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31 October 2013 @ 08:24 am
1.05 - 'Sinners and Saints' (The Originals)  
Barely got this one done in time for the new Vampire Diaries. Man, it's tough with this show being on before my day off, LOL! But I got it done, phew! It doesn't help with work being so busy, me being so sleepy at home, and the need to do gifs for the episodes now, hah!

I understand that this is not The Vampire Diaries, but knowing that they were going to completely move the characters onto new romances (again, I understand that) I wish they had sought to actually end more permanently the romances on TVD and not leave all three so open-ended to the degree that they did. Yes, they were either all ended (or in the case of Klaus and Caroline, never begun), but they were left in such a situation that how all three characters are acting now, for TVD-watchers, it feels... off. To start with, now I don't care about Klaus and Caroline, and Klaus isn't all hot and bothered over anyone, but he's also completely not pining over anyone either. And considering he spent the last two seasons doing just that over Caroline to suddenly NOT absolutely is just... you know, off.

Then there's Rebekah who was crazy about Matt, absolutely crazy about him, and a few weeks ago (well, actually a week or so) she was kissing him, beaming all about him and seemed as into him as she ever was (see gifs!). A few episodes ago on The Originals, Klaus even referenced quarterbacks when talking about Rebekah and yet he doesn't even seem to be on her mind at all. Instead, she's all hung up on Marcel as if Matt isn't even a flicker in the back of her mind. And it doesn't track, and as someone who watches both shows, it's frustratingly out of character and a slap in the face as a Matt/Rebekah shipper.

   

Which brings us to Elijah and Katherine. Look, I surprisingly like Elijah and Hayley. That shocks the hell out of me... BUT, as far as Elijah goes, it's only been about one to two days (what with being all daggered up for a few months) since he kissed his Katerina goodbye on the forehead and walked away and he was still very much in love with her (see gifs) and now he's making all moony-eyed looks at Hayley? Really? Come on, show. It's just frustrating.

I mean, it's not like they couldn't have come up with Katherine pulling some kind of horrible betrayal that completely wrecked things with Elijah. It's *Katherine!* But, no, things ended, even if it was goodbye, it was a regretful goodbye where it was clear they both still loved each other and the goodbye was because of familial obligation. So to have the Katherine equation seem to suddenly be gone, just as the Matt equation is suddenly gone for Rebekah, is frustrating.

So, a few rambling paragraphs later, my point is that I don't think they've handled the romantic entangled transfers very well AT ALL. Harrumph! End rant.

As for this week's episode... I really loved it. To me, this was by far the strongest episode they've had. Co-written by Julie Plec (non-shocking), but also (ooh!) Marguerite McIntyre (Sheriff Liz Forbes on The Vampire Diaries)!!), I thought it had so many fabulous elements all-around, I was quite, quite pleased. Took me forever to get to this one, so going with bullet-points. :)

- Despite my unhappiness with how the Katherine/Elijah side of things is pretty much being ignored, yeah, I am shipping Elijah and Hayley. I was grinning when he was all 'excuse me' to Rebekah so he could go see Hayley. And kept grinning all through their scene. :D :D :D

- So I still think that they are setting up a triangle between Elijah, Hayley and Klaus eventually, but it does look like it's more Elijah/Hayley (obviously) than Klaus/Hayley as the to-root-for couple at this point. Hmmm.

- I can't believe we found out right away about who was responsible for Cami's twin... and that it was a witch and not a vampire's compulsion. Double hmm....

- Can't say I missed Cami. Great character with great back-story, but weak actress in terms of charisma. *sigh*

- On the other hand, loving the addition of the priest to the show. So we have strong vampires, witches, werewolves and now humans. Cool! I love all the mystical, including religious, forces coming into play.

- I loved the Sophie backstory and how she basically played the Originals, hahahaha.

- So it's all about killing Davina to bring back Monique (and of course Davina and the other girls too). That's just so awesome and such an unexpected twist. I love that this whole vampires vs. witch huge war/battle thing was a bunch of malarkey, and it was all about what these shows/this universe is always about... family and love. And I adore that Sophie is at the heart of it because Sophie is awesome.

- When Rebekah saw Elijah and ran to him, hugging him, it was honestly the first time that I truly felt a bond between the two of them as siblings. About damn time.

- With that said, can Rebekah go back to Mystic Falls now please? Man, she just is so nothing on this show. She's just the bitchy, baby sister. She brings nothing to the table, serves no purpose other than to be Marcel's epic twu wuv and, yeah, the bitchy baby sister. She was SO MUCH MORE on The Vampire Diaries.

- With that said, I will admit that when they got up in each other's faces in the bar, for the first time I did feel that Claire Holt and Charles Michael Davis had some chemistry, but this great, epic love story that the show is trying to sell, uhm, yeah, a few scenes don't an epic love story make. Sorry, but not sorry. Nope.

- *Sigh* I still think that Elijah should be the lead, not Klaus. He is the more compelling character, and Daniel Gillies is a better actor. :shrugs:

- Sorry, I don't buy Rebekah and Hayley as besties, whatever. I get that Claire and Phoebe Tonkin are best friends in real life, but that chemistry doesn't translate on screen for me. Claire and Nina Dobrev had way better on screen chemistry and I loved watching the two of them interact (as either Elena/Rebekah or Katherine/Rebekah actually). Rebekah and Hayley produce as big a meh as did Rebekah and Caroline, and they were pretty meh for me.

- The whole harvest/reaping thing was cool. Creepy and ooky. I love stuff like that.

So, fantastic episode, but my reservation remains in that another episode that I really enjoyed was written by a TVD person. I'm still holding my breath that I'll love an episode by a non-TVD person, then I'll breathe easily that this show can stand outside the TVD-veil for me. But the Elijah/Hayley squee helps. :D
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on October 31st, 2013 01:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts. For me it was also the best ep so far.
I loved that they explained more of the backstory and this time the explaining was not boring. And how they cut the harvest, telling it from different perspectives - really good.
I am looking forward to see more of Sophie. She is dangerous.
On a more shallow note: Elijah in rolled-up sleeves? So hot.
Yeah, I don't think they will send Rebekah back to MF. So hopefully they will have more interesting things for her to do in the coming episodes? Please, show?
Arabian: Damon07arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:37 am (UTC)
Agreed, definitely the best episode. The backstory was interesting, and it didn't feel like just exposition, it felt like we were being let in on secrets, which is exciting.

Sophie is awesome!

On a more shallow note: Elijah in rolled-up sleeves? So hot.

Mmhmmm!! Yummy!

Yeah, I don't think they will send Rebekah back to MF. So hopefully they will have more interesting things for her to do in the coming episodes? Please, show?

*sigh* Agreed, so, please show do something with her. I know you're capable of it, you did it on Vampire Diaries.
dancing till the world ends: originals: rebel leaderlynnenne on October 31st, 2013 02:06 pm (UTC)
I loved Sophie's backstory in this. It was my favourite thing about the episode. I love her character.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:39 am (UTC)
I love that Sophie is turning out to be such a lynchpin to all of this. So awesome!
bangel_4e: delena3bangel_4e on October 31st, 2013 03:02 pm (UTC)
I agree it was one of their strongest episode, if not THE strongest.

...my point is that I don't think they've handled the romantic entangled transfers very well AT ALL. Harrumph! End rant.

100% agree. They jumped from Matt to Marcel in a second, justifying everything with the fact that they loved each other long ago. I get that the thing with Matt was supposed to be a summer romance but she liked Matt for so long. This I can, to the extremes, understand. (and I agree they did have chemistry face to face at the bar).
But no way in hell I can forget about Katherine/Elijah. Nope. So in love, forced to say goodbye and then this thing with Hayley.
I don't really get it. MAYBE I could even bring myself to like them but there are three things that don't sit right with me:
1. Elijah is still completely in love with Katherine and they JUST said goodbye (but with feelings and everything involved).
2. Before Elijah was back in a coffin, I didn't perceive any romantic feelings between him and Hayley. It just seemed he cared about her for the baby and she was family. But nothing there, at all. And all of a sudden there are.
3. Phoebe Tonkin is a really bad actress. Every line seems forced and the scene with Elijah felt just weird as soon as she started talking.

Aside from this, I really like the show. I feel like I can enjoy every scene without the drama I feel when I watch TVD. The twist was nice and unexpected and I like how they're playing things out. And I think the girl who plays Davina is really good so far.

Ok, random stuff:

-Now, I have some problems about the timeline. The possession of Cami's twin happened 8 months before, during the time of the harvest, or WAY before? Cause Cami's twin looks younger and she looks way older and I was just thinking about it.

-The actress who now plays Jane Anne sucks. LOL Sorry, she really irritates me.


When Rebekah saw Elijah and ran to him, hugging him, it was honestly the first time that I truly felt a bond between the two of them as siblings. About damn time.
I won't lie, I had tears in my eyes. It was a very sweet scene.

Sorry, I don't buy Rebekah and Hayley as besties, whatever.
Yep. Too sudden. Especially for someone like Rebekah. And Claire definitely had more chemistry with Nina.
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:47 am (UTC)
They jumped from Matt to Marcel in a second, justifying everything with the fact that they loved each other long ago.

Which makes no sense with what we know with Rebekah with regards to Stefan and Matt.

I get that the thing with Matt was supposed to be a summer romance but she liked Matt for so long. This I can, to the extremes, understand. (and I agree they did have chemistry face to face at the bar).

Yeah, and at least some chemistry is finally appearing, but still, yeah.

But no way in hell I can forget about Katherine/Elijah. Nope. So in love, forced to say goodbye and then this thing with Hayley.

But I still can't help it, I do like Elijah/Hayley, I'm surprised as heck about it, but I'm sucker for chemistry and I do think they have loads of chemistry.

1. Elijah is still completely in love with Katherine and they JUST said goodbye (but with feelings and everything involved).

True, but Katherine HAD just pissed him off again and he felt betrayed by her again. And he had said goodbye to her. Maybe we read it wrong. Maybe it WAS goodbye.

2. Before Elijah was back in a coffin, I didn't perceive any romantic feelings between him and Hayley. It just seemed he cared about her for the baby and she was family. But nothing there, at all. And all of a sudden there are.

Oh, see this I disagree with. I DID sense that he felt something there in that first episode. I sensed something there in that first episode with them. Something about her touched him. It was more than the baby.

3. Phoebe Tonkin is a really bad actress. Every line seems forced and the scene with Elijah felt just weird as soon as she started talking.

I don't think she's great, and overrated for sure, but I don't think she's really bad, and I think she's actually gotten better working with these better actors and directors on TVD/TO. Plus, as I've said I think her playing this type of character (some what tortured, saddened heroine who is stuck in circumstances beyond her control) is much more suited to her than the sassy, annoying, snarky teenager that she played on The Secret Circle and The Vampire Diaries. But again, personal opinion.

Aside from this, I really like the show. I feel like I can enjoy every scene without the drama I feel when I watch TVD.

So freaking agreed, LOL!

And I think the girl who plays Davina is really good so far.

YEAH!

-Now, I have some problems about the timeline. The possession of Cami's twin happened 8 months before, during the time of the harvest, or WAY before? Cause Cami's twin looks younger and she looks way older and I was just thinking about it.

Yeah, good point. I dunno.

-The actress who now plays Jane Anne sucks. LOL Sorry, she really irritates me.

I thought she was OK, but nothing to write home about, LOL!
bangel_4e: delena3bangel_4e on November 3rd, 2013 02:40 pm (UTC)
Maybe we read it wrong. Maybe it WAS goodbye
Maybe. It didn't feel like that, but it's just so sad if it was.

Something about her touched him. It was more than the baby.
I'd have to go back and re-watch the scene but I do remember my mind didn't go to a romantic place during that scene.

Plus, as I've said I think her playing this type of character (some what tortured, saddened heroine who is stuck in circumstances beyond her control) is much more suited to her than the sassy, annoying, snarky teenager that she played on The Secret Circle and The Vampire Diaries
I agree with this. Way better than TVD, but I still feel it forced sometimes. When said something like "welcome back" (can't remember the exact words) it felt so unnatural. But she got better, I have to admit that.


About the Sean/Camille thing.I read a bit of infos on vampirediarieswikia. I think the scene we saw where he was studying to be a priest and Sophie told the priest about the witches, was before Cami & her brother went to college. So I guess 18 years old. It says: "Soon after it was placed on him he committed the mass murder-suicide causing Kieran to leave the city for 8 months before the Harvest". That means what? Maybe 1 year has passed? Then we had the uncompleted harvest and Davina kidnapped so another 6 months, a year?
We have roughly 2 years and Cami should be 21, when is also stated she is born in 1988 and should therefore be (if we are in 2013 on the show) 25.
I'm a little confused right now, to be honest. lol
Arabian: Elijah & Katherine04arabian on November 17th, 2013 04:52 am (UTC)
I didn't feel like goodbye to me either, but maybe that's because we didn't want it to be goodbye. :(

Tonkin is better here than she was on TSC and TVD, but she's still not very good. And the more she's given to do, the more obvious that is. *sigh*

Yeah, the ages don't make sense because he does like a lot younger than Cami that's for sure. Hmmm.. I'm confused too, LOL!
bangel_4e: elenabangel_4e on November 17th, 2013 08:30 pm (UTC)
Agreed about Phoebe.

And yep, ages are just weird..,maybe with more info in the future we will be able to figure that out.
faith5by5_1013faith5by5_1013 on October 31st, 2013 04:14 pm (UTC)
I very much agree with you about how frustrating it is that they completely dropped (without explanation) all of the romantic entanglements with the TVD characters. It's kind of difficult for me to adjust to. I'm hoping that they figure out a way to balance that and give the viewers who are fans of both some closure.

That said, I am, surprisingly, liking Elijah/Hayley after this episode (though I still don't care at all about Hayley herself).

After taking some time to mull it over (and deal with the fact that I was letting my real life stressors/mood completely take over my post about it), I like it a lot more. Still not my favorite episode so far, but I think it's one of the stronger ones.
Arabian: Elijah & Hayley01arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:48 am (UTC)
I very much agree with you about how frustrating it is that they completely dropped (without explanation) all of the romantic entanglements with the TVD characters. It's kind of difficult for me to adjust to. I'm hoping that they figure out a way to balance that and give the viewers who are fans of both some closure.

Yeah, me too. Maybe February sweeps? I dunno.

That said, I am, surprisingly, liking Elijah/Hayley after this episode (though I still don't care at all about Hayley herself).

Yeah, and it looks like with Elijah finally with the others, we'll have some E/H stuff in the next few episodes, so we'll see how things play out with them. Hmm.....

After taking some time to mull it over (and deal with the fact that I was letting my real life stressors/mood completely take over my post about it), I like it a lot more. Still not my favorite episode so far, but I think it's one of the stronger ones.

Yeah, this one and the Pilot are my faves. Hmm, Elijah-heavy episodes, what a shock! LOL! I'm so predictable.
ancholia: unch solveigancholia on October 31st, 2013 10:57 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with all you said. I'm too tired to argue much but you're right about Elijah/Hayley, I was a bit shocked too, most of all because I love the Elijah/Katherine complicated relationship and because they moved too fast, this isn't credible to me.
At least, we got Elijah back! I love this character so much, I want to see more of him. I think Joseph Morgan is as good an actor as daniel Gillies but his character has been too much exposed and exploited in TVD to remain interesting.

Anyway, I really like the show so far. I hope I won't be disappointed.
Arabian: Elijah02arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, I like their chemistry and I've managed to block out the Elijah/Katherine stuff because I knew they were going to just shut the TVD stuff down, but I do agree it's just not credible. I just want to enjoy the show though so I'm just separating the shows at this point, it's the only way I'm gonna manage it.

Yes, SO GLAD to have Elijah back. Eh, I think Daniel Gillies is better than Joseph Morgan, but I always have, LOL!
Florencia: TVD (All Is Well in Mystic Falls)florencia7 on November 2nd, 2013 04:40 am (UTC)
”It doesn't help with work being so busy, me being so sleepy at home” - *HUGS* + I totally sympathize! These days I either work or feel sleepy lol

”my point is that I don't think they've handled the romantic entangled transfers very well AT ALL.” - Yes, that's true. I'm just doing my best blocking all TVD-related thoughts while watching TO, otherwise it'd be really hard to get into all the romantic entanglements. Because of Elijah/Katherine the final Elijah/Hayley was a bit weird too watch, but maybe the sense of weirdness will fade over time... I do think that it wouldn't hurt if they waited with romantic scenes on porches until mid-season ;)

”I can't believe we found out right away about who was responsible for Cami's twin” - I was surprised too. I was expecting this to be a twist of some sort & to be revealed MUCH later.

I love that it turned out that Sophie is at the heart of of the entire conflict, basically, and that she's literally one of the key characters.

”Co-written by Julie Plec (non-shocking), but also (ooh!) Marguerite McIntyre” - Yes, I was just so ridiculously happy when I saw that! Lol
Arabian: Damon&Liz01arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:39 am (UTC)
I'm just doing my best blocking all TVD-related thoughts while watching TO, otherwise it'd be really hard to get into all the romantic entanglements.

Yeah, that's how I feel. *sigh*

Because of Elijah/Katherine the final Elijah/Hayley was a bit weird too watch, but maybe the sense of weirdness will fade over time...

I'm surprised I've managed to block it out as well as I have. I think I mentally prepared myself over the summer because I expected it.

I love that it turned out that Sophie is at the heart of of the entire conflict, basically, and that she's literally one of the key characters.

I KNOW!!!