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15 November 2014 @ 07:51 am
6.07 - 'Do You Remember The First Time?' (The Vampire Diaries)  
It's Thursd Friday and The Vampire Diaries post is finally here! Sorry for the delay. Blame it on a late start and the amount of gifs! And the wordy mcwords. But here, my post, at last. :)

He makes her smile; he makes her catch her breath and holds her captive in his gaze. She forgets the boy she came with all because she desperately wants to recall the memories of the man she claims not to love. She feels at ease in his arms, and shares his drink. She remembers only the worst of him and yet she feels guilty that she can't love him like he loves her. She looks at him and feels like he's only a stranger…yeah, right, my ass! This, my friends, is Elena Gilbert in full denial mode. Oh, Elena. I was thinking of what she said to Caroline early in the episode about how when she looked at Damon and how she felt "scared" and that word jumped out at me. Why scared? And it got me thinking. I've said in a few of these past write-ups that Elena is basically back to where she was pre-loving Damon, but with Damon back in her life, she's rather in the "I don't know how I feel about Damon" phase.

Recall that Damon told Jeremy that while compulsion may erase the memories however those feelings, that sense of what you felt at least, doesn't go away. And re-read my first paragraph, Elena's reactions to Damon were an Elena reacting to Damon as she did during her "I don't know how I feel" phase. And that got me thinking about what I wrote in my write-ups for "The Murder of One" and "Heart of Darkness."

From the former, I wrote: "Elena has her own expectation of what love is. She thought she loved Matt, but it was just puppy love, based on their many years as friends. She loves Stefan, but she believed it was the all-encompassing, forever and always, kind of love. Yet, in "The Last Day," she told Stefan that she didn't even know what love was. That line was so very telling to me. Yes, she backtracked immediately, but she said it. When she thought she would die, when she was being as honest as she'd ever been with Stefan, she told him -- the boy she claimed she would love always -- that she wasn't even sure that she knew what love was.

And then we get to Damon. What she feels for him, how she feels it for him and all of the bad and ugly mixed in with the good and sweet doesn't fit her definition of love as she's known it. So then what does she feel for him? She has no idea because it isn't what she felt for Matt, and it's not what she feels for Stefan, and she was so sure it was love with Matt ... until she wasn't and then she met Stefan. And she was so sure it was forever love with Stefan ... until these months with Damon and what's been happening under the surface all along building between them. So she does not know. She really, really doesn't know."

So minus her knowledge of all of the building moments with Damon, this fits where Elena is to a tee emotionally. She remembers experiencing all of that with Matt and Stefan. So she knows those versions of love with both of those two and so those are her definitions of love. Moving on, this is what I wrote after "Heart of Darkness."

This is Elena. […] She lives in denial. Everything around her continues to fall apart, she is all alone in so many ways, and if she can just hold on to the "truths" she knows without opening up a whole messy can of worms and most likely making her life a gazillion times harder, she's going to. Elena is well aware that once she opens that door with him [romantically], that's it. Can you imagine how honestly terrifying it would be to be on the receiving end of Damon's love? Right now, her non-admitted-reciprocation is all that has kept it at bay. But a Damon who gets that love in return, oh boy! It's going to be beyond any kind of intense she could ever imagine. It's TERRIFYING. Wonderful, crazy, awesome, beautiful...but terrifying, because there is NO line that he won't cross to keep her safe. None. And he's wild, and impetuous, and crazy, and passionate and this is a girl who's never really experienced passion. She's scared out of her mind to get into something with him.
So "scared" (or rather, terrifying) does fit, but it is likely not what Elena thinks she is scared of but rather that she's still stuck on the whole "monster" idea of Damon. However, his actions and interactions with her later in the episode are clearly already making a dent in that. But still…it fits. It really does. Just think of it. Elena didn't know what she felt for Damon because she'd never experienced that kind of love, and she didn't recognize it as such until she experienced it and accepted it as such with him.

Naturally, having forgotten all of the time she did spend loving him, once again being the laser-like focus of Damon's intense love would be terrifying for someone like her. He's all up in her groove, those pretty, pretty blue eyes gazing so intensely into hers, pouring all of his love directly into her soul, literally telling her that he traveled through time and space to get back to her. The girl could barely breathe did Damon so overwhelm her with the force of his love for her. So the feelings are definitely there, they just need to be brought to the surface. And gee, Damon, maybe you might want to try and work at it longer than one evening, dude! Geesh!

I'm sure that some are all team!Damon with him guilt-tripping Elena when he was telling her that he would have never erased any second of their time together no matter how much agony he was in, blah, blah, blah. Well, you know what? I'm not at all. I'm all team!Elena. You know why? Because Damon doesn't have a problem killing people. Elena does. And that's why she did it, that was the big motivating factor. Elena was thisclose to killing people. That's not Elena, and Elena wouldn't be the woman that Damon loves if she was fine with that. So stuff it, Damon!

 

OK, fine, I understand and appreciate why Damon said that. I get his pain and his frustration. I am glad that he expressed said pain and frustration and that it came from a breaking heart. I completely get that, but still…Team!Elena here.

Especially when Damon, again, yeah, gave up after one freaking night of trying to get her memories back! Elena was clearly willing to continue trying. She was asking him about a memory she'd had. She was willing to explore stuff between the two of them. But what did he do? He *lied* to her! He gave her some hogwash answer about mud and heading home. Pfft!

And with that said…erm, I was right. Yuppers, called it. With a few modifications for plot variances, totally called it. Damon would see that Elena was "happy" and "better off without him" and thus would "let her go." Yup. Totally, totally called it. (Damn, do I know this show? Yes, I do.) Which means…whee! I may get this after all…from my "Yellow Ledbetter" Take Two post which included my Damon let's Elena go for her happiness post because he still believes they're toxic essentially:

[…]That brings us to the finale of last season. One of my only two issues with that episode was the fact that Damon and Elena didn't resolve the whole supposed toxicity of their relationship.

While I did love what we got with Damon and Elena, I wasn't pleased with what we did not get—in that there was no resolution to the whole toxic nonsense. And we actually had the perfect opportunity with the perfect set-up in the perfect timeline. Caroline killed Luke to save Stefan without hesitation right in front of Elena. Later when Elena and Damon were talking in the forest they could have talked about the whole supposedly toxic nature of their relationship then. That was the time to acknowledge. That was the time to say that it's not Damon and Elena who are toxic. It's the entire Scooby Gang that is "toxic," if that's what they want to call it.

And, really, it would have just taken a few lines. Elena softly looks at him, all doe-eyes shining in the sun-filtered forest. "I know we said we were bad for each other, that I had to bend my moral compass for you," and Damon would sigh, but she'd cut him off, taking his face in her hands (because that is their thing). "But Damon, we're not bad for each other. We're there for each other. We protect each other. That's what we all do. I protect Jeremy and Bonnie, and Caroline protects Stefan and Bonnie. Like you would protect any of us, and not just me. We protect each other and we do what we have to do because that's who we are. Yes, sometimes you do things that I wish you didn't, but that's who you are and I love you, Damon, all of you. I love you." And then Damon would look at her, all wide-eyed and vulnerable with love shining from his eyes, lips slightly parted in wonder like how did I get this lucky? And then smooches! And the rest of the scene could play out as scripted.

Or something like that. But the whole toxic/bad for each other discussion should have been had before the big separated by "death" goodbye. Obviously they were reunited and together, but it felt a wee bit glossed over and I don't like when Damon and Elena gloss over things because those two don't gloss. It's not them. They are not a gloss-over-type of pair. And the show has done such a remarkable job with not like *ever* glossing over stuffs with them. *sigh* It's just so frustrating because they were actually taking steps to get to that point where, like I showed above, all that was needed was a few lines because everything else was set up. It was there! We were there. We were like, actually, right there! At the spot. It was marked X! All we needed were the words. At least, I did.

They could have cut out, oh, I don't know, a few Lexi lines to give us this with Damon and Elena, thank you very much! *double sigh* OK, fine, I guess to be fair, when Damon comes back, they may wind up addressing it then. Because we did have that PERFECT set-up. So it totally is possible that it is still coming. I just really, really, really would have preferred that it came before the big separation.
You see that second to last line above? "So it totally is possible that it is still coming." Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure it totally is still coming. However, it's going to be hella, extremely painful before then. Now, I think there was a VERY specific reason that, yes, Elena saw what happened with Caroline and Luke, why that spot was marked X, why all of that happened, and WHY that conversation between Damon and Elena did not happen. All of the above played out for Elena because *Elena* knows now that their relationship is not toxic. She knows now that she was looking at their relationship in a vacuum. But because of the extreme situation, it wasn't the time to sit down and talk it all out then. She figured they could do that later because of course Damon would come back.

On the other hand, Damon never had that talk with Stefan. Damon never saw that moment with Caroline or anyone else. Damon never had any indication from Stefan or Caroline or Bonnie or Jeremy or Matt or ELENA or anyone else that he and Elena are not toxic. He just figured they got back together because they are so fucking miserable without each other because, remember (and this is important!) even when he demanded she stopped loving him she told him that she can't."

     
So, yuppers, there ya go. We may yet finally get that "toxicity—not!" discussion between Damon and Elena. Woohoo! As to when this is all going to actually happen, I mean, her memories coming back and how will it happen? Well…I still think it's very likely that we're gonna get a November sweeps Thanksgiving (for Vampire Diaries) miracle and it will be the next episode. But who knows. It could be in one of the two December episodes, but I'm still holding out hope for next week. However, I won't be disappointed if it happens in the last episode before we break for the winter hiatus and I could see that happening just as easily as well honestly and as good as the Damon/Elena tension was in this episode, I can't say I'd really mind.

As for how…well, Damon kept really, really wanting to go in for that kiss—dude, was like dying for that kiss, folks, just d-y-i-n-g for it—and yet it didn't happen. So, I'm kinda thinking that maybe it will be a combination of Elena breaking the compulsion because I do think it will be her having the mental fortitude to do that and part of that will be her kissing him like she did in "Heart of Darkness." She made the first move there. She ran to him, she kissed him. And maybe by doing so again, pushing through the mental barrier to just follow what her heart feels and what her body wants*, her mind will follow and unblock the memories.

* Because, yeah, her body so wants him. Just watch that dance with them. She danced with him only begrudgingly with him to begin with it, but began so far away (see the first gif), but within three seconds (it was literally three seconds—see second gif) she was that much closer to him. The twirl into his arms (gifs three and four) showed an Elena who was already made breathless and affected by him, and the rest of the gifs reveal a woman who is comfortable being held by this man, close to him, mesmerized by his eyes, by his voice, who is drawn to him. Oh, yes, her body wants.

 
 
 

Those memories, yeah, why weren't the unblocked when she clearly got a bunch of them including the birthday memory? (I did slo-mo it and she saw the Miss Mystic Falls dance, him standing behind her to put the necklace on, a few shots of their first sexytiems, a few conversations post-sire bond reveal, the post ‘I love you' kiss and the non-‘I love you' looks and then hands in the car Operation!kaboom, finally, the smiles before the rain kiss or you can see the pretty slo-moed gif below. Although, they do loop the memories three times, I only gif'ed them once.)

     

*sigh* OK, but again, why didn't they unlock all of her memories if they included the birthday memory? Well, Elena's last scene with Damon explained that. It's because it didn't include the full memory which had him giving her the actual necklace so she didn't actually know what it was he was doing there at the mirror. And it was the fact that Damon was willing to give her that necklace and put her and her love/relationship with Stefan ahead of his feelings for her and be so damn selfless that made her realize that she could love him forever.

After all, recall we saw different memories from the night they had sex, from the post sire bond reveal and from Operation!Kaboom. Plus, she clearly remembered the first part of the rain kiss, but she didn't remember what happened afterwards which is why she had to ask Damon. So that's why she didn't get her memories back, the trigger wasn't, well, triggered because she didn't get the full birthday memory back, or at least, the right part of it.

And before I move on, can I just say how awesome I found it that Elena even attempted to break the compulsion by crossing the border? Because she's Elena and she's awesome and because of what it says about her feelings for Damon that are so there buried under the blocked memories that she can't access, but everything but her head is screaming at her to unlock? Firstly, that's my girl, Elena, willing to go to such lengths to get her memory back because that is just who she is. (And, I so called it!)

Elena hates not knowing the answers, she hates being in the dark. That's Elena. And moving onto her luuurve for Damon... the bottom-line is that she does know that she loves this guy, she knows it instinctively and it is driving her crazy because she desperately wants to know WHY and HOW. And there's a part of her (that she would never admit to because the Elena who hadn't admitted to loving Damon was denial-girl) that wants to love him because she's that girl who wanted danger and excitement, a love and passion that consumed her and she can see it clear as day that she had *that* kind of love with Damon Salvatore. And, damnit, she wants it back!

Now, back to one of those memories that she sorta had that our lovely Damon finished for us. Oh, yeah, the rain kiss. Uhm, I'm going to confess something here. I'm not like the majority of the Damon/Elena fanbase in that I haven't been jonesing for a rain kiss. I mean, it was romantic and I'm glad we got it and all, but it's not like I'm OMG!We got a Delena!Rain!Kiss!!! I've got Damon/Elena kitchen sexytiems and Damon/Elena shower sexytiems on my list, but a rain kiss, uhm, OK, yay. I'm happy for the rest of the fanbase. Now this is not to say that it was beautiful and I didn't love it…and that I didn't gif the hell out of it because I did. :D

What I loved more than the kiss itself though was Damon's smiles beforehand. Him smiling as he watched her joy looking at the sky just made my heart melt. Oh, he's so in love with her. And then his continued smile when she beamed at him so gloriously just made me grin because they were both so, so happy. No wonder Damon kept going back to this memory. And, of course, after she made him promise they'd have forever {sobs}, and he did, man *that* smile was just…oh, Damon… SO HAPPY. He just looked so, so happy. My heart.

And then they kissed in the rain. And an entire fanbase deafened dogs the world over with their squeals of joy.

 
 
 
 

Not quite as joyful, OK, fine not joyful at all, but awesome in an entirely different way was Stefan and Caroline. I continue to absolutely, fantastically adore what the show is doing with these two. And their final scene, especially the last couple of lines just kicked me in the gut because of what Caroline said to Stefan and what it means for their story. And *that* made me squee. She told him that she hates him. Caroline told Stefan that she hates him. O.M.G. We all know that in Vampire Diaries speak, that's code for the beginning of true love. "I hate you" is the beginning of a love story, not the end of one.

Uh huh.

Seriously, I just loved every single, solitary Stefan and Caroline moment. From the second that Stefan heard that Caroline was potentially in danger, he all but zoomed out of there and was at her side and like Stefan with Damon, and Damon with Stefan and Elena, and Elena with Jeremy and Damon, Stefan pretty much completely ignored what she wanted and chose to do what was best for her because she was in danger. And it was awesome.

 

As was their scene with Enzo in which Enzo outed Caroline's feelings for Stefan and in which I once again found reason to appreciate the subtle brilliance of Rebecca Sonnenshine's scripts. There was so very much said in between the lines of much more civil dialogue and I just loved it to bits. I mean the non-spoken conversation that was going on between these three was priceless.

Caroline:: Don't you dare! I will kill you.
Enzo: Whatever, gorgeous. If I'm not getting any, I'm gonna make it hella harder for him to get any. Cheers.
Stefan: Wait? What?! No way! How did I miss that?!
Caroline:: You are dead. You are so dead. Wait, did Stefan hear me say that? Crap, he knows that I—I mean, that I had the feelings for him. CRAP!
Stefan: Caroline had the feelings for me? Hmmm... This is interesting information. I must process.
 
 

HI-LARIOUS!

And then their later scene when Stefan talks to her about the information that he has processed is equally hilarious, because when you think about what Stefan is actually asking Caroline, well, it's HI-larious, but really, the scene is totally and completely heartbreaking so it's not funny at all. But, still, yeah, hilarious when you get what Stefan is actually asking Caroline and realize there's only one real possible reason he could be asking that question.

So once again, let's take a look at the layer beneath the dialogue, shall we?

Stefan: So, tell me exactly why it is you had a thing for me so I can know why you had a thing for me? I mean, I'm not saying that I have a thing for you but I'm not *not* saying that I have a thing for you. I'm just wondering what I did that made you have a thing for me when you *had* a thing for me. You know, cuz if you were to have a thing for me in the future I'd like to know cuz if I were to have a thing for you I would need to know what to do to make sure that you have a thing for me again. So, tell me why did you have a thing for me?
And then he, of course, threw in the puppy-dog eyes and furrowed brow along with it. Of course. See, HI-larious. I was just cracking up. But then, then, then, my heart was breaking because Caroline was having none of it. Because as clueless as Stefan is—and he so, so is—when it comes to Stefan and how he deals with pain, Caroline is kinda just as clueless.

She thinks that when he walked away and wouldn't talk to her that it was his way of saying that he doesn't care, but it's the opposite with Stefan. The fact that he *didn't* talk to her and the fact that he walked away from her was actually the proof that she was the one who meant the most to him with Damon gone. Stefan couldn't face Caroline; he couldn't talk to Caroline because she was the only person who could get to him. She was the only one who could make him face the loss of Damon and he wasn't ready face that loss and deal with it. It's because he does feel so much for Caroline that he didn't reach out to her. But she doesn't know Stefan well enough yet to get that. Oh, Caroline.

 
 

And because Stefan is so damaged he can't say that, he can't admit that to her so he just lets her walk away. And as she was telling him that she hates him and as she walked away, man, he just looked like his heart was breaking into a million tiny pieces. Oh, Stefan.

And oh, Bonnie! My poor Bonnie! So now we know, Kai must just clearly be able to heal from wounds which I'm thinking now must be part of his "punishment." I mean, I guess what's the point of being stuck in some portal forever if he can just kill himself and get out of it and not suffer for an eternity? So that makes sense.

Can I just say I feel vindicated about how well I do know these characters? I was right about Damon, and I was right about Bonnie. I knew that she would never have let Kai back into the world with other people knowing what a monster he was. So when she first seemed like she was going to just go through it, I was like, uhm, OK, and was very, very confused because it just didn't jibe with what I know of Bonnie as a character. And then…she didn't. Yay, that's my Bonnie!

And then, and then… Damon found Mr. Cuddles! And he figured out that Bonnie is alive! And now we know why Damon didn't tell anyone about Bonnie and wasn't trying to figure out a way to get her back. He thought she was dead. Can I just ding last week's new writers' again for that one and say that should have just made that clear? If they'd just had another line in that confusing back and forth in the beginning and had Damon tell Stefan "Bonnie's died," it would have cleared everything up for viewers. *sigh* Silly new writers. (Bless you, Rebecca Sonnenshine.)

 

Oh, Damon was so happy to realize that Bonnie was alive, the smile on his face when he saw Mr. Cuddles. Ah, I loved it. And, yay, yay, yay! I was right. I mentioned in the comments to someone that "I think either Kai will wind up coming back OR a whole bunch of them will wind up going through the Gemini coven-created portal back to 1994 and we'll wind up with some epic showdown back in time." Obviously the first ain't happening, so aha!, we're getting the second, I'm so excited for that. It will be awesome. I say obviously the first isn't happening because without her magic, neither of them can leave 1994, they are stuck there, period.

So who's going along? Damon, Elena, Jeremy, Stefan and Caroline—what else have they got going on? Uhm, Liv and Luke, probably because I'm thinking that they are members of the Gemini coven because, yeah, twins, Gemini? Yeah? Hopefully Tyler (with Liv). Oh, and obviously Jo will be going with them since she is Kai's sister. Who called that? Uhm, everyone. LOL! Nice to know that Jo is the sister that Kai had a soft spot for and so instead of cutting out her lungs, he only cut out her spleen. I have to say that I liked Jo in this. Hmm, I guess Damon really does make everything better, LOL! Seriously, his scenes with her were amusing and I guess it helped me to like her better? I dunno, but I didn't dislike her this time around. So, yeah, Damon's makes everything better.

ETA: Take that back, I was thinking on the scene where Jo was extolling Liam's virtues to Damon and I realized how not only unnecessary it was, but also how unnecessarily cruel it was. At this point, she has to know from Alaric that Damon didn't really die and so what Alaric did to Elena potentially destroyed Damon's chance for being with the love of his life. So Damon is suffering here and it's not his fault in any way and instead of showing him any sympathy of any kind, she instead chooses to be a total bitch for no reason other than to be, well, a total bitch. So, no, I don't like her. Still, Damon did momentarily make her interesting because he's awesome.

As is his Camaro! I don't why, but I got such a kick out of seeing Bonnie in Damon's car. Too bad, she didn't start for Bonnie. But it did give me my one truly creepy moment of the episode. The realization that I do really think that Bonnie and Kai have chemistry. Eew, gross. I felt dirty typing that. But, yeah, when he was all behind her and up in her face, yeah, there was something there. Eew. But yeah.

Also with the chemistry-making, but without the eew-factor? Liv and Tyler! Yay! Even if they only had one scene, I still enjoyed it. Liv is such a smart-ass and she just is not giving Tyler an inch, like at all. But you know he likes it. Plus, boy needs a challenge to keep his mind off of his rage issues. Liv is good for him. Plus, the chemistry. Me likey!

 

You know what else me likey? Damon and Alaric and their awesometastic (yes, I just made that word up) bromance being written as awesometastically as it should be! As it was in this episode! That opening scene? When Damon was a total smart-ass, making digs at Ric for wiping Elena's memory, Ric feeling bad about it, Damon basically teetering near the brink of killing Ric every five seconds and Ric only mildly annoyed with it, Damon taking a moment to genuinely tell Ric how happy he was that Ric was alive and Ric taking a moment to genuinely accept Damon's happiness before admonishing him and then Damon acting like a five-year old in response? THAT is Damon and Ric's awesometastic bromance. Not whatever *that* scene was in the last episode masquerading as a reunion between best friends who had literally been dead to the other.

These were my two favorite moments. Aww and hee!

 

Me likey a lot! :D

Phew! OK, time for randoms…

- Aww, they played 'Belong' by Cary Brothers while Damon and Elena were dancing. That's the song that played when Elena told Damon that she loved him face to face for first time and hell if she was going to apologize for it. (Honestly, though, I think I kinda would have preferred "New York" by Snow Patrol personally. Ah well, it's the thought that counts.)

- I mentioned it above, but I really did love Elena just walking over and grabbing Damon's drink *right after* he had just drunk from it. Seriously, there is a comfort level it's like she doesn't even realize she has with him it's so comfortable. Oh, Elena.

 

- Gah, the hopeful, happy look on Damon's face when Elena said that she wanted him to help her get her memories back. Oh Damon.

- I loved when Damon and Elena were dancing and he was talking about their dance at the Miss Mystic Falls pageant and he said that Elena was all concerned about Stefan of course, but there was one moment where everyone else just fell away and it was just the two of them. Up to that point while they'd been dancing, we had seen all of the other couples dancing around them, but right after Damon said that the camera cut to a different angle and you could only see Damon and Elena dancing. Yes, there was a waitress walking and some party guests in the background but they were blurry. The point is that you couldn't see any other dancers anymore and just as Damon said, once again everyone else fell away and it was just the two of them. I loved that imagery, it was just gorgeous. You see the switch in couples around them to not in the gifs below because the cut follows immediately in the camera angle between the gifs. The director, Darren Genet, really did a great job with this episode.

 

- I love this show! People were wondering why Elena didn't cross the town border to break the compulsion. Well, we got our answer in this episode. She would die. Also, I (and I'm sure others were wondering about bringing vampires back and restoring their human-ness) and the show answered this question at the top of the show. With that said, I still think it will happen--at least with Elena. And I keep thinking of the fact that we had Bonnie (and Matt) being the lifeguards. Remember, Bonnie already brought Matt back from a similar kind of near-death experience back in "The Reckoning." Uh huh. Plus, we had Damon once again reminding us that he knows that Elena would prefer to be human and that he wanted that for her. Double uh huh.

- Did anyone else feel like Elena was kinda reminiscent of Elena with her switch off in some of her scenes with Damon, like, yeah, part of her was switched off? I felt like Nina Dobrev played it that way deliberately so. Obviously not all of it, not always, but just moments here and there before Damon would break through and wrest some response from her that her heart, her body instinctively remembered before her blanked memories and thus her switched off-head took control. Playing it that way made sense, I thought.

- So when I suggested that we didn't know where Caroline stood on Damon/Elena last week because the new writers (grr) gave us conflicting signals, I was right. On one hand, they began the Caroline/Elena scenes heading towards the Mystic Falls border with Caroline aggravated that Elena was driving like a maniac as if Caroline was annoyed that Elena was getting all worked up over Damon. And then they had her give Elena a happy smile that she had chosen to get her memories back at the end of the scenes, so I was left wondering which was it? Was she pro or still anti-Damon/Elena after seeing a miserable Damon-less Elena. Well, we got our answer in this episode. She's still pretty anti-Damon/Elena. *sigh* At least we know, and at least she wasn't completely ripping Damon apart, just slightly negative about him and it wasn't like the things she said weren't true. Still… *sigh*

- I thought this was interesting. Last week, Damon saw the picture of Stefan and Elena in a couply-pose (with Caroline in the shot) and put the frame face down. In this episode, Caroline did the same thing. Interesting parallel, huh?

 

- It took six seasons, but someone *finally* commented on Damon's pretty blue eyes!

- She may have been annoyed with him, but I did love that when going to save her mom, Caroline went with Stefan and in his car because Stefan *was* driving, awww!

- Yay, Sheriff Elizabeth Forbes lives to see another day. Thank goodness. When I first saw her with a gun to her head, I thought, ‘you better not kill Liz!' They did not. Good.

- So I'm still thinking that Liam is going to be worked into their little group because he is just not being presented as a "love interest" to me. He's more the new addition to the Scooby gang. He was Elena's date in the episode, but the whole point of it was more to meet Damon and see the "dead" boyfriend, i.e., part of figuring it out, and to show Damon that Elena is "moving on" and having more of a normal "human" life. As for being Elena's "love interest," she's just kinda 'OK, we'll wait and see what happens with him.' There's just no 'there' there. Again, as I said at the top of the post, she came to the fundraiser with him and left with another guy, a guy she claims to hate. Yeah.

- OK, Luke's hairstyle looked really bad. Like REALLY bad. Dude!

- I'm wondering if Matt is going to wind up being caught between the vampires and the humans…but then is it really just Enzo because while Matt has had some vampire issues, most of his friends are, well, vampires. And he was pretty disgusted with how the humans acted this go-round until Enzo screwed over Tripp and the deal they'd made with the human contingency. So I'm wondering if Enzo is going to be a part of Matt's bigger story here. (Sorry bogwitch) Because I'm also wondering why Michael Malarkey (Enzo) was even made a regular cast member at this point. Enzo is barely used him as a character. He's made several appearances starting with his first in "The Cell," and yet other than that he was a soldier, he loved a girl named Maggie, he died of consumption and he was tortured for a hella long time, we don't know much about him or even about what he wants, who he is inside. So, I am curious what's the point, and now I'm wondering if it's going to tie into Matt's story. (And again, if that's the case, sorry, bogwitch.)

- And, yes, my beloved Matty was once again my beloved Matty blue-blue. Thank you, Rebecca. :)

- Can I just say that I adore just how much that the show isn't even pretending anymore that there is a triangle. Damon and Elena are IT. THE COUPLE and there isn't even a question mark about it. I just love that so very hard. SQUEE!

Alrighty then, another episode and I continue to really enjoy the heck out of this season. I love, love, love Rebecca Sonnenshine episodes. She's one of my absolute favorite writers on the show and I thought this one was stellar. The Damon/Elena and Stefan/Caroline stuff was fantastic, all of my babies were in wonderful character and, it was just all so lovely. I love this show so damn much. So, so much!

Well, that's all she wrote. Sorry, this is a day later than usual, but I started a bit later doing the post and it took me nearly three hours just to do the gifs so I knew I wasn't going to get the post done last night. Anyhoo, enjoy.
 
 
 
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on November 15th, 2014 03:07 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I still need to get back to the comments from the last episode as there are a few things I wanted to say. Anyway, this was another good one!

>>I'm sure that some are all team!Damon with him guilt-tripping Elena when he was telling her that he would have never erased any second of their time together no matter how much agony he was in, blah, blah, blah. Well, you know what? I'm not at all. I'm all team!Elena. You know why? Because Damon doesn't have a problem killing people. Elena does.

Yes, but I didn’t think of it in those terms myself. Damon’s 170 years old and has lived a terrible, dark life. Being with Elena is the one high point he has experienced in all in that time so I get why he’d need to cling those memories, the pain be damned, but I don’t blame Elena. Grief, in all its forms be it mourning the dead or just the end of a relationship, can be an intense, horrible, devastating feeling and for that reason alone I don’t blame her.

I actually think seeing the necklace is going to be key to breaking the compulsion now, although I agree that emphatic denial that any other vampires are going to be cured crossing the border means it’s very likely someone (Elena probably) is going to give it a try. Unless it’s a way to break the compulsion (and she gets revamped?), I can’t see how it would fit into the story that this point though. Maybe the barrier spell is going to hold up for a lot longer than what I had guessed (somewhere towards the end of the season). Maybe they will keep it around another season.

I suspect there was shower sex after the rain kiss. :)

This episode actually killed Stefan/Caroline for me just because Enzo just presents a far more interesting prospect. It won’t happen though. It is a good question as to why is Enzo a regular at this point. With Tripp dead, that storyline does seem to be wrapped up so there must be more to it and with Enzo and ugh Matt a bit spare, you might be right. There is also Sarah and Jeremy to factor in...

>>>I think either Kai will wind up coming back OR a whole bunch of them will wind up going through the Gemini coven-created portal back to 1994 and we'll wind up with some epic showdown back in time.

Or both?

>>I have to say that I liked Jo in this episode.

Huh. I have finally decided that I don’t like her.

>>Yay, Sheriff Elizabeth Forbes lives to see another day. Thank goodness. When I first saw her with a gun to her head, I thought, ‘you better not kill Liz!' They did not. Good.

Yes, and I would think kidnapping the Sherriff would mean Liz now has some proper work to do.
Arabian: Damon09arabian on November 15th, 2014 11:48 pm (UTC)
Damon’s 170 years old and has lived a terrible, dark life. Being with Elena is the one high point he has experienced in all in that time so I get why he’d need to cling those memories, the pain be damned, but I don’t blame Elena. Grief, in all its forms be it mourning the dead or just the end of a relationship, can be an intense, horrible, devastating feeling and for that reason alone I don’t blame her.

Right, I don't really blame either I agree with what you're saying here. I guess I was just pro-actively jumping in defense of Elena because fandom has a tendency to be on the cute boy's side and crap all over the girl (not that it happens with the lovely commenters here), but fandom in general.

I actually think seeing the necklace is going to be key to breaking the compulsion now

I don't think the necklace is anywhere around now though, is it? So it'd have to be *that* memory which she won't get back unless she tries to cross again.

Maybe the barrier spell is going to hold up for a lot longer than what I had guessed (somewhere towards the end of the season). Maybe they will keep it around another season.

I'm thinking it will hold a lot longer than expected too now. At least as long as you do.

I suspect there was shower sex after the rain kiss. :)

Oh, I'm sure there was TONS of shower sex, but we need to see it, thank you very much.

This episode actually killed Stefan/Caroline for me just because Enzo just presents a far more interesting prospect.

Obviously, I don't agree with Stefan/Caroline, but I don't get why with Enzo since there's just been pretty much nothing but a few surface presentations with Enzo. I think it boils down to that you just love the character of Enzo and want more with him. I'm not saying that I don't expect Enzo to play a bigger part with Caroline because I actually do, and I disagree with you. I think that we are going to get Caroline and Enzo. I'm expecting a Stefan/Caroline/Enzo triangle actually. But, yeah, I do think that Enzo and Matt are going to possibly be the bigger story as part of Enzo's reason for being made a regular.

There is also Sarah and Jeremy to factor in...

Oh, Sarah, I think, is totally going to be Matt's love interest. And, yeah, Jeremy (and Tyler) are Matt's friends but that doesn't preclude Matt's main story being tied up in another character.

Or both?

Kai (and Bonnie) can't come back now on their own because Bonnie has no magic. So it HAS to be the others going back to 1994. And I can't see them going back to 1994 as a group and not taking Kai out.

I have finally decided that I don’t like [Jo].

Hmm, to each their own. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't really like her. And if she dies in 1994, I'm totally fine with that. I just don't actively dislike her anymore.

Yes, and I would think kidnapping the Sheriff would mean Liz now has some proper work to do.

She can't because they know vampire stuff and they know her daughter is a vampire and will out Caroline, so they have that over Liz's head. *sigh*
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on November 16th, 2014 12:04 am (UTC)
>> I guess I was just pro-actively jumping in defense of Elena because fandom has a tendency to be on the cute boy's side and crap all over the girl

There has certainly been some of that unfortunately.

>>I don't think the necklace is anywhere around now though, is it?

No. But if everyone is going back...?

I think there is already a Stefan/Caroline/Enzo triangle, but I don't think they will seriously explore the Enzo side unless it's to galvanise Stefan into action.

>>Kai (and Bonnie) can't come back now on their own because Bonnie has no magic.

No, but that doesn't mean that Kai can never get back. I fully expect to see Kai in the 'present' at some point.

Arabian: Bonnie01arabian on November 17th, 2014 12:47 pm (UTC)
Firstly, I added some stuff to the post, mainly that you're right, I don't like Jo. She had no cause to basically be a total bitch to Damon. I edited in: "I was thinking on the scene where Jo was extolling Liam's virtues to Damon and I realized how not only unnecessary it was, but also how unnecessarily cruel it was. At this point, she has to know from Alaric that Damon didn't really die and so what Alaric did to Elena potentially destroyed Damon's chance for being with the love of his life. So Damon is suffering here and it's not his fault in any way and instead of showing him any sympathy of any kind, she instead chooses to be a total bitch for no reason other than to be, well, a total bitch. So, no, I don't like her."

You were right, I stand (sit) corrected. Anyhoo, on with the rest.

No. But if everyone is going back...?

Ah, that's true, the necklace would be there and we did see Damon pulling it out. I figured the point would be to show that it's BECAUSE of Damon that she had it after all, but, you're right it could be because of that. Good point. But... I kinda would prefer that not be the case since it does have ties to Stefan too.

I think there is already a Stefan/Caroline/Enzo triangle, but I don't think they will seriously explore the Enzo side unless it's to galvanise Stefan into action.

Oh, of course, the seeds are there absolutely. I disagree, though, I think they will explore it. I expect Caroline to turn to Enzo even more now, but I expect it's going to start with anger because of what he did to Tripp potentially putting her mother's life in danger. However, I fully expect something to happen with Enzo. I'm kinda thinking that we'll get a variation on the Damon/Elena/Stefan triangle with Stefan in the Damon position and Enzo in the Stefan place, therefore we'll see Caroline and Enzo paired up first.

No, but that doesn't mean that Kai can never get back. I fully expect to see Kai in the 'present' at some point.

Possibly, but it would be pretty sad and would defeat both of Bonnie's awesome sacrifices, first in sending Damon back alone and then in sending Mr. Cuddles back with all of her magic. The whole point was to keep Kai and his evil from being among other people. Remember Michael was taken down in episode 09 of season 03 so I could see Kai being taken down earlier than expected. Bottom-line is that I'd like to believe that Bonnie's sacrifice was not in vain.
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on November 21st, 2014 08:31 am (UTC)
I wrote this reply a couple of days ago, but I forgot to post it/ I think it is still relevant:
Yeah, the Jo thing is a bit weird and rather bitchy. There seemed to be a marked changed in her status in this ep that didn’t seem to be earned. Yes, she’s involved with Alaric and was probably well aware of the vampires for a while, but suddenly she seems to also know all the gang’s business as well. Has Alaric been blabbing their secrets? Because that seems a bit foolhardy to me, especially given the circumstances and history. That doesn’t necessarily mean I know or think she is an antagonist in this story, I think she’ll be key in dealing with the Gemini coven, Kai and whatever is going on with Luke and Liv, which may be interrelated. (I knew it!!!!)
The woman Elena saved was a Whitmore. Liam comes from ‘medical royalty’. I wonder what that all means.
Also, Elena dearie, if you are going to look at meteors with your boyfriend, check the weather forecast first perhaps you might like to choose a location where the sky isn’t blocked by trees, something like a hilltop, you’ll see more! (The whole geography of that scene is driving me crazy – there’s a jetty and a river with a boat, then what? A flooded field – but it has a bridge???).

I agree about Bonnie, but since when has that mattered?
Arabian: Jeremy01arabian on November 24th, 2014 01:13 pm (UTC)
I wrote this reply a couple of days ago, but I forgot to post it/ I think it is still relevant:

Always relevant!

Yeah, the Jo thing is a bit weird and rather bitchy. There seemed to be a marked changed in her status in this ep that didn’t seem to be earned. Yes, she’s involved with Alaric and was probably well aware of the vampires for a while, but suddenly she seems to also know all the gang’s business as well. Has Alaric been blabbing their secrets?

I think after she saved his life and brought him back from super-vamp and saw all that happened at the border, he figured she deserved to hear all their secrets, so yeah, I figured he done blabbed everything. Totally. That's so Alaric.


Because that seems a bit foolhardy to me, especially given the circumstances and history.

Agreed, but so totes Alaric.

I think she’ll be key in dealing with the Gemini coven, Kai and whatever is going on with Luke and Liv, which may be interrelated. (I knew it!!!!)

GO YOU! You were so right!

The woman Elena saved was a Whitmore. Liam comes from ‘medical royalty’. I wonder what that all means.

Hmmhmmm. I still don't think we're done with Liam. I just don't.

Also, Elena dearie, if you are going to look at meteors with your boyfriend, check the weather forecast first perhaps you might like to choose a location where the sky isn’t blocked by trees, something like a hilltop, you’ll see more! (The whole geography of that scene is driving me crazy – there’s a jetty and a river with a boat, then what? A flooded field – but it has a bridge???).

LMAO! I just have no greater response because you're so right.

I agree about Bonnie, but since when has that mattered?

Her sacrifices do matter sometimes. See: Jeremy!
Florencia: DE (Rain)florencia7 on November 16th, 2014 02:10 am (UTC)
part I
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥ And what delay?!!!?!? I can't imagine how you could possibly write & put together such a long post on Thursday! Lol! So Friday is EARLY!!! ♥ And thank you so much for this! :D

”This, my friends, is Elena Gilbert is in full denial mode.” - Hey, you told me last week Elena was not in denial! Lol! Guess at least she's now ;)

”And gee, Damon, maybe you might want to try and work at it longer than one evening, dude! Geesh!” - But this is exactly what you predicted! That Damon would see that Elena is “happy” and step back! And it's good, because now everything is in Elena's hands ♥

”I'm sure that some are all team!Damon with him guilt-tripping Elena when he was telling her that he would have never erased any second of their time together no matter how much agony he was in” - I actually didn't get guilt-tripping vibes from this scene. In fact, I was thinking about that exactly and thought that it was awesome how there were NO guilt-tripping vibes in this scene at all. The way Damon spoke, his looks, gestures, everything. He was just talking about HOW MUCH HE LOVES Elena. He wasn't guilt-tripping her in the slightest. He wasn't judging her and saying or even implying “how could you”. He was just talking about HIS feelings.

”He *lied* to her!” - But it doesn't count, because Elena totally knows he lied! Lol He told her it was his favorite memory, so it doesn't take a genius to figure that it probably didn't end with Elena feeling miserable, come on! ^^

”And with that said…erm, I was right. Yuppers, called it. With a few modifications for plot variances, totally called it.” - Yep, you SO totally did!!! *confetti* ♥

”but I'm still holding out hope for next week” - Me too! But I guess the last December ep is also a likely possibility.

Random ~technical question: is the last December episode = mid-season finale? Or is the mid-season finale going to be 6x11 = the first January episode? Or 6x12?? Because somehow I managed to confuse myself while thinking about that lol

” And maybe by doing so again, pushing through the mental barrier to just follow what her heart feels and what her body wants*, her mind will follow and unblock the memories.” - I thought Against the Universe theme that we got last season was as fairy tale-y as we would get, but if this season's going to give us a True Love's Kiss that will break the curse compulsion I'm honestly going to faint! ♥

”I did slo-mo it” - OH Thank you! I couldn't do that and I so wanted to know which moments she saw exactly.

” I'm not like the majority of the Damon/Elena fanbase in that I haven't been jonesing for a rain kiss.” - And here I was hoping you might know where this entire idea came from! I was late to the party (because apparently the fandom was waiting for this kiss for YEARS!!?) and I just heard about it earlier this year in the context of some spoilers/rumors and Michael Malarkey launching a rival mock-campaign on twitter. And I was wondering what inspired that rain kiss wish. I LOVED what we we got, but like you, a rain kiss was never on my must-happen DE scenes list.

”What I loved more than the kiss itself though was Damon's smiles beforehand.” - THIS ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ This smile was even happier than the 4x08. It was the HAPPIEST Damon smile we've EVER seen. Now we just need such a happy Damon in the present time! :]

”awesome in an entirely different way was Stefan and Caroline” - Yes, their scene was fantastic! And I also loved the earlier scene, after Enzo Carolined Caroline, so to speak, and just dropped *shocking* news on Stefan (whose reaction was absolutely adorable, btw ^^)

”I mean the non-spoken conversation that was going on between these three was priceless.” - Yes, it was awesome! Such a great, GREAT scene!
Arabian: Damon & Elena46arabian on November 17th, 2014 12:51 pm (UTC)
RE: part 1 of 2 (of course)
FYI: I added some stuff to the original post so if you don't mind slogging through it again, there are about 2-4 paragraphs, and a few gifs (in the random section) added here and there.

Hey, you told me last week Elena was not in denial! Lol! Guess at least she's now ;)

But, she hadn’t seen Damon last week, she hadn’t been in his presence, being with him, those ‘I don’t know what I feel’ feelings hadn’t had the opportunity to stir up and consume and confuse the hell out of her yet. Now they have, so, yes, *now* she’s in denial. Last week, she hadn’t had the opportunity, LOL!

But this is exactly what you predicted! That Damon would see that Elena is “happy” and step back!

It is, but I didn’t expect that Damon would try and fight for THEIR and HIS happiness first! And in doing so, I didn’t expect the dipshit to spend like only two-three hours doing so. I mean, give it time, dude. Especially when she was clearly, *clearly* questioning him on it. When she was clearly feeling stuff, no matter what she said, when she was clearly affected. But, no, sure, Damon, give up after one freaking night. Geesh!

And it's good, because now everything is in Elena's hands ♥

Yes, and I do think she’ll find herself drawn to him and it will be in her hands. I did edit my post to say that while I think that next week is a possibility, I’m thinking that the last episode before the break is just as likely too and I’m OK with that because I think we’ll continue to get good, angsty, tension-filled D/E stuff.

I actually didn't get guilt-tripping vibes from this scene.

I don’t think he was doing it deliberately, but it felt like guilt-tripping to her because she DID feel guilty. She’d already told him she felt guilty and then he was laying it on so thick. No, it wasn’t about her, it was about him and he wasn’t thinking about her, it was all about how crazy he was feeling, but it did make the guilt that much greater for her.

He wasn't judging her and saying or even implying “how could you”.

But SHE felt judged and I was looking at it from her point of view.

”He *lied* to her!” - But it doesn't count, because Elena totally knows he lied! Lol He told her it was his favorite memory

I thought that at first but then realized, no, she doesn’t realize it. She doesn’t know it was the same memory. She doesn’t know that the memory he said was his favorite is the same one that she was remembering bits and pieces of. She just remembered they were outside there were stars and then it started to rain, that doesn’t mean that it was THE memory that Damon was talking about. Remember ALL that Elena saw in her flashbacks were literally THOSE moments, nothing else that preceded or followed those moments, she had zero context for them if they didn’t have a greater context outside of Damon and a memory like that had no context outside of Damon.

”but I'm still holding out hope for next week” - Me too! But I guess the last December ep is also a likely possibility.

I’m leaning more towards that now actually. I just think it makes more sense to have more build-up now.

TBC
Florencia: DE (1x19)florencia7 on November 17th, 2014 08:23 pm (UTC)
Re: part 1 of 2 (of course)
”I added some stuff to the original post” - Thank you for letting me know!

OH That's a good catch with the Damon & Caroline pictures parallel ^^

”It took six seasons, but someone *finally* commented on Damon's pretty blue eyes! ” - hahaha That's SO true! ;D

”next week is a possibility, I’m thinking that the last episode before the break is just as likely too” - I guess it's because I'm hoping for Bonnie to come back in the last December episode that I think adding such a big DE moment would be too much and now I'm back to hoping that something important is going to happen on Thursday ^^
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on November 18th, 2014 12:38 pm (UTC)
Re: part 1 of 2 (of course)
”I added some stuff to the original post” - Thank you for letting me know!

I figured you'd appreciate the extra stuff I put in there. :)

OH That's a good catch with the Damon & Caroline pictures parallel ^^

I did actually pick up on it when I first watched the episode, but when I was going through the screencaps, I realized that I wanted to gif it because I really did find it an interesting parallel.

”next week is a possibility, I’m thinking that the last episode before the break is just as likely too” - I guess it's because I'm hoping for Bonnie to come back in the last December episode that I think adding such a big DE moment would be too much and now I'm back to hoping that something important is going to happen on Thursday ^^

Oh, I still think we're gonna have some big stuff happen next week, but I don't see why we can't have both Bonnie come back AND the Damon/Elena reunion. Or maybe it will be them showing up in 1994 that will end the episode before the hiatus? Dunno.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric04arabian on November 17th, 2014 12:52 pm (UTC)
RE: part 2 of 2
Random ~technical question: is the last December episode = mid-season finale?

Yes, we wouldn’t have a mid-season finale before a long hiatus, silly. LOL!

I thought Against the Universe theme that we got last season was as fairy tale-y as we would get, but if this season's going to give us a True Love's Kiss that will break the curse compulsion I'm honestly going to faint! ♥

When you put it that way... *sigh* I really hope so, but... bogwitch mentioned that Elena might see the necklace and that might be the key since we did see Damon pulling it out and moving it over. But I kinda would prefer that not be it since it does have ties to Stefan too.

[”I did slo-mo it”] - OH Thank you! I couldn't do that and I so wanted to know which moments she saw exactly.

I figured some people would like that.

RE: Rain kiss - And here I was hoping you might know where this entire idea came from!

I think it came from the two in the rain from “Let the Right One In?” I’m really not sure. And that was in season 01, so, that would explain the wanting it for years.

I LOVED what we we got, but like you, a rain kiss was never on my must-happen DE scenes list.

Basically, yeah.

This smile was even happier than the 4x08. It was the HAPPIEST Damon smile we've EVER seen.

I thought EXACTLY the same thing.

Now we just need such a happy Damon in the present time! :]

We will!

Yes, their scene was fantastic! And I also loved the earlier scene, after Enzo Carolined Caroline, so to speak, and just dropped *shocking* news on Stefan (whose reaction was absolutely adorable, btw ^^)

Their no words to describe how much I am beyond loving Stefan and Caroline this season. Just no words. Just like Damon and Bonnie, Stefan and Caroline are being written beyond my wildest dreams. Seriously, other than the offness of certain characters/relationships in 6.05, this season has been just perfection.

”I mean the non-spoken conversation that was going on between these three was priceless.” - Yes, it was awesome! Such a great, GREAT scene!

Superb!
Florencia: DE (In Silence)florencia7 on November 17th, 2014 08:27 pm (UTC)
Re: part 2 of 2
”Yes, we wouldn’t have a mid-season finale before a long hiatus, silly. LOL!” - Thank you for clearing that up! I actually don't think I ever *knew* knew that! Lol!

”Elena might see the necklace and that might be the key” - Nooooo Could we please leave the ugly necklace R.I.P.? Lol But now that you mentioned this... I don't think Damon took the necklace with him, BUT if Damon & Elena are going to go back to 1994, I think it IS very probably that Elena will see the necklace and THAT may crack the compulsion somehow!
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on November 18th, 2014 12:38 pm (UTC)
Re: part 2 of 2
Nooooo Could we please leave the ugly necklace R.I.P.?

Ditto.

But now that you mentioned this... I don't think Damon took the necklace with him, BUT if Damon & Elena are going to go back to 1994, I think it IS very probably that Elena will see the necklace and THAT may crack the compulsion somehow!

I would much prefer a kiss, thank you very much!

ETA: Way after the fact, just an FYI: I just saw this video interview with Julie Plec, and the rain kiss obsession DID come from "Let the Right One In." She goes into great detail about where the fan love from the idea came and about why they did it. It's actually pretty cool. And I love what she says at the end because she's saying that Damon and Elena get the "ultimate expression in love." Ahhhhh!

Anyhoo, here you go:



Edited at 2014-11-28 09:09 am (UTC)
Florencia: DE (Kiss) (6x07) (Rain)florencia7 on November 28th, 2014 09:09 pm (UTC)
Re: part 2 of 2
Ohhh That's so interesting that the idea DOES date back to S1. Wow. Fandom remembers! haha

& Yes, it is lovely that after years of trolling driving DE shippers crazy, Julie is now showing her true face of being a true DE shipper herself ;D (Like that wasn't obvious from the start, but anyway lol)
Arabian: Damon & Elena45arabian on December 1st, 2014 12:56 am (UTC)
RE: Re: part 2 of 2
I was pretty sure it was from the "Let the Right One In" scene because, duh, Damon and Elena were in the rain together and Damon DID take Elena's face in his hands and they were staring all intently in each other's eyes, but again I wasn't sure since I didn't start watching the show live until episode 19 and didn't get into the fandom until then so I didn't know for sure. Glad to know I was right.

Yeah, this whole idea that Julie wasn't a D/E shipper was always so silly. All throughout s1 and most of season 02, she was considered an honorary D/E shipper by the fanbase because she was so obvious, but she was too obvious basically and the S/E fanbase started to really go after her that she realized she needed to back off. So she did, then she went in the opposite direction to hide her bias and well, you know what happened. Now, the EPs, the writers, directors aren't even trying because it's so obvious the triangle is over, over, over. WHEE!!!!
Florencia: TVD (Stefan & Caroline)florencia7 on November 16th, 2014 02:12 am (UTC)
part II
”Stefan: So, tell me exactly why...” - Your clarification of Stefan's thought process was BEYOND HILARIOUS, I loved it ^^

”Obviously the first ain't happening, so aha!, we're getting the second” - WHOA! Wait a second. Really?!? Do you think we're really going to go back in time again?!? I kind of thought (still do) the first option was way more likely, but the latter one would definitely be more exciting. Plus, I wonder what impact would going back in time could potentially have on Elena's memory/compulsion? Hm...

”The realization that I do really think that Bonnie and Kai have chemistry.” - They so do! lol Although what worries me more, is this sudden, abstract fear that the writers will go for Liam/Bonnie, at least temporarily. This has me worried ever since Liam said to Elena in 6x03 “I hope you're not going to set me up with any other of your friends” or something like that. Paranoid, I know. (But then I thought I was being paranoid when in 5x01 I thought Damon's “Personally I'm planning on forgetting you the moment you walk out of the door” was foreshadowing of *some* sort and... one full season later it turned out that IT WAS! lol)

”THAT is Damon and Ric's awesometastic bromance.” - As much as I wasn't bothered by their scene in the previous episode, YES, this scene was SO MUCH BETTER! :D

”Honestly, though, I think I kinda would have preferred "New York" by Snow Patrol personally.” - haha It's funny, but for a second there, after the first notes that sounded so familiar, I actually thought it WAS “New York”! ^^

”Seriously, there is a comfort level it's like she doesn't even realize she has with him it's so comfortable.” - I was also thinking that during the scene with Liam when Damon put his hand on Elena's shoulder in that kind of a showy, possessive gesture. S1/S2!Elena would've totally pushed Damon's hand off her shoulder and yet in this scene Elena didn't even seem to contemplate pushing his hand away and didn't look bothered or annoyed at all.

”The director, Darren Genet, really did a great job with this episode.” - He really did. I loved so many moments in this episode that on top of being beautifully written were BEAUTIFULLY directed and the editing of the dancing scene was flawless. The double “I stepped in”, the camera work during Damon's words, it was all just perfect.

”She's still pretty anti-Damon/Elena. *sigh*” - Yes! You were right about the last episode not making it clear. Guess I let wishful thinking get the best of me ;) I just SO want Caroline to move past her anti-Damon moods already ;[

”Plus, we had Damon once again reminding us that he knows that Elena would prefer to be human and that he wanted that for her. Double uh huh.” - I really hope we won't tackle the whole becoming human drama until next season (if at all). We've had enough of that in S4 aka FIND THE CURE ;) I think Jo's explanation kind of ended the subject for the time being. I think they wouldn't be taking the time out of the episode to have that clarified if anyone else was going to turn human within the next several episodes.

”Because I'm also wondering why Michael Malarkey (Enzo) was even made a regular cast member at this point.” - Seeing how Caroline is now in the hating Stefan stage of their love story, I think Enzo may become a prominent character through hanging out with her ;)

”Can I just say that I adore just how much that the show isn't even pretending anymore that there is a triangle.” - YES! And did you notice that shot, after Damon said that he'd “explain on the dance floor”, that shot from the back that looked EXACTLY liked the shot we got in 3x14, only that now it wasn't Damon/Elena/Stefan, but only Damon/Elena. Even the way Elena walked and held onto Damon's shoulder was similar.

FANTASTIC post, as always!!! ♥ & Thank you so much for all the gifs!!! I love them!!! I even set one of them as my header ;D (credited you in my profile)

I'm so so so impatient for the next episode!!! IS IT THURSDAY YET!?!?!?
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline02arabian on November 17th, 2014 12:54 pm (UTC)
1 of 2 (of course again)
Your clarification of Stefan's thought process was BEYOND HILARIOUS, I loved it ^^

You can thank butterfly. When we were talking on the phone, I decided the best way to describe the layers of Sonnenshine’s writing was to describe what Stefan was *really* saying and I had so much fun with it, I had to include it in the post, LOL!

WHOA! Wait a second. Really?!? Do you think we're really going to go back in time again?!?

Don’t we have to? How else does Bonnie come back? She has no magic and neither does Kai. The only way to get back to 2014 is by using magic and it’s all bye-bye now and by Damon finding Mr. Cuddles, he now officially knows that Bonnie is alive. And since we know that Jo knows about storing magic, and with Liv/Luke as witches, plus, no doubt, they’re probably all a part of the Gemini coven they’ll know Mr. Cuddles is a magical bear so they’ll know there’s no magic in 1994. Therefore, the only way to get Bonnie back is that they have to send a group there (including a witch) to bring Bonnie back and strength to keep Kai at bay.

I kind of thought (still do) the first option was way more likely

So did I, until Bonnie sent her magic away.

Plus, I wonder what impact would going back in time could potentially have on Elena's memory/compulsion?

Unless she gets it back before they go back. Because I’m not thinking they’d go back in the next episode or two. But we’ll see...

Although what worries me more, is this sudden, abstract fear that the writers will go for Liam/Bonnie, at least temporarily.

I don’t think so, but, eh, maybe. I could see Bonnie being a wee bit upset that Jeremy went all skank-heaven when she “died.” But we’ll see. I still think that Liam is just here to be introduced to the group as part of the Scooby gang, but that does leave him open for Bonnie, so, I dunno.

As much as I wasn't bothered by their scene in the previous episode, YES, this scene was SO MUCH BETTER! :D

Because the scene in the last episode was NOT Damon and the real Alaric and their bromance!

You were right about the last episode not making it clear.

Ahem.

TC
Florencia: DE (Our Life)florencia7 on November 17th, 2014 08:30 pm (UTC)
Re: 1 of 2 (of course again)
”Don’t we have to? How else does Bonnie come back? ” - I was thinking that maybe Jo stored her magic *somewhere* in 1994 and Bonnie could find it??
Arabian: Damon & Elena33arabian on November 18th, 2014 12:39 pm (UTC)
Re: 1 of 2 (of course again)
”Don’t we have to? How else does Bonnie come back? ” - I was thinking that maybe Jo stored her magic *somewhere* in 1994 and Bonnie could find it??

But that's Kai's hell, not where Jo was from. Remember Kai's family was massacred in Portland, Oregon so she didn't grow up in Mystic Falls. I mean, she could have been there at some point but we've been given no indication that she has any history in Mystic Falls. I'm thinking he was stuck in Mystic Falls just because a Bennett witch did the spell. :shrugs:
Arabian: Damon & Elena42arabian on November 17th, 2014 12:55 pm (UTC)
RE: part 2 of 2
I just SO want Caroline to move past her anti-Damon moods already ;[

I’m hoping that Enzo will help with this. :shrugs: And, honestly, Stefan being in the doghouse is so not helping right now, but maybe when Elena remembers and Caroline sees how happy Elena is with Damon and doesn’t have her tunnel-visioned St. Stefan and Team!Stelena glasses to compare to that will help.

I really hope we won't tackle the whole becoming human drama until next season (if at all).

I don’t expect anything until the end of this season or next season, but I REALLY want it because I believe it’s what Elena and Damon both really want with each other.

I think Jo's explanation kind of ended the subject for the time being. I think they wouldn't be taking the time out of the episode to have that clarified if anyone else was going to turn human within the next several episodes.

Oh, so do I. It never crossed my mind—even before Jo’s explanation—that anything would happen before several episodes, if not towards the last quarter of the season honestly.

Seeing how Caroline is now in the hating Stefan stage of their love story, I think Enzo may become a prominent character through hanging out with her ;)

Oh, I think that goes without saying—which is why I didn’t mention it, LOL!—but I still think that Matt and Enzo’s mutual antagonism will become a thing and part of a bigger story possibly. I fully expect a Stefan/Caroline/Enzo triangle with Enzo taking the lead for now.

And did you notice that shot, after Damon said that he'd “explain on the dance floor”, that shot from the back that looked EXACTLY liked the shot we got in 3x14

No, but then I still have bitter 3x14 memories, so that might explain it, LOL! (I did just go through screencaps though and noticed it then.)

FANTASTIC post, as always!!! ♥ & Thank you so much for all the gifs!!! I love them!!! I even set one of them as my header ;D (credited you in my profile)

You’re welcome. And I saw, pretty!

I'm so so so impatient for the next episode!!! IS IT THURSDAY YET!?!?!?

I love this show desperately, but Damon/Elena Vampire Diaries is so much more EEEEEEEE!! then non-Damon/Elena TVD, you know? I mean, the first five episodes were fantastic and I loved them, but there wasn’t much D/E, but now that they’re together-ish again? I’m all... GIVE ME MY FREAKING SHOW NOW!!!!
Frust-sheep: sheep: *aww*frust_sheep on November 16th, 2014 08:43 pm (UTC)
I grinned and cried like crazy this episode again. *lol* :D
Anyway thanks again for your insightful entry. :)
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on November 17th, 2014 12:55 pm (UTC)
Yup, this season is just rocking!

Thank you muchly. :)
tj2013tj2013 on November 17th, 2014 01:44 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your awesome post! And the gifs.

Yeah, Damon's smile during the rainkiss made me grin at my screen. He was so happy, man, we need more happy Damon!


Especially when Damon, again, yeah, gave up after one freaking night of trying to get her memories back!

I thought the same thing about Damon giving up after one evening - but... I would say his reaction ties into his self-esteem issues. Deep down he still believes he is not good for Elena, that, love be damned, she is better off without him because he is not a good person. And so he tries to end it before it gets too hard, again.

How did Tripp not know Enzo had turned him into a vampire? The way the magic affected him he wasn't simply in transition, was he? He got really turned? And he simply walked over the border? Hmmm...

I didn't catch the parallel with the photograph both Damon and Caroline turned downwards - nice!

Loved the moment Damon took Ms Cuddles and hold her close to his chest.

Kai used to point with Ms Cuddles the same way as Damon did in Season 1 in Elena's room - and I thought hey, that's Damon's move, dude. Take your hands off the bear! LOL.

Stefan and Caroline? Awesome. But your dialogues were even better, LOL. Hilarious.

I continue to really enjoy the heck out of this season
This!!!!!!
Arabian: Damon18arabian on November 18th, 2014 12:40 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your awesome post! And the gifs.

You're welcome. :)

Yeah, Damon's smile during the rainkiss made me grin at my screen. He was so happy, man, we need more happy Damon!

So agreed!

I thought the same thing about Damon giving up after one evening - but... I would say his reaction ties into his self-esteem issues.

Very true, and that is what I said the whole thing was about, right?

Deep down he still believes he is not good for Elena, that, love be damned, she is better off without him because he is not a good person. And so he tries to end it before it gets too hard, again.

Very, very true. *sigh*

How did Tripp not know Enzo had turned him into a vampire? The way the magic affected him he wasn't simply in transition, was he? He got really turned? And he simply walked over the border? Hmmm...

Hmm, very good point. Maybe we'll find out that Enzo threatened to kill his boys if he Tripp said anything?

I didn't catch the parallel with the photograph both Damon and Caroline turned downwards - nice!

Yeah, I thought so.

Stefan and Caroline? Awesome. But your dialogues were even better, LOL. Hilarious.

Thank you muchly. *sigh* Hilarious, yes, but the actual words, especially in that last scene... so heartbreaking. Oh, Stefan. Oh, Caroline.
tj2013tj2013 on November 18th, 2014 10:55 pm (UTC)
Very true, and that is what I said the whole thing was about, right?
Yes, you did!

Oh, and when Elena grabbed Damon's drink I was kinda reminded of her birthday party where she did the same thing. Gotta love the TVD gods and their parallels, LOL.

Totally, totally called it. (Damn, do I know this show? Yes, I do.)
You rock! Seriously.

Maybe we'll find out that Enzo threatened to kill his boys if he Tripp said anything?
Sounds plausible. Maybe we'll get an explanation.
Arabian: Damon & Elena13arabian on November 19th, 2014 12:02 am (UTC)
Yeah, maybe we'll get an explanation, we generally do when it's something confusing in one episode. WE'll see.

I did think that her grabbing his drink was like the 3.01 drink-grab myself too. :)
tj2013tj2013 on November 19th, 2014 07:04 am (UTC)
Nina
Did anyone else feel like Elena was kinda reminiscent of Elena with her switch off in some of her scenes with Damon, like, yeah, part of her was switched off? I felt like Nina Dobrev played it that way deliberately so. Obviously not all of it, not always, but just moments here and there before Damon would break through and wrest some response from her that her heart, her body instinctively remembered before her blanked memories and thus her switched off-head took control.

This!!! And these are very subtle clues to play with. Nina Dobrev is sooooo amazing. I mean, you have to know the show to realize what exactly she is doing there, but it is there and she really knows her Elena :-)
Arabian: NinaDobrev08arabian on November 24th, 2014 01:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Nina
RE: Nina playing Elena slightly switch-off: This!!! And these are very subtle clues to play with. Nina Dobrev is sooooo amazing. I mean, you have to know the show to realize what exactly she is doing there, but it is there and she really knows her Elena :-)

So, it wasn't just me who got that sense a bit! It was totally there a bit, wasn't it? Yes, she really does know this character inside out. And I suspect we'll get more little moments and goodies like this because she really only has Elena to play with now with Katherine gone.
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on November 17th, 2014 04:55 pm (UTC)
A bit late but still. Here's my little bit.

I continue to love this season. And as you said we only just got DE together on screen. As painful as it is it is also beautiful. Though hope Liam is out of the love contest competition. I have a feeling that that is the case.

All DE scenes were amazing and I cannot stop re watching them. And Damon's face in the rain scene was out of this world. That just about slayed me. I want to see him like this all the time. The man needs to smile more often if not always. The love, the happiness. I know it's coming.

I 'm really curious how their big reunion will happen and how Elena will regain her memories.

Damon will now surely focus on getting Bonnie back. I also think that the magic stored in the bear is significant. It holds Bennet magic and I think that Jo might get it from the bear and help to go back in time or whatever needs to happen to get Bonnie back ... Isn't it what was needed? Bennet magic to get them back? Or did I miss anything?

Enjoying Caroline/Stefan interactions. His reactions and cluelessness are cute and funny.

I think Caroline is projecting Salvatore disheartenment onto Elena when it comes to Damon. She is not happy with Stefan and "hates" him now so she in a way needs Elena on her No Salvatore team. At least I think so. If she was happy with Stefan I'm sure her reactions to Damon would be different.

You are right I also see chemistry between Bonnie and Kai. You aren't alone.

I had the same problem with Jo in this episode. Throwing Liam and his achievements etc into his face? This guy just came from dead after saving people including Ric. Rubbing it in his face. Ric also not giving him that much support when it comes to Elena. Damon possibly lost the love of his life and none of them give him any comfort. This guy died for them...
I didn't like it at all. Jo is to full of herself in my opinion.

Curious of what Tripp's death repercussions will be. Or is that it? Matt was not happy at all. Wonder if his stance on his vampire friends might change a bit. At least some.

I love TVD's music selection. Every single episode I discover new stuff and am amazed how perfect many of the choices are per scene or characters.

I cannot wait for more of the show.

Thank you again for your review.
Arabian: Damon05arabian on November 18th, 2014 12:42 pm (UTC)
I continue to love this season. And as you said we only just got DE together on screen. As painful as it is it is also beautiful. Though hope Liam is out of the love contest competition. I have a feeling that that is the case.

I'm hopeful about Liam too. I mean, it's not like Elena is really that into him at all. And, yes, the season is just great and beautifully painful, or painfully beautiful?

All DE scenes were amazing and I cannot stop re watching them. And Damon's face in the rain scene was out of this world. That just about slayed me.

Yes, yes, yes!!!

I want to see him like this all the time. The man needs to smile more often if not always. The love, the happiness. I know it's coming.

It is, it is and dangit, we better get tons and tons of happy times to make up for this!

I 'm really curious how their big reunion will happen and how Elena will regain her memories.

ME TOO!

Damon will now surely focus on getting Bonnie back.

Yup, and Elena will see even more how awesome he is!

I also think that the magic stored in the bear is significant. [...]Isn't it what was needed? Bennet magic to get them back? Or did I miss anything?

Yeah, it was created by a Bennett spell, so they need Bonnie's magic.

I think Caroline is projecting Salvatore disheartenment onto Elena when it comes to Damon. She is not happy with Stefan and "hates" him now so she in a way needs Elena on her No Salvatore team. At least I think so. If she was happy with Stefan I'm sure her reactions to Damon would be different.

Eh, I don't know, it's not like we've ever seen her be team!Damon since she started hating him, so I'm not thinking so.

I had the same problem with Jo in this episode. Throwing Liam and his achievements etc into his face? This guy just came from dead after saving people including Ric. Rubbing it in his face.

Yeah, what a beeyotch!

Ric also not giving him that much support when it comes to Elena. Damon possibly lost the love of his life and none of them give him any comfort. This guy died for them...

But that's Ric and Damon's friendship, they're snarky and such and Ric has earned it and there is love and affection mixed in with it. Jo? Has not even remotely earned it.

I didn't like it at all. Jo is to full of herself in my opinion.

Agreed.

Curious of what Tripp's death repercussions will be. Or is that it? Matt was not happy at all. Wonder if his stance on his vampire friends might change a bit. At least some.

Oh, I think they'll be repercussions with Matt, and like I said, possibly with Matt and Enzo.

I love TVD's music selection. Every single episode I discover new stuff and am amazed how perfect many of the choices are per scene or characters.

I love some of them so much, but then not always. Some are perfect, others I'm eh on. For instance, I really didn't like the song choice for the rain kiss. The lyrics just killed it for me, I thought they were an awful song choice for Damon/Elena period and for something like that? It just broke my heart that they chose such a song for it. Ugh.
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on November 18th, 2014 03:10 pm (UTC)
Strangely I didn't focus on the lyrics of the rain song. I will have to then. I weird of me.
I hope noting ominous. I know how TVD's songs are relevant.
Arabian: Damon & Elena46arabian on November 19th, 2014 12:01 am (UTC)
Apparently that's a really popular romantic song so in this case I don't think the lyrics matter, it was more the mood which they also go for. It just isn't a song that I'm familiar with so I wasn't all ooh!aah! over it. The lyrics are all just about a guy who doesn't have love in him anymore for this girl because he spent them all on another love. And that just doesn't fit the situation at all! It's just weird. But, yeah, not ominous because it doesn't in anyway fit them or could fit them. It was just a mood thing, but the lyrics bugged me so much I couldn't enjoy it.
Alisha: DC Joey/Pacey Comfortkalishaka on November 17th, 2014 10:43 pm (UTC)
I'm all caught up. There is no new episode just seconds away from me. I don't know what to do with myself.

- That Jo reveal was no subtle. But at least now we know how she plays in, and I am comfortable with that. It makes for a good way to weave her into the story a bit more organically than 'Alaric's love interest' so yay for that. Also I am pretty much completely convinced of the twins/Gemini coven connection.

- I'm still so confused by the whole Tripp storyline if they were just going to kill him off like that. What is the point of Enzo? I say this as someone that really has grown to enjoy Enzo. There was so much potential and then nothing.

- Liv/Tyler continues to be fun. I enjoy their small little moments, but I'm ready for them to sort of slot back into the larger group.

- Damon and Elena, I don't know. Like everything is in character. I do not at all want to detract from it. They are telling a good story, but I am watching it with just...a tiny tinge of annoyance because it feels like intentional angst for two characters that didn't need it on top of everything else. And while in some ways it might be good for their relationship growth....it feels weird to put that on an Elena who doesn't have all of her memories. It just is really not sitting comfortably with me. I hope it resolves soon and doesn't get dragged out for too long. I respect the story, I respect the reason for it, I will enjoy watching it unfold, I will just be happy when it resolves.

- Wow. Stefan and Caroline. Wow. I do not even know what to say. I don't. Because it was just so raw and honest. (And now you are on my phone...but STEFAN AND CAROLINE!)
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline10arabian on November 18th, 2014 12:45 pm (UTC)
I'm all caught up. There is no new episode just seconds away from me. I don't know what to do with myself.

Like the rest of us mere TVD-mortals. Alas.

- That Jo reveal was no subtle.

And I loved it. I love how the show doesn't drag out totally obvious things. Everyone had figured out after the last episode that Jo was Kai's sister, and so they totally confirm it in the next one. Yuppers.

Also I am pretty much completely convinced of the twins/Gemini coven connection.

Me too.

I'm still so confused by the whole Tripp storyline if they were just going to kill him off like that. What is the point of Enzo? I say this as someone that really has grown to enjoy Enzo. There was so much potential and then nothing.

I'm almost entirely convinced it's going to be tied up into Matt's storyline. I really am. And that Enzo of course isn't just done there too, he's totally going to be part of the Stefan/Caroline story too, I think.

- Liv/Tyler continues to be fun. I enjoy their small little moments, but I'm ready for them to sort of slot back into the larger group.

Here comes the Gemini coven arc!

- Damon and Elena, I don't know. Like everything is in character. I do not at all want to detract from it. They are telling a good story, but I am watching it with just...a tiny tinge of annoyance because it feels like intentional angst for two characters that didn't need it on top of everything else.

I disagree that it wasn't needed. Damon NEEDS to deal with his self-esteem issues and Elena needs to realize that he HAS these horrible issues. That he could let her go so easily because of his issues is something they both need to deal with and without this story arc, it wouldn't have happened, oh, until another "The Cell" came along. And I certainly wouldn't have wanted that. This is MUCH better.

And while in some ways it might be good for their relationship growth....it feels weird to put that on an Elena who doesn't have all of her memories.

But it's not on Elena. That's the beauty of having DAMON make the choice to let her go when ELENA was willing to work on it. This way it wasn't on Elena at all. And if/when Elena decides to push for it, the GOOD PUSH is on her this time INSTEAD of on Damon as it has been throughout the entirety of their relationship thus far (remember her telling him in 5.17 that she wanted to fight for him, for them? Well, now we may actually get to see that in action). This turns the tables in the best way possible.

I hope it resolves soon and doesn't get dragged out for too long.

I still think we'll get it by the winter finale. I sure hope so anyway!

- Wow. Stefan and Caroline. Wow. I do not even know what to say. I don't. Because it was just so raw and honest. (And now you are on my phone...but STEFAN AND CAROLINE!)

Toldja they were beyond awesome!! :D
(Anonymous) on November 19th, 2014 01:47 pm (UTC)
Damon really gave up very fast, but I think this might just be the thing that makes Elena fall in love with him again. The key memory Ric had to erase was the one about the necklace. In that memory Elena realized that Damon puts her happiness before his own. This is the same here. He thinks she's happy and therefore backs away. Even if she can't remember any of his selfless acts from before, Elena will remember this one. And I really hope we will then see her fight for their love and eventually break the compulsion.
Arabian: Damon & Elena45arabian on November 24th, 2014 01:14 pm (UTC)
Damon really gave up very fast, but I think this might just be the thing that makes Elena fall in love with him again. The key memory Ric had to erase was the one about the necklace. In that memory Elena realized that Damon puts her happiness before his own. This is the same here. He thinks she's happy and therefore backs away. Even if she can't remember any of his selfless acts from before, Elena will remember this one. And I really hope we will then see her fight for their love and eventually break the compulsion.

Oh, I don't disagree that this will be a part of it. Totally, it was just a little frustrating, I mean, come on, Damon. But, yes, yes, you're totally right. I'm just... DAMON!!! Grr! LOL!

Edited at 2014-12-01 12:52 am (UTC)