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25 October 2014 @ 08:18 am
6.04 - 'Black Hole Sun' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Sorry for the delay, as I mentioned to suckerfordelena, I wasn't feeling like doing the write-up last night and I quite enjoyed this one and I wanted to do the episode justice so I waited until I was more feeling it. So here you go. (And it's nearly 6,000 words. Yeah.)

I want to start with Damon because as important as other characters and reveals to and about them were in this episode, there was an encircling (or sorts) about Damon from most of the other characters that just filled my heart with so much joy. In my long (loooong) awaited post for the finale, "Home," I wrote about one of the big changes that would most likely be awaiting Damon's return to Mystic Falls from the Other Side's demise and that change would be his relationship status. I wrote:

[…] how it will be for Damon? […He] will be in *such* a different place relationship-wise. Prior to this season, it's been Damon having pretty much one person on his side (if he's lucky) begrudgingly except for the last two seasons where Elena was fully on his side. But next season, he'd have Elena, Stefan fully (because of no residual Elena-feelings, and OMG! I have my brother back, yes, I'm so happy, I love him! YAY!), Alaric, Enzo, Liz, possibly his minions—Jeremy and Matt, and now Bonnie. And of that group, only Jeremy and Matt would be begrudging. That's like… whoah!

But having Bonnie on Damon's side as his new BFF would be very interesting and something I would find a lot of fun to watch. I think that Ian Somerhalder and Kat Graham have great chemistry onscreen. Obviously, I don't want to watch them in a romantic sense, and I don't think for a second the show would go there, but as friends, I think it would be marvelous […] So, yeah, a Damon and Bonnie true friendship dynamic, I would very much like to see. And frankly, I would love to see Damon have a friend who is not sarcastic or snarky and could give him good Elena-advice without it being weird or creepy (sorry, Ric!).
Well, all signs do seem to be pointing to that direction. And this episode had these moments, these scenes and speeches and lines of dialogue with Stefan, Elena and Alaric… and then Bonnie which showed her now becoming a part of that inner circle that is part of the Damon-zone. And it was so beautifully done, I was just so in love with the execution. Let's look at it in detail, shall we?

At first I was a bit disgruntled by Ric's comment to Jeremy about Damon when he said that "I actually kinda miss him" with regards to Damon being, you know, dead in his spiel to Jeremy about his resentment. Because, hello, Damon, is his supposed best friend and all we get is that he "actually kinda misses him?" Really, Ric? And as I said, my first response was 'grr, not cool, Ric!' But, that was my first response. By episode's end, with everything else put in place, I realized that when you take into account Stefan and Elena's conversation, *everything* that Alaric said and then *Bonnie's comments at the end, well, it all ties together and it becomes clear what the writers, Melinda Hsu Taylor and Neil Reynolds have oh so cleverly done.

Firstly, we'll just ignore that Stefan clearly does not get the full dynamic of why Elena loves Damon ('he got you to accept the darkest parts of yourself, 'uhm, yeah, Stef, that's what it was, boo!), but he got part of it and at least he's completely accepted it now. We'll be happy with that. Moving on and get to the meat of the loving-and-accepting-Damon part of it all. Stefan essentially danced around saying that he and both Elena loved and accepted Damon despite all of the bad shit he did. And one has to think of how many times both Stefan (so, so, so many times) and Elena have said that they were incapable of ever walking away for good from Damon because they kept hoping that he would change, he would find his humanity, blah, blah, blah. That was the gist of it. Elena saying, 'oh no, how could I ever love him, he's so hateful!?' And Stefan being all, 'but you did! Because despite everything he did we loved him' was that reminder that Damon does bad things and that was key.

And that was also there in the conversation between Alaric and Jeremy. That line "I actually kinda miss him" taken out of context seems rather lackluster when talking about one's recently deceased best friend, but when looking at the entire statement and in light of the entire episode's theme, it holds a much stronger punch. "My wife ran away because she would rather be a vampire than be married to me. Come to find out it was Damon who turned her and then she died. And then Jenna, she died. And then I died. And then the guy who killed my wife died. And I actually kinda miss him."

So, no, it wasn't Alaric being blasé about Damon's death, but rather another nail being driven in about the bigger picture. Damon does bad things, but those people, those he loves that love him, they forgive him, they love him, they actually kinda miss him anyway. And then… and then… we come to that final Damon and Bonnie scene. Damon had told Bonnie this horrible thing he'd done, and yes, it was horrible. Killing a bunch of people who were guests in his family's boarding house, including a pregnant woman who was carrying his great X whatever's nephew's child. Really, truly horrible. And instead of judging him, instead of looking at him as this vile, evil monster… Bonnie did what Elena, what Stefan, what Alaric does. In this scene we saw her flat-out saying what Stefan and Alaric had both rather danced around showing that Bonnie is becoming this other person now entering the Damon-zone.

And (squee!) I am thinking now that yes, indeed, everything plays into the whole larger theme of Stefan, Elena and Alaric loving Damon despite the bad things he's done. He gets to them, but they forgive him because he feels remorse, because he *is* a good person who is changing, who is a better person because of their love, who WANTS to be a better person because now he has people who love and believe in him... and now Bonnie is one of those people. She is forgiving him the bad things he's done because he feels guilt, because she cares for him, sees the good in him and because she *wants* to forgive him.

And on the reverse side, Damon just as clearly now let Bonnie in. He got all soft-voiced and sincere-eyed with her when telling her why he needed to get back to 2014. And before now, he's only done that with Stefan, Elena and Alaric. Yuppers, Bonnie is so part of his inner circle now!! SQUEE!!! She's part of that very small group of people that he'll be openly vulnerable with and wear his heart on his sleeve with. OH EM GEE!!! SQUEE!! I love them and their sister-brother love so much. It's so precious! I didn't know how much Damon needed this until it was given to me. Ahem, I mean, him.

And, yes, Damon and Bonnie are obviously supposed to have a sibling-like relationship which is so what I wanted. YES! We had Kai flat-out say his siblings and then compare them to Bonnie and Damon (yes, yes, we'll just ignore that we found out later he murdered them viciously, it's the sibling-vibe that counts). Then that was in contrast to the Bonnie/Kai flirting, because Bonnie was totally flirting back with Kai before she found out he was a psychotic creepy family killing serial killer.

Oh, and Damon was even commenting on that and in an annoyed, but not jealous, more-older-brother type of a way. The show is making it very clear without all but putting a neon flashing sign at the bottom of the screen that says Bonnie and Damon have a brother/sister relationship. Let me just say that I approve because any kind of romantic/sexual vibe would ruin what they have. And what they have is awesome-sauce! Damon NEEDS this kind of relationship SO MUCH. It's SO VERY GOOD FOR HIM!

Going back a few seasons to a Bonnie-centric episode "Ghost World" (although this comment actually has nothing to do with Bonnie, hehehe), I commented then about Damon and his journey.

I liked A LOT that in an episode that talked about Damon, mentioned redemption, etc., and Damon making a positive choice to let someone in, be the better "man" (to Ric), it had NOTHING TO DO WITH ELENA. This helped to confirm my own personal belief that Damon is not changing or becoming better FOR Elena. I think it's BECAUSE of Elena's influence. It's like what Andie said... love changes a person, makes them better. It's like, for me, Elena has ignited that desire that has always been in Damon to be better, but until he's ready, until he wants to, it's not going to happen. Because he's not doing it for her, he's doing it for him, he's allowing himself that belief that he can be better because he's acknowledging that the desire is there. And that desire has been brought to the forefront because of his love for Elena. But it's about *his* desire to change, and *his* choice to do so.
What I loved is that we are still seeing that play out. In this episode, Kai threatened Bonnie, and it wasn't even overt or anything. He just moved towards Bonnie and started to put a hand on her. Then in a flash (subliminal CW promotion, LOL! not that that particular show needs it, hah!, but it's cute and hey, one of Damon's former victims, Professor Wes Maxfield, is in the cast), Damon had him pinned to the wall and was in uber-protective mode. And it was awesome! Last week, Bonnie was protecting her pseudo-big bro and this week, it's Damon turn to protect his baby sister. So adorable. I loves it so much.

 

Seriously, like I said last week, I honestly could not imagine them writing Damon and Bonnie any better. They are writing their dynamic beyond utter and absolute perfection. Every single moment with them is just so beyond splendiferous. They are keeping the bit of snark and sass between them, but the affection and love is so there and real. I completely buy the growth of their depth of feelings for each other, and yet, they've written and directed them in such a way that there is not a scintilla of sexual or romantic tension in their scenes. And you've got to give kudos to the actors (especially Ian Somerhalder, because the man does just drip sex and can make any word sound like seduction) because they've played every moment between Bonnie and Damon as siblings. I just can't get over how *right* their dynamic is. I love it so beyond so hard there are no words. (And yet I just spent over 150 words rambling about it, hah!)

You know what other friendship I also got a kick out of this episode, and one I knew that I would enjoy bunches if we ever got there? Stefan and Elena. Yuppers. I thought they were great. Even that totally over-the-top proposal, it was just hilariously adorable. (I mean a bullfight wound? Really? Cracked me up.) * These two are sooooo in the friend-zone and I love it. And I meant it when I said I get a kick out of them. Honestly, I kinda love them as friends, they fit really well together. Whereas their similarities hurt each other as a couple, as friends, they complement each other. And they are able to call each other out on their shit now because they've taken off their rose-colored glasses no longer held captive by the doppelganger spell or by Stefan's need to only present the bestest version of himself. So, yeah, as friends, Stefan and Elena are pretty great. Me likes.

* But seriously, damn you CW promo monkeys. Such ridiculous fan-baiting! There was absolutely no reason to do an entire promo devoted to Stefan/Elena ship-baiting. It was stupid and cruel. Stupid because it no doubt riled up Damon/Elena fans who didn't need to see this with their couple separated for an entire season so far, who would feel like boycotting the episode. And it was cruel to do to Stefan/Elena fans because Stefan and Elena are *not* in a romantic state and this episode was in no way romantic for the pair. In fact, it once again made it clear to Stefan and Elena fans that their couple is dunzo, over, kaput and finished and that Damon is THE love of Elena's eternal life.

Oh, yeah, and Damon is not dead so when he comes back… Elena will be ready and waiting for him. And that even with Damon supposedly dead and gone for all eternity, and even with Elena "hating" Damon, Elena still's not romantically interested in Stefan anymore. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that with Stefan fully and completely aware and accepting of the fact that Elena is in love with Damon and Damon is in love with Elena. Oh and that Stefan is totally and completely in 'I LOVE MY BROTHER' mode so there ain't no way he's ever going to go back on the Elena-train, Stefan and Elena are so done. So, yeah, CW promo-monkey's give it up. Because, Stefan has made it clear who he can't live without… Damon!

OH. MY. HEART.

 

STEFAN IS RESTORING THE CAMARO!!!!!!!!! I just—I have no words. OK, yes, I do have words. But I—oh my word. When I realized it—which I confess I did not at first because I was too busy flailing over Elena calling Damon her soulmate and the beautiful song ("The Power of Love" by Gabrielle Aplin) that was playing over the reading of Elena's note to herself and pride in calling Alaric not making the right decision (see below) and thinking about Elena's Caroline issues (again, see below), phew… Anyhoo, when I went back after I finished watching the episode and talking to a friend to rewatch the letter-reading, I realized then that Stefan was restoring the Camaro and I gasped and called butterfly (said friend I was talking too) back and was just all a'flail all over again.

I am not exaggerating when I say that I was literally verklempt, like almost teary-eyed. My heart was uplifted with feels and I was just... STEFAN IS RESTORING THE CAMARO! and it just overwhelmed with so many feels. SO MANY FEELS! I mean... aaaahhhhhh!!!! Oh, Stefan. Oh, my heart. Aaaaahhhh!!!

Breathe, breathe.

So, gah, the writing was so very good in this episode. Earlier when Stefan had been detailing throughout the day the many, myriad different ways that he reinvents his life to start over, Elena had casually patted his little red car and pointed out that this was a remnant of his past. Nice little foreshadowing there because, yeah, holding onto *his* car wasn't Stefan holding onto his past, oh no, not at all. That was just the lead up to the big event, the big reveal. So, so brilliant. I just loved it.

And it was so very, very earned, not just on a Stefan loves Damon, the Brothers Salvatore level, but also on a Stefan Salvatore the character level. How Taylor and Reynolds showed the evolution of Stefan's characters using the flashbacks was just beautiful and brilliant. By utilizing the history of the character and how well these characters have been written and how well we know them we were able to read not only Damon, but, Stefan also. Because the character—as opposed to character relationships—of note in this episode was Stefan. We needed to see Stefan acting as he did in 1994. Seeing Damon coming to him, wanting to hang with him, being a good vampire (for the most part—he drank a little blood, erased their memory of it, didn't kill anyone, didn't hurt anyone and was playing nice). However, then Stefan broke his neck, took his ring, yet still Damon played nice. He still wanted to go all road-trippy with Stefan. Then here comes the key to showing how much Stefan has changed.

Back in 1994, Stefan was a tool, he totally rewrote what happened in 1912 and 1942 and dude wasn't even there in 1977, he just took his precious Lexi's take on the situation and made Damon the total bad guy. Furthermore, he blamed Damon for him being a ripper. For reals?!?! And here's where the history and character strength of the show comes into play. Of course, Damon then lashed out, of course he did. And we know this is exactly how Damon would react because we know this character so well. Of course, this is not to excuse what he did because it was horrible and wrong and terrible, but that's what Damon does, we know that, when he gets hurt, he lashes out and Stefan was being a sanctimonious, holier than thou ass while Damon was just trying to reach out and spend time with his brother.

OK, now here is where the awesome, awesome writing comes into play. The fact that we saw all that happen *then* made what we are seeing with Stefan *now* have such a strong punch because we have been seeing the progression of Stefan and Damon's relationship (especially with Lexi's departure from Stefan's life) and so where Stefan is now rings true. It has been earned. The fact that we saw Stefan acting as we did in 1994 and how we saw him talking about Damon now, we see fully just how he truly feels now, but more importantly how much Stefan has grown. It shows how much more open and honest he is with himself.

At last, Stefan Salvatore is becoming a real boy! He *is* finding himself; he is becoming more his own person and not the fake persona that fucking Lexi basically tortured him to be. Because that is what bish did! (Seriously, that is what she did.) But it's OK because Lexi is (hallelujah!) gone and Stefan is going to have his Damon back soon (I'm still thinking it will be a four to six—OK, clearly, it'll be a five to six episode now—timeline for the Damon and Bonnie return), and I can't wait because I love my Brothers Salvatore. Seeing them together (even if Stefan was a tad tool-y) was lovely because I have missed them.

We had the lighter side, Stefan teasing him about the squirrel taste of his bloody afternoon thirst-quencher with either fur or rat droppings. HI-larious, if gross, LOL! And we also had the angsty brotherly love, I so, well love. Oh, Stefan! Going all fight club of one (and whomever is around and unaware-they're-a-member) to assuage his pain over losing Damon. I was wondering why that dude kept staring at Stefan and Elena. Obviously, there was a reason, but I had no clue they were going there. So, yeah, Stefan was hiding something… and now we know what it was. Stefan's been using physical pain to deal with his emotional pain since Elena stole the memory loss method of dealing with her Damon-pain.

Speaking of… ooh, burn! Damn, Stefan. Go, you, with your 'don't be all judging how I mourn Damon when you did what you did, Elena!' He was so not down with her Damon-bashing and was just not having any more of it. You could just see it on his face. 'If she says one more thing about my big bro when I know that girl was all about him. Calling me all the time, Oh, Stefan, have you found a way to bring my Damon back to me? I mean, dang, she dumped my ass for him. Hel-lo!' He finally just let it rip.

So, yes, you go, Stefan. You defend your brother and you wake Elena up to the reality of what she did. I get it, I get why she did what she did, but I think she should know what she did. And why. I think it's better now that she knows so she can make an informed decision, which she did at the end. And aha! And I also think I know *why* the show decided to go this route with Elena and the memory loss and frankly I think it's pretty dang brilliant when you think about it. Obviously neither of my theories hold any weight now (which, although making deliciously angsty great television, would have been painful as hell, so I can't say I'm bummed about that!).

Now I'm thinking that the whole point of Elena losing her memories was so that the writers didn't have to write a near-suicidal depressed leading lady without taking away that she loves Damon. This selective memory arc accomplishes that brilliantly without in any way impugning on the Elena and Damon love story, and allows the writers to not drown the viewers in Elena's depression/killing-crazy character which is what she was in the first two episodes. I mean, can you imagine having at least five episodes (which is where we would be at this point) of that? I mean, it would be REALLY depressing, and it wouldn't make good television. This way, they keep the Damon and Elena love untouched, pure and completely sacrosanct, but also are able to write Elena more or less as a functional, normal Elena who interacts with the other characters. And once Damon returns, she gets her memories back, we get our reunion and their story continues with whatever they have up their sleeves. It makes perfect sense.

So what's the point of the Liam and Elena scene then, you may wonder. Well, I'm really thinking that he is related to either the Gemini coven or Kai now because he was clearly introduced into the Elena storyline and *knew* about her for a reason. And it just can't be to be an Elena love interest because once Damon comes back, yeah, right. Let's get real, the show has managed to keep the strains and reminders of Damon and Elena's great, OTP love running throughout every episode even without interaction between the two.

In this one, we had Damon talking about needing to get back to her (and Stefan—which I loved, I must say, aww!). As well, we had the opposite of last week which was much more focused on Damon's side of how much he loves Elena with how much Elena loves Damon with Stefan's words to her, and then her own words to her. In her journal, she called Damon her soulmate, said that she loved him with a passion that consumed her, we saw her handling his jacket and the pictures of the two of them together, she talked about how the pain of losing him was so intense she couldn't see an end in sight. We are constantly being reminded just how intensely and deep their love for one another is. How forever and true. I LOVE IT!

 

And I don't see how when Damon comes back we simply just won't see Alaric uncompel her. If we don't, it may not happen simply because he may not be there and in that case, we may wind up with a situation where Elena does overcome the compulsion. Maybe he says that she always talked about how their love could be strong enough to overcome compulsion and since they are stronger now, he'll kiss her to help it along. I don't know. Maybe. But I'm not worried about some weird way that Ric's compulsion doesn't work. He either just won't be right there around and available so Elena does overcome it herself or he will do it.

Speaking of Ric compelling her, can I just say I love when this show proves me right in how well I know this show. It makes me justified in loving it so dang much. Squee! Someone commented to my last post a concern about Ric choosing to compel Elena's memories away and I wrote in response:

[…]well, [Ric]'s not exactly in the best head space himself. So it's not like we're supposed to think that this IS a good decision. Which is one of the things I like about this show, just because characters do things, even supposedly good characters, it doesn't mean they are making the right choices.
I love when the show follows up (and this time, so soon!) proving that I do know this show. Woohoo!!

Oh, and Ric, can I just say how much I also loved him rather putting young (and I stress the word 'young' here) Jeremy in his place a bit. Yes, I obviously feel for Jeremy and all he's lost because he has lost plenty lots. But, lord, child, you are not the only one feeling loss and pain and resentment in the world. You. Are. Not. The. Only. One. Especially in this particular situation. And yet Jeremy is acting like he's the only one who did and is the only one who is becoming a completely non-functioning member of the universe.

Unlike young Matt Donovan. And, yeah, Matt hasn't lost as much as Jeremy. He's only lost his sister and mother, and every girl he's ever dated. Sure they haven't died, they've all just left him. And unlike Jeremy, Matt doesn't have a sister (right, his is dead) or a guardian, nor has he had someone who could even be counted as a true love (like Bonnie). Matt is just alone. Oh, yeah, and doesn't have money and has been playing the role of adult since he was like 15 years old and has been dealing with all of his friends lying to him for years before finally being inducted into the Scooby gang. But Matt is being awesome and stepping up to the plate, Jeremy!

Because Matt is awesome. And boy has he stepped into it! Off on his little fact-finding mission, has he found out way, way more than he bargained for, oh, yeah! Trying to ferret out information from good ole Tripp, Matt then gets stuck with way more information than expected. So he now knows that Enzo has been captured (gee, thanks Stefan! Toldja that one would bite you in the ass, ya fool! Don't worry, I still love you, boo!), and he knows that Tripp is gonna be torturing Enzo to find out about the other vampires, i.e., Elena, Caroline, Alaric, and Stefan (idiot!). Of course, what Tripp doesn't know is that any kinda torture he comes up with will likely be kid's play to Enzo compared to what he's experienced the last seventy years.

Still, it's gotta suck and you gotta wonder, what is Matt going to do with this information? I mean, of course, he's going to help, but how does he do this without completely giving himself away because I imagine he doesn't want to completely give himself up to Tripp yet, right? Yeah, I'd think not. Hmm…

I have faith in Matty, though, he's a smart cookie. He's been working with Liz and he clearly paid attention to Damon when he was his minion. I mean I've never seen anyone play-act as well as Damon has when Matt went to talk to Tripp. I practically bought that he knew nothing about what was going on with Jay's death. Plus, when he was suspicious about the "animal attacks," he played that with just the right amount of skepticism.

But, again, he clearly learned from the best: Mr. Damon Salvatore. Ah, Damon, Damon, Damon. First, let us get the shallow out of the way. Standing in the sun, wearing the white tee (whose official name I refuse to type), I was a very, very happy viewer, yes, indeedy.

 

So freaking hot. I thank you, universe, for blessing us with this physical specimen of such beauty. Ahem. Moving on. Now I must thank whoever on the show decided that in 1994 Damon Salvatore met a young Elizabeth Forbes because I died. I am typing this from the great beyond because that scene killed me dead; I loved it so hard. Damon and a young Liz looking at a picture of baby Caroline—who, of course (of course!) was a high-maintenance baby… but worth it! And then Damon, of course (of course!) got his flirt on with a young Elizabeth Forbes. And then I died again. LOVED IT SO HARD! And rewound it like a million times.

 

And, of course, with the compulsion broken in the town, we better get some little crack or mention from Liz at some point once Damon is back because she *should* remember this now. Yes, she should! (And we'll just ignore the creepy aspect of the fact that Damon had sex with someone whose baby picture he saw because… ewww! That's what you get with vampires who live for hundreds of years, though. :shrugs:)

Finally, bwahahahaha! So the Founder's Council was restarted BECAUSE of Damon Freaking Salvatore. Who later become not only a member, but the leader of the Founder's Council… that, again, was restarted because of Damon's actions. Damn, oh Damon! I love this show so hard. It's the little things, the awesome, awesome little things.

Phew! OK, onto the randoms…

- This episode was so awesome that I barely noticed that Caroline was not in the episode. And you all know that I love Caroline, even when everyone else was hating on her, I still loved her. And I barely noticed her absence, ya'll.

- OK, shallow alert, I so was not digging the denim shorts-jumper that Bonnie was wearing, sorry. The maroon top was cute, though. The 90's fashion, I know, I know. Still. I do continue to adore her sassy hairstyle though so much.

- Kai is a nickname for Malachi is cool, but wouldn't it be Chi? Of course, then people would pronounce it as Chi and think of Zen. Hmm. Am I overthinking it? Probably.

- Still on Kai. Wow, he is ONE FUCKED-UP dude, and I still think the actor, Chris Wood is doing a great job.

- I love that Kai is forcing Damon and Bonnie to go back to 2014 using his device and information and that it's not on Damon *at all.* This way it won't be on Damon doing yet another bad thing, you know? I truly appreciate that very much, thank you, show.

- Hmm, I wonder if Kai is gonna kinda be creepily into Bonnie when they get back to 2014? Imagine someone actually obsessed with Bonnie and not *gasp* Caroline?!

- So, hmm, the Gemini coven lied to Stefan because clearly they did know something funky was going on. I liked that it was brought up again. Very cool. I love that we got a little follow-up with that. And, ooh, speaking of follow-up/callbacks, I loved all the callbacks (1912, 1942, 1977, Zach—though, wow, he didn't age at all between 1994 and 2009, imagine that, hee).

- Yeah, I'm still not feeling Jodi Lyn Keefe's character, Dr. Jo. She just comes across as bitchy and conceited. I mean, you're talking to someone who's not a doctor in the emergency room and someone walks in covered in blood, the non-doctor is going to look at that person. Her question reasonably would have been "Are you OK? Does blood bother you?" Not "Pay attention to meeee because I'm hot!" Or even with that dialogue it could have been played light-hearted. I could imagine Torrey Devitto doing so with a light touch and a bit of a sardonic smile as she walked away. But, again, O'Keefe's Jo just came across as bitchy and conceited. Her character was the only issue in the entire episode for me. Ah well.

- I heart this show! There actually was a solar eclipse on May 10, 1994.

- "Poor nephew Uncle Zach." Bwah! I shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did when Kai said that but I thought that Chris Wood's delivery of it was fantastic. He just sounded so sad and sincere, but of course he wasn't at all, and the combination of saying it with the "nephew uncle" which he'd made fun of earlier just added to the hilarity.

- OMG! Sarah's a Salvatore! That is so awesome. There is another Salvatore! The Salvatore bloodline can continue, OMG! This is so, so awesome. You know, I had that thought earlier when I noticed that Zach and Gail were together, but of course, she was murdered by Damon, but when she showed Jeremy the picture and revealed that she had survived the attack, I was like OMG! Sarah's a Salvatore! There is another Salvatore! The Salvatore bloodline can continue! That is so awesome! (I'm so glad I like the actress so far, please don't be an Olga Fonda repeat because I didn't mind her terribly to begin with.)

- Hmm, Elena has some Damon/Elena-related-Caroline issues... like serious latent Damon/Elena-related-Caroline issues. She snarkily mentioned that Caroline would be all for Elena erasing her love for Damon in episode 02, and now in her letter to herself she, again snarkily, mentioned that Caroline likely spilled the beans. Methinks this is going to be discussed since in four episodes we've had two mentions. Uh huh! I be hopeful!

- Aha, so I'm thinking that the whole point of the knowledge-dropping about the compulsion not working once one hits Mystic Falls is so we'd know why Tripp suddenly understands what is going on with vampires. Clearly he'd been compelled about the whole vamp situation in his hometown. Now, he knows, and now (without it being spelled out because we found out last week about the compulsion) we know why he knows. Uh huh.

- *sigh* Damn you, sides! Exactly what I muttered when I saw Stefan RESTORING THE CAMARO! (SQUEE!) and someone was watching from outside. *double sigh* I think the ending would have been an awesome OMG! shocker and a delightful one at that because I did like Ivy but *triple sigh* when I read the sides for episodes ONE (yes, episode ONE—which I read after the episode aired), they revealed the Tripp secret AND that Ivy turned. So that was not a surprise to me. I've been waiting for her to be murdered and show up as a vampire since she first showed up. :shrugs: Still, it's nice to know that Enzo didn't kill *kill* Ivy. So I guess points for that. Extra you go, Enzo! for defending Caroline and Damon's memory without killing *killing* Ivy!

So, so… wow! What an episode, huh? Loved it so hard. It really was just sensational. I just really thought it was fantastic. I can't say I haven't loved an episode this much in a while because I adored 5.22, 5.21, 5.18, 5.16, but all of them ended muy, muy sad, so I ended them feeling like 'awesome episode, but damn, this is depressing!' This one I'm like 'awesome episode, I LOVE THIS SHOW! WOOHOO!' because it didn't leave me wanting to cry myself to sleep when it was over. I like that feeling about my show. So yay! I've enjoyed this season overall so far, but this episode? Aces! Just so top-notch. Love, love, love!
 
 
 
(Anonymous) on October 25th, 2014 01:58 pm (UTC)
My first reaction that sarah was a salvatore was ...DAMN jeremy just slept with a salvatore ..i mean seriously we all knew that was gonna happen eventually we just didnt know which salvatore lol
Arabian: Damon & Jeremy03arabian on October 26th, 2014 11:47 am (UTC)
I must confess I did spare a thought for that, but it wasn't there when I was jotting my notes down, LOL!

i mean seriously we all knew that was gonna happen eventually we just didnt know which salvatore lol

You're so bad! rotflmao!
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on October 25th, 2014 05:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the review. You never disappoint. I agree with everything. And I know that you would love the episode. It was amazing. Some questions answered that I had from previous seasons - namely promised misery from Damon to Stefan...
I cried like a baby when the Camaro was revealed with Elena's voiceover and the beautiful haunting music.
I loved all SE interactions through the episode. They made me smile. And the fact that Stefan is the one that told Elena the truth about her memory "loss" is even better. They are so only friends if it could be more obvious. I do not watch reviews so didn't even know what bating did CW advertising throw out.
Didn't expect Sarah to be a Salvatore. That was quite unexpected for me. Did you notice that the doctor who delivered her was Elena's father? Dr Gilbert?
I'm sure it was him. Not sure if it had any significance. I do wonder once Damon is back if his killing her mother and father will play some role in the story.
Also caught the comment Liz made about her husband getting kick out of Damon... so funny
Liz totally had to remember that interaction now with Damon from 1994.
I'm really happy about the season so far and loving my show.
Just as you I do not feel Alaric/Jo pairing. I don't really see any chemistry. She just doesn't do it for me. Miss Jenna big time. Even Meredith.
Alaric needs some amazing girl to love him and of course Damon back!
Damon/Bonnie - there is an amazing progress and Damon definitely will include (I'm sure he already does) Bonnie in his list of protection and love. How could he not.
Maybe I missed something but why would Bonnie not make it back and send only Damon? Is it to hold Kai back? I hope they both make it out. Not sure they will manage to keep Kai in the time loop. I think he might make it out with them. Probably just for new drama in the present.
Liam - there must be a reason he was introduced. I doubt Elena will be really interested in him now that she knows about Damon.
I cannot wait for her reaction to Damon when he is back and her knowing but not remembering.
Tripp - yep he will be a threat but Matt is on it. I'm pretty sure he will try to rescue Enzo. And Ivy... that was a surprise.

I just love my show and cannot wait for more. Looking forward to the return of Bonnie and Damon and what it will do to our resident group.

thank you for this.
Arabian: Damon05arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:02 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the review. You never disappoint. I agree with everything. And I know that you would love the episode. It was amazing. Some questions answered that I had from previous seasons - namely promised misery from Damon to Stefan...

Glad you're beginning to trust that the show is just awesome and not waiting for my approval, LOL! Yeah, the show is really beginning to answer those simmering questions as the characters begin to come into their own. I love it!

I cried like a baby when the Camaro was revealed with Elena's voiceover and the beautiful haunting music.

It was SO beautiful. ♥

I loved all SE interactions through the episode. They made me smile.

Me too.

And the fact that Stefan is the one that told Elena the truth about her memory "loss" is even better. They are so only friends if it could be more obvious.

Yes, yes, yes. It was so perfect that it was Stefan who told her, and Stefan who told her because he couldn't take her bashing Damon. I loved that.

I do not watch reviews so didn't even know what bating did CW advertising throw out.

They showed Elena hopping on the back of his motorcycle and then him asking "Elena Williams" to marry him and her looking all happy at him. For reals. So stupid.

Didn't expect Sarah to be a Salvatore. That was quite unexpected for me.

That one was a shocker for sure!

Did you notice that the doctor who delivered her was Elena's father? Dr Gilbert?

It wasn't. I didn't think it was, and when you said it I went back and checked, and then checked the credits and it's not. The actor definitely would have been credited otherwise.

I do wonder once Damon is back if his killing her mother and father will play some role in the story.

Oh, I'm sure it will. I mean, she's his niece of sorts, and they definitely are family so that will totally add a rocky (to say the least) bent to their relationship.

I'm really happy about the season so far and loving my show.

*sigh* Me too.

Just as you I do not feel Alaric/Jo pairing. I don't really see any chemistry. She just doesn't do it for me. Miss Jenna big time. Even Meredith.
Alaric needs some amazing girl to love him and of course Damon back!


Well, to be fair, I didn't think he had great (or even good) chemistry (oh, heck, ANY chemistry) with Jenna or Meredith frankly. I don't think there's anyone they've paired him up with Matt Davis has had any chemistry with. Other than, of course, Isobel, now he and Mia Kirshner, *they* had chemistry. But, yeah, that's done for.

Damon/Bonnie - there is an amazing progress and Damon definitely will include (I'm sure he already does) Bonnie in his list of protection and love. How could he not.

Well, he clearly already does. We saw that in this episode. Squee!

Maybe I missed something but why would Bonnie not make it back and send only Damon?

Where are you getting this from? Did I say anything that made you think I was indicating that? Or did the show indicate that for you? I totally expect Damon, Bonnie AND Kai to all go back, well, forward to 2014.
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries--Damon--Really Now?amberfocus on October 26th, 2014 03:05 am (UTC)
So if compulsion doesn't work once they cross into Mystic Falls, once the magic barrier falls, can't they just take Elena home and she'll remember Damon? Is that too simple of a way out?

It has occurred to me, though, that they won't lift the compulsion at all, and Elena will just have to fall in love with Damon all over again. Because she would. And it might be kind of wonderful to see it happen from scratch. Sort of like in that movie where the wife is in an accident and forgets the last 4 years of her life and her husband has to find a way to get her to fall in love again. Unless Damon gets all noble and stupid and decides she's better off not loving him, which would irk me. Wouldn't last, but I can see them doing it just to torture us.

I thought I noticed a tiny touch of flirting with Bonnie and Damon. Not in a serious way, because they are both totally in love with other people and would never act on it, but in a "I've been stuck with this really gorgeous person for 4 months and what else do I have to do than flirt?" sort of way. You really only see a brother/sister vibe? Not even a smidgeon? I mean I know the prescription on your Delena glasses is the strongest available, but not even a teensy bit?
Arabian: Stefan05arabian on October 26th, 2014 11:34 am (UTC)
So if compulsion doesn't work once they cross into Mystic Falls, once the magic barrier falls, can't they just take Elena home and she'll remember Damon? Is that too simple of a way out?

Well, we discussed that in my last thread so it is a possibility, but there's a BIG problem with that. Elena could also die if she's in Mystic Falls for longer than about 30 seconds.

It has occurred to me, though, that they won't lift the compulsion at all, and Elena will just have to fall in love with Damon all over again. Because she would. And it might be kind of wonderful to see it happen from scratch.

And I discussed that in major length in this long-ass theory I put out there a few posts ago that I thought they were going to do but it just doesn't make any sense with Elena knowing that she's been compelled. Why wouldn't she just lift the compulsion? The only reason she did it is because she was so miserable without him, and now she knows that's why she did it, so there's no reason not to.

Unless Damon gets all noble and stupid and decides she's better off not loving him, which would irk me. Wouldn't last, but I can see them doing it just to torture us.

That was actually the entire theory I had come up with and I didn't find it irksome at all because it's TOTALLY in character for Damon and had they gone that route, the show had lain perfect groundwork for it.

I thought I noticed a tiny touch of flirting with Bonnie and Damon.

To each their own, but I didn't at all. And I've seen both Damon and Bonnie flirt with other people, especially Damon even though he's been in love with Elena since season 02 heavily. And in fact in this episode we saw her flirting with Kai.

You really only see a brother/sister vibe?

Yes.

I mean I know the prescription on your Delena glasses is the strongest available, but not even a teensy bit?

No, I don't watch this show that way, even Damon and Elena. I did in season 03 and it bit me in the ass majorly and I owned up to that. It's why the season 03 finale threw me for such a loop and I realized that after processing that finale. I had been watching the season with Damon/Elena blinders on and hadn't taken into account the Stefan/Elena side of the equation so I swore I would never do that again, and watch the show with Damon/Elena blinders on and I haven't. I don't do that. I watch what's happening on-screen. And the fact that it was LITERALLY written in the dialogue with a character comparing Damon and Bonnie to SIBLINGS, well, I don't think I'm crazy to see them only as siblings. Especially when we also saw Damon flirting with Liz and Bonnie flirting with Kai and that interaction was NOTHING like what they shared with the other. Bonnie loves Elena like a sister and she knows that Elena loves Damon with all of her heart. She is NOT going to be flirting with him. Bonnie's not that type of character. And Damon, now that he has Elena, is NOT going to even chance messing it up by flirting, even a smidge, with Elena's "sister" just for fun...on the off-chance that it will hurt things with Elena. It doesn't matter how hot they are.

So, no, I don't think I'm being delusional at all. I think anyone who is seeing flirting or romantic/sexual subtext here is the one seeing things. Again, especially when you literally have a character comparing them to siblings. That's not subtext. That is LITERALLY text. And when you literally have scenes with both characters flirting with other characters and that interaction is nothing like how they interact, or, you know, how they have ever flirted with other people in the past. When Damon Salvatore flirts, you know he's flirting. So, no, Damon is not flirting with Bonnie.

I was worried about it, so I was looking for it. I've BEEN looking for it, big-time. I actually went into this episode expecting it because of the Jeremy/Sarah situation and the Elena/Liam stuff last episode, so I was very, very much watching how Bonnie and Damon acted, and I was thrilled instead to see that the show is very much writing them and Ian and Kat are very much acting them as brother and sister-like. And the "sibling" comparison in the actual dialogue confirmed that.
suckerfordelena: Ian Somerhaldersuckerfordelena on October 26th, 2014 01:56 pm (UTC)
Part I - Bamon
Hey there!

First off I would like to start off by saying, thanks for the mention. :) I know, just a short one but I appreciate it anyway. :)

So, now, on with the comments!

And, yes, Damon and Bonnie are obviously supposed to have a sibling-like relationship which is so what I wanted.
I agree! I am fully on board with your this decision! I am also loving the Bamon brother-sister relationship! And that scene in the episode where Kai moved forward to put his hand on Bonnie's shoulder and then Damon went all protective and said,"We may be having a bit of a disagreement but don't ever lay a hand on her." That was super awesome! I love Bamon this way! And you are totally right when you said that if anything sexual comes in between them it will ruin this. So the should remain the way they are!
Arabian: Damon & Bonnie01arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:03 pm (UTC)
RE: Part I - Damon and Bonnie
First off I would like to start off by saying, thanks for the mention. :) I know, just a short one but I appreciate it anyway. :)

I try and give credit where due. :)

yes, Damon and Bonnie are obviously supposed to have a sibling-like relationship which is so what I wanted.

I really don't understand people saying it's more than that. Of course, Ian and Kat do have chemistry, but the show is CLEARLY not writing and Ian and Kat are not acting anything *beyond* a brother-sister vibe. There's no 'getting in your dance space' moments, no inappropriate or even close-to-inappropriate touching, no soft, sexy voices, no innuendo. They are writing them as squabling siblings, period. Full-stop.

I agree! I am fully on board with your this decision! I am also loving the Damon and Bonnie brother-sister relationship! And that scene in the episode where Kai moved forward to put his hand on Bonnie's shoulder and then Damon went all protective and said,"We may be having a bit of a disagreement but don't ever lay a hand on her." That was super awesome!

Yeah, I watched that part so many times. It was just fabulous.

I love Damon and Bonnie this way! And you are totally right when you said that if anything sexual comes in between them it will ruin this. So the should remain the way they are!

Yeah, adding anything beyond a sibling vibe to it would just ruin it, yuck, nope.

(Just a heads-up, you can put as much stuff as you can fit in one reply, it doesn't have to be broken down into sections of what you want to talk about. Like you can say Damon/Bonnie and bold that part, and then talk about them, a nd then Caroline/Enzo and talk about them in just one reply, and then move onto the next reply to my original post, and have a section Damon/Elena (bold that part) and talk about them, and then whatever else you want to talk about. You don't have to break up every section per reply. Fill up each comment with as much as you can.)
RE: Part I - Damon and Bonnie - suckerfordelena on October 27th, 2014 03:27 pm (UTC) (Expand)
RE: Part I - Damon and Bonnie - arabian on October 28th, 2014 11:42 am (UTC) (Expand)
suckerfordelena: Ian Somerhaldersuckerfordelena on October 26th, 2014 02:14 pm (UTC)
Part II - Enzo did not deserved what Stefan did.
I hate Stefan for what he did to Enzo! How could someone not?! In TVD we see again and again that Enzo never did something bad to Stef, and he even defended him! To prove my point here are some flashback(s).

Damon: Yeah, because you know what you never knew? The whole time I was in that cell, every time I'd say something terrible about you or blame you for not coming to rescue me, Enzo would bring me back from the edge. Enzo reminded me that at least I got to grow up with a family, at least I had family still out there, which was more than he could say for himself. Said he envied me for having a brother. He defended you, Stefan, even though he didn't know you. Said it was good that we had people on the outside, people just living their lives free and clear of our Augustine hell, people worth holding on to our humanity for because we loved them. And all that time as a prisoner, every time I wanted to give up on you, Enzo stopped me from hating you.
This proves that Enzo was not to be back stabbed! Specially by Stefan! Damon told us whenever he said anything bad about Stef, Enzo defended him! He didn't even knew Stef at that time then also he defended him! How could Stefan still hate him?!

Enzo: What kind of coward gives up on his own brother?
Stefan: You don't know what you're talking about.
(Stefan gets up and vampspeeds toward Enzo, who holds him back with his arm, Enzo speeds him at the fridge and grabs another fork, stabbing Stefan in his neck.)
Enzo: Why don't you enlighten me?
(Stefan pushes Enzo back, he crashes into the dinner table and breaks it. Stefan removes the fork from his neck, Enzo gets up and speeds, pinning Stefan to the wall, but Stefan bangs his head against Enzo, who stumbles back leaving Stefan to punch him. When Enzo stumbles, holding on to the kitchen counter for support, Stefan snaps his neck.)

See here's another proof that Enzo didn't want to hurt Stef, he just wanted to know his reason for giving up. And of you see it carefully, he didn't initiated any attack, Stefan did. And even after Stefan snapped his neck, he was gonna go back, till the time he noticed Caroline in the car.

Enzo: Oh, well that was a bit of a bust. (He notices that she's sniffling and that she's not turned to him and his expressions turns into one of concern.): Hey, hey. (Enzo grabs her face and turns her to him, he sees her crying and he looks angry.): I'll be right back. (Enzo leaves Caroline sobbing in the car.)

Enzo: Okay. (He snaps her neck and she falls to the ground.)
Stefan: No! (Stefan vampspeeds toward Enzo but Enzo throws him back onto the ground, and slowly approaches him.)
Enzo: I've got a girl out there crying over you, because she cares so much. I'm over here trying to figure out why, because I can't see what's worth caring about. You know Damon once told me that he promised you an eternity of misery. And I remember thinking "well what could his brother have ever done to inspire so much hatred?" But now I get it...you're not a brother to him. Brother's don't give up. So every time I see you doing anything that looks like you've done so, every time you try to start over in a life that's nothing but a lie, I will make you pay. I will be the one to bring you the misery you deserve.
(Stefan growls and vamp-speeds at Enzo, but he snaps Stefan's neck and Stefan falls to the ground.)

See, here's another poof that Enzo didn't want to hurt Stef. Seeing, Care crying riled him up to do that he did.

(Enzo is carrying ice bags when he notices someone following him. He avoids a wood piece and it gets lodged in the ice bag tearing it.)
Enzo: That was Caroline's ice.
Stefan: Yeah. Well, you'll be dead, so I think she'll let you off the hook.
(Enzo smashes the ice bag on Stefan's head. Stefan falls down but gets up again)
Enzo: I don't want to kill you, Stefan. (He takes out the wood stick from the ice bag and throws it at Jay who is standing behind Stefan with a gun. It stabs him in the neck.)
(Jay falls to the ground, dead)
Enzo: But it looks like he did.

Yet another prove that Enzo didn't want Stefan dead, or he could have easily let Jay kill him and gotten off the hook. No one would have doubted that Enzo was involved.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:04 pm (UTC)
RE: Part II - Team Stefan here
I hate Stefan for what he did to Enzo! How could someone not?!

Uhm, because they really, really love Stefan and only like Enzo? I did cheer on Enzo for what he did to Stefan because I thought that Stefan was in the wrong, but Stefan is my boo. I love Stefan, like lots and lots and uber-uber-uber lots.

In TVD we see again and again that Enzo never did something bad to Stef, and he even defended him! To prove my point here are some flashback(s).

Yes, he did. Enzo helped to send Damon back down a very, very bad path when Damon had already turned from a very, very bad path and for Stefan, it's Damon number one over everything and so Stefan blamed Enzo. So to Stefan, Enzo was a very, very bad influence on his brother. And then in "Man on Fire," Enzo came in and without knowing the full story tied him and Elena (who was ENTIRELY INNOCENT) to chairs, threatened to torture and kill them, attacked Bonnie and then Liv--again, who had done NOTHING wrong--and then kidnapped Elena. Later, Enzo tried to kill Stefan and then basically said I'm going to ruin your relationship with your brother for a long, long, long time by making you kill me, hahahahahaha! Oh, and then he, as a ghost, got him and Elena kidnapped by the Travelers, tortured, which led to them taking over Mystic Falls, destroying the magic, Stefan dying, Damon and the others going to the Other Side to save Stefan and, right, Damon dying. Oh, and in between that ghost stuff bit, there was Enzo almost burning him and Damon alive. So, yes, Enzo did do stuff to upset Stefan.

This proves that Enzo was not to be back stabbed! Specially by Stefan! Damon told us whenever he said anything bad about Stef, Enzo defended him! He didn't even knew Stef at that time then also he defended him! How could Stefan still hate him?!

Because Stefan is suffering from the absolute greatest grief of his entire nearly 200-year old life. His brother, the one he adores beyond all reason, his brother, who he basically became a vampire for, his brother, who he loves above all and everything, his brother, who he was supposed to stay on the Other Side but because Bonnie coughed and he caught her, so he did not, died. Stefan is beyond grief. He is beyond suffering. He is beyond the realm of pain right now. And then comes in Enzo, a guy who the last time that Stefan coherently saw him laughed as he told him he would make his brother hate him for plenty long time because he was forcing Stefan to kill him, and then the whole nearly burning him and Damon alive. And now here he is killing his girlfriend and giving him hell for not being a good brother. When for the last four months Stefan has been in the world's worst agony--which Enzo WHO DOES NOT KNOW STEFAN AT ALL! can have no clue about.

Yes, I was cheering Enzo on, but on the other hand, Enzo has no clue. He does not know Stefan. He may have heard Damon bitch about Stefan, but he ONLY HEARD Damon's side. And yes, he defended Stefan, but he did that FOR DAMON, not for Stefan. He did that for his friend, to make him feel better. All Stefan knows about Enzo is that he has tried to kill his brother, had led his brother down a dark, dark path, kidnapped and tried to kill Elena, tortured and tried to kill Stefan, forced Stefan to kill him as a way to torment his brother and destroy their relationship, tried to drown/torture Elena, tried to burn Damon/Stefan, set Stefan/Elena up to be kidnapped leading to the events of what happened with the Travelers in Mystic Falls, and then he killed his girlfriend, tried to beat the crap out of him and guilted him about his brother and a relationship that Enzo (despite the piddly-five years he spent with Damon), he really knows nothing about.

So, sorry, I'm team Stefan in the big picture scheme of things. Between Stefan and Enzo, I will ALWAYS be team Stefan. On TVD, the ten main characters in order of faves for me? Damon, Elena, Matt, Caroline, Stefan, Alaric, Bonnie, Jeremy, Enzo, Tyler

Edited at 2014-10-27 12:04 pm (UTC)
RE: Part II - Team Enzo! Always and Forever... - suckerfordelena on October 27th, 2014 04:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
RE: Part II - Team Stefan Always and Forever... - arabian on October 28th, 2014 11:47 am (UTC) (Expand)
Part I - arabian on October 28th, 2014 11:54 am (UTC) (Expand)
Part II - arabian on October 28th, 2014 12:03 pm (UTC) (Expand)
suckerfordelena: Ian Somerhaldersuckerfordelena on October 26th, 2014 02:16 pm (UTC)
Part III - How did Stefan repaid Enzo?
And how did Stefan repaid Enzo for all this?

1) Enzo: Right. Cavalry's on their way, so why don't we put a pin in our little spat till this all gets sorted, eh?
(Stefan walks to where Jay's body lies, picks up his gun and points it at Enzo)
Stefan: No, thanks.
Enzo: You've got to be bloody kidding me. I just saved your life.

Is this a way to thanks someone who saved your life?

2) Tripp: My fault, sorry. I sent her home for the night. Can have you killing any more of the wait staff. (He injects Enzo vervain.) Consider being more discreet when you feed. You never know whose eyes are watching.
Enzo: This normally works, doesn't it? Knocks vampires right out. See, I'm a bit different than a normal vampire. I can fight the vervain. Not for long, but ... (he heads in Tripp's direction and grabs him). I will have to take care of you. (Two stakes gore Enzo and he lets Tripp off. It was Stefan who attaked Enzo with the stakes.)
Stefan: (Points at the weapon in his hand) Found this on one of your guys. I think he killed him though.
Tripp: Who are you?
Stefan: Stefan Salvatore. You and I have something in common.
Tripp: One of the founding families. THank you. Acutally, if you don't mind - I have my own way I liked him to die.
Stefan: (hands Tripp the weapon) Just make sure it's painfull.
(Stefan leaves.)

Or is this the correct why to thanks him for saving Stefan's life? Yes! He killed Jay, but to save you Stefan! There's no way anyone can't hate Stefan after that!

So, here what I wanted to say. Enzo did not deserved what he got! No, bloody way in hell! I am just eager to see what he will do to Stef when he finally is free! I hate Stefan for what he did to Enzo. Previously he was in my top four character but after the act he had fallen down. The show gives proves again and again that Enzo didn't mean Stefan any harm and yet Stefan go and hand Enzo over to Tripp.

Sorry if I am being too hateful towards Stefan, but you should know one thing, I am very passionate about everyone I like. And I don't take it very nicely if someone even thinks about hurting them. And here Stefan not only hurt Enzo but he handed him over to die! I know, I know, he's not gonna die. He series regular, but that doesn't means I hate Stefan Any less!
Arabian: Damon&Stefan04arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:10 pm (UTC)
RE: Part III - Stefan is reeling from Damon's loss
And how did Stefan repaid Enzo for all this?

I'm not saying that Stefan is handling this the right way. I'm going to quote my last review.

whatever pain Stefan is feeling, it doesn't excuse his behavior. Just like whatever pain Damon was feeling it never excused the shit that he did. I get that he's pissed at Enzo, but clearly Tripp has some anti-vampire agenda going on. Elena, Caroline and Alaric are vampires. Does Stefan really not think that exposing one of their own (and, yes, Steffie-poo, Enzo is one of their own now!) to Tripp with his vampire-hunting/killing ways the best course of action? No, it's not. I mean, really, Stefan! *sigh* I had originally written in my notes about Stefan: "are they trying to make us dislike Stefan? Gah! I get that it was awful what Enzo did to Ivy, but still Enzo was one of his brother's best friends and to do this is just terrible and then to just walk away from Caroline like that. I know that he's hurting, I get that, I totally get that, but geez, Stefan." And obviously, I still stand by that.

However, after reasoning it out a bit more and thinking it through, Stefan is just not thinking. He has shut down. Think back to that first scene. He had found himself a small piece of equilibrium where he had convinced himself he was "fine." (Pshaw!) Then Enzo and Caroline showed up and it completely harshed his buzz, ruined his peace, broke through his Zen. We saw that by how he treated his douchebag boss. And instead of facing the reality behind all of this?I lost my brother and I'm not dealing with it?he decided to just blame it all on Enzo. That's it.

Ignore the loss of Damon and how it's killing him. Ignore the fact that cutting himself off from all of the other people he loves and who loves him is STUPID! Just shutting down and doing the Stefan thing, i.e., burying his head in the sand and accomplishing nothing is, well, accomplishing nothing. Instead of facing all of that, he has decided to blame Enzo. Full-stop. In other words, boo is a little out of his mind, back on the revenge train much like he was in season 03 and is getting a little squirrely right now. He lost his brother, and as we all know, Stefan loves Damon like WHOAH! and he just can't handle it.


And that is what I'm getting at. What Stefan did to Enzo is NOT right. The show is not saying it's right. And it is GOING to come back and bite Stefan hard in the ass, just like what he did in season 03 came back and bit him in the ass when he tried to go after Klaus. But this is what Stefan does, he shuts down and he focuses all of his pain on revenge, and now that is directed on Enzo, right or not. And it's not right, and if anyone knew what he did, they would be upset and once it comes out, he'll get called out (especially by Caroline,). But it comes from somewhere. Enzo did awful things to Stefan and enough to Damon in his justifiable anger to get on Stefan's bad side and because Enzo doesn't know Stefan at all, he didn't think for a second that Stefan had a bad side. These are the consequences and the whole Scooby gang is going to have to deal with the fall-out of not just Stefan's actions, but yes, what Enzo did last season as well.

Or is this the correct why to thanks him for saving Stefan's life? Yes! He killed Jay, but to save you Stefan! There's no way anyone can't hate Stefan after that!

I can't hate Stefan. At all. Because Enzo tried to kill Stefan and other awful things. One right thing doesn't make up for all the wrongs. And Stefan is totally messed up in the heart right now because he lost his brother and it is completely destroying him and Enzo rubbed a vicious, painful, wretched amount of salt in that wound that is festering deeply inside his soul. How can anyone hate Stefan when he's going through that right now?

So, here what I wanted to say. Enzo did not deserved what he got!

You're absolutely right. But neither did Stefan.

I hate Stefan for what he did to Enzo.

I don't.

The show gives proves again and again that Enzo didn't mean Stefan any harm and yet Stefan go and hand Enzo over to Tripp.

It was wrong what Stefan did, but until when he saved Stefan's life, Enzo had done some pretty awful things to Stefan as I broke down above.
RE: Part III - Enzo is also! - suckerfordelena on October 27th, 2014 05:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Part I - arabian on October 28th, 2014 12:11 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Part II - arabian on October 28th, 2014 12:14 pm (UTC) (Expand)
suckerfordelena: Ian Somerhaldersuckerfordelena on October 26th, 2014 02:19 pm (UTC)
Part IV - Carenzo and General comments
Okay, so if we put my Enzo love/Stefan hatred aside, I really love Stefan repairing Damon's baby! That was soo good! I love Stefan for that (No, I am not bipolar, I can just switch my emotions really fast!) That was so Damn good scene! I was like aww... He's so cute! He loves his brother! See! See! That's just a mask! He cares! He cares! I hated Stefan whole Episode and that was the scene that made my heart melt. That scene was so so so touching! I was literately screaming at my laptop screen with happiness to get the Stefan we know and love back!

Now, I read your reply to my comment. And I have a question, why don't you like Carenzo? They are so cute together! I know you might have explained your reasons in some of your post, but I didn't read it (Sorry!)
I love Carenzo! They are like my second obsession!(First is Delena. Obvio!) I am so much into them that I even wrote a fic. A post 6X04 fic I think could happen. If you like to read it, you can find it on FanFiction. It's named,'Gambling Fate' by SuckerForDelena.
Even though I know that will not happen if the show. Yet. I firmly ship Carenzo. And usually my predictions are good (I don't want to come out as a bragging bitch. But that's true.)
When I first saw TVD Season 1 Episode 1, I was shipping DELENA. Even though there wasn't a hint of DELENA in that episode. I knew it would be there. Then I also predicted that Bonnie will get her magic back, and we saw that come true in last episode. Then comes Enzo. When there was the flashback of him and Damon in 'The Cell', I was like he had to return! He will return! And in the end of the episode ta-da! He was there! I was also headset on believing that Damon would come back Vampire! And we also saw that! And now I am in Team Carenzo. So I think that would happen. I don't know, but I have a feeling they will happen.

So, enough with that, now I want to point out all the good thing!
I love that your predicament was right. then one with memory loss arch. I know the show didn't exactly picked up what you predicted but it was somewhat same. I think.
And you know what? I was thinking that Sarah was Tripp's daughter. But it came out she's a Salvatore! I was also like you! OMG! We have one more Salvatore! Everyone of their blood line isn't dead! We will have more Salvatore babies! (Okay, so that too much in future! but can't help it! My mind works overly fast in these types of things! Lols!) Maybe a baby could look like Damon?! And them my mind drifted off to imagining Baby Damon! *drooling* I agree Damon can't have children but that doesn't mean a Salvatore couldn't look like Damon, does it? Lols! :D
But there's one drawback there also. Damon killed both of Sarah's parents! I think Sarah will want to take revenge but then she would back off as she will realise that Damon's one of the last family she is left with. I hope she think this and make peace with Damon. That would be great.
And there is also a good think Sarah is alive. It will help Damon give up some of his guilt? He think he killed a pregnant woman and the baby, maybe this could help?
Well, now that I think about this, Damon always said he kill 'a pregnant woman'. He never mentioned that he killed an unborn child. Hmm... suspicious.
And, Stefan didn't knew about Sarah? Hmm... indulged. He admitted Gail in hospital and left before seeing if she was alive or dead. :/ I think he knew?
I also don't like Alaric and Jo together. I loved Jenna way too much to see Alaric with someone else. Meredith was there and she was okay. I like her because she was good to Damon (If you conceder stealing blood good! Lols.) But my heart was still with Jalaric.
Well, now that we are talking about Meredith, do you think she may return? Tripp's back and he's a Fell, do you think they will bring her back? Maybe she comes to meet his (Whatsoever Tripp is.) But that won't be much help would it be? Cause we heard in episode 1 that she's married. :/
Now, I totally want Liz to 'talk' to Damon about that memory! That was so cute. And Liz was so right, Bill would have gotten a kick out of Damon if he met him!
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline07arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:10 pm (UTC)
RE: Part IV - Caroline/Enzo and General comments
He loves his brother! See! See! That's just a mask! He cares! He cares! I hated Stefan whole Episode and that was the scene that made my heart melt. That scene was so so so touching! I was literately screaming at my laptop screen with happiness to get the Stefan we know and love back!

See, and and it wasn't us getting him back. That's the same Stefan. He loves Damon and he's sublimating everything right now. You can't look at these characters and their scenes as separate entities. They're part of the big picture.

Now, I read your reply to my comment. And I have a question, why don't you like Carenzo? They are so cute together!

Because I ship Stefan and Caroline. Because I think those two are perfect together and I have since "Brave New World" all the way back from that episode which was the second episode in season 02 and everything that's happened since then has only confirmed that. Because Enzo's an OK character. I don't think Michael Malarkey and Candice Accola have all that great chemistry, and I just don't care for the idea of them together, although I do think the show may go there. On the other hand, I think that Paul Wesley and Candice have outstanding chemistry and I think the Stefan/Caroline storyline has been building and growing since "Brave New World" and it's beautiful and adorable and lovely and perfect and I just adore every, solitary, perfect, wonderful, fabulous thing about every solitary thing with them... even the moments that hurt because it's all about building to the moment when they're finally ready. They're just perfect for each other in every way.

Sorry, I'm not really interested in Caroline and Enzo at all. It's fairly obvious that whatever happens with them is just short-term because the show has been building towards Stefan and Caroline big-time and we should be getting them this season. We may get a triangle with them, but Stefan and Caroline, well, yeah, we've been building towards them for a long time.

But there's one drawback there also. Damon killed both of Sarah's parents! I think Sarah will want to take revenge but then she would back off as she will realise that Damon's one of the last family she is left with. I hope she think this and make peace with Damon. That would be great.

Oh, I'm sure there will be issues between Sarah and Damon, but she's also family! I mean, she's his niece of sorts, so that will totally add a rocky (to say the least) bent to their relationship. I expect story there.

Well, now that I think about this, Damon always said he kill 'a pregnant woman'. He never mentioned that he killed an unborn child. Hmm... suspicious.
And, Stefan didn't knew about Sarah? Hmm... indulged. He admitted Gail in hospital and left before seeing if she was alive or dead. :/ I think he knew?


No, he didn't. He left before the child was discovered to be alive. At least that's what I got from the scene.

I also don't like Alaric and Jo together. I loved Jenna way too much to see Alaric with someone else. Meredith was there and she was okay. I like her because she was good to Damon (If you conceder stealing blood good! Lols.) But my heart was still with Jalaric.

Eh, I didn't care about Jenna and Alaric. I loved Jenna, but not with Alaric. I didn't think he had great (or even good) chemistry (oh, heck, ANY chemistry) with Jenna or Meredith frankly. I don't think there's anyone they've paired him up with Matt Davis has had any chemistry with. Other than, of course, Isobel, now he and Mia Kirshner, *they* had chemistry. But, yeah, that's done for.

Well, now that we are talking about Meredith, do you think she may return?

No. Meredith was played by Torrey Devitto, Paul Wesley's ex-wife and rumor is that he cheated on her with Phoebe Tonkin (the actress who played Hayley, now on The Originals)--who Paul is still with, so we won't ever see Meredith back on TVD.

Cause we heard in episode 1 that she's married. :/

And moved to Alaska. And that would be why. To get Meredith as far from Virginia, because, yeah, she's never coming back to Mystic Falls.
RE: Part IV - Caroline/Enzo and General comments - arabian on October 28th, 2014 12:23 pm (UTC) (Expand)
suckerfordelena: Ian Somerhaldersuckerfordelena on October 26th, 2014 02:21 pm (UTC)
Part V - Complaint :/
So, I have one complaint. :( You didn't talk about my favourite scene! :/ I was hoping you would have noticed it! But you didn't, or don't think that it was good enough to be put in your review. :/
The scene above mentioned is then one in which Damon suggests that they steel the Ascendant form Kai and then leave but then Kai suddenly appears. Damon's reaction at that time was amassing.

Damon: Look, we must still get outta here, Bonnie. We must could that Ascendant . Because he ain't got powers anyway.
Kai (suddenly appearing at the door): Actually it's not that simple.
Damon: You gotta stop doing that, creepy.


This scene reminded me of the times then Damon pop up in front of Elena and Elena was like, don't do that! It's scary! I know Damon was like,'It's creepy' but you get what I meant, right?

Well, I know you are bored by now (Hope I didn't made you sleepy!)! I rambled a lot! Sorry! I mean this was supposed to be a comment not a whole essay! But that just how I am. When I am into something, I can't help it! Sorry, if I bored you!

Hope to hear from you soon! (I didn't scared you away with my this long post, did I?)

P.S.: I read your comment. I didn't removed the dialogues because, then I have to do the whole summary of them and then post it. Hope you don't mind.

XOXOXO

-T

Edited at 2014-10-26 02:22 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:11 pm (UTC)
RE: Part V - Complaint :/
So, I have one complaint. You didn't talk about my favourite scene! :/ I was hoping you would have noticed it! But you didn't, or don't think that it was good enough to be put in your review. :/ The scene above mentioned is then one in which Damon suggests that they steel the Ascendant form Kai and then leave but then Kai suddenly appears. Damon's reaction at that time was amusing.

Sorry, the scene was OK. It didn't particularly jump out at me in the sea of awesome that the rest of the episode was. But hey we all have things that we love, we can just love different things. And that's what great about commenting. If I don't mention something you loved, you can bring it up yourself! :)

Well, I know you are bored by now (Hope I didn't made you sleepy!)! I rambled a lot! Sorry! I mean this was supposed to be a comment not a whole essay! But that just how I am. When I am into something, I can't help it! Sorry, if I bored you!

No, it's great hearing what other people think! It's great knowing I didn't spend all this time writing my posts for no reason!

P.S.: I read your comment. I didn't removed the dialogues because, then I have to do the whole summary of them and then post it. Hope you don't mind.

It's your comment, you write it how you are comfortable writing it. :)
Frust-sheep: sheep: HAPPYfrust_sheep on October 26th, 2014 02:39 pm (UTC)
Awesome insightful entry again arabian! :D
Arabian: Elena01arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:12 pm (UTC)
Awesome insightful entry again arabian! :D

Thank you muchly. :)
(Anonymous) on October 26th, 2014 02:48 pm (UTC)
There was something in the episode that i hope you can help me to understand. When Stefan and Elena were talking in the bar she asked him why did he returned to MF 15 years earlier then he usually does (his 30 years rule). And he said - because i met you. WTF does he meant? He only met her BECAUSE he was already back in town! Did he lied/deflected ? Or he meant he STAYED in town because he met her? Like he returned not planning to stay but then he saved her from the accident and felt compelled to stay and watch her for 4 months and he had to know her so he compelled himself into high school?
Arabian: Elena10arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, he was just passing through to check on Zach, I guess and he met Elena and then stayed for her. I'm thinking that's what he meant. That's all I can figure.
Florencia: TVD (Don't Leave Me)florencia7 on October 26th, 2014 04:21 pm (UTC)
part I
6000+ words to read ♥ ♥ ♥

”Firstly, we'll just ignore that Stefan clearly does not get the full dynamic of why Elena loves Damon” - lol Yeah, let's not be too greedy and be happy with what he did get.

”That line "I actually kinda miss him" taken out of context seems rather lackluster when talking about one's recently deceased best friend, but when looking at the entire statement and in light of the entire episode's theme, it holds a much stronger punch.” - As much as I'm not 100% Team Alaric just yet this season, I didn't have a problem with that line, because it had that obvious sarcastic vibe to it that made it clear that it didn't reflect the depth of Alaric's actual feelings, but was rather meant to signify how complicated Alaric/Damon backstory and how complicated the world they all live in is, because in a “normal” world you probably shouldn't miss your wife's killer even a little.

”And instead of judging him, instead of looking at him as this vile, evil monster… Bonnie did what Elena, what Stefan, what Alaric does.” - Yes, I think this might be the main reason for that flashback, so we could have Bonnie react to it and see that now Bonnie was able and willing to look beyond the facts and Damon's demeanor.

”He gets to them, but they forgive him because he feels remorse, because he *is* a good person who is changing, who is a better person because of their love, who WANTS to be a better person because now he has people who love and believe in him” - YES YES YES! I love all of your thoughts and comments here and they make rejoicing in all that even more wonderful! ♥

”Damon is not changing or becoming better FOR Elena. I think it's BECAUSE of Elena's influence” - OH That's so true! Beautifully said.

”And you've got to give kudos to the actors (especially Ian Somerhalder, because the man does just drip sex and can make any word sound like seduction) because they've played every moment between Bonnie and Damon as siblings.” - lol! Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. And IT'S SO AWESOME. I didn't even dare to hope their dynamic would be so perfectly handled ♥

”Whereas their similarities hurt each other as a couple, as friends, they complement each other.” - THIS! I loved their scenes and I was caught off guard by how hilarious they were! They really do work as friends (as the slightly annoying S6 poster seemed to indicate ;)

”STEFAN IS RESTORING THE CAMARO!!!!!!!!!” - ♥ ♥ ♥

”Nice little foreshadowing there because, yeah, holding onto *his* car wasn't Stefan holding onto his past, oh no, not at all. That was just the lead up to the big event, the big reveal. So, so brilliant. I just loved it.” - Me too! It was wonderful. I love things like that. So lovely and clever.

”The fact that we saw Stefan acting as we did in 1994 and how we saw him talking about Damon now, we see fully just how he truly feels now, but more importantly how much Stefan has grown.” - Yes, that was probably the greatest thing about this episode and they truly outdid themselves with how fantastic the writing was, how coherent and smart and beautiful and perfect.

”Oh, Stefan! Going all fight club of one (and whomever is around and unaware-they're-a-member) to assuage his pain over losing Damon.” - This reminded me of 3x08. Another awesome callback. Clearly, that's one of Stefan's classic ways of dealing.

”Stefan's been using physical pain to deal with his emotional pain since Elena stole the memory loss method of dealing with her Damon-pain.” - Heh! Yes, that's a nice way of putting it! I half-expected Stefan to bring 4x10 up (since Elena couldn't accuse him of hypocrisy, I'm guessing, because she probably doesn't remember that conversation since it wouldn't make sense in the context of her New Brave memories.)
Arabian: Damon & Elena41arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:12 pm (UTC)
RE: part I
I didn't have a problem with that line, because it had that obvious sarcastic vibe to it that made it clear that it didn't reflect the depth of Alaric's actual feelings, but was rather meant to signify how complicated Alaric/Damon backstory and how complicated the world they all live in is, because in a “normal” world you probably shouldn't miss your wife's killer even a little.

Hmm, it's funny because I am totally team Alaric this season, while you're not and yet, I didn't get that from the line the first-go-round. It did bother me a bit at first. Interesting. Hmmm. I like your immediate take better, and I do think you're right.

Yes, I think this might be the main reason for that flashback, so we could have Bonnie react to it and see that now Bonnie was able and willing to look beyond the facts and Damon's demeanor.

I 100% agree.

”The fact that we saw Stefan acting as we did in 1994 and how we saw him talking about Damon now, we see fully just how he truly feels now, but more importantly how much Stefan has grown.” - Yes, that was probably the greatest thing about this episode and they truly outdid themselves with how fantastic the writing was, how coherent and smart and beautiful and perfect.

Yes! I was SO annoyed with Stefan in 1994! That scene with him being all sanctimonious with Damon after he'd taken his ring, I was just "UGH, STEFAN!" but without that scene to compare with Stefan in 2014, it wouldn't have the same absolutely awesome punch where you REALLY, TRULY see just how much Stefan has grown not just in his relationship with Damon, but in his own skin. I just loved it SO much.

”Oh, Stefan! Going all fight club of one (and whomever is around and unaware-they're-a-member) to assuage his pain over losing Damon.” - This reminded me of 3x08. Another awesome callback. Clearly, that's one of Stefan's classic ways of dealing.

Oooh, ooh! Good, good catch! I didn't even think of that!

(I included first part of my reply to the 2nd part of your post here because I ran out of room in that response to part 2, LOL!)

”This way, they keep the Damon and Elena love untouched, pure and completely sacrosanct, but also are able to write Elena more or less as a functional, normal Elena who interacts with the other characters.” - Yes, you're right! And it does make sense. I'm especially happy, because I resigned myself to preparing for a cringe-worthy DE reunion

Really?! This show does pretty awesome D/E reunions. I mean, think of even 3.08 when Damon and Elena weren't even together. Even as she's running to Stefan, she's whispering to Damon and giving him sweet, loving eyes. And, of course, 3.05 was a reunion of sorts, and the classic 5.12. And I'm sure there's others, LOL!

but now it's clear that OF COURSE the writers wouldn't “ruin” DE reunion like that and that even if by the time Damon's back Elena still won't have her memories back, the reunion will still have every chance of being romantic and beautiful, because now at least she knows, believes AND accepts the truth.

Yuppers.

Edited at 2014-10-27 12:15 pm (UTC)
Florencia: TVD (Brothers)florencia7 on October 26th, 2014 04:23 pm (UTC)
”This way, they keep the Damon and Elena love untouched, pure and completely sacrosanct, but also are able to write Elena more or less as a functional, normal Elena who interacts with the other characters.” - Yes, you're right! And it does make sense. I'm especially happy, because I resigned myself to preparing for a cringe-worthy DE reunion, but now it's clear that OF COURSE the writers wouldn't “ruin” DE reunion like that and that even if by the time Damon's back Elena still won't have her memories back, the reunion will still have every chance of being romantic and beautiful, because now at least she knows, believes AND accepts the truth.

Also, I didn't think it likely before at all, but now I think it actually is possible for Elena's memories to be restored before Damon comes back, because this episode (most prominently Elena's letter) made me realize that Elena's selective memory loss is more about Elena than about DE, so to speak, and that perhaps all the things that this memory loss is meant to do to and for Elena as a character, can (and maybe even should?) totally happen while she's without Damon by her side.

”If we don't, it may not happen simply because he may not be there and in that case, we may wind up with a situation where Elena does overcome the compulsion.” - I think Elena breaking the compulsion herself is sounding like a more & more likely possibility.

”Which is one of the things I like about this show, just because characters do things, even supposedly good characters, it doesn't mean they are making the right choices." I love when the show follows up (and this time, so soon!) proving that I do know this show.” - Of course you do! ♥ And I loved that line that we got from Ric. That's all I needed to feel better about what happened.

”And he knows that Tripp is gonna be torturing Enzo to find out about the other vampires” - Gee, I wonder whose name Enzo will give first if he'll have to or want to out someone? Lol Then again maybe he's better than that and THAT would be pretty awesome.

”Now I must thank whoever on the show decided that in 1994 Damon Salvatore met a young Elizabeth Forbes because I died.” - haha Me too! BEST EVER ♥

”And, of course, with the compulsion broken in the town, we better get some little crack or mention from Liz at some point once Damon is back because she *should* remember this now. Yes, she should!“ - Which makes me wonder why she didn't mention it to Caroline... At first I brushed it off as “she probably didn't think it relevant”, but then I realized that it *should* have made her think that something DANGEROUS could be in the works, because if she suddenly remembered being compelled, hey, maybe other citizens did too! By the same token, Matt should also remember being compelled by Katherine in S2 and Damon in S4, so he should also mention that to someone as a potential safety hazard OR at least something curious.

”the Gemini coven lied to Stefan because clearly they did know something funky was going on. I liked that it was brought up again.” - Ohhhh! I didn't realize that it was the same coven!! Good catch. Very interesting.

”And, ooh, speaking of follow-up/callbacks, I loved all the callbacks (1912, 1942, 1977, Zach—though, wow, he didn't age at all between 1994 and 2009, imagine that, hee).” - lol I LOVED the callbacks too and as for Zach, well, he does have good genes! ;D

”Still, it's nice to know that Enzo didn't kill *kill* Ivy.” - I kind of wish he had such a moment of cleverness before and fed Aaron his blood before kidnapping him ;[ lol

I loved loved loved the episode and loved loved LOVED reading your thoughts!!! ♥ ♥ ♥
Arabian: Damon&Stefan05arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:14 pm (UTC)
Also, I didn't think it likely before at all, but now I think it actually is possible for Elena's memories to be restored before Damon comes back

I was doing this little story in my mind where it's not and Damon is actually doing what Ric did, prodding her with moments from their past and she's remembering the implanted memories but things Damon is saying and their love is pushing forth the true memories and she starts to remember the real stuff on her own, and eventually he mentions her 18th birthday, and he hits on THAT memory and it opens the floodgates. *sigh* That would be cool. But, I don't know what they're gonna do.

because this episode (most prominently Elena's letter) made me realize that Elena's selective memory loss is more about Elena than about DE, so to speak, and that perhaps all the things that this memory loss is meant to do to and for Elena as a character, can (and maybe even should?) totally happen while she's without Damon by her side.

Maybe.

”If we don't, it may not happen simply because he may not be there and in that case, we may wind up with a situation where Elena does overcome the compulsion.” - I think Elena breaking the compulsion herself is sounding like a more & more likely possibility.</i>

I just keep going back to all the time we heard Elena asking Stefan and Damon to fight through the compulsion, saying their love was strong enough and yet it never happened. What was the point if it was never going to happen, you know?

Gee, I wonder whose name Enzo will give first if he'll have to or want to out someone? Lol Then again maybe he's better than that and THAT would be pretty awesome.

I think he is. I don't think Enzo will give any names up, and I don't think he'll give up Stefan's name because of Damon and Caroline.

”And, of course, with the compulsion broken in the town, we better get some little crack or mention from Liz at some point once Damon is back because she *should* remember this now. Yes, she should!“ - Which makes me wonder why she didn't mention it to Caroline... At first I brushed it off as “she probably didn't think it relevant”

Someone mentioned that as a crack about plotholes in your LJ and I got a little annoyed because it's not a plothole. Come on, that happened FOURTEEN YEARS AGO. She probably met him only that one time before she was on the Founder's Council (before there was one), before she was on the force and knew to look for things. And a few days later a horrible batch of murders happened. Damon has been "dead" for four months, do we honestly believe that Liz has suddenly remembered a random meeting with a guy she met fourteen years ago a few days before something like THAT happened? She spent what probably amounts to about 5-10 minutes with the guy. Of course she's not gonna remember him no matter how hot he is. Now once Damon returns, she might remember it. But do you remember every person, even good-looking guys, that you've ever met? Of course not. It was just a cute moment for fans.

As for the other things that they were compelled to forget in the last two years, Matt and Liz had been roughly told about all of this crazy stuff or know about it after the fact. Do you honestly think that they could separate all of the things that they were told or learned about from what actually had happened to them by this point? Again, of course not, it's all jumbled in their mind. As for the regular citizens... they don't know about the supernatural stuff, so any crazy stuff they're gonna put down to crazy dreams.

Sometimes we just have to apply logic and common sense.

I kind of wish he had such a moment of cleverness before and fed Aaron his blood before kidnapping him ;[ lol

Eh, Aaron wasn't a very interesting character or played by the best actor, LOL!

I loved loved loved the episode and loved loved LOVED reading your thoughts!!! ♥ ♥ ♥

Ditto and back atcha!
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Florencia: DE (Maybe)florencia7 on October 26th, 2014 04:30 pm (UTC)
AHHHHHHHH part III (lol)
I was just replying to jairem08 elsewhere and she brought up a VERY valid point about Alaric, that since he didn't just turn into a vampire, but rather became one via magic, then if he entered MF he shouldn't die, but just become human again. So HERE WE GO, because this made me *realize* that's EXACTLY what's going to happen (I think lol)!!!!!!!!!! That's why Alaric won't be able to uncompel Elena!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because he won't be a super-vampire anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *___________*

EDIT: OK, so I ran here to mention this & typed SO FAST that I'm not sure I made it clear that it was jairem08 who came up with the whole theory! She didn't just bring up the Alaric thing, but suggested that that's precisely why he might not be able to uncompel Elena!!! So the full credit for the theory goes to her, just wanted to make that 100% clear ♥

Edited at 2014-10-26 04:49 pm (UTC)
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on October 26th, 2014 04:56 pm (UTC)
RE: AHHHHHHHH part III (lol)
Oh thank you !
This was just a thought and maybe someone will find a way to refute it. I really cannot think and write so well and deeply like you guys. But I think that might be a good reason for Elena not being able to regain her memories via Alaric. Maybe they won't go this route at all. Maybe Alaric may die crossing the border after all? Why would not anyone think of it that he can enter? Unless no one is focusing on it.
But in 1st episode Alaric stated very clearly that he hates everything about being vampire. So maybe they may make him one?
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tj2013tj2013 on October 26th, 2014 09:10 pm (UTC)
It was so great to read your thoughts on this episode, thank you for sharing, as always!
I was a little confused about what I felt after watching it, it was like a lot of things had been set in motion. Then I read your post, watched it again and - here we go, all the pieces l fell into place. So, thanks for that!

The Kai guy? Wow. Last ep the actor didnt't impress me much, but this time? Gave me the creeps. If they don't kill him off, he could be the big villain of the season.

Stefan and Elena are best when they are friends. Loved every minute of their interaction, even laughed out loud when Stefan proposed.Nina is so funny. Her face when she said Elena was going to harass Stefan Enzo-style. Ha! She is great.

Bonnie and Damon: so cool. Everything I ever hoped for after them working together in "The last dance".

I hope Liz remembers meeting Damon in 94,. And her comment about Damon and her husband? Priceless.

And isn't it cool that a show sort of centers an episode around a character that has actually been killed off five seasons ago? That is amazing.

Stefan and the Camaro - man, I had tears in my eyes. All the Salvatore-feels....

You're right, I didn't feel the lady-doctor either. She is kinda lame. Oh Ric.

Looking forward to how this compulsion stuff and the magic free zone is going to play out. And of course - Enzo and Tripp? Uh huh.


Arabian: Stefan05arabian on October 27th, 2014 12:17 pm (UTC)
It was so great to read your thoughts on this episode, thank you for sharing, as always!

And thanks as always for commenting. :)

I was a little confused about what I felt after watching it, it was like a lot of things had been set in motion. Then I read your post, watched it again and - here we go, all the pieces l fell into place. So, thanks for that!

Why were you confused?

The Kai guy? Wow. Last ep the actor didnt't impress me much, but this time? Gave me the creeps. If they don't kill him off, he could be the big villain of the season.

Well, I never trust this show with "big villains for the season," I mean Michael was killed in episode 09, so who knows? But yeah, this guy is good. Well, you know, what I mean, LOL!

Stefan and the Camaro - man, I had tears in my eyes. All the Salvatore-feels....

So, so, sooooooooo many feels!

Looking forward to how this compulsion stuff and the magic free zone is going to play out. And of course - Enzo and Tripp? Uh huh.

I know, right!!!!
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Alisha: Janellekalishaka on November 17th, 2014 06:55 pm (UTC)
Yes! I am just going to say yes! Because right now...my thoughts you say them...and I just nod because there are all the things I think.

I had a feeling about the Sarah as a Salvatore thing, they kept having her mention it and I kept going "how could that even work?" so I kept just brushing it off and then this episode started and 'Poor nephew Uncle Zach' was there and I kneeeew! I still don't know how I feel about it. She just bugs me. She has done absolutely nothing for that...so maybe it's just me. I don't know if it's the actress, I would assume it has to be because the character really hasn't done anything, but I don't think she's done any bad acting...but apparently I just don't like her. Onward on this journey we go.

The Liz Forbes flashback with baby Caroline...LOVED IT!

The Bonnie and Damon storyline is fantabulous! I have nothing but nice wonderful feelings about it. Every bit of it is amazing, even Kai. Love it. All of it. Everything! I will almost be sad when they come back to reality.

But honestly, the best part of this episode for me was Stefan and Elena. Elena's grief has been this very obvious presence this entire season, even if just from the lack of it once the compulsion happens. And while we are not ignorant of Stefan's grief, because obviously he is running from it, this was the moment where we were really allowed to feel it. And it was so good. Using Damon's flashback to tell the story of the brothers, to contrast with how Stefan felt, how Elena felt, how Alaric felt, and when Bonnie puts it into words that he feels the guilty, feels the remorse. And that ties in with Stefan confronting Elena and telling her that she loves his brother for the same reason he does. Seriously it was everything I could have wanted from the reveal to Elena of what she had done.

Also, heh, Ivy!
Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on December 30th, 2014 10:06 am (UTC)
Yes! I am just going to say yes! Because right now...my thoughts you say them...and I just nod because there are all the things I think.

TVD BRAIN TWINS! YES!

I had a feeling about the Sarah as a Salvatore thing, they kept having her mention it and I kept going "how could that even work?" so I kept just brushing it off and then this episode started and 'Poor nephew Uncle Zach' was there and I kneeeew!

Hah! Poor nephew uncle Zach!

I still don't know how I feel about it. She just bugs me. She has done absolutely nothing for that...so maybe it's just me. I don't know if it's the actress, I would assume it has to be because the character really hasn't done anything, but I don't think she's done any bad acting...but apparently I just don't like her. Onward on this journey we go.

Well, at least you don't have to deal with the actress anymore! And maybe you'll like the actress playing the real Sarah better!

The Liz Forbes flashback with baby Caroline...LOVED IT!

SO PERFECT!

The Bonnie and Damon storyline is fantabulous! I have nothing but nice wonderful feelings about it. Every bit of it is amazing, even Kai. Love it. All of it. Everything! I will almost be sad when they come back to reality.

I have hopes and dreams that when Damon and Bonnie are reunited that their awesome fantabulous will continue! I do believe!

But honestly, the best part of this episode for me was Stefan and Elena. Elena's grief has been this very obvious presence this entire season, even if just from the lack of it once the compulsion happens. And while we are not ignorant of Stefan's grief, because obviously he is running from it, this was the moment where we were really allowed to feel it. And it was so good. Using Damon's flashback to tell the story of the brothers, to contrast with how Stefan felt, how Elena felt, how Alaric felt, and when Bonnie puts it into words that he feels the guilty, feels the remorse. And that ties in with Stefan confronting Elena and telling her that she loves his brother for the same reason he does. Seriously it was everything I could have wanted from the reveal to Elena of what she had done.

Yes, yes, yes! The juxtaposition of all of this was so brilliantly done. As I said in my post, using the difference in not only the Damon/Stefan relationship and Stefan in 1994 to the present, but also those notes in the Alaric/Damon relationship, what Elena has done, what is happening with Damon/Bonnie, just all of it to draw these contrasts, these parallels, these complements was just absolutely spot-on writing. I was blown-away. So, so good.
Bogwitchbogwitch on December 29th, 2014 09:44 pm (UTC)
Yes, I really enjoyed this one too! It was another of those episodes that makes me want to rewatch the whole show again to see how it all fits, but I shall wait until the end of the season.

Damon’s isolation does seem to have been his own choice though, because unlike Stefan, he does make connections with people easily. In the past there’s been Charlotte, Sage, Will, Enzo and he charmed his way around the current residents of Mystic Falls even while his switchy-offyness was dubious (I always thought Liz had a crush on him, now I’m certain), if he was such a loner, he wouldn’t have been able to do that. [I’m not sure where I was going with this point, but I left it in anyway!]

>> Stefan clearly does not get the full dynamic of why Elena loves Damon

To be fair on Stefan, he wasn’t privy to the most defining moments of DE’s relationship, so why would he know all the whys of her feelings for him?

As an only child, I’m not sure I fully understand brother/sister-type relationships anyway, but it’s really clear to me this isn’t a romantic thing; Bonnie just wouldn’t go there under any circumstances and for many reasons, but in the end Damon just wouldn’t be her type regardless - they’d be two positive poles of a magnet. I don’t get why some others can’t see that.

>> And we'll just ignore the creepy aspect of the fact that Damon had sex with someone whose baby picture he saw because… ewww!

Hee. Contrast this with all those on Tumblr who were desperate for Damon to meet (and hold) baby Elena in 1994!

Does this mean Sarah (real Sarah as it turns out) should inherit the Boarding House?
Arabian: Elena12arabian on December 30th, 2014 10:22 am (UTC)
Yes, I really enjoyed this one too! It was another of those episodes that makes me want to rewatch the whole show again to see how it all fits, but I shall wait until the end of the season.

Yeah, it was *that* good.

Damon’s isolation does seem to have been his own choice though, because unlike Stefan, he does make connections with people easily.

Oh, totally. Damon obviously withdrew from people after what happened with the Augustines. It took him a while to even remotely want to get close to anyone again.

To be fair on Stefan, he wasn’t privy to the most defining moments of DE’s relationship, so why would he know all the whys of her feelings for him?

Because he knows Elena and Damon better than most people, especially Damon, and knows why Elena would care about him, and he'd certainly know things about him that Elena could love beyond 'he made you OK with being a vampire.' He saw Damon there for her, comfort her, make her smile and laugh WHEN she was still human. This is just Stefan continuing to be willfully ignorant that Elena loved Damon before she turned.

As an only child, I’m not sure I fully understand brother/sister-type relationships anyway, but it’s really clear to me this isn’t a romantic thing

I have a brother and a sister and we have great relationships (and have had ups and downs), so I know very well. Definitely, definitely sibling!

I don’t get why some others can’t see that.

Me neither. :RME:

Hee. Contrast this with all those on Tumblr who were desperate for Damon to meet (and hold) baby Elena in 1994!

Yet another reason I am SO glad I don't read tumblr. :Shivers:

Does this mean Sarah (real Sarah as it turns out) should inherit the Boarding House?

Why would she? She could have it put in her name eventually, but it still belongs to the brothers. They're the eldest Salvatores after all. {Snerk}