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31 January 2014 @ 01:47 am
5.12 - 'The Devil Inside' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Please do not reference spoilers, upcoming episode synopses and stills (including your reaction—good or bad—to them), interviews/tweets with cast, crew, writers, etc. Basically anything about the show that hasn't aired yet. Thank you.

Another week, another Vampire Diaries episode… whee!! You know the drill, behind the cut!

Well, as expected what happened with Katherine in Elena's body was entirely and absolutely predictable. However, the execution of it all was just amazing. I loved it. And that is all I ask for. I can deal with predictable… predictable doesn't bother me as long as the execution is flawless and as long as we get great character awesomeness out of the story. And I believe that we will, yes, I do because the set-up was so brilliantly done in this episode. Katherine put everything into motion—using poor Matty as her tool once again, this time to get all of her Elena information needs, giving Damon a believable reason for making the break-up stick, and declaring her Stefan-shaped intentions.

Speaking of Stefan—while I may have broken up with Paul Wesley and his 'don't give a damn' style of acting of late, I still love Stefan and boy, did he show why I love him in this episode all over the place. First off, now that he genuinely seems to be at peace with his feelings for Elena—in that he loves her, will always love her, but he's not in love with her anymore—he's openly showing his loyalty for his brother and how important he is to him. Elena makes Damon happy; Elena makes Damon a better man. Therefore, Stefan believes that Elena should be with Damon, end of story. Good boy, Stefan.

Secondly, one of the things that I believed that would always eventually come to play in the series is resolution for Stefan and Katherine. I even thought briefly between the tail-end of season 01 and some of season 02 that they might be endgame, but it was never even close to a given. Now, I'm pretty close to convinced there is no chance in hell that's gonna happen. The whole point of the doppelganger story, I believe, is that because of those two who started it (Silas and Amara) and their betrayal their look-a-likes are not fated to be, but rather they are destined to love and not find happiness because of that original sin. After all, where are Silas and Amara now? Separated for eternity. And this brings us to Katherine and Stefan.

For all I talk about Stefan not being Saint Stefan, he *is* a good guy, and aside from his ripper tendencies when his switch his is off and his somewhat selfish side, he is a better man than Damon (for all that I adore me some Damon). Stefan does try not to hurt people. He does try to be nice. He isn't needlessly cruel and spiteful and nasty to people. He's a good guy (for a vampire). Katherine? Is not one of the good guys. At all. She has her moments, but she is evil. She really is bad. She is given opportunity after opportunity to make the right choice, do the right thing and time after time after time she makes the worst, most selfish, awful choice imaginable. Because she's a survivor. Yay! Yeah, that's always her claim, but it's not really always the reason. She's also just mean. Did I laugh when she deliberately let Tyler overhear her and Caroline discuss the Klaus-sex? Yes. Was it still cruel and completely unnecessary? Yes. And she did this to one of the few people she said she sorta liked (Caroline). Killing Mia, the Traveler, was that necessary? No, but she did it anyway, just because it made it easier for Katherine. She's just not a nice person. In fact, she's awful. And she hasn't grown or changed or shown any redemptive qualities all that much. So, no, she will not be Stefan's endgame. Not going to happen. On the other hand…

Paging Miss Caroline Forbes. Yeah, I so did not miss that last bit there after Katherine claimed that Stefan was her one true love and Nadia said she'd hate to be the person standing in her way, cut to close-up of… Caroline. Uh huh. Now excuse me while I squee my way to my final reason for loving Stefan this episode. OH MY GOODNESS! Boy, oh boy, did I love my Stefan/Caroline feels this episode. SQUEE! Who'da thunk it would have been Stefan who finally got Caroline off of her 'down with Damon/Elena' mindset? Not me, but whee! And then, and then… DOUBLE WHEE! HE PUNCHED TYLER 'HE WHO SERVES NO PURPOSE TO EXIST' LOCKWOOD IN THE FACE! SEE!?

     

IT WAS GLORIOUS! SO GLORIOUS THAT I CAN'T UNCAP!!! G-L-O-R-I-O-U-S! (OK, uncapping.) Stefan Salvatore gets an A+ for the episode for that GLORIOUS moment alone! And he did it all in the name of protecting Caroline's, uhm, OK I don't know why he did it actually because Tyler was just telling Caroline to go. Yeah, OK, fine he did the angry werewolf face, but that had already faded by the time Stefan punched him. Tyler just said, you know, "exactly" after Caroline left. He did, sorta, kinda, totally have a reason to be upset. She slept with the guy who, you know, is EVIL and killed his mother and his pack and tortured the holy hell out of all of them, and you know, KILLED HIS MOTHER! But, he was making Caroline cry so that was enough to make Stefan punch him in the face and it was Tyler 'He Who Serves No Purpose To Exist' Lockwood. So it was glorious! A+ Stefan!

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And then, and then, and then… TRIPLE WHEE! That final scene with them was so freaking awesome. They are so precious! I ♥ them so much. So, so, so, soooooooo cute. Look at their faces in that last gif! Don't you just want to smoosh them?! I want to smoosh them over and over and over again at their utter adorableness!

 

The way that Caroline feels horrible and guilty, but she knows that she can go to Stefan. The way that Stefan doesn't judge her at all (whereas he always, let's get real, judges everyone else—even Elena!). The way that Stefan was even able to use the example of him and Katherine recently to let Caroline know he wasn't just using platitudes, but he meant it. The way he said the words she thought she needed to hear, but of course didn't mean them, and instead of making her cry, he made her laugh. The way they made each other smile. The way they are so perfect and so right for each other. They make each other better, they bring out the best in each other which is what true love should do for people. Like, oh, Damon and Elena.

I loved that Damon got that Elena is too strong and that he wasn't giving her enough credit, even if he was also not giving himself enough credit for not being strong enough himself. (Which, I suppose he was right about. Ahem, more on that later.) I loved that he was so open with his heart, admitting his weakness, his darkness to her and that he needed her, her goodness, her light. It was a beautiful moment; it made me verklempt. And it showed, like with the Stefan and Caroline stuff, that couples work when they bring out the best in each other and had it actually been Elena he was speaking to, we all know that her response would have been to embrace his words. She would have embraced his openness. Elena would have welcomed his honesty, his complete vulnerability, his love for her and it likely would have begun a brighter phase in their relationship.

Instead… Katherine. Grrr. Once again stealing a beautiful moment that should have been Damon and Elena's where he pours his heart out to who he believes is Elena and instead it winds up sends him spiraling down a path that screws him over. Not to say that it isn't somewhat (OK, fine, mostly) on him. Remember at that top of the post where I talked about Katherine and the wrong choices that she continually makes. Damon, my beloved Damon, he has that problem too. Of course, it doesn't quite compare to Katherine. His wrong choices are generally born out of pain, desperation and/or the self-loathing need to prove that everyone is right about him and that he is the worst! On the other hand, hers generally come out of, yes, the need to survive, but also cruelty, selfishness and simply the desire to screw with people because, hey, why not?

Still, Damon Salvatore makes bad choices. Case in point: Roadside, dark night, Aaron Whitmore. Dead now, thanks to Damon Salvatore and his old/new BFF Enzo. Above I mentioned that Damon gave Elena the deserved credit that she's too strong to be ruined by him. I agree with that. But that he also downplayed his own strength by saying he couldn't possibly be strong enough to ruin her, which obviously is a good thing. But he's still downplaying himself. Meaning that he believes that he's weak. This action at episode's end proves that he's right.In many ways, Damon is very strong. He's smart, he loves unconditionally and loyally.

He's brave, but he is weak when it comes to being a better man. He has been told—going back to even before he was turned—that he's not good enough and he believes this so soul-deep that all it takes is one person he cares about telling him this so that he's teetering on the brink.Then he's got the thought of Elena reeling him back in, "she" supposedly rebuffs him and just like that, he's over the edge. That quickly, he falls over. He has that little faith in himself. I did a lot of analysis in season 02 and 03 about how I loved that it wasn't just Elena that Damon cared about, but that clearly Ric, Stefan and even Jeremy mattered to Damon as well because it showed that he wasn't just becoming "better" for Elena, but because that capability was within him. Elena simply allowed him to see that it was possible and because others cared as well and he cared for them, he was able to begin to fulfill that potential.

With Ric gone and because of Stefan's absence in his life, the Ripper situation, the switch off (during season 03), what happened with Damon and Elena throughout season 04, Stefan in the safe and the aftereffects (the summer hiatus and season 05 so far), Damon hasn't had that bigger core beyond Elena so much. Jeremy is there, and I love me some Matt and Damon, but they're not really his bros, they're more like little puppies he orders around now and then when he needs things done. So that potential has shrunk back to being just about Elena especially when with the two of them together now, Caroline's been so vocally against them and so vocally anti-Damon. And it's pretty much a given that no one has been vocally pro-Damon. So it makes sense that Damon has once more shrunk back into the belief that he's doing this 'better man' thing *only* for Elena. That he can't actually be better for any other reason, for anyone else because no one else expects it of him. No one else really cares. Stefan said that on the stairs the other day, but one sentence amidst a lifetime of 'you're less than' gets lost in the noise.

I know that there is concern that this is erasing some (if not all) of the wonderful character development of Damon so far, but I think we've been building up to something like this all along if it heads to where I think it is. Again, this is a guy with major, major self-esteem issues and you need positive reinforcement to keep positive change. Damon gets barely any. And, thanks to Katherine (grr!), the sole positive reinforcement he was getting was just ripped away from him, so naturally he's gonna backslide. It makes sense. We're talking literally nearly 200 years of self-loathing at play here that has to be countered against. That's a lot. so, *sigh* I don't know how long Damon's spiral will last, but I think he needs to go through this one more time before he really realizes this is not who he is. Think about it, since we've met him once he became better (around episode 1.12) he's never really gone for any long stretch of being "bad" so this would be it. Maybe he needs that reminder, that realization that he's truly NOT that guy any more.

And again, I still think this very well could be heading to Damon realizing that he is better than, but it may take the rest of the season. And if it plays out as strongly as this episode, I'm all for it because this one was a keeper. I mean, man, just the perfection of the execution of the transfer. From Elena coming through the second time and quietly taking it all in, assessing the situation and making her move when the time was right, fighting her way out was nicely done. Meanwhile at the party, Damon showed up and couldn't come in so he called for Matt, who didn't hear him because, of course, he would have invited Damon in! So Damon goes wandering off and we knew that Elena and Damon were going to run into each other. It was predictable, it was textbook. Of course it was going to happen, of course! Wait, right? They're gonna do it, right?!

You watch, you wait with baited breath, waiting for it to happen… are they gonna do it? When is it coming? Please, let it happen! Elena pulls out her phone, and it's so freaking smart and so Katherine that she locked the phone with a password Elena would never guess. So perfect. And Mia and Nadia are waking up and the spell continues. And now Elena's stumbling through the woods and flashback after flashback of Katherine's life bursts through her mind. And then we see Damon and then Elena sees him and they're running to each other and they come into each other's arms and it's one of those AAAHHHH! epic (an actual *epic* moment) and it's wonderful and beautiful and squee-worthy and fabulous and then her eyes turn black and cut to that freaking creepy Mia and "it's done." Suddenly, you're screaming a different AAAAHHHH! Totally predictable, but perfectly predictable in the best way possible. Angst-ridden and painful, but so well done. I loved it. I mean, I hated it, but I loved it, I loved it, I loved it. Ooh, but I hated it.

 
 

And I was dying during Damon's speech to her. It was killing me because if it was Elena hearing him, she would have been shushing him and holding him and touching his face and stroking his hair and kissing him and telling him she loved him, and AAAAHHHHH! But it was Katherine. GGRRR! Gaaahhh! Katherine!! And that fucking evil smile on her face as she walked away after breaking his heart AGAIN! That perfectly perfect Elena speech she gave him that wasn't Elena, but was. If Elena wasn't in love with Damon. If Elena was ready to be done. Most likely the same damn variation of the speech she gave to Matt when she broke up with him (callback to the beginning when Katherine wanted to know how exactly Elena broke up with him). Damn you, Katherine. I love you, but I hate you. And I really, really hope that by the end of this season you are dead-dead. D-E-A-D! Dead.

And, you know, I really think she might be. I think this season is not only giving us Stefan/Katherine closure, I think it's also giving us Katherine Pierce closure. Clearly there is no redeeming her. She is not redeemable. But, I think we're going to see things happen with her. First of all, I mentioned above how Caroline is going to the one who is in her way of getting to Stefan, but Caroline is one of the few people that Katherine can actually stand in Mystic Falls. There was a reason the writers had the line about her wanting Matt to say Elena liked Caroline best (and so not true, boo, Elena so likes Bonnie better) and her flat-out telling Caroline she was the one of the best people in Mystic Falls. Katherine may find herself liking Caroline, finding her a true friend, to the point where she doesn't want to just get her out of her way, perhaps until it's too late.

Also, I think there was a point of Katherine noting all the calls of concerns Elena was getting (beyond the wondering of where Elena was), as well as her telling Nadia that half the town would slit their wrists for Elena. Katherine is not only not going to be on the run for the first time, she's going to have people caring for her, a lot of people, for the first time in centuries. I think we will see possible effects of this on Katherine before she actually does face her end. I could be wrong, but I think the whole Matt getting stabbed to release him from Gregor's possession by Katherine was to show how it's done for when it's done to Katherine. And talk about a parallel! Uh huh. As always, we'll see.

How long will it last though? The thing is that Katherine doesn't really know Elena. She thinks she does, but she really has no clue as I've mentioned in the past. In "Handle With Care," I wrote this about Katherine pretending to be Elena:

...it's like she thinks Elena is a stereotypical dumb blonde or something.
Katherine thinks that Elena is weak and pathetic, not terribly bright and Katherine finds her pretty much worthless. So she'll give herself away sooner rather than later, I think. I just don't imagine she'll be able to pull this off very long. Sure she loves Stefan, crushes on Matt, likes Caroline (for now), but she doesn't like Bonnie or Jeremy and has a very strong hate/lust/sorta love relationship with Damon. Elena deeply loves all of them, and is in love with Damon. Katherine won't be able to fake that for very long, and we already know that she plans on doing a switcharoo on Stefan and Damon. That's just not where Elena's heart is anymore and everyone but Katherine truly does know that.

And if Katherine does survive Elena only for so long, then we'll have the arc of Elena and the others dealing with not only the fall-out of *that* but also of Damon's actions... because obviously there *will* be fall-out. And that is where I think and hope that some of Damon's demons will finally be laid to rest permanently so that we won't get this major type of backsliding anymore.

OK, time for some randoms …

- Again, must re-iterate, it's implied by the fact that instead of having Matt hear Damon and refuse him entrance, they instead had Matt *not* hear Damon… because of course Matt would have let Damon in. Awww!

- *sigh* Yes, obviously, My Matt/Katherine dream has died. :sniffsniff: Goodbye, Matt/Katherine! You were loved! (By me at least!)

 

- I know I probably shouldn't enjoy Damon/Caroline scenes as much as I do, but I can't help it, Ian and Candice are so enjoyable to watch together. They banter-hate so well!

- Oh, Katherine. When she was talking to Stefan as "Elena" trying to get him to admit he was heartbroken over Katherine's death, I was thinking, 'honey, someone needs to get you a copy of He's Just Not That Into You. Cuz, he's really, really not.

- I did not expect Aaron to die. Until I saw the roadway at the end. Then I realized, of course. But before then, I actually didn't expect Damon to go off the deep end until the next episode. Poor Aaron. Actually tried to do the right thing.

- Oh Enzo. You know, I do like the actor, but I'm rethinking my liking the character now, which I think I'm supposed to so, OK then. He's not a good friend to Damon. He's leading him down baaaaad paths. Damon does not need this kind of influence in his life right now. He's in a dark place. Had Enzo not been there and Katherine pulled her stupid stunt, Damon would have just gone home or gone to the Grill and gotten drunk. So, bad Enzo, bad!

- Lest an episode with Tyler go by without me expressing my displeasure at his existence, I would like to offer up a solution for his problem as expressed to Matt. He's upset because he has to live forever. If Jeremy is back next week, well, he has experience in this area, so, he can just chop off Tyler's head. That's how you kill hybrids. No more living forever. There you go, Tyler. You're welcome.

- And if Jeremy is available afterwards, Nadia has a head that I wouldn't mind being seeing removed as well since it will mean an end to her. My goodness, Olga Fonda sucks so hard in the department of the acting. SO HARD!

- To end the randoms on a happy note: My goodness, Ian Somerhalder was looking all kinds of so very beautiful in the heartfelt speech to Elena Katherine that I literally had to shake my head and make myself pay attention because, gosh darn't, he's just so, so, so pretty! Dayum! So good-looking.

Alrighty then, as you can tell, I really liked this episode. It was awesome-sauce! Total awesome! No complaints from me! WHEE!!! Onward to next week and I don't care whatever Katherine as Elena pulls with Stefan because it ain't Elena. Nyeahnyeahnyeahnyeah! :D

And, once more for the road, please do not reference spoilers, upcoming episode synopses and stills (including your reaction—good or bad—to them), interviews/tweets with cast, crew, writers, etc. Basically anything about the show that hasn't aired yet. Thank you.
 
 
 
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon 1977 Bloodbogwitch on January 31st, 2014 08:36 am (UTC)
Admit it, you just like watching Tyler getting slapped - almost as much as I like Matt being nealy killed (I still wish it was actually dead).
Arabian: Damon17arabian on January 31st, 2014 08:51 am (UTC)
He was punched, not slapped. He was punched. And yes, I liked watching it. A LOT. I would prefer watching him get killed... and never gracing my screen again!

We will never agree on Matt, though, I heart him to bits.
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tj2013: pic#120865641tj2013 on January 31st, 2014 08:59 am (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts. Always a pleasure to read them!!!!

Although quite predictable, I liked the episode a lot. Jeez, the moment Elena and Damon ran into each others arms and then, and then ... damn. Katherine.
Her breakup-speech sounded quite Elena-ish, so I can understand why Damon bought it. And he just poured out his heart again to Katherine instead of Elena, just like in 1x22 on the porch. Damn.

Did you notice the music they used during Mia's spell, when Elena had those Katherine flashbacks? It was the one from Elena shutting off her humanity and getting it back. Nice touch. I liked that, it's a very compelling score.

Hm... putting Kat's body in the tomb was waaaaay too predictable. And what did Damon needed the shovel for?

You are right, it may take the rest of the season for Damon to work on his self-esteem-issues. Especially with Enzo around, who is so NOT a good friend. The scene with Aaron on the road was a nice reminder of Damon's run in with Jessica at the end of 2x12. Damon may not realize it, but he HAS changed since then. Now he has to work on the belief that there is some good in him. Or even that he was good before he was turned. And I wonder who is going to help him with that. Surely not Enzo. Now that Damon is emotionally on his own again - who will it be? Stefan?

I just hope Elena will find a way to fight. I wonder who will find out first what happened with her. And when. But I guess it will take at least one or two episodes before one of the gang starts asking questions.


Edit: and oh, during that Damon speech, I was thown back to his speech to Katherine in 2x01. His facial expression was nearly the same, the way his fingers caressed her cheek... And once again he was crushed. Man, I love those parallels, but they are a punch in the gut.

Edited at 2014-01-31 12:33 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon&Katherine02arabian on February 2nd, 2014 05:45 am (UTC)
Did you notice the music they used during Mia's spell, when Elena had those Katherine flashbacks? It was the one from Elena shutting off her humanity and getting it back. Nice touch. I liked that, it's a very compelling score.

I didn't notice that until you mentioned that. I went back and watched it and noticed that it ended on the Damon/Elena hug/"it's done" meaning that it's now been used on three major Damon/Elena related moments, so it's defintely Damon/Elena related major music. Awww!

Hm... putting Kat's body in the tomb was waaaaay too predictable.

But only predictable to those in the know and it really does make sense.

And what did Damon needed the shovel for?

Well, he may have buried her, but we just didn't see her unburied by Nadia and company. :shrugs:

The scene with Aaron on the road was a nice reminder of Damon's run in with Jessica at the end of 2x12. Damon may not realize it, but he HAS changed since then.

He has and I'm hoping that we see him realize that.

And I wonder who is going to help him with that. Surely not Enzo. Now that Damon is emotionally on his own again - who will it be? Stefan?

Again, I hope he does. I'd like to see Matt or Jeremy actually. (Shocking coming from me, I know!)

Edit: and oh, during that Damon speech, I was thown back to his speech to Katherine in 2x01. His facial expression was nearly the same, the way his fingers caressed her cheek... And once again he was crushed. Man, I love those parallels, but they are a punch in the gut.

Yes, yes, yes, all-around YES!
jairem08jairem08 on January 31st, 2014 02:04 pm (UTC)
Gahhh poor Damon. I really hope that this down spiral won't last long and that he will wake up soon. I really do. But yeah it is Damon and he is heartbroken and self hating and thinking that without Elena there is not redemption for him. All this massive character development over the last 4 or so seasons seems to be just gone. Blown to pieces. But I do trust the writers and will choose to trust them in order not to freak out. I will believe this is part of the journey. I think like you that the knife will release the traveller from the body and I think it might be Nadia who will do it. She again learned that Katherine obviously doesn't care and will only think of herself. Nadia gave the knife to Matt. Told him the story of travellers and about the purpose of the knife. So she or him will do it. She might be the one to reveal that Elena is not Elena.
Also one of the first indicators to the gang about Elena not being herself might be the fact that she suddenly stops caring about Damon. Damon gone, doing god knows what ... Elena would always care and worry. Just like she did with Stefan. I would like to think that her lack of interest would spring some questions and doubts within the group. Just a thought. I do hope that Damon and Elena do recover from this and find their way to each other again. That Damon will not cause too much damage. Wonder if Elena "sees" or "feels" what is happening to her body and surroundings during her oppression and can somehow refer to past or all Katherine's deeds backwards and maybe reverse damage of what was said and done. Perhaps she could've witnessed Damon's speech to Katherine and acknowledge it eventually. I really do hope so. I'm so heartbroken for Damon. And for Elena of course. When they ran towards each other and hugged it was so obvious that the are in love and missed each other and would always be there for each other. Stupid magic transfer soul crap.
I'm happy with Stefan. This episode he was great. And if this development is to be an indicator I think SE are over. Like really over. DE are the couple and now it is their battle to get together again, fight the demons, consequences of this mess and hopefully be happy together again. I hope that Stefan doesn't cave to Katherine.
Yeah Kat is evil and tooootaaaaallly agree - Damon is a hot (Ian is a hot, pretty, handsome, sexy boy). Let's start cloning club : D
Thank you for your fabulous review and your positivity that carries me through the series. Had it not been for your write ups I would be panicking each week and burn my brain worrying. I believe that you still strongly believe in DE endgame and that this will all play out well for them. Enzo bad bad boy!!!
Arabian: Damon & Elena30arabian on January 31st, 2014 11:13 pm (UTC)
First off, you know if you want icons (even with just an unpaid account, I think you get 6 or 15 icons, I have TONS of TVD-related icons you can use, just check out my icons tag).

I don't know how long Damon's spiral will last, but I think he needs to go through this one more time before he really realizes this is not who he is. Think about it, since we've met him once he became better (around episode 1.12) he's never really gone for any long stretch of being "bad" so this would be it. Maybe he needs that reminder, that realization that he's truly NOT that guy any more. (Dude, I'm so gonna add this to my post, LOL!) I don't think the character development is gone at all, I think we've been building up to this if it heads to where I think it is. Again, this is a guy with major, major self-esteem issues and you need positive reinforcement to keep positive change. Damon gets barely any. The sole positive reinforcement he was getting was just ripped away from him, he's gonna backslide. It makes sense. We're talking literally nearly 200 years of self-loathing at play here that has to be countered against. That's a lot.

Yeah, "Elena" not caring about Damon should ring some bells, but I do think that Katherine is smarter than that and she'll probably attempt to play some semblance of caring, but the thing is that Katherine doesn't really know Elena. She thinks she does, but she really has no clue. So she'll give herself away sooner rather than later, I think.

If Elena remembers all of what happens with Katherine, that would certainly be interesting. Hmmm.... Others have suggested that she might even remember all of Katherine's memories.

I'm glad that my positivity has helped you. I hope I'm right about the show and D/E!!! :D
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Florencia: DEflorencia7 on January 31st, 2014 03:14 pm (UTC)
OMG I LOVED & HATED THIS EPISODE SO MUCH lol

I'm still too dazed after watching the episode mere hours ago to be very coherent, so I apologize in advance for my comments making little sense haha

“For all I talk about Stefan not being Saint Stefan, he *is* a good guy, and aside from his ripper tendencies when his switch his is off and his somewhat selfish side, he is a better man than Damon (for all that I adore me some Damon).” - Something happened this season & I'm no longer bothered so much by the instances of SS, because they are making more sense now and I think I'm beginning to see what the writers were probably seeing all along ;)

But, he was making Caroline cry so that was enough to make Stefan punch him in the face” - My impression was that it wasn't so much Caroline's tears, but rather the fact that Tyler made Caroline feel ashamed and shame/regret is a feeling Stefan is very familiar with.

“Look at their faces in that last gif! Don't you just want to smoosh them?” - Yup! ^^ They were adorable and I don't think we ever saw SUCH a genuinely, utterly happy smile on Stefan's face. I also thought it was interesting that Stefan used the phrase “you're a horrible person”. That's what endgame people say to each other, apparently ;D

“I loved that Damon got that Elena is too strong and that he wasn't giving her enough credit, even if he was also not giving himself enough credit for not being strong enough himself.” - I really really liked this entire speech. I need to look up who wrote this episode.

“I still think we very well could be heading to Damon realizing that he is better than, but it may take the rest of the season.” - I think so too & as much as I don't feel like being patient right now, I think we have to be, because things probably won't get significantly better until the final episodes of the season...

“Elena coming through the second time and quietly taking it all in, assessing the situation and making her move when the time was right, fighting her way out was nicely done.” - I loved how intelligently she went about this. Instead of just recklessly trying to get away she tried to concoct a plan and acted at the right moment. Damon and Alaric would be so proud *sobs* GO WARRIOR PRINCESS ♥

“then we see Damon and then Elena sees him and they're running to each other and they come into each other's arms and it's one of those AAAHHHH! epic (an actual *epic* moment)” - I can't even read about it without crying. AHHHHH That was the most awful thing EVER. I HATED IT. I LOVED IT. IT WAS BEAUTIFULLY SHOT + THE MUSIC. I JUST CAN'T. It broke my heart when Elena fell into Damon's arms, clinging to him, thinking that she was safe now that they were together *FOREVER SOBBING & IN CAPSLOCK TOO*

“but I think the whole Matt getting stabbed to release him from Gregor's possession by Katherine was to show how it's done for when it's done to Katherine.” - Yes, I think so too, except that it seems Matt will be heading out of town with Tyler for a while, right? So there goes the only person who knows where the dagger is. IS IT 5x22 ALREADY.

“And if Jeremy is available afterwards, Nadia has a head that I wouldn't mind being seeing removed as well since it will mean an end to her.” - I kind of hope she will redeem herself a little bit before she leaves and drops someone (Matt?) a hint that something is up with 'Elena'. Katherine did proclaim her a daughter worthy of such a mother, so hopefully she's also as vengeful as Katherine and compromise her charade out of spite.

Question: Do you think that the Katherine's memories flashbacks Elena was having mean that once she's back she's going to remember Katherine's memories??? Because that would mean that she would remember the 1x22 porch scene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol And then I might just love the writers even more than I already do, because it'd be so awesome & brilliant of them to find a way to make Elena know exactly what happened then.

Thank you SO MUCH for posting your thoughts so quickly!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥ I wouldn't be able to find peace over the weekend if I didn't read your thoughts first lol
Cassandra Elise: george harrisoncassandra_elise on January 31st, 2014 03:27 pm (UTC)
I really really liked this entire speech. I need to look up who wrote this episode

It was written by Brett Matthews and newcomer Sonny Postiglione, whose only other credit is for this season's "Monster's Ball." I was pleasantly surprised by their writing. I've been rather underwhelmed by Brett Matthews in the past.

Question: Do you think that the Katherine's memories flashbacks Elena was having mean that once she's back she's going to remember Katherine's memories??? Because that would mean that she would remember the 1x22 porch scene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Haha. That would be awesome! :D
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bangel_4e: delena3bangel_4e on January 31st, 2014 06:41 pm (UTC)
Onward to next week and I don't care whatever Katherine as Elena pulls with Stefan because it ain't Elena. Nyeahnyeahnyeahnyeah! :D

Ahahahaha...my feelings exactly. I'm gonna sit back and just watch. But of course, I have a worrisome mind and I am really worried about Damon. I agree with what you said about him and his bad choices, totally. And I'm sure Elena will understand and forgive all of this when she comes back, when they'll get through this...but yep, it's gonna take some time. I just worry he's gonna do something soooo bad she's not gonna be capable of forgiveness....it's random people, ok...what if they're not so random?
What if he attacks people she truly cares about, again? Yep, she forgave him once for the Jeremy thing but what if he, I don't know, attacks Caroline again or Matt???
This time, after all they've been trough...I'm not sure what could happen. But I'm just purely speculating...for the worst of course, that's me :)
I guess we'll see. I'm excited about next episode though, I hate that we're gonna have another hiatus after that.,

Anyway, about other stuff....

-I adore Katherine, no matter what she does, but damn her for ruining what could have been a wonderful Delena moment. And while I do fear she's gonna be truly dead by the end of the season, I hope she won't.

-How could Damon not recognize that it was Katherine???? He looked into her eyes....and even Stefan was there and didn't do anything, when he knew Elena wouldn't give up on Damon like that?? I guess it was a little too plot-convenient.

-Damon and Elena running towards each other....amazing.

-Still rooting for Stefan and Caroline (or Klaus, Matt whatever...just kill Tyler already)

-YAY for Stefan punching Tyler!! What a useless waste of lines and space. And I guess Stefan hit Tyler cause he said "Exactly", in a tone that meant :"Yeah, walk out, you should be ashamed" or something...it felt very harsh. And I also think he thought Stefan was siding with him and shaming Caroline so Stefan the hero had to react. But yeah., I gotta give him credit for this.

Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on February 2nd, 2014 07:18 am (UTC)
I am really worried about Damon. I agree with what you said about him and his bad choices, totally. And I'm sure Elena will understand and forgive all of this when she comes back, when they'll get through this...but yep, it's gonna take some time.

Here's my thought about that. Think about it, Stefan killed bunches of people all along the Eastern seaboard and his switch wasn't off then. He was just going along with Klaus, and then he made the choice to turn his switch off because it was easier and then did some horrible things, and Elena forgave him pretty damn quick. So... :shrug:

I don't know, attacks Caroline again or Matt???

Damon would NOT hurt Matt. Matt is his bro. He would not hurt him. As for Caroline? I don't think he'd hurt her either. Damon has his list, remember? We pretty much know who's on his list. It's Elena, Stefan, Jeremy, Matt, Liz, Bonnie, Caroline. He's not going to hurt or let anyone hurt any of them (unless it's to save Elena).

I guess we'll see. I'm excited about next episode though, I hate that we're gonna have another hiatus after that.,

Stupid Olympics! Grr. But I am going to be watching them. So, whee! Olympics!! :D

I love Katherine, but since Katherine/Elijah and Katherine/Matt have no chance in hell at this point, and I think she's pretty irredeemable, I do think I'm ready to let her go. So if this is her swan song season, I can live with it. And hey, maybe some of Katherine's sassy will live on in Elena.....

How could Damon not recognize that it was Katherine???? He looked into her eyes....and even Stefan was there and didn't do anything, when he knew Elena wouldn't give up on Damon like that?? I guess it was a little too plot-convenient.

I don't think so. They were very careful how they did that and I thought it was brilliant. Katherine didn't break up with Damon using what she THOUGHT Elena would say, she basically used ELENA's words. That's why she asked Matt how Elena broke up with him. She just modified it slightly to fit the situation with Damon, so think of everything and how it played out. Damon saw Katherine's dead body, Bonnie saw Katherine's ghost, Elena had been ignoring Damon ALL DAY LONG. Sure she ran into his arms, but then just as quickly, she pulled away like she was realizing what she had to do. There here she is saying words that are SO Elena-like and here is Damon expecting the worst, always waiting for the other shoe to drop. Why wouldn't he think it was Elena. He even began the conversation expecting that she had erased all of his messages, expecting that she was pissed off at him. So when he laid all of this pressure and expectation on her, what she said made perfect sense to him. He screwed up and he lost her. Of course.
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faith5by5_1013faith5by5_1013 on February 1st, 2014 04:53 am (UTC)
Loved Tyler being punched in the face so much!

He has been told—going back to even before he was turned—that he's not good enough and he believes this so soul-deep that all it takes is one person he cares about telling him this so that he's teetering on the brink.

Exactly!

it wasn't just Elena that Damon cared about, but that clearly Ric, Stefan and even Jeremy mattered to Damon as well because it showed that he wasn't just becoming "better" for Elena, but because that capability was within him. Elena simply allowed him to see that it was possible and because others cared as well and he cared for them, he was able to begin to fulfill that potential.

Yep! I love that about Damon. That he thinks he's a monster, but, when you watch him, you know how much he cares about so many other people.

I think it's important to show characters like Damon backsliding in situations like this.

I loved that tiny Delena reunion moment. It was so beautifully done. Just perfect. Especially when you add in the angst of Katherine taking over before Elena can tell Damon what's going on.

Yeah, I'm definitely betting that Katherine will be dead by the end of the season. They have to get her out of Elena and I just can't see them finding another way to keep her around without it becoming ridiculous.
Arabian: Stefan01arabian on February 2nd, 2014 07:25 am (UTC)
Loved Tyler being punched in the face so much!



HEE!

I think it's important to show characters like Damon backsliding in situations like this.

Me too, BUT, I think while this has to last a few episodes -- which it never has before -- I think this has to be the last BIG backslide, it really does, and he and the others have to KNOW that this is a big turning point for him. Otherwise it's pointless.

Yeah, I'm definitely betting that Katherine will be dead by the end of the season. They have to get her out of Elena and I just can't see them finding another way to keep her around without it becoming ridiculous.

Agreed, and as I just said to bangel_4e, maybe because of her taking up residence for awhile, Elena will retain some of Katherine's sass, LOL!

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Florencia: Christmas (Damon & Elena)florencia7 on February 1st, 2014 05:19 pm (UTC)
[For some reason I can't edit my comment, so I have to add this as a separate one.]

"I know that there is concern that this is erasing some (if not all) of the wonderful character development of Damon so far" - I loved that they had Damon reference 2x12 in that last scene, because it mollified that little problem that I had with it clashing with the Whitmore storyline. I guess the underlying thesis here is that we're not erasing Damon's character development but rather re-examining it and exposing the fact that while it seemed to be blooming on the surface, the roots are still fragile & tangled up & it's time to work on the roots.

"And that is where I think and hope that some of Damon's demons will finally be laid to rest permanently so that we won't get this major type of backsliding anymore." - I think so too. And as painful as it is, it had to happen & I guess we should commend the writers for pulling that off, because it must also be kind of painful for them lol
Arabian: Damon & Elena13arabian on February 2nd, 2014 07:21 am (UTC)
[For some reason I can't edit my comment, so I have to add this as a separate one.]

Others had responded to you. Once someone responds to your post, you can no longer edit.

I guess the underlying thesis here is that we're not erasing Damon's character development but rather re-examining it and exposing the fact that while it seemed to be blooming on the surface, the roots are still fragile & tangled up & it's time to work on the roots.

Yup, which makes perfect sense to me because we've continued to see those roots still there, they continue to tear through constantly. Think back to 3.19 when Elena said that he does something Damon-like? Because, well, he does. And here he is. He has issues. And he hasn't dealt with them.

I think so too. And as painful as it is, it had to happen & I guess we should commend the writers for pulling that off, because it must also be kind of painful for them lol

Hah! I disagree! They love it so hard!!!!!!!!!!!!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on February 1st, 2014 05:29 pm (UTC)
It was a really good episode!

Re: Stefan punching Tyler -- he did it because Tyler made Caroline feel like a piece of dirt. She was leaving obviously upset and Tyler was being douchey, so, punch. Stefan cares a lot more about Caroline than about Tyler, so he cares more about her being emotionally hurt than why Tyler's lashing out like that.

Damon/Elena is definitely still being treated like The Couple with the obstacles being thrown in their path. That part I don't mind but, like you, I would have enjoyed getting more happy couple time before all the darkness came back.

I really enjoyed the Katherine/Stefan conversation where she was trying to assess how horrible heartbroken he was but he just... wasn't.
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder08arabian on February 2nd, 2014 07:06 am (UTC)
I gotta call you! (Or you me!)

It was a really good episode!

My favorite of the season so far. I think it was the closest to an OMG!Awesome!Episode, so I'm happy.

Re: Stefan punching Tyler -- he did it because Tyler made Caroline feel like a piece of dirt. She was leaving obviously upset and Tyler was being douchey, so, punch. Stefan cares a lot more about Caroline than about Tyler, so he cares more about her being emotionally hurt than why Tyler's lashing out like that.

True, very true. But... (and I CAN'T believe I'm defending Tyler), Klaus DID kill his mother and that's where he was coming from so he wasn't exactly thinking clearly. Not that he isn't a jerk and shouldn't, you know, DIE!, but Klaus DID kill his mother. But it was still G-L-O-R-I-O-U-S that Stefan punched him. Ooh, look... Stefan punching Tyler!



Damon/Elena is definitely still being treated like The Couple with the obstacles being thrown in their path.

Yuppers!

like you, I would have enjoyed getting more happy couple time before all the darkness came back.

Yuppers, that remains my one big complaint about the season.

I really enjoyed the Katherine/Stefan conversation where she was trying to assess how horrible heartbroken he was but he just... wasn't.

Yuppers, times three. Katherine, babes, he's just not that into you. Deal with it.

Edited at 2014-02-02 07:07 am (UTC)
vanimy: Elenavanimy on February 1st, 2014 10:19 pm (UTC)
PART ONE

*waves timidly*

I hope I'm still allowed on your LJ.

I'm all caught up with TVD which must be the first time in ages.

I've found myself watching several episodes in a row and enjoying the story lately. I didn't care much for Silas and everything so I'm glad we're back to the main characters. I also think the focus on Damon lately and the Damon/Elena wonderful angstiness probably played a part in there. ;)

I have to say, maybe I don't have a lot of imagination or since I'm utterly unspoiled I was actually surprised Katherine took over Elena's body because I actually bought her whole 'letting go' act. I really thought the whole episode was about saying goodbye to her and her getting her redemption. I think you nailed it when you said she was irredeemable. Because if all of this didn't make her change, nothing will.

Also, girl, time to let Stefan go, don't you think?? I had to laugh at your 'he's not that into you' suggestion. Stefan couldn't be more obvious in his complete 'don't give a crap' attitude with Katherine. I think he really felt compassion when she 'died' but that's it. Also yeah Silas and Amara are no good example to follow. They didn't even end up together in eternity. What's up with that BTW? I have a feeling this story will come up again before the end of the season, the ending to Silas' arc felt a little too abrupt. *shrugs*

I still root for Elijah/Katherine, don't care, I loved how she brightened when she thought he was there in last episode.

That being said I root for Katherine/Death even more now. I think she overstayed her welcome. Time to kill off Katherine, writers.

Stefan and Caroline gave me all the feels this episode. That last scene was totally adorable. When Stefan smiled at her I reflected we had never seen Stefan so happy, not even with Elena. Adorable.

I had to cringe at the slut shaming Caroline got. It reminded me of Elena telling the girls she had slept with Damon. I guess it's karma, right? But Tyler had no right to do it. Guy left her behind in the first place, sure Klaus is evil but they've all done their fair share of killing people lately so I was glad Stefan told him off and punched him the face; I'm with you on the 'please, kill him off!' Tyler's been useless ever since.. let me think.... season 3. That's an awful lot of time.

Arabian: Elena07arabian on February 2nd, 2014 06:23 am (UTC)
I hope I'm still allowed on your LJ.

Hah, of course you are. I just haven't gotten around to responding to the older comments. That's my bad.

I didn't care much for Silas and everything so I'm glad we're back to the main characters.

Eh, I didn't enjoy Silas until the last episode and a half or so he was on. I blame Paul.

I also think the focus on Damon lately and the Damon/Elena wonderful angstiness probably played a part in there. ;)

Agreed, although I still think we deserved more happy-couple time, dangit!

I have to say, maybe I don't have a lot of imagination or since I'm utterly unspoiled I was actually surprised Katherine took over Elena's body because I actually bought her whole 'letting go' act.

I'm sorry, I think you don't have a lot of imagination, LOL! Sorry, sorry. We got so many little hints they were going there and so yeah, the only reason I thought we wouldn't is that it was too obvious because I'm unspoiled. On the other hand, I do go cray-cray with the overanalysis so ignore me, LOL!

I really thought the whole episode was about saying goodbye to her and her getting her redemption. I think you nailed it when you said she was irredeemable. Because if all of this didn't make her change, nothing will.

Yeah, nothing will at this point, girl is irredeemable.

I have a feeling this story will come up again before the end of the season, the ending to Silas' arc felt a little too abrupt. *shrugs*

Me too. I said a few reviews ago that TVD arcs aren't done in a few episodes generally, they carry out throughout the whole season so I expect there to be more fall-out.

I still root for Elijah/Katherine, don't care, I loved how she brightened when she thought he was there in last episode.

I think that if Elijah had shown up, that *might* have done it, that might have been the one thing that would have sent her off gently into the good night. But nope, he was off forgetting her existence to slather over Hayley in New Orleans.

That being said I root for Katherine/Death even more now. I think she overstayed her welcome. Time to kill off Katherine, writers.

Yup, if I can't have Matt/Katherine, then it's Katherine/death. Oh, poor Matty.

Stefan and Caroline gave me all the feels this episode.

SO MANY FEELS!!!!

That last scene was totally adorable. When Stefan smiled at her I reflected we had never seen Stefan so happy, not even with Elena. Adorable.

Yup, and Caroline is officially the only one that Stefan hasn't judged. Cuz he LURVES her and understands her and they are each other's TRUE LOVE! Take that Katherine!

I had to cringe at the slut shaming Caroline got.

But did she really? Tyler wasn't upset that she had sex with someone, but that she had sex with KLAUS!. It wasn't the screwing, it was the screwing KLAUS that was the problem.

It reminded me of Elena telling the girls she had slept with Damon.

I was glad Stefan told him off and punched him the face

It was glorious! :D
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vanimy: Damon/Elenavanimy on February 1st, 2014 10:19 pm (UTC)
PART TWO

I was so wishing Elena wouldn't be taken over by Katherine. But alas she was... Not before we had an epic Damon/Elena scene. I loved the way she ran into his arms just before of course Katherine took over. Wonderfully tragic. I might have rewinded the whole scene once or twice. Sue me.

It's strange because the Damon/Not!Elena scene gave me so many conflicted feelings. Frustration because once again Damon pours his heart out to Katherine instead of Elena. Love because I loved the way Damon held her face and was just so tender with her and how he was so wonderfully vulnerable. Being impressed with Katherine because the way she broke up with him was exactly the way Elena would've done this had she meant all of this indeed (and stupid me for not catching the fact that was why she asked Matt about breaking up early on!). All of it felt a lot like 2x01 with Damon having his heart broken... again.

And at the same time... I thought Katherine pretending to be Elena was kind of right in some places. Because even if I loved Damon telling all this to Elena, I think it's always been a mistake for him to think he was totally evil and Elena was his anchor to good; Yes, I love the fact Elena makes him want to be a better man, that's the root of their entire relationship, but I also think he has to be better for himself not just for Elena. I thought he had gotten that when Elena didn't choose him in season 3 and he was still a decent guy most of the time after that anyway.

Which is why I was so disappointed at that stunt he pulled at the end.

Because it was 2x01 and 2x12 all over again. And I thought Damon had grown so much since then so I was... disappointed. Also I liked Aaron, the poor guy went through so much crap but was still a decent guy.

But if this whole reset and Enzo's influence is the way for the writers to focus on Damon's insecurities, then I'm all for it. I just hope it won't end in the classic 'Stefan's good and Damon's bad' trope.

Also I hope the whole Katherine pretending to be Elena won't last too long either but since it's TVD I guess it won't. Wouldn't it be awesome if Elena fought her way through despite the spell because of Damon in some way? Please, give me this.

Also, even if I love me some good angst for my ship, I agree on the fact we didn't get enough of Damon/Elena being happy before all the obstacles that were thrown between them all season.

Arabian: Damon & Elena32arabian on February 2nd, 2014 06:51 am (UTC)
I've rewatched the Damon/Elena running into each other's arms scene more than a few times, I do not lie! Way more than a few times. Uh huh. Classic.

It's strange because the Damon/Not!Elena scene gave me so many conflicted feelings.

Not strange at all! You read my "I loved it! I hated it! I loved it! I hated it!"

I thought he had gotten that when Elena didn't choose him in season 3 and he was still a decent guy most of the time after that anyway.

I think he sorta did too which is what I was getting at when I talked about him having Ric and Stefan, Jeremy to a degree. But then when he lost them, and in season 04 and then over the summer, the first half of season 05 it became all centered around Elena and pretty much Elena only, I think that realization that hadn't competely crystallized slipped away. I am hoping that this arc finally crystallizes it for him because I'm hoping that he finds that whatever happens with Enzo he realizes is NOT him anymore.

But if this whole reset and Enzo's influence is the way for the writers to focus on Damon's insecurities, then I'm all for it. I just hope it won't end in the classic 'Stefan's good and Damon's bad' trope.

I will be disappointed too, but I truly believe they aren't going there.

Also, even if I love me some good angst for my ship, I agree on the fact we didn't get enough of Damon/Elena being happy before all the obstacles that were thrown between them all season.

Yuppers.
aurora7948/Celestial Auroraaurora7948 on February 2nd, 2014 05:30 am (UTC)
Hi again! I agree with everything you said.

Hate that Katherine stole another lovely moment away from Damon and Elena. Heartbreaking scene. How could he just accept the difference though when she's all "Thank God!" when she first sees him and they embrace and then to push him away the way she does? So mad at Damon for not thinking. He's smarter than this. I can only think that he's blinded by love and self-loathing but still, he's smarter than this. So sorry that Damon's first real friend from his past has become a dick and is so bad for him.

No way can Katherine be Elena for long because of all the things you mentioned (I think Stefan may already be suspicious because of some of her actions at the party when she first shows up). Absolutely parallels with Katherine and Gregor and I think it's gonna be Stefan who does in Katherine the same way (to *really* show he's over her) or Caroline (because, like Gregor, Katherine is no good for Stefan who is someone she obviously cares about).

Katherine will come to regret killing Mia. The travelers have proven that they are powerful. And vengeful.

Yay for Stefen and Caroline. Why can't Tyler just go away permanently? Seriously, all the asshole moves he's pulled and he's gonna be a jerk to Caroline for a first and final fling with someone who has proven how much he cares about her (to the point of doing what he knows is best for her by promising to stay away from her). And Tyler has NO claim on her right now. Or ever. He WALKED OUT ON HER!!!! Screw off Tyler.

Again, thanks for the awesome analysis! So love reading them. :-)
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline05arabian on February 2nd, 2014 05:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, sucks that Katherine stole another awesome Damon speech, but hey, as others have suggested, maybe Elena will remember all the Katherine moments and it will be different than with Matt/Gregor because of the situation.

How could he just accept the difference though when she's all "Thank God!" when she first sees him and they embrace and then to push him away the way she does? So mad at Damon for not thinking. He's smarter than this.

I think because he knew that something was wrong right away. She was clearly shaken and needed time to process and it was obvious that a part of Damon expected her to reject him so when she did he didn't parse it too hard. Sometimes it's not a case of seeing what you want, but what you expect. And Damon never expects to win. He always expects to lose.

Katherine will come to regret killing Mia. The travelers have proven that they are powerful. And vengeful.

Agreed. And we still don't know what was the point of the bucketful of double-doppelganger blood they wanted.

Seriously, all the asshole moves he's pulled and he's gonna be a jerk to Caroline for a first and final fling with someone who has proven how much he cares about her (to the point of doing what he knows is best for her by promising to stay away from her). And Tyler has NO claim on her right now. Or ever. He WALKED OUT ON HER!!!! Screw off Tyler.

AMEN!

Again, thanks for the awesome analysis! So love reading them. :-)

Thank you muchly! :D