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21 March 2014 @ 07:21 am
5.16 - 'While You Were Sleeping' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Finally, the preview that we all squeed about has at last given way to a full episode's worth. Woohoo!

Shockingly enough, I liked this one. What? You're not shocked? Hee! I just broke this one down into section, although I delved into Damon and Elena a bit in a few sections (not shocking either, I know!). Enjoy. :)

DAMON/ELENA

Let's just get right to it, shall we? As a shipper, I was noooooooo, but on the other hand, both Damon and Elena were right. He should have seen through it. She did run into his arms. They'd been together for four months; he should have realized she wouldn't just end things. Instead, he bought it, and then just on a dime, killed someone in cold blood to prove a point, and not just anyone, but someone that Elena cared about. But, they were wrong when they said they are toxic, because they aren't toxic together, they make each other better. What is toxic is how Damon keeps fighting them being together and trying to prove that he's not good enough for her by constantly giving into his worst instincts. And Elena has too little life experience to recognize that and help him overcome those demons (because, yes, she does need to help him because they do need to be in this together), and Damon has too little self-esteem -- but that right there is why we're at this juncture in the story. Damon didn't realize it was Katherine and did buy her breaking his heart because he has too little self-esteem, and Elena doesn't have the life experience because she is only 18 and doesn't help fight those demons as thoroughly as she should because she isn't used to having to carry that kind of weight on her young shoulders. That takes time to learn how to do. Mistakes--freaking huge mistakes--are going to be made.

But the love is there and it's strong and it's real. It's not just lust driving them (despite the ultra-hot sexytiems ending the episode--woohoo!), you could tell that by the way their pauses in the midst of the passion where they were just lost in each other's eyes, the way she kept caressing his face with one finger during their kisses, the way his fingers caressed her palm as he slid his hand to entwine with hers (and talk about adding a unique, sensuous touch to a standard love scene trope!). That was not a sex scene; that was a love scene.

Now, you know these were coming!

 
 
 
 

*Sigh* And no Stefan and Caroline musings, interruptions, nothing! Just Damon and Elena and sexytiems!

And before that--screech! OK, wait... before that--erm! OK, wait... before that... There were a plethora of some awesome-sauce phone calls. Even the last one which didn't end all that awesome-sauce-ly, it still had Damon trying to calm her down, being the supportive, there-for-you boyfriend (even though they did break up, technically, like three months ago). And before that!! Ah, it was so wonderful. The 'hey you's', the 'distract me/what are you wearing?', the smiles, Elena playing with her hair, not wanting Damon to come over because she doesn't look pretty, the 'I'm gonna hunt you down and give you the most mind-blowing night of your life' (promise kept!). Elena not wanting him to come over because she looks gross, her twirling as she talks to him. It's just like OMG! I could watch those scenes over and over and over again (spoiler alert! I will).

But then things started to (quote Damon) go downhill. First the venom started to send her spiraling, she accused Damon of lying to her, broke her phone, found out he killed Aaron and then the big confrontation in the boarding house. In front of the fireplace. Of course. I mention below in my "Elena" section how Elena doesn't say anything to her friends about how upsetting it is that none of them realized it was Katherine and not her, but of course Elena DOES say something to Damon and I LOVE that, I absolutely, positively love that because see NOT toxic. Overall, Damon and Elena actually, totally DO NOT have a toxic relationship and this is a sign of that because like the best of their relationship before they got together and they started futzing things up by keeping stuff from each other, they were always honest with each other and glory be, I really hope this is the start of that again.

Really, this is a GOOD thing. Yes, it's painful right now because all the honest things they were sharing were REALLY painful, but it's good in the long run--and we have 07 episodes left this season and at least one more season to go and Damon and Elena are totally THE couple--because they NEED to be honest because they DO love each other, because they do make each other better and because they can't quit each other. They spoke about it negatively, but their love for each other, the "control" they have for each other is a good thing because it's not control. It's love, it's a selfless caring for the other that allows you to unconditionally forgive them and be able to trust in that love completely. That is a rare and precious gift and they have given it to each other.

It hurts now, it does (well, aside from the really hot sexytiems, woohoo!), but I don't see how this isn't a good thing in the long run, I just don't. And to end this section on an even happier note. FINALLY! An uninterrupted Damon/Elena love scene! Woohoo!! And did ya'll notice? Damon said: "This has to end. Elena: "It just did. It's over with. Over." They stared at each other and then fell into each other’s arms, boom! goes the music, the first lyric soars over them: "Nooooooo."

Uh huh.

This has to end. It just did. It's over with. Over. No!
ELENA

Elena! My BB girl!! I'VE MISSED YOU SO MUCH!!! Of course it sucks that she's such a wreck, but still... ELENA!!! SMUSHES AND KISSES OF LOVE FOR ELENA'S FULL RETURN! YAY! YAY! YAY! I loved her little smiles and her happiness before the full weight of the venom in the serum began to hit her, her little flirting with Damon, her little twirls in the hallway as she was talking on the phone, her concern over things she missed, her "Katherine is *such* a bitch, her just, you know, Elena-ness. ELENA!

And, ugh, ugh, ugh, Katherine! When Elena opened her diary and saw that Katherine had written in it and Elena saw those entries, I just felt so bad for her and I completely understood why she started that bonfire. It was like I wrote in "No Exit," how I felt like Katherine was violating Elena's body. This Was Elena here feeling that feeling of how Katherine had violated her life. Her clothes, her diary, her toothbrush, her very soul. Katherine Pierce had touched every part of her life, her loves, her friends, her family and had tarnished it. Those hallucinations were awful because obviously they did have a bit of truth to them. To find out that she was replaceable for that long can't be anything but heartbreaking. (Because obviously the show is going with the weird 2-3 weeks thing even though it doesn't quite mesh timeline wise, but, hey, this is The Vampire Diaries, timeline are not your brain's friend.) And of course she's not going to call out any of her friends about it. Not Bonnie or Caroline. Not Matt or Jeremy or Stefan. Only Damon, only Damon will she be honest with. But I loved that we got that insight. I really do.

* Yes, technically Elena spat it out to Bonnie when she was trying to get Liv to drop the barrier, but that wasn't really Elena talking at that point, that was a blood-hungry, hallucination-driven, out-of-her mind Elena. The real Elena not in some venom-induced psychotic situation would never have said that to Bonnie.

And it's funny because I was watching that first scene, her dancing up there on the bar-top and she started to remove her top and I thought it was kinda out of character, but then thought, well, she did just come out of a crazy situation and she does have that weird serum/venom in her so I guess she'd act a little off... I guess. So, good on the show. Because I did think she was acting kinda un-Elena-like, but even I, as a viewer, who knows all of the crazy that goes on on this show, automatically began to make an excuse for her behavior. It really does kind of give weight to why her friends would make excuses for her off behavior when Katherine took over. And, of course, Katherine wasn't nearly as off as Elena was envisioning in her mind.

Such as the Not!Elena/Stefan make-out in the motel room. If that scenario had played out like that? Yeah, Stefan would have known it was not Elena right then and there. Katherine was a lot more subtle than that, LOL! I did get a kick out of how well Elena's brain plays out the brother's sibling-mental-regression with each other though once Damon showed up in that little hallucination. Ahem, but speaking of Stefan and that whole situation, I like that Elena brought that up and out in the open and how things were clarified. Stefan made it clear that it truly began to dawn on him that it wasn't Elena when she kissed him... unspoken because Elena wouldn't have kissed him. And I kept thinking of how Elena had said that to Stefan about Damon when she was him (when Katherine had kissed Damon pretending to be her), but yet Elena *had* kissed Damon. And then even though her and Stefan were apart, they hadn't technically broken up when she and Damon kissed in "The New Deal" and made out in "Heart of Darkness." So basically, yeah, Elena's feelings for Damon just grew to an irresistible level and what she felt for Stefan, well, just no match there. I liked how all of that was conveyed in just a few short sentences without any of it actually being said, but it was pretty clear. Good writing (cuz Caroline Dries is an awesome writer).

DAMON/MATT/JEREMY

OK, folks, so I'm taking what I can get here which admittedly is not much. Look, the bottom line is that Jeremy and Matt may not have been all that nice to Damon in this one (nor was Damon particularly hearts and flowers back), but their less-than-sweet attitude was understandable, and I have to take into account that they *were* spending their time taking care of Damon instead of you know, living their lives. Yes, they were doing their part, but how easy would it have been to "forget" to check on Damon, "forget" a feeding or two? Very, but they didn't. They were there, they stuck around. And even after the threatening and the stupid shit that Damon pulled, they still feel safe enough with him to basically tease and insult him. So, yeah, I'm taking what I can get. Yes, yes, Tyler stuck around the first day, but that was when they didn't know the danger level and how strong Damon was and Tyler as a Hybrid was the strongest and it was for safety reasons and I don't care if I'm making up excuses, it works for me, so there!

Then there was the Damon and Jeremy specific interaction. I found it interesting how Jeremy didn't seem bothered that Damon had threatened to kill him or was threatening to do so again casually, he was just upset about the whole Enzo/strangling thing. And I can understand that. It's not like Damon doesn't threaten to kill Jeremy on a regular basis. Again, he did it during their conversation here. And I go back to what I said before, I think they all knew that Damon would never actually kill Jeremy himself, it was bringing Enzo into it that was the issue. The threat to Jeremy was just Damon being a big, stupid, asshole baby who couldn't get over his broken heart and was taking it out on Elena's brother, not a real thing. Plus, Damon has complete faith in Bonnie, he knew she'd do what had to be done, but Enzo hurt Jeremy and *that* pissed Jeremy off. So, yeah, Jeremy should be pissed. Now, I still believe (hope?) that something is going to happen with Damon and Jeremy towards the end of the season, but until then, I guess their relationship is back to normal-ish, leaning towards the antagonistic side. :shrug:

As for the Damon and Matt specifics, yeah, I'm gonna enjoy every little bit (OK, except when Damon is threatening to kill him, sigh), so I did get a kick out of the "too much sexting with Elena?" and smirk from Matt and Damon's irritated response of "How 'bout you never say that again?" Heh. I also appreciated that Damon didn't even try and play Matt for the fool like he did dumbass Tyler because Matt isn't even remotely as brain-dead as Tyler-Useless-As-Bread-in-Water-Lockwood. And oh Matty he knew Damon was gonna pull something, but a human can't outvamp a vamp, especially when the vamp is Damon Salvatore.

*Sigh* And I know that Damon did totes threaten to kill Matt, removing the ring and all, but I actually didn't have the slightest problem with it and after the fact, I kinda think that Matt and Jeremy really didn't either once they realized what was at stake. I think they also realized what was at stake and that Damon never actually planned on killing Matt, he just needed to show them the seriousness of the situation. And doing what he did would do so. But, of course, you all know I've got me some Damon/Matt/Jeremy blinders, LOL!

STEFAN/CAROLINE

So the Stefan and Caroline bonding continues which I'm finding much enjoyment with. And really that's just all. I just love their interaction. Paul Wesley and Caroline Accola just have wonderful chemistry, and play off of each other beautifully. It doesn't matter what kind of scene they have, the serious ones, the expository scenes, the light, jokey ones, all of them just work for me. I just like watching them on my screen. Obviously I want something romantic to happen with them eventually because they are my secondary OTP on this show, but honestly, I can live with that never happening as long as we continue to see them share lots and lots of scenes together being this close because they are just SO GOOD together. SQUEE! I ♥ them so. :)

However, that does not mean that I'm onboard for some potential Caroline and new accent-guy! Alright, I know that Enzo isn't new, but he's new to Caroline, and I don't think that I am down with this potential here. I mean, even in their few scenes tonight, I'm sorry, ya'll, but I just was not feeling *anything* like at all. So, I'm gonna say.... no. So if you're thinking of going there, show, I vote nay.

SPECIAL SECTION: TAKE 01 -- THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMM....

- So that was an unexpected twist there with Liv, the thinks-she's-too-cool-for-school-wannabe-witch who's not so wannabe after all. Hmmm, indeed. Uber-witch, playing Bon-Bon for a fool, has a secret brother (who is cute and gay and charming and a very, very good actor!) and they are plotting... something. Very intriguing.

- Oh, and shockingly enough, Bonnie and all of her friends (i.e., our beloved--minus the not-missed at all Tyler-2009 through 2014 Mr. Useless of the Universe Winner-Lockwood--Scooby Gang are in danger. Oh, noes! Do you all think this will come to a head through episodes 20-22?

- Another related "Hmmm..." Why did Luke call Bonnie "their" little anchor?

- So at long last the Travelers are definitely coming into play now and we're finally gonna get some answers. Booyah!

- I don't remember if I speculated about it in any of my write-ups, but I know I talked about it with friends, but I always figured there were other doppelgangers out there. It just made sense to me what with Stefan being technically dead and all and with there supposed to be a balance at all. So, cool. What I wonder is will Caroline be able to go through with it? Yes, yes, of course, Stefan is her One True Love (Shut up!) and it's him or Paramedic!Doppel who bites it, but can she really just kill an innocent human in cold blood? Especially one who looks like her One True Love (I said, SHADDUP!)? Again, things that make you go hmmm.......

SPECIAL SECTION: TAKE 02 -- PARALLELS and CALLBACKS...

- I liked the fact that Stefan's doppelganger was a paramedic considering that Stefan told Elena all the way back in season 01, episode 10 ("The Turning Point") that he'd wanted to be a doctor before the whole vampire-blood issue came up. It was a nice little call-back.

 

- Not exactly a fun parallel, but definitely intentional I think since Caroline Dries was the sole writer of both episodes at play. In "Dangerous Liaisons," Damon told Elena he loved her (in the midst of him running around stopping her from making bunches of stupid independent decisions in order to keep her safe. This led, of course, to Elena infamously telling Damon that this would be a problem. Well, in this episode, when Elena told Damon that despite the fact that his actions continually kept her moral compass askew, she couldn't stop loving him, this time he was the one who told her that it was a problem. See?

 
 

As depressing as both moments were, I do think it's OK because while there is a kernel of truth here, the problem isn't them. And this "problem" word that they are throwing about only comes up in these moments of crises when they have not properly been communicating! That is the key here. Note that the issue in 3.14 came about after a few weeks of the two not seeing eye to eye/communicating because Stefan had come back into the picture, Damon had felt pushed out and had basically relegated himself to the outskirts of any kind of close relationship with Elena. So their communication at that point was pretty much kaput. And now... DUN DUN DUN! I talked a lot in the first couple of episodes (and it came up in other episodes--not so big, but bigger later) about how Damon and Elena were not being honest with each other, they weren't telling each other things and how that wasn't like what they were pre-romantic relationship... well, now it's biting them in the ass! Because they weren't properly communicating and this is what's resulting. Damon wasn't open with her, she didn't push him--even though she knew that he needed it. And she wasn't open with him. She didn't tell him about the weird Stefan feelings, which opened up that wedge of insecurity that was then widened by the doppelganger mess. And on and on, a bunch of little things they just didn't tell each other about, they stopped communicating.

And here we are... suddenly: Problem. But it makes sense and it certainly, completely, definitively fits the history of these characters and their relationship and I prefer that they get it out now and deal with it. And I'm grateful that their love (and lust) is so there and strong for each other that it's keeping them tied to each other so they can work out the communication issues to deal with that pesky "problem." Because they are not the problem. Their love is not the problem. The two of them not trusting in their love is the problem. Damon wouldn't go flying off half-cocked and do the things he shouldn't do if he would just trust in her, communicate with her, share with her. And Elena wouldn't have to keep readjusting her moral compass if she would be open and honest with Damon, share the pain and worries about everything instead of keeping it wrapped up tight inside simply because she's so used to doing just that, to be the strong one, with everyone else in her life.

- Finally! A fun parallel, I guess, it's a parallel, or just a Damon/Elena thing. Or rather, a Nina/Ian-character-related thing because the first gif? Yeah, that ain't Elena.

 
 

So, yeah, any time a Nina Dobrev-flavored character makes out with an Ian Somerhalder-flavored character (notably, yes, Elena and Damon), she rips off his shirt. It's a thing. Uh huh.

MISCELLANEOUS

- A+ episode from Nina Dobrev. She just rocked it out of the park. I missed the heck out of Elena and Dobrev returned her in fine (if sad, pathetic, my heart was breaking in a million pieces for her, but she was still totally bad-ass and smart and kick-ass and awesome and I love her to bits!) form.

One of my favorite moments was that little head-tilt after Damon told her he'd killed Aaron as she tried to process it and then the look on her face as he waited for her to say something. Oh, Elena. Seriously, she broke my heart tonight.

 

- Speaking of awesome... the actor who is playing Luke, Chris Brochu, is really, really good. I mean, that guy just fit in smooth, like buttah! I swear, I was wracking my brain for a second or two trying to remember if I'd seen him at the Bitter Ball, he was so natural and effortless with Elena. I completely bought that he was a regular character who'd been around. And then the flip to the not-so-good guy at the end there? Nicely done. Really fantastic job.

- And speaking of fantastic... looks like Enzo is sticking around a bit and slowly working his way into the group. Nice. Hmm.... maybe he will turn out to be a better friend to Damon then I originally imagined. We will see. I sure hope so, cuz, boy could sure use it. As long as he stops encouraging Damon's worst habits and is a true, good friend to Damon, I'm for it. I do like the guy lots. And, hee, I gotta say I ADORED his little wave goodbye to Stefan. Haha! I mean, I may love Enzo, but Stefan sure don't, LOL!

     

- Gotta love Vampire Diaries using the Georgia locale whenever they can. Atlanta paramedic for the win!

- Ooh, Smart!Elena, using Bonnie's words to placate her before she grabbed that thing-a-ma-jig to gut Liv to force her to lower the seal. That's my girl! And, ooh, both her and Damon using their smarts to break out of their serum-forced prisons. My bbs are so perfect for each other. Pfft, toxic, indeed! Hah!

- Man, I felt so bad for Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev doing that 'I killed Aaron!/No, I killed Aaron!' confession scene outside. It was clearly sooooooo cold. Their puffs of breath were so clear it was distracting in the scene, poor things.

- So, yeah, Damon and Elena broke up again without actually getting back together. OK then, that's Damon and Elena, doing things their own special way. Uh huh.

- Sigh, Elena told Damon that she wanted to fight for him, double sigh... if only. Grrr, stupid, Katherine. That would have just done wonders for Damon and his feelings of less-than. Stupid, stupid, stupid Katherine. May you rot in hell (or wherever that mystical place of darkness you were sent, just stay there and rot).

Well, another episode and I'm feeling good! Three-quarters of the way through the season and I'm still happy as a clam and loving my show to bits, kibbles and bits!!! Woohoo!! One more episode before we have to deal with one more stupid hiatus. Grr!
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on March 21st, 2014 12:21 pm (UTC)
I absolutely adored this episode. And hah - now I am putting the last two minutes on auto-rewatch instead of the last promo, LOL.

I put a THIS! below everything you said. (I won't copy it all, though)

You made a lot of great points, and I think, too, that the "problem" was mentioned on purpose. So where are Damon and Elena now? On a break? Again on the corner of nowhere and somewher? I don't really think so, but as Damon said in Season 2 (to Caroline, but he should REALLY take a bite of his own advice) "Relationships are all about communication". Uh huh. So there, Mr. Salvatore. Think about it. Same goes for Elena, of course, but as you said she is only 18, with much less experience and Damon really puts a lot of weight on her.

I loved how the show at first kept them apart, let them only speak on the phone, and then slowly drew them together until the passionate end.

Wow - for once I knew that they were fooling us with the Party!Elena - I expected it to be a hallucination or a dream and voilà! Usually I fall for these traps so I am really proud of myself. *nods*.

I liked Elena's version of the SK-Scene, where we could see how brilliant Katherine really was. The Kat Elena imagined was way to obvious. And her scenes with Aaron were intense. When Sipos' name appeared on the screen I hoped for a moment that he would show up as a vampire somehow, but that would have screwed up Damon's arc and he really needs to get a grip on his self-esteem-issues. But I hope the gang will help him with that. And the fact that he also had a mindblowing night, not only Elena.

I am curious how this doppelganger-traveller-stuff will play out.

And what? Another hiatus after the next episode? Geez.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline04arabian on March 23rd, 2014 08:58 am (UTC)
Exactly. It's all about communication, which these two actually are VERY good about--when they aren't trying to screw up their relationship. Ugh. Think about the first half of the episode. They were so good together. And proving just how toxic they are not. It was Damon who made her feel safe. Damon who was making her smile, keeping her calm, helping her through this, Damon who she turned to because they are good for each other. But right now because they are in the middle of VERY. BAD. TIMES. they are concentrating on the negative and not the positives here. Silly, silly, stupid, vampires.

Wow - for once I knew that they were fooling us with the Party!Elena - I expected it to be a hallucination or a dream and voilà! Usually I fall for these traps so I am really proud of myself. *nods*.

Good on you. :)

I hope the gang will help him with that.

I SERIOUSLY need the show to going there with that. I really need the others to start stepping it up when it comes to Damon. I really, really do. I mean, right now, Caroline is planning to cold-bloodedly murder someone. She needs to start cutting Damon slack. Period.

And what? Another hiatus after the next episode? Geez.

It should be a VERY short one though, a few weeks, maybe three at the most.



tj2013tj2013 on March 25th, 2014 08:47 am (UTC)

I SERIOUSLY need the show to going there with that. I really need the others to start stepping it up when it comes to Damon. I really, really do. I mean, right now, Caroline is planning to cold-bloodedly murder someone. She needs to start cutting Damon slack. Period.

Yeah,this this this! I am really curious how this plot will unfold. I get it that the gang protect themselves and that Caroline is all "it's him or you" to Stefan - but that is like Jeremy killing Chris in 3x06. Although I somehow doubt that they will let Caroline go there. And if the doppelganger has any resemblance to Stefan, he will try and talk his way out of it :-)

BTW did you watch the TVD gang on Paleyfest? They had to play a game (remembering all the deaths on TVD) and Ian totally screwed up and Paul drily told him something along the lines of: "well at least you're pretty..." It was hilarious. LOL.
Arabian: TVD-Cast04arabian on March 27th, 2014 09:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, I want to believe that it's leading somewhere that has some acknowledgement that it's not just Damon who has caused this moral compass bent, but I'm not getting any kind of expectation for that.

I did watch the Paleyfest panel (sigh, spoilers, but not too bad and I figured exactly what they were doing with what was said). It was pretty funny, but their panels always are, LOL!
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on March 21st, 2014 01:05 pm (UTC)

Wonderful write up as always. So happy I found you and found my peace with my series. I agree on all you put though I managed to make few small points myself this time.

I wonder if DE will now be on a break or not. Or over completely or trying to work it out. Because they are not TOXIC ! After the night of passion I’m worried there might be some realisation that they don’t work and cannot function. Though they love each other. I’m hoping there won’t be negative resolution to their relationship the morning after. I will keep my hopes up on this. I’m also writing that because I got initially a bit distracted by the way the sex scene was done. The lighting and the dust floating and the almost sun floating in made me wonder if that was a dream scene but I’m most likely wrong. It just struck me.

Elena fighting with Damon about what he did and calling him on all the bad is good. It needs to come out and as you say they have to communicate. This calling out and confrontation never really happened when Stefan did something bad. At least I don’t recall. All was swept under the rug. Also don’t you think that Elena in her speech to Damon somehow confirmed what Caroline was telling her all along about Damon being a bad person? In different words. And Damon acknowledging it as well. I really hope this "bad" guy think will be disproved to all soon. (bad/good in TVD terms : ) )

Unfortunately Damon instead of catching on that Elena acts out of her character let his insecurity confirm his worst fears that he is not worthy and a monster and acted out after the fake “break up” by Katherine. Now he is kicking his behind. Elena is obviously upset that none of her friends and her boyfriend didn’t figure it out. I think it is devastating Damon even more. Adds to his doubts and insecurities.

I’m still confused with the travellers/doppelganger storyline. Also we have a new twist with Liv and her brother. I wonder if they are somehow connected to the travellers or running their own agenda.

I wonder if the Atlanta paramedic doppelganger would be put in Elena’s path in her life by the universe if she never met Stefan who wouldn’t be a vampire and she herself remained human. He would be her generation's doppelganger since Stefan would have been dead by then as a human.

I’m a bit sad and worried about the Deremy + Matt dynamics. I hope it will get better but agree with you and will try to see it the same way. Jeremy is important to Elena and it will define DE no matter what. And so is Matt.

If Elena remains on Damon’s side I’m curious about her friends‘ reaction and judgements. I hope they see deeper than that and consider all the circumstances.

I’m surprised this ripper/virus issue was resolved this fast. I presume rest of the season will be centred around travellers/doppelganger story + new twist with Liv and her brother involvement.

Wonderful Gifs by the way. They made me swoon and re watch few fun scenes.

Yes and the aim in the last scene was obviously to show them making love. I just hope they aren’t over….even for the time being.

Good catch with the song starting with NO over their …it is over.

Caroline and Stefan – this time it was more obvious to me that they might be preparing something for them. Perhaps romance. I don’t know still though. Will have to wait it out.

Still not sure if Enzo will turn out to be more friend or enemy.

Why so many hiatuses? How long will that be again?
tj2013tj2013 on March 21st, 2014 01:59 pm (UTC)
I wonder if the Atlanta paramedic doppelganger would be put in Elena’s path in her life by the universe if she never met Stefan who wouldn’t be a vampire and she herself remained human. He would be her generation's doppelganger since Stefan would have been dead by then as a human.

Interesting theory, no one said the doppelgangers are all fated to become vampires, right? - you could be on to something. Hm, I guess he won't die so quickly as Caroline intended and I wonder whether he and Elena will meet?
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on March 21st, 2014 02:26 pm (UTC)
It just struck me. Sort of makes sense. But then I wonder how it would work that they would meet. Florencia7 also mentioned similar scenario. I think the fact that the doppelganger(s) became vampire was by a chance so I don't think it is really an issue. I think it could be either human or vampire.
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on March 23rd, 2014 08:54 am (UTC)
But vampires are dead technically so if it's about having to have one of each then when Elena died, another doppelganger would have had to be born, just like when Stefan died another doppelganger had to be born and well, there would have been doppelganger after doppelgangers around because it was all about the balance of always having one around, right?

I hope they explain this more thoroughly without Tessa's Silas/Amara-hating-tunnel-vision getting in the way, LOL!
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on March 23rd, 2014 08:52 am (UTC)
No, no one said that about the doppelgangers, the only that was really born out is that the doppelgangers are fated to be separated by eternity: see Silas/Amara, Stefan/Katherine at this point and pretty much not meant to be. Obviously if they're meant to fall in love, it ain't meant to end happily ever after. We were told there is supposed to be a balance, but I don't think there had to be any actual connection there, just that balance.
Arabian: Damon09arabian on March 23rd, 2014 10:30 am (UTC)
I wonder if DE will now be on a break or not. Or over completely or trying to work it out.

Hmm, I'm not sure where they will be. I'm kinda happy-ish that they aren't back together-together though because we do have so many episodes yet and if they resolved everything now that would definitively mean that things would end with them in a bad, bad place at the end of the season, you know?

The lighting and the dust floating and the almost sun floating in made me wonder if that was a dream scene but I’m most likely wrong.

Nah, that was just artistic choices and all that. It was just dust motes creating light and all that, LOL!

This calling out and confrontation never really happened when Stefan did something bad.

Yup, yup, yup. One of the main reasons I could never like them as a couple. So very unhealthy.

I really hope this "bad" guy think will be disproved to all soon. (bad/good in TVD terms : ) )

I sure hope so. I said below that Elena puts this on Damon, but it's not just him. She completely glossed over the fact that Stefan killed Andie (cold-bloodedly I might add) just to prove a point to Damon. She's been bending her moral compass for quite a while now and it's not just been for Damon, but for Stefan and even to a small degree the other and herself too.

I’m still confused with the travellers/doppelganger storyline.

Uhm, I think we all are, LOL! I'm thinking there is still some explaining to come.

I wonder if the Atlanta paramedic doppelganger would be put in Elena’s path in her life by the universe if she never met Stefan who wouldn’t be a vampire and she herself remained human. He would be her generation's doppelganger since Stefan would have been dead by then as a human.

I don't think each generation has a doppelganger so much as there simply has to be a doppelganger at play to balance each other out.

I’m a bit sad and worried about the Deremy + Matt dynamics. I hope it will get better but agree with you and will try to see it the same way. Jeremy is important to Elena and it will define DE no matter what. And so is Matt.

I will be disappointed if nothing happens with Matt and Damon strengthening that relationship, but I don't think it's detrimental to Damon and Elena, but I can't see something not happening with Damon and Jeremy. They just have had too much happen with them at the start of the season and then that stuff mid-season for there to be follow-up. Plus, yes, that does factor into the Damon/Elena dynamic.

I’m surprised this ripper/virus issue was resolved this fast. I presume rest of the season will be centred around travellers/doppelganger story + new twist with Liv and her brother involvement.

Once I realized that they were going to keep Damon (and Elena) locked up, I figured it would be resolved quickly. And remember, TVD does resolve STORY PLOTS quickly, it's character-driven plots and seasonal arcs that play out over a series of episodes.

Wonderful Gifs by the way. They made me swoon and re watch few fun scenes.

Thank you. :)

Yes and the aim in the last scene was obviously to show them making love. I just hope they aren’t over….even for the time being.

I don't think Damon and Elena will ever be over anymore.

Why so many hiatuses? How long will that be again?

Well, the last rerun wasn't planned. That was because of the winter storm that knocked Georgia out for about a week. TVD filming was shut down and it knocked them off of their schedule so it wasn't intended to happen. This one was supposed to happen and it was the last one. It should only be about 2-3 weeks. It's just a way to spread 22 episodes out over nearly nine months. It's TV.
Florencia: DE (I Died)florencia7 on March 21st, 2014 01:58 pm (UTC)
“But, they were wrong when they said they are toxic, because they aren't toxic together, they make each other better.” - As much as it'd be wonderful if we got a less ~painful scene, it makes sense for them to think that at this point of the story. If right now they came to a positive conclusion, agreed that they make each other better, etc., the conflict would pretty much be out of the way and we still have several episodes (and at least one more season) to go ;)

”Elena doesn't say anything to her friends about how upsetting it is that none of them realized it was Katherine and not her, but of course Elena DOES say something to Damon ” - She did mention that to Bonnie, but yes, only with Damon she actually talked about it and I loved that.

”It's over with. We're over.” - The next ep promo kind of makes me question this interpretation... BUT my first thought upon hearing this was that Elena deliberately used that phrase. Earlier, Damon implied that “Elena's” break-up speech was playing on a loop in his head and I wonder if it's possible that during one of their phone calls Elena made him repeat it to her, so she knew exactly what Katherine had said? If so, Elena knew that Katherine had used that very phrase. Then we have Elena ~accusing Damon of not seeing through Katherine's charade, not recognizing that it wasn't her. So even though I'm probably wrong, my initial impression was that Elena was “testing” Damon. She used Katherine's words to see if he would believe them – again. I guess I was/am thinking that, because there was something kind of ~daring in her eyes when she looked at Damon after saying the words.

I missed Elena SO MUCH too. It's such a relief to have her back.

”I think they also realized what was at stake and that Damon never actually planned on killing Matt, he just needed to show them the seriousness of the situation.” - That was actually one of my favorite things in this episode. Damon telling Jeremy to trust him (and he did!), telling him that Elena needs him and that he'll not hurt her, which, again, Jeremy believed (even though considering the whole virus/not being in control thing, he *could* have had legitimate doubts about and yet he did let Damon go, and it seemed pretty clear it wasn't because he thought Damon would really kill Matt, but because he really did believe in Damon's love for Elena being strong enough to keep him from hurting her no matter what ♥

I loved all of Stefan/Caroline's scenes too! (”Rebekah?” LOL) And I agree that Caroline/Enzo just doesn't seem like something that could work (equally random, but I think Bonnie/Enzo shared more of a spark than C/E). Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to their road trip. Here's hoping that it will provide Caroline with some Damon insight ;)

Also... are they *really* going to kill the paramedic guy? If so, how is that going to be different from Damon killing Aaron? In fact, I wouldn't say that Damon killed Aaron in cold blood. It was very much in “hot blood”, since he was an emotional wreck that night. On the other hand, if Caroline and Enzo kill that unfortunate doppelganger, it will totally be in cold blood. Hm... I kind of think that maybe they will only *pretend* to have killed him and then whatever the Travelers are planning to do won't work, because of that... but I guess the Travelers might suspect such a ruse and they'll probably double-check if Caroline and Enzo's mission was successfully accomplished, so...

On a slightly random note: are doppelgangers fated to fall in love with each other in order? What I mean is, let's say that Katherine “should” have fallen in love (and only then such a love story could end happily) with a doppelganger born in 15th century, Stefan with a doppelganger from the 19th, and so forth? What I'm getting at is, is it possible that this paramedic from Atlanta was the doppelganger “meant” for Elena to begin with? And that's why S/E under any circumstances wouldn't work? Just a thought.
Arabian: Damon & Elena35arabian on March 23rd, 2014 10:41 am (UTC)
As much as it'd be wonderful if we got a less ~painful scene, it makes sense for them to think that at this point of the story. If right now they came to a positive conclusion, agreed that they make each other better, etc., the conflict would pretty much be out of the way and we still have several episodes (and at least one more season) to go ;)

Hah! That's exactly what I just said to someone above: I'm kinda happy-ish that they aren't back together-together though because we do have so many episodes yet and if they resolved everything now that would definitively mean that things would end with them in a bad, bad place at the end of the season, you know?

She did mention that to Bonnie, but yes, only with Damon she actually talked about it and I loved that.

Ah, I forgot that about to Bonnie, but yeah, just a quick mention, but yeah, she was in-depth with Damon.

BUT my first thought upon hearing this was that Elena deliberately used that phrase.

No, Elena didn't remember anything Katherine actually did. She was really extrapolating from what the others said and building on it. We got near-takes on it because they just used the same sets to make it close to that. Firstly, Elena wouldn't test Damon like that, she's not that kind of person. And Damon made it pretty clear in the phone calls he wasn't going to tell her what went on. Remember Katherine got Matt to tell her how Elena broke up with him, she used a variation on those break-up words with Damon. So basically those are Elena's "break-up" phrases, it makes sense that she would use them again, she used them with Matt after all. That's where Katherine got them from.

I guess I was/am thinking that, because there was something kind of ~daring in her eyes when she looked at Damon after saying the words.

She was daring him to fight for her without really realizing it I'm thinking now because she did tell him that she wanted to fight for him.

Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to their road trip. Here's hoping that it will provide Caroline with some Damon insight ;)

Well, considering she's going on this road trip to cold-bloodedly kill someone, it would be nice if she stopped judging Damon just a wee bit.

Also... are they *really* going to kill the paramedic guy? If so, how is that going to be different from Damon killing Aaron? In fact, I wouldn't say that Damon killed Aaron in cold blood. It was very much in “hot blood”, since he was an emotional wreck that night. On the other hand, if Caroline and Enzo kill that unfortunate doppelganger, it will totally be in cold blood.

EXACTIMUNDO!!!

Hm... I kind of think that maybe they will only *pretend* to have killed him and then whatever the Travelers are planning to do won't work, because of that... but I guess the Travelers might suspect such a ruse and they'll probably double-check if Caroline and Enzo's mission was successfully accomplished, so...

I do wonder... but I could see Caroline not able to pull it off, but would Enzo not do it? That's the question.

On a slightly random note: are doppelgangers fated to fall in love with each other in order?</i>

See, I don't see that. I just saw it as they were needed to balance each other (as Silas said). And as we saw it, if they do fall in love, they're fated to not work out and if they keep pushing it, end up separated for eternity (ala Silas/Amara, Stefan/Katherine).

What I mean is, let's say that Katherine “should” have fallen in love (and only then such a love story could end happily) with a doppelganger born in 15th century, Stefan with a doppelganger from the 19th, and so forth? What I'm getting at is, is it possible that this paramedic from Atlanta was the doppelganger “meant” for Elena to begin with? And that's why S/E under any circumstances wouldn't work? Just a thought.

I just don't see how this works because then there would be tons of doppels running around and why would they even open that Pandora's box because it's a COMPLETELY moot point now since Elena is no longer human. She's a vampire now.
Florencia: DE (4x08)florencia7 on March 21st, 2014 01:58 pm (UTC)
[part 2]

”Another related "Hmmm..." Why did Luke call Bonnie "their" little anchor?” - Maybe they just want to bring someone back from the dead? Although I'm not sure why that would put Bonnie's friends (all of them??) in danger... And how do they even know Bonnie is the anchor??

The love-as-the-problem parallel – yeah, that was pretty blatant lol But I liked it. Now we, well, they are square ;)

”One of my favorite moments was that little head-tilt after Damon told her he'd killed Aaron” - I loved this head-tilt too! Both final DE scenes in their entirety were just so beautifully acted and the delivery of all the lines was delightful (Ian's “not gonna change”, Nina's last “again” - just so fantastic, the tone, the rhythm).

”And, hee, I gotta say I ADORED his little wave goodbye to Stefan.” - lol Me too! And Enzo can stay, especially that he kind of implied, that the main reason he is participating in the whole thing is because he cares for Damon: “Is it such an anomaly for Damon to have a friend?” / “Consider me on it. Awww ^^

”Ooh, Smart!Elena, using Bonnie's words to placate her before she grabbed that thing-a-ma-jig to gut Liv to force her to lower the seal.” - I loved this too.

So pretty much the only thing that I'm seriously worried about right now, is the Travelers' intention to mix Stefan and Elena's blood. What for??? I just hope they just want to concoct some kind of a magical potion and that it won't ~link Stefan and Elena or something equally annoying :(

Random comments/questions:

SO happy the virus is gone! I totally didn't expect for them to deal with it so quickly. I'm pleasantly surprised

I liked how because of the structure of the hallucinatory scene in question & then Elena talking to Damon on the phone, made it seem like Elena categorized making-out with Stefan as one of her “worst fears” LOL

I liked how Matt (unlike Tyler earlier) looked like he *knew* Damon was up to something, but wasn't worried/scared enough to act on that suspicion

Do you think anything will be made out of both Damon and Elena drinking Stefan's blood during their ripper phase? (Plus, Elena drank Damon's blood in S4 and Damon drank Elena's in 2x22.) Can it, I don't know, lead to the THREE of them being linked in some way and THAT messing up with whatever the Travelers will be trying to achieve by mixing Stefan and Elena's blood?

IN LOVE WITH THE GIFS ♥

PS. some rather happy Claire/Rebekah news ;D

Edited at 2014-03-23 01:03 am (UTC)
Arabian: Elena02arabian on March 23rd, 2014 10:45 am (UTC)
Maybe they just want to bring someone back from the dead? Although I'm not sure why that would put Bonnie's friends (all of them??) in danger... And how do they even know Bonnie is the anchor??

Exactly. So, yeah, why?

So pretty much the only thing that I'm seriously worried about right now, is the Travelers' intention to mix Stefan and Elena's blood. What for??? I just hope they just want to concoct some kind of a magical potion and that it won't ~link Stefan and Elena or something equally annoying :(

Well, technically, they're already linked so what does it matter, LOL? I dunno, I'm just not worried about Stefan and Elena anymore. That ship has so sailed and sunk off the coast of Norway.

Random comments/questions:

SO happy the virus is gone! I totally didn't expect for them to deal with it so quickly. I'm pleasantly surprised

Once I realized that they were going to keep Damon (and Elena) locked up, I figured it would be resolved quickly. And remember, TVD does resolve STORY PLOTS quickly, it's character-driven plots and seasonal arcs that play out over a series of episodes.

I liked how because of the structure of the hallucinatory scene in question & then Elena talking to Damon on the phone, made it seem like Elena categorized making-out with Stefan as one of her “worst fears” LOL

HAHAHA! You're so right!

I liked how Matt (unlike Tyler earlier) looked like he *knew* Damon was up to something, but wasn't worried/scared enough to act on that suspicion

Yup.

Do you think anything will be made out of both Damon and Elena drinking Stefan's blood during their ripper phase?

Hmm, good point. Because they REALLY kept driving it home that it was STEFAN's blood they were drinking. Hmm....

(Plus, Elena drank Damon's blood in S4 and Damon drank Elena's in 2x22.) Can it, I don't know, lead to the THREE of them being linked in some way and THAT messing up with whatever the Travelers will be trying to achieve by mixing Stefan and Elena's blood?

Interesting point. Add that to 'things that make you go hmmm.............

PS. some rather happy Claire/Rebekah news ;D

Unless she's coming back to TVD, it ain't happy for me. :(
MaelJ0714: necklacemaelj0714 on March 21st, 2014 10:57 pm (UTC)
I mention below in my "Elena" section how Elena doesn't say anything to her friends about how upsetting it is that none of them realized it was Katherine and not her, but of course Elena DOES say something to Damon and I LOVE that, I absolutely, positively love that because see NOT toxic.

THIS. :sigh:

I think they also realized what was at stake and that Damon never actually planned on killing Matt, he just needed to show them the seriousness of the situation.

So agree with this. I really liked all the scenes with Damon/Matt/Jeremy. Ian Somerhalder is SO GOOD at comedy. He really is a talented actor. And I loved the fact that after the Tyler incident they had to shorten Damon’s chains. Hehe.

So the Stefan and Caroline bonding continues which I'm finding much enjoyment with. And really that's just all. I just love their interaction. Paul Wesley and Caroline Accola just have wonderful chemistry, and play off of each other beautifully. It doesn't matter what kind of scene they have, the serious ones, the expository scenes, the light, jokey ones, all of them just work for me. I just like watching them on my screen.

I thought they were wonderful, too. The teasing after the link was just so sweet. And all the talk about being there for each other and “You'd do it for me.” I think, though, one of my favorite lines from Stefan came during his first phone call with Caroline where he tells her he isn’t going anywhere until she tells him what is going on. He can be completely straight forward and honest with her (and frustrated), when he never seemed to be able to do that with Elena.

As depressing as both moments were, I do think it's OK because while there is a kernel of truth here, the problem isn't them. And this "problem" word that they are throwing about only comes up in these moments of crises when they have not properly been communicating! That is the key here. …. Their love is not the problem. The two of them not trusting in their love is the problem. Damon wouldn't go flying off half-cocked and do the things he shouldn't do if he would just trust in her, communicate with her, share with her. And Elena wouldn't have to keep readjusting her moral compass if she would be open and honest with Damon about everything instead of keeping it wrapped up tight inside simply because she's so used to unburdening herself with everyone else in her life.


I really loved this scene and didn’t find anything depressing about it. Yep, just LOVED IT. He loves her so strongly that he knows her power to hurt him can cause him to lash out and do horrible things and she loves him so strongly that she’s willing to bend her moral principles to forgive him. And neither of them likes or wants this. He says he can’t change and she won’t change (and rightly shouldn’t). But what they don’t realize is that both of them ARE changing. Damon has to *prove* that he is still a cold-blooded killer, but obviously he is not. He shows remorse, regret. There was no enjoyment in his killing spree with Enzo, just pain. And Elena is learning that the world can’t be viewed in black and white but shades of gray. With Damon, she can be unrestrained, passionate and adventurous. She feels alive and happy.

Communication is a huge issue, but I can’t think that Elena would have been okay with the Whitmore’s death even it Damon had told her. But if he HAD talked to her about it, *trusted in her love,* chances are he would never have continued with his revenge. Because he is changing, whether he will acknowledge it or not. And it’s her unconditional love, her inability to give up on him, even when she has to bend her morals, that is causing him to change.

Loved the parallels you mentioned. I didn’t catch those.

Well, another episode and I'm feeling good! Three-quarters of the way through the season and I'm still happy as a clam and loving my show to bits, kibbles and bits!!! Woohoo!!

ME, TOO!! YAY!!!

One more episode before we have to deal with one more stupid hiatus. Grr!

What??? NOOOOO!!! :(

Edited at 2014-03-21 10:59 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon12arabian on March 23rd, 2014 09:02 am (UTC)
I think, though, one of my favorite lines from Stefan came during his first phone call with Caroline where he tells her he isn’t going anywhere until she tells him what is going on. He can be completely straight forward and honest with her (and frustrated), when he never seemed to be able to do that with Elena.

That remains one of the reasons that Caroline is my OTP for Stefan. They prove in so many ways why they work SO WELL in a way that he and Elena never worked. BTW, I didn't copy/paste anything above D/J/M or Damon/Elena because I agreed with all you said. And even more so this SO VERY MUCH!

But what they don’t realize is that both of them ARE changing. Damon has to *prove* that he is still a cold-blooded killer, but obviously he is not. He shows remorse, regret. There was no enjoyment in his killing spree with Enzo, just pain. And Elena is learning that the world can’t be viewed in black and white but shades of gray. With Damon, she can be unrestrained, passionate and adventurous. She feels alive and happy.

YEs, yes, yes!!! Absolutely. You are so right. I love that. Damon had to prove it which he wouldn't have to do if he wasn't changing. Duh, Damon! And the thing is, Elena puts this on Damon, but it's not just him. She completely glossed over the fact that Stefan killed Andie (cold-bloodedly I might add) just to prove a point to Damon. She's been bending her moral compass for quite a while now and it's not just been for Damon, but for Stefan and even to a small degree the other and herself too.

What??? NOOOOO!!! :(

Just a small-ish one though, a few weeks, maybe three and it's the last one!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on March 22nd, 2014 07:17 pm (UTC)
Just finished watching! Such a good episode.

I'm so glad we got to deal with Elena processing what had happened to her and the build-up to the Damon/Elena scene at the end was fantastic. And that song was really sexy, with an edge of danger, and it fit well for the scene.

No, it's too much, burn my sun
Up in flames we go, you fire breather
Ash and dust on my door, smoke rise
Trying to survive inside your arms

No, it's too much, burn my sun
smoke rise
Trying to survive inside your arms


Those lyrics work really well with the current struggle Delena is having on the show. They do both feel overwhelmed.

Caroline and Stefan - yay! Going there, definitely.

For our new minor character, I really loved the twist with Luke because even when he was (I thought) just a one-scene character, I already really liked him.

ETA: I'm cleaning house this weekend, so I'm free pretty much anytime if you want to call.

Edited at 2014-03-22 07:18 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena37arabian on March 23rd, 2014 08:39 am (UTC)
I'm so glad we got to deal with Elena processing what had happened to her and the build-up to the Damon/Elena scene at the end was fantastic. And that song was really sexy, with an edge of danger, and it fit well for the scene.

I agree. The whole build-up throughout the episode, in a way it really showed how the whole supposed "toxic" thing was so very false because Damon was the one keeping her fears at bay, keeping her calm. Damon was her center, you know? And, yes, the song was perfect for the emotion of the scene.

Caroline and Stefan - yay! Going there, definitely.

And taking their sweet time. Which totally works for me. :)

I really loved the twist with Luke because even when he was (I thought) just a one-scene character, I already really liked him.

I just can't go over how well that actor worked and so quickly!
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on March 29th, 2014 09:05 pm (UTC)
I’m not sure I have a lot to add that people haven’t already said at this point. This was a good episode and I enjoyed it very much, and it was indeed saying something very different about their toxicity as couple than what they were showing. I agree with everything you’ve said about Damon and Elena and I still think they are the most likely endgame, but now we are right at the nub of the problems between them, I am fascinated to see how the writers can resolve these issues that have been there since the beginning. Surely to go on now Elena would need to have some proof that Damon is prepared and enable to change his entrenched position. The obvious answer is for them to talk, but that’s hardly dramatic…

I’m fairly sure I have argued that there had to be another doppelgänger before. If ‘nature’ is popping out these doppelgängers for whatever reason it is doing so, then they have to be born in pairs more or less together. I doesn’t mean that one can’t be drawn to another from a previous generation (Katherine/Stefan, Elena/Stefan), but it doesn’t make any sense that doppelgängers ‘meant for each other’ would be born so far apart in time (or that they keep popping up in a town across an ocean from Silas and Amara, but whatever). But if that’s true, then isn’t the new Silas doppelgänger in Atlanta a little young to be a paramedic? (Plus isn’t Elena technically 19 now?)

Other things:

They got a lot more blood for their 4oz this week, poor Stefan!

Sorry, but I just detested Luke on sight (I had been spoiled for his arrival, but I wasn’t expecting to have such a viscerally negative reaction, I think it’s the scraggly beard and the awful clothes). I hope he gets eaten sharpish.

Another week, another episode I am teased with Matt’s demise. ::Sigh::