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19 October 2014 @ 07:07 am
Another 'What Happens When Damon Comes Back' Theory (TVD)  
I was thinking and you know when I think I come up with more theories. LOL! Yeah.

OK, so I have another theory that condenses and takes off of the other theory. I still think that Damon will want Ric to not uncompel Elena, but I don't think that will last long now. I'm thinking that the point of Elena losing her memories of loving Damon will hopefully only be for a few episodes for a couple of reasons:

1.) To get Liam into Elena and the group's life because he probably does have a hidden agenda and is likely related somehow/someway to Kai. I mean, as florencia7 and others pointed out, how did he know that Elena likes bad boys? I mean, there's no way anyone who *did* know Elena even remotely well (or had even asked about her) didn't know that she was majorly, majorly, MAJORLY into her last boyfriend who DIED up until like two seconds ago and so to make the moves on her like that? Yeah, something fishy going on there.

2.) When Damon and Bonnie returns,* I'm thinking he'll see Elena with Liam looking happy, she'll see Damon and be/say horrible things to him, maybe not realize that Bonnie is back and wish he was dead, blah, blah, blah. Damon being Damon will take it as proof that deep down she still feels these things about him, blah, blah, blah because of his terrible self-esteem and issues. Therefore he will be convinced that, yes, he is the worst for her because of this and because the two of them never had that whole toxicity talk. So he'll want Ric to not uncompel her.

* I'm still thinking that they return within the 4-6 episode range. And hey, majorly mini spoiler alert! The next episode title is:

[Spoiler (click to open)]"Black Hole Sun" and that = hello, SOLAR ECLIPSE! So I'm thinking that the next episode is definitely possible for our new besties to make their grand return.

3.) Either Damon will tell Bonnie to tell Ric to not uncompel Elena because he wants her to be happy (blah, blah, blah) and take off to join Stefan in Savannah thus not telling Ric himself because Damon is nothing if not one who chooses to make his own life a living hell and denying himself the joy of even seeing his best friend is so him. Plus, yes, he does have to go see Stefan. Or, he tells Ric and Ric semi-agrees first but plans on changing his mind, then Damon takes off so Ric doesn't have the chance to change his mind. Either way, Ric winds up saying 'fuck this shit' because he knows Damon is being an idiot and he uncompels Elena on his own because he's going to do what *actually* makes Elena happy.

4.) When Damon and Bonnie return, things have changed with who they are. Bonnie will no longer be the anchor, she will be alive and have her magic. And Damon? I still say it's quite possible that Damon will be human. In 1994, he was a vampire, but in 2014, he may not. Remember Tyler didn't realize he was human until Caroline hugged him so hard and then he cut himself and didn't heal. And Damon had to check to see if he had fangs first. So Damon probably won't check to see if he's a vampire when he gets back to 2014, just assuming that he is. I say he will be human/Traveler, and that will come into play *after* Elena shows up wherever Damon is after Ric has uncompeled her. She plans on kicking his ass for not wanting her uncompelled, but they wind up just falling into each others arms, because, duh, they're Damon and Elena... but then, I dunno, Stefan gets kidnapped by Tripp or something, LOL!

5.) Still, because Damon wanted her not uncompelled, ALL of the Scooby Gang--including Elena--will know:

(a) How much Damon loves her, and puts her happiness first.

(b) The others will realize--thanks in part to what Bonnie has learned about him and how he feels how others see him--that Damon believes they all essentially still hate him, see him as a monster and wish he was gone.

(c) Elena will truly realize just how deeply his issues are ingrained.

6.) So we *will* get the Damon thinks he's a monster issues dealt with, the toxicity issues dealt with, the others finally getting that Damon is not the EVUL and Damon realizing that the others don't think he's the EVUL AND if Damon is human, Julie/Caroline D. get to write the Elena-vampire/Damon-human story they wanted to write with Damon getting the cure after season 04.

So, yeah.
 
 
 
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on October 19th, 2014 09:13 am (UTC)
Yes, to most of this because there doesn't seem to be a lot of change going on in the 1994 MF AU (I don't know it's an AU, but that's what I'm considering it to be). I was hoping this isolation and bonding would get Damon to open up to Bonnie about a lot of things, but he's as closed off as ever; so any change has to be as a result of their separation rather than the isolation itself. Shame that.

Having said that I think the 1994 MF AU is going to be deeply significant to the season as a whole (else why all the 90s song titles - unless they are just a bit of fun?), I just have no idea how.

I'm still not buying the !Damon thing though. It's still possible, but getting increasingly unlikely I think.

Black Hole Sun! That's two I have so far. I'm going to have to see how many of these I bought at the time, though by 1994 I was hanging around the whole Britpop thing.



Arabian: Damon & Bonnie01arabian on October 19th, 2014 11:53 am (UTC)
I'm not sure important 1994 itself will be, I mean, they used a lot of Cure song for titles, but that was clearly just for fun so they could just be doing the same thing here.

I don't see how human!Damon is increasingly unlikely since his situation hasn't changed since the premiere. Until he gets back to 2014, we just don't know.

It makes sense I think that Damon and Bonnie haven't gotten all gooey and gooshy with each other because that's not Damon and that's not who they are together. What *does* make sense though is BECAUSE of their isolation and these months together, once they get back to their real time period, there will be a closeness and a bond so that they will likely turn to each other and there will be a communication there that wasn't before.
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on October 29th, 2014 12:35 am (UTC)
Maybe, but Julie was implying there was more to the titles, though I don't have a clue. I have been speculating to myself that there has to be a Nirvana title at some point (even though we already has a Smells Like Teen Spirit), my money is on Heart Shaped Box.

No, we don't know, but I don't see there being any reason for a species change at this point, technically or narratively at this point in the overall story. This story was told with Katherine, if he was to become human now I think it will be towards the end of the show's run now. Also, it would have made more sense for him to have become human (as a soul or whatever they are) when he died than when he reappears because there is no reason for his vampirism where they are stuck other than for a shock later. Unless he is cursed by Kai or something, The fang thing could be a clue, I accept that, but could also just be a way of telling that nothing has changed. I suppose we will see!

I'm actually thinking now that Elena asks Alric not to return her memories. She can't imagine why she loves this monster, why would she want to return to that? Then of course, events prove otherwise...
Florencia: Damon (1864)florencia7 on October 19th, 2014 05:04 pm (UTC)
”I'm thinking he'll see Elena with Liam looking happy, she'll see Damon and be/say horrible things to him” - It may just be me being in a wishful thinking mode today, but the more I think about it the less plausible this scenario seems to me, mainly because right now we all kind of expect for their reunion to play out that way and TVD somehow usually manages to escape the routes that seem most likely.

”Either way, Ric winds up saying 'fuck this shit' because he knows Damon is being an idiot and he uncompels Elena on his own because he's going to do what *actually* makes Elena happy.” - haha I promise to make 10 SE icons if this happens! LOL Ric uncompelling Elena, I mean. I'd be totally shocked if Elena regained her memories in such a straightforward way - AND I'd be really disappointed if the scene in which Elena regains her memories turned out to be less spectacular than her dashing through the forest in 5x12.

”So Damon probably won't check to see if he's a vampire when he gets back to 2014” - That's a good guess! And as much as I still wouldn't mind if we skipped human!Damon storyline altogether, it gives me hope for an earlier reunion (because we'd have a perfect new serious issue to deal with), so if that's the price, I'm willing to pay it ;)
Arabian: Damon03arabian on October 20th, 2014 05:03 am (UTC)
It may just be me being in a wishful thinking mode today, but the more I think about it the less plausible this scenario seems to me, mainly because right now we all kind of expect for their reunion to play out that way and TVD somehow usually manages to escape the routes that seem most likely.

Well, I'd like to think we won't see Damon see Elena with Liam, but if there is a connection between Liam and Kai, we might. I'm open to it happening because I don't want to not expect it and be disappointed if it does happen.

haha I promise to make 10 SE icons if this happens!

Oh, Lord, don't do that!!!

LOL Ric uncompelling Elena, I mean. I'd be totally shocked if Elena regained her memories in such a straightforward way

Well, tams71 had an interesting point about the compulsion going away in Mystic Falls so maybe Elena will wind up in MF long enough for the compulsion to go away that way?

AND I'd be really disappointed if the scene in which Elena regains her memories turned out to be less spectacular than her dashing through the forest in 5x12.

Oh, I can't imagine that!

That's a good guess! And as much as I still wouldn't mind if we skipped human!Damon storyline altogether, it gives me hope for an earlier reunion (because we'd have a perfect new serious issue to deal with), so if that's the price, I'm willing to pay it ;)

I just think Damon as a human, Elena as a vampire would be an AWESOME story, and I can't imagine why we would have had that scene of Damon checking to see if he was still a vampire UNLESS he won't be? I mean, what was the point otherwise? I dunno.
Frust-sheep: misc: I <3 my fandomfrust_sheep on October 19th, 2014 05:15 pm (UTC)
I really like, that you still think, that Damon will be human after the return. I really hope it and cross my fingers for it, because I would love to see that. And it really would make sense with the thing, that he said to Elena she should have known him as he was still human and she would have liked him then.
Arabian: Damon07arabian on October 20th, 2014 05:48 am (UTC)
I really like, that you still think, that Damon will be human after the return. I really hope it and cross my fingers for it, because I would love to see that. And it really would make sense with the thing, that he said to Elena she should have known him as he was still human and she would have liked him then.

I just go back to him checking for his fangs in the second episode, I mean, why bother showing that otherwise? They show things for a reason on this show and that was there for a point, right? So I'm still hoping that, yeah, Damon will be a human in 2014. We'll see!
Frust-sheep: misc: I <3 my fandomfrust_sheep on October 21st, 2014 05:50 pm (UTC)
Yes, I really love that they show things for a reason on this show. Often I really miss that on other tv-shows. And yes, we will see. :) But I'm hopeful, that Damon will be human in 2014, too. :D
tams71tams71 on October 19th, 2014 08:08 pm (UTC)
Another great theory Jen, but I'm not completely on board with a few aspects.

I still don't think that Damon will be human when he and Bonnie return, although you did make a great argument in regards to the whole traveler scenario. I don't know exactly why I'm not on board with human Damon, so I can't pinpoint one thing that points me away from it. I guess the whole Damon is human now while Elena remains a vampire, how will they spend eternity with each other with no cure, oh let's remedy that and have Elena, Stefan, Caroline or Alaric turn him back into a vampire scenario that could play out rubs me the wrong way. There's always a possibility that the cure could come back into play or that some other supernatural force could make Elena human again, but right now, I'm just not feeling it.

You also make a great argument for Damon seeing how happy Elena is and not wanting Ric to uncompel her, although I disagree with Liam playing any part in that. I'm not 100% convinced that Elena is going to date Liam, but it is possible that he has a connection with Kai back in 1994 MF AU. I guess we'll have to wait and see about that.

I'm thinking the fact that once a compelled person enters Mystic Falls, their compulsion ends, is going to play into Damon and Elena's eventual reunion. There's a reason why that was brought into play along with Sarah knowing Elena is a vampire, Matt knowing Tripp's secret vampire hunter agenda, and Stefan handing Enzo over to Tripp. Too many components were introduced in this last episode to ignore and it's a well-known fact that the TVD writers always have a reason for interjecting information into an episode.

You're way more analytical about the show than I am and see things that other people don't often catch, which is awesome. These are just some thoughts that popped into my head. I think your theory is great and would love for things to play out that way. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Damn TVD writers! LOL
jairem08jairem08 on October 19th, 2014 08:46 pm (UTC)
I was thinking exactly the same about non magic MF and compulsion ending as happened with Sarah. I thought that that could be the reason for Elena to break/lose it completely. However she would have to enter and start turning to the state before she turned vampire. Unless few seconds in MF limits would be enough?
tams71tams71 on October 19th, 2014 10:07 pm (UTC)
Elena definitely couldn't be in MF for very long or else she would drown, just like what started to happen when she and Damon drove into MF to blow up the Mystic Grill. I haven't quite figured out how to get around that other than the possibility that she's rescued by Jeremy, Matt or Tyler before she "dies" since they're the only three out of the gang that can actually enter MF. I could be completely off base, but the no compulsion effect in MF information was introduced for a reason. The TVD writers don't interject information into a storyline without it coming into play at some point.

Edited at 2014-10-20 02:27 am (UTC)
serpentinesoul: pic#119884986serpentinesoul on October 23rd, 2014 02:44 am (UTC)
I had this exact same thought while watching the episode. I was thinking, "this has *got* to be a breadcrumb." Good catch!

My other thought involves Ric. He may not break the compulsion on his own - b/c Damon tells him not to, or whatever - but if Tripp "kills" the unkillable vampire, his compulsion breaks, too. Just like Elijah and Katherine in S2. I'm not sure if Ric's connection to Elena's life still stands, if it goes both ways, or how this would affect it, but it's another possibility.

Best bet's still crossing the county line, though ;-)
Arabian: Damon & Elena40arabian on October 20th, 2014 06:05 am (UTC)
Another great theory Jen, but I'm not completely on board with a few aspects.

No problem, I've actually decided I'm out of the theory business, LOL! At least for a little bit.

I still don't think that Damon will be human when he and Bonnie return, although you did make a great argument in regards to the whole traveler scenario.

I just keep going back to that moment in the second episode when he felt for the fangs. What was the point? Like you say below they don't just include things for no reason and there was really no reason to include Damon pointing out that he's still a vampire unless he's *not* going to be one at some point. And, of course, the whole inability to lift that beam on the Other Side while Ric had no difficulty doing so which I just can't get past. But, yeah, we'll see. I could be completely wrong which I've never shied away from.

I don't know exactly why I'm not on board with human Damon, so I can't pinpoint one thing that points me away from it.

And I think it would be a totally awesome story, but that's me. :shrug:

I guess the whole Damon is human now while Elena remains a vampire, how will they spend eternity with each other with no cure

Like these writers couldn't come up with a hundred scenarios for that, LOL!

some other supernatural force could make Elena human again, but right now, I'm just not feeling it.

I'll just say what I always do: I trust this show. They haven't let me down yet.

You also make a great argument for Damon seeing how happy Elena is and not wanting Ric to uncompel her, although I disagree with Liam playing any part in that.

Oh, no, you read me wrong. I don't think that LIAM is going to make her happy AT ALL, but rather that Damon will just happen to see her talking, hanging out with Liam, she'll happen to be looking normal, smiling and being Damon, he'll just assume she's happy with a "normal" guy. Not that Liam has anything AT ALL to do with it.

I'm not 100% convinced that Elena is going to date Liam

I don't think she's going to date-date him either, but like the Bonnie/Jamie, Caroline/Jesse situation where he's just kind of a guy there in the picture, but not some serious or even semi-serious guy in her life.

it is possible that he has a connection with Kai back in 1994 MF AU. I guess we'll have to wait and see about that

Yup.

I'm thinking the fact that once a compelled person enters Mystic Falls, their compulsion ends, is going to play into Damon and Elena's eventual reunion.

OOH!! OOH!! Good point! I totally missed that connection. Go you. Yeah, you could be totally right!

There's a reason why that was brought into play along with Sarah knowing Elena is a vampire, Matt knowing Tripp's secret vampire hunter agenda, and Stefan handing Enzo over to Tripp. Too many components were introduced in this last episode to ignore

Very good point. Yeah, it's like the second episode introduced SO MANY emotional, character beats and then the third episode introduced all these delicious, plotty points!!!

it's a well-known fact that the TVD writers always have a reason for interjecting information into an episode.

Exactly! Damon pointing out he has fangs so he's still a vampire! Why? Why would they randomly interject information we already know? Why would Damon feel the need to even check that? Uh huh!

These are just some thoughts that popped into my head.

Good thoughts!

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I'm firmly ensconcing myself on the wait and see train.

Edited at 2014-10-20 06:06 am (UTC)
tj2013tj2013 on October 20th, 2014 06:39 am (UTC)
Ah, I love your theories! Don't ever stop, LOL.

I wonder if Bonnie, now that she has her powers back, can undo the no-magic-zone in MF by her own? How strong is her magic now? Fires-by-brain had been her specialty from early on, so what else can she do? Hm...

And I could very well imagine Damon coming back as a human in 2014. I can't wait to see his face if that happens.

And on an unrelated note.... what's with this show and the timeline? Seasons 1 and 2 cover one schoolyear, right? Seasons 3 and 4 cover their senior year in highschool. Stefan and Elena broke up in 4.06. So... from then up until now 2 years have passed (see their conversation in the car with Liam)? Damon and Elena have dated for 2 years (minus the last 4 months). Hmph. Totally confused over here. I need a flowchart.

Edited at 2014-10-20 06:58 am (UTC)
Arabian: Bonnie05arabian on October 20th, 2014 10:09 am (UTC)
Ah, I love your theories! Don't ever stop, LOL.

I just keep thinking of new ones and/or am off-base, so I'm just taking a break.

I wonder if Bonnie, now that she has her powers back, can undo the no-magic-zone in MF by her own? How strong is her magic now? Fires-by-brain had been her specialty from early on, so what else can she do? Hm...

I just can't imagine that she can do it all on her own. I mean wouldn't Liv and Luke be able to do stuff if a witch could do it?

And I could very well imagine Damon coming back as a human in 2014. I can't wait to see his face if that happens.

Right?!

And on an unrelated note.... what's with this show and the timeline? Seasons 1 and 2 cover one schoolyear, right? Seasons 3 and 4 cover their senior year in highschool. Stefan and Elena broke up in 4.06. So... from then up until now 2 years have passed (see their conversation in the car with Liam)? Damon and Elena have dated for 2 years (minus the last 4 months). Hmph. Totally confused over here. I need a flowchart.

Julie Plec once said don't try and make sense of our timeline, it will make your head explode, LOL! No, Damon and Elena did not date for two years because the sire bond stuff didn't really count. They dated for about six-seven months because they dated during the four months of the summer, then about a three-four months at the beginning of season five. Then they broke up and the rest of season five happened. They sorta got back together, but that was for like two seconds before Damon "died." I'm pretty sure that Stefan and Elena are considering their break-up when she gave up on him in "Ghost World" as their break up since they were only together for about 10 seconds really (well, OK fine, like 2 weeks) in season 04 and that would roughly put them at about two years being broken up. But yeah, the timeline on this show? So head-explodey.
tj2013tj2013 on October 20th, 2014 10:21 am (UTC)
Thanks!! If you put it like this it at least makes sense within the show.
Mattghidorah15 on October 20th, 2014 02:33 pm (UTC)
...yeah, I have nothing to add. It really could go in any way it pleases.
x5valex5vale on October 23rd, 2014 01:31 pm (UTC)
I am back after few months hiatus and of course I had to check your journal...because I miss Damon so much and I need real Damon fans to talk to :)