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31 October 2014 @ 05:35 am
6.05 - 'The World Has Turned and Left Me Here' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Yay, I got my post up before the following day this time! Woohoo!! So, happy Halloween everyone. Plenty of thoughts behind the cut. What a non-shock!

So the last episode was all about fan-freaking-tastic character development and dropping and adding up some plot points from the previous episodes and leading up into upcoming ones. This one was all about action, emotional OMG!moments and set-up that I'd say paid off pretty well. I, for one, was pretty durn satisfied. Oh, yes.

As before when they were featured, let's just get them out of the way and start with Elena and Liam. I think (*think* being the key word) that the point of this burgeoning relationship is about bringing Liam into the gang. OK, wait, back up. Let me step behind the scenes first. I have heard some rumblings that there is likely going to be a seventh season after all provided that we get our three main stars (Nina Dobrev, Ian Somerhalder and Paul Wesley) signed on for another year and that the plan is to set up most of the cast they have now, plus some new characters, minus those three (and potentially others, I presume—but I have no idea who the others would be).

I'm thinking that Liv is almost certainly one of them at this point, Sarah potentially as she is a Salvatore, and… Liam. So Liam is introduced, he's brought into the group via our main character, Elena, right? Right. He's good-looking, smart, friendly. Also, he's got a bit of a back story with money we know from "Welcome to Paradise" that can be explored at some point with some possible mystery there. And this episode shows that he's a good guy* with a good head on his shoulders and he can handle himself in a crisis; he picks up on things, but doesn't go off all half-cocked.

*Yes, I do think he's a good guy now, unless they pull something out later down the road—which with this show is totes possible—but at this point, I do think he's one of the good ones. And I gotta say I did find myself really liking him after this episode. His character hit all the right beats as a genuinely good guy. I liked.

OK, fine, whatever, you may be saying, that's all good and well, but why is the show making him a quasi-love interest for Elena when we all know that as soon as Damon comes back into the picture, Liam is dunzo? That's where the awesome that is Elena Gilbert comes into play. Most characters in this situation would play the avoidance game, and give the guy the brush-off, all awkward and make it clear that the budding romance is a thing of the past and it's best to just keep it there… in the past. Elena, however, doesn't play that way.

It's not Liam's fault, he's a nice guy and she likes him as a person and she'll have to see him in class after all, so she'll want to ease any awkwardness. Therefore, she will go out of her way to try and make it up to him, to let him know that she knows that it's not his fault. She will try and befriend him anew and make things "right" between them. She will also try and make Damon be cool with him (because I'm still so expecting Damon to walk in on Elena and Liam together—although I would so love the show not being predictable like that). Because that's how Elena rolls! Because she's awesome! Yuppers!

What this also accomplishes is it allows the show to set up Liam as sympathetic for viewers. Now we want to see him find some success in the love department since, again, so not his fault that he lost out on Elena because her boyfriend came back from, you know, the dead and all. And on top of the sympathy card, you've got the fact that Liam has now seen the squirreliness of the vampire-healing even if he doesn't quite realize it and he's not stupid, and once Elena is no longer in the cards, so to speak, he likely won't brush aside comments like 'hey, sometimes miracles just happen' and it can't be explained with a 'why does a baby take its first breath?' (excuse me while I roll my eyes). So, long rambling paragraph later, yeah, I think Liam is just being brought into the group via Elena and it's as opposed to Caroline because Caroline, of course, has her own story going on.

You know, the whole 'he's not that into you' Stefan saga. Oh, Caroline. On one hand, I feel for Caroline, I do. When we were introduced to her, she was used to being second-best, everyone always put Elena first, it was such with Bonnie, and Stefan. Damon didn't care about her at all, then of course there was the whole rollercoaster with Matt. Caroline was just never… enough. And then all of a sudden Caroline became the 'it' girl. Tyler was all about her, Matt wanted her back and then Klaus, this all-powerful, practically indestructible being wanted her and would do just about anything for *her* and now?

Well, now she's back to being the girl where the guy is just not that into her. And it doubly sucks because this is a guy who she practically considered her best friend and had barely even admitted to herself that she had any less-than-platonic feelings for. And then on top of that, he's being a total jerk, not returning her calls, making her wish for his even-bigger-jerk of a brother (to her) back from the dead and just all around making her life more miserable than it is right now. It just triply sucks for Caroline. And she doesn't even have *anyone* at all to vent to about it. Then along comes Ivy, her new vampire so-non-bestie. Poor Caroline. I feel for her. I do.

But, who I feel more for is Stefan. I'm sorry, ya'll, I do. I know that Stefan is being a jerk. I know that Stefan is making pretty much every wrong choice he could possibly be making right now. I get that, totally and completely. I so get that. But… I called it. I so called it. I wrote this in reply to someone after "Welcome to Paradise:"

Stefan is so completely lost and screwed up. Listening to fucking Lexi for 100+ years was a huge part of the reason he is so messed up. Yes, she had good intentions, but she was so very, very wrong in all she taught him. Ugh! And right now he is so steeped in a level of grief that he's not thinking straight, he's lost beyond where even Elena was because unlike Elena, he's beyond denial because he never admitted how deep his love for Damon was. Elena and Damon had gotten to a mostly good place. Stefan and Damon were still fucked up so badly. Yup, so completely lost. Yup, yup, yup.

I do think I nailed Stefan and his emotional state. Because, yeah, Stefan finally admitted that he's just lost without his big brother. Oh, Stefan, my poor boo. And this is why despite all of the so many wrong decisions that he's been making I still have been feeling so much for him. And why as much as I've felt for Caroline, and as much as I was cheering on Enzo for getting on Stefan for giving up on Damon and why I can see Alaric's point of view in this episode, well, I'm still rather annoyed with the lot of them too.

I just feel like none of them are trying hard enough to see Stefan's pain. It's rather similar to how after Damon and Elena broke up last season and everyone was there for Elena, but there was no one there for Damon's pain. I feel similarly for Stefan. Just because he's hiding his pain and shutting down doesn't mean that he's not suffering. The fact that he's acting so un-Stefan-like *should* be a shining, neon clue that Stefan is freaking the ever-loving-fuck out over the loss of his brother and is not handling this well. And instead of trying to be there for Stefan despite how poorly he's handling this, his "friends" are either not there for him or are ignoring his completely out-of0-character behavior and turning on him.

I wrote in my write-up about the premiere the fact that the others, except for Caroline, weren't contacting Stefan to reach out to him, but rather to find out about his progress in bringing Damon back, but hadn't realized the significance of it in regards to the isolation of Stefan and how similar it was to the treatment that Damon would get at times (a lot of times) that would frustrate me. And what happened in this episode really brought that home to roost.

As I said above, I understood where Ric was coming from, but I felt way more for Stefan because when his response to Stefan's "he's my brother" is "he's my best friend," I just can't have this huge amount of sympathy for Ric in response. Damon and Ric had that relationship for a few years but Stefan and Damon had this intense sibling relationship of one hundred and seventy plus years, and unlike, Stefan, Ric has had people there for him.

Yes, you can say that Stefan pushed people away, but with how he's been acting so un-Stefan-like, it's pretty clear that he's not handling this well and could use his so-called friends to be there for him for longer than four months after his brother died and try and help him find himself. They're there for Elena, for Ric, for Caroline, for Jeremy. Yes, Stefan left, but he's there now… stop pushing him away just because he's being a jerk, understand why he's being a jerk. Don't get me wrong, there's a part of me that's happy to see that the Scooby Gang will treat Stefan as crappily as they did Damon when he didn't act according to their guidelines, but it pisses me off just as much because, dangit, Stefan is supposed to be one of their own just as Damon is. Treat the Salvatores better, yo!

It reminds me of Damon telling Stefan in "1912" that he was all he's got and a part of me wonders at the end of the day, will that be how it is? Will they be all the other has? But no, it won't be that, because, I don't include Elena with the others because Elena almost always treated Damon better than anyone else. The only time she didn't was after he killed Jeremy and *that* was certainly understandable. And she's the only one who's treated Stefan well and been understandable about his choices since Damon's death, even thinking that she hates him. Go on with your bad self, Elena Gilbert. Garsh, I love her. And I love the brothers Salvatore. That scene, man, that scene. You all know what I'm talking about.

 
 

Do I even need to say anything? No.

But I will anyway because I'm me. Stefan finally admitting to himself that he's lost without Damon. Damon, of course, showing up in the Salvatore crypt. And showing up when Stefan needs him the most. Stefan reaching out to touch him, his eyes shining with unshed tears, wanting to desperately believe that his brother is actually, somehow, miraculously there… and he is. And then he hugged him, but he didn't just hug him, he grabbed him, yanked him, pulled him so fiercely into his arms into such a fervent embrace it was absolutely beautiful. I'm tearing up just thinking about it. Stefan was just clinging to his big brother, and Damon was clapping onto his back and Stefan was crying, practically burying his head into Damon's shoulder and it was just, oh, dear Lord, it was beautiful. Just so beautiful. I cried. Hell yeah, I cried.

Oh, Stefan, oh, Damon, oh, my Salvatore Brothers, reunited. It only took about 150 years to get here (although, we came close in the '40s) but we finally got from this to this again:

 

Oh, my boys! *sigh*

I love them so! They made me cry! But they weren't the only ones who made me cry. Bonnie! No! When I realized that she was sending Damon back (forward) without her, I literally cried aloud "Bonnie! Nooooo!" because, Bonnie, noooo! And I was tearing up just like she was. And it just broke my heart that moments before she sent Damon back to 2014 without her in order to get at least one of them through, Damon had been telling her to go through without him. I just love so much that this is where their relationship is now, that they are basically willing to give up the other's happiness and safety for the other's… because that's love. Aww.

I also completely adored the callbacks to their earlier white light moments both for the callback-ness of it, but also for the relationship aspect of it because it completely called into play something that I had talked about before. One of the reasons why I wanted to see Bonnie and Damon as friends is because I felt that Damon needed someone like Bonnie in his life. I wrote in my write-up for "Home," that "I would love to see Damon have a friend who is not sarcastic or snarky" (because, of course, right now his only candidates are really Alaric and Enzo and both are sarcastic and/or snarky).

Well, when Damon threw back that there are a billion other people she'd rather be with line at her, when they'd "died" Bonnie had snarked back at him then "at least a couple of thousand." But now their relationship means something to her; it's real and deeper. She considers Damon a true friend and so in this moment that matters, she gave him a true, non-sarcastic or snarky answer. Because that is who Bonnie is. In the moments that matter, she is sincere and she wears her heart on her sleeve.

When she cares, she wants you to know that and doesn't hide it behind quips and one-liners. She lets you know that you are important and Damon having someone like that as a friend (and not just like the lover that he has in Elena) is wonderful. And, again, exactly what I wanted and Damon needed. (Seriously, the show could *not* have written the Damon and Bonnie friendship better if I had stood over them with kittens and puppies as bribes!)

So, of course, I have faith that Bonnie will come back because this show and its writers are awesome-sauce. And I'm thinking it has something to do with the fact that every day starts over anew in 1994 and so the Ascendant should be brand-spanking new all over again the next day. However, it should also be hidden again wherever Kai has it. Therefore I'm expecting some sort of cat-and-mouse game between Kai and Bonnie because they both need each other to get back/forward to 2014. Bonnie needs the Ascendant from Kai, and Kai needs Bonnie's Bennett blood. Kai probably thinks he can convince/tempt Bonnie to give in because he doesn't know Bonnie like we do. She won't.

However, Damon is in 2014 now and knows that Kai was trapped there by the Gemini Coven and so he will be planning on tracking them down so that he can figure out how to get his witch back! The good thing for Damon is that Enzo and Stefan already know about them. They just have to figure out how to get that coven to work with them because something tells me that Damon Salvatore—and no doubt, Elena and Jeremy Gilbert, and Caroline Forbes—are not going to rest until Bonnie Bennett is brought back to the future, thank you very much. So whether they be liking it or not, somehow, the Gemini Coven is going to be helping. And good for that because there is no way that Bonnie is staying in 1994. Harrumph!

What I am surprisingly not harrumphing about? Well, I guess it's not a surprise since I did say that I was intrigued by Tyler's story in the finale and I haven't bitched about him or talked about him wanting to die so far this season, but prior to the finale this would have been surprising, and whoa! run-on sentence from hell. Anyhoo, I'm really, really liking Tyler's story, and yes, I officially ship Liv and Tyler. I do. I made a tag, I made an icon… I officially ship them.

I really just loved what happened with them in this episode. Heck, I loved what happened with Tyler in this episode. When he hit the guy that Ivy bit (more on Ivy later), I was like 'oh noes! He's going to become a werewolf!' and then, and then, and then! when he blacked out and crashed into the Homecoming maze festivities and all of those people were there and I realized what that meant, well, my jaw dropped! And that was the middle of the freaking episode! This show!! O. M. G! For reals!

I was so feeling for Tyler, and then he called Elena all desperate to get her there so she could save this guy so that he didn't turn and she had to tell him about all of the other people he hit and it was like holy cripes! Thank goodness there was a doctor, a capable med student (Elena, not talking about you!) and a vampire (yeah, that would be you, Elena) on hand to keep all of those injured from becoming dead. Oh, and Liv. Thank goodness for Liv.

When Tyler realized that this guy was going to die and what it meant, accident or not (and, uhm, that's why we don't text—even just to read our texts!—and drive, kids!) he was still going to become a werewolf again, I did feel so much for him. And Liv has been fighting her feelings for Tyler. She doesn't want to care about him because she's had a first row view of what happens when you care too much. With a twin, she knows what happens when you care too much. It's a weakness; they are used against you. You become weak.

So she's been fighting caring, but Tyler has been trying to be the best version of himself, a better person, a better man… a good person and she sees that and she likes him. She cares, damnit, and when you see someone you care about suffering it's hard not to get involved and help. So she helped. At first I thought that she was just doing some magic to bring the guy back from the brink until Elena could get there, but then I realized what exactly she was doing and I gasped, truly gasped. Yes, the guy was going to die. Nothing short of a vampire showing up in the next five seconds was going to save this guy's life, but he wasn't dead yet and Liv literally killed him to keep Tyler from technically committing the act himself and I was just whoa. I mean, whoa.

And then in their final scene, I was feeling it. Way more than I ever have in any Tyler and Caroline scenes. In all of the scenes where Caroline was helping Tyler, it felt like Caroline was helping her friend, one of the gang and Tyler was grateful and his love for her was built on this foundation of worshipful gratitude. I just didn't buy it (and the lack of romantic and sexual chemistry between the two actors didn't work for me either). But these two, first off, I do think they have chemistry, and secondly, I'm buying what the show is selling. When he's telling her you did this to save me, it didn't feel like worship, it felt like a special connection between them. And when she saved him, she didn't do it because he was one of the gang, she did it because he was Tyler. They're giving me the squees.

 

Also squee-worthy? Ivy. Please don't let her be dead. Don't kill her, show. I kinda liked her as human, but she didn't make a huge impression on me, she was just OK, I just liked her. But as a vampire? She's a hoot. I am loving her. Cracking me up, pissed at Stefan for lying to her, annoyed at being stuck in a trunk, acknowledging that she sucks at being a vampire when she sucks at it. Oh, poor Ivy. I love you already. Tripp, do not kill her!

Speaking of Tripp. Tripp, Tripp, Tripp. We need to have some words. OK, so obviously, while Enzo may have sent him in the direction of Savannah, he didn't technically give Stefan up (which is way better than what Stefan did to him—Stefan! Bad, bad Stefan!), still, not cool, Enzo. Especially after you just turned poor Ivy! I mean, come on. Tsk, tsk.

Still, not surprised at all that he kept his mouth shut about the vampires in Mystic Falls. I had to laugh at Tripp's 'I guess there aren't any real vampire problems around her, Enzo would have told me considering all the torture I threw his way.' Bwahahahaha! Oh, Tripp, there's nothing you can throw at him he hasn't seen a thousand times over and a million times worse, buddy. Lovely little throw-away line that I was soooo waiting for. Thank you, show, for not disappointing.

Now, now, now, what will happen next? Caroline knows about (poor) Ivy being kidnapped by Tripp and I wonder (and rather do think) that this will lead to Stefan confessing that he let Enzo be kidnapped by Tripp (bad, bad Stefan!) when the group gets together and Matt tells what he knows about Enzo. Oh, Stefan ish's gonna hit the fan, but it's OK, you've got Damon back to clean up your messes again! Yay! Damon's back! *Sigh* One more time for the road!!

 

I have to say I'm happy they did the Damon and Stefan reunion *yay! and sobs!* in this episode saving the Damon and Elena reunion *be still my beating heart* for the next episode. Although, I still think it's quite possible that Damon will come upon Elena with Liam and possibly pull the whole 'she's happy without me card,' but with Elena knowing she has the selective amnesia, Liam knowing about the dead boyfriend named Damon, the two different ways she can get her memory back (Ric and stepping over the Mystic Falls border for two seconds and then back), I just don't see how it won't happen. Plus, ooh, with the dead boyfriend suddenly coming back, that's yet another 'hmm!' thing to add to Liam's 'WTF?' is going on with this girl list to bring him with the gang. Uh huh.

Oh, right, Ric's compulsion. I know a certain someone will bring that up since it didn't work with Jo that such might be proof it's not going to work when he goes to uncompel Elena, but I still don't know. It could happen, of course, but I still don't see it because it's showing no signs of wearing off in Elena. It just seems to be something a bit hinky with Jo. Ah, yes, and speaking of Jo. Yeah, not buying it. You can't have Alaric say she's the sexiest woman he's ever seen when he's been paired with Mia Kirshner, Sara Canning and Torrey Devitto and Jodi Lyn O'Keefe who, yes, in her younger days was very sexy, but, while still attractive, compared to Matt Davis, she looks older and quite tired-looking next to him. It's just not working, show. And the complete and utter lack of chemistry… just no.

Still, everything else with the episode (OK, because I am a Damon/Elena fan, except for Elena kissing Liam too) was a yes, yes, yes! Now… onto the randoms—

- No Matt, Jeremy or Enzo. So, uhm, let's not hear it for the boys, then?

- Damon looked hot in his white tee, and unbuttoned button-down. Mmhmm, but his hair is too inky black again, still it's not horrifically so at least. Ah well, at least he still he looks very hot. Always pretty to look at. Thank you, Ian Somerhalder's parents and their genetics.

- I loved when Bonnie was testing Kai and it looked like he was going to kill her and Damon was all "Bonnie, Bonnie, Bonnie!" all worried. Aww, but he trusted her to know what she was doing and let her do her thing.

- Hahaa! I called it all the way back to my write up of the finale. It would be four to six episodes before Damon and, well, OK, Bonnie (wah!!) came back. I mean, Damon came back in the last scene of episode 5, can't get much closer to perfect in calling it than that when you say between episodes four to six, right? Uh huh. Go me!

- OK, so, yes, fine, Damon is still a vampire. End of. He just caught that bottle Stefan threw, no problem. What was the point of Damon unable to lift that beam then in the finale? I wonder if the original plan was to make him human, but they changed their minds while breaking down season 06? Hmmm…..

- Aha! See, I said that Elena losing memories of Damon would also mean losing parts of who she is now. No, a "hero" is not her type. That was the old Elena who saw things only in black and white, Elena now sees things in shades of gray. And, erm, Elena if you were a better medical student you would realize that what he did was what good med students/doctors are supposed to do and that what you were doing was called "cheating." I mean, good on Liam, but really, girl? Oh and Nina Dobrev and Marco James (Liam)? Dude, no chemistry, like at all.

And, no, this is not my shipper goggles talking. She and Shaun Sipsos (Aaron) had decent chemistry—it was just way better when she played Katherine—and there was way more chemistry between her and Alaric in the classroom scene than he had with Jo in all of her scenes and she had with Liam in any of their scenes (I just loathe any idea of Elena and Ric since technically he's her stepfather and he is more or less her guardian, so, ew, gross!). But that's fine because as I stated at the top, I really think Elena is just his entry into the group and this is a way to engender sympathy for the character because once Elena gets her memories back, Liam's toast.

Phew, all done. So five episodes in and I'm really enjoying the heck out of this season so far which is pretty shocking considering that Damon and Elena haven't shared any screentime beyond Elena's hallucinations in the premiere, but it's just been so good and the show really came up with a brilliant way to keep their love alive. So I'm a happy camper. Loved, adored so hard the final scene and I can't wait until next week! Love my show!
 
 
 
x5valex5vale on October 31st, 2014 10:57 am (UTC)
As always, great review. I totally agree with you about Stefan. He make smistakes, but his pain was so deep it was going to destroy him completely.

I am glad Stefan was the first one who got to see Damon, because they have so much history and so many feelings for each other that he wouldn't have been fair to any of them to be otherwise.

Also Damon will be hurt again by Elena. I am just happy the brothers had their moments and Damon could really feel how much loved he is.
Arabian: Damon & Elena44arabian on October 31st, 2014 11:19 am (UTC)
As always, great review.

Thank you. Nice to hear from you again. :)

Also Damon will be hurt again by Elena.

I don't know that Damon will be hurt by Elena, I mean, I guess if he sees her with Liam he will be but that's just a surface thing that he knows means nothing because he should know that it means nothing because her memories of him are gone because she loves him so much. He would know already about why they were taken away at that point, I imagine. I can't see Stefan not telling him before he sees Elena that she turned her memories off. So I don't know that Damon will hurt *by* Elena, seeing her with Liam would hurt just on the surface level because it would suck.

Damon could really feel how much loved he is.

However, Elena didn't DO anything to hurt Damon, what she did was because she loved him *so* much. This is a result of how deeply she was devastated by his "death." What Elena did would also show just how much he is really loved by her. Not saying that I wasn't thrilled with what we got with Damon and Stefan, but I don't see how anything with Elena would be the opposite of. And nothing that Damon would see with Elena would fairly be said to be hurting him since her memories are gone because she loves him so much and, again, I can't see why Stefan wouldn't let him know about that before he even saw Elena since Damon is seeing Stefan now first. I can't see Stefan just letting his brother walk into a situation with Elena not knowing what's going on.

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Frust-sheep: misc: I <3 my fandomfrust_sheep on October 31st, 2014 06:21 pm (UTC)
Yay, Damon is back! :D And I so hope Bonnie will come back soon, too. :(

"I officially ship Liv and Tyler."
Yay, you ship Liv & Tyler, too. :D *shake hands* *lol* ;)

Yay, really awesome episode! :D

I thank Ivy already, that she made Caroline & Stefan scream together "Shut Up". *lol* Oh priceless.

Did I already say: Yay, Damon is back? :D :D :D

Anyway again thank you for your episode entry again. :)
Arabian: Liv & Tyler01arabian on October 31st, 2014 09:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I knew I was intrigued by Liv and Tyler back when the idea was introduced late last season and I have liked them so far this season, but they really got to me this episode. Uh huh.

DAMON IS BACK! WHEE!!!
Florencia: TVD (Brothers)florencia7 on November 1st, 2014 02:10 am (UTC)
part I
OH You're fast!!! Thank you so much!!! ♥

”he picks up on things, but doesn't go off all half-cocked” - That's an interesting part to focus on and it seems like you're right! As much as I thought the exact opposite before, now I'm inclined to agree that he's probably going to be a good guy. Although... if someday soon Ivy gets really hungry and there happens to be nothing edible close by but Liam... I really won't mind all that much ;)

”What this also accomplishes is it allows the show to set up Liam as sympathetic for viewers.” - Nope. Don't care at all, at least not yet. See the Ivy comment above lol

”I do think I nailed Stefan and his emotional state.” - YES! You TOTALLY did!

”I just feel like none of them are trying hard enough to see Stefan's pain.” - They don't, but like you mention later on, I love that they put Stefan in Damon's shoes so much this season and this episode especially, starting with Ivy dramatically accusing Stefan of *everything* being his fault almost exactly the same way Stefan used to accuse Damon. The scene with Alaric seemed to serve the same purpose and as a little unfair as it was, it was also ~refreshing to see Stefan in this kind of situation. There even was a hint of bafflement in Stefan's eyes, because he's just not used to people being cold-hearted toward him. And there is Caroline of course, and the fact that Stefan doesn't know how to deal with her now that she is mad at him. Because except for Damon, people used didn't get mad at him ever, so he really is lost in every sense of the word.

”That scene, man, that scene.” - ♥ ♥ ♥

”he lets you know that you are important and Damon having someone like that as a friend (and not just like the lover that he has in Elena) is wonderful.” - Yes, it is, and I do hope Bonnie will come back in the mid-season finale! That'd be good timing! ;D

”When he's telling her you did this to save me, it didn't feel like worship, it felt like a special connection between them.” - That's how it felt to me too! Which surprised me, because I didn't really *feel* them that much before. Random Tyler comment: about that Tyler/Elena pic that seemed so oddly on display in 6x01, it just crossed my mind that maybe the reason for that was that Tyler was the one who told Elena that the sirebond didn't affect her feelings? In a way he was the one that made it possible for Elena to stay strong and don't doubt her feelings despite everyone throwing the sirebond in her face. Or maybe I'm overthinking it ^^

”And when she saved him, she didn't do it because he was one of the gang, she did it because he was Tyler.” - That's an important differentiation indeed.

”Enzo may have sent him in the direction of Savannah, he didn't technically give Stefan up (...)still, not cool, Enzo.” - Ha, I actually think it was VERY cool, because I felt like Enzo was just being *consistent* here ;) He didn't give Stefan up at all. He just sneakily arranged for Stefan to be, once again, pushed out of the fake comfort zone of his fake new life.

”saving the Damon and Elena reunion *be still my beating heart* for the next episode” - Oh, I have a feeling the next episode won't bring us DE reunion just yet! Sadly (or who knows, maybe not so sadly), I expect them to drag it out until 6x07. But hopefully you're right and I'm wrong.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan03arabian on November 1st, 2014 02:30 am (UTC)
RE: part I
As much as I thought the exact opposite before, now I'm inclined to agree that he's probably going to be a good guy.

I really do that Liam will be a good guy now. I was quite impressed with him in this episode.

”What this also accomplishes is it allows the show to set up Liam as sympathetic for viewers.” - Nope. Don't care at all, at least not yet. See the Ivy comment above lol

Ah, you missed the point of my phrasing. it allows the show to set up Liam. He's not supposed to be sympathetic *now.* This will be for down the line when Elena has her memories back, when she's aware of how crazy in love with Damon she is and Liam realizes that he has exactly zero chance at all with her and he never really did. By then, we will have more time with the character, we will see that he did everything right, he listened to her, he was a good guy, he's smart, he's sweet, he's cool and were it not for the fact that Elena is already madly, crazy, soulmate in love with Damon, Liam could have a shot with her, but, none of that matters. THEN comes the sympathy part. This right now is just the set-up and that set-up will continue for a bit more, I imagine. We're not there yet.

Random Tyler comment: about that Tyler/Elena pic that seemed so oddly on display in 6x01, it just crossed my mind that maybe the reason for that was that Tyler was the one who told Elena that the sirebond didn't affect her feelings? In a way he was the one that made it possible for Elena to stay strong and don't doubt her feelings despite everyone throwing the sirebond in her face. Or maybe I'm overthinking it ^^

I think so. But I was actually thinking of the Tyler/Elena pic too, but in a different way. The fact that he called her just made me think of how we know those are the only two of the Mystic Falls "kids" still there at Whitmore, so him calling her right away plus that picture lends credence to the idea that they did get closer over the summer.

”Enzo may have sent him in the direction of Savannah, he didn't technically give Stefan up (...)still, not cool, Enzo.” - Ha, I actually think it was VERY cool

No, my "not cool" was about him sending Tripp to Savannah with regards to IVY. Since Enzo had just turned Ivy and she's an innocent in all of this and Ivy is in Savannah and would be in well more danger than Stefan.

Oh, I have a feeling the next episode won't bring us DE reunion just yet! Sadly (or who knows, maybe not so sadly), I expect them to drag it out until 6x07. But hopefully you're right and I'm wrong.

Oh, I'm thinking if we get a reunion it very well could be at the end of the episode too. Or you're right, it won't even be until the one after that. *sigh*
Florencia: TVD (Our Town)florencia7 on November 1st, 2014 02:11 am (UTC)
part II

”Oh, right, Ric's compulsion. I know a certain someone will bring that up since it didn't work with Jo that such might be proof it's not going to work when he goes to uncompel Elena, but I still don't know.” - LOL Actually, I wasn't going to use that as an argument, however... I still think Ric won't uncompel Elena, although maybe because *she* will not want him to? And then before she changes her mind she'll break the compulsion herself?

”And the complete and utter lack of chemistry… just no.” - Yeah, unfortunately their scenes feel VERY lackluster and lukewarm and just... no. Is there a chance to bring back Isobel? That could be interesting lol

”Hahaa! I called it all the way back to my write up of the finale. It would be four to six episodes before Damon and, well, OK, Bonnie (wah!!) came back.” - haha YES! You guessed it EXACTLY! That's awesome! :D

”I wonder if the original plan was to make him human, but they changed their minds while breaking down season 06? Hmmm…..” - I think that maybe it will happen in the finale? Right now we have enough angst and it feels only right to give DE some happiness and focus on other people's problems or so-called “general problems” in the second half of the season. So if there really will be S7, it seems to me that human!Damon would be a perfect 6x22 cliffhanger. It'd be interesting and make everyone excited for S7, but at the same time it wouldn't be painful like 5x22.

OFF TO REWATCH:

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♥!
Arabian: Damon&Alaric04arabian on November 1st, 2014 02:31 am (UTC)
RE: part II
I still think Ric won't uncompel Elena, although maybe because *she* will not want him to?

I just don't get why she wouldn't? How is that in character for Elena Gilbert to NOT want to have all of the information at her disposal?

And then before she changes her mind she'll break the compulsion herself?

I still think that if that happens (which is possible) it will be because Ric is just not available for some reason, or Damon and Elena are maybe kidnapped by Tripp, stuck together, and she breaks it then? I could be down with that.

Yeah, unfortunately [Jo/Ric] scenes feel VERY lackluster and lukewarm and just... no.

So agreed.

Is there a chance to bring back Isobel? That could be interesting lol

Alas, no. But Jo, ain't working. Maybe she's bad and can die soon? Please. You've just got to try again with someone else for Ric/Matt Davis because this one ain't working.

RE: Damon human -- I think that maybe it will happen in the finale? Right now we have enough angst and it feels only right to give DE some happiness and focus on other people's problems or so-called “general problems” in the second half of the season. So if there really will be S7, it seems to me that human!Damon would be a perfect 6x22 cliffhanger. It'd be interesting and make everyone excited for S7, but at the same time it wouldn't be painful like 5x22.

Could be, could be that now they'll have it set up for the last season. We will see.
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Arabian: Stefan & Caroline07arabian on November 1st, 2014 02:36 am (UTC)
First time commenting. I usually lurk lol. BTW I live for your reviews :-)

Aww, thank you, and *thank you* for commenting. It really means a lot that you've come out of lurking to comment. It really, really does!

With regards to Stefan and Damon, I believe this is why we did not get a goodbye between them because it made the reunion even sweeter.

It was so, so sweet. I totally cried.

As for Elena I honestly believe she's not going to want Ric to restore her memories because she does not remember the Damon we all know and the man she loves.

But I just don't see how it's in character for Elena at all to not want to have all the information at her disposal. Plus, she read the journal entry to herself, she knows that she loved him. Also, before no one was talking about Damon and how he'd changed, the good things he'd done, why Elena loved him because what was the point since he was gone, but... with him back, that wouldn't continue. Alaric would explain that Damon was so much more than his bad deeds; there was a reason *why* Elena fell so deeply in love with him and she owed herself the truth to know why she fell for him. I don't know, I just can't see Elena--in character--not wanting to know the full truth of her memories.

I think that she will notice the differences between what she believes him to be now and who he really is and that may either cause her to fall for him again or break the compulsion.

We'll see soon enough.

And can I just say poor Caroline!!! Stefan really messed up with her, I can't wait to see how he makes it up to her.

Yes, but I also want to see Caroline make it up to him too because I do think that Caroline should be more understanding because as I said in my post, Stefan lost his brother and I don't think that the others, including Caroline (and excluding Elena) are trying hard enough to see just how hard this is effecting him. So it's a two-way street here. But I have faith that Stefan and Caroline will get where they need to go. They are made for each other! ♥
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dancing till the world ends: tvd: woobielynnenne on November 1st, 2014 03:33 am (UTC)
THAT SCENE. THAT HUG. BROTHERS 4EVA.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on November 1st, 2014 07:36 am (UTC)
I really had only intended to just put " That scene, man, that scene. You all know what I'm talking about." and then put up the gifs. But I couldn't. LOL! Had to be all wordy, hee!
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on November 1st, 2014 04:07 am (UTC)
...darn it, I have nothing to add, again. My only big disagreement is with Tyler and Liv - I really don't care about them. The rest? Our thoughts are pretty similar.

That ending scene...if my parents hadn't been in the room, I would've cried with joy.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on November 1st, 2014 07:38 am (UTC)
I'm really surprised at myself at how much I'm enjoying Tyler and Liv. It's totally Penelope Mitchell, the writing and their chemistry because I'm still not 100% with Michael Trevino, but I even watched the scene again before rewatching the Brothers Salvatore scene, and yup, it got me again, so, yeah, I'm definitely feeling it.

Oh, Damon. Oh, Stefan! That scene!!!
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries Damon Thinkingamberfocus on November 1st, 2014 09:24 am (UTC)
I am just so glad to have an episode that really felt like it was moving. That was one thing that TVD used to be so good at in the first couple of seasons, you didn't have to wait forever for things. I've kind of felt that this season was dragging up until this episode. It's probably just the introduction of so many new characters that I have no real reason to care about yet.

I am really hoping to see Damon do everything he can to get Bonnie back, because I would find that so much more interesting in terms of character growth than for Bonnie to just figure out a way back on her own. I think it would be incredible if he and Elena figure out a way to go and get her together, and that working together to do that leads to them getting back together. Because you know once Elena finds out Bonnie is alive she's going to do everything in her power to get her back, even if it means spending time with Damon against her better judgment. And maybe seeing Damon be so selfless in going after Bonnie no matter what, it won't matter if she doesn't get her memories back first. She'll fall for him anyway.

I was shocked at Liv killing that guy to protect Tyler. Am I wrong or is this the first time a human has killed another human on this show? Because we've seen the supernatural creatures be killed by humans and we've seen them kill humans, but I don't think we've seen a human kill a human before. I mean, I know he was going to die anyway, so it was a mercy killing in a way, but wow, way to show how deep your feelings run, girl. I didn't think she had it in her. I think I might finally be starting to like her.

I miss Tyler and Caroline though. I liked them together better than anyone else she's been paired with, though I think if Caroline got back together with him she'd be taking several steps backward in her character's growth. I had been hoping for her to get together with Stefan, but not with how he's been acting lately. Hopefully that will change now that he has his brother back, but after the way he hurt Caroline, I really think he'd have to make up for a lot before I'd be willing to accept them together.

The brothers reuniting was just fantastic. The acting in that scene was superb.


Arabian: Damon18arabian on November 2nd, 2014 12:24 am (UTC)
I am just so glad to have an episode that really felt like it was moving. That was one thing that TVD used to be so good at in the first couple of seasons, you didn't have to wait forever for things. I've kind of felt that this season was dragging up until this episode. It's probably just the introduction of so many new characters that I have no real reason to care about yet.

I don't agree. I mean, we found out where Damon and Bonnie were in the second episode and what was going on in the third. We had a good idea of what was going with Stefan in the 2nd and 3rd episode. The mystery reveals of Tripp and Sarah in the third episode. So I don't think it's been dragging especially since we've gotten such great character stuff, but you know how I feel about this show, so.....

I am really hoping to see Damon do everything he can to get Bonnie back, because I would find that so much more interesting in terms of character growth than for Bonnie to just figure out a way back on her own.

Like I said, I expect that Damon, Elena, Jeremy and probably Caroline--although she'll probably have her separate angle--will be working to do so. I just can't see Damon and the Gilberts be majorly intent on getting Bonnie back big-time.

I think it would be incredible if he and Elena figure out a way to go and get her together, and that working together to do that leads to them getting back together.

I still am not convinced that Elena won't either choose to get her memories back or break the compulsion (since we've had her say to both Damon and Stefan that their love is strong enough to break compulsion in the past but it hasn't happened yet) so it won't take that.

Because you know once Elena finds out Bonnie is alive she's going to do everything in her power to get her back, even if it means spending time with Damon against her better judgment. And maybe seeing Damon be so selfless in going after Bonnie no matter what, it won't matter if she doesn't get her memories back first. She'll fall for him anyway.

I just don't understand WHY Elena wouldn't want all of her memories back since it's a part of who she is. She'll ask the questions, and then want all the information to make the fully informed decision herself. I'm sure if she doesn't the show will offer up an explanation that makes sense, but I just don't see it now.

I was shocked at Liv killing that guy to protect Tyler. Am I wrong or is this the first time a human has killed another human on this show?

Ric (under the influence of the ring, but still) killed the medical examiner and Bill, so technically Ric was human when he killed those two humans. And Liz shot Jeremy and he died, and Liz and Jeremy are both humans. I can't think of any others.

I know he was going to die anyway, so it was a mercy killing in a way, but wow, way to show how deep your feelings run, girl.

Yeah!

I miss Tyler and Caroline though.

Well, you know I don't. LOL!

I had been hoping for her to get together with Stefan, but not with how he's been acting lately.

He's been a jerk, but again, his brother died. I think that allowances can and should be made during times of extreme and emotional grief.

after the way he hurt Caroline, I really think he'd have to make up for a lot before I'd be willing to accept them together.

Considering that Caroline could have cut him more slack, I think she could and will forgive him pretty easily. His brother died. That's a pretty big reason for why he acted as he did. His brother of nearly 200 hundred years. That's REALLY BIG.

The brothers reuniting was just fantastic. The acting in that scene was superb.

Yup, yup, yup.

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tj2013tj2013 on November 1st, 2014 09:43 am (UTC)
Agree with everything you said, thanks for posting so quickly. That was a great episode in a row of great episodes. Seriously, we've know the characters for five years now, one might think we've seen everything possible, and still the writers manage to surprise us, make us all weepy.

I started crying the moment Stefan sat down in the crypt. I KNEW Damon would show up, of course he would. But how it was done - aaaah, perfection. They tend to film Stefan from the side when he is close to tears, and you can see his angular face and you just know he's on the point of breaking. And the way he admitted to be lost ... Gee. And the HUG. I'm just saying I've rewatched it more than once.

The lady-doctor doesn't impress me at all. No chemistry between Matt Davis and whatsthenameoftheactress there. None.

I didn't mind the Elena and Liam scenes and even when she kissed him, it was for me more like "oh, just wait till Damon is standing on your doorstep, Then we'll talk about hero-types again. LOL".

Wow, Liv killing the guy to save Tyler. I thought at first, too, that she was trying to save him somehow and then I realized what she did and ... wow. And Tyler seems more grounded, more mature in the last scene with her.

Loved all the Damon-Bonnie-Scenes. And he will so fight to bring her back. You're right, they would give up their lives for each other now. Awesome!!!



Arabian: Damon & Bonnie01arabian on November 2nd, 2014 12:41 am (UTC)
Agree with everything you said, thanks for posting so quickly. That was a great episode in a row of great episodes. Seriously, we've know the characters for five years now, one might think we've seen everything possible, and still the writers manage to surprise us, make us all weepy.

So true, all around.

I KNEW Damon would show up, of course he would. But how it was done - aaaah, perfection.

Again, so true.

I didn't mind the Elena and Liam scenes and even when she kissed him, it was for me more like "oh, just wait till Damon is standing on your doorstep, Then we'll talk about hero-types again. LOL".

Uh huh, exactly.

Wow, Liv killing the guy to save Tyler. I thought at first, too, that she was trying to save him somehow and then I realized what she did and ... wow. And Tyler seems more grounded, more mature in the last scene with her.

Yeah, I've watched that final scene a few times now and it's still so good. I really do like them. Uh huh.

Loved all the Damon-Bonnie-Scenes. And he will so fight to bring her back. You're right, they would give up their lives for each other now. Awesome!!!

So fabulous. It makes me kinda sad that people are seeing as some romantic kinda thing when it's pretty obvious that the writing/direction/acting has presented it in a sibling-type of a way. Oh well.
vanimy: Damon/Stefanvanimy on November 1st, 2014 10:31 pm (UTC)
This episode was awesome-sauce. I squeed a lot in front of the episode and all because of two relationships.

-Of course Stefan/Damon gave me all the feels. This final scene, THIS FINAL SCENE. I agree with you on everything about Stefan and Stefan/Damon. Can I say I'm so happy Stefan is the first to see Damon back? I'm beyond happy about this. Because you know, brothers above everything.

-Bonnie and Damon. I think it's time to be honest with myself...

I ship them.

Like really shipping them, no longer kinda in a platonic way (I know it's not really shipping then but bear with me lol), I absolutely ship them now. That scene with Bonnie telling him she was glad to be with him? Bonnie and Damon both sacrificing themselves for the other... Coupled with Ian and Kat's chemistry, I'm gone. They gave me warm fuzzy feelings like I haven't felt since the Delena glory days.

You can ban me from this blog now. :P

What's funny is how my lil sister who watches the show too also ships them now and she used to be a Delena shipper... WTH just happened?

I'm not saying I'm not shipping Delena still because you know, Delena, but Elena's become a stranger to me now. I was trying to find out what was bothering me so much about the amnesia storyline. I got your point in your response to another comment of mine but I still don't like this storyline, it cheapens Damon and Elena's reunion in a way. Also i don't know whether it's me or Nina Dobrev phoning in but I haven't been too fond of Elena for a long time.

Shame. She used to be my favorite character with Damon.

Does explain why I'm shipping Bamon now. Because Bonnie's so damn awesome. They just have to get her back, like now. And yeah, I hope Damon will be active in saving her.

That being said, watch me turn to mush next time Damon and Elena share some screentime. :P And also, Bonnie/Jeremy. Argh. This show always gets me to multi-ship.

-Agreed with you on all counts about Caroline and surprisingly, Tyler and Liv. I think it's the first time I've ever been so interested in tyler's storyline. I wasn't expecting the whole accident scene like at all and Liv killing that guy was a powerful scene. Great twists.

-What I disagree on is Ivy and that Liam character. Ivy annoyed me on a Season 1!Vicky level. I can't wait for her to die seriously. She was galactically stupid all episode, whimpering to Stefan then Caroline, messing up with that guy in the middle of the street, not being discreet at all when she was with Tripp. Ugh. It also probably comes from the fact we barely got to know her when she was still human, she was only Stefan's girlfriend and i have a feeling she's going to die next episode.

As of Liam... I don't know if you watched Buffy The Vampire Slayer earlier seasons but he reminded me of Scott, Buffy's wannabe boyfriend before Angel came back from the dead. His only purpose was to get Buffy a normal boyfriend to complicate things between Angel and Buffy when Angel came back. I don't think Liam is going to stay that long, first because I don't think the actor has a lot of charisma, second because he's totally there to give some angst between Damon and Elena. If you check out that Scott character, you'll even notice the two actors look alike!

-about Jo, I actually was interested in her for the first time. The chemistry isn't there with Ric, gotta give you that but the whole compulsion thingy failing with her intrigued me, so there's that!
Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on November 2nd, 2014 12:08 am (UTC)
I always appreciate our discussions, but if you genuinely ship Damon and Bonnie as a couple, please don't talk about them on my blog. I don't and I don't want to discuss them like that or talk about them like that or read about them like that AT ALL on my blog. It's completely obvious that as of now the show is setting them up in a brother-sister type of relationship and not a romantic one. Bonnie very much respects his love for Elena and Damon does not see Bonnie in a sexual way at all (he hasn't flirted with her at all). And that's great for me because that's what I've seen and wanted with them, and that's what I'm getting. If you don't see that, if you don't want that, please do NOT bring that to my blog. These posts are my happy place, I don't want that ruined. Please accept that.

I'm not saying I'm not shipping Delena still because you know, Delena, but Elena's become a stranger to me now. I was trying to find out what was bothering me so much about the amnesia storyline. I got your point in your response to another comment of mine but I still don't like this storyline, it cheapens Damon and Elena's reunion in a way. I haven't been too fond of Elena for a long time.

Because Elena is NOT Elena deliberately so. There was a reason that line about the one who helped her define who she was in her her journal entry to herself. Loving Damon helped make Elena who she has become. All of that stuff in the last half of season five when Elena pulled away from Damon was Elena not being true to herself and what she was creating with Damon. THAT was her growing pains. That was Elena NOT being true to them and the struggle that she was going through. There are so many allowances for Damon's growth, but Elena is growing JUST as much, if not more so. She is 18 years old and going through these ENORMOUS changes. Look at the big picture with her. And for the first time in her ADULT life she's lost the most important person to her and she's handling it BADLY, in a completely different way than Stefan is, but badly too. Elena IS a stranger. Remember what Caroline said to Matt after Elena lost her memories? She's not acting like herself. We know that, we've been told that. A part of herself is missing. A huge chunk of what made Elena Elena these last few years is gone, it went with her memories of Damon. Of course she's a stranger right now.

As for cheapening their reunion? What reunion? They haven't reunited yet. The whole point of this, I believe, was a way to give us a non-suicidal Elena who's not killing people and showing this difference WITHOUT Damon proves just how much she does love him. She went to SUCH extremes because she DOES love him this much.

What I disagree on is Ivy and that Liam character. Ivy annoyed me on a Season 1!Vicky level.

Aww, sorry. I really liked her. It's probably the actress, because my issue with Vicki was the actress, and I really like Emily C. Chang, but Kayla Ewell never worked for me.

As of Liam... I don't know if you watched Buffy The Vampire Slayer earlier seasons but he reminded me of Scott, Buffy's wannabe boyfriend before Angel came back from the dead.

I did, but I don't remember Scott.

His only purpose was to get Buffy a normal boyfriend to complicate things between Angel and Buffy when Angel came back. I don't think Liam is going to stay that long, first because I don't think the actor has a lot of charisma, second because he's totally there to give some angst between Damon and Elena. If you check out that Scott character, you'll even notice the two actors look alike!

I don't think this is Liam's purpose though because I don't see how he creates any angst at all. He's not an obstacle. It's not about him at all. It's about Elena's lack of memories period. Liam has nothing to do with it. No other guy does. I think it's about getting him into the group, I really do.

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La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on November 2nd, 2014 12:20 am (UTC)
As always, loved your review!

My thoughts: I was glad that the reunion was between Stefan and Damon. Stefan needed it a million times more than Elena at this phase in her life.

In fact, I would have been disappointed had it been between Damon and Elena. I don't think her compulsion will wear off just at the sight of him. I think that's going to be something they're going to have to work through somehow. So, had he seen her first, she wouldn't have been "ready" to accept him. Could you imagine THAT being his homecoming? He's been trying for four months to get home to her only to find out that she had all good memories of him erased? I know it's for good reasons, but I still think that would be a hard blow.

So hopefully Stefan, knowing how much he needs his brother and how much he cares for him... I hope that Stefan preps him for his return to Elena, even if it's just a quick heads up that we don't actually get on camera. I think Damon will be much less "affected" if he comes into his reunion with her knowing that she did this because she spiraled out of control and couldn't handle it. I'm sure everyone will support Damon + Elena if he's aware of what's actually going on.
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on November 2nd, 2014 12:48 am (UTC)
As always, loved your review!

Thank you. :)

My thoughts: I was glad that the reunion was between Stefan and Damon. Stefan needed it a million times more than Elena at this phase in her life.

Agreed!

In fact, I would have been disappointed had it been between Damon and Elena. I don't think her compulsion will wear off just at the sight of him. I think that's going to be something they're going to have to work through somehow. So, had he seen her first, she wouldn't have been "ready" to accept him. Could you imagine THAT being his homecoming? He's been trying for four months to get home to her only to find out that she had all good memories of him erased? I know it's for good reasons, but I still think that would be a hard blow.

SOOOO agreed!

So hopefully Stefan, knowing how much he needs his brother and how much he cares for him... I hope that Stefan preps him for his return to Elena, even if it's just a quick heads up that we don't actually get on camera. I think Damon will be much less "affected" if he comes into his reunion with her knowing that she did this because she spiraled out of control and couldn't handle it. I'm sure everyone will support Damon + Elena if he's aware of what's actually going on.

Yes, yes. I can't imagine that Stefan won't warn him what happened and more importantly *why* Elena did what she did. Even if he does see Elena with Liam, it will hurt, but he'll at least understand why it's happening and it will just be a surface hurt and he'll know that it came from a deeper pain in Elena because she couldn't handle being without him otherwise.
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon 1977 Bloodbogwitch on November 2nd, 2014 10:58 am (UTC)
Whew, thanks goodness Halloween is over, it's starting to become a monumental effort!

You think Liam is to become part of the core group? Really? Of all the new characters, he seems the weakest to me; he just seems like eventual cannon fodder and I care not one jot about him.

I do think Liam might be around for awhile yet though, as he represents the choice Elena has to make– does she continue with this new happy life she has made for herself and move on with a nice guy like Liam seems to be (boasting aside) or does she go back and rediscover this consuming love with Damon that she cannot comprehend without her memories of him, embracing all the darkness that appears to go with that all over again? I don’t think the answer is going to be as clear cut as you’re hoping, at least in the short term (we all know what the eventual outcome will be). Yet this time she gets to explore the question of a human-vampire relationship from the vampire pov; there are still all the problems she would have to contend with and he is already starting to ask questions. If she doesn’t let him know about her vampirism any relationship they might have would be fundamentally dishonest, contrasting that with the brutal honesty of a functional DE. And now I have lost track of what my point was.

Of the non-villains, Liv can stay, not so bothered about Luke unless he sorts out his awful wardrobe and has a shave once in a while. Sarah – meh, but there’s a long way to go with her yet (will she claim the Boarding House?). Ivy I’d like to keep, but I think her days are numbered as well.

I did think that when Damon turned up at the crypt, they would have him mirror Elena’s hallucination and have him touch Stefan’s shoulder, but I’m glad they didn’t. I was a bit puzzled by Stefan saying that Damon wasn’t with his family in the crypt though, so where was his body meant to be then? Didn’t Liz recover it for them? It seemed so boldly stated and yet it wasn’t followed up with anything, except to set up the “surprise” of Damon’s return, but it wasn’t necessary to achieve that. The location of Damon’s corpse wasn’t what really mattered to Stefan, just the absence of his brother, so why mention that at all?

I’ve known that Bonnie wasn’t likely to be returning for awhile now, but it really annoyed me that the network confirmed it by showing the moment of Damon’s exit from 1994 in the promo – that really did give way too much away!

The big Tyler accident was great! That really did feel like a classic TVD shock moment. I was aware there was going to be some kind of bloody massacre (though this is TVD after all, I didn’t really need spoilers for that!) but I was expecting it to be Ivy on the loose. It was so good to be surprised again with a great fake out!

I don’t think a human Damon storyline will happen now, unless it’s tied in with the overall finishing point of the show. I think the lifting the beam thing in 5.22 was to do with contrasting Damon as an ordinary vampire with Alaric’s strength as one created by the Original spell and to stall them enough to delay their return to the cemetery (obvs.).

All this and they’ve barely even started on taking down the magic barrier around Mystic Falls yet! Great stuff - as ever!
Arabian: Damon16arabian on November 2nd, 2014 11:27 am (UTC)
Part I
You think Liam is to become part of the core group? Really? Of all the new characters, he seems the weakest to me; he just seems like eventual cannon fodder and I care not one jot about him.

Well, to be fair, six seasons later, you still don't care one jot about Matt and want him dead, and Liam is a similar type of character to him.

I do think Liam might be around for awhile yet though, as he represents the choice Elena has to make– does she continue with this new happy life she has made for herself and move on with a nice guy like Liam seems to be (boasting aside) or does she go back and rediscover this consuming love with Damon that she cannot comprehend without her memories of him

But this is my point, it makes no sense for Elena to not discover all of her options. Even in the journal entry to herself, she mentioned Damon as someone who helped define who she was. I mean, part of the whole selective amnesia included no one talking about Damon and so all she knows about him is her bad memories. But with him back, she'll not only see he's NOT that guy from her bad memories anymore, but the others--especially Ric and Stefan--will be talking about all the good stuff he did. Ric KNOWS how happy she was (because he watched it). Stefan, Caroline and Jeremy know how happy Damon made her, and how miserable she was without him. Plus, Damon will be on a tear to get Bonnie back, how does that reconcile with the "evil" Damon? It doesn't. So, in order for Elena to even think of NOT getting her memories back, she'll be asking questions, right? She'll want to be informed, so to be informed, she'll finally decide to get her memories back to get all the information. So, I just don't see how that doesn't happen way sooner rather than later. And I don't see why the show would spend more than a few episodes on Elena and Liam (in November sweeps) when EVERYONE knows that they have LITERALLY no shot. None. Zero. Zip.

It just doesn't make sense. Unless you're going by spoilers and you're hinting at it by not saying so, but just guessing based on the character as you see it and what you think will happen, I don't see it. I'm not saying, a big part of me doesn't expect this, it just doesn't make sense. But sadly, the big part of me expects this because frankly everyone expects to be disappointed by Damon and Elena, they expect a crappy reunion. They expect that instead of Elena getting her memories back quickly, or without Ric there, Elena breaking the compulsion when either kidnapped with Damon by Tripp (if that happens) or just talking with him when seeing him first because their love is so strong, yes, they'll delay it... just to delay it for angst's sake. And that sucks. Because the show SHOULD have one of the above happen. Damon and Elena SHOULD have some big November sweeps reunion BEFORE the end of November sweeps. For once give Damon/Elena fans the BIG, GOOD stuff! Don't disappoint. But I know everyone's expecting it, I'm expecting it. Which I think sucks because I've really loved this season, but I'm expecting disapointment. And it sucks because, see paragraph, it DOESN't MAKE CHARACTER SENSE! Elena would want her memories back. She'd want them back. That's just Elena.

Of the non-villains, Liv can stay, not so bothered about Luke unless he sorts out his awful wardrobe and has a shave once in a while.

I still really like Luke, but we haven't had much with him at all so far. And, yeah, I really like Liv now a lot.

Sarah – meh, but there’s a long way to go with her yet (will she claim the Boarding House?). Ivy I’d like to keep, but I think her days are numbered as well.

I do think Ivy's days are numbered, Sarah is still very much an unknown, but as a Salvatore, I think she has a potential longer shelf life, we'll see.

I did think that when Damon turned up at the crypt, they would have him mirror Elena’s hallucination and have him touch Stefan’s shoulder, but I’m glad they didn’t.

Didn't even think of that at all. They generally do not parallel brother moments with Damon/Elena moments.
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jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on November 2nd, 2014 12:59 pm (UTC)
I have been quite the busy bee so only managed to get to write a bit now.
Thank you for your fast review.
I'm a bit sad about the Elena/Liam set up and will choose to trust that it wont' be significant. I don't know why but it actually worries me and I hope you are right that there is nothing coming out of it. You are much more focused and logical with the show. I just watch, write a bit of thoughts, get emotional and read your reviews.
I do hope this gets resolved by end of November as you suggest.
I was shocked about Bonnie not making it out actually. I do hope she will survive there and they will do their best to get her back.
How can anyone think of Damon and Bonnie romantically? I mean it is so clear that is not the intention. Unless I'm completely blind sided. But I'm completely with you on them being just friends. Anything else is just not even hinted.
I agree SE got 2 full seasons of relationship and we DE fans have yet to receive on this level. So I do hope reunion will be awesome and soon and we can focus on new storyline - Like getting Bonnie back...I just wonder, the device broke in 1994 and Kai was quite freaked out when it happened so not sure what other way out of there is possible. Also Bonnie was hit by an arrow. I presume she could even die? Damon didn't manage to give her blood and she seemed convinced she won't make it out. That is why she made Damon go alone.
I still don't feel Liv/Tyler but there surely is more to them then there ever was to Caroline/Tyler.
Not really impressed by Ivy. Honestly really don't care about her character.
I do wonder about Ric's not being able to compel Jo. Either something is wrong with his ability for some reason or she can't be compelled.
Loved the brothers reunion. Just beautiful. The music the emotions. Perfect. I do hope that Stefan will prepare Damon for Elena. I do suspect that Damon will witness her with Liam and though he will know about her situation it will still hurt him. I also think that when Elena's memories are back that she will be upset for hurting Damon. Probably reproaching herself for wanting to lose her memories and giving up. I think she might feel guilty. But this is just my opinion.
Anxious to have next episode here.
Arabian: Damon & Bonnie01arabian on November 2nd, 2014 01:09 pm (UTC)
Part I
I have been quite the busy bee so only managed to get to write a bit now.

I knew I was missing a comment from a regular, LOL!

I'm a bit sad about the Elena/Liam set up and will choose to trust that it wont' be significant.

I just don't see how. I mean, Damon and Elena have been built up since the third episode of season 01. They are THE OTP couple of this show. There is LITERALLY no shot in hell for this guy. No worries at all.

I don't know why but it actually worries me and I hope you are right that there is nothing coming out of it. You are much more focused and logical with the show. I just watch, write a bit of thoughts, get emotional and read your reviews.

Don't worry.

I do hope this gets resolved by end of November as you suggest.

Honestly, I'll be disappointed if it's not resolved before November, I really will. And I'll be disappointed if I am disappointed because I've been LOVING this season and have had ZERO complaints so far despite the fact that Damon and Elena--FIVE EPISODES IN!--have had ZERO scenes together. It's been that good. Don't screw it up, show!

I was shocked about Bonnie not making it out actually. I do hope she will survive there and they will do their best to get her back.

She will. The Gemini coven--with both Stefan and Enzo knowing about it--putting Kai there was inserted for a reason. It will just take more time.

How can anyone think of Damon and Bonnie romantically? I mean it is so clear that is not the intention. Unless I'm completely blind sided. But I'm completely with you on them being just friends. Anything else is just not even hinted.

I KNOW!!! Damon and Bonnie were ALONE FOR FOUR MONTHS! People forget that, but FOUR MONTHS it was literally just the two of them and in that time, they were still annoyed with each other all the time, they still got on each other's nerves. Yes, they developed a bond, yes, they care deeply about each other, but they are CLEARLY meant to be read as like siblings. There has been ZERO flirting, Kai compared them to siblings, they've acted like siblings. Damon and Bonnie have both referenced his love for Elena multiple times. Anyone seeing ANYTHING MORE is being D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L!

I agree SE got 2 full seasons of relationship and we DE fans have yet to receive on this level.

It's our time, damnit!

So I do hope reunion will be awesome and soon and we can focus on new storyline - Like getting Bonnie back.

Agreed... emphatically so!

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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Comfort (E/C)butterfly on November 2nd, 2014 09:53 pm (UTC)
This was an especially great episode for Stefan! Until he yelled at Elena last episode, we've kinda been locked outside his grieving process (because, like Elena, he found the idea of grieving for Damon so overwhelming that he couldn't face it head-on) and this episode let us see how lost and hurt he was about it. And other characters getting mad at him for not grieving the 'right' way also helps us see his grief, too, I think. And the speech at the end, leading up to Damon's return -- so wonderful. I loved that Stefan needed to just touch Damon first, before he hugged him, to make sure he was really there.

Ivy was great. I really liked seeing her anger at Stefen re: lying to her and getting her mixed up in all this supernatural stuff, and her hunger and fear. She's a fascinating little newbie vamp and I hope she doesn't bite it.

Poor Caroline. Not having a great day.

I agree with you on Liv and Tyler having more chemistry than Tyler and Caroline did (though I think that Tyler and Caroline actually did have some chemistry before the characters slept together, so hopefully that loss of chemistry doesn't happen with L&T too). And the Tyler drama was pretty involving. I felt emotionally invested in saving him from being a werewolf.

Agree with you so much on Damon and Bonnie's dynamic. They are so much fun together. And, like you mentioned, I love that Damon trusted her play. He objected but he didn't try to break them apart.

Kai remains pretty amusing in a scary way.

Liam trying to pull a Sherlock Holmes re: Elena's ex and getting it completely wrong was also amusing in a morbid way. Agree with you on the likely set-up for Liam to become suspicious -- he's asking too many questions for that not to be something they explore with his character.
Arabian: Liv & Tyler01arabian on November 3rd, 2014 12:41 am (UTC)
This was an especially great episode for Stefan! Until he yelled at Elena last episode, we've kinda been locked outside his grieving process (because, like Elena, he found the idea of grieving for Damon so overwhelming that he couldn't face it head-on) and this episode let us see how lost and hurt he was about it. And other characters getting mad at him for not grieving the 'right' way also helps us see his grief, too, I think. And the speech at the end, leading up to Damon's return -- so wonderful. I loved that Stefan needed to just touch Damon first, before he hugged him, to make sure he was really there.

Yes, yes, yes! To all of this. We saw Stefan really just started to lose it. He didn't know what to do with Ivy. He was at a loss with Caroline. Everyone was so mean to him and he wasn't used to that. Maybe if he'd been able to talk to Elena, he would have been OK, but nope, it was just everyone being mean to him so he just had no one on his side. So he went to talk to his "dead" brother. But then there was Damon. Aww! So perfect.

Ivy was great. I really liked seeing her anger at Stefen re: lying to her and getting her mixed up in all this supernatural stuff, and her hunger and fear. She's a fascinating little newbie vamp and I hope she doesn't bite it.

Finally! Someone else liked her! Yes!

I agree with you on Liv and Tyler having more chemistry than Tyler and Caroline did (though I think that Tyler and Caroline actually did have some chemistry before the characters slept together, so hopefully that loss of chemistry doesn't happen with L&T too). And the Tyler drama was pretty involving. I felt emotionally invested in saving him from being a werewolf.

I thought Tyler and Caroline had chemistry through some of season 02, I'm not sure when they completely lost me. It might have been after they slept together. I think you're right. But I never felt for them like I do Liv and Tyler. It's like I said in my post, though, I never bought that Caroline saw Tyler as special, she was helping him because he was part of the gang. And Tyler saw her as this shining AHHHHHHH! I'm seeing a connection between Liv and Tyler.

Agree with you so much on Damon and Bonnie's dynamic. They are so much fun together. And, like you mentioned, I love that Damon trusted her play. He objected but he didn't try to break them apart.

Yup, yup, yup.

Liam trying to pull a Sherlock Holmes re: Elena's ex and getting it completely wrong was also amusing in a morbid way. Agree with you on the likely set-up for Liam to become suspicious -- he's asking too many questions for that not to be something they explore with his character.

Right? This is why I think there's more to him than just as this supposed "love interest" for Elena. We saw him as cool under pressure in SUCH a crazy situation *and* seeing/hearing not one, but two suspicious situations. The girl Elena brought back, and about her "dead" boyfriend Damon, who's coming back and Liam will be all, 'huh?' There was a reason for this! And it's not because he's a "love interest" for Elena! That doesn't fit... but him becoming part of the group? That makes sense.
Alisha: Star Quality Pattikalishaka on November 17th, 2014 08:16 pm (UTC)
This episode was an emotional roller coaster and one-third of that was Tyler. Words I never thought I would utter......ever. I cannot even begin to describe how gorgeous I find the building Tyler and Liv connection. It is so uniquely theirs. Liv isn't friends with this group like her brother has tried to be. She's not a part of it. She hovers outside. But Tyler brings her in. And Tyler, his sheer pain, his agony and what it would mean if that kid died. The even worse horror of Elena revealing he drove through a field of people. Tyler trying to come to accept that the Werewolf gene was going to activate and there was nothing he could do. And Liv, looking at this man, who has been so fucked up, but has been trying so hard to be better. She looks at him, and she cares, and she aches, and she steels herself. This girl who could not handle the sight and sound of torture, kills an innocent person who was dying anyway, just so Tyler wouldn't be the one to do it. I do not even have the words for how this story made me feel. Thank god it was the only traumatically emotional thing to happen this episode....oh wait.

I will save the most traumatic and wonderful for last. And instead focus on the scene that allowed it to happen. Damon and Bonnie. I knew Kai wasn't dead. I knew a fight was coming. I assumed all three of them would have to go through anyway. And there was even a moment where I was prepared for Bonnie to have to go without Damon, as she struggled to get the artifact while Damon struggled. I was even ready for none of them to get through and have to start over again. There have never been two more self-sacrificing characters on this show than Damon and Bonnie. I honestly believe their love for other people, their love for Elena, while coming from different places of self-worth, there is nothing they would not sacrifice to make someone they care about happy. And sending Damon through, telling him there really isn't anyone she'd rather be there with......Why BONNIE Why? I just...I want my Bonnie. I just.....it left me feeling gutted.

Which is a perfect transition to the greatest scene this show has ever given me to this date. Stefan, talking to the air, mourning, venting, grieving, and throwing that bottle only for Damon to appear to catch it. Paul absolutely killed this scene. The unshed tears in his eyes, the way he touches Damon's shoulder first, to see if it was real. Damon looking down at the touch, for the first moment realizing how much his absence had actually been destroying his brother. He didn't just miss Stefan. He didn't just need Stefan. Stefan missed and needed him. The hug! It was astounding. And I am so glad they gave them this. Because obviously everything after will have to be about Elena, Bonnie, and Tripp and his insanity, and everything else. But for this second, it was the Salvatore brothers, and it was perfect.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on December 30th, 2014 10:35 am (UTC)
I cannot even begin to describe how gorgeous I find the building Tyler and Liv connection. It is so uniquely theirs.

Yup, that's what I was saying above. It's like everything between them, all they feel is solely about TYLER AND LIV. It's not about the group, it's not about helping because Tyler's a werewolf, Liv's a witch, it's not about the supernatural stuff, or because it's Mystic Falls, or because they've known each other all their lives. It's because Liv likes Tyler and Tyler likes Liv. Period.

There have never been two more self-sacrificing characters on this show than Damon and Bonnie

Well, to be fair, Elena's pretty damn self-sacrificing herself. The reason she doesn't come to mind is simply that NO ONE will let her sacrifice her damn self. She keeps trying though! Remember all of season 02 was one long Elena Gilbert attempt to sacrifice herself to save everyone she loved.

Not to say that Damon and Bonnie aren't both totally right there too, because unlike Elena, everyone calmly, casually steps aside and LETS these two--especially Bonnie--sacrifice themselves time and time again for the greater good. Or, these two are just better than Elena at getting away with the sacrifice.

Stefan. Damon. That final scene. Yeah. I am just verklempt. Still.