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09 November 2013 @ 05:03 am
5.06 - 'Handle With Care' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Another Thursday night and I'm finally getting this done on Friday Saturday morning. Phew! OK, I'm going to break this down into sections or I might not even get it written, time flies…

KATHERINE the GREAT

I loved Katherine's dress at the party. It was so cute. And I *loved* Katherine at the party. Seriously, she is evil, manipulative, a villainess, blah, blah, blah, whatever... she's freaking adorable and I love her. And how is it that as Katherine, she has chemistry with Aaron? There was like NOTHING there between Elena and Aaron, nothing, but her and Aaron? So cute. Just all kinds of adorable. But, like whoah! What is going on? At first with the grey streak in the beginning, I thought, OK, so she's got like some cool Bonnie Raitt thing --

 

But then her tooth fell out... not so cool. So what be going on with Miss Katherine. Eww! Not so eww? Seeing Katherine and Caroline work together, I realized that putting aside the whole Katherine murdered Caroline thing (erm, shrug?), those two could be way better besties than Caroline and Elena personality-wise. Sorry, but so true. They mesh together so well. I never would have ever thought of that, but they play off of each other so perfectly.

STEFAN and ELENA… THIS IS NOT A REDUX

Stefan did not piss me off this episode. YAY, STEFAN! I love when I can unabashedly, no-holds-barred love my Steffy-poo! because I do love Stefan. I knew that Stefan was going to do something to save Elena because despite what some people are suggesting elsewhere, it IS his instinct to save her always. He rarely succeeds because, well, he's Stefan, but it is his instinct. On the bridge when he threatened to kill her, he was Ripper!Stefan. When she drowned, it was his instinct to save her, but she wanted him to save Matt. When he let her go to Klaus for the sacrifice, she wanted to do that, as soon as she left, the first thing he did was call Damon to run interference. His instinct is to save her. So Elena was right, and I liked that they had that sweet conversation—unknown to the viewers—in full hearing of both Damon and Jeremy which basically means that Elena doesn't feel she has to hide her relationship with Stefan from Damon because she knows it is completely innocent.

Which brings me to a point I want to make about the so-called fan-servicing that the show is supposedly doing for the Stefan/Elena fanbase that I completely do not see. What I see is great character writing for Elena (and a positive for Damon/Elena when you take a closer look). It's clear to me that Damon and Elena are this show's OTP and all the Stefan/Elena stuff is a MacGuffin of crumbs thrown for the Stefan/Elena fanbase who refuse to see what is right in front of them.

Elena is *always* going to see Stefan and their relationship with rose-colored glasses because of what he and their relationship represent to her. He was there when she needed someone to bring her out of her darkest period based solely on human-based events when it was her parents' death that was destroying her emotionally. That is what he represents to her and will always represent to her. He was her light, her anchor. She will never look back and nitpick all of the crap he pulled. Ever. She chooses to see the good, because looking back and seeing the bad accomplishes nothing.

And it's not just with regards to what Stefan represents; it's also because that is who Elena is as a character. She chooses to see the *good* in people. Just as she does with Matt or Caroline and Damon now. I mean, really, if she were to focus on the negative she wouldn't be with him—the guy snapped her brother's neck. I look at it this way… when she looks at the good with Stefan and she looks at the good with Damon, all the good she sees with Stefan isn't enough to measure up to the good with Damon. Damon is still who she wants. Damon is still who she is in love with.

So, bottom-line, it's not fan-servicing for Stefan/Elena fans. It's writing Elena in character. And it's saying that regardless of how good she still sees Stefan and how rose-colored she still sees their relationship, she still chooses to be with Damon!

Speaking of choice, Damon had a very valid point—and remember many a time in the past, he has been this show's truthteller—Silas has been moving heaven and earth to be with Amara—that's not fate, that's crazy. Another way of looking at it? That's Silas' choice to make this thing happen… and hey, even if you want to take a ride on the destiny train, when Silas tries to make destiny, what happens? Once again the two doppelgangers great love story ends in tragedy. Amara and Silas are reunited after two thousand years and she stabs him in the back, preferring death over an eternity with him.

Seriously, folks, we have to look at the bigger picture here. This show is all about, well SHOW, not tell, and take a look at the show versus the tell. We are being told that for two thousand years the doppelgangers have been fated to be together in this grand beautiful love story. But who is telling us this?

- A vindictive, paranoid, psychotic, two-thousand year-old witch who still has major issues with her cheating ex and the girl he cheated with aka the original doppelgangers.

- A kinda evil, self-proclaimed monster that has been lying on a slab for mostly two thousand years who's built up this amazing true love story that he's been dreaming of to reach fruition.

What has actually been shown:

- Silas and Amara, the original doppelgangers, and cheating lovers, who were torn apart by Quetsiyah when she "brutally murdered" Amara.

- Katherine and Stefan were torn apart because Katherine is a lying, conniving, manipulative, self-serving, self-proclaimed villainess who was sleeping with his brother at the same time.

- Stefan and Elena were torn apart because Stefan chose to desert Elena for three months to save his brother and then when he had the opportunity to reunite with her, he chose revenge and ripperdom. Meanwhile, Elena was falling more and more in love with said brother, and eventually left Stefan for him.

- Amara wound up being alive and it was discovered that Quetsiyah (now calling herself Tessa) had not killed Amara but instead used her immortality to make Amara the anchor that created the other side and thus without access to blood, she dessicated into stone over the course of the last 2,000 years. Finally, she and Silas were reunited; Amara then stabbed Silas in the back and drank his blood in the hopes of drinking the cure and thus dying.

Seeing a pattern here? Not so much about this great love destined to find each other, but rather just two people who look alike destined to never find happiness with each other. Sure there are doppelgangers, but witches need a balance. There is an immortal Silas, thus there needs to be the balance of a "Silas" who can die, thus the Silas doppelgangers. Same with Amara doppelgangers. We now know that she was made immortal as well, therefore, there needed the balance of an “Amara” who could die. The reason that they found each other wasn't for some great cosmic love, but just probably because they were drawn to each other because of the original connection—which obviously isn't some great epic love… seeing as how every single connection between the couples has ended thus far. And, of course, I keep going back to Stefan and Katherine. If any doppelganger pairing has a shot…it's gonna be them, they are the only ones without closure. Uh huh.

Now, again, I'm not saying that nothing is going to happen with Stefan and Elena and that the Stefan/Elena fanbase will not continue to get crumbs thrown their way as they got in this episode. But that's OK! I mean, here was Elena jealous of Stefan and Tessa sleeping together? Yeah, I think she was a little bit. Did she have the right to be? Nope. (Just like she had no right to be over Damon sleeping with Rebekah.) Should she have been? Nope. Can she help how she feels? Nope. Is it ok? Yup. Does it mean she's still in love with Stefan? Nope. Even a little bit? Nope. Does it mean she's not totally in love with Damon? Nope. Not at all.

It's just weird, the idea of Stefan—who. ever since she's known him, has been kinda "hers"— to be with someone else, to even want to be with someone else, someone new (since there was all of this weird history and hijinks wrapped up with Rebekah). So, yeah, a teeny bit of jealousy does make sense and I can deal with it, especially when you consider that it has only been a handful of months and they are all living in crowded quarters and everything is on hyperdrive emotion-wise with them. They are vampires, it's how they roll.

It's not fair, it's not right of her, but she's young and emotional and it's… it's weird. She's allowed to have feelings she shouldn't. It doesn't mean that she is feeling anything she shouldn't for Stefan. Which brings me back to those crumbs. When Stefan and Elena were a couple through those first three and a half-seasons, there were tons of Damon/Elena crumbs (and mighty big ones) thrown our way all the time and those crumbs we got were *building a future* for Damon and Elena. The crumbs that Stefan and Elena fans are getting now are referencing a *past.* I wouldn't complain.

THE BEST TV COUPLE OF ALL TIME!

Yeah, whatever, it's a stupid poll! I don't care, woohoo! We won the best TV couple of all time. Woohoo! And it's easy to see why. Seriously Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev have some amazing chemistry. They really, really do. It doesn't matter what characters they're playing. Obviously, I do love Damon and Elena the mostest. I don't ship Damon and Katherine, but heartily enjoy their scenes, and not just the sexy scenes we got with them, but also the banter, and even the heavier scenes simply because Nina and Ian just play off of each other so well, Their rhythm, their body language, their connection is so on target… it's amazing. And the same was there in the seconds long scene of Damon and Amara. I mean, just a few seconds and yet, BOOM! It was there between Damon and Amara. Yup.

 

But, of course, nothing compares to Damon and Elena… nothing. Seeing the two all wrapped up in each other at the top of the episodes (damn credits, grrr!), talking about their happiness and comfort in their lives together, teasing, little kisses, just… ahh, so adorable. Alas, that was all we got for the episode. It was lovely… so lovely…

 

But… yeah… that was it. And it's not enough. We need to start getting more focus on Damon and Elena as a couple. I was very happy after episodes one and two with how they were focusing on them as a couple, and I like how they are writing them still as a couple, but we're not getting enough. It feels like there is too much focus on Stefan's loss and feelings for Elena rather than Damon and Elena's feelings for one another and their relationship. And honestly even the stuff in the second episode was more about Stefan and the Stefan/Elena relationship (past or not) than the Damon and Elena relationship. November sweeps have begun, let's start focusing on the couple that viewers actually care about, mmkay? Thanks.

Now, back to the writing of the couple stuff that I continue to like, I mentioned above that it was cool how we had that sweet Stefan/Elena scene where they discussed him saving her life, and then we pulled back and saw that the discussion took place right in front of Jeremy and Damon. No hiding that.

I also really loved that when Tessa told Damon to kill Silas or she would kill Elena, the whole jealousy ploy that Tessa used didn't faze either Damon or Elena really once they realized what she was doing. When Elena told her that Damon had never chosen anyone's life over hers even his own, she made it clear that she knew what his choice would be, she didn't blame him, she understood and as painful as it was, it was a beautiful moment because it showed how well she knows him, how much she loves him, how much she *gets* him. But even more than that, man, I *loved* that Damon talked to Jeremy first! He didn't ask him, he didn't talk it over with him. Of course he was going to do it, but the fact that he talked to Jeremy about it was so amazing meaningful and, of course, Jeremy understood… and Bonnie saw it, heard that Damon talked to Jeremy and Bonnie understood. Man, I just loved it. Loved all of that so much. Such freaking growth for my bb Damon.

Speaking of growth, I also love that it's exceedingly obvious that the doppelganger soulmate crap bugs the hell out of Damon, but he is forcing himself to power through it and just ignore it. He's trusting in his love for Elena, her love for him and just push through it. Go Damon. I'm proud of you,

BECAUSE YOU, DAMON, ARE AWESOME!

The Snookie's backyard comment cracked me up. Not that I think Damon watches Jersey Shore but because you just know that Damon keeps up on pop culture simply so that his insults are up-to-date and on target. My favorite line, though, was the final one—and this one was all in the delivery Mr. Somerhalder—"Elena, meet crazy pants. Crazy pants, meet Elena." Oh man, I must have rewound that at least five times. I laughed so hard. So freaking hard. Just—the delivery man, so freaking perfect. HI-larious.

Then there was the world's most misleading commercial break, hee-hee! Damon is attacked by the travelers, his hand begins to burn, Fade to black. OH NOES! What will Damon do?! Come back from commercial. Damon frowns, “always the daylight ring?” Zooms to baddie, gets the info he needs, quips again, rips out the heart of baddie, grabs the knife from baddie, throws it at other baddie, dead goes other baddie. All done in about 15 seconds. Yup, that's what Damon did. Damon is so bad-ass.

RANDOMS

- Dude, I can't believe Nina Dobrev is playing three characters now. Poor Nina, but I'm excited to see next week, I really am, but dang, poor Nina! Speaking of Amara, I don't know why, but I loved Amara screaming when she saw Elena.

- Katherine and the whole “secret society” thing with Aaron cracked me up. Hee! I love Katherine pretending to be Elena, it's like she thinks Elena is a stereotypical dumb blonde or something, LOL! And, yeah, they do have chemistry... that just wasn't really there when she was playing Elena. Hmm, I wonder now if Aaron—who looked just utterly bewitched with delight by Katherine's Elena—is going to react entirely differently to Elena now, and how Elena is going to handle that!

 

- Sigh, Damon did the standing in front of Elena thing when Silas did his magic-fire-fingers show-off threaten thing. Double sigh.

- So, I said last week that Silas felt like a real character, well, to continue to give credit where due, Silas and Stefan both felt like two different characters to me this week and I felt that Silas was a fun character to watch so kudos Paul.

- Huh. As soon as Silas explained that a doppelganger was created to balance out his immortality in 2.23 we should have known that Amara had to be alive somewhere because it's the only way to explain why there are Amara doppelgangers at all. Because what we “knew” is that only Silas had been given the immortality cure… but to be fair, dumbass Silas hadn't figured it out either. Heh, Damon did figure it out with just a few clues though! Unless I'm missing something… which I probably am. Someone make this make sense for me. I'm missing something, aren't I?

- Janina Gavankar continues to be incredibly awesome. I love her and I love Tessa.

- No Matty again, wah!

- I liked when Elena was talking to Bonnie and kinda just randomly looking around the room all over the place. Damon is much better talking to ghost!Bonnie than Elena is. LOL

- So Stefan has his memory back, hmmm. Hopefully he will remember the stuff he lost it too, including his new take on Caroline and his bit of closure with Elena before Tessa gave him is memories back. I wonder if that could give a new change to how he interacts with her and Damon.

- I loved how Elena was all curled up against Damon in that final scene and before he stood up, you could see that he had his hand draped over her knee. Awww.

 

Another great episode. Actually, I think so far this season, all episodes have been great with nary a clunker in the mix, I'm just still waiting for that OMG!Awesome episode. Come on, November sweeps! Still, great season so far, whee!!!
 
 
 
(Anonymous) on November 9th, 2013 04:52 pm (UTC)
Still didn't watch the episode. Was too scared after I went to tumblr briefly which I don't normally do before I watch. Gosh I'm still worried but you made me feel much better and will try and watch tonight. Do you think I will survive? You always make me feel better. Surely the writers have a decent plan and wouldn't just mess up perfectly built up couple. Sorry I cannot really analyse the episode since I didn't really see it. Thank you for your encouragement in the form of your review
Arabian: Damon13arabian on November 9th, 2013 09:59 pm (UTC)
Why would you be scared? Oh, please, don't tell me that they are freaking out over the Stefan/Elena stuff!?!? Oh, Lord. So stupid. There is nothing there. Nothing. Stefan and Elena are in the past. THE PAST. It's so ridiculous how the D/E fanbase are spending so much time bitching and moaning about the show now that we actually have Damon and Elena. How could they forgot how much Damon/Elena there was while Stefan and Elena were a couple, of course there was going to be some Stefan/Elena when Damon and Elena were together. The difference, as I said, is that with Damon and Elena it was about building towards a future, the Stefan/Elena stuff is just reminders of their past, that's all. Pffft.
dancing till the world ends: tvd: plus i work outlynnenne on November 9th, 2013 05:38 pm (UTC)
I *loved* that Damon talked to Jeremy first! He didn't ask him, he didn't talk it over with him. Of course he was going to do it, but the fact that he talked to Jeremy about it was so amazing meaningful and, of course, Jeremy understood

And then Jeremy says to Bonnie, "She's my sister," and my heart breaks for all of them. Awful choices make for awesome TV.
Arabian: Jeremy02arabian on November 9th, 2013 09:59 pm (UTC)
Yup, yup, yup.
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on November 9th, 2013 06:20 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the negativity over the way the show is going is starting to really grind me down, I had to unfollow some people on Tumblr because it was getting too much. I saw your post there and I totally agree! It was great to finally hear a rational voice who is enjoying the season as much as I am. Not everything is perfect, but the show never has been and I don't expect it to be. I want to see the story unfold and where the writers are going with it before I judge whether the story is good or bad (I have to admit I have been finding the whole Silas thing a bit confusing, so I let it wash over me rather, though it is starting to make more sense now).

All this stuff about fan-serving the SE fans though, well yeah, the writers are doing that and they are going to do so until the end of the show because THAT IS THE SHOW'S PREMISE. What the DE fans think or feel entitled to is irrelevant in that regard; the SE fans did have to sit through DE undermining their ship, the reverse will be true, whether that's a good thing or not. Elena loves Stefan, regardless and always will. Live with it. Damon will still most likely be endgame. (Although I consider myself above the whole shipping thing, I did toss a couple of votes into the poll...).

I did wonder if Amara's 'are you real?' was going to lead to anything and then it didn't – but maybe it will?

Too much Stefan is exactly it. Damon's storyline really needs to go up a gear soon. It's clearly going to be related to all this SE stuff with the way it's been pushed over and over again a bit heavy-handedly.

It has taken me a while to determine whether I like Damon's haircut or not. I have come to the conclusion, that yes, I do like it, it's just that I like some of the previous ones better. I think my ambivalence towards it has actually been a dislike of the lighter t-shirts. I am, and have always been, a big fan of a black shirt. I get that Damon is happy and the clothing choices for him are supposed to reflect that, but I miss black profoundly as something essential to who the character is,

>>Stefan did not piss me off this episode.

He wasn't annoying! What a relief!

>>Alabastering

Petrifying? Calcifying?

>>Silas and Stefan both felt like two different characters to me this week and I felt that Silas was a fun character to watch so kudos Paul.

Yes, but I do think he has achieved this mostly by having Silas shouting a lot. Whatever works!

>> No Matty again, wah!

Oh I hadn't noticed.

I still owe you a couple of comments. I wrote them, I just haven't got round to getting them off my flash drive.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on November 10th, 2013 05:21 am (UTC)
Yeah, the negativity over the way the show is going is starting to really grind me down, I had to unfollow some people on Tumblr because it was getting too much. I saw your post there and I totally agree!

It's just ridiculous. The idea that there is not going to be any S/E at all now that D/E is together is crazy. How people can't see that it's so past-tense though is beyond me.

I want to see the story unfold and where the writers are going with it before I judge whether the story is good or bad (I have to admit I have been finding the whole Silas thing a bit confusing, so I let it wash over me rather, though it is starting to make more sense now).

Exactly. None of the stuff with Pastor Young made any sense at the beginning of last sense, but they obviously knew where they were going with it and it did make sense. Clearly they have a plan here.

THAT IS THE SHOW'S PREMISE.

DUH!

Too much Stefan is exactly it. Damon's storyline really needs to go up a gear soon. It's clearly going to be related to all this SE stuff with the way it's been pushed over and over again a bit heavy-handedly.

I would agree it's heavy-handed if this hadn't been Damon's Achilles' heel from the get-go, his feelings of less-than compared to Stefan. This is just bringing them home in a way so that maybe, finally, hopefuly he can DEAL WITH THEM. So I'm fine with it. I really do hope now that Stefan has his memories back it's going to open the door to Stefan dealing with what happened to him over the summer so we can focus on Damon and his relationship with Elena as opposed to Stefan and his relationship with Elena.

I miss black profoundly as something essential to who the character is

Hmm, yeah, I never got that.

Petrifying? Calcifying?

Works for me.

Oh I hadn't noticed.

I think that's a plus?

I still owe you a couple of comments. I wrote them, I just haven't got round to getting them off my flash drive.

I will get to them when I get a chance. :)
(Anonymous) on November 9th, 2013 09:04 pm (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the review, you are super-positive as always. I want to ask you something - may be it's misplaced here but somehow my browsers can't see the Ask-box on your Tumblr page. So I came here. ))

What do you think writers intentions regarding Stefan this season? I try really hard to understand when or even if there going to be some shift in his perception of himself, some reality check and acceptance of his bad side. I feel like the writers are giving him the circumstances that might lead to his growth - and then nothing happens. May be I am waiting for the wrong thing? May be Stefan is right about himself - that he can do nothing about this ripperness except for bunny diet and it's all about blood and not about his dark side which he is so afraid to acknowledge? I don't know anymore.

I understand that it's a 6 seasons long journey and we can't have his probem solved before the ending. It's that in Damon's and Elena's cases I can see a dynamic, progress in their growth. Stefan is somewhat stagnant to me. Every time he has an opportunity to break through his delusional self-perception - he doesn't. He reverts to being just the same in his own eyes - and in almost every other character's eyes.
This season there have been a ton of opportunities to make Stefan grow. His whole suffering at the bottom of the quarry could have led to some self reflection - instead we got his tipical transference on Damon and Elena. Then amnesia. I was actually excited about it cuz I thought that would be the writers way to free Stefan of his guilt and the formed self-image - and he will rediscover himself or something. But his memory is back along with the guilt and he's gonna be broody and selfrighteous again.

What was the point of this plotline? To stall the triangle on Stefans part? To show how even without memories he is drawn to Elena? IDK. And I'm bummed that the writers wasted so many opportunities to develop Defan. This whole thing with Stefan's drowning and amnesia should have been centred more around the brothers and less around Stelena imo. With your good insight - do you see the signs of Stefan's growth?
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on November 10th, 2013 08:24 am (UTC)
Part I

Hi, thanks for the review, you are super-positive as always.

I honestly do not get the negativity at all. *sigh*

I want to ask you something - may be it's misplaced here but somehow my browsers can't see the Ask-box on your Tumblr page. So I came here. ))

It's fine. I prefer to answer here over Tumblr anyway. :)

What do you think writers intentions regarding Stefan this season?

I think they're trying to get him where he needs to be which is that middle ground. It was more important to get Damon to his middle ground faster because "bad" is worse than "good." So getting Stefan to the middle ground can and will take more time and another big difference is that Damon doesn't like about who and what he is, all Stefan has been doing for 160 years or so has been lying to himself. So there's a lot he has to get through and so there's been a lot of deconstructing that has had to happen first and that's what the last couple of seasons have been about. This one and the next are going to be about getting him to that point where he can finally accept himself and get to that middle ground.

He reverts to being just the same in his own eyes - and in almost every other character's eyes.

I think that Caroline is the only one who hasn't changed her perception of Stefan. I know Elena still says rah-rah-rah about Stefan, but she's not with him. She's not his girlfriend. She may say he was the most awesome guy ever, the perfect boyfriend, blah, blah, but obviously, SOMETHING changed and she can sit there until the cows come home and say it was because she became a vampire, but she was throwing herself into Damon's arms and dry-humping him in Denver when she was still a human. She was struggling desperately between which brother she wanted to be with when she was still a human.

So clearly something changed and she may not be able to voice it, but it was clearly SHOWN that Elena saw that Stefan was not the GREAT wonderful guy she thought he was. We saw that when her switch was off, she was honest and made it clear that she saw through his holier-than-thou act with things she said to him. We heard it when she told him in 4.06 that she wasn’t in the mood to listen to him try and talk his way out of his lies. No, she didn’t call him out on all he’d done in the past, but how she said it, how she worded that phrase, it definitely rang as if she was calling him out on how he had always talked his way out of things in the past. Meaning, yes, she’s been well aware of what he’s done and she’s let it slide in the past, but not this time.

So, yeah, Elena knows, she's just not going to actually say the words as she is, because Elena doesn't roll that way. And Bonnie isn't rah-rah-rah Team!Stefan all the time. Neither is Matt or Jeremy. Damon sees the shit Stefan pulls. Caroline is the only one who is Team!Stefan!with!Blinders!On!All!The!Time!! :D

This season there have been a ton of opportunities to make Stefan grow. His whole suffering at the bottom of the quarry could have led to some self reflection

He was woozy and freaked out on blood right after he was pulled from the water, confused and then his brain was fried with his memories lost. Now we will see what happens. He has his memories back, now we will see how he reacts to those summer months of agony, that self-reflection. Now we get to the fun part!

his memory is back along with the guilt and he's gonna be broody and selfrighteous again.

We don't know that. We have no idea how he's going to act. He might, he might not. We'll see. I refuse to pre-judge the show and get all negative about it in advance.

TBC

Edited at 2013-11-10 08:27 am (UTC)
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on November 10th, 2013 08:24 am (UTC)
Part II

What was the point of this plotline?

I think it was two-fold: to bring some closure to Stefan and Elena because if Stefan has his memories of his memory-loss time, he'll remember how Damon and Elena were there for him and how Elena, while she still cares for him, it is in the past, and that moment they had in the foyer before he went to bed, it was a nice, friend moment. And secondly, allowed Stefan to see Caroline in a different way.

To stall the triangle on Stefans part?

How? It closed the door way more than it opened it.

To show how even without memories he is drawn to Elena?

Stefan was drawn to Elena because she was a hot chick who seemed to have a thing for him. He would have reacted that way to any hot female, it was not exclusively Elena. He was getting his flirt on and was all connecting with Caroline too.

And I'm bummed that the writers wasted so many opportunities to develop Defan.

What opportunities? There were exactly four episodes. And Stefan was pissed at Damon. And Damon is feeling wary and weird about Stefan right now because of the whole doppelganger-soulmate crap. Bonding opportunities wouldn't have made any amount of narrative sense right now. Stefan doesn't remember or know who Damon is, why would they connect? There's plenty of time for that and I think we will get to it, I have no fears there.

This whole thing with Stefan's drowning and amnesia should have been centred more around the brothers and less around Stelena imo.

And we have 18 episodes still to play with... why are we concerned with this as an issue now? When the show is still setting up storylines for the season? It's only episode 6. We've got time and we've already gotten some great stuff. I think it will come.

With your good insight - do you see the signs of Stefan's growth?

Absolutely. Especially with what has happened so far and with what happened at the end of the last episode.

Edited at 2013-11-10 08:28 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) on November 10th, 2013 02:45 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the answer. )) I am sincerely hoping that your take at Stefan's journey is correct.

/What opportunities? There were exactly four episodes. And Stefan was pissed at Damon. And Damon is feeling wary and weird about Stefan right now because of the whole doppelganger-soulmate crap. Bonding opportunities wouldn't have made any amount of narrative sense right now./

I was talking about the writer's choises in handling the whole finding Stefan and amnesia Stefan with Defan-focus. They could have let Damon to be the one who freed Stefan from the bottom of the quarry, they could have given us some genuine brotherly emotions there. They could have introduced Tessa a little differently - idk, delirious hungry Stefan could have ran away from Damon and meet Tessa and there she comes with her story. There was an opportunity to give more of Defan's interactions and emotions. Instead the writers focused on introducing the new character more than giving something to the brothers relationships.

Also they could have handled the whole brotherly "bonding" in 504 differently. There was an opportunity to give some brother's backstory - something about their life and relationships that the audience didn't already knew - Damon could have told something new from the almost 200 years of their life, something about their childhood maybe, anything to make brother's history more complex, rich.

They could have given Stefan to read another diary quote - not the same we already heard in season 3! There was an opportunity to open up Stefan's character more, to show him from the different angle maybe or atleast make it all more believable - the guy has 2154548 journals and he gets to read the same we already been shown - why? Because the writers didn't wanted to bother and write something new it seems. As you pointed out in your 504 recap - the Defan scenes weren't so important to take so much of a screen time - it should have beem given to the Caroline/Elena interactions about Bonnie. But since the Defan scenes were a part of the episode they might as well have been more informative/emotional/meaningful to the brother's relationships imo. Thats what I've meant.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on November 11th, 2013 07:30 am (UTC)
But Damon couldn't find Stefan. That was the whole point of putting Silas in the quarry. They talked about that. Damon had asked Liz to have people search the quarry because he couldn't find him and they knew it was a very long, long shot that they'd find him. So that wouldn't have been believable had they found him without a witch to do a locator spell. And Tessa as a new character is clearly very important to the overall arc that very well may tie into the brothers' story throughout the season.

As for the D/S scenes not being important in 5.04, replacing them with important scenes of them wouldn't have fixed my issue. I needed scenes about Bonnie and her friends, not the brothers because narratively it just wouldn't have made sense considering where they were in their lives, not just in season 05, but where they were at the end of season 04. As much as we may want to see certain relationships explored, if it doesn't make sense narratively, it won't feel right or earned and when the Damon/Stefan relationship is properly explored, I want it to be right and earned. At this moment, they aren't ready emotionally. Things are too raw because of the situation with the triangle.
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Damon/Elena: Smilefaith5by5_1013 on November 10th, 2013 02:52 am (UTC)
Seriously, folks, we have to look at the bigger picture here. This show is all about, well SHOW, not tell, and take a look at the show versus the tell.

Exactly. One of the things I love most about it this show. And it's one of the most simple things that writers don't seem to get. I've seen so many (often beloved) shows in which the writers tell us that things are supposed to be one way and they get frustrated when the fans don't believe it because it contradicts what has been shown. TVD is, happily, very good about that. The writing isn't flawless on the show, but I'm very impressed by the TVD writers overall. Because "show, don't tell" is so important and so often overlooked.

As soon as Silas explained that a doppelganger was created to balance out his immortality in 2.23 we should have known that Amara had to be alive somewhere because it's the only way to explain why there are Amara doppelgangers at all. Because what we “knew” is that only Silas had been given the immortality cure… but to be fair, dumbass Silas hadn't figured it out either. Heh, Damon did figure it out with just a few clues though! Unless I'm missing something… which I probably am. Someone make this make sense for me. I'm missing something, aren't I?

Actually, I'm pretty sure Qetsiyah said she knew the immortality cure worked because she had originally made two. She said she tested the first one out on Amara and then killed her. So we were purposefully mislead.
Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on November 10th, 2013 07:47 am (UTC)
One of the things I love most about it this show. And it's one of the most simple things that writers don't seem to get. I've seen so many (often beloved) shows in which the writers tell us that things are supposed to be one way and they get frustrated when the fans don't believe it because it contradicts what has been shown. TVD is, happily, very good about that. The writing isn't flawless on the show, but I'm very impressed by the TVD writers overall. Because "show, don't tell" is so important and so often overlooked.

Exactly and the fact that SO MANY D/E fans are completely and utterly dismissing this and just trashing the DE writers left and right is driving me crazy. I really need to just completely walk away from the rest of fandom and just stay in my little lj circle as small as it may be.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Qetsiyah said she knew the immortality cure worked because she had originally made two. She said she tested the first one out on Amara and then killed her. So we were purposefully mislead.

Ah, gotcha! I knew I missed something. Thank you.
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Damon/Elena: Smilefaith5by5_1013 on November 10th, 2013 06:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I've seen a bit of the D/E fans and the TVD fandom in general trashing the writers recently. I'm able to just roll my eyes, laugh, and keep on doing what I'm doing, but, with some shows, I do have to just walk away from the majority of the fandom.
Arabian: Damon & Elena25arabian on November 17th, 2013 05:47 am (UTC)
Oh man, I actually saw someone bitching and saying 'TVD, you can keep telling me how good Stefan is but as long as you keep showing me how flawed he is, I won't believe it' and I was like 'OMG! give me a desk to bang my head against.' I read stuff like that and I'm these these morons just have no clue what good writing 101 is. Just no clue.
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Carolinefaith5by5_1013 on November 17th, 2013 03:03 pm (UTC)
To some extent I can relate to their frustration, though I think it's misguided with this show. I'm dealing with a new head writer in one of my other fandoms and, for the sake of shocking plot twists, he recently went completely OOC with one of the main characters (I'm talking most consistently empathetic character to, according to him, cold-blooded killer who lost her humanity years ago). If he had been in charge for a while, I'd be trusting that this is all just a ruse and another plot twist is coming that will explain everything, but he hasn't earned my trust. So, yeah, I can get the frustration when the writers are telling you something completely different from what you've seen and I can understand how crazy it can make you. But the TVD writers have been pretty consistent in regards to Stefan. They've always had other characters saying how good he is while he's behaving in really flawed ways. It's one of the reasons I find him so frustrating a lot of the time. Because he just gets away with his behavior. Just because these viewers haven't noticed it until now...
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries--Caroline pensiveamberfocus on November 10th, 2013 10:45 am (UTC)
I would just like to be having some Stefan/Caroline now if Tyler is going to be out the door. I don't even care about Stefan/Elena stuff all that much. They have good chemistry and I like it when they go up to the line, but I don't want them to cross it. I kind of feel like Damon/Elena is getting too comfortable, so I like the flirting with the memory of Stefan/Elena. I want Damon/Elena to be unsettled, uncomfortable, and crazy/mad/passionate and it's been a while since it has been, so if resurfacing chemistry comes up for S/E to put a bit more excitement and edge back there for D/E, I am all for it. It is a soap after all, and what is a soap without conflict and mixed emotions?
Arabian: Caroline03arabian on November 10th, 2013 11:12 am (UTC)
I don't want to see Stefan and Elena go up to the line because I feel that it's out of character for Elena. Elena wouldn't do that and it would NOT be fair to Damon/Elena fans who have waited for OUR couple for five years now to have to see Elena suddenly act out of character in such a way. When she was with Stefan, she didn't do that, but she would when with Damon? Nuh uh, no way!

And right now, Damon and Elena really aren't too comfortable. Other than the scenes that began and ended this episode with them, they haven't been comfortable since the premiere episode and a few scenes in the 2nd. They've been keeping things, although telling each other by the end of the episode, on edge, moody, etc. They are not comfortable right now. We've had very little couple-time with them at all. Things have been tense with them. The problem is that we haven't been SEEING them together, dealing with the tension... instead it's been for the most part pushed to the side. When we do see them deal with it (Damon's "you are my life" scene, the passion is there). We just need to see them. Excitement and edge with Damon and Elena will come when the writers start focusing on Damon and Elena. Stefan and Elena have NOTHING to do with that.

I do want to see Stefan and Caroline together though, definitely.
bangel_4e: buffybangel_4e on November 10th, 2013 12:53 pm (UTC)
PART I


I agree with everything you said about Katherine. I've always loved her and I will always, always will.
She's such a bitch and she's fierce and amazing.
And yep, she did have chemistry with Aaron, when Elena didn't. Which is kinda baffling..but makes sense, cause Nina's a goodess playing both so differently.
And yes, she was such a cutie at the party.

...I realized that putting aside the whole Katherine murdered Caroline thing (erm, shrug?), those two could be way better besties than Caroline and Elena personality-wise. Sorry, but so true. They mesh together so well. I never would have ever thought of that, but they play off of each other so perfectly.

Ahahah. You know, I thought that too. They fit well and have lots of friendship chemistry, more than Elena/Caroline. And yes, Katherine did kill her and done terrible things to people she loves. But once again, things are overlooked. And it's common for TVD, so common that thank goodness, no one complained that Damon killed and done bad stuff to people and he's there playing house with Elena.
If people watched TVD that way, all characters should each other and end up alone.


...is instinct is to save her. So Elena was right, and I liked that they had that sweet conversation—unknown to the viewers—in full hearing of both Damon and Jeremy which basically means that Elena doesn't feel she has to hide her relationship with Stefan from Damon because she knows it is completely innocent.

Agreed, once again. I wasn't surprised he wanted to save her, that's what he tries to do. And I loved two things: the first is what you mentioned, that they had that conversation in front of everyone and it is SO important. Second, when Elena mentioned that her boyfriends puts her in front of everything, I noticed Stefan looked at her sinking in the words. And I don't know why I liked that, linked to the fact that later, we find out he was in fact trying to save her.


So, bottom-line, it's not fan-servicing for Stefan/Elena fans. It's writing Elena in character. And it's saying that regardless of how good she still sees Stefan and how rose-colored she still sees their relationship, she still chooses to be with Damon!

Yeah, she'll always look at him that way, so she is fully in character. I'm still not over the near kiss from that episode cause it was just there and never mentioned again. Which is cool, cause it means it's not important, but it would have been nice to have her explain that little thing to Damon. Not cause she feels guilty, just to tell him.

...This show is all about, well SHOW, not tell, and take a look at the show versus the tell. We are being told that for two thousand years the doppelgangers have been fated to be together in this grand beautiful love story. But who is telling us this?

Yep, yep. When they mentioned that versions of Amara & Silas were going to find each other and they were fated by the universe or whatever, I was so damn happy.
Honestly, didn't we learn anything from last season?
They're pushing down our throat that they will always end up together. Of course, they're gonna make something happen to break up Damon & Elena, they're gonna put Stefan in the middle, etc...but I have so much faith, no matter what's gonna happen.
As for the whole Stefan/Elena thing. Honestly, I don't really think Elena was so jealous of Stefan sleeping with Tessa (as some people pointed out). I mean, he slept with Rebekah when she was with Damon in season 4 and didn't break a sweat (but yeah, she knew they had history). She was just baffled he could sleep with someone *evil*, who did bad things to them all. Hence, same thing with Tessa.
And I think what she said about him was clear: she said that the Stefan with the memories wouldn't want to sleep with Tessa. She is trying to preserve the Stefan with the memories, *her* Stefan. I don't think it's a bad thing..it's like when she turned the switch off and they wanted to keep her from doing stuff she would later regret.



Arabian: Damon & Elena32arabian on November 11th, 2013 08:18 am (UTC)
And yep, she did have chemistry with Aaron, when Elena didn't. Which is kinda baffling..but makes sense,

I think it's because she just played the scenes so differently. And I swear, man, it's just like she really is like two different actresses when playing Elena and Katherine. We'll what it's like with Amara.

when Elena mentioned that her boyfriends puts her in front of everything, I noticed Stefan looked at her sinking in the words. And I don't know why I liked that, linked to the fact that later, we find out he was in fact trying to save her.

Ooh, I missed that. I'll have to look at that on rewatch.

I'm still not over the near kiss from that episode cause it was just there and never mentioned again. Which is cool, cause it means it's not important, but it would have been nice to have her explain that little thing to Damon. Not cause she feels guilty, just to tell him.

I wonder if that is yet to come.

She was just baffled he could sleep with someone *evil*, who did bad things to them all. Hence, same thing with Tessa.
And I think what she said about him was clear: she said that the Stefan with the memories wouldn't want to sleep with Tessa. She is trying to preserve the Stefan with the memories, *her* Stefan. I don't think it's a bad thing..it's like when she turned the switch off and they wanted to keep her from doing stuff she would later regret.


Yup, yup, yup.
bangel_4e: b1bangel_4e on November 11th, 2013 01:57 pm (UTC)
I wonder if that is yet to come.
Uhm, could be. And I still don't know if I truly wanna see that conversation.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on November 11th, 2013 09:42 pm (UTC)
Like I said below, I want to see Damon deal with it or rather make Elena deal with it. I love her, but she does tend to think it's OK to interact with both brothers in ways that she probably shouldn't when she's dating the other.
bangel_4e: elena3bangel_4e on November 11th, 2013 09:58 pm (UTC)
Yep, definitely. She tends to cross some lines.
Arabian: Damon02arabian on November 13th, 2013 07:58 am (UTC)
I don't think it's intentional at all, but yes, she does. I'd like to see that addressed.
bangel_4e: delena2bangel_4e on November 10th, 2013 12:54 pm (UTC)
PART II


It reminds me so much of an episode of Dawson's Creek where Dawson wants to hit on a girl, he's drunk, she's drunk and in need of comfort and Joey tells him that he can't do that, cause that's not him. At that point, it is pointed out to her that Dawson is not a creation in her mind. And I think it fits the dynamic so well here. Joey & Dawson shared a relationship once, they were soulmates...yet she ended up with Pacey. Well, anyway...my point is that I don't think she was jealous in the true sense of the word.
(even if there are SO many similarities between the shows and the triangle..must be that damn Kevin..God, I love that man!).
Ok, back to TVD..
I think she was trying to keep Stefan from doing things he would find horrible with his memories & the other part is linked to her ego. Cause, when a guy says you're his one true love and even if you have YOUR one true love and you're in love with him and everything, it hurts your ego that that other guy is not pining for you but shacking up with another girl.
But I don't think it means anything bad for Elena and Damon. At all.

So I agree with you when you say it IS weird for her to see him with someone new. She's allowed to feel this way. Now, if she would have been incredibly hurt and was hit by this..that's when I would worry...(based on my personal experience lol).

Oh, Damon and Elena. That initial scene...can I just..? I just felt all warm and fuzzy. That was such a wonderful scene, so much cuteness and teasing and love. Ahh, LOVED IT. Yes, I wouldn't wanted more and yes, I would prefer if they focused more on them as a couple. But you know, I'm also fine like this. Cause they have been a functional, mature & adult couple and I like that we had a very sweet scene, with them just chilling out.
As for the chemistry, Ian and Nina are off the damn charts.
Everything clicks with them, no matter which characters they're playing. And that's so rare and beautiful to see.
(Also, a little off topic..did you see Nina and Ian pics from the party for TVD 100th episode?)


I *loved* that Damon talked to Jeremy first! He didn't ask him, he didn't talk it over with him. Of course he was going to do it, but the fact that he talked to Jeremy about it was so amazing meaningful and, of course, Jeremy understood… and Bonnie saw it, heard that Damon talked to Jeremy and Bonnie understood. Man, I just loved it. Loved all of that so much. Such freaking growth for my bb Damon.

I loved that dynamic too. And what Elena said. I don't know, it just all tied perfectly. But I mean, WHO wouldn't get Damon? I mean, Elena wasn't mad about it and she shouldn't be. WHO wouldn't do the same? Hell, I'd do in a heartbeat. I'd save my love above everything else. But that's how I roll.


Speaking of growth, I also love that it's exceedingly obvious that the doppelganger soulmate crap bugs the hell out of Damon, but he is forcing himself to power through it and just ignore it. He's trusting in his love for Elena, her love for him and just push through it. Go Damon. I'm proud of you,

Once again, I'm proud of Damon too. He's grown so much and gained so much confidence in himself and his relationship. I'm not sure it's gonna last for a long time, but he's amazing.

The Snookie's backyard comment cracked me up. Not that I think Damon watches Jersey Shore but because you just know that Damon keeps up on pop culture simply so that his insults are up-to-date and on target. My favorite line, though, was the final one—and this one was all in the delivery Mr. Somerhalder—"Elena, meet crazy pants. Crazy pants, meet Elena." Oh man, I must have rewound that at least five times. I laughed so hard. So freaking hard. Just—the delivery man, so freaking perfect. HI-larious.

THIS.


Sigh, Damon did the standing in front of Elena thing when Silas did his magic-fire-fingers show-off threaten thing. Double sigh.

Noticed that too. So cute, aw.




Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on November 11th, 2013 08:24 am (UTC)
I think she was trying to keep Stefan from doing things he would find horrible with his memories & the other part is linked to her ego. Cause, when a guy says you're his one true love and even if you have YOUR one true love and you're in love with him and everything, it hurts your ego that that other guy is not pining for you but shacking up with another girl.
But I don't think it means anything bad for Elena and Damon. At all.


Exactly on both counts.

Oh, Damon and Elena. That initial scene...can I just..? I just felt all warm and fuzzy. That was such a wonderful scene, so much cuteness and teasing and love. Ahh, LOVED IT. Yes, I wouldn't wanted more and yes, I would prefer if they focused more on them as a couple. But you know, I'm also fine like this. Cause they have been a functional, mature & adult couple and I like that we had a very sweet scene, with them just chilling out.

*Our* life. Sigh. And yes, I want more, I want to see THEM explored as a couple as oposed to focusing on the Stefan-end of things, but I do enjoy these moments. :)

(Also, a little off topic..did you see Nina and Ian pics from the party for TVD 100th episode?)

Of course. If it's Nina/Ian-related, I've seen it, read it, heard it. Trust me. :)

Once again, I'm proud of Damon too. He's grown so much and gained so much confidence in himself and his relationship. I'm not sure it's gonna last for a long time, but he's amazing.

Oh, I think it's gonna last because, well, it's his growth. It's what we've being seeing since season 02, he's been growing as a person since then, that is what has led him to what he's like now.

Noticed that too. So cute, aw.

I love when he does the standing in front of those he loves thing. Mostly it's Elena, but he's done it for Ric and Jeremy too, but yeah, mostly Elena. *sigh*
bangel_4e: elenabangel_4e on November 11th, 2013 01:56 pm (UTC)
Of course. If it's Nina/Ian-related, I've seen it, read it, heard it. Trust me. :)

I don't know if they're together or not, but that pictures were so, so sweet. A little Sunday treat :)


Oh, I think it's gonna last because, well, it's his growth. It's what we've being seeing since season 02, he's been growing as a person since then, that is what has led him to what he's like now.
Yes, his growth is gonna last. I was thinking more of the fact that he has been so understanding of everything connected to Elena and Stefan since they got together. I don't know if he's gonna keep being so calm with things, but I sure hope so.




Edited at 2013-11-11 01:56 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on November 11th, 2013 09:40 pm (UTC)
They're together; they never broke up. They had some issues, but they worked through them and just have kept a low profile and are slowly coming back out in the public. I have some inside information, but even aside from that, if you pay attention to their tweets, interaction, their families/friends and stuff, it's pretty obvious. (Meaning, yes, that supposed other "relationship" which was never confirmed, just like their "break-up" was never confirmed, never happened.)

I was thinking more of the fact that he has been so understanding of everything connected to Elena and Stefan since they got together. I don't know if he's gonna keep being so calm with things, but I sure hope so.

I don't think he's going to stay so calm, and I actually hope he doesn't. I want him to confront it and deal with it. I want him to face it. He's not Stefan, he's not gonna be fine with the idea of Elena maybe having feelings for someone else like Stefan was. I hope it goes somewhere and Damon deals with it. I want to see something grow from there.

bangel_4e: hpbangel_4e on November 11th, 2013 10:03 pm (UTC)
Inside info, really? :)
That's what I thought too, by the way. Even if there some videos of her and Derek Hough holding hands so that made me think they took a break from the relationship for a while..but I don't know.
As for the tweets and stuff, yes, they made it seem like they kept

I meant that he can deal with it without lashing out (I know he's grown and I'd like to see that continuing). Doesn't mean I want him to be fine with everything. Who would? Aside from Stefan lol
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on November 11th, 2013 10:12 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and it was twice, and he grabbed her hand and it was just in front of cameras and yeah, it was not anything. Trust me. She and Ian are together and the issues were way earlier in the summer. She was never with anyone else. Ever.

I meant that he can deal with it without lashing out (I know he's grown and I'd like to see that continuing). Doesn't mean I want him to be fine with everything.

That's what I mean I want as well.
Florencia: DE (5x03)florencia7 on November 12th, 2013 08:46 pm (UTC)
I'm finally here! YAY ♥

”There was like NOTHING there between Elena and Aaron, nothing, but her and Aaron? So cute.” - I felt the same way! Nina's really awesome.

As for what's happening with Katherine, my first thought was that her *actual* age is catching up, so to speak & her body is ~slowly realizing how old it really is. Maybe that's the catch of the cure?

”He rarely succeeds because, well, he's Stefan, but it is his instinct.” - LOL What a lovely sentence ^^ But yes, I agree. As much as it doesn't seem so, it is true.

”That is what he represents to her and will always represent to her.” - It took me a while to get there but at some point I realized that too & I guess that's how we all operate, so holding that against Elena makes no sense.

”Silas has been moving heaven and earth to be with Amara—that's not fate, that's crazy. Another way of looking at it? That's Silas' choice to make this thing happen” - I LOVED this moment there. Yet another reminder that choice trumps fate. Or rather that we have the power to CHOOSE our fate.

”It feels like there is too much focus on Stefan's loss and feelings for Elena rather than Damon and Elena's feelings for one another and their relationship.” - That's true & a ~little annoying, however, I feel like it's very deliberate & that something big is coming up. Note how we used to have each episode begin with a different character's voiceover – or with multiple ones. And now it's always Stefan's voice that we hear. It seems like, paradoxically perhaps, this season IS going to be all about Stefan – and hopefully it's going to be a breakthrough. Maybe once he finally, existentially *finds himself* the focus on DE relationship will be greater & Stefan factor-free ;) If we're still in for 6 seasons, it seems only right that the last season will be all about Damon & Elena. Or maybe even with greater focus on Damon? Since S4 was very much about Elena & we're yet to have a season focusing on Damon...

”she made it clear that she knew what his choice would be, she didn't blame him, she understood and as painful as it was, it was a beautiful moment because it showed how well she knows him, how much she loves him, how much she *gets* him” - That was really really wonderful. I loved it too.

”He didn't ask him, he didn't talk it over with him. Of course he was going to do it, but the fact that he talked to Jeremy about it was so amazing meaningful and, of course, Jeremy understood… and Bonnie saw it,” - Another amazing moment, one of those “I wish it happened that way” ones that ACTUALLY HAPPEN lol It seems like this season is filled with such moments, especially when it comes to Damon/Jeremy, which is just so great.

”Silas and Stefan both felt like two different characters to me this week” - They did to me too! I also caught myself liking Silas more lol

Reading your thoughts made my day! ♥ ♥ ♥ I loved this post! THANK YOU! *hugs*
Arabian: Damon & Elena32arabian on November 13th, 2013 08:17 am (UTC)
As for what's happening with Katherine, my first thought was that her *actual* age is catching up, so to speak & her body is ~slowly realizing how old it really is. Maybe that's the catch of the cure?

Yeah, that does make sense. So, I'm guessing maybe she can be turned into a vampire again? She may take that risk and try it maybe.

however, I feel like it's very deliberate & that something big is coming up. Note how we used to have each episode begin with a different character's voiceover – or with multiple ones. And now it's always Stefan's voice that we hear. It seems like, paradoxically perhaps, this season IS going to be all about Stefan

I'm fine with the season being mostly about Stefan, but that better not be that we don't get focus on Damon and DE and his and THEIR focus on THEIR relationship, grr. I just need to have more DE now. Too much SE-focus, even if the focus has been clearly putting them in the past (even if too many people are NOT getting that), we need to start focusing on DE!
tj2013tj2013 on November 13th, 2013 09:32 am (UTC)
I didn't comment on specifics for this episode (time flew this week), but I wanted to let you know that I enjoyed reading your recap and the comments immensely. Thanks for putting so much time and effort into this, we all appreciate your positive and enlightening recaps.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on November 13th, 2013 10:23 am (UTC)
Thanks for saying this. I actually was thinking of no longer writing these. I seem to get less and less responses every week. People are dropping like flies and I don't know if it's me, the show, or what. So reading comments like this really do help, so thank you. :)
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on November 13th, 2013 03:08 pm (UTC)
Oh, no, don't stop writing them. We really do enjoy your in-depth analysis.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on November 17th, 2013 05:48 am (UTC)
Thank you. With the comment count getting lower and lower, I just wonder if less and less people are reading them sometimes.
(Anonymous) on November 13th, 2013 01:28 pm (UTC)
I also just want to stop by thanking you for these recaps and your positive outlook that you have on the show! It is true that there are less comments but so are the reviews and recaps on various sites dwindling. A lot of recappers I enjoyed have stopped writing or writing less during this year. So again I'm very grateful that you still do : )
One to put things in perspective but also to give some understanding to what is happening rather then just 'recapping' what happened.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on November 17th, 2013 05:50 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not one to just recap stuff, I like to analyze and break stuff down and unless I love the show, I'm not going to do that, and obviously I still love the show. As long as people are still reading and enjoying my write-ups, I'll do them and I *always* appreciate hearing feedback and other people's thoughts (even the anon comments -- which is why I don't lock these posts) so never feel shy to comment. :)
(Anonymous) on November 13th, 2013 08:30 pm (UTC)
My heart just stopped beating when I read you think about not writing your insightful recaps anymore. Arabian, after each episode I'm so looking forward to your thoughts about it. You see and explain things I often didn't realize that way, also due to the fact that English is not my native language.
In one word, your recaps always make my day, so thank you, thank you, thank you - did I mention thank you...lol!
Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on November 17th, 2013 05:51 am (UTC)
Well thank you for letting me know. It's just that the response count has been getting lower and lower and all I hear is people complaining in the places I go to read so I wonder if there just isn't interest anymore in the show enough to bother even writing these. So please do speak up and comment, let me know what you think. I always like hearing what others who also love the show think of each episode. And thank you for letting me know you like my write-ups and want me to continue doing them. :)
MaelJ0714: facemaelj0714 on November 15th, 2013 07:01 pm (UTC)
Thanks for saying this. I actually was thinking of no longer writing these. I seem to get less and less responses every week. People are dropping like flies and I don't know if it's me, the show, or what. So reading comments like this really do help, so thank you. :)

NOOOOOOOO!! Please do not say that! I know I say this for the most selfish reasons, but you have no idea how much I enjoy your write-ups and how they make my viewing experience better. I cannot imagine watching and enjoying the show now without them. So, please reconsider that thought. :)

With this episode, you just hit on all parts so perfectly that I truly felt there was nothing I could add. Just DITTO, DITTO, DITTO to your every word! From the Katherine and Aaron vs. Elena and Aaron chemistry, Stefan/Elena (which I thought she would have gone to Jeremy or Matt if she thought they were hooking up with Tessa, as well), Damon and Amara (holy smokes, his and Nina’s chemistry is IN-SANE...and loved how you described this), Damon and Jeremy, the randoms – all of it was exactly what I thought and felt and you explained so wonderfully.

I couldn't help but have a moment of self-satisfaction at how much I was on the same page as someone who obviously gets this show so well. :)

And even though it is a late comment, *THIS!!!* (italicized, bolded, underlined, all things emphasized) to your opinion of the Damon/Elena relationship. After watching this episode, the first thing I thought was, “Time to turn up the heat on Damon and Elena.” I TOTALLY agree with you here. As much as I love the sweet, cute moments, it’s just not enough. What makes them such a great couple is the push/pull dynamic, electricity, chemistry between the two. And we’ve had tension-filled situations (withholding information about Silas/Stefan, guilt over Bonnie) that could have been explored and given us some awesome scenes between the two of them. Instead they were either resolved off screen or with throw-away dialogue (“All I do know is that finding out the truth about Megan isn’t going to bring Bonnie back.”) I mean, Elena was obviously not avoiding Damon here. We need more of the couple we are watching for, which unfortunately we did not get in last night’s episode. :Grrrrr: So, again, completely agree.

Thank you for your review. I'm really looking forward to reading your thoughts on last night's episode and will be checking back impatiently eagerly. ;-D
Arabian: Damon14arabian on November 17th, 2013 06:46 am (UTC)
NOOOOOOOO!! Please do not say that! I know I say this for the most selfish reasons, but you have no idea how much I enjoy your write-ups and how they make my viewing experience better. I cannot imagine watching and enjoying the show now without them. So, please reconsider that thought. :)

Well, the reaction to that statement has made me reconsider. Like I said the comments have been less so I thought maybe the interest was less, so I thought maybe I shouldn't bother, but I will continue.

I couldn't help but have a moment of self-satisfaction at how much I was on the same page as someone who obviously gets this show so well. :)

LOL! It's not me, it's about someone who obviously watches the show with their brain on. Congrats, you clearly do so. :)

And even though it is a late comment, *THIS!!!* (italicized, bolded, underlined, all things emphasized) to your opinion of the Damon/Elena relationship. After watching this episode, the first thing I thought was, “Time to turn up the heat on Damon and Elena.” I TOTALLY agree with you here.

I do think it's intentional though. I'll definitely pull a mea culpa if I'm wrong, but I think it's intentional. I think that both Damon and Elena feel incredibly (if irrationally) guilty about this summer and so they are holding back. And I do think we're building up to something regarding that because they ARE a passionate couple and they've been holding back. The dam's gonna burst.

Instead they were either resolved off screen or with throw-away dialogue (“All I do know is that finding out the truth about Megan isn’t going to bring Bonnie back.”)

That stuff doesn't bother me because this isn't a soap opera really. We don't have time for conversations like that, we really don't. And I do think it's deliberate like I said above. It's about the two of them kinda keep things at a distance right now because of that guilt. They are pulling a balancing act right now because they don't know how to deal with the guilt they're feeling. They know it's unreasonable, but it's there and it's gnawing them alive. And I do believe we're building to fall-out from it.

prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on November 16th, 2013 01:10 am (UTC)
I'm still around! Life has just gotten in the way of me being able to comment on the recaps.

But as for the episode and this season really...I just wish the doppleganger thing was done a bit differently I guess. I like that they wanted to explain the phenomenon of how the dopplegangers came to be and I was genuinely hoping that the Silas/Stefan storyline would be more of an exploration of Stefan's blood issues and him having to look in the mirror and see his darker self. But it wasn't...it truly was just Silas being a jackass while Stefan lost his memories and then Silas dies and Stefan regains his memories. Instead of Stefan having to actually deal with his issues they just had the real Stefan take a vacation and put Silas in there to shake things up. It felt like an opportunity wasted to be honest.

And as for the Elena dopplegangers...I think it's just a little bit overdone. I like what they're doing with Katherine and Elena for the most part but I feel like when you pair it with the Silas/Stefan thing...it's just too much. I don't know...I think there's a balance off a bit with the show and I think that it might be because Caroline Dries is still getting the hang of things and is figuring out how to pace storyline and juggle characters because right now i'm on a Elena/Stefan overload and I want more of the other characters at the moment.

But I will give Caroline Dries props for her excellent funny/snappy dialogue and for her pension for creating great character moments during the madness.
Arabian: Petrovas01arabian on November 17th, 2013 06:54 am (UTC)
I'm still around! Life has just gotten in the way of me being able to comment on the recaps.

OK, I was wondering where you were. :) Darn real life.

I was genuinely hoping that the Silas/Stefan storyline would be more of an exploration of Stefan's blood issues and him having to look in the mirror and see his darker self.

I don't know that his darker self (and possibly those blood issues) explored yet. If you've seen the most recent episode and the preview for next week, we are definitely going to see exploration coming up.

it truly was just Silas being a jackass while Stefan lost his memories and then Silas dies and Stefan regains his memories.

For two episodes... but as the last episode showed, it's not over. NOW we are getting to the fall-out of all that happened to Stefan. That's why I decided after season 03 and the summer to stop judging the show based on one episode of even a handful of episodes because they clearly have a plan.

It felt like an opportunity wasted to be honest.

But we can't say that, because it looks like it's coming up now.

And as for the Elena dopplegangers...I think it's just a little bit overdone. I like what they're doing with Katherine and Elena for the most part but I feel like when you pair it with the Silas/Stefan thing...it's just too much.

I think it was a way to seemingly link Stefan/Elena, explain the doppelgangers, explain why Elena and Stefan did connect so quickly and easily and make it clear that, yeah, they'd never work. Plus, give Damon/Elena an obstacle but still keep them together (Damon/Elena vs the Universe... really, what better rooting value can you give a couple?)

i'm on a Elena/Stefan overload and I want more of the other characters at the moment.

This I agree with a bit... BUT, I will say that I was a bit surprised when I watched back both episodes. Because it was so doppelganger plot-heavy, I tended to think there wasn't much Damon, but he was actually featured a lot more in both episodes than I remembered. I'm still hopeful that we're going to start to see the focus shift to him, especially now that we're back to just the original doppelgangers, LOL!.

But I will give Caroline Dries props for her excellent funny/snappy dialogue and for her pension for creating great character moments during the madness.

Very true. And I do think that the balance is there, maybe not plot-wise, but we are seeing a lot of Damon, if not as much of Caroline and Matt (they are the one who've gotten the short shrift). Hopefully that does change with Silas and Amara gone.
Alisha: SoM Dancekalishaka on October 13th, 2014 09:20 pm (UTC)
So totally called this Amara thing, yes!! I'm proud of myself.

I really love the development that they have given to Damon and Jeremy and how they have actually followed through with it. I love that Damon still makes the final calls incredibly decisively. He will always be the one to 'keep Elena alive' no matter the cost. But he has realized that even in that, he still has to let other people in on the decision. And honestly, he knows Jeremy can't make a different call either, but he doesn't even put that call on Jeremy's plate. He tells him how it is. Almost alleviating Jeremy's potential guilt, or trying too. And yet, even with this out, Jeremy pulls the guilt back unto himself. His line of "She's my sister" tells you all that you could ever need to know. He would have made the same decision too. And Bonnie would have made it. Honestly, part of the beauty of these ridiculous characters is that they all love each other so much they would all willingly sacrifice themselves for one another. And it's real. And it's beautiful.

Qetsiyah is losing some of her luster for me. The actress is still bringing it and I adore her, but the character herself just seems so very petty. And if she could have always brought his memory back why didn't she? What was the play? How did it help her to have Stefan out of the loop? She was so self-aware in the beginning of her own distrust and obsession, and yet she continually doesn't follow through on her own understanding of herself. However, genius move making use of Amara in such a way.

Amara....I love that she is completely unhinged. Crazy, much like Qetsiyah, but for completely different reasons. I love that she notes her love for Silas and then stabs him. It speaks so much to how Qetsiyah and Silas obsessed over the things they couldn't have, whereas Amara moved the fuck on to doing what was best for her. While I am sure they will probably make more out of her love for Silas and give them more scenes, it still speaks to a trait that seems to pervade her line of doppelgangers. At the end of the day, they persevere and go for what makes them happy, not what makes other people happy. Katherine has it in spades. Elena tends to follow through as well, it comes across more self-sacrificing, but she still tends to buck against what people think would be the best thing for her to do. And Amara clearly has it too. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I'm going to hold to it nonetheless.

Katherine is wonderful. Honestly I can never sing Nina's praises highly enough because while I know she's playing both, Katherine feels so completely removed from Elena I forget all the time. And Katherine as Elena is always priceless entertainment. If memory serves, I think you see it a bit when Elena attempted to play like Katherine as well, but Nina tends to let the character play their most over exaggerated interpretation of the other character's flaws, how they view them rather than just how they are. And I think that is beyond wonderful. I could gush about it forever.