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05 December 2014 @ 08:03 pm
6.09 - 'I Alone' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Sorry, got my flu shot yesterday morning, and wow, I'm obviously a person who has the side effects of being knocked totally for a loop by them because I've just been EXHAUSTED since then, like whoah! Anyhoo, here ya go!

There were two different stories going on in this episode that didn't merge which is rare for the show. We had a little in the beginning with Damon and Stefan's scenes, but once Damon joined Elena and Stefan met with "Sarah," the stories went their separate ways. And, again, that is something we don't generally see on The Vampire Diaries. So, I'm going to take each storyline separately. Let's begin with the Salvatore Imposter.

Sarah Salvatore… Not!

Well, that was a completely unexpected twist. I so was not expecting that. (Erm, thus the unexpected part of the unexpected twist.) So, I'm guessing this means we will see the real Sarah Salvatore at some point, huh? I mean, this certainly leaves the door open for her to show up, right? And, wow, Stefan, I mean, wow. Talk about totally, totally Stefan to know about a family member this whole time and even saying that Damon isn't the same person to not tell his brother. Even now. Always keeping secrets. Never telling the whole story, only what he deems necessary, the truth according to Stefan Salvatore. You know, in earlier write-ups, I would get frustrated, worried that the show didn't see Stefan as I did, worried that they did see him as this shining, perfect hero because I bought into the media perception and overall fandom's disparagement of the writing on this show, but when I stopped reading all of that stuff and just began to trust my own judgment of what I saw in the writing that the show *did* know who Stefan was, I've had no frustration on that end. And episodes like this reward my interpretation.

Because, yup, The Vampire Diaries so knows its characters. Enzo basically flat-out said what I've been saying about Stefan for some time. OK, he said it in a nasty way because Enzo doesn't like Stefan and I luff him. Stefan's no different than the rest of these vampires; he just paints himself in pretty colors. What is so interesting storyline-wise is that Enzo managed to find the one person among their group who happens to be in just the right frame of mind to listen about this one particular vampire. What consequences this will reap, I don't know, but I am intrigued.

I love my Matty blue-blue, you all know that, but he will likely always have a teeny bit of a sore spot about Stefan Salvatore until he finds his true happiness. Rational or not, Matt still has those rebound issues tucked deep, deep down with Stefan because he was the guy who Elena hooked up with when Matt was still in love with her right after she broke up with him. So unlike everyone else, Matt can see past the pretty colors. He can see just who Stefan really is. We've seen this before like in "The Departed" when he questioned how Stefan could just let Elena make her own choice even if it was a really, really stupid one as long as it continued to make Elena starry-eyed about Stefan. Matt saw that that was mattered to Stefan. So Matt's suspicion of Stefan is not coming out of nowhere, we've seen strains and hints of this scattered throughout the series, popping up whenever Matt is having vampire-issues. Sure it's been directed a few times at Damon and Enzo, but it was towards Damon before he got to know him and Enzo, well, Enzo now because Enzo welcomes it.

But more on that later, let's get back to Sarah… or should I say Monique? Like I said I was not expecting that turn of events: her turning out to be an imposter. Also, I was not expecting her to die. Damn, Enzo! Stop killing the innocent(ish) peoples!

After Stefan compelled her to forget her whole Mystic Falls experience, I thought that she'd turn out to still have vervain on her or something, but I did not expect her to be killed. No, I did not. When she did though, that led to something I *have* been expecting which is the continuing pull of Matt from the vampires. He has been barely spending any time with Caroline and Elena, the vampires that would keep him seeing them as OK. He spent all summer being mentored by Tripp and then the last month or so basically being slowly brain-washed by Tripp. And then there is Enzo who is unrepentantly a "bad" vampire and Stefan—whom I may love—but he is a hypocrite and, back to Enzo, who is the main vampire that Matt's been dealing with since Tripp took him and Matt was watching him. Enzo dear has been pointing out that hypocrisy. Plus, as little time as Matt has been spending with Caroline, she is pissed at Stefan so she's been bitching about him.

And, call me delusional, but Matt did totally hero-worship—whether he'd admit it or not—Damon and Damon was gone. He's back now, but Matt hasn't even seen him and thus hasn't been put back under his thrall yet. So the three (OK four, but Rebekah ain't coming back) vampires who would get Matt to see vamps as not so horrible are not hanging around him pretty much at all right now, so he's stuck with Enzo (hello!) and Stefan—the vampire who pretends he's better than all the other vampires, but he's really not—which at this point would just piss Matt off even more.

Going back to the finale of last season, Matt made a comment to Jeremy about how great it would to be able to live in the town without vampires and it did catch my attention. Clearly that was where they were going with the character. Matt has had so much crap happen because of the vampire-element and none of it good. He's basically lost all of his girlfriends to vampirism in his mind (Elena, Caroline, even to a degree, Rebekah). He also lost what was left of his childhood, and his shot of getting out of Mystic Falls on any sort of football scholarship went with Tanner getting killed and losing the rest of their season. And that was due to Damon, thus vampirism. He really is not fond of vampirism. The story has been leading here. And right now he's got nothing to steer him to seeing the positive because Elena and Caroline can't be around him and because he's so anti-vampire right now, he's not really making much of an effort to see them.

But, but, but… there's Bonnie. I think Bonnie is the key. Or rather the glue. Liv, who is not a vampire wanted to go and help vampires (and leave the house). Tyler wanted her to stay. Matt sided with Liv—coincidentally on the side of the vampires. For Bonnie. And that was stated unequivocally. "It's for Bonnie." Which makes me wonder if, yeah, Bonnie will be the one who brings Matt back into the fold, if Bonnie is going to be the bridge between the vampires and the non-vampires because right now Matt and Jeremy and Tyler—with what he just did (Elena was *really* pissed off at him)—seem to be on opposite sides of the vampires. And now we have Matt pushing Jeremy to be all Hunter again and go after Enzo, which will upset Caroline. Uh huh.

So Bonnie… Bonnie is needed. Bonnie is missed.

Bonnie Bennett Come Home!

My heart just broke for Bonnie at the end. I've watched that final scene with her a few times and each time, I find myself nearly crying along with her. As she runs up to the house, onto the porch, opening the door, looking around, first she has hope, and then realization and then stoic, smiling acceptance because that is Bonnie. And then she just loses it because she's all alone. Completely alone again. This time she doesn't even have Damon who once upon a time was so not her favorite person, or psycho Kai who played nice. Nope, once again she's all on her own like she was when she was stuck on the Other Side without another soul. Gah, poor Bonnie.

And of course it's even worse because for the first time in nearly five months she had true, genuine hope without any reservations. No questions, no evil stranger to outwit, outlast and outplay, just her best friend since childhood and her new bestie waiting for her at the end of a long drive. But when she got there, they weren't there, and unlike Jeremy, she had believed it would happen. Oh, Bonnie.

And, oh, Jeremy. I totally get where he's coming from. I absolutely do. After his four months of falling apart, listening to Bonnie's voice mail and railing against her, getting drunk, and basically being a mess, he'd taken Damon's words to heart that Bonnie was at peace and was finally pulling himself together. And then Elena gave him hope. But without the actuality of Bonnie there already, the deed done, he didn't want the hope… not anymore because too many times he'd been let down, too many times he'd lost the people he loved. Too many times he'd lost Bonnie herself. So I get why Jeremy was upset. It's why Damon hadn't wanted to tell Elena in the first place himself in case they weren't able to bring Bonnie back, and why Damon hadn't told Jeremy himself once he knew. But of course Elena is Elena and she believed and she couldn't look at her brother and not tell him, just like she had to confirm it to Caroline when she overheard.

Still, with that said, Jeremy continues to totally act his age in being all about himself. Like with Alaric when he seemed to forget that he wasn't the only one who'd lost out, he's acting like just because Damon is back, that everything is fine and dandy in Elena-land. It is not. Elena did lose Damon just as Jeremy lost Bonnie. And she has him back now, but there are obviously extenuating circumstances that may keep her from ever actually having Damon back the way she did before. Her fault, but still it happened, and she can't do take-backs at this point. And Jeremy is so full of his own pain that he is showing zero empathy for anyone else. I'm not blaming him at all. I completely get it; I do. I'm just saying… there it is. And Elena obviously gets it too.

And she's getting Damon too. She's so not there all the way yet—not even close—but she's getting there. I mentioned in the write-up for "Do You Remember The First Time?" that it felt a little bit like Elena had her switch turned off in some of those moments with Damon. I wrote then that it was as if there were "moments here and there before Damon would break through and wrest some response from her that her heart, her body instinctively remembered before her blanked memories and thus her switched off-head took control." I felt some of that in this episode too. And I thought that again it made sense. There weren't as many, but it was just here and there, like she's beginning to feel things and then the "facts" of who he really is snap back and there's a quick shut down.

But mostly we just got Elena acting as Elena with him, getting to know him as he is now. And what was nice is that we got to see them get in that groove together without the specter of her feelings for Stefan hanging over them. In the past whenever Damon and Elena would hang out—like during season 03 whenever they spent any time together—there was always the shadow of Stefan. Well, that shadow is gone now. Now it's just Damon and Elena. And Elena knows that every moment she spends with him, his hope is that she'll fall in love with him all over again and that they'll get back to what they once had. That isn't a secret. And he knows that she's willingly spending these moments with him, allowing herself the opportunity *to* fall in love with him all over again. They're in this together even if he's already there.

Meaning that we are once more back to (almost) true and open lines of communication between these two. She feels safe and confident enough to push him to find out the truth when she sees through his (obvious) deflections. And then she tells him what she thinks is going on (that he pulled out all the stops—compelling Alaric—just to impress her and make her fall in love with him again). And then just as honestly Damon tells her the truth about him being there for Bonnie and not her. He opened up about himself and about his friendship with Bonnie, allowing himself to be vulnerable.

However, there's that (almost) bit above. He did slide a bit about the 1994 stuff with Gail and killing a pregnant woman and (he believes) his unborn niece. But I can understand why he didn't go into detail there. He did give her the broad outline of what he did, and he didn't lie that he did something really bad, just no specifics. And, again, I get why… because she already knows so much bad about him, does he really want to give her more ammunition at this point? Of course not. He's trying to make headway, not send her away.

And he is making headway. Right before Liv pulled them back into 2012 an hour early, Damon had begun to make some serious headway. Telling her in that soft voice that they would make new memories, his hand on her face, caressing her cheek. Elena was all lost in his gaze, accepting his touch. And he had that look on his face, he so was gonna go for a kiss and the look on her face, I'm not so sure that she wouldn't have been all for it… but then the air shifted and the white light struck and the mood was definitely broken.

 

Damnit, Liv. Or rather, damnit Kai! Why don't you give us another reason to take issue with you, why don't you?! Kai, Kai, Kai! This guy is gonna cause some serious problems, isn't he? Uh huh. But quick question… they were right next to the border, why did they have to pull Damon and Elena out then? Why couldn't they have just gone to Tyler's house, waited out the hour and then brought back Damon and Elena? I mean, it's not like Kai could have found them and/or used the magic there, right? Hmm, kinda easy quick fix there. I understand Elena's anger. It's like once again Liv is helping them until *she's* in danger and then someone else comes in and puts her life above the others who are at risk, leaving the others high and dry. And in this case, it's not her twin—understandable, but freaking Tyler. Yeah, I totally get Elena's anger. She's really tired of those that she loves getting shafted for Liv's safety… especially when Liv has tried to kill her a few times, ya know?

And I get why Damon and Elena were just sitting there at Bonnie's tombstone, commiserating over the fact that they were *so* close to getting her back, but yeah, it would have been smarter to go somewhere not just out in the open since they knew that Kai was there in 2012 and with magic. But, then, on the other hand, how exactly did Kai know how to find them or was he just wandering around aimlessly… or was he tracking Liv and had followed her there about ten minutes behind? I dunno. Very plot-pointy. Not the bestest… but hey, Brian Young *did* co-write this episode. Yeah. Brian Young.

So Kai showed up, destroyed the ascendant and Damon, despite knowing that Kai had magic, tried to fight him and got his ass kicked until Damon sent him into the no-magic zone. Fun. Hmm, OK, then. Moving on and let's go back to the beginning here with Damon and Elena where I said that she's getting Damon because after Alaric showed up, she was there for him. And I think that was honestly my favorite moment with them. Even more than the whipped cream fangs. (You didn't think I was going to forget that, did you? More on those later.)

Ah, Alaric. I really hope this is leading to a cathartic conversation of some sorts between Ric and Damon because they really need it, I think. Firstly, let me say that I understand why Ric was mad at Damon. I said after the last episode that I understood why Damon compelled Alaric to get the ascendant from Jo because Bonnie over Jo no question, and hey, Ric took Elena's memories of loving Damon, fair is fair. What I didn't realize when I wrote that was how much deeper that actually goes with these two. Because more than anger what Ric was feeling was betrayed, but going back to it, that is exactly what Damon felt. When he found out that Ric had compelled away Elena's memories of her love for Damon, Damon felt betrayed by Ric, that his best friend could do that to him. Again, let me repeat as I've said often in the past, I absolutely get why Ric did it. He absolutely believed that Damon was dead, gone forever and he was not only thinking of what was best for Elena, but that Damon would want him to do this for Elena because it was what was best for Elena. However, since Damon wasn't dead, Damon can't help but feel that Ric betrayed him by doing it. He just can't help it because, damnit, Ric should have known! He came back from the dead after all! It can happen! He shouldn't have given up so soon.

So I'm hoping we're going to see a conversation between the two where that betrayal both feel now is discussed. They've been through a lot as friends with *a lot* put on that friendship going back to what Esther did and the consequences of that. A real conversation is rather due. Maybe we are heading there, maybe that was even partially the point of the compelling of Ric to get the ascendant because it obviously wasn't to bring Bonnie back! What it did do was set up dual, understandable, emotional betrayals on both ends. We'll see. I really don't want it to have just been a way to make Damon the bad guy and absolve Ric for what he did. I want it to be a way to put them on equal ground and get them to a better, healthier place. I really hope so because Damon and Ric need to repair this relationship and part of that reparation needs to be in Damon knowing that Ric feels truly bad for his part in erasing Elena's memories. Because once again we had Damon at the end there taking all the blame on himself for all that went wrong. He took every hit from Ric. He was recounting every step Bonnie was taking, feeling as much of her pain and loss as he could fathom and blaming himself for them not being there and for giving her false hope.

But, and this is why it was my favorite Damon and Elena moment, he wasn't alone. Elena was there with him, listening to his pain, sharing it with him. She put her hand on his shoulder, squeezing tightly, offering comfort, silently letting him know he wasn't alone, that he wasn't in this alone. She was there with him… for him. And instead of keeping his back to her, he turned *to* her.

 

All of these things, Elena being effected by Damon, Elena listening to Damon, turning to him, being there for him, Elena believing him, believing in him, etc. all happened before when she fell for him, but they happened over an extended period of time. Now they are happening at an accelerated pace because, of course, she's already in love with him, those feelings are just locked behind mental barriers. And this is what we wanted, to see her fall in fast-forward without Stefan as part of the equation. And that's what we're getting.
OK, then, time for randoms –

- I liked the callbacks. Damon mentioning that if Stefan doesn't deal with stuff he'll wind up lying on the middle of the road having an existential crisis, calling back to that awesome scene from "The Descent." Plus, Lucy Bennett reference! Aww, I loved Lucy. Nice to know that they can just call her up and get help from her if needed.

- Hmm, was that Liv and Tyler's first kiss? Or did they have their first kiss off-screen? And what does it say that I'm not sure?! Not cool, show. So not cool! Uhm, and did they decide to become an actual, for-reals couple off-screen? That's so not cool. We should have had another episode dealing with this couple stuff, damnit! That couch scene was not enough. Still, kissy-face! And, ooh, I loved her little cute wave goodbye to him and how he looked so smitten.

 
 

- So, now Damon and Elena are discussing Stefan and Caroline. OK, then. Man, Stefan and Caroline sure are water-cooler conversation, aren't they?

- OMG! Elena stopping Damon from eating his pancakes so she could put the whipped cream fangs on the blueberries just like he did. OMGx2!! And then, and then, and then, his delighted reaction was just adorbs!! He just looked at her like he was so, so, so in love. Awww!

 

- I loved Kai remarking on the irony of Olivia's nickname of "Liv."

- I like that we had the dialogue of Kai explaining that their dad had erased all memory of him because I was thinking that I knew she was a kid when she last saw him, but how could she not recognize him at all? So that was good and it was done very organically. I especially loved the mention of the turkey hand. Bwahahahaha. Chris Wood as Kai is just so fantastically good.

- Who didn't see the cab driver's murder coming?

- I guess I can buy Caroline vacationing with her mom since she didn't know they were going after Bonnie right then, but you'd just figure that she'd be all searching for a way to find her. Hmm, I guess she could do that from anywhere, even on vacation.

- Yeah, I'm not even remotely for Caroline and Enzo, but I did love his line about her being the one girl who there was nothing wrong with. Aww!

- How bad-ass do Damon and Elena look in my icon?

- Man, Bonnie's middle name is Sheila! Did we know that? I think we knew that, but it still gets me every time I see it.

- I'm glad that Damon made it clear that he was doing this for Bonnie and not Elena. I'm sure that people will question that, but remember Elena came to him, not the other way around, Damon didn't even tell her about all that was going on. It was Alaric who did. Damon didn't go to her, she came to him and wanted to tag along. So there.

- Speaking of Damon and Bonnie, I loved, loved, loved Damon threatening Kai about hurting Bonnie and then Bonnie's "That was so sweet. Why'd you have to ruin it by calling me annoying?" I can't wait until everyone sees how Damon and Bonnie are friends. I just can't even wait!

I was feeling a bit eh so that may have affected my viewing of the episode, but I thought this one was the weakest of the season, still very good. I'm looking forward to next week, though, mid-season finale, very exciting!!
 
 
 
Alisha: SoM Dancekalishaka on December 6th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC)
My Thoughts - Part One
This episode is definitely the weakest of the season for me. Everyone just felt a little off, like I couldn't connect to them. I feel like I missed an episode. Tyler and Liv were adorable, but I don't know when their relationship changed. Sarah Salvatore/Monique...Oh well that is an interesting twist, but why is Enzo so fascinated, why were they in the same place as Enzo. Why was Alaric having a super awkward date? How did Damon know? How is Kai already in the present day strangling cab drivers. Now, I mean, I can explain most of these things to myself, and off screen time is a legitimate story telling mechanism, but it's like every storyline in this episode required me to just make that leap. And it left me feeling really awkward and disconnected from the story as a whole.

There were some lovely notes with the Damon/Elena relationship and the Damon and Bonnie relationship. Elena putting on the whip cream fangs. The way she stood behind him when Alaric confronted him. They were wonderful moments that told a lot about who these two were to each other and who they still are to each other even when Elena doesn't fully know. And there is something so beautiful about Damon not explaining these moments to her. How he just is letting this relationship come back to him, because he knows she will come back to him. And even their confrontation, where Elena accuses him of hurting Alaric to woo her, and how he responds later with actual conversation, explaining what Bonnie means to him. The number of people who mattered to Damon, for the sake of Damon, have always been significantly small. And while there is an argument to be made that Damon cares about people outside of a need to appease Elena (ie Alaric, Liz) for the most part this storyline with Bonnie is the first time we are getting to see Damon act out for someone else in ways he only really has for Stefan and Elena previously. And Bonnie's reaction when he answers the phone, is so very telling. She knew he was coming for her. Ugh. I am overwhelmed by their friendship.

And UGH! I sobbed with Bonnie at the end. Everything about that scene was so perfectly Bonnie. The joy, the slow fear, the realization, the grin and bear it sacrifice, and then just the break down. I have a new favorite character in this series, it is Bonnie Bennett. I did not even know I could love a character this much. Kat blows my mind constantly.

Liv and Tyler were perfectly wonderfully adorable. I love them.

Kai continues to be an amazing villain. I think the beauty of it is just how human he is. Sure, he is still supernatural and can siphon magic, but the inherent creepiness and horror of Kai, comes solely from his humanity. And honestly, I feared less for Mystic Falls when it was literally crawling with vampires, originals, and hybrids. Also, I was initially bothered that Liv didn't recognize him and then really intrigued by how the show quickly explained it.


Arabian: Liv & Tyler01arabian on December 8th, 2014 05:42 am (UTC)
Re: My Thoughts - Part One
This episode is definitely the weakest of the season for me. Everyone just felt a little off, like I couldn't connect to them.

Well, Brian Young does have an issue with connecting from point A to point B, but I don't think it was as bad as you did actually. For instance, Enzo being where they were, that's clearly Enzo's hang-out spot. We've seen them there several times this season (well, as much as we've seen him). That's where the guy chills since he can't chill at the Mystic Grill. It's just that we simply aren't used to this place (as we are the Grill) so just seeing him there casually doesn't quite feel normal yet.

As for Alaric, I didn't think that was a super awkward date at all. He's already been invited back to Jo's place. I'm not sure why these two have such an accelerated relationship, but clearly they do. I mean, she'd already had him there and was casually stripping in front of him. She's saved his life, they've told each other super-duper-duper secrets about one another. And Damon knowing, that didn't strike me as odd at all. Damon and Ric *are* best friends, why wouldn't Damon know that Ric is having sexytiems with his special lady friend instead of hanging out with his BFF? That's a perfectly normal thing that would come up in conversation. "Hey, Ric you wanna hang out or you gonna be with your lady doctor?" And, yeah, Damon would totally push that avenue and plug in 'oh, btw, find out where the ascendant is.' As for Kai, well, as soon as he got the ascendant and blood from Bonnie, I expected him to be in 2012 the next time we saw him. He told her he had everything he needed, so he just had to do get back to Mystic Falls and wait for the eclipse and then boom! he would go back.

So, none of that stuff required any on-screen storytelling. It was just the Liv and Tyler stuff where I felt like we missed out. When did they decide to become a couple? If they were going there (which we all knew was coming) that first kiss should have been on the couch in that last scene in the previous episode. Harumph!

They were wonderful moments that told a lot about who these two were to each other and who they still are to each other even when Elena doesn't fully know. And there is something so beautiful about Damon not explaining these moments to her. How he just is letting this relationship come back to him, because he knows she will come back to him.

Yup, yup, yup.

this storyline with Bonnie is the first time we are getting to see Damon act out for someone else in ways he only really has for Stefan and Elena previously.

I agree.

And UGH! I sobbed with Bonnie at the end. Everything about that scene was so perfectly Bonnie. The joy, the slow fear, the realization, the grin and bear it sacrifice, and then just the break down.

This, this, this. (Although as much as I love Bonnie, Damon, Elena, Stefan and Caroline are still my faves. Bonnie has jumped ahead of Matt and Alaric though.)

Liv and Tyler were perfectly wonderfully adorable. I love them.

Agreed, but, yeah, their first ACKNOWLEDGED, OBVIOUS first kiss should have been in that last scene in the previous episode. {POUTS}

Kai continues to be an amazing villain. I think the beauty of it is just how human he is. Sure, he is still supernatural and can siphon magic, but the inherent creepiness and horror of Kai, comes solely from his humanity. And honestly, I feared less for Mystic Falls when it was literally crawling with vampires, originals, and hybrids. Also, I was initially bothered that Liv didn't recognize him and then really intrigued by how the show quickly explained it.

All of this. Yes.

Edited at 2014-12-08 11:17 am (UTC)
Alisha: SoM Dancekalishaka on December 6th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC)
My Thoughts - Part Two
I am intrigued by where Matt's story is being taken. I enjoy that he is recruiting Jeremy for the ride. I really like that Matt/Jeremy/Tyler all have working stories in Mystic Falls that are separate from yes still connected to the world outside. And I like that the show has embraced it's giant ensemble cast and is really working with it. (Not that they don't normally, but I'm so used to someone taking an extended break that this is really refreshing.)

I just, I'm glad the show is addressing the faults of Stefan. I like that they are making this a real thing to be explored. I am enjoying the vehicle they are using for it. At the same time, meh. I think Enzo and Stefan and Matt just didn't play well enough off of each other in this episode to make me care. And while Monique's death was a shock for me, the moment Enzo showed, I knew it was headed there. And I knew Stefan wasn't going to save her. One thing I just thought about though is how much Stefan's choice to let Monique die to save the secret of Sarah parallel's Damon's choice to betray Alaric to try and save Bonnie. Not entirely sure if it was completely intentional but I really like what that potentially says for the Salvatore brothers because the differences between them without the rose tinted Elena love goggles have diminished substantially over the past couple seasons.

This episode had a lot of little character moments, acting choices, and future potential that pleased me. But at the same time, the episode as a whole was incredibly weak. It felt really lackluster. And more like an attempt to hold things still while also trying to push them forward. It was just really awkward for me as a viewer. (It might be an episode that plays better without pauses/breaks though.)

Hah. Sorry had to split this into two posts. Been a while since I went over character limits. (Weird that is happens with an episode I didn't even like that much.)

Edited at 2014-12-06 02:03 am (UTC)
Arabian: Matt02arabian on December 8th, 2014 06:00 am (UTC)
Re: My Thoughts - Part Two
I am intrigued by where Matt's story is being taken.

Me too.

I like that the show has embraced its giant ensemble cast and is really working with it. (Not that they don't normally, but I'm so used to someone taking an extended break that this is really refreshing.)

Agreed; it feels very organic how everyone is involved and the at-odds-ness of it all makes perfect sense with the history and especially what's been happening lately, and that distance I wrote of in my post between Matt and the vampires--which applies to Jeremy as well actually.

I just, I'm glad the show is addressing the faults of Stefan. I like that they are making this a real thing to be explored. I am enjoying the vehicle they are using for it.

Me too.

At the same time, meh. I think Enzo and Stefan and Matt just didn't play well enough off of each other in this episode to make me care.

I can't entirely disagree with this. I don't think that Malarkey is the strongest actor and Paul Wesley just doesn't strike chemistry-wise against too many actors so that kinda left Zach Roerig (who generally does) holding the heavy baggage.

And while Monique's death was a shock for me, the moment Enzo showed, I knew it was headed there.

Since he'd killed Ivy like that, I wasn't sure they'd repeat themselves, so I wasn't completely sure they'd do it again.

One thing I just thought about though is how much Stefan's choice to let Monique die to save the secret of Sarah parallel's Damon's choice to betray Alaric to try and save Bonnie.

What do you think it says?

I really like what that potentially says for the Salvatore brothers because the differences between them without the rose tinted Elena love goggles have diminished substantially over the past couple seasons.

Again, what do you think it says, because I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

It was just really awkward for me as a viewer.

I didn't think it was awkward, but rather that it just was kinda... there.

Sorry had to split this into two posts.

Never a problem.

(Weird that is happens with an episode I didn't even like that much.)

Not weird at all, higher comment counts generally come to controversial and/or unpopular episodes.
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on December 6th, 2014 04:27 am (UTC)
I don't think I'd call this episode weak, but it was pretty quiet. Not a lot actually happened, aside from Kai escaping his prison and running loose in Mystic Falls. It was more for building the characters and their interactions than anything else. And hey, I'm still feeling surprisingly good about Tyler, so it must be doing something right. ;)
Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on December 8th, 2014 06:29 am (UTC)
I don't think I'd call this episode weak, but it was pretty quiet.

I didn't say it was weak, just the weakest of the season. I didn't think it was weak, just for me that it kinda sat there.

running loose in Mystic Falls.

Well, he ran loose in Whitmore (or wherever Whitmore College is, LOL!).

It was more for building the characters and their interactions than anything else. And hey, I'm still feeling surprisingly good about Tyler, so it must be doing something right. ;)

I agree on all these points, but like I said, it wasn't weak or bad, it was very good, just, the weakest out of a terrifically awesome season so far.
(Anonymous) on December 6th, 2014 02:35 pm (UTC)
Part 1 (I'm pretty sure i'll break characters limit)
Thank you for this post, i've been waiting for it very much! Hope your flu-shot side effects will diminish quickly.
Also - sorry if my english wouldn't be as good as i'd want. lol

/So, I'm guessing this means we will see the real Sarah Salvatore at some point, huh? I mean, this certainly leaves the door open for her to show up, right? /

Yeah, I think we'll meet real Sarah, otherwise introducing this fraud girl was pointless - if it was for the whole Damon-killing-pregnant-lady reveal - well they didn't need "Sarah" in present time and a flashback from the hospital for that. So i think the real Sarah will be introduced - furthermore Stefan knows where she is and so i think it'll be a new conflict/growth opportunity for Damon maybe, cuz he feels horribly guilty about what he did and Stefan may be has no idea about that and so didn't tell him that the child's survived.


/Enzo basically flat-out said what I've been saying about Stefan for some time. OK, he said it in a nasty way because Enzo doesn't like Stefan and I luff him. Stefan's no different than the rest of these vampires; he just paints himself in pretty colors. /


What Enzo said was what I was thinking about Stefan for a long time and I really want to believe the writers meant for it to be noted by the audience. but but but They make Enzo the antagonist - he's obviously not a good guy and treated as such, he's also responsible for killing two innocent women in a row just for kicks, so I doubt the writers meant for the viewers to side with Enzo and take his words about Stefan seriously. Also the fact that they juxtaposed Enzo's anti-Stefan speech with the reveal that Stefan knew about Sarah, and CARED, and he WAS LOOKING AFTER HER all those years, so he was basically a GOOD guy and again - he didn't kill Monique, he cared about her life as opposed to Enzo who obviously doesn't give a damn about human lives.

So I think may be the whole Enzo speech was supposed to be negated by Stefan's goodness and humanity and proof that he cares about people etc? For me it looked like they only confirmed that Stefan IS different, BETTER from other vampires - i e Enzo, typical evil and violent vampire. The fact that Stefan didn't tell Damon about Sarah - well, may be there wasn't a right moment - in S1-3 they weren't on a good terms, S4-5 the whole Elena-thing was on the forefront of their relationships and then Damon died and may be now Stefan was too distracted by Caroline-problems an Damon-Elena problems and now Bonnie rescue, so may be we're not supposed to see this as a bad thing about Stefan after all. IDK. What writers mean for the audience to think of Stefan was always a mystery to me - cuz what I personally think were never stated clearly enough in canon to be indisputable.

His Ripperness is still treated as his personal curse/disease that has nothing to do with who Stefan is as a person - and i disagree with that so much! But alas no one except Damon has ever stated that Stefan's blood-issues stem from his inability to accept himself as a vampire and having dark parts of personality. And his ripperness was kinda forgotten at all after S5 and the whole "nature VS nurture" question which wasn't answered - or rather confirmed that his blood-problems were present on some gene-level because even amnesiac Stefan had ripper-tendencies and so Stefan IS a victim here. So again idk, hope you are right in your interpretation.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on December 8th, 2014 10:19 am (UTC)
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Thank you for this post, i've been waiting for it very much! Hope your flu-shot side effects will diminish quickly.

Also - sorry if my english wouldn't be as good as i'd want. lol


I'm much better now, and hey, your English is way better than my any other language, so kudos to you!

Yeah, I think we'll meet real Sarah, otherwise introducing this fraud girl was pointless

Exactly, and I was saying to florencia7 below that perhaps this might help ease Damon's conscience just a teeny, tiny bit to know that he didn't actually kill his unborn great, great, great xwhatever niece.

So i think the real Sarah will be introduced - furthermore Stefan knows where she is and so i think it'll be a new conflict/growth opportunity for Damon maybe, cuz he feels horribly guilty about what he did and Stefan may be has no idea about that and so didn't tell him that the child's survived.

Right, Stefan knows that Damon feels some guilt, but he doesn't REALLY know just how deep the layers of Damon's guilt go, so this could be yet another thing that could help with Stefan understanding his brother better.

What Enzo said was what I was thinking about Stefan for a long time and I really want to believe the writers meant for it to be noted by the audience. but but but They make Enzo the antagonist - he's obviously not a good guy and treated as such

That's not true, he's a morally dark grey character, but I don't think he's a bad guy. We've been given Enzo's side of things too many times for that. Enzo has done some bad things, but then they all have. Plus, Damon hurt Enzo, Caroline has befriended Enzo. Enzo was betrayed by Damon, and tortured by the Augustines for another 60 years. We had an entire episode devoted to Enzo's pain over the girl he loved. Enzo was basically betrayed by Stefan this season. Enzo also recently spent the last four and half months looking for Damon when everyone else had given up. Enzo defended Caroline when Stefan hurt her and comforted her. Damon refused to let himself be saved before Enzo when they were over the Mystic Falls border.

he's also responsible for killing two innocent women in a row just for kicks

Again, not true. He "killed" Ivy to punish Stefan for giving up on Damon and for hurting Caroline so terribly and in Enzo's mind, he hadn't killed/killed Ivy since he'd given her his blood. As for "Sarah," in his mind, he didn't kill her, Stefan did because it was on Stefan. Stefan made the decision. Enzo told Stefan 'Tell the truth or save this girl, you make the decision' and Stefan didn't tell the truth. That is how it was framed. You've got to put yourself in the character's shoes and remember that NONE OF OUR VAMPIRES are good guys really, none of them. Even Elena and Caroline have killed innocents.

so I doubt the writers meant for the viewers to side with Enzo and take his words about Stefan seriously.

Oh, they ABSOLUTELY expected some viewers too. They are well aware that there are some Stefan lovers and some Stefan haters, and viewers like me who love both and some viewers who just take it all and realize these are morally gray characters. Only die-hard Stefan lovers who hate Enzo or die-hard Stefan haters will see it as black and white.

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(Anonymous) on December 6th, 2014 03:48 pm (UTC)
Part 2
/And what was nice is that we got to see them get in that groove together without the specter of her feelings for Stefan hanging over them./

Yes, absolutely! It's like Elena got a clean slate with Damon - no more Stefan-shaped guilt and be-like-Katherine-fear and so it's just Damon and her. And i liked how she clarified FOR Damon that she's Ok with potential Stefan/Caroline romance, because she wants them both to be happy (and she does not have any romantic feelings for Stefan anymore, whatever you're thinking, Damon!)

/And then she tells him what she thinks is going on (that he pulled out all the stops—compelling Alaric—just to impress her and make her fall in love with him again)./

I'm sorry if I sound stupid and don't see obvious things, but I don't have clear interpretation of Elena's behaviour here. Half of Tumblr calls her self-centered/egotistical and well i'm not interested in those kind of conclusion. So I think maybe Jeremy's words from earlier about her trusting Damon too easily were in the back of her mind - not to mention that she only remembers bad about Damon. And now he just proved to her that she shouldn't have trusted him so easily, shouldn't have started to like him and open up to the possibility of knowing him again and having some kind of relationships with him at all. So she's mad he did bad things and what I don't get is why she concludes he did it to impress her?

I mean - he was already working on bringing Bonnie back even before Elena knew Bonnie was alive. And it was Elena who asked Damon for help and did she thought if she didn't ask he wouldn't have tried to save Bonnie? Or she thought it was to win her back because she kinda linked Bonnie to a future of their potential relationships when asking Damon for help? Or she was just pissed - both at herself and Damon - and just poked him in his sore spot - his desire for her to love him again? What i want to determine is if Elena really thought Damon was using Bonnie as a way to earn good points? Or she was just hurting him back after his deeds hurted her (i think she felt stupid and naive, like - what was i thinking? How could I let myself like him?)?


/ Firstly, let me say that I understand why Ric was mad at Damon./


Yeah I get that too and i even felt like Ric was more upset that Damon betrayed his trust then that he put Jo at risk. Buuut - really Ric? Your brand-new girlfriend has you, Luke and Liv with magic, Stefan, Damon, Elena, Caroline in her defeat-Kai team. Not to mention MF anti-magic spell that leaves Kai just a human psychopath who can be easily killed by any vampire from MF-gang. But Bonnie had NO ONE on her side! She was ALONE trapped with maniac killer who cuts out his sister's spleen! And what OTHER WAY to save Bonnie that doesn't involve going back in 94-prison there was? There is one way out from there and the only way to make sure Kai will never get out and meet Jo again - was to just leave Bonnie there forever. And though I get that Ric has some tingly-feelings for another sexy-doctor - he's supposed to be an adult, a guardian figure - and it was ok with him to keep looking for some "other way" however long it takes while Bonnie is exposed to all kinds of threats - from being tortured to being killed. Sorry but Alaric was just hiding from reality - in best Stefan-fashion - not ready to make a tough call. So I wasn't really on Alaric's side - especially when Damon took the fault for Kai getting out, when it wasn't his fault.

Oh, been meaning to ask you about your post-S5 finale prediction that Caroline/Matt will be revisited somehow, based on pretty picture of Care in Matt's phone contact list - do you still think it might happen? And i find Matt's struggle with pro-/anti-vampire worldview quite interesting, it will lead to such juicy character conflicts!
Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on December 8th, 2014 10:56 am (UTC)
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It's like Elena got a clean slate with Damon - no more Stefan-shaped guilt and be-like-Katherine-fear and so it's just Damon and her.

Exactly! And that is what's really great about what we're getting right now.

And i liked how she clarified FOR Damon that she's Ok with potential Stefan/Caroline romance, because she wants them both to be happy (and she does not have any romantic feelings for Stefan anymore, whatever you're thinking, Damon!)

Yup, yup, yup.

Half of Tumblr calls her self-centered/egotistical

Ugh, I loathe Tumblr for this very reason. I pretty much ignore it except to read the anti-Stelena tag because it's amusing, but I don't read any of the other TVD-related tags because it's just non-stop negativity and bashing of Elena, Damon, the writers, this, that, whatever your ship is not, let's insult. This show is SO much better than it's audience deserves, I swear. And Elena is such a more awesome anti-heroine than it's audience deserves that's for damn fucking sure, excuse my French!

I think maybe Jeremy's words from earlier about her trusting Damon too easily were in the back of her mind

Nope.

not to mention that she only remembers bad about Damon

Bingo. She only remembers the bad about Damon. I swear people keep forgetting this. Right now Elena is battling between these two realities. Everything AWFUL that Damon Salvatore did in the last two and half years (the show's canon timeline) and he's done a LOT of awful without the good to mitigate it, versus this sweet, funny awesome guy standing before her + the fact that she definitively knows in her own words and from those she knows and loves that he was her soulmate, Ric's best friend, and a huge part of the gang that everyone followed his lead. And she can feel it in her body that she instinctively reacts to him, feels towards him before her mind shuts that down because she doesn't remember. So it's confusing as hell, and when you're in a confusing situation you go with what you KNOW and what she KNOWS is that Damon Salvatore does bad things and is selfish. So when this situation presented itself, she went with what she knew, Damon did a bad thing and it was for a selfish reason.

TBC

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Frust-sheep: sheep: christmas with teddy-snow-anifrust_sheep on December 6th, 2014 07:17 pm (UTC)
First I really like your icon and of course your episode essay again. :D
And second, again I have so much to agree with you. *lol*
Just some examples: Poor, poor Bonnie. :( The pancake scene was adorable. :D The Liv/Tyler kiss, too.....
And yep, I have to say, that I really enjoy Kai as the baddy. *LOL*
Anyway I'm so excited and can not wait for the next epi. Why is not Thursday already. *lol* ;D


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Arabian: arabian Christmas (By Florenica7)arabian on December 8th, 2014 11:12 am (UTC)
First I really like your icon and of course your episode essay again. :D

Thank you. :)

And second, again I have so much to agree with you. *lol*

Cool.

Just some examples: Poor, poor Bonnie. :( The pancake scene was adorable. :D The Liv/Tyler kiss, too.....

Uh huh!

And yep, I have to say, that I really enjoy Kai as the baddy. *LOL*

He's so good!

Anyway I'm so excited and can not wait for the next epi. Why is not Thursday already. *lol* ;D

I KNOW!
(Anonymous) on December 7th, 2014 03:10 pm (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the wright-up, it's great as always!

I want to ask you as a Stefan-expert. lol I have a hard time understanding his character but your posts usually make everything clearer. So - can you explain Stefan's refusal to tell Damon about Sarah? Why he thinks Damon not knowing is safer? I don't want to assume he believes Damon will kill her or smth. (Although I admit after S5 when Damon went off the rails and Aaron ended up dead - may be Stefan does not trust Damon because of that?)
And i assume Stefan doesn't think Damon feels guilt for killing all those people and Gail with baby. Because if he did he would've told Damon the baby survived, right? I mean how many times Damon kept something from/ did something for Stefan to spare him from feeling guilt! It's S6 and Stefan still doesn't understand his brother much? Even Bonnie - not a big Damon fan - realized he feels remorse even if he was covering that up and denying it.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan03arabian on December 8th, 2014 11:11 am (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the wright-up, it's great as always!

Thank you. :)

I want to ask you as a Stefan-expert. lol

Hehehe, I'm a Stefan-expert.

I have a hard time understanding his character but your posts usually make everything clearer.

Thank you.

So - can you explain Stefan's refusal to tell Damon about Sarah?

No problem. I actually talked about this already in a few comments. Damon is better now, but Damon has been better before... and then he goes off the deep end, so Stefan just doesn't trust that Damon won't go off the deep end again, and I can understand why he feels that.

How many times has Damon seemed to be better? Think of 1912, tweaked at Stefan at first, but got over it quickly and they're enjoying brotherly bonding sessions at boxing matches, and then whoopsie, Stefan has a bad and Damon turned his back on him and was gone in a flash. Then we have 1942. Damon was all smiles when he saw Stefan, ready to rush off and join him in brotherly camaraderie and join the war by his side. Then he abandoned him without a word and Stefan didn't see him again until 1994. Oh, and between then he heard nothing but how horrible Damon had been. He comes back all conciliatory and a week later, attacks the boarding house full of people including a pregnant woman carrying his own flesh and blood. Now take present day, how many times has Damon seemed better before he takes two, three, five steps back? And you ask why he hasn't told Damon? Aside from Damon, Zach and Sarah are his only living family members and, oh wait, that's right, Damon killed Zach. Which leaves Sarah--who Damon actually believes he already killed... when she was in her mother's womb! Again, you ask why he hasn't told Damon?

We love Damon, we adore Damon... but Stefan, Jeremy, Caroline, Matt, the others have legitimate reasons for having issues with him. And, remember, they haven't seen the softer side of Damon that we (and Elena, and not even Alaric, and even Bonnie more more than before) have.

I don't want to assume he believes Damon will kill her or smth. (Although I admit after S5 when Damon went off the rails and Aaron ended up dead - may be Stefan does not trust Damon because of that?)

And in 2009, 2010, 1994, 1977, 1942... yeah. Stefan has his reasons. He loves his brother and wants to believe, but Damon, well, Damon has his issues. Maybe when Damon can stay on an even keel longer than a couple of years, Stefan will have more faith in his brother.

And i assume Stefan doesn't think Damon feels guilt for killing all those people and Gail with baby.

Stefan knows that Damon feels some guilt about these things, but he doesn't REALLY know just how deep the layers of Damon's guilt go, so this could be yet another thing that could help with Stefan understanding his brother better.

Because if he did he would've told Damon the baby survived, right?

No, see paragraphs above. Just because Damon feels guilt doesn't stop him from going off on a tear when his woobie soul gets wounded.

I mean how many times Damon kept something from/ did something for Stefan to spare him from feeling guilt! It's S6 and Stefan still doesn't understand his brother much? Even Bonnie - not a big Damon fan - realized he feels remorse even if he was covering that up and denying it.

And it took MONTHS before Bonnie realized this about Damon after basically being alone with just him. And Elena is still figuring it about him. Alaric doesn't get so much about Damon. Damon keeps himself so close to his chest, keeping him vulnerability very carefully hidden, even from those he is closest to. Stefan knows Damon better than most, but Damon makes it hard.
Florenciaflorencia7 on December 7th, 2014 05:22 pm (UTC)
part I
OH I'm sorry about the flu shot having affected you that much *HUGS* I hope you're feeling totally well again by now! ♥ ♥ ♥

”I mean, this certainly leaves the door open for her to show up, right?” - I just can't figure out Sarah's purpose and that makes me wonder... do you think we'll just need a human Salvatore (in relation to a spell or something like that) at some point and that's the reason for introducing the character?

”And, wow, Stefan, I mean, wow.” - I ranted about that to a friend and her reply was: “Stefan is Stefan. BIG shock.” And I was like: o_____O yeah, actually... good point LOL Although I have to say I'm *still* not happy about that reveal :( Why didn't he tell Damon yet?!?!? Is he going to now???

”Rational or not, Matt still has those rebound issues tucked deep, deep down with Stefan” - Ohhhh I totally didn't think about that, but you're so right! And your entire analysis of Matt's state of mind – everything makes sense. But now I'm worried that it spells trouble for Matt, because they wouldn't make MM a regular only so Matt could kill him off in 6x10 after Enzo didn't have all that much screen time at all so far. Hm...

”So Bonnie… Bonnie is needed. Bonnie is missed.” - Poor Bonnie. She won't even get a break when she comes back from the dead. We already need her to do lots of stuff: help with DE, help with Matt, help with Jeremy lol

”And, oh, Jeremy. I totally get where he's coming from.” - Me too and I'm not upset with him at all, although... is it actually possible to be that calm under the circumstances? Lol I mean, I get that he doesn't want and fights against false hope, but at the same time... now he *knows* Bonnie is somewhere, quite literally, out there, existing, walking, talking, breathing, thinking, being ALIVE. He's got to have ~feelings while thinking about that, right?? It's just a little weird that he's distancing himself from all that right now so completely. Maybe Alaric compelled him.

”I mentioned in the write-up for "Do You Remember The First Time?" that it felt a little bit like Elena had her switch turned off in some of those moments with Damon.” - I'm losing hope this is intentional, but... maybe it is? Either way, I just want this impression to be gone. *waiting on a Christmas miracle RIGHT HERE* ;)

”And he knows that she's willingly spending these moments with him, allowing herself the opportunity *to* fall in love with him all over again.” - As always, your thoughts are making me feel better about everything ♥ ♥

”Kai, Kai, Kai! This guy is gonna cause some serious problems, isn't he?” - Of course he is, but I'm enjoying him more and more, so for now... I don't mind lol

”But quick question… they were right next to the border, why did they have to pull Damon and Elena out then?” - haha I totally stopped myself from analyzing it the moment it occurred to me something was amiss with the logic of that. I'm very attached to my deep conviction that TVD doesn't do plot holes of any kind ♥ lol

”So I'm hoping we're going to see a conversation between the two where that betrayal both feel now is discussed.” - That's a very interesting perspective and reading of what happened! I hope you're right and we'll get a Damon/Alaric catharsis in relation to that.
Arabian: Damon & Elena42arabian on December 8th, 2014 09:35 am (UTC)
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OH I'm sorry about the flu shot having affected you that much *HUGS* I hope you're feeling totally well again by now! ♥ ♥ ♥

Finally I am today. Phew.

I just can't figure out Sarah's purpose and that makes me wonder... do you think we'll just need a human Salvatore (in relation to a spell or something like that) at some point and that's the reason for introducing the character?

Well, if the show continues beyond a sixth, seventh season fresh blood (heh, no pun intended) is always a good thing. That's what I was thinking of actually, plus, Damon finding out that he *didn't* at least kill his greatxwhatever niece might be a small sense of comfort to him.

Although I have to say I'm *still* not happy about that reveal :( Why didn't he tell Damon yet?!?!?

Because how many times has Damon seemed to be better? Think of 1912, tweaked at Stefan at first, but got over it quickly and they're enjoying brotherly bonding sessions at boxing matches, and then whoopsie, Stefan has a bad and Damon turned his back on him and was gone in a flash. Then we have 1942. Damon was all smiles when he saw Stefan, ready to rush off and join him in brotherly camaraderie and join the war by his side. Then he abandoned him without a word and Stefan didn't see him again until 1994. Oh, and between then he heard nothing but how horrible Damon had been. He comes back all conciliatory and a week later, attacks the boarding house full of people including a pregnant woman carrying his own flesh and blood. Now take present day, how many times has Damon seemed better before he takes two, three, five steps back? And you ask why he hasn't told Damon? Aside from Damon, Zach and Sarah are his only living family members and, oh wait, that's right, Damon killed Zach. Which leaves Sarah--who Damon actually believes he already killed... when she was in her mother's womb! Again, you ask why he hasn't told Damon?

We love Damon, we adore Damon... but Stefan, Jeremy, Caroline, Matt, the others have legitimate reasons for having issues with him. And, remember, they haven't seen the softer side of Damon that we (and Elena, and not even Alaric, and even Bonnie more more than before) have.

Is he going to now???

I'm thinking... no. See a few paragraphs above. Maybe when Damon can stay on an even keel longer than a couple of years.

But now I'm worried that it spells trouble for Matt, because they wouldn't make MM a regular only so Matt could kill him off in 6x10 after Enzo didn't have all that much screen time at all so far. Hm...

Oh, it never crossed my mind that Matt would kill Enzo in 6.10, but rather that their stories are going to become entwined and we'd delve into their psyches and likely Enzo's backstory that way. Possibly Caroline might draw them together too. She's certainly a connection between the two.

TBC
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Florencia: Christmas (Damon & Elena)florencia7 on December 7th, 2014 05:23 pm (UTC)
part II
”All of these things, Elena being effected by Damon, Elena listening to Damon, turning to him, being there for him, Elena believing him, believing in him, etc. all happened before when she fell for him, but they happened over an extended period of time.” - That was very telling and beautiful, that scene. I loved it too.

”Hmm, was that Liv and Tyler's first kiss? Or did they have their first kiss off-screen? And what does it say that I'm not sure?!” - Oh, come on, of course you know what it means if their first kiss indeed happened off-screen! ;) And, sadly, I think it did and it probably means that one of them is going to end up dead ;[

”Elena stopping Damon from eating his pancakes so she could put the whipped cream fangs on the blueberries just like he did.” - That was perfect ♥

”How bad-ass do Damon and Elena look in my icon?” VERY! ;D

”I was feeling a bit eh so that may have effected my viewing of the episode, but I thought this one was the weakest of the season” - You should re-watch it! I'm not saying it was the greatest episode evah, but I think it was awesome. And re-watching usually helps. Take it from someone who watched 6x08 while feeling down ;)

TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE A FIC DURING THE HIATUS, BECAUSE I'M IN NEED OF YOUR WRITING
Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on December 8th, 2014 09:39 am (UTC)
Re: part II

And, sadly, I think it did and it probably means that one of them is going to end up dead ;[

Why do you go straight for the death road?! Every time. And, come on now, you know Tyler is never going to die. He's the human-cockroad hybrid. Every one else on this show will die, but Tyler will live on forever and ever. Liv, well, that's a possibility, I'll grant you. But I could see Luke and Jo dying before her.

”How bad-ass do Damon and Elena look in my icon?” VERY! ;D

Thank you. :)

You should re-watch it! I'm not saying it was the greatest episode evah, but I think it was awesome. And re-watching usually helps. Take it from someone who watched 6x08 while feeling down ;)

I will, probably when the hiatus starts, I'll rewatch the season so far. :)

TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE A FIC DURING THE HIATUS, BECAUSE I'M IN NEED OF YOUR WRITING ♥

Erm, probably not. Sorry. :( But I am trying to go and try and work on my season 01 reviews -- but erm, I don't plan on posting them until after season 06 is over, though.
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(Anonymous) on December 7th, 2014 11:17 pm (UTC)
Do you think Ian will sign for S7? I'm so tired of reading people who claim they know someone who knows someone on set telling that Ian is refusing to do S7 with Delena so either they'll end it or he wouldn't sign. S7 without Damon or DE is like totally pointless anyway. And no way in hell will he screw his fans over like that, he's a professional and a good person. It's probably some of romantic Bamon shippers spreading that stuff - it was their theme since Comic Con - Ian wants to work with Kate, he hates Delena etc.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)06arabian on December 8th, 2014 06:27 am (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that Ian will sign (if he hasn't already), but it's just being kept quiet until the network announces the next season renewal. He doesn't hate Damon/Elena. He's a complete professional, he doesn't hate his fans, or anyone he works with. He loves and adores Nina, the guy utterly worships her. (Don't believe anything you hear out there--even from Ian, he just wants privacy for he and his girl and he's getting it, good for them.) He is great friends with Kat, but it's important to him that the show, the story is good and the fans are happy.
tj2013tj2013 on December 9th, 2014 06:54 pm (UTC)
Ugh, crazy week and no time at all... Just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed your post immensely, as always. Yes to everything you said.
Loved the callback to 2x12, loved how Damon told Elena he did it for Bonnie, loved that Elena was there when Damon took the blows from Ric. Very intrigued how Matts storyline is going to play out and what the hell Enzo is thinking.
Very short comment this time, sorry.
Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on December 10th, 2014 10:25 am (UTC)
Ugh, crazy week and no time at all... Just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed your post immensely, as always. Yes to everything you said.

Thanks, sorry about the crazy week.

Loved the callback to 2x12, loved how Damon told Elena he did it for Bonnie, loved that Elena was there when Damon took the blows from Ric. Very intrigued how Matts storyline is going to play out and what the hell Enzo is thinking.

Yup to all.

Very short comment this time, sorry.

Crazy life, it happens. Thanks for popping in at all. :)
jairem08jairem08 on December 10th, 2014 09:12 am (UTC)
I haven't had stable internet access so late again with my bit.

I haven't felt the episode the first time around and had to re watch. Not sure what bothered me. I enjoyed all DE scenes. I Was heart sore for Damon yet again but hope this Elena is really done like that on purpose and I do hope for an amazing reunion and fluff. Though I'm starting to think it might take much longer than I anticipated.

The Bonnie scene at the end was so sad and emotional. Oh and Damon's emotions because he couldn't bring her back. So heart breaking. I'm curious if and how they will get her back now. Is there another way? Can they build another ascendant? I also hope that Ric will find out soon that Damon didn't cause Kai to get out. Since I don't like Jo I'm quite sad that Ric and Damon are in this fight now.

I just cannot fathom that after Damon came back he is dealing with so much. Instead of at least being in loving arms of Elena.

I'm worried about Matt. I think he might turn against vamps. Hope not against his friends.

There couldn't be more pushing and obvious indication of Steroline. Like everyone is hinting and talking about it. Curious how they will take it from here. Maybe Caroline will back off from now and it will be up to Stefan to "fight " for her. If I can use that word. Wonder if Stefan is still in denial? Or does he really see Caroline only as a friend?

DE were amazing together. Loved the scene with the cream fangs. I think Damon was amazed at that. You could see it in his face. I cannot imagine what he is going through being so close to Elena yet being too far. Not being able to kiss her or touch her (that way)

Again, not sure why but I don't care nor feel Taylor/Liv.

Curious about next episode. How long will the hiatus be after that? Any idea?

thanks as always for your write up.
Arabian: Damon15arabian on December 10th, 2014 10:36 am (UTC)
I haven't had stable internet access so late again with my bit.

Aww, that sucks. At least I'm responding sooner this time, though!

I haven't felt the episode the first time around and had to re watch. Not sure what bothered me.

Brian Young co-wrote the episode and he's probably the weakest regular writer they have when he doesn't co-write with a stronger writer (like Caroline Dries). This is par for the course when it comes to him alas.

I enjoyed all DE scenes. I Was heart sore for Damon yet again but hope this Elena is really done like that on purpose and I do hope for an amazing reunion and fluff. Though I'm starting to think it might take much longer than I anticipated.

I'm still hoping we get something next episode, it's possible, but we'll see.

The Bonnie scene at the end was so sad and emotional.

I KNOW!!

Oh and Damon's emotions because he couldn't bring her back. So heart breaking. I'm curious if and how they will get her back now. Is there another way?

I'm sure they'll be able to figure something out. Building another ascendant, a full moon, some spell, some sort of magic, something. I'm sure.

I also hope that Ric will find out soon that Damon didn't cause Kai to get out.

That's not what it's really about though. It's about the fact that Damon compelled Ric; Ric feels betrayed. He can't believe that Damon would do that to him. Like I said in my post though I think there are deeper issues that need to be worked out here.

Since I don't like Jo I'm quite sad that Ric and Damon are in this fight now.</i>

Yeah, and I'd like Damon to point out that Bonnie (alone for months, no help, no magic, no known timeline of help, 19 years old) vs Jo (with all this help, with magic, with vamps on her side, experienced in age)... Bonnie really should have been the easier call to help, not Jo.

I just cannot fathom that after Damon came back he is dealing with so much. Instead of at least being in loving arms of Elena.

Well, such is the life of Damon Salvatore. :(

I'm worried about Matt. I think he might turn against vamps. Hope not against his friends.

Well, that's we're heading, it looks like. Bonnie needs to come back; she'd help there.

RE: Stefan/Caroline.

I think Stefan is still in denial. I think that Caroline will back off, and that Enzo and/or Matt might wind up more in the driver's seat with her... which might lead Stefan to finally realizing he does feel something which would then lead to him fighting for her. But we'll see.

DE were amazing together. Loved the scene with the cream fangs. I think Damon was amazed at that. You could see it in his face. I cannot imagine what he is going through being so close to Elena yet being too far. Not being able to kiss her or touch her (that way)

Yup, yup, yup.

Again, not sure why but I don't care nor feel Taylor/Liv.

Cuz you don't feel it. It just isn't there for you. It's how the cookie crumbles. :shrugs:

How long will the hiatus be after that? Any idea?

After next week's episode, the show returns on January 22, 2015.

thanks as always for your write up.

And thanks you, as always, for commenting. :)
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Arabian: Damon17arabian on December 11th, 2014 12:33 am (UTC)
He does, but remember when Bonnie and Damon used the ascendant the first time, it stayed with Bonnie in 1994... but hmm, it was destroyed so that could have been the reason since Elena still had the ascendant with her going back and forth this time. Good point.

I dunno, I don't think Kai plans on locking Papa Parker in a time prison but rather killing him viciously. That seems more Kai's style, you know? Yeah.
suckerfordelenasuckerfordelena on December 11th, 2014 07:54 pm (UTC)
I Alone
Hey there!

I know I haven't commented in a long time and this comment is also really too late, As we are gonna get the next TVD episode tomorrow (technically today of we according to my country's time.) but I am sorry for that. I wished I did commented on all of those but what can I say, life got in way...terms...unit tests...

But here I am now! So, firstly, I would like to start by saying to you so... :) Can I brag? A little? Please...

And, Stefan didn't knew about Sarah? Hmm... indulged. He admitted Gail in hospital and left before seeing if she was alive or dead. :/ I think he knew?

This is what I said in my review to you post about Black Hole Sun. I knew it! Stefan knew! It was obvious! He wouldn't just admit her in the hospital and leave. If he knew there was any way the child would survive he would take care of it. Which, we see, he did.

But quick question… they were right next to the border, why did they have to pull Damon and Elena out then? Why couldn't they have just gone to Tyler's house, waited out the hour and then brought back Damon and Elena?

Okay, so, I think that they did that to save Damon and Elena. See, Liv gave them her blood and said that it was to bond her to them. So, maybe, if Liv went off the border without bringing them back the link would have broken and then Liv couldn't bring them back. If she wanted, to save them, it was the only way I think. We saw that The fire Kai put went out when he was *thrown* past that border. What do you think about my theory...? I would love to hear feedback before the next episode... If you have time.

I also have one question for you.... Do you watch The Originals? I don't remember if I had asked you this question or not... If you do, you may know there's *was* a witch named Monique *one of the main character in season 1* in the show who was killed. We know from The originals that a witch can survive after dying by shifting bodies...kind of like the Travelers... So could it be possible this Monique was the Monique and the writers are somehow planning on doing an Crossover? I am excited about that! I wish my this interpretation is right....

Hope to her from you soon!

XOXOXO

-T
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder07arabian on December 14th, 2014 05:20 am (UTC)
Re: I Alone
Yeah, you did disappear! Glad to know it was just busy, busy life!

"And, Stefan didn't knew about Sarah? Hmm... indulged. He admitted Gail in hospital and left before seeing if she was alive or dead. :/ I think he knew?"

This is what I said in my review to you post about Black Hole Sun. I knew it! Stefan knew! It was obvious! He wouldn't just admit her in the hospital and leave. If he knew there was any way the child would survive he would take care of it. Which, we see, he did.


You did call that. Good on you! :)

Okay, so, I think that they did that to save Damon and Elena. See, Liv gave them her blood and said that it was to bond her to them. So, maybe, if Liv went off the border without bringing them back the link would have broken and then Liv couldn't bring them back.

But the idea was that they could get Bonnie back at any time as in ANY TIME, not that Liv was going to go and come back and do this with them in the next hour or so. They weren't planning on doing this any time soon. It would have to wait until Liv had her full powers back, Kai was dealt with, etc. It was like Damon and Elena were just hanging out in the cemetery.

I would love to hear feedback before the next episode... If you have time.

Sorry, I didn't get back to this until now. Sorry. :(

Do you watch The Originals?

I did, but I stopped because they have retconned SO MANY TVD things on that show it infuriates me. I thought it was weird that they used the name Monique though. Because the first thing that popped into my head was 'hey, there was a witch named Monique on The Originals, but I don't think it's related, but who knows? They might be planning that, but I really, really don't want them to bring that whole switching bodies crap over to my show.

Hey, with the hiatus coming up if you want to respond to past episode write-ups, feel free to do so if you have the time. :)
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Bogwitchbogwitch on December 15th, 2014 11:40 pm (UTC)
Just popping in to say sorry I have not been around, I have been having my kitchen fitted and I haven't had a lot of time with all the chaos. I will get back to all the posts I haven't commented on over the Christmas break (Friday!) - hopefully even 6.02, which I wanted to say a bit about and never got to (whether my notes are still relevant is another story).
Arabian: Doylearabian on December 20th, 2014 09:45 pm (UTC)
Hey, real life always come first (and that includes fitted kitchens!). Thoughts on past episodes are always relevant. I always find it interesting to go back and look on things we thought then. It's cool. :)
Bogwitchbogwitch on December 29th, 2014 10:33 pm (UTC)
Poor Bonnie!

>>Never telling the whole story, only what he deems necessary, the truth according to Stefan Salvatore.

Always a useful trait for a character in an on-going TV series!

I was sad to see Monique go, there was so much possibility for story there (maybe there still is???)

I was wrong about the necklace, oh well. I was right about Kai coming to 2012, but I wouldn’t take credit for that as I thought it was so obvious.
Arabian: Damon & Elena22arabian on December 30th, 2014 10:52 am (UTC)
Poor Bonnie!

{SOBS}

>>Never telling the whole story, only what he deems necessary, the truth according to Stefan Salvatore.

Always a useful trait for a character in an on-going TV series!


LMAO! So true.

I was sad to see Monique go, there was so much possibility for story there (maybe there still is???)

I do think so, just not with Monique herself. I am intrigued. And I do wonder how Damon will react to the news that Stefan has lied to him all these years (not that I can blame him really).

I was wrong about the necklace, oh well.

Which, honestly, I'm really happy about. I so wanted my reasoning to be right, and I didn't want that necklace to which has so much to do with S/E to have anything to do with this.

I was right about Kai coming to 2012, but I wouldn’t take credit for that as I thought it was so obvious.

Well, yeah. LOL!