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17 October 2014 @ 12:47 am
6.03 - 'Welcome To Paradise' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So another Thursday night, another episode of The Vampire Diaries. Wordy-Mcwords under the cut.

Let's get the obvious out of the way and deal with the Elena and Liam situation. It was clear they were going there and of course I didn't like it, but I did find a few positives in it actually. First, Elena clearly is not into the guy. She's not innately attracted to him herself, she's trying to set him up with Caroline genuinely, and even when he kissed her, she was more bemused than anything else. There was no real reaction/attraction to the kiss. So that's good. If, OK, I'll be realistic here, no doubt, when she does date him it will be more of, 'hey, let's give this a try' because he's attracted to her. Secondly, and more importantly, because it ties into the Damon/Elena dynamic is what he said to her after he kissed her.

The fact that even in the little bit of a time he's gotten to know her, he picked up on the fact that she likes bad boys and that is what Damon is… the bad boy. Sure Elena dated Matt, the "good guy," but that's because she was "supposed" to date him and, well, he bored her. And then she was with Stefan, but that was because (a) she *thought* that he was danger guy at first, and (b) by the time she realized he was trying to be anything but, her world was so chaotic and crazy, she thought she *should* be with the good guy. So, yes, I took Liam's comment as a subtle nod to Elena's type being Damon. Uh huh. And remember when she met Damon for the first time on the road, she was essentially in the mind-set that she is now, and she was definitely attracted to him! Uh huh!

As for the whole 'how long have you been together?' bit from Liam to Stefan and Elena, I just took from that a way to show that comfort level of the exes that Stefan and Elena are at now, and to establish for Liam to make the move on Elena later, that's all. Besides all of Elena and Stefan's interactions were clearly in the friend-zone and I'm totally fine with that. It's what I've wanted for their relationship once the romance was over. I've been saying that for years literally.

And based on what happened later, even if I had been worried about a Stefan and Elena redux it would have been undone by episode's end. Having Elena witness that moment between Stefan and Caroline where the poor girl laid her heart out like that, there's just no way that Elena is going to jump back into something with Stefan. Especially after she flat-out asked Caroline if she has feelings for Stefan, and Caroline answered in the positive—even if she (lied and) said it was in the past tense. And how Elena asked Caroline, her tone didn't have any jealousy, but more like 'I don't want to upset Caroline here, and I'm pretty sure I'm right so I'm gonna dive in and ask because I'm her friend and she needs to face this.'

And she did. Sorta. Because she was totally lying about the past tense part because she did not "did have" feelings for him. She still does. Oh, Caroline. You know during the scene between her and Stefan when she kept bringing it back to her and how she was just basically begging for a crumb from him, I was wincing inside. She's expecting him to be there big-time for Elena, even Alaric, and then offered up "just a little bit for me" and I had the thought that it was like Caroline was the "Damon" of the Stefan/Caroline relationship and it broke my heart. I may not have cared much for Caroline and Klaus, or Caroline and Tyler, but at least in those two relationships—for the most part—both men did put Caroline on a pedestal. Alas, that was part of the problem too because a relationship should be equal. If it's not what happens then, is that when she disappointed them, as she did, they turned around and were awful to her. *sigh* See, such a clusterfuck.

And with Matt, Caroline was always not good enough, not, well, "Elena" enough. But it's not like that with Stefan. And honestly before this, she's never had to beg for crumbs with him. It's just that Stefan is hurting so much right now, but he's not like Damon. He doesn't react the same way. Damon lashes out and he covers up his pain with snark and bitterness, but you see that vulnerability and pain through his anger and the devastating chaos he leaves in his wake. Stefan isn't like that. Stefan shuts down; Stefan walks away. That's what he did to Katherine; it's what he did to Damon. It's what he did to Elena, and now it's what he's doing to Caroline. You could see it on his face. His eyes were shining, he was holding back tears. He *was* in pain, but he wouldn't let go. He was holding it back, he was shutting down and then he just walked away because that's how Stefan do! And as well as Caroline knows him, she doesn't know him that well yet (because Stefan hasn't let anyone know him that well yet) and so she doesn't get that. And Elena doesn't know him even remotely as well as she thinks she does, so she has no clue. The only one who would have a clue is Damon. And Damon's back in 1994. (More on him and his bestie, Bonnie, later.)

Still, whatever pain Stefan is feeling, it doesn't excuse his behavior. Just like whatever pain Damon was feeling it never excused the shit that he did. I mean, I get that he's pissed at Enzo, but clearly this Tripp dude has some anti-vampire agenda going on. Elena is a vampire. Caroline is a vampire. Alaric is a vampire. Does Stefan really not think that exposing one of their own (and, yes, Steffie-poo, Enzo is one of their own now!) to this WTF?! is going on? Tripp dude with his vampire-hunting/killing ways the best course of action? No, it's not. I mean, really, Stefan! *sigh* I had originally written in my notes about Stefan (legit first thing I jotted down): "are they trying to make us dislike Stefan? Gah! I get that it was awful what Enzo did to Ivy, but still Enzo was one of his brother's best friends and to do this is just terrible and then to just walk away from Caroline like that. I know that he's hurting, I get that, I totally get that, but geez, Stefan." And obviously, I still stand by that.

(See, paragraphs above.) However, (see paragraphs above), after reasoning it out a bit more and thinking it through, Stefan is just not thinking. He has shut down. Think back to that first scene. He had found himself a small piece of equilibrium where he had convinced himself he was "fine." (Pshaw!) Then Enzo and Caroline showed up and it completely harshed his buzz, ruined his peace, broke through his zen. We saw that by how he treated his douchebag boss. And instead of facing the reality behind all of this—I lost my brother and I'm not dealing with it—he decided to just blame it all on Enzo. That's it.

Ignore the loss of Damon and how it's killing him. Ignore the fact that cutting himself off from all of the other people he loves and who loves him is STUPID! Just shutting down and doing the Stefan thing, i.e., burying his head in the sand and accomplishing nothing is, well, accomplishing nothing. Instead of facing all of that, he has decided to blame Enzo. Full-stop. In other words, boo is a little out of his mind, back on the revenge train much like he was in season 03 and is getting a little squirrely right now. He lost his brother, and as we all know, Stefan loves Damon like WHOAH! and he just can't handle it. Elena found a way… by erasing her love for Damon. Stefan hasn't figured that one out yet. Loving Damon, it's a powerful thing, yo.

And why wouldn't it be? Have you *met* Damon Salvatore? He's awesome enough to bring back the long-dormant powers of a witch! Who doesn't even like him, but she loves him and he loves her and they show that love by bickering non-stop and it is adorable!

Oh my goodness! I am so getting exactly what I wanted with Damon and Bonnie! LIKE EXACTLY! They have like this perfectly symbiotic, know each other forwards-and-backwards love-hate relationship and it is hilariously-wonderful. And Damon's right, he should so do the nicknames, not Bonnie. And Bonnie is so the perfect sunshine antidote BFF to his sour disposition, it's delightful. I mean, I love Ric as his BFF, but he's all irony and cynicism and badassery. And Enzo, in Damon's absence is showing potential, but he's all bro-ness and bad boy behavior.

Bonnie is the goodness and light and, you know, it'd be really cool to not have Elena being the only halo'd soul in Damon's corner. And I'm just so loving the Damon/Bonnie dynamic right now so very hard! And she does read him. Telling him to give him his ring up, knowing that he really hasn't given up hope and calling him on that. And earlier trying to get his spirits up by asking him the first thing he'd say to Elena when he saw her again (she's so Team!Damon/Elena now, awww!). And even after their fights, she comes back, she keeps coming back. And in order to save him, she got her powers back… and Damon smiled at her and it was so awesome!! :D

Also awesome was just the whole dang shopping scene from beginning to finish. Damon reading the shopping list, the teamwork, throwing the different items in the cart, the wearing of the sunglasses (see icon—yes, I actually have a Damon/Bonnie icon now), the judging of the pork rinds, the banter back and forth, my goodness, just every blessed second was divine.

Not quite as divine, but still pretty dang good was the casting for this Kai guy. Chris Wood is his name. The guy has charisma, looks a bit like Paul Rudd and is a good actor so far. I don't know if I believe Kai that he didn't intend to kill Damon and was just trying to get Bonnie to break through, but it's reasonable to think so if he wants to get out of the time loop they're stuck in, I suppose. I'm intrigued as to who he is, how he's there and what exactly is going on here and how he'll help Bonnie and Damon get home.

And what will happen when they get home? I mean, how will Bonnie feel about the fact that Jeremy went straight into drinking and banging random girls (and leaving angry voicemails for her)? Will she understand or will she be hurt? And what about Damon? I theorized in my Take Two of the last episode that seeing Elena happy and no longer bound by the "toxicity" of his love, he would tell Ric to not uncompel her, but Caroline's words to Matt made me reconsider a bit. I had also mentioned that Elena isn't really fully Elena without her love for Damon. I wrote that "despite how "happy" Elena seems without loving him, […] it's not as happy as she truly can be. She's not as complete and the best that she can be without the part of her that she was loving Damon, that person who grew, who matured, who made compromises, who loved and was loved so completely. She became a better person loving Damon."

Well, Caroline told Matt that Elena wasn't acting like herself. Sure, Matt responded that she was happy, but Matt hasn't been spending much time with her and Caroline had just done so since the compulsion took effect so she knew. This wasn't a happy Elena, this was as Caroline said, a more zombie-like Elena. And it's been interesting because Caroline does seem bothered by the fact (in this episode and the last) by Elena erasing her love for Damon. We all thought, and Elena certainly did, that Caroline would all be gung-ho for that, but she wasn't and she still isn't. She didn't think it was healthy and she still doesn't. She justified it by saying that Bonnie would have agreed with Elena, but I don't think Bonnie would have not pre-Damon bonding for Elena's sake, and definitely not post-Damon bonding, for both of their sakes.

And now I am wondering if perhaps my theory is wrong because Caroline is so bothered by the measures that Elena has taken, but if it is then where is the angst, because there's gotta be angst, right? Because one thing you can say for sure, it's not that Damon and Elena aren't *the* couple. The only thing keeping them apart right now is this time thing and then the compulsion. Damon clearly loves Elena and Elena clearly loves Damon. End of. Right now, everything is just an obstacle that is designed to deal with their issues and get those resolved before they get their ultimate happy ending, I believe. I truly do.

OK, randoms –

- No Alaric = having me a sad. :(

- So Damon is obviously still a vampire, but no mention of how he's getting blood. And I suppose since the day is restarting the food supply is just restarting at the grocery store, so I imagine the blood supply at the hospital would do the same as well. :shrugs:

- Is it just my Damon/Jeremy blinders, or was there totally this note in Jeremy's voice, this pause after he said it that was indicative of *some* feeling when he told Jeremy that one of Salvatore boarding house owners was dead (i.e., Damon)? There totally was, right? Right?!

- That moment when the girl decided to not get the ice and I realized why and made the connection right away to Sarah knowing that Elena is a vampire, I was like OH MAN!, and of course we didn't see Sarah at all for the rest of the episode. I thought, Ahh, where is she?!?!? I mean, I knew something was up when we last saw her just walk by Elena the way she did, but I didn't know what, and now I'm really wondering what is going on?!

- OK, so I'm back to thinking that Sarah is Abby's daughter now since she said her mom grew up in Mystic Falls and she's gonna turn out to be Bonnie's half-sister. It's very possible that she would think her mom is dead considering Abby's past, right? Hmm, we'll see. Or I could be completely barking wrong, LOL!

- Oh, Matty. He must be getting such season 02 vibes right now. -Just finding out about these secrets kept from him all over again, poor Matt. Still, such a subdued reaction to the death of his friend. He's so inured to death at this point.

- I admit it, yeah, I'm still liking Liv and Tyler (and, yes, it's weird, Liv and Tyler, because, the actress Liv Tyler, hehehe). You know, at first, I didn't like that Liv was SO bald in telling Tyler why she was doing what she was with pushing the kegger away and being, well, a bitch to piss him off, but then I was glad because she was honest. I like the honesty. And also because they didn't kiss. It would have been too soon. The coming close, and then her looking to the side and then pushing away was kinda hot; I think they have chemistry. :shrugs: Yeah, I kinda like them still at this point.

- And, of course, I liked the Liv and Luke scene, I think those two play off of each other really well. This show does sibling relationships so well. I think that's partly why I'm enjoying Damon and Bonnie so much because I get such a sibling vibe off of them.

- Finally saved the best relationship for the last… Damon and his Camaro! Aww, his reaction when he saw it. Hahahaha! "My car!! My car!!" I wonder if there's any chance he'll be able to drive it back into 2014? LOL!

- OK, for reals reals, the best relationship… I loved that we got another flashback courtesy of the Camaro. Damon sitting there, flashbacking to that moment when Elena didn't need to say "I love you" and Damon didn't need to say it back and they held hands. *sigh* and it prompted him to tell Bonnie exactly what he was going to tell Elena when he first saw her again. And Bonnie just dipped her head because she knew. She knew.

*double sigh* How much he loves her.

 

Ah, and oh how much I love this show. Because I really, really do. Like lots! I know this is going to be a tough road ahead with the continued separation of Damon and Elena—which hopefully doesn't last too much longer, and with this Elena and Liam thing starting, but I do honestly think it's all going to turn out for the best for Damon and Elena in the end, I do. And I'm really intrigued by where everything else is going. Uh huh.
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on October 17th, 2014 07:38 am (UTC)
Wow, you're insanely quick with your analyses... It's great to read your thoughts right after I've watched the episode (due to the time difference I watch it on Friday mornings). Thanks for sharing!

Yes, there definitely was a feelings-pause when Jer mentioned that one Salvatore brother had died.

The compelled!Elena has one tiny advantage. She can listen to Caroline. She can be there for her when Caroline needs a friend. Granted, Elena is not her full self, but without the burden of grief she was able to see Caroline's pain and could connect the dots and comfort her.


Stefan siding with the Fells? Baaaaad move. And even when he shuts down, he should be thinking, dangit. Damon was and will ever be the smarter brother. Heh. At the same time I still can't be really mad at Stefan because he is hurting and missing his brother so so so much.

Bonnie and Damon? Loved them. Every second. The looks they exchanged, the little smile on Damon's lips when he saw the candle burning. And he flat out admitted that he liked Bonnie. And he apologized to her. How great is that? Bonnie is his anchor right now, literally.

Liv and Tyler have chemistry. And I'm glad they didn't kiss this time. They can build it up a bit.
I really liked Luke calling it to his sister. And his "He's hot" comment about Tyler? Priceless.

Your theory about Damon not wanting Ric to decompel Elena still holds IMO. Depends how fast they are getting back. The Kai guy? Didn't impress me much, but we'll see. And he was tied to the same chair (I guess) Damon had been tied to in Season 2 by the werewolves, and the same one Mason was tied to. Hah.

So... yeah... it's been my favorite show and it still is. Love it so much.
Frust-sheep: misc: I <3 my fandomfrust_sheep on October 18th, 2014 01:44 pm (UTC)
Great comment!
After the heartbreaking Caroline scene, I was really glad and happy, that Elena comforted Caroline.

Oh this whole scene is just *sob sob sob*.
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Mattghidorah15 on October 17th, 2014 04:37 pm (UTC)
I don't have much to add to your once again in-depth analysis. I, too, was shaking my head at Stefan and his selfish actions, but I will say this - seeing him put that dick of a boss in his place was pretty amusing.

Still, Damon needs to come back (in his car, preferably) and give him a good smack upside the head.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on October 19th, 2014 05:46 am (UTC)
<>I, too, was shaking my head at Stefan and his selfish actions</i>

Well, I was shaking my head at him, but again, I DID understand that it was coming from a place of immense grief, I do get that.

seeing him put that dick of a boss in his place was pretty amusing.

Yeah.

Still, Damon needs to come back (in his car, preferably) and give him a good smack upside the head.

No, I think Damon needs to give him a really, really, REALLY big hug because Stefan is so completely lost and screwed up. Listening to fucking Lexi for 100+ years was a huge part of the reason he is so messed up. Yes, she had good intentions, but she was so very, very wrong in all she taught him. Ugh!
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jairem08jairem08 on October 17th, 2014 08:55 pm (UTC)
I have just finished watching.
Basically agree with your amazing and fast review. How do you even do it?
I wrote a quick summary of my feelings and findings after this episode to my friend and in a nutshell it said most of what you have in your write up. Only in my humble English and writing skills.
I do not like the Liam story but as you say hopefully it will all only lead to the best of DE. And also we know she is only allowing this or will date because she has no memories of loving Damon.
Jeremy however... that is a different story. I also wonder about Bonnie when she gets back. I wouldn't want to be staunch Beremy shipper. Cannot imagine this with Delena. I would not find it bearable. He's is hurting and not dealing well.
So is Stefan. Just like you wrote. Walking away from everything that is hurting. Caroline again broke my heart. And through it all she is trying to be there for everyone. I do hope she will get her happy.
Bonnie and Damon are priceless. Everything with them is perfect. Funny and entertaining. I love the reference of DE holding hands in the flashback and their love exchange and then Damon in his CAMARO (yes it is back!!! even if only in Retroville for now) telling Bonnie what he will tell Elena first when back.
Curious about Kai and his presence.
I totally thought the same about the blood situation with Damon. Wondered if he drinks blood and how and then I made the same connection with the same day coming back with fresh food always available in supermarket / thus blood being available in bags in hospital daily ... Sort of makes sense.
Fun to see Damon in different clothes. He can wear a black sack and still look hot.
Tripp is a dangerous guy. And Sarah will pose a problem now too. And she is either related to Bonnie/Abby or to the Tripp guy.
I somehow can imagine that Elena might be one of his possible future victims. He might kidnap and try to kill her. Hope Enzo will make it out?
Stefan, Stefan, Stefan... agree on all the points in your review.
NO RIC?
Overall I really like the episode. (sans the kissing and Liam : ( )
TVD is still my all time favourite show so far. I just can't help it!
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 19th, 2014 07:07 am (UTC)
Basically agree with your amazing and fast review. How do you even do it?

Thank you. No clue, but I have been on the ball lately, right? LOL!

I do not like the Liam story but as you say hopefully it will all only lead to the best of DE. And also we know she is only allowing this or will date because she has no memories of loving Damon.

Exactly, and I'm thinking/wondering if there's a more nefarious reason behind Liam. Maybe he has a connection to Kai as others have suggested. I mean, how did he know that Elena likes bad boys, you know?

Jeremy however... that is a different story. I also wonder about Bonnie when she gets back. I wouldn't want to be staunch Beremy shipper. Cannot imagine this with Delena. I would not find it bearable. He's is hurting and not dealing well.

Yup, yup, yup.

So is Stefan. Just like you wrote. Walking away from everything that is hurting. Caroline again broke my heart. And through it all she is trying to be there for everyone. I do hope she will get her happy.

She will, she just has to!

Bonnie and Damon are priceless. Everything with them is perfect. Funny and entertaining. I love the reference of DE holding hands in the flashback and their love exchange and then Damon in his CAMARO (yes it is back!!! even if only in Retroville for now) telling Bonnie what he will tell Elena first when back.

So agreed. I just can't get over how perfect Damon and Bonnie are. They are everything I knew I wanted with them and we are TOTALLY getting it. WHEE!!!

Tripp is a dangerous guy. And Sarah will pose a problem now too. And she is either related to Bonnie/Abby or to the Tripp guy.

Yeah, I think so too to all of the above.

I somehow can imagine that Elena might be one of his possible future victims. He might kidnap and try to kill her.

I'm thinking that Stefan will eventually be the victim actually.

Hope Enzo will make it out?

I'm sure Enzo will, I mean they didn't make him a regular cast member just to kill him off in a few episodes, right?

Overall I really like the episode. (sans the kissing and Liam : ( )

Ditoo.

TVD is still my all time favourite show so far.

YUPPERS!
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Florencia: DE (In Silence)florencia7 on October 17th, 2014 09:26 pm (UTC)
I love how fast you are with your posts!!! ♥ My heart can't even properly break before it's mended right away by your AMAZING analyses ♥

Granted, this episode was, surprisingly, not as “bad” as I thought it'd be! Haha The kiss didn't bother me in the slightest EXCEPT for totally non-romantic reasons:

“The fact that even in the little bit of a time he's gotten to know her, he picked up on the fact that she likes bad boys” - That's precisely what worries me! Because how could he possibly pick up on that??? When??? He didn't see Elena date ANYONE and I may not be objective, but Stefan couldn't possibly strike him as a bad boy, so... this just made me think that Liam knows more than he lets on. Namely, that he knows about Damon and that he's interested in Elena for a reason, which may or may not have something to do with a hint of resemblance between him and Kai. I thought it was interesting how they cut the first Kai scene to a scene with Liam. It was pretty much a close-up of Kai followed right away by a shot of Liam.

“I get that it was awful what Enzo did to Ivy, but still Enzo was one of his brother's best friends and to do this is just terrible” - This made me cringe more than the kiss did! Lol And I get that he's hurting, that he's Stefan and all that, but still. Not only he facilitated the death of someone who saved his life AND whom he KNEW Damon wouldn't want dead, but he also, I don't know how to phrase it, but the “make it painful” comment really rubbed me the wrong way. Well, if anyone thought the writers have always been ridiculously nice & forgiving toward Stefan here's the moment to rethink that lol

“Elena found a way… by erasing her love for Damon. Stefan hasn't figured that one out yet. Loving Damon, it's a powerful thing, yo.” - I was thinking about that and... do you think the writers are consciously headed toward making a point of showing that both Elena and Stefan are “worse” people without Damon? Because that'd be BEAUTIFUL.

“And in order to save him, she got her powers back… and Damon smiled at her and it was so awesome!!” - I LOVED that moment too, especially because there was that glimpse of astonishment in Damon's eyes. He needs to start realizing (and internalizing) that not only Elena (and Stefan), but other people too, truly care for him ♥

“No Alaric = having me a sad.” - To be honest, I thought it was a smart and well thought-out move on the writers' part, because I'm sure I'm not alone in still being mad at Alaric a little (despite understanding why he did it, that it WAS hard for him, etc., ETC. lol) And not seeing him in this ep helped. Now I'm actually looking forward to seeing him in the next one.

“Is it just my Damon/Jeremy blinders, or was there totally this note in Jeremy's voice, this pause after he said it that was indicative of *some* feeling when he told Jeremy that one of Salvatore boarding house owners was dead (i.e., Damon)? There totally was, right? Right?!” - 1000% right!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I TOTALLY heard it & understood it that way too!!! ♥

“ It's very possible that she would think her mom is dead considering Abby's past, right?” - Well, technically Abby *is* dead, so ;)

I'm also very intrigued as to where this season will take us! Everything looks really promising so far :)
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on October 19th, 2014 06:10 am (UTC)
PART 1

I love how fast you are with your posts!!! ♥ My heart can't even properly break before it's mended right away by your AMAZING analyses ♥

Right? I've been on the ball lately! Go me. LOL!

Granted, this episode was, surprisingly, not as “bad” as I thought it'd be! Haha The kiss didn't bother me in the slightest EXCEPT for totally non-romantic reasons:

Alas, I was *once again* (grrr!) slightly spoiled by someone (who swears they never spoil me) telling me they were worried about episode 03 (ugh!) so with my theory figuring that Liam was coming into play, I figured it had to do with him. And then, LMAO, after the episode I read the Ausiello thing where he told a S/E fan that Elena kissed someone whose name doesn't rhyme with Schmamon and I started to laugh because, come on, that was cruel! This episode made it so clear that there is so nothing with S/E. They just friends, and her knowing now that Caroline has *feelings* feelings for Stefan she is NOT going to go anywhere near Stefan even if he has any romantic interest in her anymore (which is clearly doesn't). They are so just in the friend-zone now. Yeah, obviously, I didn't like the kiss, but Elena was so unmoved by it like at all.

“The fact that even in the little bit of a time he's gotten to know her, he picked up on the fact that she likes bad boys” - That's precisely what worries me! Because how could he possibly pick up on that???

You're right, and there may be some connection to Kai as well. And considering the next episode is called "Black Hole Sun," I'm thinking (cuz, hello SOLAR ECLIPSE!) that Damon and Bonnie possibly come back the next episode so, yeah, Kai and Liam could definitely have a connection.

Re: Stefan/Enzo - This made me cringe more than the kiss did! Lol And I get that he's hurting, that he's Stefan and all that, but still. Not only he facilitated the death of someone who saved his life AND whom he KNEW Damon wouldn't want dead, but he also, I don't know how to phrase it, but the “make it painful” comment really rubbed me the wrong way. Well, if anyone thought the writers have always been ridiculously nice & forgiving toward Stefan here's the moment to rethink that lol

See, I've never really thought the writers have (other than with what he did with Andie, grr). There have always been reasons why the main characters have been forgiving of Stefan. Mainly that the ONLY characters who know of the worst that Stefan has done have been Damon (who will NEVER judge Stefan), Elena (who had (a) the doppelganger spell connecting them, effecting thing and (b) Stefan helped her survive her parent's death so she will ALWAYS view him and her time with through a rosy lens), and then Katherine, Rebekah and Klaus who are ten and a hundred times worse than Stefan. The others don't know even a tenth of the horrible things that Stefan has done.

As for what he did to Enzo, well, Stefan is so completely lost and screwed up. Listening to fucking Lexi for 100+ years was a huge part of the reason he is so messed up. Yes, she had good intentions, but she was so very, very wrong in all she taught him. Ugh! And right now he is so steeped in a level of grief that he's not thinking straight, he's lost beyond where even Elena was because unlike Elena, he's beyond denial because he never admitted how deep his love for Damon was. Elena and Damon had gotten to a mostly good place. Stefan and Damon were still fucked up so badly. Plus, Stefan feels guilty beyond measure because he didn't stay behind to wait for him. He was supposed to wait for Damon, but he touched Bonnie and made it through and Damon there on the Other Side to save him, Stefan! And Enzo literally told him he was going to remind him over and over and over that he, Stefan, had FAILED DAMON. That Damon was gone because Stefan had failed him. So, I'm cutting Stefan some slack because he's completely falling apart he's just covering it by shutting everything down that will make him feel because if he feels, it will be too much and he'll go all ripper-y.

TBC
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Frust-sheep: misc: I <3 my fandomfrust_sheep on October 18th, 2014 01:39 pm (UTC)
Thank you for this entry again! :D

Even it is really hurtful (especially Delena and Steroline) to watch season 6, but I really like it so far. :D

Especially Caroline's part was heartbreaking to watch. *sob*

Oh what I forgot: I love your new icon! :D
And what I forgot, too: I think I like Liv and Tyler, too. *lol*

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Arabian: Damon & Bonnie01arabian on October 19th, 2014 05:38 am (UTC)
Even it is really hurtful (especially Delena and Steroline) to watch season 6, but I really like it so far. :D

Me too, and I really do think it's leading (eventually) to good stuff.

Especially Caroline's part was heartbreaking to watch. *sob*

Yeah, Caroline is breaking my heart. Poor thing.

Oh what I forgot: I love your new icon! :D

Makes me grin every time I look at it. Hee!

And what I forgot, too: I think I like Liv and Tyler, too. *lol*

Yeah, *think* is the key word, LOL!
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vanimy: Damon/Elenavanimy on October 20th, 2014 09:46 pm (UTC)
A few thoughts on this episode! i enjoyed it and generally speaking I really enjoyed these first episodes.

-Stefan is the king of douchebags but of course he always is when he gets hurt because you know, Stefan. I have nothing else to say but THIS to everything you wrote.

-I'm not too fond of the Elena amnesia storyline myself. I didn't want Alaric to go through with it because let's face it, Damon return or no Damon return this is a sucky way to deal with grief so he should know better. Everyone who lost a loved one knows that even if it hurts like a bitch you'd rather remember them than not remember anything. And I do believe 4 months was way too short for Elena to decide she would rather forget Damon.

Also, I read your thoughts on how Elena may fall back in love with Damon thinking he's a monster at first but haven't we witnessed just that already? Elena going from hate to friendship in season 2 to love in season 3? I really don't see the point of this storyline just like I didn't get the point of the Stefan amnesia storyline last season.

I think amnesia storylines are often a lazy way for writers to delay a proper reunion, see any soap opera or the Lois and Clark TV show... Yeah, I'm still scarred. :P

-I find myself loving Caroline more than ever in this season, I feel like she's ironically the most grounded of them all.

-I literally don't give a rat's ass about Liv and Tyler. It came out of nowhere, it's a way to give Tyler something to do with a Caroline wannabe which is a shame because Liv could've been an interesting character on her own. Oh well.

-I did catch that wistful note in Jeremy's voice when he mentioned Damon too! Which made me sad and happy at the same time. Also i love Jeremy no matter what he does.

-Damon and Bonnie were the best part of this episode, I swear. You'll probably banish me from your blog forever for saying that but I kinda ship them! Ian and Kat have so much chemistry and are so much fun to watch, I kinda ship them. Kinda because I don't really want them together but yeah, I love seeing them together, i love love it.
Arabian: Damon & Bonnie01arabian on October 21st, 2014 04:24 am (UTC)
-I'm not too fond of the Elena amnesia storyline myself.

Normally, I'd agree but considering everything that Elena has gone through in such a short period, I can get why losing Damon was just that final blow that was too much and was her breaking point. And when she told him that she didn't like anything about being a vampire and that basically loving Damon for eternity was what made it worthwhile for her, well, that was rather key. Because that pretty much made it clear she was on the edge of just giving up.

Plus, Ric, well, he's not exactly in the best head space himself. So it's not like we're supposed to think that this IS a good decision. Which is one of the things I like about this show, just because characters do things, even supposedly good characters, it doesn't mean they are making the right choices.

And I do believe 4 months was way too short for Elena to decide she would rather forget Damon.

But she wasn't deciding that she would rather forget Damon. She was forcing herself to forget him or else she was going to start killing (more) people. It was literally that: Let go of Damon by literally forcing him from her mind or kill (more) people. She was at that point. If Caroline hadn't shown up, Elena would have killed Sarah, she'd already killed the making out girl.

Also, I read your thoughts on how Elena may fall back in love with Damon thinking he's a monster at first but haven't we witnessed just that already? Elena going from hate to friendship in season 2 to love in season 3?

Yes, we saw it but how many times did people bitch and moan BUT WHAT THE HELL, ELENA?! You and your "I don't know how I feel." Ugh. It drove people crazy. And with Stefan in the mix, and with everyone hating on Damon, and with Elena fighting it every step of the way. Ugh, ugh! It would be different this time because Damon is different, he IS a better person. Because Elena is different because (a) she is already there, (b) she's more gray, and (c) she's not in love with Stefan at all so there's no being torn. We had to be shown WHEN exactly Elena fell in love with Damon in flashbacks, we had to be told explicitly that, yes, Elena DID fall in love with Damon during season 02 when she was with Stefan. But this time we would actually SEE it happening with no ambiguity. In stuff of Elena falling for Damon in between the scenes of Stefan-stuff, Damon and Elena falling in love would BE the story. That's a BIG, BIG story.

I really don't see the point of this storyline just like I didn't get the point of the Stefan amnesia storyline last season.

Two reasons. Firstly, if we get an amnesia Damon story, it would be the same point of Tyler and the sire bond, and Matt being passengered by Gregor--a smaller preview of a much bigger story. And secondly, it was about isolating him, showing who Stefan is really (that true petty side to him) and really began to re-build up that closeness between Stefan and Caroline which was expanded hugely throughout the rest of the season.

-I literally don't give a rat's ass about Liv and Tyler. It came out of nowhere

No, it wasn't. We saw stuff with them last season. Not much, but Tyler did think she was hot, plus she was worked with him before he was passengered by Julian. I even wrote during my write-up of 5.17: "And I am possibly, potentially open to be intrigued by Tyler and Liv." Didn't come out of nowhere for me.

-Damon and Bonnie were the best part of this episode, I swear. You'll probably banish me from your blog forever for saying that but I kinda ship them! Ian and Kat have so much chemistry and are so much fun to watch, I kinda ship them. Kinda because I don't really want them together but yeah, I love seeing them together, i love love it.

You can enjoy watching two characters together, think they have fabulous chemistry, but if you don't want them together romantically, that means you DON'T ship them. So, yeah, you don't ship them. You feel about them the same way I do. I feel the exact same about them, I love them together so much, I just don't want them together romantically, so I don't ship them. Shipping is wanting a couple to get together.
suckerfordelenasuckerfordelena on October 22nd, 2014 05:44 am (UTC)
Hey there! So, did you see the episode 4 promo or will they come in 'spoiler'. It was really insane and I would love to read your views about that one.

Edited at 2014-10-22 05:44 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena36arabian on October 22nd, 2014 11:20 am (UTC)
I did (but not the extended one), but I'm not talking about the promos anymore in the episode posts because (a) they are only 20 seconds of a 44-minute episode, (b) not necessarily even going to end up in the episode, meaning it could be cut, and (c) typical CW fan-baiting because the CW sucks so hard at promotion. :)
suckerfordelena: Ian Somerhaldersuckerfordelena on October 24th, 2014 07:20 pm (UTC)
When are you gonna update about today's episode?! I have been waiting 4 hours for the update! Please update soon!

XOXOXO

-T
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder04arabian on October 25th, 2014 03:38 am (UTC)
I loved the episode, but I wasn't in the mood to write my post and I didn't want to not give my all for such a fantastic one. I plan on writing it sometime in the next few hours fear not. :)
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Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on October 25th, 2014 02:47 pm (UTC)
I'm so behind because of RL at the moment. I need to get back to 602, but I the comment I wrote for this one (though you might not want it!)

Maybe it was because my livestream was especially blurry this week, but I thought this ep was one of the worst of the show, tbh (though that is still a pretty high standard); not because it was bad, but because it was just plain boring. Which was a shame, because 6.02 was so strong. Damon and Bonnie were pretty much all I was interested in.

It felt very much like a Stefan/Caroline episode and I am not particularly invested in them. Stefan is finally being deconstructed, but I still think Caroline can do better, though while I’m not sure Enzo would count as better, I prefer watching him.

I’m not sure I agree about Kai. We’ll see on that one.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on December 30th, 2014 09:45 am (UTC)
Nah, I do want to hear your take even if you think we disagree. :)

Maybe it was because my livestream was especially blurry this week, but I thought this ep was one of the worst of the show, tbh (though that is still a pretty high standard); not because it was bad, but because it was just plain boring. Which was a shame, because 6.02 was so strong. Damon and Bonnie were pretty much all I was interested in.

I did think this was one of the weakest episodes, I agree. Too much Liam, too much Sarah, too much of those dudes with Matt, too much Tripp, basically too many new people interacting with our regulars and not enough interaction with them, and of course, our regulars are not quite themselves. Elena is off, Caroline is off, Stefan is off. Stefan is cut off, Damon and Bonnie are cut off, Matt and Jeremy are cut off, well, they're all cut off in a way and I know it's deliberate, but yeah, it hurts that togetherness that we generally get.

It felt very much like a Stefan/Caroline episode and I am not particularly invested in them.

Ah, see, and I AM invested in them very much so and yet I still agree that it was a weaker episode.

I’m not sure I agree about Kai. We’ll see on that one.

I think I was right about him. ;)
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Alisha: Janellekalishaka on November 17th, 2014 05:48 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed this episode. I think every bit of that is because of Damon and Bonnie. I seriously, it is like every dream I did not even know I had came true. They are so perfect together. Every scene, every bit of banter, the moment she manages to light that candle...they are magic on screen together. I mean it definitely plays brother/sister bonded, but I am so happy that the people who ship them are getting this because the characters and the actors are so wonderful together and everyone deserves something they can build epic fanfic universes off of for their ship of choice.

But honestly, the way Bonnie reminds Damon of Elena and hope and she comes back to him because she gets him. It is everything! And the way Damon just throws out that he likes her. That he bickers with Bonnie because that is who they are and who they have always been but in the end he would seriously do anything for her. I need them to be best friends forever. It is vital to my future enjoyment of this show.

In the universe that isn't stuck in 1994.... meh. I'm liking a lot of the development in the mystic falls storyline. I like that we are bring back the 'town fights back' lore from the early seasons. I like this return to basics. It is really refreshing and a good move this late in the show. The Originals really took away from the Mystic Falls lore and god I adored all of it. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Tyler and Liv. I don't even feel bad. I love that they didn't go for the kiss. They are holding it, pulling back but keeping it honest. As it should be. I love the wonder!twins! I still just don't care about the Sarah character. Like I appreciate what they are going for, I really love the compulsion reveal...but I don't know. She puts me on edge. I don't even think I actually don't like it. I think I am just waiting in horror to see where this goes because I just know it's going to hurt my bbs.

Caroline full on just begging Stefan, putting it all out there, and he walks away. STEFAN, WHY? I know why, but WHY? Also his whole thing with Enzo...while on one hand I adored how they forced Stefan to admit that he had to kill Enzo so he wouldn't have to think about Damon....on the other hand I just wanted to kick him in the face. Which seems to be my running feelings about Stefan this season. I want to hug him and then kick him in the face.

I do not care for fake Happy!Elena. It is creepy and unnerving. I can completely understand why it bothers Caroline. And really they must all be better friends then me because I might have let her erase it but then I would have totally still yelled at her and let her know she did it. Because I am a horrible friend like that. Also, I hate lying. And it is all just going to hurt.
Arabian: Damon & Bonnie01arabian on December 30th, 2014 09:54 am (UTC)
I really enjoyed this episode.

I enjoyed Damon and Bonnie, and I enjoyed what they're doing with Stefan and Caroline, but I do still think this was one of the weakest episodes overall. I understand why, but there's a lacking of togetherness because everyone is just cut off from each other to some degree. But, back to your greater point here, Damon and Bonnie, yes, are awesome and everything that one could ever imagine the two as friends. SO AWESOME!

I mean it definitely plays brother/sister bonded, but I am so happy that the people who ship them are getting this because the characters and the actors are so wonderful together and everyone deserves something they can build epic fanfic universes off of for their ship of choice.

I'm not there at all. It honestly bugs me when people see romantic/sexual undertones in something that is OBVIOUSLY supposed to be NON-romantic/sexual, but sibling/familial. I'm fine in non familial-stuff, but when it is so clearly supposed to be a sibling/paternal-maternal vibe, it squicks me out when people insist that 'oh no, it's romantic/shippy!' Like people do with Jeremy/Elena scenes or Matt/Elena or now, Damon/Bonnie. They are obviously being written as sibling-like and to say that there is a romantic bent to them is just gross to me.

I need them to be best friends forever. It is vital to my future enjoyment of this show.

I can't wait until Bonnie is back and we see her interacting with Damon and the others now in the present!

In the universe that isn't stuck in 1994.... meh.

Which is why this is one of the weaker episodes because Damon and Bonnie were just a small part of the episode.

Caroline full on just begging Stefan, putting it all out there, and he walks away. STEFAN, WHY? I know why, but WHY? Also his whole thing with Enzo...while on one hand I adored how they forced Stefan to admit that he had to kill Enzo so he wouldn't have to think about Damon....on the other hand I just wanted to kick him in the face. Which seems to be my running feelings about Stefan this season. I want to hug him and then kick him in the face.

Just yup, yup, yup, yup.

I do not care for fake Happy!Elena. It is creepy and unnerving.

Agreed!