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10 October 2014 @ 01:40 am
6.02 - 'Yellow Ledbetter' (The Vampire Diaries)  
OK, so I have to go to sleep early tonight so this is going to be bullet-style and no gifs. Sorry. :( And in chronological order because I wrote this mostly while watching the show in between commercial breaks—with additional thoughts at the end.

- Heh! Damon and Bonnie dropping hands after the white light faded and they were just standing there. “That got awkward fast.” Hahaha. The looks they exchanged. Ah, I love Damon so. I can tell I’m so gonna enjoy these two. I love, love their hilarious antagonistic frenemy interaction.

- On one hand, the walk down Damon/Elena memory lane is totally awesome because hello!, it’s a walk down the beauty and chemistry of Damon and Elena. On the other hand, it’s depressing as hell since all of those beautiful, chemical memories are going to go to bye-bye land. :sobs:

- Aww, Enzo has been out there trying to find information to bring Damon (and Bonnie) back. And I thought that Alaric and Enzo would be battling for the top spot as Damon’s BFF. I guess that will happen once Damon’s back.

- I like how we're seeing Damon and Bonnie four months ago, Stefan in Savannah, our peeps in their places, Enzo where he is and it's all tying in together. I just think it’s cool.

- Okey-dokey then, so Damon is a vampire still. Welp, there goes that whole theory screwed to hell. Oops to me and apparently a big chunk of fandom, LOL!

- I really wished the stupid extended preview hadn't showed the newspaper with the 1994 date. That would have been a mondo cool reveal. OK, there ya go, here’s another one I’m not denying myself spoiler-wise. I'm not gonna watch the extended previews anymore either. Nope.

- Oh Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy.

- I loved Elena's not too disguised annoyed ‘Oh Caroline won't be too hard to fight me on the forgetting Damon thing.' Yeah, ya think?

- So yeah, Damon comes back and Alaric can just bring her memories back. That’s what I thought. And, of course, since Elena said it that means something funky is going to happen and Alaric won't be able to do so. *sigh*

- Aww, Caroline didn't say anything bad about Damon and Damon and Elena and even initially tried to talk Elena out of it. Double aww. Oh, Caroline! ♥ you!

- Hahahah! “Rude” and “That frown that’s not upside down…” on the porch from Damon to Bonnie just cracked me up. Actually, I just loved their whole scene on the Gilbert porch scene. Bonnie lounging on the steps, Damon back and forth on the swing as they try and figure stuff out.

- Ooh, I love Caroline’s pissed-off bitch-face! Her just staring at Stefan with her arms akimbo facing him down. Oooh!

- Well, serpentinesoul totally called it not only about 1994, but also about Damon and Bonnie being in the Salvatore kitchen. She, bogwitch and I had a little back and forth about that last week because bogwitch rightly pointed out that we did see the “kitchen” in “You’re Undead To Me,” but as I said it wasn’t really a full set but rather a quarter of a wall and Zach just standing in front of a counter that they could have just rolled in front of the actor (which is likely what they did). Well, now we have the Salvatore kitchen and it’s a beauty. And ya’ll know what I’m thinking right? Can’t wait until that magic spell is dropped and Damon and Elena are fully reunited with memories fully intact and we get some kitchen lovin’ time, yeah baby!!!

- Hmm, caught in a time loop, are they? Doing their own version of Groundhog’s Day? Things that make you go, hmm, indeed!

- I love so much that just right then, right there the show completely killed the whole contention that Elena only loved Damon because of the sire bond. BOOM! DEAD! Because, yes, some Stefan/Elena fans are *still* clinging to that as to why Elena loves Damon. Still saying that the only reason that she’s with him, claims to love him is because of the sire bond, and thank you very much, the show just completely, totally, absolutely, 100% eradicated that belief. BOOYAH!

- Obviously there is more with this Sarah chick, I do wonder. I haz thoughts. Later in the post.

- I kinda love that Damon pointed that out to Bonnie that just maybe the negativity is because she's always negative to him. Thank you. It’s about time he said that to one of them.

- Hah! I loved, loved Bonnie and her bear, aww. When she grabbed it and stalked out, it was just adorable!

- Damon and Bonnie going increasingly insane being stuck with each other may be their personal hell, but it’s pretty damn entertaining to me.

- The problem with Caroline's point about Elena not wanting to admit to herself that she fell for Damon when she was with Stefan is proof that she really doesn't know Elena like she thinks she does. Elena did list times when she was "with" Stefan (the porch kiss because even though she and Stefan were on the outs, technically, she and Stefan were still sort of together) and of course, the Miss Mystic Falls dance she was definitely with Stefan.

- Oh, Lordy, the dinner with Stefan, Caroline, Ivy (who I like) and Enzo was deliciously awkward.

- So Stefan has definitely been eating his bloody Wheaties. He was totally not weaker than Enzo at all. I was impressed.

- And he still definitely does not like Enzo. Yeah.

- You know, hearing Caroline call Stefan a dick was AWESOME! because it was fabulous seeing someone FINALLY seeing Stefan for who he is when he pulls his selfish ‘me first’ stunts. (And I say this with love because I do love Stefan, I just see him with his faults.) Because he did it again, just like he did after Klaus gave him his freedom. He chose to walk away instead of fighting for Elena and their love because it was easier to go after revenge. He did the same thing here. It’s easier to walk away from the life he built in Mystic Falls (or at least the surrounding area) without Damon than get through the time times with those hurting as well because it hurts. And, hallelujah, Caroline called him on it. And THAT'S why I love and ship Stefan and Caroline. She sees him for WHO he is, not only the image he projects and pretends that he is.

- Knowing that Elena said that the moment she realized she loved Damon I decided to go back and reread my thoughts on the scene in my post(s)—because I wrote two. And here’s what I had on it:

Even their most lovely scene -- him giving her the necklace -- mostly wasn't a DAMON/Elena scene because Stefan was VERY much there in the room, in the scene. Even his gift was all about Stefan canonically, I suppose. Personally, I associate that necklace much more with Damon/Elena now (1.14, 2.08, and now this), but judging from the way Elena clutched the necklace after hearing of Stefan's misdeeds, it's clear that we are supposed to associate it with her and Stefan's twu wuv. So, yeah, even Damon's gift for Elena was actually another boon for the Stefan/Elena fans. *sigh*

Still, {happy} *sigh*, there were a few moments that I adored in this scene. (Oh heck, about Stefan a lot or not, I still did love the scene -- I so squeed over the little touch of Damon rubbing his finger over Elena in the photo.) Ah, but those little moments, I did totally love. And I loved them in large part because it was on Elena's end, not Damon's. *She* asked him to put the necklace on her. And when *she* turned around so close to him still, that tense moment -- OOH! CHEMISTRY! -- between them that was broken by Damon, and not Elena. I did love, love that. Not only because whatever Elena may say, whatever she may believe, her subconscious does show that there is definitely *something* there. Also, this shows that Damon is not going after her, he's not trying to woo her, seduce her, take advantage of Stefan out of the picture. Aww. Finally, that smile on her face when she told him "I am happy." So sincere and real and one of only a few times where she genuinely smiled in the entire episode.
And then when I rewatched the episode, I added these additional thoughts:

A review mentioned that Elena was leading Damon on now that she knew he loved her, whereas she wasn't last season because she didn't know, yet, she was asking him to put on her necklace, walking with him arm-in-arm through her party. But I disagree. That's not Elena, not at all. I honestly don't believe she's even aware of what she is doing. She's following her body, her heart's desire to be with him without thought; she's just doing because it feels right. She is completely blind to the fact that her body and her heart are not in agreement with her mind in this, therefore, she's not doing anything "wrong" because it's not really happening. Even though it is. Oh, Elena. I must say, it will be very interesting watching her very in-denial mind battle with her subconscious desire.

The most shining example of this was the gifting scene. It wasn't about the words spoken, it was how they were spoken, and everything that wasn't said; it was about heated looks and secret smiles. It was about the dichotomy of comfort and discomfort. There was an ease, a natural intimacy between them that just flowed through every second of interaction, but right alongside that was this nearly-unbearable tension: The way they looked at each other a second too long, the way they held themselves, the softly spoken words (Elena's "I am happy" and "thank you" -- delivered as near-whispers, as if savoring the intimacy between them). There was an exquisite desire that ebbed beneath the surface, as if they were both holding themselves back (Damon, fully aware, Elena, still in complete denial) from leaping forward and just giving into that want.
So, I can definitely see why the show went with this moment. And I do think it’s interesting that they went with the locket because over and over I’ve said that regardless that Stefan gave it to Elena, it has become so much more connected to Damon and Elena than Stefan and Elena in so many ways. And we got another one tonight.

As she was retelling the memory to Ric, Damon was walking into Stefan's room and he found the locket and despite knowing the connection that it held between Stefan and Elena in the future, he still selflessly put it back in its place for Stefan to find in "Friday Night Bites." Honestly the only reason I can see the inclusion in this scene is to show that the reason Elena realized her love for him in that moment--his selflessness--exists completely still. Unless I’m reading that scene wrong…

- *sigh* I get why Elena is doing this. I absolutely, totally do, but, oh, my goodness, it is so freaking painful. She thinks that he’s gone. I get that. And she’s dangerous because she’s taking the drugs and attacking people and that is bad, very bad. So I get it, but yeah, it’s painful. Gah. On the other hand, again, man, I'm getting such joyful bliss at the HAHAHAH to how this whole trip down memory lane is just completely putting the utter kibosh on any Stefan/Elena revisionism-fantasy that their fans want to try. I just love it so hard. Call me petty, but I do.

- Alas, because Elena has done this… Oh, damn. When Damon does come back, as he will… Elena will hate him because she now only remembers him as Stefan’s brother, the monster, who killed her brother. *sigh* This will suck. HOWEVER! I’m thinking, maybe, wondering... This will be the chance for Damon to *finally* prove himself that he’s got it under control. This time, maybe he won’t snap and will respond the right way. And this time he might have Bonnie and truly have Alaric on his side. I mean, Alaric, as much as he was his friend, he did hold back a lot, but that won't happen now, and on top of that he'll feel guilty for the whole, you know, erasing his BFF’s girlfriend’s memories of their great love. Yeah, that.

- Oh, poor Caroline. Trying to sound perky and happy for a no-longer depressed-as-hell Elena, and then breaking down all over again because Stefan was a dick.

- You go, Enzo!

- Wait, more on that. I'm sorry, but, yeah, you go Enzo. Not of course AT ALL for what he did to Ivy. That’s awful for what he did to her and I feel terrible about that. But yes, if Stefan really did give up and I don't know why he would be keeping it secret still at this point, and Enzo has not, I'm all yes, go Enzo because Stefan is being awful to Caroline (and Elena and Ric). He's turned his back on EVERYONE including Damon. Damon would not have given up after only four months. No way. So go Enzo *with regards to Stefan, not Ivy.)

I mean, come on, Stefan turned his back on Caroline (Caroline!), who is there, who was literally standing right in front of him! She lost her best friend, and she has been there sooooo much for Stefan. And he couldn't even bother to listen to her messages because he's a selfish dick who thinks only of himself. And he didn’t apologize and he didn’t try and make her feel better. And UGH! God, Stefan! But, hey, that's who Stefan can be when Stefan is feeling all emo and woe is me. It's always been who Stefan is. It's never been about Elena. It's been about what Stefan wants, and Stefan wanted Elena and that's why he did the things he did. And now that Elena is no longer his he doesn't want her, and Damon is gone so there's no reason to stick around so he's basically thrown his hands up and been all 'peace, later dudes' without the 'peace,' or 'later, dudes' part. So, yeah, go Enzo!

- Aww, Jeremy is paying Bonnie's cell phone and leaving voicemails to yell at her. Gah, Jeremy! And then "Everybody Hurts" (which always guts me) began to play and that just broke my heart. Seriously, show!

- OK, now, there's got to be a point to Jeremy and Sarah going to the Salvatore boarding house while Damon and Bonnie (even in 1994) are there. Right?

- Hmm, I wonder if Sarah's a witch too. Possibly a Bennett? I dunno, who could her dad be? I am intrigued. But there’s got to be a point to the whole Sarah and Jeremy going to the boarding house.

- That scene with Tripp and the van of vampires was just OOKY!

- Aww, the scene at the end where Bonnie cooked for Damon showed that they’re starting to get alone (after two months!) to a degree. Aww!

- Oooh!!! Someone else is there??!?!?! Whu huh?!?!

OK – additional, non-chronological thoughts…

- The fact that Stefan was a selfish dick because he can be and he was called on it, and it was literally spoken aloud that no, Elena does NOT love Damon because of the sire bond and YES, Elena fell in love with Damon (a FOREVER love) when she was with Stefan during an episode that was written solely by *Julie Plec* is pretty damn awesome. :D Hee! Can’t really argue against those conclusions any longer, now can ya?

- The other thing about it being a Julie Plec written episode? The inconsistency. *sigh* Much like the Stefan-ripper arc in season 03 and the sire bond in season 04, there was a wee bit of inconsistency here. I mentioned above about how Caroline didn’t know Elena because she said that she didn’t want to admit that she fell for Damon when she was with Stefan, but she did talk about Damon when she was with Stefan. Then we have Alaric telling her she needed to talk about that, and I was like, uhm, she did.

She talked about the porch kiss which was when ‘on the outs’ or not, she technically considered herself with Stefan. And when she danced with Damon, she was definitely with Stefan. Every memory she told Alaric was supposed to be when she believed she fell for Damon. So, yeah, she did talk about when she was with Stefan. But, yeah, Julie Plec, queen of inconsistency (see The Originals, or rather don’t). Still, other than the Elena/Tyler picture… really? I mean, really?! That was the only flaw in an otherwise pretty awesome episode.

- So, the fact that Damon and Bonnie are stuck on a day that contains a solar eclipse is important, yes?! Because a solar eclipse would count as a witchy, mystical power source, so once Bonnie gets her magic back, she can harness that power use it to get her and Damon where they belong I’m thinking.

- I do love that Enzo is so pissed at Stefan because he gave up on Damon because he knows better than anyone else how much Damon loves Stefan. Damon told Stefan that he raged to Enzo for five years how pissed and how much he hated Stefan but you know that what he revealed was just how much he loved his brother. So Enzo knows that, so I have to say, good on you, Enzo.

- Seeing Michael Malarkey in this episode versus Michael Trevino in the last episode? He is definitely coming out on top in the battle of the Michaels, character-wise and acting. DEFINITELY.

- So I was thinking the other day. You know, Matt being so gung-ho against vampires might be because of that Gilbert ring he's still wearing. He’s died a few times. Alaric’s hatred of vampires was accelerated because of Esther whispering acid nothings in his ears, but the ring still does have that effect on those who wear it over time. It did happen to Samantha Gilbert. I wonder if it’s working it’s slow, subtle poison on Matty Donovan.

OK, second episode and I thought it was an excellent one. I’m very bummed about Elena forgetting her love for Damon, but I understand why they’re going this route of course. Having Damon and Bonnie back for more than 30 seconds was awesome and the two are just fabulous playing off of each other in their antagonistic glory. So many questions, but I’m very, very curious to find out the answers. Yes, yes, indeed!
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on October 10th, 2014 07:37 am (UTC)
Ohhhh.... great post, as always. And you're right, I can understand Elena and why she thinks she has to move on, but, oh my, it is so painful to watch. The memory lane stuff was beautiful and I had a lump in my throat because I knew by the end of the episode it would all be gone from Elena's mind. I didn't expect her to remember Damon as the "monster", but I guess it's logical. But it hurts.

Hahaha!!! And there the theory of Elena loving Damon because of the sirebond goes straight to hell! Not that we didn't know it already. The witch in Nola said it, too. But it's nice to actually hear it from Elena.

Jeremy yelling at Bonnie over the phone? Hilarious. And so so so sad.

Damon and Bonnie together are awesome. The bantering and bickering right up to them having dinner quite peacefully. They won't go down the couple-road with them.

I am totally on board with Enzo. He is being the better brother to Damon right now. I mean, 4 months? He is a freaking vampire. For a vampire, that's nothing. If Stefan gave up after 4 years, I might get it. But that is just Stefan being selfish. Someone speculated that Stefan had a secret plan, but hm... I don't think so.

So, great episode. Very much looking forward to next week.

Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on October 13th, 2014 03:27 am (UTC)
I didn't expect her to remember Damon as the "monster", but I guess it's logical. But it hurts.

It does hurt, and alas, I think it's only going to get more painful, but I do think the payoff is going to be totally worth it. And I think it also is going to be very important when it comes to Damon's character growth and Elena understanding him fully.

Hahaha!!! And there the theory of Elena loving Damon because of the sirebond goes straight to hell!

So delicious.

Jeremy yelling at Bonnie over the phone? Hilarious. And so so so sad.

In a nutshell.

Damon and Bonnie together are awesome. The bantering and bickering right up to them having dinner quite peacefully. They won't go down the couple-road with them.

They are doing EXACTLY what I had hoped they would with them. YES! I LOVE THIS SHOW SO HARD!

I am totally on board with Enzo. He is being the better brother to Damon right now.

I am almost ready to take back my Enzo complaints about him being a bad Damon friend (except, no, he really did suck before, LOL!).

But that is just Stefan being selfish.

Or rather, Stefan being Stefan. *sigh* Oh, boo.

Someone speculated that Stefan had a secret plan, but hm... I don't think so.

I really don't.

So, great episode. Very much looking forward to next week.

I don't know that I'm looking forward to it, because hell knows what is going to happen with Elena, but I'm just kinda looking forward to getting through the pain of what is surely going to come because I do think the payoff will be worth it!
jairem08jairem08 on October 10th, 2014 02:19 pm (UTC)
Crying
Thank you for the quick write up. Will you elaborate more on this episode in take two?
I loved the episode. I actually cried. Caroline broke my heart. She is such a soldier and goes and goes and her own. Stefan is such a disappointment and specially to her. My heart really broke for her. I think she fully redeemed herself to me from all her nastiness towards Damon from previous seasons. She is a fighter. And DE, what can I say. I'm so happy that Elena pin pointed when she realized she loved Damon. This means she already had to have strong feelings for him or even loving him on some level in S02 but only really let it sink in in S03e01. No sire bond SE suckers!!! haha this is me immature me talking.
I'm sure many fans will hate the fact that she only now has memories of him being a monster who killed her brother. It is sucky. Wonder if that really was purposeful and necessary to bring it to that point? Maybe it could be at the point when she had already forgiven him but not sure about her love for him? This is quite the extreme. I hope there will be some massive pay off at the end.
And of course there will be some glitch when Alaric will want to give her her memories back... I agree with you on that one. So yeah bracing myself. But I'm really hoping and anticipating some "epic" storyline of them getting back together. Won't be probably the most romantic and loving reunion the first time.
Loved Damon/Bonnie dynamics. They were hilarious. Damon dancing to 90's music and then stopping abruptly when Bonnie entered? That same day repetition and solar eclipse totally has something to do with their return. And who is with them in the house? Tripp - He will probably be the evil guy this season. Our vamp group will be probably threatened somehow by him. I wonder if he knows who is who in the group (who is vampire ...)Oh and Sarah girl? Who is she? Who is her father? I have my suspicion? What if it is Bonnie's dad? But not sure. She would know he is dead? But what if? And then Bonnie coming back and finding out about her and that her and Jeremy... Sigh. Jeremy is totally of the wagon. Though secretly he is leaving those heart breaking messages for Bonnie.
And high five to Enzo. I'm so proud of him. It's only been him and Caroline that have been really going and not stopping. They should actually pair them. I'm not sure if Stefan deserves Caroline now. She even realized that he is only about himself and selfish when he gives up. And she called him a dick! I think I just have to avoid fandom complaining about Elena's memories being taken away. Also I'm sure many people will complain that she gave up on him too soon. Luckily I don't go anywhere to look for info so I can only get across negativity accidentally... but I think it will be great. As much as we hurt now. Can't wait for more.
And... who is in the house with Damon and Bonnie? That is intriguing.
Also just a thought - Damon is still vamp. He needs his blood. What is he drinking? It's been four months. There aren't people in their place/time. Nor are there blood bags. At least that's what I think. Doubt he drinks from Bonnie? Or maybe he doesn't need it in this alternate world.

Loved the kitchen. They have to show it again. In some awesome scene.

I really enjoyed this episode. An like you will always choose to trust the show. Just like you I believe this show is totally underrated. And I love it so.

And Damon was so pretty. Just so handsome.

Looking forward to more comments here. It is always nice to see positivity and read wonderful opinions.
Arabian: Elena-Caroline & Bonnie01arabian on October 13th, 2014 03:54 am (UTC)
Re: Crying
I wasn't going to do a Take Two since this is already the length of a regular post (over 3,000 words), it just didn't have the gifs, but...

Re: Caroline. See for me, I just can't agree with everyone that she was so awful towards Damon when he was pretty nasty back towards her. Yes, there were a few times when she crossed the line, but overall, he was an asshole to her right back. So my only issue with her character has really been with the show's insistence in making her all about the "boy" when it comes to the Tyler and Klaus storylines. I do agree that she was wonderful in this episode.

This means she already had to have strong feelings for him or even loving him on some level in S02 but only really let it sink in in S03e01.

Yup.

No sire bond SE suckers!!!

Double yup!

I'm sure many fans will hate the fact that she only now has memories of him being a monster who killed her brother. It is sucky. Wonder if that really was purposeful and necessary to bring it to that point?

I agree that many fans will hate it, but I have a theory as to why they brought it to this point. It centers around Damon's character growth, Elena understanding Damon's character and really giving D/E fans the full enchilada of a D/E love story front and center. I could be wrong of course, though.

And of course there will be some glitch when Alaric will want to give her her memories back... I agree with you on that one.

See Take Two.

Loved Damon/Bonnie dynamics. They were hilarious.

So what I wanted with them!

Who is her father? I have my suspicion? What if it is Bonnie's dad?

I thought of her being Rudy's daughter, but I was so stuck on the idea of her being a witch and Bonnie got her witchy powers through her mom that I let that go.

And high five to Enzo. I'm so proud of him. It's only been him and Caroline that have been really going and not stopping. They should actually pair them. I'm not sure if Stefan deserves Caroline now.

A relationship is not about "deserving" someone. If it was, Elena and Damon shouldn't be together because Damon's right, Damon doesn't "deserve" Elena (and neither does Stefan). It's about who you love, how you are for that person and how you are willing to be the best for that person. Right now Stefan is struggling because he is going through the greatest grief of his life. Caroline is not going to permanently walk away from him... because when it's real, you don't walk away.

She even realized that he is only about himself and selfish when he gives up.

Because she sees Stefan as who he is and not the projected image of who he wants people to see. She sees the best and worst of him and that's a good thing. She sees and still cares about all of him. Once Stefan realizes that, it will be better for him because he needs to realize that. In her attempt to "help" him, Lexi screwed him up so deeply. Caroline can help him.

I think I just have to avoid fandom complaining about Elena's memories being taken away.

Avoiding TVD fandom is how I stay sane, LOL!

Also I'm sure many people will complain that she gave up on him too soon.

She only did that because she was going to kill people and that she was going to eventually just walk into the sun because she'd never be happy without him. She was doing what Damon would want.

And... who is in the house with Damon and Bonnie? That is intriguing.

Yup.

Also just a thought - Damon is still vamp. He needs his blood. What is he drinking? It's been four months. There aren't people in their place/time. Nor are there blood bags. At least that's what I think. Doubt he drinks from Bonnie? Or maybe he doesn't need it in this alternate world.

Good question.

Loved the kitchen. They have to show it again. In some awesome scene.

I demand sexytiems with Damon/Elena once this is all resolved in the Salvatore kitchen.

And Damon was so pretty. Just so handsome.

Always. ♥
Mattghidorah15 on October 10th, 2014 04:12 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't be so sure that Damon is still a vampire. I admit, when he said he felt a fang and assumed he was, I thought of you and your theory. But given that it's been four months in this other place and he's shown zero signs of needing blood, maybe he was mistaken? Something to ponder.

Not really much to add. Damon/Elena prove yet again they are the true love story of this show, the sire bond has been thoroughly killed (HAH!), Caroline sees Stefan's selfish and ugly side and calls him out on it in just three words, Enzo is awesome (agreed, not in killing Ivy - that's a warped vampire thing) and lays down the law to the idiot, Jeremy is clearly stuck on the "anger" stage of grieving, Matt is starting to get suspicious of Tripp (creepy bastard) and Sarah (I wonder who her dad is) both, Alaric tries to help Elena by erasing her true memories only to see it backfire painfully, and...

Oh, hello. Tyler is conspicuous by his absence. Hallelujah!

Sooo yeah, I think that's it. Who knows what the next episode will bring?
Arabian: Elena07arabian on October 13th, 2014 03:56 am (UTC)
I wouldn't be so sure that Damon is still a vampire. I admit, when he said he felt a fang and assumed he was, I thought of you and your theory. But given that it's been four months in this other place and he's shown zero signs of needing blood, maybe he was mistaken? Something to ponder.

I hope so. I still want him to be human!!

Not really much to add. Damon/Elena prove yet again they are the true love story of this show, the sire bond has been thoroughly killed (HAH!)

HAHAHA!

Caroline sees Stefan's selfish and ugly side and calls him out on it in just three words, Enzo is awesome (agreed, not in killing Ivy - that's a warped vampire thing) and lays down the law to the idiot, Jeremy is clearly stuck on the "anger" stage of grieving, Matt is starting to get suspicious of Tripp (creepy bastard) and Sarah (I wonder who her dad is) both, Alaric tries to help Elena by erasing her true memories only to see it backfire painfully, and...

Oh, hello. Tyler is conspicuous by his absence. Hallelujah!


LOL! Nice summation, and I definitely prefer Michael 2 to Michael 1. I actually found a lot of clues as to what I think they're going to do with the compulsion of Elena that I brought up in a Take Two post. Uh huh.
Florencia: Damon (Home)florencia7 on October 10th, 2014 07:43 pm (UTC)
part I
YAY!!! Thank you for posting your thoughts so quickly!!! I was DESPERATE to read them as soon as the episode ended! lol

♥!!!

”On one hand, the walk down Damon/Elena memory lane is totally awesome because hello!, it’s a walk down the beauty and chemistry of Damon and Elena.” - Did you also think, for a moment there, that they would give us a 3x01 “deleted scene”? Because I totally did *sigh* When there was that shot there of Damon sitting on the floor in the hallway, I thought it was Elena's memory and that she'd walk up to him a moment later... Oh well.

”Okey-dokey then, so Damon is a vampire still. Welp, there goes that whole theory screwed to hell.” - OH I'm all for that prediction being wrong, however, I think it's way too early to say. He's vampire now, but there's no telling what will happen once he comes back to life.

”That’s what I thought. And, of course, since Elena said it that means something funky is going to happen and Alaric won't be able to do so.” - haha Yeah, these things are obvious like that, aren't they? ^^ I'd LOVE for Elena to break the compulsion herself, but I don't know if it's even remotely possible. I think it'd be pretty awesome in the context of Elena trying to convince Stefan in S3 and Damon in S4 that they could break their respective Klaus' and Kol's compulsions *just* because they loved her. So I'd love for her to actually prove that it's possible. Girl power FTW & all that ;)

Caroline ROCKED this episode. I haven't been enjoying Caroline so thoroughly (as in: in every single second of her screen presence) in YEARS.

”I love so much that just right then, right there the show completely killed the whole contention that Elena only loved Damon because of the sire bond.” - I didn't believe it even for a second, so I I've never really had a problem with that, but I still appreciate that they made it 1000% clear right now ♥

”You know, hearing Caroline call Stefan a dick was AWESOME!” - It WAS weirdly satisfying haha I also thought it was really neat they did the whole parallel to Andie's death AND the callback to “eternity of misery”. Because while right now it's not very accurate (I think – because I am willing to cut Stefan some slack here), it IS accurate *in general* S1!Stefan did give up on Damon. We met him AFTER HE GAVE UP on Damon. So Enzo calling him out on it right now it's not perfect timing, but it IS kind of perfect.

” Honestly the only reason I can see the inclusion in this scene is to show that Elena never would have received the locket had it not been for Damon in 1994 placing the locket there.” - Ohhhhh Nice catch! I love your interpretation! I'm sure you're right!

”Alas, because Elena has done this… Oh, damn. When Damon does come back, as he will… Elena will hate him because she now only remembers him as Stefan’s brother, the monster, who killed her brother.” - That's what I have a little problem with, at least as of right now, because this just sounds like we'll be having Damon fighting for Elena AGAIN instead of the other way around. So I kind of think... am sure... kind of... that this is NOT what's going to happen at all, IDK. Someone mentioned this elsewhere – and I sort of like this idea A LOT, heh – that when Damon comes back he might be upset about the whole memory erasure thing and that will lead to Elena fighting for Damon, after all :)

Also... I need you to make me feel better about this. Why alter the memories? I get getting rid of them altogether, but altering them just feels... cruel and unfair to Damon. It's like destroying what's left of him, because what's left of him is memories. Elena's good, positive, loving memories. THAT was REAL Damon. And now what's left is the distorted, incomplete version of him. I just feel like this is wrong, on so many levels. I love Elena dearly and nothing is going to change that, but as for Alaric... I'm kind of more ready for Damon/Enzo bromance right now ;)

”And then "Everybody Hurts" (which always guts me) began to play and that just broke my heart.” - LOL I actually don't like this song, BUT the scene BROKE MY HEART all the same :[ OH Jeremy :[:[:[
Arabian: Damon & Elena43arabian on October 13th, 2014 05:07 am (UTC)
Re: part I
Did you also think, for a moment there, that they would give us a 3x01 “deleted scene”? Because I totally did *sigh* When there was that shot there of Damon sitting on the floor in the hallway, I thought it was Elena's memory and that she'd walk up to him a moment later... Oh well.

I might have? I'm not sure. I thought something when I saw him sitting there, but I don't remember now. Maybe I did.

I'd LOVE for Elena to break the compulsion herself, but I don't know if it's even remotely possible. I think it'd be pretty awesome in the context of Elena trying to convince Stefan in S3 and Damon in S4 that they could break their respective Klaus' and Kol's compulsions

You know, adding that to my theory, it makes a lot of sense.

Caroline ROCKED this episode. I haven't been enjoying Caroline so thoroughly (as in: in every single second of her screen presence) in YEARS.

Always nice for a Caroline fan to hear.

I didn't believe it even for a second, so I I've never really had a problem with that, but I still appreciate that they made it 1000% clear right now ♥

Well, of course you didn't believe it and I didn't believe it. I'm talking about the still S/E fans who continued to insist that was the case.

”You know, hearing Caroline call Stefan a dick was AWESOME!” - It WAS weirdly satisfying haha I also thought it was really neat they did the whole parallel to Andie's death AND the callback to “eternity of misery”. Because while right now it's not very accurate (I think – because I am willing to cut Stefan some slack here), it IS accurate *in general* S1!Stefan did give up on Damon. We met him AFTER HE GAVE UP on Damon. So Enzo calling him out on it right now it's not perfect timing, but it IS kind of perfect.

Exactly. This is Stefan's MO, and so not Damon's and so to hear Stefan called out on both of things and get payback in return was wonderful. And I fully believe that it's also wonderful for Stefan/Caroline and for Stefan growth because Caroline hasn't given up on Stefan, she's just hurt right now, but she still loves him (yes, she does). And he needs to see that someone can still love him, and not walk away (because when it's real, you don't walk away) so that he knows he can be loved even if he's not St. Stefan.

That's what I have a little problem with, at least as of right now, because this just sounds like we'll be having Damon fighting for Elena AGAIN instead of the other way around. So I kind of think... am sure... kind of... that this is NOT what's going to happen at all, IDK.

See my Take Two, I'm positive this is where they are going. Uh huh.

Someone mentioned this elsewhere – and I sort of like this idea A LOT, heh – that when Damon comes back he might be upset about the whole memory erasure thing and that will lead to Elena fighting for Damon, after all :)

I'm pretty sure he's going to be completely down with the memory erasure. Unless my theory is TOTALLY wrong.

Also... I need you to make me feel better about this. Why alter the memories?

Because the point was to make her NOT remember falling in love with him, not make her forget him. It was the little moments, the little things that made her fall for him, and remember what Alaric said? He was trying to find THE moment, the key moment that made her realize that she loved Damon, and could love him forever. And Elena was telling him what she thought was the moment, so every moment he was altering was just supposed to be THE moment, but she kept telling him the wrong moment.

Alaric... I'm kind of more ready for Damon/Enzo bromance right now ;)

Alaric is doing EXACTLY what Damon would want him to do. EXACTLY 100% all the way. Damon's number one priority is ALWAYS Elena, Elena's happiness is always what Damon puts first and so Alaric doing this so that Elena can find happiness again is EXACTLY what Damon would want Alaric to do. Alaric is being the absolute best friend in the world right now to Damon because it is probably killing him to do this to both Damon and Elena, but he is doing it because it is what is best for Elena and that is what Damon would want.
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Florencia: Elenaflorencia7 on October 10th, 2014 07:43 pm (UTC)
part II
”Hmm, I wonder if Sarah's a witch too. Possibly a Bennett? I dunno, who could her dad be? “ - My first thought was that she was Bonnie's half-sister unaware of Rudy's untimely death...

”Matt being so gung-ho against vampires” - I actually didn't get this impression at all? Hm.. *needs to rewatch*

” I’m very bummed about Elena forgetting her love for Damon, but I understand why they’re going this route of course.” - I SO don't yet LOL. But I'm going to wait, very patiently, for an explanation. I mean, I kind of understood in 6x01, but this episode left me wondering...

Random prediction of the week: Damon (and Bonnie) will come back to life in different bodies (temporarily, of course) and Elena will think he's that ~mysterious stranger whom Alaric graciously hadn't completely erased from her memory! ;D (I know, I know. I'm just making this stuff up while feeling hyper after watching the episode + exhausted after work. Ignore me lol)

I really really really needed this post today!!! It was WONDERFUL (as always) – THANK YOU!!! ♥ ♥ ♥
Arabian: Elena13arabian on October 13th, 2014 05:12 am (UTC)
Re: part II
”Hmm, I wonder if Sarah's a witch too. Possibly a Bennett? I dunno, who could her dad be? “ - My first thought was that she was Bonnie's half-sister unaware of Rudy's untimely death...

I thought of that too, but I was so stuck on the idea of her being a witch, but the witchy side came from Abby. Someone mentioned Tripp (because of his interest), and I thought, hmmm, maybe Abby stepped out on Rudy!

”Matt being so gung-ho against vampires” - I actually didn't get this impression at all? Hm.. *needs to rewatch*

Not from this episode so much, but I was more thinking the finale and the premiere and I just wanted to throw that in there.

”I’m very bummed about Elena forgetting her love for Damon, but I understand why they’re going this route of course.” - I SO don't yet LOL.

She was attacking people and almost killed Sarah! She was almost caught, Caroline had to bring in her mom, Matt was brought into it. Elena was basically a junkie at this point. It was bad. And she was ready to jump right back into the drugs and thus start attacking people, and likely start killing pretty soon thereafter. She had to do this.

Random prediction of the week: Damon (and Bonnie) will come back to life in different bodies (temporarily, of course) and Elena will think he's that ~mysterious stranger whom Alaric graciously hadn't completely erased from her memory!

I DO NOT want this. It would involve Elena making out with someone not Ian Somerhalder-shaped! DO NOT WANT!

I really really really needed this post today!!! It was WONDERFUL (as always) – THANK YOU!!! ♥ ♥ ♥

You're welcome. Glad to oblige. :)
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La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on October 11th, 2014 01:30 am (UTC)
I wasn't teary until Alaric's reaction to Elena forgetting Damon. It said it all.

And then cut to Caroline bawling in the car and I'm so mad. Not because I really want a Caroline/Stefan thing - honestly, over the seasons I have had a rough time actually liking Caroline. I had a thing against Bonnie for the LONGEST time and then something shifted in like Season 3 and I started to love Bonnie. I think this was the episode for Caroline for me. I truly felt her pain because of Stefan - so much so that I was actually proud of Enzo for sticking up for her. You can tell that Enzo cares for her too.
Arabian: Caroline03arabian on October 13th, 2014 04:11 am (UTC)
I wasn't teary until Alaric's reaction to Elena forgetting Damon. It said it all.

Aww, *sigh* I think the payoff will be worth it. I do!

And then cut to Caroline bawling in the car and I'm so mad. Not because I really want a Caroline/Stefan thing - honestly, over the seasons I have had a rough time actually liking Caroline. I had a thing against Bonnie for the LONGEST time and then something shifted in like Season 3 and I started to love Bonnie. I think this was the episode for Caroline for me. I truly felt her pain because of Stefan - so much so that I was actually proud of Enzo for sticking up for her. You can tell that Enzo cares for her too.

Isn't it weird when a character FINALLY breaks through for you? It was 3.11 for me with Matt and now I LUFF HIM SO MUCH! It will be interesting to see how you start to react to Caroline now. For me, I've actually loved her since the Pilot, so I always feel for Caroline. So she cries, I feel. Oh, Caroline! I loved Enzo giving Stefan what for! for both Damon and Caroline. Go Enzo!
Alisha: DC Joey/Pacey Comfortkalishaka on October 11th, 2014 09:13 pm (UTC)
So, I completely bailed on last season of this show. I was pretty bummed coming off of the end of season four and I just didn't find anything compelling to keep me interested for the season five ride. However, I have been emotionally compelled to invest a bit of time on this episode for obviously Delena related reasons, and my nostalgia goggles are strong. I am intrigued by this whole time distortion thing. I kind of want to watch again....but I don't know if I am intrigued enough to go back and watch last season to get there yet. (I am sure if I jump down this rabbit hole I will go back and watch them eventually.) Is it feasible that I could just jump in with a tiny bit more review knowledge and start over with this season? Either way, is there something during the last season that you think I really would miss/have missed that could change my view?

Also, I have totally missed you! Hope all is well.
Arabian: Damon & Elena43arabian on October 13th, 2014 04:09 am (UTC)
So, I completely bailed on last season of this show.

Oh, that makes me sad. :(

I was pretty bummed coming off of the end of season four and I just didn't find anything compelling to keep me interested for the season five ride.

I just-- I can't fathom that. I am sorry. I really liked season 04. (I blame the inconsistency of the sire bond on Julie Plec. I did a series rewatch and Stefan's ripper arc had inconsistency issues also. And I stopped watching The Originals because of inconsistency issues between character backstories from TVD moved over to TO and even inconsistencies on TO. And even this episode had a few inconsistencies. There were no major inconsistencies in the major or minor arcs in seasons 01 and 02--with Kevin co-helming, or season 05--with Caroline Dries basically running the show. So, yeah, it's a Plec thing.) And, well, I loved season 05. A lot.

However, I have been emotionally compelled to invest a bit of time on this episode for obviously Delena related reasons, and my nostalgia goggles are strong.

I can get that.

I am intrigued by this whole time distortion thing. I kind of want to watch again....but I don't know if I am intrigued enough to go back and watch last season to get there yet.

YOU SHOULD!!!!! And then you can read my recaps!!!!!!

(I am sure if I jump down this rabbit hole I will go back and watch them eventually.) Is it feasible that I could just jump in with a tiny bit more review knowledge and start over with this season? Either way, is there something during the last season that you think I really would miss/have missed that could change my view?

The first half of the season was a bit slower than normal for TVD because Caroline Dries was obviously getting the hang of it, but from like 12 on, it was pretty much gang-busters. Some didn't like the Travelers storyline, but I did. There was a LOT of Katherine, so if you don't like her, you might have issues, but I love her. Stefan/Elena was effectively killed dead and what happened with them completely made EVERYTHING (and I mean EVERYTHING) that happened before be looked at in a different light. And Damon/Elena basically were clearly defined as THE OTP of all SHINIEST, OTPIEST of OTPS of the show. I really loved the season. It's my favorite season of the series. I also have a favorite recurring guest star even though she was only in (sob!) four episodes. I really, really, really loved 10 of the 22 episodes and loved to really loved the other 12 (on rewatch). The finale was my favorite finale and my Take Two post was over 11,000 words!! So, yeah, I'd recommend watching the season.

Also, I have totally missed you! Hope all is well.

Aww, I was actually thinking of you a few days ago. I've missed you as well. :)
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ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries Damon Thinkingamberfocus on October 12th, 2014 07:07 pm (UTC)
I think maybe Tripp is Sarah's father. He showed an unusual interest in her and the stolen car for someone who is not a cop.

I am suspecting that there will be an eclipse in the current timeline of Mystic Falls and that when it happens it will somehow link back to 1994 Mystic Falls and bring Damon and Bonnie forward while at the same time breaking the traveler's spell on MF. And then there's a thought...maybe there is a traveler in 1994 with Bonnie and Damon since they just discovered they are not alone.
Arabian: Bonnie03arabian on October 13th, 2014 03:58 am (UTC)
I think maybe Tripp is Sarah's father. He showed an unusual interest in her and the stolen car for someone who is not a cop.

Could be, could be. I was thinking Rudy too, but I was so stuck on the idea of her as a witch for some reason and I kept thinking of the Bennett line running through Bonnie's mom that I dismissed Rudy, so it could be Tripp. Hmmm... Maybe Abby had an affair!

I am suspecting that there will be an eclipse in the current timeline of Mystic Falls and that when it happens it will somehow link back to 1994 Mystic Falls and bring Damon and Bonnie forward while at the same time breaking the traveler's spell on MF.

OOHHH!!! I was thinking before the season started that there definitely could be something that has to link wherever Damon and Bonnie are to where the gang is. This separation makes even more sense.

And then there's a thought...maybe there is a traveler in 1994 with Bonnie and Damon since they just discovered they are not alone.

There is that too!!! Hmmm.
Alisha: Janellekalishaka on November 17th, 2014 04:31 pm (UTC)
I had so many things to say about this episode and then you went and said them all already!

This might be the first episode where I really have begun to love Enzo. The actor has always been very pretty and I've enjoyed him. But the fact he hasn't stopped looking for Damon, the fact he was so enraged just seeing Caroline cry, the fact he just....is willing to torture Stefan until he sorts his shit out, fabulous! I love him.

Caroline....oh god she broke my soul this episode. With Elena blocking a portion of her memories and Bonnie dead, Caroline has even less support than she did an episode ago, and to know Stefan never even listened to the voicemails she left, it was gutting. Everything hurts.

Jeremy leaving the voicemail for Bonnie. That was an incredibly real, visceral moment. The anger but the need to still connect, to still have some way to just speak at her. It's been four years and my mom has never turned my brother's phone off for the same reason. No one calls it anymore, but I think she just needs the idea that we could. The themes of family and grief and how wonderfully this show handles it has always touched me, but this scene just really got to me.

The Damon and Elena walk through the past was wonderful. And I am incredibly glad they chose the moment they did. And I'm glad that they brought back the "It's okay to love them both" because as a viewer, season three was the season where Elena loved them both. And it never made her seem lesser. It was just the reality of her situation and love is never black and white or simple. And I loved that it gave them the chance to really focus on Elena and how she viewed their relationship because so much of that was clouded by the triangle and by the action around them, and her own denial, and to have her past that and seeing these moments more objectively, was just wonderful. It's so rare to get a chance to do that.

Damon and Bonnie are everything. Oh god, I love them soooo much. I could watch the Bonnie and Damon show forever. I love everything about it.

I am intrigued to see who they are sharing space with.

I am less thrilled with Tripp....but my initial thought is Sarah is connected to him, but if not there...I am assuming Bonnie. And I'm not all that trilled with Sarah either. I just haven't found anything interesting about them yet.

Also I am mourning Ivy. She was wonderful and should have stayed. She and Matt could have had it all. I had plans.
Arabian: Damon18arabian on December 30th, 2014 08:14 am (UTC)
I had so many things to say about this episode and then you went and said them all already!

Well, that's what we get for thinking alike so much on this show!

This might be the first episode where I really have begun to love Enzo. The actor has always been very pretty and I've enjoyed him. But the fact he hasn't stopped looking for Damon, the fact he was so enraged just seeing Caroline cry, the fact he just....is willing to torture Stefan until he sorts his shit out, fabulous! I love him.

On the other hand, I don't love Enzo. I think it's because while I like the actor, I just don't love him. But on the other other hand...

Caroline....oh god she broke my soul this episode.

SOOOOO agreed.

Jeremy leaving the voicemail for Bonnie. That was an incredibly real, visceral moment. The anger but the need to still connect, to still have some way to just speak at her. It's been four years and my mom has never turned my brother's phone off for the same reason. No one calls it anymore, but I think she just needs the idea that we could. The themes of family and grief and how wonderfully this show handles it has always touched me, but this scene just really got to me.

Yup, yup, yup. It is so mind-boggling to me that so many people, viewers, critics dismiss this show as just a teenage triangle show with pretty people. So not true. It's about community, family, friendship and love.

The Damon and Elena walk through the past was wonderful. And I am incredibly glad they chose the moment they did. And I'm glad that they brought back the "It's okay to love them both" because as a viewer, season three was the season where Elena loved them both. And it never made her seem lesser. It was just the reality of her situation and love is never black and white or simple. And I loved that it gave them the chance to really focus on Elena and how she viewed their relationship because so much of that was clouded by the triangle and by the action around them, and her own denial, and to have her past that and seeing these moments more objectively, was just wonderful. It's so rare to get a chance to do that.

Just all of this so much.

Also I am mourning Ivy. She was wonderful and should have stayed. She and Matt could have had it all. I had plans.

Sigh. Yeah, Matt and Ivy could have been interesting. Ah well.
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on December 29th, 2014 10:14 pm (UTC)
After all that my notes on this ep added up to nothing much at all, but I did want to say this was one of the standout episodes of the show. It was beautifully done start to finish. However, my thoughts were mainly overshadowed by Ian’s distracting acting choice to ram the spoon into his mouth and chew the soup (I am assuming it is meant to be soup as there wasn’t a lot of substance to it when Bonnie was dishing it out) – something I cannot now unsee! (I understand a lot of people thought Ian’s acting was a bit OTT in this episode and the next, and though I agree a smidge, I put it down to portraying Damon as being very drunk and putting on a show through most of the 1994 experience – another reason I wanted to see Damon and Bonnie really talk, not just hear about it).

What I really want to know is who bought the Spin Doctors CD, it had to be Stefan right? (Though who am I to judge, when I have a copy of Two Princes somewhere!).

I was also thinking there has to be a Nirvana title sometime this season surely, I am therefore putting my money on ‘Heart Shaped Box’ for the record, even though we are now more or less halfway through and there’s no sign of it yet.
Arabian: Damon15arabian on December 30th, 2014 08:22 am (UTC)
my thoughts were mainly overshadowed by Ian’s distracting acting choice to ram the spoon into his mouth and chew the soup

I do not remember this, but I'm thinking that there probably was some chunks of veggies or meat in there that you just couldn't see because he wouldn't chew nothing.

I understand a lot of people thought Ian’s acting was a bit OTT in this episode and the next, and though I agree a smidge, I put it down to portraying Damon as being very drunk and putting on a show through most of the 1994 experience – another reason I wanted to see Damon and Bonnie really talk, not just hear about it

Seriously? REALLY? And this is why I'm so glad I avoid tumblr. Man. Ian was NOT OTT and I don't even know why you agree a smidge. He's stuck with someone (especially in this episode) who he has to be on guard with because he doesn't really know how things will be with with Bonnie so he has that 'I'm a bad-ass and I don't care' shield up. I didn't find anything even remotely OTT in his performance in the slightest. That's just... no.

What I really want to know is who bought the Spin Doctors CD, it had to be Stefan right? (Though who am I to judge, when I have a copy of Two Princes somewhere!).

Totally Damon. Totally. Because Two Princes was totes cool for the nanosecond it was hot, and then it became uber-lame and everyone who'd bought their CD pretended they hadn't.

I was also thinking there has to be a Nirvana title sometime this season surely, I am therefore putting my money on ‘Heart Shaped Box’ for the record, even though we are now more or less halfway through and there’s no sign of it yet.

Could be, could be, LOL!
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