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03 October 2014 @ 07:17 am
6.01 - 'I'll Remember' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Our long, dark summer has passed and The Vampire Diaries is once more with us. AAAAAAHHHHHH! The crowd cheers. Dare I say it? I will. Behind the cut, not too many words. I think. Maybe. We'll see. I was wrong. Of course.

Note: Just a quick heads-up, first as always, yup, still doing the whole spoiler-free thing, and still going completely whole hog spoiler-free. That means no episode descriptions, no episode stills, nothing! So please don't reference any spoilers at all, if it hasn't aired, please don't talk about it.

Also, (and this is already mentioned in a few comment—sadding this a bit late, but for any future comments) new thing that I'm doing starting this season with regards for speculation about promos for the next episode. When it comes to this show, I realized that we just don't know what anything means. We're getting 20-30 seconds out of 42-44 minutes of an episode and it's not even necessarily 20-30 seconds that is going to be in the finished product that makes it onto the air. So, I'm not going to speculate based on the promos anymore because those promos can mean anything. We just don't know. Any speculation I do in my posts is going to be based purely on episodes that have aired from now. :Nods emphatically: So on with the episode! Whee! Because my show is back!

Not an OMG!Awesome episode, but I really liked it. Of course it helped that it was pretty much the Elena hour and I did like what we got with regards to the Damon and Elena love story. But since it was so Elena-heavy, let's start with her, shall we?

So she's decided to be a doctor then. Hmm. On one hand, I can see it. She's a very compassionate person. She's smart, she grew up in a doctor's household and if worse comes to worse, she can save a dying patient with her blood, right? And of course she's following in her father's footsteps, plus, in a way, she's honoring her parents' memory by doing this by being a better person. So it does make sense. On the other hand, well, we've never been given any indication that Elena has had any interest in the medical field before and the opportunity was there when Meredith was in their lives, not to mention the whole, you know, her dad was a doctor! Then there's the, ugh, connection to Stefan because he wanted to be a doctor and of course, Tom Avery, EMT-extraordinaire, but that's just the bitter shipper in me talking... Finally, and most obviously, oh, you know, she's a vampire (!) and being around blood all the time just might, maybe, could be, a problem, ripper or not. But, yeah, sure, Elena, go for it, be a doctor. If she can handle it, cool. It does fit her personality.

And she needs something to keep her mind off of her Damon-issues, well, while she has them (more on the Alaric-erasure later) since the one that could possibly do the trick isn't in play. Seriously, how much does Markos suck? By making Mystic Falls a magic-free zone thus keeping Jeremy and Elena mostly separated, he sure helped do a number on Elena. Oh, and alternately, what a horrible decision it is that Jeremy is NOT with Elena and Alaric right now? Because if Elena had Jeremy under her watchful eye, she so would not be this far gone because she would have to deal, she would have to. Think about it...the only time in the entire episode that Elena wasn't either in denial or falling apart, the only time when she appeared to have it together was when she was on the phone with Jeremy. That was an Elena in control. Yup. Other than that? The girl was a mess. Because...yeah, she's just lost it without Damon. Oh, Elena.

Elena and Damon. {sobs}

Go me, I managed to not cry in what I'm pretty much calling a sequel to their goodbye in "Home." Don't get me wrong, I was definitely emotional (each time I watched it—just don't ask how many times I watched it), I didn't cry though. It was interesting that they had her try to say goodbye to him, and even did the fake-out camera stays on her, but not on him so that you assume when it pulls away, he'll be gone but then he was still there.

 

These two. I couldn't help but think back to the whole "when it's real, you can't walk away," and with these two, we know it's real, and so they can't walk away. And they can't let go and so they hold on. And so Elena held on. And held on and then she just let go and let loose.

 

Caroline had said earlier to her mom that Elena hadn't even cried over Damon. Obviously Caroline was wrong. We'd seen Elena cry when she'd first lost Damon. We saw her cry now. And she told Caroline that every time she thought of never seeing him again, she thought she would die meaning that she did think about it, and I'm sure that every time she did, she cried. It's just clear that she didn't do it in front of Caroline...or anyone else. Her tears were for herself or "Damon" alone.

Gah! That moment at the end of that scene there when Elena once again slid down all alone in tears just like she had in "Home" gutted me. But this time she had someone to hold onto and not just air, even if it was only in her mind, it felt real to her. She could "see" him; she could "feel" him. Damn, that got to me. Man.

 

I also loved the callback to their first meeting and the full acknowledgement that, yes, he was what Elena truly wanted. Damon Salvatore was her passion, her adventure, the love that consumed her. Oh, oh, oh and I loved, loved, loved how we got over and over through the episode her telling everyone (Alaric, Caroline, Stefan, Damon/herself) that she couldn't imagine living forever in completion without him, that she had to basically forget loving him to even imagine finding any kind of happiness because there would always be a hole inside of her named Damon for eternity. *sigh* Just, gah.

Speaking of... Yeah, I mentioned that above, so will Alaric actually compel her to forget loving Damon? I thought at first that he wouldn't. That instead it would just be used as a device to delve deeper into Elena's feelings throughout her human years (as seen in the preview), but now I'm thinking it may happen. I mean, it's not like Alaric can't just uncompel it when Damon finally gets back, right? And there must be some reason they're setting it in motion beyond Alaric wants Elena to not suffer throughout eternity because she's so desperately, madly in love with Damon that she'll find no happiness ever without him. So we'll see. :shrugs:

ETA: serpentinesoul mentioned this comments. I had thought of it during the episode, but had forgotten to put it in my notes. Yes, Rebekah had offered to compel Stefan to forget loving Elena and he'd agreed which is similar to Elena asking Alaric to compel her to forget loving Damon. However, it really couldn't be more different. Elena was still there, she wasn't gone. It wasn't about getting over an unassailable grief because Damon had died, it was because Stefan was having a pity party of one because he'd been dumped (because, let's get real, after he'd left his girlfriend for four months—admittedly to save his brother—he then chose revenge over her). Anyhoo, back to Elena and Alaric.

But before that came up there was something else in that conversation that made me sit up and take notice. I felt a ping when Alaric said that he didn't like anything about being a vampire, and Elena said that she didn't as well. I immediately went back to my thoughts in my finale post about Damon being human and Elena eventually being human again as well because Elena doesn't want to be a vampire (which was discussed in-depth in some various comments). She accepts it, but she doesn't like it. And that line from her made me feel even more strongly that we eventually will go that road with Elena returning to her human state. Then boom, she said until she found things to enjoy about it.

And I was like 'oh' deflated like a balloon and then! she stated the thing she enjoyed about it was basically being able to love Damon forever. BOOYAH! And I was all ‘happy dance-time!' and I smiled because I felt that this comment proved my instinct right because it brought me back to "Into the Wild" and "Graduation." In the former Elena wanted Damon to take the cure with her, live a human life and they would grow old and die together, and then in the latter, Elena no longer wanted the cure because there was only one and if she couldn't have that human life WITH Damon, then she would have forever instead because it would be WITH Damon. The key was WITH DAMON. So, yeah, I'm back to thinking we're going to get a human!Damon and human!Elena eventually because these are the two that we've had those true epiphany moments with (not the surface 'what I should say because I'm a good guy' crap from Stefan) both individually and as a couple. Uh huh.

Random "Damon"/Elena moments that gave me the feels!

- Laughing and cuddling in the cemetery. Yeah, that's Damon and Elena. Yeah.

 

- Holding hands in the car. *sigh* It was like a parallel to the hand-holding in "Home." Me like.

 

- Kissing him goodbye. *sigh* But he's still there. Holding on, unable to let go.

 

- Elena pulling Damon's shirt out and then bringing it to her face to inhale the scent of him. I know that feeling, the memory, the love and the pain it evokes. I've been there.

 

- I was a bit confused at first about the line from "Damon" about "one line from my brother and you're ready to give up" because I could only originally think that it was about Damon's insecurity about Elena's feelings for Stefan. But this is coming from Elena's subconscious at this point and that simply makes no sense, so I kept thinking of an alternative and I think I have one. Which is Stefan is Damon's brother, loves him desperately and should be the last person to give up hope and if Stefan has given up, well, that should mean there is simply no hope left. Stefan is Damon's BROTHER. And that was the specific word that "Damon" used in the hallucination. "One call from my brother," so, yeah, I'm thinking that's it.

Yeah, oh, Stefan, you gave up, boo. You gave up. I'm surprised, but I really, really shouldn't be. At first I thought it was out of character, but then I realized it totally, completely, absolutely is so in character. So, so, so Stefan. Why? Because Damon is gone. Without Damon there, how can Stefan accomplish anything? Seriously. Stefan, once again, was his typical useless self. He can't figure out how to do anything without Damon there so he just shuts down completely. Yeah, that's Stefan to a tee. Yup. Oh, boo.

And note, how just as typical, Elena showed yet again how so completely she has no clue just who Stefan really is. She actually thought that he had it all together and he was soldiering through and doing it right, getting shit done. Nope, nope and nope. Stefan is a mess and useless. I mean, damn, every Stefan scene could have been removed from this episode and it would have changed nothing. Even the phone conversation with Elena could have been trimmed because that accomplished nothing. Her talk with Caroline could have segued to the next "Damon" scene and led to the same results. Ah, but then we wouldn't have seen the same emotional fall-out or lack thereof, right? Sure he's been avoiding both Elena and Caroline for months, but he at least took Elena's call at last, Caroline's not so much. Why not?

Because he'd give in to her. Elena doesn't care enough to push him to come back, all she cares about is if he's found any hope about Damon and Bonnie coming back. Alaric just checks in for information (about Damon). Caroline would push him. Caroline wants to talk to him, Stefan. She wants to talk about Stefan. Caroline cares, yes, about bringing Bonnie (and to a degree, I'm sure, Damon) home, but she's just as concerned about bringing Stefan back into the fold too. She wants Stefan back in her life as just as much. And he can't deal with that. He's shut down with the loss of his brother. He just can't deal and Caroline will make him deal and he's not ready.

Poor, poor Caroline. She's just so dang lost. She lost Bonnie, she lost Stefan and in a way she's lost her mother and Elena too. Girl just wants the gang back together so badly. I mean she even included Damon—without reservation—when she said "our closest friends." And there was not one Damon snark/insult at all. Nor were there any nasty comments made about him being a bad boyfriend or it being a good thing that he was gone from Elena's life. Like wowsers! NOT ONE! Girl really wants the team back together. And she spent ALL SUMMER with her mom!? Caroline?! WILLINGLY!?!? WOW! Oh, Caroline. You are really messed up without Bonnie and Stefan and a steady, head-on-straight Elena. I mean, she dropped out of college while Tyler signed up. Talk about a topsy-turvy world.

But at least it's a world we recognize. Where exactly in the world are Damon and Bonnie? I have no idea. You know when I went looking for the music for this episode, the final song listed their location as the afterlife. This confused me. I'm like 'OK so that's them in the afterlife? But wouldn't it be more obvious?' I mean, they're making pancakes, having coffee, reading the paper, sitting in front of a fireplace. I'm just not seeing anything that says afterlife here. Unless that's a spoiler? Because we're not getting it from the episode itself that just aired at all. Anyhoo. So, yeah, I totes knew that that was how this one was going to end. That we would see Damon and Bonnie somewhere. Right after Elena had given up on Damon coming back. Of course. *Of course.*

And, yuppers, looks like I called it, yeah, Damon sure seems human to me. (Fine, according to comments to my massive finale post, plenty of other people did too.) But of course, he's got to be more than human, so I'm still calling Traveler. On the other hand, the whipped cream on the pancakes looked like they were supposed to be fangs which would mean he still is a vampire. Unless...Damon was just annoying Bonnie, which her comment to him seemed to imply. Of course, in that case, they haven't lost any memories, which I kinda figured was probably going to happen. Unless...amnesiac!Damon likes to make vampire jokes (because, of course he would make vampire jokes because the memory is still there buried) thus the whipped cream fangs. So that brings us to who are amnesiac!Damon and amnesiac!Bonnie to each other if they are amnesiac!Damon and amnesiac!Bonnie?

Personally, I hope that they are adopted brother/sister, LOL!, because I think that would be HI-larious! What I really don't want is a random pairing up because (a) that's too predictable and (b) it would just add a very messy complication to the Damon/Jeremy, Elena/Bonnie relationships down the line. I know, I know, the incestuous relationships are so incestuous already, but I just think that it's too much this late in the game. But, yeah, I'm sure that if we are in store for amnesiac!Damon and amnesiac!Bonnie that is what it will be, *sigh.* Or, maybe, maybe, they'll just be really good friends. That would work too. But if we do have amnesiac!Damon and amnesiac!Bonnie, I really, really want adopted brother and sister. Because that would be awesome and HI-larious. Pretty please! If they even go the amnesiac route. Which hopefully they don't. We'll see.

Oh, by the way? Damon in the lumberjack shirt? HI-larious. I legit laughed out loud.

I also laughed out loud when Alaric muttered softly to Elena about drinking blood in class. Hahaha! Oh, Alaric. Alaric. Alaric. *Tries to reach through the television screen and smush you * *Smush* *Smush* *Smush* I missed you. The real you! Your steady, strong, awesome, wry presence. I missed you so. My beloved, bb Alaric! MUAH! And your hair looks fabulous! Even dealing with his situation, kinda freaked out about it—he could so use his buddy, Damon right now—he's still the most got-it-together of all of them. I smush you, Ric, I smush you so hard!

New character Jo that he's sorta crushing on? Not so much. Yeah, Jodi Lyn O'Keefe kinda looking rough and I was never her biggest fan (even going back to her soap opera days) to begin with. I'm not sure I'm gonna really feel this one. On the other hand, I'm liking Gabrielle Walsh's Sarah (the girl that Elena attacked that Matt helped) so far. She seems interesting. (Of course, I didn't dislike Olga Fonda's Nadia in her first appearance so I'm not giving an automatic thumbs up yet.)

Speaking of Matty-blue-blue! Look at you being all buff and responsible, trying to take care of the town even with the supernatural, violent element unable to step right on in. Being smart and proactive, aware that they will return, oh, Matty, I love you so. Hopefully, Sarah is more of a Rebekah and (much, much, much) less of a Nadia (much). As for Jeremy...I think the less said the better. Oh, Jeremy. Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy.

Jeremy. {insert sad face}

This leaves us with Tyler, our favorite human-cockroach hybrid. Let's get the obvious out of the way. Michael Trevino is not...the best actor ever. We will move on from there. I'm still curious to see how they're gonna playing this whole 'keep your temper in check' out. I'm not terribly impressed with Tyler's attitude about it so far, but hey, that's Tyler. I do like that they're bringing Alaric into this though and I'm seeing a good chemistry there and that's important to make any story fly. And Alaric can be a good influence. Plus, I appreciated seeing Alaric putting Tyler in his place, but because of the situation, I also felt for Tyler because he was genuinely trying to do the right thing. He was given misinformation (Caroline, Caroline, Caroline!) and flew off the handle (Tyler, Tyler, Tyler!). Hopefully this is where Alaric can step in and work with him in future situations. I could see this working. We'll see.

Also, am I this shallow? But the toned down make-up on Liv (less heavy eye-make-up and paler lipstick) and less 80's over-hairsprayed hair was much more appealing. I wasn't terribly fond of the actress, Penelope Mitchell, and character when she was introduced. I didn't dislike her, but as her episode count increased, I grew to appreciate her struggle with her coven's demands and her relationship with her brother. And I still love Luke, even with what he did leading to Damon's death because it was out of love for his twin.

And I gotta say it, I think I sorta kinda am possibly maybe intrigued by Liv and Tyler? They were kinda cute. I know, I know. But they were! Not as cute as Damon flipping pancakes in a lumberjack shirt and putting little whipped cream fangs on them though!

 


Speaking of Damon, although we saw Ian Somerhalder throughout the episode, honestly, except for the last thirty seconds making those pancakes and snarking with Bonnie, we didn't really see Damon Salvatore in this episode. Elena's hallucination-Damon was just one part of Damon, the sweet, in-love-with-Elena, mildly-snarky Damon, but not the complete package Damon. That wasn't really, fully Damon. So if this episode seemed a little less, I dunno, *oomphier* than most episodes, it's probably because of that. It took me talking with a friend (after I wrote this post initially) to realize that.

OK, then, now we are at the randoms –

- Well, it's nice to finally know why Meredith completely disappeared from Mystic Fall. (Ric's line about his ex marrying a pediatrician and moving to Alaska). Poor Torrey Devitto. I liked her, dangit.

- Wow, that picture from the memorial all the way back from "For Whom the Bell Tolls" which would have been almost a year ago (!!) for Bonnie is STILL there!? And still in such good condition! Damn!

 

- Look at the transition between the scenes above. Did anyone else notice that throughout the episode? There were flashes of white transitioning between scenes. As we got towards the end, I was suddenly struck with the idea that Damon and Bonnie were watching what was going on with the rest of the gang and that's why we were seeing the white transitions reminiscent of the fade to white at the end of the finale. I could be totally off-base, but I couldn't help but wonder. Hmm...

- God, Paul's tattoo is so hideous. I kept getting distracted in that scene with Ivy because all I could focus on was that monstrosity tattooed onto his shoulder. I did, however, kinda like the little bit we saw with her. I wonder if we'll see her again or if she was just a one-off.

- "That's not how our twin powers work," said Liv to Tyler. Hah! Funny, and cute. See, Liv and Tyler are cute.

- Aww, Luke, I do still like him. And I like that the show is touching on him doing all of this for Elena (beyond her being all psycho-threatening him now, of course) because he feels guilty that Damon is gone because he stopped Liv at the end there. As well, I also liked what Liv told Tyler (see, I kinda sorta liked their scenes, what can I say?) about how all those people did live because of what she did.

- What I said above about Damon and Elena and those two eventually being human, well, add Alaric to that now because his mortality (or immortality) is tied to Elena's as far as we know. Well, unless that has changed with him coming back from the Other Side. But I'm not sure why it would have.

- The teaser with the couple attack was like a combination of the first two episode teasers of the series when Damon attacked those couples. First with the girl flying down from the car (at the end of this teaser) similar to the first episode, and the second one began with the couple in the tent as this one began. It was like a Damon/Elena vampire attack parallel. Yeah, that's kinda sick, but hey, it's The Vampire Diaries. :shrugs:

Well, here we go! First episode back. Like I said at the top, it wasn't an OMG!Awesome episode (and, yeah, truly only thirty seconds of Damon Salvatore screentime will do that for ya!) , but I did really like it. I thought it was a strong outing and I'm curious to see where we're going and I don't think you can really ask more from a series premiere. Plus, as a Damon/Elena fan, I was happy. WHEE! My show is back! :)
 
 
 
ancholiaancholia on October 3rd, 2014 03:23 pm (UTC)
It was a nice episode. To be honest, I wasn't sure I would ever watch it because I feel like the show has become less original (no pun here) and surprising, particularly the last two season.
That said, I thought this episode was very moving: Elena completely losing it (BTW, Nina Dobrev really impressed me), Alaric poor Alaric trying to adjust, Caroline's voicemail to Stefan...
Of course, I loved, loved the last scene with Bonnie and Damon. I'm so intrigued! Like you said, Damon must be human but they both know about vampire and that Damon used to be one. The shirt was hilarious, after years of seeing Damon wearing only black ord dark colors and absolutely no pattern. More seriously, I would like to know what Bonnie was reading. She seemed engrossed in it, like she researching or studying, I don't know.

Anyway, I thought it was a good first season opener. Everyone is more or less wrecked and it's going to be interesting to watch how the characters will pull through (if they do, I think Tyler is going to trigger the werewolf curse again). The only thing I didn't like was Paul's acting. I think he wanted to convey how disconnected Stefan has become but to me it just sounded flat.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 5th, 2014 05:05 am (UTC)
It was a nice episode. To be honest, I wasn't sure I would ever watch it because I feel like the show has become less original (no pun here) and surprising, particularly the last two season.

Aww, that's sad to hear. I've missed your commenting in my posts. I know that the show isn't as shocking/surprising as it was before, but for me that was never the big draw. It's been about Damon/Elena (which I think is still absolutely top-notch) and the characters/relationships. And those remain wonderfully drawn and so well done, so I'm happy.

That said, I thought this episode was very moving: Elena completely losing it (BTW, Nina Dobrev really impressed me), Alaric poor Alaric trying to adjust, Caroline's voicemail to Stefan...

Agreed completely.

Of course, I loved, loved the last scene with Bonnie and Damon.

I loved that in just those 30 seconds, Damon was SOOO Damon and it really did kinda show what was missing from the rest of the episode. Even with hallucination-Damon.

I'm so intrigued!

Yup, what/where/huh?!?!?

Like you said, Damon must be human but they both know about vampire and that Damon used to be one.

I'm still not 100% he is human, but I do think he is. But yeah, obviously they know about vampires, the whipped cream fangs (classic!) show that.

The shirt was hilarious, after years of seeing Damon wearing only black or dark colors and absolutely no pattern.

LOVED the lumberjack shirt.

More seriously, I would like to know what Bonnie was reading. She seemed engrossed in it, like she researching or studying, I don't know.

Looked like a newspaper to me. Hmm....

I think Tyler is going to trigger the werewolf curse again

Me too. Maybe this time he'll die!??!?!?!? Please, yes!

The only thing I didn't like was Paul's acting. I think he wanted to convey how disconnected Stefan has become but to me it just sounded flat.

I didn't want to start out the season dogging Paul, but, erm, yeah. Yeah.
Dianabutterfly on October 3rd, 2014 03:50 pm (UTC)
Basically, I agree with everything, but hopefully will have more extensive thoughts when I get back from work.

re: Elena choosing to be a doctor. I didn't get the impression that she was feeling super-passionate about it in this episode, it was more that it's both a mental default and very convenient for her situation. She's never really shown any specific interest for any career, not that I can remember anyway. And, as a vampire, she'll be able to change careers as often as she likes, so it's not a life-long choice the way it might be if she were still human and committing herself to all those years of medical school.

I really wanted to hug so many people this episode.
Arabian: Damon01arabian on October 5th, 2014 05:16 am (UTC)
Basically, I agree with everything, but hopefully will have more extensive thoughts when I get back from work.

Cool, and I look forward to extensive thoughts. :)

re: Elena choosing to be a doctor. I didn't get the impression that she was feeling super-passionate about it in this episode, it was more that it's both a mental default and very convenient for her situation.

I wasn't trying to imply that I thought she was super-passionate, I just thought it came out of nowhere. I don't know, maybe if there had been a line, something like, 'I'd never really thought about it before, but it makes sense now...." for the reaons you list. It just felt like, well, it came out of nowhere. It was the only note in the episode that made me go, 'huh?'

I really wanted to hug so many people this episode.

I know, right? Especially Damon looking all hot in that lumberjack shirt with the white tee underneath being all domestic! Mmhmm, yummy!

Oh, wait, you meant in sympathy for their loss? Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, that too. Uh huh.
Mattghidorah15 on October 3rd, 2014 05:55 pm (UTC)
I liked this episode. I know, big shock, right? I really don't have much, if anything, to add to what you've said. Maybe just a couple of points:

- I'm utterly done with Tyler. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about what he's going through. If he got gacked next episode, I would rejoice - no more valuable screentime wasted on him.

- Liv? Still boring and kinda bitchy to me. Luke? Eh, not as boring - he does seem to genuinely care about Elena. Their coven? Actually, I'm interested. Might those demanding, self-righteous witches (because aside from Bonnie, is there any other kind? I think not) become full-blown antagonists down the line? This show probably wouldn't be hurt by some solid conflict.

- The final scene...aside from it being a Mind Screw, it was good to see the real Damon again, not to forget Bonnie - heck, that was her only scene this episode. I didn't get a couple vibe from them, so I don't think we need to worry. *shrug* I could be wrong, but I really didn't.

- Yeah, if this episode and the preview for the next are any clue, the days of Caroline burying her head in the sand about Damon and Elena being true love are over. Hallelujah!

- No Enzo this episode. Hm. Honestly, I'd rather see him than Tyler, even if his actor isn't much better. I wonder what he's been doing?

...so yeah, not much to add, except: Bring on the next episode!

Edited at 2014-10-03 05:58 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Bonnie03arabian on October 5th, 2014 05:37 am (UTC)
- I'm utterly done with Tyler. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about what he's going through. If he got gacked next episode, I would rejoice - no more valuable screentime wasted on him.

I can't say that I'd rejoice if he died now (I'm feeling nice), but I wouldn't mind. I figure we're stuck with the HC-H, so I'm looking for the positive points in his presence and Trevino and Davis have chemistry. Alaric almost always makes things better and I did find Liv and Tyler cute. Would I prefer him gone? Yes. Will he ever be gone? Clearly not. Thus, my human-cockroach hybrid nickname. :)

Liv? Still boring and kinda bitchy to me.

But so much more appealing to me with the toned down make-up and hair. I don't know why. And she really did help bring most of the gang back in "Home." I appreciate that.

Luke? Eh, not as boring - he does seem to genuinely care about Elena.

I ♥ Luke.

Their coven? Actually, I'm interested. Might those demanding, self-righteous witches (because aside from Bonnie, is there any other kind? I think not) become full-blown antagonists down the line? This show probably wouldn't be hurt by some solid conflict.

I've always been leery of the witches. Always.

The final scene...aside from it being a Mind Screw, it was good to see the real Damon again

Yup, and he was SOOO Damon-y!

not to forget Bonnie - heck, that was her only scene this episode.

And she was so purty!

I didn't get a couple vibe from them, so I don't think we need to worry. *shrug* I could be wrong, but I really didn't.

I didn't either, but I worry!

Yeah, if this episode and the preview for the next are any clue, the days of Caroline burying her head in the sand about Damon and Elena being true love are over. Hallelujah!

I agree about Caroline, I think she FINALLY got it. But, hey, just a note about previews. I added something to my post after some comments that I'm going to do with my posts from now on (well, I did it with this post, but didn't put this note there). When it comes to this show, I realized that we just don't know what anything means. We're getting 20-30 seconds out of 42-44 minutes of an episode and it's not even necessarily 20-30 seconds that is going to be in the finished product that makes it onto the air. So, I'm not going to speculate based on the promos anymore because those promos can mean anything. We just don't know. Any speculation I do in my posts is going to be based purely on episodes that have aired from now.

So basically, I'm just not going to speculate or reference anything having to do with the previews because, yeah, with TVD, you never know!

No Enzo this episode. Hm. Honestly, I'd rather see him than Tyler, even if his actor isn't much better.

Agreed, well, erm, I think he's a tad bit better than Trevino.

I wonder what he's been doing?

Me too!

...so yeah, not much to add, except: Bring on the next episode!

WHEE!!!
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serpentinesoulserpentinesoul on October 3rd, 2014 07:26 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad that the new season has started because it means I get to read your AWESOME post-ep write-ups again :D

Seriously, stumbling upon your LJ was such a happy surprise.

After I watched this ep two things really struck me that you haven't mentioned yet:

1) Elena asking Ric to make her forget loving Damon is something we've seen before. This is EXACTLY what Stefan asked Rebekah to do for him in "After School Special." Because it hurt too much. And she *refused* to do it. I'm not so sure we'll see the same outcome here.

2) Context clues + that last scene.

- The music played in that last scene. I've noticed that TVD usually sticks to using music that's current - new artists and such - unless there is a very specific reason not to do so. That song playing while Damon makes Bonnie breakfast? That was Collective Soul's "Shine."

And oh, yeah it mentions heaven and light etc., but there are lots of MUCH more current songs that do that, too.

- Is it just me or did that still look a mighty lot like the boarding house? Leaded windows, large fireplace - did we just finally catch a glimpse of the kitchen after all these years?

Could be a parallel universe, could be that they have amnesia and are staying at the house and no one has thought to go over there because it's magically off-limits...who knows.

But my most prominent theory, stemming from a song that was popular in 1994, and coupled with the fact that Damon was channeling his inner Eddie Vedder/Kurt Cobain grunge look, and that they were reading a freaking PRINTED NEWSPAPER, is that the question of Damon & Bonnie's whereabouts isn't just *Where* - it just might also be *WHEN.*

But WHY that matters is anyone's guess - I haven't figured that part out yet :)
Arabian: Elena08arabian on October 5th, 2014 06:11 am (UTC)
I'm so glad that the new season has started because it means I get to read your AWESOME post-ep write-ups again :D

Thank you.

Seriously, stumbling upon your LJ was such a happy surprise.

Glad to see you here and commenting. :)

1) Elena asking Ric to make her forget loving Damon is something we've seen before. This is EXACTLY what Stefan asked Rebekah to do for him in "After School Special." Because it hurt too much. And she *refused* to do it. I'm not so sure we'll see the same outcome here.

I added a thought about this to my post because I did think about it during the episode but forgot to write it up in the post. Yes, Rebekah had offered to compel Stefan to forget loving Elena and he'd agreed which is similar to Elena asking Alaric to compel her to forget loving Damon. However, it really couldn't be more different. Elena was still there, she wasn't gone. It wasn't about getting over an unassailable grief because Damon had died, it was because Stefan was having a pity party of one because he'd been dumped (because, let's get real, after he'd left his girlfriend for four months—admittedly to save his brother—he then chose revenge over her).

And as I said in the post already, I do think it's pretty likely that Alaric will do it for Elena because they think that Damon is gone-gone and he doesn't want Elena miserable for eternity.

2) Context clues + that last scene.

- The music played in that last scene. I've noticed that TVD usually sticks to using music that's current - new artists and such - unless there is a very specific reason not to do so. That song playing while Damon makes Bonnie breakfast? That was Collective Soul's "Shine."


I didn't recognize the song, LOL!

- Is it just me or did that still look a mighty lot like the boarding house? Leaded windows, large fireplace - did we just finally catch a glimpse of the kitchen after all these years?

That honestly didn't strike me at all. Could be though. I always imagined their kitchen would be much wider, a lot more open space, personally.

But my most prominent theory, stemming from a song that was popular in 1994, and coupled with the fact that Damon was channeling his inner Eddie Vedder/Kurt Cobain grunge look, and that they were reading a freaking PRINTED NEWSPAPER, is that the question of Damon & Bonnie's whereabouts isn't just *Where* - it just might also be *WHEN.*

Well, I did see the extended preview which showed them looking at the newspaper with 1994 date, so yeah, that's it. But once you see that newspaper with the date, it does make it obvious all of those things in the final scene took place in 1994. Hopefully we find out next week what's up with the WHEN! (and the WHY!!!)

Oh, just so you know, I didn't mention any of this in my post because I did decide something new this season but I forgot to wrote a note about it until after most of these comments (including yours) were written. (It's up there now.) I'm not going to speculate or talk about anything that is shown in the promos/previews in my episode posts. When it comes to this show, I realized that we just don't know what anything means. We're getting 20-30 seconds out of 42-44 minutes of an episode and it's not even necessarily 20-30 seconds that is going to be in the finished product that makes it onto the air. So, I'm not going to speculate based on the promos anymore because those promos can mean anything. We just don't know. Any speculation I do in my posts is going to be based purely on episodes that have aired from now.

So basically, I'm just not going to speculate or reference anything having to do with the previews because, yeah, with TVD, you never know!

Anyhoo, thanks for popping in! It's so nice having you around. :D
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tams71tams71 on October 3rd, 2014 07:28 pm (UTC)
Another great post with some great thoughts Jen!

Like you I thought the season premiere was good, not mind-blowing awesome or OMG, but it was a good episode. I have to give major kudos to Nina because she did some great work! Elena's emotions were all over the place and I think she nailed every one of them perfectly. Ian did a great job as well, it can't be easy trying to play the role of someone's subconscious when they're high on witchy herbs and hallucinating. LOL :)

The Damon/Elena scenes, especially Elena's attempt to say "goodbye" and then Damon kneeling next to her as she breaks down. CRUSHING. I knew Damon would still be there when Elena opened her eyes. You can't will love and anguish away even if it's suffocating. You do your best to keep moving, but the love and anguish will always be with you. In line with that, the whole Alaric compelling away Elena's love for Damon and memories of him is a cop out in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I like that the writers are showing the depth of Elena's love for Damon by showing that she's willing to go to those lengths because she feels she can't go on without him. It's just too easy. I know that Alaric can always "uncompel" her, but I still hope they don't take that route. My hope is that Alaric realizes through the process of revisiting Damon and Elena's relationship through Elena's eyes, that taking away her love for Damon will only hurt Elena in the end. My Alaric/Damon bromance loving heart also wants to believe that Alaric would never do something like that because Damon is his friend and regardless of where Damon is, Alaric would feel as if he betrayed his friend.

Alaric is back! Woo Hoo! Oh how I missed him! Oh how I missed Matt Davis! I loved watching him trying to navigate being back from the dead while being one of the undead; a flask of blood, a travel mug of blood, realizing he has no game with the ladies. So funny! If only Damon had been there in that moment. That would have been hilarious!

Of course Stefan gave up on finding a way to bring Damon back. I wasn't surprised. Damon is the one who steps up to the plate and gets things done. Damon is the one who devises plans and puts them into motion. Not Stefan. I did think prior to watching the episode that Stefan might put some effort into trying to find a way to bring Damon back because of his reaction in the finale, but as soon as his first scene aired I realized that at this point in time Stefan is all about separating himself from the situation and from anyone who reminds him of it. ETA: After a re-watch I'm revising my original thoughts on Stefan. I still feel that without Damon to devise a plan and lead the charge, Stefan is lost. Let's face it, Damon is the leader of the group and gets things done. Stefan has never played that role and has no idea what to do. I don't think he's resigned himself to the fact that Damon is gone forever. I have a nagging feeling that he hasn't just been working on cars and getting his groove on while he's been MIA. Maybe, just maybe there's more to what's going on with him than meets the eye. Just a thought.

I knew that Damon and Bonnie would probably appear towards the end of the episode. The writers weren't going to leave viewers hanging without teasing us a little bit as to where Damon and Bonnie are or what they might be up to. I don't think they're in some version of an afterlife. I'm thinking Damon and Bonnie are in some sort of alternate/parallel/transitional universe. Possibly Mystic Falls. Possibly somewhere else entirely. I'm also not 100% sure that Damon is human and Bonnie is no longer a supernatural being either. I can't explain why I think that's what's going on, it's just the feeling that I'm getting.

All in all it was a good episode. I hope the ratings were good seeing as how the CW did nothing to promote the show. Ugh!

Edited at 2014-10-04 01:21 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena42arabian on October 5th, 2014 06:35 am (UTC)
PART 1 --

Another great post with some great thoughts Jen!

Thank you, m'dear. :)

Like you I thought the season premiere was good, not mind-blowing awesome or OMG, but it was a good episode. I have to give major kudos to Nina because she did some great work! Elena's emotions were all over the place and I think she nailed every one of them perfectly. Ian did a great job as well, it can't be easy trying to play the role of someone's subconscious when they're high on witchy herbs and hallucinating. LOL :)

Agreed, re: Nina, and definitely Ian. I didn't actually realize until the next night how good of a job he did because he wasn't actually really playing Damon throughout most of his scenes, but rather just a shadow of Damon and that wasn't quite clear until that final scene.

The Damon/Elena scenes, especially Elena's attempt to say "goodbye" and then Damon kneeling next to her as she breaks down. CRUSHING. I knew Damon would still be there when Elena opened her eyes.

But you know HOW GOOD this show is? I thought he wouldn't. And you know why? Because I'd been watching another show (and I can't even remember which right now) and it's a really, really good show where a character was talking to another and they did the camera thing where the camera tightened on person A and you just KNEW that when the camera pulled back that person B would be gone because that ALWAYS happens. ALWAYS. And of course that's exactly what happens because there's such a failure of imagination on television (even really, really good television) because the tricks "work." So when Elena closed her eyes and the camera tightened on her, I did think that he would be gone because TV 101 dictates that. That's what we as viewers have been trained to expect. But it didn't happen because TVD is better than that. They rarely do the tricks. The Vampire Diaries is so damn underrated it pisses me off.

You can't will love and anguish away even if it's suffocating.

And yet on most TV shows, he would have been gone because you can do that. I repeat, The Vampire Diaries is so damn underrated it pisses me off.

In line with that, the whole Alaric compelling away Elena's love for Damon and memories of him is a cop out in my opinion.

Right, it's wrong. But I love that she's asking it. Because Elena is not perfect. And she's suffered more loss than most people will in their lives in only 19 years, so yeah, she's gonna ask for the cop-out this time. I can understand that. I get that. She lost her mother, her father (which she blames herself for). Her aunt, her biological father, her biological mother. Her guardian/stepfather. Her brother. (Even if he came back, he still died and she mourned him for months.) Her best friend. (Even if she came back, she still died and she mourned her for months.) She now has lost her best friend again. And now the love of her life. And she's 19. Not to mention all of the death that has followed in her wake since she was 17 years old.

TBC
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Florencia: DE (Just Happy to See You)florencia7 on October 3rd, 2014 08:41 pm (UTC)
part I
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Your wonderful commentaries are back!!!!!!!!!! ♥ YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

And I'm sorry, but I'm feeling so hyper about this idea that I have to start (and probably end lol) with it: that if Alaric will really erase Elena's memory of her love for Damon AND Damon currently doesn't remember who he is (the shirt kind of implies that LOL), then there's only one reason why they're doing it and where it will all lead. It's going to lead to DAMON & ELENA MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥ That's why we had Elena quote their 3x22 meeting!!!! THEY ARE GOING TO FALL IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER ALL OVER AGAIN!!! ♥ I so so so so so hope that's what's going to happen! This would, among other things, so beautifully invalidate the whole sirebond storyline! *dreamy sigh*

“But, yeah, sure, Elena, go for it, be a doctor. If she can handle it, cool. It does fit her personality.” - While it does fit Elena's personality, I was also getting some very meaningfully pragmatic vibes from her decision. She even mentioned that in one of the scenes, that now she was going to have an easy access to blood.

”Oh, and alternately, what a horrible decision it is that Jeremy is NOT with Elena and Alaric right now?” - I was surprised that they did that, however I think they wanted to avoid what you've mentioned exactly: the eternal internal little cliché of Elena always putting herself together, holding it together for Jeremy's sake. They wanted to show that there was NOTHING that could keep Elena from falling apart at this point, not even taking care of Jeremy.

”I also loved the callback to their first meeting.” - Like I said, IT WAS THERE FOR A REASON ♥

” And there must be some reason they're setting it in motion beyond Alaric wants Elena to not suffer throughout eternity because she's so desperately, madly in love with Damon” - THERE IS A REASON!!! ♥ THIRD TIMES' A CHARM!!! (OK, I'm going to stop with the capslock now, sorry lol)

”I felt a ping when Alaric said that he didn't like anything about being a vampire” - Hm... If Damon really is human, maybe they will have them do some kind of a magical switch by the end of the season and Alaric will become human while Damon will become a vampire?

”Which is Stefan is Damon's brother, loves him desperately and should be the last person to give up hope and if Stefan has given up, well, that should mean there is simply no hope left.” - I think you're totally right about this!

”Yeah, oh, Stefan, you gave up, boo. You gave up. I'm surprised, but I really, really shouldn't be.” - Ohhhhhhhhhhhh I actually really didn't get that impression like, at all! I think that's what they wanted us to *think* for now, but that's not what Stefan did/is doing. He IS up to something. It totally seemed to me that he was doing/hiding something.

”Where exactly in the world are Damon and Bonnie?” - Have you seen the extended promo for 6x02? They give a very specific (AND confusing! Lol) hint in it as to, maybe not WHERE they are but... WHEN ;)

”Damon sure seems human to me.” - lol Yes, I think that was THE most popular fan theory out there, so I'm going to be shocked if it turns out we were wrong, after all. (Because well, technically, he can be a vampire who happens to like pancakes ;)

Edited at 2014-10-03 08:42 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon16arabian on October 5th, 2014 05:52 am (UTC)
Re: part I
I'm feeling so hyper about this idea that I have to start (and probably end lol) with it: DAMON & ELENA MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥ That's why we had Elena quote their 3x22 meeting!!!! THEY ARE GOING TO FALL IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER ALL OVER AGAIN!!! ♥

I have to admit that I have wondered if we are going to see Damon and Elena fall in love again from scratch and that's possibly the point of this, but again, if Alaric can just uncompel her memories, once Damon is back wouldn't he do that? So that's where I'm thrown. We'll see.

While it does fit Elena's personality, I was also getting some very meaningfully pragmatic vibes from her decision. She even mentioned that in one of the scenes, that now she was going to have an easy access to blood.

I get that, but as I said above to butterfly, I just thought it came out of nowhere. Maybe if there had been a line like, 'I'd never really thought about it before, but it makes sense now...." It just felt like, well, it came out of nowhere. It was the only note in the episode that made me go, 'huh?'

[Re: Jeremy not with Elena.] I was surprised that they did that, however I think they wanted to avoid what you've mentioned exactly.

Yup, and it makes sense that Jeremy wouldn't be with Elena because he's being a pissed-off, stubborn, emo ass who's given up. It's not like Elena or Ric can come and drag Jeremy to where they are. They can't do anything about it.

Hm... If Damon really is human, maybe they will have them do some kind of a magical switch by the end of the season and Alaric will become human while Damon will become a vampire?

Unless, it's like I said in my "Home" post and Damon is a human and Elena will become a human those two will just be humans. That would certainly shock the hell out of viewers if it stayed that way.

”Yeah, oh, Stefan, you gave up, boo. You gave up. I'm surprised, but I really, really shouldn't be.” - Ohhhhhhhhhhhh I actually really didn't get that impression like, at all! I think that's what they wanted us to *think* for now, but that's not what Stefan did/is doing. He IS up to something. It totally seemed to me that he was doing/hiding something.

Oh, I think Stefan's given up. He wouldn't have destroyed his phone. He wouldn't have looked the way he did otherwise. Paul wouldn't have played all of his scenes as if Stefan was basically dead inside. Stefan has completely shut down. He doesn't care about anything. He's just gone. He wasn't hiding anything.

ETA: Or not, someone else rewatched the episode and had similar thoughts that Stefan was maybe working on something. I admit I haven't rewatched the whole episode yet so I'll rewatch the Stefan scenes at least and see if I notice anything. You guys could be onto something. It's not like Paul's scintillating acting kept me riveted during his scenes and I was distracted by his ugly-ass tattoo in that one scene, so...

Have you seen the extended promo for 6x02? They give a very specific (AND confusing! Lol) hint in it as to, maybe not WHERE they are but... WHEN ;)

I did, BUT, I have a new policy about promo/previews now. LOL! I know, I know. I should have a bullet list for you guys. I added something to my post after some comments that I'm going to do with my posts from now on (well, I did it with this post, but not originally). When it comes to this show, I realized that we just don't know what anything means. We're getting 20-30 seconds out of 42-44 minutes of an episode and it's not even necessarily 20-30 seconds that is going to be in the finished product that makes it onto the air. So, I'm not going to speculate based on the promos anymore because those promos can mean anything. We just don't know. Any speculation I do in my posts is going to be based purely on episodes that have aired from now.

So basically, I'm just not going to speculate or reference anything having to do with the previews because, yeah, with TVD, you never know!

I think that was THE most popular fan theory out there, so I'm going to be shocked if it turns out we were wrong, after all.

I DID base mine on some good evidence from the finale though!

Edited at 2014-10-05 06:30 am (UTC)
Florenciaflorencia7 on October 3rd, 2014 08:41 pm (UTC)
part II
”whipped cream on the pancakes looked like they were supposed to be fangs which would mean he still is a vampire” - My impression actually was that it was just a wink at us (from the writers), not so much a proof of anything.

”But, yeah, I'm sure that if we are in store for amnesiac!Damon and amnesiac!Bonnie that is what it will be, *sigh*” - OH Don't worry! I mean, not that I have any secret info on the subject lol But this idea didn't even cross my mind! They wouldn't do that. It'd just emotionally mess things up SO MUCH. I can't see that happening. Because what would be a solution to that? Having Damon and Bonnie fall out of love with each other and fall back in love with Elena and Jeremy?? That'd be the most ridiculous storyline ever.

Random note: I counted the blueberries on the pancake and... I hope it doesn't mean that the reunion will happen as late as in 6x10 *sigh* LOL

”Look at the transition between the scenes above.” - That's an interesting point! I did notice that, but I kind of thought they were just there to, IDK, create the atmosphere, so to speak?

”Well, unless that has changed with him coming back from the Other Side. But I'm not sure why it would have.” - Ohhhh I forgot about that! You're right. And... OMG!!! This just made me think – in relation to what I said earlier about Damon and Alaric maybe switching their vampire/human forms. IF that happened... wouldn't it mean that Damon's life would be tied to Elena's??? Their immortal lives would be literally tied together!!! How impossibly romantic would that be? ;D

And like I promised, let me repeat again, DAMON & ELENA ARE GOING TO MEET THE THIRD TIME FOR THE FIRST TIME AND FALL IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER ALL OVER AGAIN ♥

Thank you so much for your amazing post!!!!!!!!! I loved reading it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):)
Arabian: Damon & Elena01arabian on October 5th, 2014 06:01 am (UTC)
Re: part II
”whipped cream on the pancakes looked like they were supposed to be fangs which would mean he still is a vampire” - My impression actually was that it was just a wink at us (from the writers), not so much a proof of anything.

Oh, I didn't think it was a wink to us at all. The show doesn't do meta like that like, ever! And why would they in this case? Damon does shit like that all the time. It's sooooo in character for him to do something like that to Bonnie, and they even had dialogue referencing it.

”But, yeah, I'm sure that if we are in store for amnesiac!Damon and amnesiac!Bonnie that is what it will be, *sigh*” - OH Don't worry! I mean, not that I have any secret info on the subject lol But this idea didn't even cross my mind! They wouldn't do that. It'd just emotionally mess things up SO MUCH. I can't see that happening. Because what would be a solution to that? Having Damon and Bonnie fall out of love with each other and fall back in love with Elena and Jeremy?? That'd be the most ridiculous storyline ever.

OK, I'm glad that everyone else seems to think the idea is crazy. I'm just worried. That STUPID-ASS CW promo poster released just PISSED ME OFF SOOOOOOO MUCH and certainly does help my worry. I despite the CW promotion department beyond words! Arrrggghhhhhhh! I mean, I didn't get a romantic vibe at all with them, and I REALLY don't want it because I love their relationship as is, so I hope I'm just being paranoid.

Random note: I counted the blueberries on the pancake and... I hope it doesn't mean that the reunion will happen as late as in 6x10 *sigh* LOL

Erm, I think that's being a little uhm, yeah, no. I don't think that means anything.

”Look at the transition between the scenes above.” - That's an interesting point! I did notice that, but I kind of thought they were just there to, IDK, create the atmosphere, so to speak?

Yeah, but they've NEVER used white before except in the finale. So I just thought it was interesting.

”Well, unless that has changed with him coming back from the Other Side. But I'm not sure why it would have.” - Ohhhh I forgot about that! You're right. And... OMG!!! This just made me think – in relation to what I said earlier about Damon and Alaric maybe switching their vampire/human forms. IF that happened... wouldn't it mean that Damon's life would be tied to Elena's??? Their immortal lives would be literally tied together!!! How impossibly romantic would that be? ;D

I don't see how it could possibly be switched though. I just don't see it. Sorry.

And like I promised, let me repeat again, DAMON & ELENA ARE GOING TO MEET THE THIRD TIME FOR THE FIRST TIME AND FALL IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER ALL OVER AGAIN ♥

I'd like to see it happen, but I keep going back to--once Damon returns, why wouldn't Alaric just uncompel her forgetting falling in love with Damon if he does even do it? I mean, right? So yeah. I don't know. Honestly, I'd be cool with seeing Elena fighting to make Damon remember their love, Elena working to get Damon be with her. Spend episode after episode convincing him they belong together, seducing him, doing all kinds of things to remind him, jog his memory, etc. We spent three years watching her be all about Stefan and having Damon pine painfully on the sidelines. Seeing Elena be all about Damon and working overtime to prove it would be pretty awesome!

Thank you so much for your amazing post!!!!!!!!! I loved reading it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):)

Back atcha!
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bangel_4ebangel_4e on October 4th, 2014 03:15 pm (UTC)
Hii :)
It's great to have these posts back!
I wanted to say many things but alas, I'm running VERY late so I'll just say I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID AHAHAHA

Yeah, I pretty much do. The Delena bits, Elena, Alaric, Stefan's attitude, etc. I like this episode and yeah...I'm excited for the next and for what this season's gonna bring and on the worst notes, Michael Trevino's really not the best actor around lol

Well, anyway...I hope I'll find time to elaborate my thoughts a bit more!

Arabian: Damon & Elena44arabian on October 5th, 2014 05:19 am (UTC)
It's great to have these posts back!

Hey long time no hear! Nice to see you back commenting! :)

I wanted to say many things but alas, I'm running VERY late so I'll just say I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID AHAHAHA

That works. :)

Yeah, I pretty much do. The Delena bits, Elena, Alaric, Stefan's attitude, etc. I like this episode and yeah...I'm excited for the next and for what this season's gonna bring and on the worst notes, Michael Trevino's really not the best actor around lol

That is pretty much what a season premiere should do, make you excited for what's next and that is definitely where it left us, so kudos! Yeah, oh, Trevino!

Well, anyway...I hope I'll find time to elaborate my thoughts a bit more!

I hope so too, and look forward to it! :)

Edited at 2014-10-07 02:35 am (UTC)
tj2013tj2013 on October 4th, 2014 07:45 pm (UTC)
Yes!!! My favorite show is back - and it's so great to read your thoughts again. I did a rewatch of Season 1 and 2 and I am hoping for your Season-1-posts, but for now I am just happy to talk about the current episode.

I liked the episode, I think it was necessary to see where all of our beloved characters are standing. And you nailed it down very accurately. Elena in denial, Stefan giving up, Caroline trying to fix it, Alaric is still not here, nor there. Mentally he is still in transition, kind of.

I will write more later, just wanted to let you know that I am sooooo happy to see your post.



Edited at 2014-10-04 07:54 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon13arabian on October 5th, 2014 05:12 am (UTC)
Yes!!! My favorite show is back

Can I tell you happy it is to read someone else call this their favorite show too? *sigh* so many people (even those who still watch it) just seem down on it. It gives me the sadz. :(

and it's so great to read your thoughts again.

Thank you. :)

I did a rewatch of Season 1 and 2 and I am hoping for your Season-1-posts, but for now I am just happy to talk about the current episode.

I DID jot my long notes down for season 01, all episodes, I DID! I just didn't convert them into posts yet because I then went on and did an entire series rewatch which ran through the middle of September and I didn't think I'd have time to finish converting the notes to posts before the show began. And I don't to have season 01 posts intermixed with season 06 posts because I am weird. Sooooooooooo, the plan is to work on them randomly during hiatuses and then when the summer hits, I will post them all 2 a week or so throughout the summer break! That is the plan anyway!

I liked the episode, I think it was necessary to see where all of our beloved characters are standing.

Agreed.

And you nailed it down very accurately. Elena in denial, Stefan giving up, Caroline trying to fix it, Alaric is still not here, nor there. Mentally he is still in transition, kind of.

Exactly. We needed to see where they were and how the pre-Damon folks (ie, Elena, Tyler, Caroline, Jeremy, Matt--well, not Matt) are a mess without Bonnie and the post-Damon folks (Stefan and Alaric) are a mess without Damon to basically ground them. It's likely Bonnie and Damon were the glue that held the various players together. But now they're both gone, so it's just... not good.

I will write more later

I look forward to it. :)
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jairem08jairem08 on October 5th, 2014 12:46 pm (UTC)
At last little time to sit and read you wonderful write up and put a little comment here.
Thank you for this. It is always a pleasure to read your thoughts.
So many thoughts in my head and so many feels. All the Damon/Elena moments were amazing.
Now I will be very anxious as to what will happen. I don’t even watch the after episode previews so other than the episode and comments here I know nothing else. All ideas and theories are interesting.
It is very clear that Damon was the glue of the group. After he’d gone they are all emotionally and physical scattered.
Amazing to see what he became to every one of them directly or indirectly. Even Caroline calls him a friend now.
I’m really curious what route will the show take now. So much can happen.
I do think that Ric will compel Elena. What if he does some kind of conditioned compulsion? For instance she will forget about loving Damon but he will say something like that if there will ever be Damon again (as far-fetched as it could seem to Ric) then she will remember… Not sure if possible at all.
Regarding Elena asking to forget and even though she couldn't understand why Stefan would take it back when Rebekah offered him to forget. I think her pain is too devastating. Just the way she talked to everyone about Damon - Caroline, Stefan and Ric. About the love she feels for him. When she sniffed the T-shirt I just... I do hope the Ric won't do it but I'm ready that he might. An I will trust the writers that they will work with it well.
My question is - is Damon human or vamp? Does he remember or not. Does he exist in the same or some other time? Are him and Bonnie couple... so many questions? Somehow I don't think they are couple. It would be very difficult for the show to make them un love each other and fall for Elena and Jeremy again (just like Florencia7 suggested) I don't think there is a time and it would be a cop out. I think. So I think Bonnie and Damon are friends or family in this alternate world/life/time. I think if they went romantic way with them there's not really pay of for us as the audience for this whole story.
If Ric compels her and Damon doesn't remember there can be story line of them falling in love all over again and then Damon somehow remembering and Elena being de compelled and they can recover all their past... Or he doesn't compel her and Damon doesn't remember and they can do something like the first meeting but in reverse. Elena meeting Damon and him not knowing her or his real name and her calling him Damon and him saying I'm....you know? There was such a good reference in the episode to this when Elena thanked him for all the love, passion and danger...he gave her. So so anxious. I just don't want them to have other love interests.... Oh if Damon does remember what is he doing to get back??? he seemed pretty content in the scene. But again we don’t know. That part was very short.
I did enjoy it the episode. All the Elena feels.
Arabian: Damon & Elena43arabian on October 6th, 2014 03:40 am (UTC)
Thank you for this. It is always a pleasure to read your thoughts.

Aww, thank you. :)

Now I will be very anxious as to what will happen. I don’t even watch the after episode previews so other than the episode and comments here I know nothing else. All ideas and theories are interesting.

Well, fear not, I will no longer even be addressing stuff that even happens in the after episode previews. The only stuff I'm covering is whatever was in the episode or in past episodes!

It is very clear that Damon was the glue of the group. After he’d gone they are all emotionally and physical scattered.

Well, I do think it was Damon and Bonnie, like I said. Because I think that Caroline, Matt and Jeremy (as much as the latter pains me to say) would have been OK with Damon gone, but losing Bonnie messed with their balance.

Even Caroline calls him a friend now.

I think/hope she's finally realized with him gone, it's time to put her grievances over the things he did when his dang switch was off in the past.

I’m really curious what route will the show take now. So much can happen.

Agreed, so excited to see what happens.

What if he does some kind of conditioned compulsion? For instance she will forget about loving Damon but he will say something like that if there will ever be Damon again (as far-fetched as it could seem to Ric) then she will remember… Not sure if possible at all.

I don't think so because I think that if Ric believed that there was even the slightest chance that Damon could come back he wouldn't do it.

My question is - is Damon human or vamp?

Good question. I still think he's human because of what happened on the Other Side when he couldn't lift that beam, but Ric could easily.

Does he remember or not.

I think he does because of the little whipped cream fangs, and he certainly was acting very Damon-like.

Does he exist in the same or some other time?

serpentinesoul had a theory she posted above:

"But my most prominent theory, stemming from a song that was popular in 1994, and coupled with the fact that Damon was channeling his inner Eddie Vedder/Kurt Cobain grunge look, and that they were reading a freaking PRINTED NEWSPAPER, is that the question of Damon & Bonnie's whereabouts isn't just *Where* - it just might also be *WHEN.*"

That was, I think, proven by the extended preview. But again, with this show, you never really know with this show and their previews, LOL!


Are him and Bonnie couple?

I don't think so because they acted like Damon and Bonnie to me, but I could see it possibly being done just because... sigh. On the other hand...

Somehow I don't think they are couple. It would be very difficult for the show to make them un love each other and fall for Elena and Jeremy again (just like Florencia7 suggested) I don't think there is a time

THIS!

So I think Bonnie and Damon are friends or family in this alternate world/life/time.

If there's some sort of memory loss involved, I really want them to adopted siblings, LOL!

If Ric compels her and Damon doesn't remember there can be story line of them falling in love all over again and then Damon somehow remembering and Elena being de compelled and they can recover all their past... Or he doesn't compel her and Damon doesn't remember and they can do something like the first meeting but in reverse. Elena meeting Damon and him not knowing her or his real name and her calling him Damon and him saying I'm....you know? There was such a good reference in the episode to this when Elena thanked him for all the love, passion and danger...he gave her. So so anxious. I just don't want them to have other love interests.... Oh if Damon does remember what is he doing to get back??? he seemed pretty content in the scene. But again we don’t know. That part was very short.

Right, right, right. There's just so much potential for a do-over of sorts of Damon and Elena re-falling-in-love. And that is what I think we're going to get somehow.
vanimyvanimy on October 5th, 2014 02:26 pm (UTC)
PART ONE

Hey! TVD is back and so am I. ;)

I really liked this episode, no OMG!moment but I really enjoyed the focus on Elena and how everyone was doing, ie badly. IDK how to explain it, I thought it felt more like 'early' TVD.

-Re : Elena wanting to become a doctor. I think it's high time we saw Elena thinking about herself and what she wants to do later on. I really liked the callback to her father in this career choice and it does fit her compassionate personality. I hope we see more of this.

-A lot of things happening in this episode echoed the Pilot to me. Jeremy going completely off track with Elena trying to help him but also coping with her grief herself without showing it to anyone. The difference here is the fact Jeremy and Elena were literally apart because of that Mystic Falls barrier. A huge difference too is the fact Elena has more people to lean on this time, she confided in Caroline and in Alaric.

-Speaking of Alaric, I was pleasantly surprised at how easily he blended in with everyone. It's like he never left. His presence feels right, I missed him. I may bitch about TVD's tendency to kill off and bring back too many people but I'm glad the writers brought him back.

-I'm not sure about Jo though. i think she's a stand in for Meredith and I liked Torrey De Vitto better than the actress that plays Jo. I'm still scarred from her character in Prison Break, can't stand the actress.

-Jeremy... My heart broke for him, it's funny how the Gilberts grieve the same way. Both of them eluded their issues and went headstraight to things that made them forget/escape reality.

-Stefan was useless all episode indeed. I also find it funny that both he and Elena grieved apart and how Damon's loss didn't bring them together at all. Another nail in the coffin of the Stefan/Elena ship, I'm afraid. Also, Elena's wish to forget Damon because losing him hurt too much didn't remind me of Stefan wanting to forget Elena AT ALL. It made me think of Elena making Jeremy forget the loss of Vicky, yeah and only passingly but not the Stefan/Elena stuff from season 4. As you said, Stefan wanting to forget Elena wasn't about him hurting too much, it was more about his ego and the fact she left him for his brother.

-Tyler and his anger issues... While I like the callback to season 1/2, I find myself caring so little about him that I simply didn't care at all.

-Liv and Luke surprisingly inspired more interest in me. I'm actually glad they're still sticking around. Tyler/Liv, not so much.

-Always glad to see Liz and Matt protecting the city. Me thinks we're going to be back to a new council of some sorts with the vigilante force going on in Mystic Falls.


Edited at 2014-10-05 02:33 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elena06arabian on October 6th, 2014 07:19 am (UTC)
PART 1 --

-Re : Elena wanting to become a doctor. I think it's high time we saw Elena thinking about herself and what she wants to do later on. I really liked the callback to her father in this career choice and it does fit her compassionate personality. I hope we see more of this.

I see what you're saying, but it just felt a little out of nowhere to me. I don't know, maybe if there had been a line, something like, 'I'd never really thought about it before, but it makes sense now...." It just felt like, well, it came out of nowhere. It was the only note in the episode that made me go, 'huh?' Mention her dad, finding out how his research could be tied into the supernatural elements, just something. I don't know. I mean, like I said, it can fit, but it just seemed too out of nowhere for me with no background from Elena when we do have her dad and Meredith, AND Stefan saying he wanted to be a doctor, but there's been no interest from Elena in the past about wanting it herself.

-A lot of things happening in this episode echoed the Pilot to me. Jeremy going completely off track with Elena trying to help him but also coping with her grief herself without showing it to anyone.

Yeah, I'm not sure why I didn't mention that. Especially the Jeremy aspect, but you're totally right.

Mu< The difference here is the fact Jeremy and Elena were literally apart because of that Mystic Falls barrier.</i>

Yup, and I really do think that's the biggest reason why Elena is as bad off as she is.

A huge difference too is the fact Elena has more people to lean on this time, she confided in Caroline and in Alaric.

I don't know because she had Caroline and Bonnie and Jenna before. I think it's just that she has and is used to loss more now sadly.

-Speaking of Alaric, I was pleasantly surprised at how easily he blended in with everyone. It's like he never left. His presence feels right, I missed him.

He was perfect.

I may bitch about TVD's tendency to kill off and bring back too many people

Well, as I talked about in my finale write-up, I do not agree with this at all because all supernatural shows do this, but on TVD more than just about every show ever, death matters so very much. It matters.

-I'm not sure about Jo though.

I am sure. Don't like the casting.

i think she's a stand in for Meredith and I liked Torrey De Vitto better than the actress that plays Jo.

Yup.

I'm still scarred from her character in Prison Break, can't stand the actress.

I actually have disliked Jodi Lyn O'Keefe in everything EXCEPT PB. I was surprised that I liked her in that role. I first saw her on soaps (Another World, I think.) and I've never liked her, but she worked for me on PB even though everyone else hated her. Not feeling her on this, and as I said above, she looks rough.

TBC
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vanimyvanimy on October 5th, 2014 02:27 pm (UTC)
PART TWO

-Caroline seemed even more lost than usual, I was surprised to see her like that and how for once she didn't try to do a lot of stuff like pom pom girl stuff or whatever to get her mind off everything, surprisingly Elena was trying to fill that role and Caroline was trying to fix everything that happened. Interesting.

-You're right when you say that we only had the shadow of Damon all episode. And yep, I also missed him and Bonnie. That ending was so WTF like, lol! I was like "What?" when I saw them at the end. IDK, they felt very couple-like at the end but that's probably me! I like Damon and Bonnie sharing onscreen time so I can't wait to find out what's the deal with them playing regular people at the end of the episode. Personally I got the feeling they were human somewhere far away from Mystic Falls and had forgotten who they were.

-Last but not least, Elena and Damon. They about killed me. Damon's presence was very much ghost-like so it didn't feel like the usual Damon and Elena. I also loved Elena grieving that way and then trying to let go when she realized she was going out of control then unable to move on and her crying at the end. Nina did play it very well, I could feel her control slipping away as the episode went on and then the resignation at the end of the episode. I'm not sure Alaric is going to accept her request, he's too wise for that. Compelling makes the memories go away, not the feelings. So that hole Elena feels right now is going to stay in her no matter what. I can see Damon forgetting her if he's been brought back human and all but not the other way around.

Watch the show prove me wrong. :P

About everything else, I just want to say THIS. You said it better than I could, so yeah, THIS.
Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on October 6th, 2014 07:29 am (UTC)
-Caroline seemed even more lost than usual, I was surprised to see her like that and how for once she didn't try to do a lot of stuff like pom pom girl stuff or whatever to get her mind off everything, surprisingly Elena was trying to fill that role and Caroline was trying to fix everything that happened. Interesting.

I think it shows how much Caroline depends on her support team which clearly is Bonnie, Stefan and of course her mom. Yes, she can see her mom, but she's still being kept from her fully and that's got to have a mental, emotional effect on her. Remember, Caroline is very OCD and likes to be able to control things and everything is completely out of her control right now.

-You're right when you say that we only had the shadow of Damon all episode. And yep, I also missed him and Bonnie.

YUP!

That ending was so WTF like, lol! I was like "What?" when I saw them at the end. IDK, they felt very couple-like at the end but that's probably me!

You're the only one in my comments who's said so, so I hope so. I didn't they were, I thought they were pretty Damon/Bonnie like, but just a Damon/Bonnie who've gotten comfortable with each other over the last 4 months. I mean he was doing something that she had told him EVERY SINGLE DAY annoys her and then he with a smart-ass grin told her, 'yeah, and I do it every day anyway.' Only a real dickweek of a boyfriend is going to do that, and a pathetic girlfriend is going to just smile in reaction. But Damon being Damon to Bonnie being Bonnie are going to do that.

I like Damon and Bonnie sharing onscreen time so I can't wait to find out what's the deal with them playing regular people at the end of the episode. Personally I got the feeling they were human somewhere far away from Mystic Falls and had forgotten who they were.

I thought that until I realized those were whipped cream FANGS. Those were FANGS, as in VAMPIRE FANGS on the pancakes. I think they know who they are, at least right now. We'll see. But I'm still thinking that Damon is human. I can't get past Damon unable to lift that beam even with both arms in "Home" off of Liz, but then Ric comes over and easily lifts it with one arm.

-Last but not least, Elena and Damon. They about killed me.

Yeah.

Damon's presence was very much ghost-like so it didn't feel like the usual Damon and Elena.

Yup.

I'm not sure Alaric is going to accept her request, he's too wise for that. Compelling makes the memories go away, not the feelings. So that hole Elena feels right now is going to stay in her no matter what. I can see Damon forgetting her if he's been brought back human and all but not the other way around.

Watch the show prove me wrong. :P


I think he's going to compel her because as far as we know Jeremy may have only told Damon that about the compulsion only taking away memories, not the feelings, so Elena/Ric wouldn't know that. I think that Ric is probably going to do it because he believes that Damon is gone for good and he wouldn't want Elena to suffer so miserably for however long. What I think regardless of how they play it out is going to happen this season is that we are going to see a do-over of sorts of Damon and Elena re-falling-in-love. Somehow, someway, she doesn't remember and he doesn't remember, but that's somehow, someway what we are going to get to watch. I think.

About everything else, I just want to say THIS. You said it better than I could, so yeah, THIS.

Thank you, and yeah. I do still love this show. ♥
Bogwitchbogwitch on October 6th, 2014 06:45 pm (UTC)
Thank any chosen deities that the eternal summer of 2014 is over; I thought it would never end! (The only problem with that is the inexorable march towards Christmas is upon us!)

No, it wasn't an amazing episde, probably the weakest of the premieres, but it was solid; just the start of a story. I agree that Damon's absence is probably a lot of why I wasn't totally engaged and the minute or so of the actual him wasn't enough! That said, Elena's heartbreak did make my eyes a little misty this time.

I don't have a lot to stay that isn't spoilery, so I'll just say Tyler ought just get vamped again and have done with it. Hopefully then he can eat Matt.

PS, I told you Elena would be sobbing in that crypt!
Arabian: Damon & Elena44arabian on October 7th, 2014 02:33 am (UTC)
Oh, I agree it was the weakest of the premieres at all. I'd put it above the Pilot, "The Birthday" and "Growing Pains" easily. Very easily. And not too far off from "I Know What You Did Last Summer." Damon-Damon was absent, but we did get a version of Damon and it's not the one in Elena's head wasn't a legitimate Damon. He was sweet (which is how he is with Elena), he was snarky (which is Damon), he pointed out hard truths to her (which Damon does). So that was nice seeing that Elena does see and appreciate the real Damon

I've just accepted that I'm stuck with Tyler and finding the silver lining in his story now. You should probably do the same with Matt.

Edited at 2014-10-07 02:36 am (UTC)
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Alisha: DC Joey/Pacey Comfortkalishaka on November 17th, 2014 05:19 am (UTC)
I enjoyed this episode. (I couldn't resist diving in...I tried.) Starting a new season after so completely changing the game can be rough, and so it suffered a bit from what I like to call pilot-lag, the way the story drags a bit when introducing a lot of new elements while showing where the characters are all at. Necessary, of course, but it was still an interesting ride. (I was going to say fun, but Elena broke my heart, so interesting it is).

I shall try to keep this less wordy so bullet list of thoughts:

- Liv and Tyler. Tyler and Liv. I am so here for it!

- Tyler having a plot line I am actually interested in! Like I really do enjoy that they are taking Tyler back to his roots as a character. I think they skipped so much of that potential journey and lost a lot in the process and I love that they found a way to potentially rehash it.

- LumberJack!Damon and Bonnie!FangedPancakes! My new favorite duo. I am so excited for their future.

- Elena! I don't really have anything more to say about her interactions and feelings about Damon. You spoke for me already. But I just want to note, I didn't think I'd cry this episode, and I didn't really, but there was a moment, where Elena was talking about her grief with Alaric, and she talks about how she knows grief and she knows you don't really move on. And that was just so real. So incredibly real to how grief works. Because that time heals all wounds thing is just not even close to accurate. It is just that over time you think about it less often. But the pain never stops being real. You never stop missing them. And as she says throughout the episode, she knows grief, she knows it better than anyone on this show. It just made me ache. And it was just a lovely writing moment.

- Jeremy....the only person who can give Elena competition on that grief thing. I don't even know how he functions at this point.

- Matt! I am intrigued. I like it! I like the planning.

- Caroline. She's so desperate to have something solid in her life, and everything is gone. Every single person in her life is dead, lost in grief, or behind a barrier she cannot cross. And Caroline, more than anything, has always been a people person. Depriving her of that...the sheer portrait of isolation that this season has opened up with...it's a wonderful theme but it is breaking my heart.

- Stefan....I'm actually a little annoyed. I mean, not completely, because honestly with Damon dead, and Elena completely wrapped up in her own grief, the only person Stefan has is Caroline and he is absolutely running from that. Because his brother was happy. His brother deserved to be alive. And Stefan ran....because Stefan always runs. So while completely in character, I still want to kick him.

- Alaric. I saved him for last because he was my favorite part of this episode and I have missed him soooo much. Also, thank god they decided to bring him back because someone has to control the children and keep them on track with Damon gone. The way he whispered to Elena and called her out on the blood drinking. I loved that use of the vampire skills, it was wonderful! I like how he is getting involved with Tyler. I like how quickly they are wrapping him back into the story. And I am really glad they gave Elena that moment where she asked about him. Even though it was a little wrapped up into explaining her own drama, it was still nice to give the audience that glimpse into Alaric's current state of being since otherwise he seemed like he was adjusting and adapting without major issue.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on December 30th, 2014 07:44 am (UTC)
Hmm, interesting, because I found the first episode of season 05 to be more pilot-like than this one. I don't know, I didn't find it that way. Hmm, but I'm glad you enjoyed the episode, well, aside from Elena's pain, which wasn't every enjoyable. :(

- Liv and Tyler. Tyler and Liv. I am so here for it!

Yup, surprisingly so, but yup.

- Tyler having a plot line I am actually interested in! Like I really do enjoy that they are taking Tyler back to his roots as a character. I think they skipped so much of that potential journey and lost a lot in the process and I love that they found a way to potentially rehash it.

Good way to put this. Alas, I do still think that Trevino is the weakest actor, but I don't dislike Tyler so I'm good with this.

- Stefan....I'm actually a little annoyed. I mean, not completely, because honestly with Damon dead, and Elena completely wrapped up in her own grief, the only person Stefan has is Caroline and he is absolutely running from that. Because his brother was happy. His brother deserved to be alive. And Stefan ran....because Stefan always runs. So while completely in character, I still want to kick him.

Yeah, that's exactly how I felt about Stefan the first 3 episodes I'd say. But then I just felt bad about him and got over him and just wanted to hug him.

- Alaric. I saved him for last because he was my favorite part of this episode and I have missed him soooo much. Also, thank god they decided to bring him back because someone has to control the children and keep them on track with Damon gone.

Since I'm mad at Alaric now, we just won't talk about him now, but at the time when the premiere aired, yes, I was very happy to see Alaric, and of course, I'm still happy that he's HERE with us again. Of course.