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01 March 2014 @ 03:59 am
5.14 - 'No Exit' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Sorry for the later posting. I had a migraine last night, so yeah.

*Sigh* Still missing Elena. {pouts} Subsequently missing Damon and Elena. I'm wondering if that's why the ratings are a bit on the lower side... hmmm. Are Damon and Damon/Elena fans boycotting the show again? :rme: Whatever. Spoiler and tumblr/twitter-free (thus negativity-free), I am enjoying the heck out of the show and having a blast. No disappointment or frustration coming from me at all. No siree! So moving on to the episode.

First of all, I'm making the executive decision and just calling her Katherine because bitch ain't Elena Gilbert, she don't even get Not!Elena anymore. She tried to make Stefan kill Damon. Hello! As if. Well, I was really thinking (hoping) that we would see the end of Katherine and the return of the sorely-missed Elena (sobs!) since we saw what looked like Katherine headed in the same direction and the Travellers in the preview. Ah well. Such clearly was not meant to be. But, hey, at least the gang (OK, two members of the gang, but they'll tell the rest) finally figured it out. Go Stefan and Caroline, putting that great chemistry to work. Such a marvelous team those two are. Seriously, they totes are. :D I love how Caroline is always gravitating to Stefan now, and how he's always got a smile when he sees her there. They're so comfortable and cozy and so right together. And Caroline is so very much not feeling "Elena" hanging out with Stefan all the time now even if I'm totally sure she doesn't even realize why it bothers her. But it totally, totally does bug her.

And Stefan is totally, totally scoffing at the idea of him and Elena because despite the kissing, he really is no longer in love with her. Much like Elena chose Damon over Stefan, Stefan has now very much chosen Damon over Elena as well and he's comfortable and has accepted that decision. Even during his speech to Katherine about loving Elena with all of his atoms and what-not, it was beautiful and romantic and la-di-dah, but it was in the past-tense. It is no more. Yes, he kissed her. Passionately. Yes, he couldn't help but sneak a peek during the whole shower bit there, but remember Elena broke up with him, she ended things and he never got to shut it down. To do the "right thing." Well, he did this time. And, you know, he's a guy. She's hot, he loved her, she's naked and then throwing herself at him. He's a guy and he hasn't gotten any since Rebekah a while ago.* I don't blame him. But still, he chose Damon, and no matter how much he does care about Elena, and no matter how many flirty looks and attempts at seduction Katherine throws his way, Stefan will clearly keep choosing Damon. Because that's what he was doing over and over again… and I loved it so hard. And in that hotel room when she kissed him, it was just the most tangible choice.

* Erm, wrong. vanimy corrected me, he got some from Katherine herself not too long ago, my bad. Still, he's a guy and it was just one night in the middle of a long drought.

He stopped. Which I figured he would even when we saw the preview last week, even when I figured that Katherine was going to pull something. However… when Katherine made the comment that she just broke up with Damon, I actually did have one small moment of doubt that maybe they would sleep together because I realized that it was a reversal of what had happened in "My Brother's Keeper." Elena had just broken up with Stefan and then she slept with Damon. So here we go… but Stefan didn't go there which I didn't see at all as Stefan is the better brother, but rather that that Stefan knew then that Elena was no longer in love with him, but that she was in love with Damon. He knew it. And he knows how that Elena is still in love with Damon and that Damon is in love with her.

I felt that us getting the similar situation there was another reminder that it's Damon and Elena that are the couple we are going on this journey with… they are the long haul here. The ups and downs, the steps, the learning curve, from the two of them, those closest to them are all about growing into what will eventually work best for these two best together. And this was just another example.

Another reversal we got in this episode that I really liked was with Damon and Enzo. In the 50's Damon had to choose between his life and the real likelihood of himself and his friend dying. He chose his own life. Enzo was put in a similar situation tonight. The difference was that Enzo had time to reason out his decision and he had Damon telling him to walk away, to save his own life. Enzo walked away. Thus Damon got some closure and hopefully accepted a bit of forgiveness for that choice from long ago.

It would be nice, because Enzo certainly owes Damon some forgiveness considering the fact that Damon is in this fix a good bit because of Enzo. I do believe that Enzo cares for Damon and he was better in this episode, but man, he's still not the bestest friend ever for Damon. The bottom line is that he's just not the right kind of person that Damon needs in his life when frankly he's not being a self-destructive asshole. Enzo urges on the absolute worst tendencies that Damon has. Damon needs an Alaric (or Matt?) in his life. Not an Enzo, thank you very much. Alas, I do think this particular Enzo will be re-appearing towards the end of the season with whatever that one final experiment Wes Maxfield wanted to perform on him. And it will not spell good news for our gang… particularly Damon and/or Elena. Uh huh.

Speaking of Damon and Elena… obviously we don't have much to talk about for our lovely twosome, but there were a few things. One thing sweet specific to Elena, and a few things not so sweet, and the other bigger thing that was about Elena and Stefan. Obviously, he cares about Enzo, but Enzo completely nailed it when he said that Damon didn't want to call Stefan and Elena because Damon didn't want to attack them. It had absolutely nothing to do with his pride; he simply did not want to risk killing either one of them because he loves them both too much. And that just, ugh, made me all verklempt because, gah, he loves them so, so, so much!

 

You can just see it all over his face when they do show up. He's just devastated when he sees them there. Enzo was right. As much as Damon doesn't want to kill him, he really, really, really doesn't want to kill Stefan and Elena. And that is why he doesn't want to call them. So when they show up, he begs them to leave, he tries to scares them, he just wants them gone, but of course Katherine has to play her stupid, stupid game of trying to get Stefan to kill Damon.

So stupid because Stefan will never, ever willingly kill his brother. Ever. Like ever, ever, ever, ever, EVAR in a million, billion, trillion years. So, so, so stupid. But then we've already figured out that when it comes to actual people emotions, Katherine Pierce, for all her smarts, is very, very stupid. And she clearly truly knows diddly-squat about love, nor does she care anything about it at all. Katherine doesn't want to be in love. Katherine simply wants someone to be in love with her. She wants someone to adore her, to love her completely and absolutely like Elena is loved. And she has decided that that someone is Stefan Salvatore. That is why it doesn't matter to her that Stefan is supposedly into "her" thinking she's Elena. As long as she, Katherine, is getting the benefit of his love and adoration, that is all that matters to her.

But that's Katherine for you, so smart in so many ways and yet so stupid that she actually thinks that Stefan would pick up a stake and jab it straight into his brother's heart. Riiiiiight. Oh, Katherine. You fool. But, man, that scene was SO WELL DONE, from beginning to end. From their arrival with Damon's attempts to keep them from entering, Katherine's attempts to "save" Damon which on paper sounded right but were just off enough to cause Stefan to keep sending her little looks, wondering just why she was doing what she was doing exactly *how* she was doing it. His confusion over how she was pushing Damon as she was, but not able to comprehend why she could be doing anything other than what she was claiming to be doing because the only other alternative was that she wanted him to kill Damon and that simply made no sense. Katherine pushing the stake towards Stefan. Stefan noticing it, but not even hesitating for a second in reaching for it, but instead going for the glass, cutting his own wrist and offering up his blood to Damon, before snapping his neck. Because, of course, the thought did not even remotely cross his mind to kill his brother. At all. Because, hello! Duh! Never, ever, ever, ever, in a million, billion, trillion years, Katherine!

 

So, so, so good. Wonderful execution, wonderful direction by Michael A. Allowitz. I just loved it.

Rewinding a bit… the one sweet bit of Damon and Elena I wanted to point out before I got to the not-so-sweet was Damon's instinctive reaction when he first sensed her presence. (Yeah, yeah, technically we know it's Katherine, but it's just Katherine's spirit inside of Elena's body, so it *is* Elena that Damon is sensing, her scent, etc.) Her breathed her name and got this little smile and his face just softened with this almost glow before it hit him what Elena being there meant. It was just… aaahh, he loves her so very much.

     

*sigh*

However, Damon also hates himself so very much. It was quite depressing at how Damon was able to pick up what had happened with Katherine in that moment (recalling ripper!Jesse, cutting herself, kicking the Stake to Stefan, urging him to kill Damon) and put it all together and yet he was unable to remember that Katherine and Nadia had been working on that spell. That was the alternative to Elena wanting him dead. Even Caroline completely scoffed at the idea that Elena wanted Damon dead. Caroline! But Damon accepted it as if it was a believable alternative because he thinks that little of himself and little of Elena's love in him. Geez, Damon!

And furthermore, I get that for Damon the love of his true love is important to him and that Stefan hasn't exactly done his absolute best in showing his love for his brother, but damn, Damon. Stefan tells him that he'll never give up on him, and instead of taking that to heart, Damon immediately turns it around and is upset because he believes the girl has. For him, it's not enough that he has Stefan, he needs the girl too. And Stefan, man, Stefan just needs his big brother. But big, freaking kudos to Stefan because that boy is making big strides. I think that actually being there when Damon falls apart (without being in love with Elena to distract him and with Damon as competition), could turn out to be a really good thing for Stefan... as awful as that is. Because Stefan has never been able to be there for Damon when Damon needs him. Here is his chance and Stefan is showing that he wants to step up and be there, damnit! Even if Damon is pushing him away still. But that's Damon and Stefan, right there, in a nutshell, ain't it? *Sigh* We need to work on that.

We also need to work on Caroline and her male-oriented issues. It was in character—sadly, sooooo in character—but I REALLY don't like how quickly Caroline was back like an eager puppy trying to get into Tyler's good graces. Ugh. He is a JERK! Yes, she slept with the guy who killed his mother. Yes, that sucks, but is still separate from the two of them, their relationship, and in their relationship, he, Tyler, has treated her, Caroline, terribly. The fact that she's trying to make things "good" with him when he's the one who walked out on her, he's the one who chose revenge over her, he's the one who left her standing alone time and time and time again. And, apparently, he's the one who threatened to kill her?

Yeah, I missed that in the glorious scene where Stefan punched Tyler.

     

Oops! Where did that come from?

I mean. Did I miss that? I got that he was pissed at Caroline, but I certainly didn't get that Tyler was threatening to or about to kill her… like, uhm, at all. OK, then. If that's the case, then, no one better hold any grudge against Damon for the Jeremy thing, thank you very much. Whatever. Anyhoo, the main thing I got from the Tyler/Caroline scenes is that they continue to drive the point home that these two are indeed finished, dunzo, over, finito (so can Tyler leave now, pretty please, kthanxbai!) and that works for me because along with the finished line status of Stefan and Elena that means …

Stefan and Caroline! Yeah, baby! I know I talked about them a bit up top so I won't go into much detail here. I just want to say that I continue to love how they are just slowly setting them up now. The show is slowly dissolving their other romantic entanglements and they are becoming each other's touchstones and I just love it. And on a somewhat shipper note and another slight reversal, things started really beginning to head down that romantic road with Damon and Elena at the beginning of season 03 when Stefan took off into Ripper-land with Klaus and Elena was tracking Stefan's whereabouts with Damon. Now obviously it's not to the same degree at all, but it was similar to when "The Birthday" began with Klaus and Stefan began in some remote house, Stefan ripped off someone's head. Elena came over to the Boarding House with information from Sheriff Forbes about a trail of bodies and when we saw the house later, Stefan had put the body back together. In this episode, we began in another house with Damon and his body, then in that first scene with Stefan and Caroline she came over with information from Sheriff Forbes about bodies that were found and she told him all about it, and of course, back at the house, Damon referenced how Stefan would put the bodies back together-recalling when Stefan had done it in "The Birthday." I just think that subtle parallel between the early true beginning of the romantic partnership of Damon and Elena is being subtlely mirrored here with Stefan and Caroline.

Now on a non-shipper note, the three things I loved about the last scene with these two was the fact that now that Caroline is no longer actively rooting for Stefan and Elena, she's taken off her Damon-is-Evul! glasses and we're getting a much more measured response about him and I appreciate that. I also loved how she made the comment to Stefan "we know Elena, we would realize" and then she kinda stopped and her eyes widened and Candice Accola did a really lovely job here because you could just see the realization dawn on her because they did realize something was off, they just kept making excuses. And those excuses made perfect sense. But my favorite thing was what I thought was a brilliant storytelling device and I have to give credit to Brian Young. He's honestly my least favorite regular Vampire Diaries writer, but I have no complaints about this episode (other than missing Elena and Damon/Elena, but that's not on him). What I loved was how Stefan was giving Katherine looks throughout the trip now and then, but being there you just roll with it because that's just what you do. However, when retelling it to Caroline, it was a great way to really bring it home how OFF she was being because a party who also knows Elena who wasn't there was all 'wait, what!? That doesn't make sense!' Really marvelous storytelling device.

OK, randoms…

- *sigh* Katherine said everyone loves Matt Donovan, that's why he's still alive. The Matt/Katherine shipper in me mourns what could have been. They really could have gone a completely different route with human!Katherine, showing her refocus on her humanity, find love, make a human life. Ah well, what could have been.

- Heh, Damon's "I feel like a blonde" to Maxfield cracked me up.

- When they got to the hotel and Katherine just flopped onto the couch, I was like, man, how can he not know it's Katherine?! That's how Katherine moves! That's Katherine's body language. Elena doesn't do that! I'm not saying it's bad writing, it's just, ugh! You have to keep reminding yourself, we know things that the characters don't! And it's only been four days since Katherine "died." That's only a small stretch of time that each of them have actually spent with her.

- You know, it's really gross that Katherine is using Elena's body to do these things, and I'm not just talking about attempting to seduce Stefan. I mean any and everything. Killing Mia (that's something that Elena would not have done). She's violating Elena—it's really pissing me off. Katherine needs to die. For real. And I hope that when it happens, it's just Katherine, Damon and Stefan there and I want it to be Stefan who does it now because I want Katherine to die knowing that she destroyed even St. Stefan's capability for forgiveness.

- On a totally shallow note, please tell me that I am not the only one who had a thought that if this were a different type of a show it could lead to some kinky threesome bloodplay? I mean, come on!

     

Just me? Really. Come on! I don't even read that type of fic! (And, dang, that first bit there with Ian and Nina, bam! the chemistry is so freaking strong with these two! Like whoah!)

- I really liked Matt and Nadia's conversations about mothers. I thought that Matt was making some really great points, and then boom! Nadia had the killer point and shut him down by hitting it home by saying at the end of the day you're still making those sandwiches because she's your mother and you love her.

- Hahaaa! Matt was playing Nadia. Go Matty!

- I love Matt, the decent one. And I really loved his declaration that he still was the decent one to her, because really he is. He wasn't betraying his decency by trying to warn his friends because what Nadia is doing is *wrong.* Matt's in the right here.

- Breaking free of and pulling at chains = a hot Damon Salvatore! Yum.

 

- I guess the Travellers spell wore off eventually, thus the boys and Katherine got to leave. They just left out that line letting us know figuring Enzo's earlier comment was context enough. OK, then.

- "I know you can't help yourself, but if you bring home a rabid animal, you're gonna get bit." Even chained up, and on his knees, Damon is smirking and snarking because he is awesome. Line delivery, Mr. Somerhalder, line delivery. Delicious.

- Hmm, wasn't expecting this. Stefan 'teaching' Damon how to be a good ripper. I am intrigued. I'm wondering also if we'll get the other vampires donating their blood to Damon. Personally I'd like to see Elena "donating" her blood, if you get my drift. {wink, wink} (If you don't, I'm talking about sexual bloodplay.)

- So Damon referenced a whole bunch of antidotes that he gave Enzo to counteract what Maxfield had given him in "Fifty Shades of Grayson," so I'm guessing there is an antidote to the vampire cannibalism thingie. I'm sure Damon we'll get it by season's end.

- So Tyler has at last done something useful. He bit Nadia. YES! {Doing the happy dance!} Aww, Katherine actually looked like she cared. Eh, she still deserves to die. Die, Katherine, die.

So not the bestest episode ever, but still a fine one and I continue to heartily enjoy this season bunches. WHEE!! So glad to have my show back after the mini-hiatus. :)
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on March 1st, 2014 09:37 am (UTC)
Hey there, thank you for your great analysis, you nailed it, as usual. I thought it was a great episode and I am looking forward to how they are going to free Elena in the next episode.

I just wanted to add something. Technically, what Damon does with his vampire-feeding is bloodharing, right? You mentioned somewhere in your earlier posts that TVD has a habit of taking a former good scene and then twists it, turning it darker. That's what they did here with Katherine offering her hand to Damon. It reminded me of the bloodsharing scene in the bathroom, which was wonderful. Here it was mirrored and twisted. Which highlights also the difference between Damon/Elena and Damon/Katherine.

Arabian: Damon & Elena19arabian on March 2nd, 2014 05:34 am (UTC)
Ooh, that's a really good point. And, yup, I have mentioned that they tend to do that, take earlier scenes and give them either a darker or lighter twist (generally making S/E look worse and D/E look better). In this case, you're right, it showed a twisted darkness to Damon and Katherine to a less-so Damon/Elena moment. Good catch.
tj2013tj2013 on March 3rd, 2014 01:18 pm (UTC)
Great gif. It's one of my always favorite scenes.

Good catch.
Thanks! I try to catch those things, although you always catch A LOT more than I do. :-)

I can't wait for the first talk between Damon and RealElena. I hope we are going to see this.

So you are expecting Katherine to die all alone and without redemption? Harsh. But I agree with you, she could have gone with dignity and she didn't. Because she is a seflish b****. I am still debating with myself who I want to kill her. They all have a reason: Stefan, Damon, Elena, Jeremy, Caroline... But I guess in the end it will be Stefan. Or both brothers. They couldn't kill Kat in "Masquerade". Maybe this time they can do it together.
Arabian: Stefan & Katherine02arabian on March 4th, 2014 05:25 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure we'll see their first talk, but I imagine it'll end pretty painfully. After all, not only will Elena find out that Katherine broke his heart as her, she'll find out that (a) Damon believed it of her, (b) in response he killed Aaron, and (c) threatened to kill Jeremy. NOT GOOD!

So you are expecting Katherine to die all alone and without redemption?

Yup. Why else give her the opportunity to make everything right and have what she wanted (to a degree) in 5.11 only to throw it all away with yet another selfish, selfish, evil choice?

I guess in the end it will be Stefan. Or both brothers. They couldn't kill Kat in "Masquerade". Maybe this time they can do it together.

I'm hoping it will be the brothers and Katherine only together at the end. Katherine will expect Damon to do it, but he'll make it clear that he doesn't care enough and that if he's the one to do it she'll die believing that if it wasn't for him, she would have had her chance with Stefan if it wasn't for him. So then Stefan can kill her with nothing, no emotion, no caring, no love, love forgiveness in his eyes and then Elena, Katherine's spirit dead and gone once and for all, can collapse into Damon's arms. That's what I want anyway.

tj2013tj2013 on March 4th, 2014 11:14 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure we'll see their first talk, but I imagine it'll end pretty painfully. Yeah, probably.

But I keep hoping for this: That Elena keeps (some of) Katherine's memories. I suppose she won't remember the days Kat possessed her body (at least Matt didn't when Gregor was taking over), but maybe, just maybe, Elena remembers for example what Katherine did to Damon in 1x22 and 2x01 ... (not a spoiler, just me speculating). They kind of set it up when Mia did her spell and Elena was running through the forest and Katherine's memories were hitting her.

So then Stefan can kill her with nothing, no emotion, no caring, no love, love forgiveness in his eyes and then Elena, Katherine's spirit dead and gone once and for all, can collapse into Damon's arms. That's what I want anyway.

YES YES PLEASE!!!
Arabian: Damon & Jeremy02arabian on March 4th, 2014 11:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, I do think we'll hopefully have something from 1x22 and 2x01 because we did get that at least, but I don't see that as enough to offset the killing of Aaron and the threatening of Jeremy at this point. What I really want is that while Elena will be upset about threatening Jeremy, I want her to realize that of course he wouldn't go through it and to say that what he did there is not between her and Damon, but that's it's between Damon and Jeremy and that Damon needs to make it right with Jeremy. I would BEYOND love that SO HARD.
tj2013tj2013 on March 4th, 2014 12:01 pm (UTC)
that Damon needs to make it right with Jeremy. I would BEYOND love that SO HARD.

OMG - This! That would be beyond awesome. Those two have really come a long way and they definitely need to talk. I don't care whether Damon serves milk and cookies or bourbon, but oh please, I want to see them sorting it out.
Arabian: Damon & Jeremy01arabian on March 11th, 2014 05:25 am (UTC)
I just don't see how they aren't going there since we had Damon saving Jeremy at the beginning of the season, hugging him after finding out about Bonnie, and then this--threatening him--in the middle of the season. It just seems like it HAS to have a conclusion of sorts towards the end of the season. I can't see it not.
Frust-sheep: sheep: frust-sheep main-snow-anifrust_sheep on March 1st, 2014 07:15 pm (UTC)
Again so insightful arabian! :)
Arabian: Elena11arabian on March 2nd, 2014 05:38 am (UTC)
Thank you. :)
vanimy: Elenavanimy on March 1st, 2014 09:31 pm (UTC)
PART ONE

Sorry for the later posting. I had a migraine last night, so yeah.

Oh, I hope you're feeling better now.

*Sigh* Still missing Elena. {pouts} Subsequently missing Damon and Elena.

Same here, same.

I'm wondering if that's why the ratings are a bit on the lower side... hmmm. Are Damon and Damon/Elena fans boycotting the show again? :rme: Whatever.

Haha, that just goes to show how much I tend to go against the flow! Everyone leaves, not liking the current storyline and I'm like 'Hey, I'm back, I like where the show is going right now!' Give me Damon and Damon/Elena angst andI'm back with a vengeance! :P

I was waiting for your review impatiently! :)

-Katherine in Elena's body. Ugh. Just kill her already please. Like you I felt she didn't even try anymore in this episode. She was so obviously Katherine like I kept expecting Stefan to show he had half a brain all episode but alas he needed Damon and Caroline to FINALLY be able to connect the dots. I mean, it was obvious someone had sabotaged his car, he didn't find weird Elena couldn't care less about Damon when she was always the one bringing up Damon's humanity as early as in season one?? Katherine was also very not subtle in her seduction which is again, something Elena would NEVER do. But I guess you're right, Stefan's a guy! ;)

BTW Stefan did get some not so long ago, not with Rebekah but with Katherine ironically. ;) Which is also why I kept shaking my head in despair when Stefan couldn't even tell the difference even though he kissed Katherine not so long ago. Same with 'Elena' proving a point. Really? By cutting her skin and shoving her blood in Damon's face? Again, *sigh* very not much like Elena. Turning Damon around, yep, touching his face or his arm lovingly, yep, all but wiping her blood on his face, NOPE!

Stefan.... This storyline lasted enough, I'm afraid.

I wonder if it's the whole point is not getting a few Stefan/'Elena' scenes for the Stelena shippers without making Elena look like a slut and keeping the Damon/Elena relationship intact.

Or just for us to realize Elena's the center of this show and without her, there's no damn point?

Anyway, Katherine, DIE, please and thank you!

Arabian: Elena02arabian on March 2nd, 2014 06:00 am (UTC)
I'm feeling better, thanks. :)

Haha, that just goes to show how much I tend to go against the flow!

I don't know if ratings are down because of that, I'm just assuming because of the bitchy negative that sent me running from tumblr and the like, LOL! Fandom overall is just so freaking negative that I just don't even want to go anywhere near it. This show is so good and all people do is find things to complain about it. It's a drama, of course it's not going to be sunshine and roses, geez!

Katherine in Elena's body. Ugh. Just kill her already please.

Yup.

alas he needed Damon and Caroline to FINALLY be able to connect the dots.

I totally get it though. He genuinely believed that Katherine had changed. Because she believed she had. Until the very end there, she had genuinely wanted to redeem herself to regain Stefan's love and that is what Stefan had been seeing. So he truly believed that she was gone. And so all he saw was an Elena who, yes, was acting off and out of character a bit, but he and Caroline and the others already had their explanation: She was upset about the situation with Damon and was pretending she wasn't upset about it. They knew it didn't quite fit, but they couldn't figure out what else it could be, so that had to be it.

he didn't find weird Elena couldn't care less about Damon when she was always the one bringing up Damon's humanity as early as in season one?

Because of the break-up and because she was forcing herself to not care. That's why the whole break-up in 5.10 from Damon's end was necessary, all of that stuff had to happen leading into what happened in 5.11 and beyond had to happen to push "Elena" to have enough and feel the need to finally push Damon away. But it's so hard so she's forcing herself to not care. And that is why even though it doesn't make sense, it's supposed to not make sense because, of course, Elena doesn't really not care, she's just making herself not care. The show set it up so that Katherine could take advantage of the situation perfectly.

Katherine was also very not subtle in her seduction which is again, something Elena would NEVER do. But I guess you're right, Stefan's a guy! ;)

And she's dealing with the whole Damon-break-up situation and because Elena DID sleep with Damon seconds after she broke up with Stefan, there is a believable part of Stefan that can buy that maybe Elena WOULD do that. And he's being the better, noble brother by backing off. It's all in character when you look at all the pieces in play.

BTW Stefan did get some not so long ago, not with Rebekah but with Katherine ironically.

Hah, I totally forgot that, LOL!

I kept shaking my head in despair when Stefan couldn't even tell the difference even though he kissed Katherine not so long ago.

Well, to be fair--this IS Elena he's kissing. It IS her body, it is her lips, it is her scent. But, it should be a different style of kissing... so, yeah, bad Stefan. He always did suck at differentiating between the two.

I wonder if it's the whole point is not getting a few Stefan/'Elena' scenes for the Stelena shippers without making Elena look like a slut and keeping the Damon/Elena relationship intact.

Honestly, I do think that's one of the main points. There's no other way to give S/E scenes at this point. They are so done. Done, finished, over. YAY!

But I think it's actually important character-wise in terms of the main three and their relationships with each other. Elena needs to know just how deeply Damon's self-loathing and lack of belief that he can be loved goes. Damon needs to realize how deep Stefan's love for him goes. And Damon needs to realize that the others DO care about him. And Stefan needs to realize that he needs to step up and truly, fully be there for his brother without letting a girl come between them. This arc may likely turn out to be key in cracking open the door to a true reconcilliation between the brothers down the road.
vanimy: Damon/Stefanvanimy on March 1st, 2014 09:31 pm (UTC)
PART TWO

-Coming back to the Stefan/Katherine scene in that hotel room. I saw people on tumblr commenting that it showed Stefan was the better brother because he didn't sleep with 'Elena' while Damon did when Elena had just broken up with Stefan. I'm so pissed about that comment I can't even.

So not the same thing!

Even if you take the fact it wasn't even Elena here out of the equation, it's totally a different context. First, Stefan and Elena broke up BECAUSE of Damon and Elena's feelings about him. Here, Elena broke up with Damon over something that had nothing to do with Stefan. Second, Damon and Elena weren't all over each other while searching for Stefan who was self-destructing somewhere and going on a killing spree which is the case with Damon right now.

So no, just because Stefan said no in this hotel room doesn't mean he's better than Damon.

-Completely agree on how stupid Katherine is when it comes to reading people. She's known the brothers the longest and she still doesn't know Stefan will always always choose his brother. STUPID.

-Stefan cutting himself made me think of Twilight with Bella doing it to save Edward. Damon/Stefan=OTP.

-I like Enzo, I really do. I agree he's not the best influence on Damon right now but I felt his loyalty was really welcome. Also, he had some good lines.

-Damon. Oh my, all the feels in this episode. I especially loved how vulnerable he acted with Stefan and Katherine in the house and the horror he felt at the thought of hurting them. Oh, Damon, you are my favorite, you know that? And my heart broke too when he said Elena wanted Stefan to kill him... :( Damon saw what was in front of him, contrary to Stefan but of course he didn't draw the right conclusion. Because "when I stay, I destroy things.' Ugh, the feels.

-This episode also gave me all the Damon/Stefan feels. I too very much like this version of Stefan and I like the fact he's finally admitting to himself how much his brother means to him.

-The Damon/Elena fix was alas reduced to Damon's reaction when he sensed' Elena' nearby. The way he said her name... Oh my. I always love the way he says it. Also Enzo referred to Elena as being Damon's true love. Aww.

-Caroline. Like you I felt she should've had more pride when it comes to Tyler but it indeed was in character. I couldn't blame her, sometimes we sweep some stuff under the rug because the thought of being hated by someone that matters is too much to bear. I also like the fact she's no longer anti Damon when it comes to Elena.

-Stefan and Caroline were cute as always and FINALLLLLLLY figured out Elena wasn't really Elena (Thank God Matt's there though). It reminded me a lot of the sire bond conversation heh. I too liked the way Caroline was all like 'that's impossible, we-' *trailing off* etc until she finally can't find excuses anymore and she's all like 'GODDAMMIT this is so Not Elena'.

*cuts to Stefan being all dejected because he's been fooled by Katherine for the umpteenth time*

*cuts to credits*

Me : 'AT F****** LAST...'

Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on March 2nd, 2014 06:35 am (UTC)
First, Stefan and Elena broke up BECAUSE of Damon and Elena's feelings about him.

Well, I don't actually agree with that completely. I think that Elena broke up with Stefan because her and Stefan weren't working and her feelings for Damon, as well as the whole 'I'm a vampire now' thing were a convenient excuse. They broke up because Elena grew up when Stefan took off with Klaus and she and Stefan no longer fit.

Here, Elena broke up with Damon over something that had nothing to do with Stefan.

But, yes, Damon was part of why she and Stefan broke up. When she was falling out of love with Stefan, she was also falling in love with Damon at the same time. So it was tied into it as well.

Second, Damon and Elena weren't all over each other while searching for Stefan who was self-destructing somewhere and going on a killing spree which is the case with Damon right now.

Yup, yup, yup.

So no, just because Stefan said no in this hotel room doesn't mean he's better than Damon.

Yeah, like I said, I'm not actually reading any other blogs, twitter or tumblr, but I just assumed that others were saying this. And, oh, look, I was right.

I like Enzo, I really do. I agree he's not the best influence on Damon right now but I felt his loyalty was really welcome. Also, he had some good lines.

I agree; I like Enzo too. Honestly, I think a good twist would be to reveal that Enzo's in love with Damon because he sure acts like he is.

Because "when I stay, I destroy things.'

Yeah, that line really got to me. That's one thing I don't think I've ever really touched upon in all of my many, many meandering thoughts on Damon, but it really does fit with him. Oh, Damon. Yup, all the feels in the world for Damon. He just keeps breaking my heart over and over again.

This episode also gave me all the Damon/Stefan feels.

SO HARD!

I too very much like this version of Stefan and I like the fact he's finally admitting to himself how much his brother means to him.

And like I said in response to your last comment, this I think is one of the absolute KEY reasons why they are doing this arc. It's for Damon and Stefan and for Stefan getting to this point.

I too liked the way Caroline was all like 'that's impossible, we-' *trailing off* etc until she finally can't find excuses anymore and she's all like 'GODDAMMIT this is so Not Elena'.

*cuts to Stefan being all dejected because he's been fooled by Katherine for the umpteenth time*


LMAO!

*cuts to credits*

Me : 'AT F****** LAST...'

Again, to be fair... it's only been about 4 days, and other than Stefan--who let's be real, isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and has been fooled by Katherine plenty!--none of them have spent a huge amount of time with her. Four days isn't that long in the scheme of things. We're talking two episodes, most TV shows we'd have to sit through this for a lot longer!

Edited at 2014-03-02 06:35 am (UTC)
vanimy: Rebekahvanimy on March 1st, 2014 09:32 pm (UTC)
PART THREE

- On a totally shallow note, please tell me that I am not the only one who had a thought that if this were a different type of a show it could lead to some kinky threesome bloodplay? I mean, come on!

Haha, no, I think you're alone! :P

Personally I'd like to see Elena "donating" her blood, if you get my drift. {wink, wink} (If you don't, I'm talking about sexual bloodplay.)

But THAT I agree with you on! I want a sexy scene, we were robbed of that with Elena being a vampire when she got together with Damon, so yeah, I want that. :P

- So Tyler has at last done something useful. He bit Nadia. YES! {Doing the happy dance!} Aww, Katherine actually looked like she cared. Eh, she still deserves to die. Die, Katherine, die.

That felt very much like the end of 2x20-2x21 with Katherine looking at Damon's arm in horror and Damon revealing to Stefan "Tyler Lockwood bit me." I guess it's supposed to be kinda reminiscent of that. Does it mean Katherine will try to strike a deal with Klaus to save Nadia? Or to show the difference with Stefan, she'll just flee again? (speculating here, not following the spoilers at all).

Which reminds me that Katherine seemed to care about Damon in 2x20 to 2x22 and later on and then the writers turn around and write her as wanting Stefan to kill him. So it's either OOC or Katherine is bipolar.


Edited at 2014-03-01 09:33 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Katherine04arabian on March 2nd, 2014 07:26 am (UTC)
Haha, no, I think you're alone! :P

Hah! No, one other person said they saw it too! Haha!!

I want a sexy scene, we were robbed of that with Elena being a vampire when she got together with Damon

Yes, we were, damnit! We better get one now!

That felt very much like the end of 2x20-2x21 with Katherine looking at Damon's arm in horror and Damon revealing to Stefan "Tyler Lockwood bit me." I guess it's supposed to be kinda reminiscent of that.

Hmm, I didn't get that. But I can see where you would.

Does it mean Katherine will try to strike a deal with Klaus to save Nadia? Or to show the difference with Stefan, she'll just flee again? (speculating here, not following the spoilers at all).

I don't think so. Klaus isn't on this show, and I can't see them pulling Klaus back to TVD for this reason. I mean no one cares about Nadia except for Katherine and even if Katherine were to reveal herself to Klaus (which she wouldn't do), Klaus wouldn't help her daughterr, he'd kill her or laugh in Katherine's face and say it's what she deserved. Now, if Julie wasn't so determined to completely spit in the face of the Elijah/Katherine love story she created on TVD, yes, Katherine could go to Elijah and ask him to ask Klaus, but since she has pretty much done so over on The Originals (me, bitter? Nah!), that ain't going to happen. So, yeah, I don't see Klaus coming into play at all in this story.

I think because of how awful Katherine has been here, she's going to lose EVERYTHING before she dies. She actually had a chance when she became human to go out gracefully. She was building somewhat of a friendly-ish relationship with Matt and Caroline. Stefan cared about her, had pretty much forgiven her, as had Elena. Damon had all but given up his hatred. She had her daughter, who she thought died 500 years ago, in her life. Katherine could have lived out her final months in relative, true happiness. And instead she chose a selfish, vindictive, evil road... like she always does. And so I think she's going to pay the ultimate price. She's going to lose her daughter because of her selfish choices again, and I think (at least I really, really hope so) that Stefan is going to be the one who kills her without an ouce of love or forgiveness in his eyes.

Which reminds me that Katherine seemed to care about Damon in 2x20 to 2x22 and later on and then the writers turn around and write her as wanting Stefan to kill him. So it's either OOC or Katherine is bipolar.

No, it's not OOC, it's Katherine. She does care about Damon, it's just that he's now become a nuisance and is getting in the way of her happiness. Well, let me rephrase the beginning of that statement. She DID care about Damon, but that was when he was still cared about her and she could manipulate him through his feelings for her. She has zero control over him now, so therefore he can't do anything for her anymore so he is of no use to her. That's completely 100% in character for Katherine. For Katherine, at the end of the day, it's ALL ABOUT KATHERINE.
Florencia: DE (I Died)florencia7 on March 2nd, 2014 12:18 am (UTC)
I hope your migraine is gone by now! *hugs*

Even though this time I had no delusions that this ep was going to be nice & I was fully prepared for Elena not coming back just yet, it was still so painful to watch (especially Damon thinking Elena wanted him dead *sobs*) & I was soooooo waiting for your analysis to heal the wounds, as always ♥ ♥ Thank you!

“She tried to make Stefan kill Damon.” - In a way that was just gruesome but delightful icing on the cake, because: is there anything more evil Katherine could possibly do in relation to Damon & Stefan? I hope that was a symbolic signing of her death sentence & that her story will come to an end in the next episode.

”Not an Enzo, thank you very much.” - Agreed, but he does get bonus points for calling Elena Damon's True Love ;)

”Alas, I do think this particular Enzo will be re-appearing towards the end of the season with whatever that one final experiment Wes Maxfield wanted to perform on him. And it will not spell good news for our gang… particularly Damon and/or Elena” - Yeah, I second this prediction! The whole Wes+Travellers plot is creepy. Although on the other hand, right now, I can't think of anything more creepy than Katherine inhabiting Elena's body. Not sure how things can get any worse than that.

”As long as she, Katherine, is getting the benefit of his love and adoration, that is all that matters to her. ” - That's one of the saddest things here, really. It seems like an ultimate proof of Katherine not being able to love anyone, not even herself, actually, because for every healthily thinking person the kind of situation she's in with Stefan wouldn't be a source of utter glee & satisfaction.

”but I certainly didn't get that Tyler was threatening to or about to kill her… like, uhm, at all.” - SAME! I didn't get that impression AT ALL.

But speaking of Tyler, here is a thought, if he was the one to kill Katherine – him surviving for all these seasons would actually make sense! lol

”I just think that subtle parallel between the early true beginning of the romantic partnership of Damon and Elena is being subtlely mirrored here with Stefan and Caroline.” - I caught that too and I LOVE it :)

”You know, it's really gross that Katherine is using Elena's body to do these things” - I feel the same way, makes me cringe every time. Let this storyline be over, please *headdesk*

”I want it to be Stefan who does it now because I want Katherine to die knowing that she destroyed even St. Stefan's capability for forgiveness.” - I'm torn, because on the one hand, I'd LOVE for it to be Stefan for obvious reasons, but on the other hand I don't want Stefan to be the first thing Elena sees when she comes back. So as far as wishes are concerned, I think I want it to be Damon or Matt.

”please tell me that I am not the only one who had a thought that if this were a different type of a show it could lead to some kinky threesome bloodplay?” - lol I was thinking that too, and for once I was glad it was Katherine in that scene! ^^ Can't deal with threesome thoughts when it comes to my OTP haha

”Hmm, wasn't expecting this. Stefan 'teaching' Damon how to be a good ripper. I am intrigued.” - I'm intrigued too, because I thought Stefan never learned to be a good ripper? Lol Just to try not being a ripper... which is maybe the same thing? We'll see.

”so I'm guessing there is an antidote to the vampire cannibalism thingie. I'm sure Damon we'll get it by season's end” - I hope sooner!!?! Although if Stefan will be successful in his teachings, maybe this matter will become less urgent. Not to mention that, can't Damon & Elena just have a blood-sharing session every 4 hours or so? Lol

I love love love LOVE reading your thoughts!!! ♥
Arabian: Damon14arabian on March 2nd, 2014 07:55 am (UTC)
Feeling much better, thanks! :)

I hope that was a symbolic signing of her death sentence & that her story will come to an end in the next episode.

I really think it will, I just can't see it not at this point. I think they've done a wonderful job with this arc and that it's done what is needed for Damon, and really Stefan--which is step up to the plate for his brother.

But speaking of Tyler, here is a thought, if he was the one to kill Katherine – him surviving for all these seasons would actually make sense! lol

Nooooooo! Tyler Lockwood does NOT get to kill Katherine. No way! Nuh uh!

”I just think that subtle parallel between the early true beginning of the romantic partnership of Damon and Elena is being subtlely mirrored here with Stefan and Caroline.” - I caught that too and I LOVE it :)

Oh, so glad it wasn't only me!

Let this storyline be over, please *headdesk*

Hmm, you say that as if you're hating the storyline and I'm not at all. I mean, obviously I miss Elena and D/E, but while I do find it predictable, they've done exactly what I've hoped which is used this story to bring out some fantastic character stuff. I just have loved it. I said above that the point of this storyline I think has been really great for our main three. It's important character-wise in terms of them and their relationships with each other. Elena needs to know just how deeply Damon's self-loathing and lack of belief that he can be loved goes. Damon needs to realize how deep Stefan's love for him goes. And Damon needs to realize that the others DO care about him. And Stefan needs to realize that he needs to step up and truly, fully be there for his brother without letting a girl come between them. This arc may likely turn out to be key in cracking open the door to a true reconcilliation between the brothers down the road. And it also does that for the other things I've highlighted. So I've actually really enjoyed it from a storytelling point of view.

I don't want Stefan to be the first thing Elena sees when she comes back.

But Elena wouldn't. She'd pass out. Remember, when Gregor was taking out, Matt passed out. I know that Elena is a vampire, so she'd heal/wake up quicker, but I don't see how she wouldn't still pass out. So I think as "Katherine" died, Elena would black out so the last thing that Katherine would see would be Stefan's utter lack of feeling for her. And when Elena wakes up in Damon's arms, she'd see... Damon.

So as far as wishes are concerned, I think I want it to be Damon or Matt.

Uhm, I wouldn't want it to be Matt... AT ALL. That would send a very, very, VERY scary message to my shipper heart.

lol I was thinking that too, and for once I was glad it was Katherine in that scene! ^^ Can't deal with threesome thoughts when it comes to my OTP haha

Thank goodness it wasn't only me. And, yes, VERY glad that it was Katherine there and NOT Elena.

I'm intrigued too, because I thought Stefan never learned to be a good ripper? Lol Just to try not being a ripper... which is maybe the same thing? We'll see.

Yes, knowing the steps is the key, I think, LOL!

”so I'm guessing there is an antidote to the vampire cannibalism thingie. I'm sure Damon we'll get it by season's end” - I hope sooner!!?! Although if Stefan will be successful in his teachings, maybe this matter will become less urgent. Not to mention that, can't Damon & Elena just have a blood-sharing session every 4 hours or so? Lol

I'm OK with the not sooner because I figure that Damon can get vamp blood from Elena, Stefan, heck even Caroline (they can just pump it into bags) or he can get it from the source with Elena! until they get the antidote.
Florencia: Elenaflorencia7 on March 3rd, 2014 01:27 am (UTC)
"Hmm, you say that as if you're hating the storyline and I'm not at all." - Oh no, I'm not hating the storyline at all either! It's just so painful to watch that while on the, let's call it, intellectual level I totally love it, on the emotional level I feel so heartbroken I want it to be over ^^
Arabian: Elena08arabian on March 3rd, 2014 08:20 am (UTC)
Ah, OK, I just wondered. I think because I feel so confident that it's all going to turn out OK eventually that I'm just going with the flow here so I'm good.
jairem08jairem08 on March 3rd, 2014 09:29 pm (UTC)
I'm currently travelling and won't be able to watch this episode till Friday. But thank you for the review. I'm feeling good about it. I think all is looking up. I'm so happy there is someone this positive about TVD and enjoys real drama and show that we are getting. I'm not letting myself fall into negativity. Not till the end. I will comment more once I watched the episode.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on March 4th, 2014 05:27 am (UTC)
I really am just enjoying the heck out of the story and I can see a clear narrative on display here. I think a lot of people seem to forget that this is a DRAMA. Do they honestly expect hearts and flowers? LOL! I'm just loving it, it's so good and everything is coming from the characters and their history and flaws and foibles that we've been introduced to do over the seasons. LOVING IT. I look forward to hearing what you think after you watch it.
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on March 11th, 2014 10:44 pm (UTC)
I don't have a lot to say about this one - not now anyway.

>> Katherine doesn't want to be in love. Katherine simply wants someone to be in love with her.

I think that hits the nail on the head, which explains all her past behaviour and the incompatible declarations of love she’d recently made for both Stefan and Elijah. But then it makes it odd that she didn’t take Damon’s love in that regard, perhaps he was too easy?

I still like Enzo.

Arabian: Damon03arabian on March 12th, 2014 07:54 am (UTC)
I think it was a combination that Damon was too easy and also that frankly she just wasn't as into him as she was into both Stefan and Elijah. While she doesn't want to be in love, she wants to believe she's in love and for whatever reason Damon just doesn't do it for her. Maybe it's the bad boy thing. You could see even when he was very much less the bad boy as a human, there was the hint of it here and there, while Stefan was so noble, the straight and narrow--like Elijah. Clearly that's Katherine's type. Damon even as a human was the rebel (abandoning the war, etc).

I still like Enzo too, he's just not the right kind of friend for Damon at this point in time with either's state of mind.
Alisha: Star Quality Pattikalishaka on November 15th, 2014 06:07 pm (UTC)
I really really enjoyed this episode. I didn't feel the missing Elena connection this episode because the focus was off of Jeremy and fully placed on Damon and that is where making Stefan 'the heart' really works best, because he is still carrying the largest portion of the main characters' emotional weight this episode. God! I don't even know if I have the words for how much Stefan and his love for Damon broke me this episode. The moment Katherine asked Nadia "Who do you think Stefan loves more, Elena or Damon?" I knew where this was headed and it still was even better than I could have dreamed. There has been one consistent reality about this show from the very beginning, one relationship that has trumped every other bit of relationship drama, town drama, and supernatural bullshit the show could throw, and that relationship is Stefan and Damon, or at the very least the Stefan half of that relationship. There is nothing Stefan would not give up for his brother. Stefan never even blinked. He cut his own arm. Snapped Damon's neck. And took him home like he always does. To protect him. To bring him back. Because Damon is Stefan's weakness. Damon is what makes or breaks him every time. God bless this show for taking the time that is Elena being out of the picture, to hit home exactly how vital the Stefan/Damon relationship is. I just want to roll around in my Salvatore brother feelings until the end of time.

There is honestly nothing for me to say on the Stefan/Katherine/Elena thing you pretty much said exactly how I feel. I really love how the show took this time, when Elena is out of the picture, to also really let you see how Stefan feels about Elena. How Stefan views the relationship they had versus the one they have now. Like honestly, as much as I still DESPISE the Katherine taking over Elena thing, the show really has utilized it in a great way to tell Stefan's story, to remind people in the midst of the Delena love story that is epic and wonderful, that Stefan is still one of three main characters and there is a reason for that. I feel so much love for Stefan right now. It's been so long. I forgot how overwhelming it could be.

I like that they made the realization of the potential Katherine/Elena switch come from a conversation between Stefan and Caroline. One, it is a great way to show their connection, but secondly, and perhaps most importantly, it kind of shows their growth together, their realization and acceptance of who Damon is to Elena. Their reasons and reactions are different, but considering where they were a season ago, it's just a wonderful moment of growth.

I actually enjoyed Tyler this episode. I mean the Tyler/Caroline scenes were uncomfortable but in a very real to character way. And I feel like anytime I don't want Tyler to die should be noted. It happens so rarely.