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05 October 2013 @ 02:07 am
1.01 - 'Always and Forever' (The Originals)  
So I watched The Originals' official first episode. Thoughts behind the cut. Not as long as my TVD post, but longer than other TV posts I generally write. And, yeah, I think I'll be doing write-ups for this show too, oh yeah! :D

Not surprisingly since Elijah is one of my favorite characters in The Vampire Diaries universe, I liked this version of The Originals Pilot better than the backdoor Pilot that aired during The Vampire Diaries because it focused more on Elijah rather than Klaus. Still having both of them give so much more of the story was great and I kinda hope that they just have a super long-extended version of the Pilot and combine them on the DVD.

I really liked this A LOT. Elijah just remains the epitome of awesome. And damnit! he had chemistry with both Sophie-Anne and (surprising to me!) Hayley. I was not expecting that. But since I know there is no way I'm getting Elijah and Katherine at this point unless The Originals is cancelled and the Originals come back to TVD, I know I have to give up that dream (sniff! sniff!) I'm willing to seek out other ships for my beloved Elijah. there's the antagonistic bent to the Elijah/Sophie thing, and then the protective stuff with Hayley. I did like his promise to always protect her. I didn't think he was being romantic or thinking that way at all because of course in this specific timeline, he's still very much in love with Katherine (double sniff! sniff!), but still, possibly setting the stage for down the road (which of course sets up an interesting dynamic via Klaus, Hayley the baby and Elijah).

I like that they flat-out addressed the elephant in the room. Duh! Klaus is a vampire, he's dead. And the simple response was, well, nothing's impossible with the Hybrid. And that works for me because, hello, this is all supernatural make-believe. I really like all of the casting so far. A lot. Except for two. My continued misgivings about Phoebe Tonkin, but I know I'm stuck with her and honestly she seems to fit in better here where she's not playing the snarky teenager, but the more mature, serious smacked by the 'life sucks' truck so at least there's that. And for some reason Leah Pipes as Camille the bartender just rubs me a bit off. Hopefully that will get better.

The others I really like. Especially Sophie-Ann. And Marcel. Is freaking hot. Like every scene I'm just more and more whoo! boy! Damn, he is HOT! Like hella hot! Yeah baby. And he's a really good, charismatic actor.

I liked the flashbacks. I liked how they incorporated flashbacks from The Vampire Diaries and even other little things (like Klaus killing the hybrids from "O Come, All Ye Faithful") and I hope they continue to do that from time to time. I loved seeing Sebastian Roche's Mikael again. I hope we continue to see him in future flashbacks. I imagine we will. Erm, but if we do see more of Kol, I hope it's like this (ie, in the coffin!).

And, of course, I have to comment on the end. Klaus, Klaus, Klaus. Really? Staking Elijah? Really?! Come on, Klaus! Boo, what am I gonna do with you? Seriously! I can't say it wasn't surprising though, or that he didn't actually have a point about Elijah's mercy and love. But still... oh, Klaus, you got a lotta growing to do and lessons to learn.

Random thoughts ...

- I LOVED that the credits had the identical dripping blood drop like TVD credits do!
- I did like Hayley's, "your dad's a dick." LOL!
- Elijah's promise to help Klaus kill the coven of witches was rather chilling.
- I don't know if it's still up, but over the summer, the CW had an extra scene on the TVD site tacked onto the end to "The Originals" episode of the witch Davina that Marcel spoke with at the end of this episode that was *very* interesting. Here it is on youtube, but it's a crappy quality, but still better than nothing.


- I still very much wonder what is going to get Rebekah to New Orleans, especially after this stunt that Klaus pulled.
- So Rebekah and Marcel have a past. I hope Claire Holt and Charles Michael Davis have chemistry!

Overall, I very, very much liked this. And I really do wish this came on after TVD. It would be great to have a continuation (even if I didn't watch it right after TVD) of that world. It felt like TVD because it is these characters, and it is this world. I can't wait for the next episode!
 
 
 
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on October 5th, 2013 09:24 am (UTC)
Personally, I thought it was painfully dumb.

Don't get me wrong, Elijah was amazing all throughout the episode and I'm pretty sure sooner or later he and Klaus are going to find themselves back into another love triangle because he's got more chemistry going on just talking to Hayley than Klaus did while banging her.

The problem for me is that what happened had zero sense in the way of internal logic.

Sure, Elijah is baby and family crazy, but Klaus definitely isn't, especially after even his supposedly loyal hybrids broke the sire bond and tried to kill him. klaus, in fact could not care less about Elijah rosy-tinted dreams.

In a remotely logical world, what would have happened was Klaus responding to the witches’ blackmail scheme by snapping Hayley’s neck himself, shrugging that now that he knows he can always find another werewolf girl to fuck should he feel the need of an heir, and then proceeding to slaughter the entirety of the witches for their daring, followed by slaughtering Marcel and the whole of his gang laughing maniacally all along while Elijah blubbers over the magical baby that wasn’t.

By next day, Klaus sits as king of New Orleans pretty as you please and Elijah is back in a box.

Frankly, as shitty as it is to dessicate your family, the daggering of Elijah was the only moment Klaus seemed remotely like himself or a plausible villain.

TBTP decided they just had to have a spinoff adn I completely approve of geeting rid of the boring Originals from the main show, but as premises for a show go this is nonsensical.
Arabian: Rebekah04arabian on October 5th, 2013 10:57 am (UTC)
As I said in response to your post, t I don't think that any werewolf girl will do. I think Hayley is special. There's definitely a mystery about her family. So Klaus just can't kill Hayley and go knock up any ole random werewolf chick. There's a reason behind the fact that Hayley was given up for adoption and they set up her looking for her family as this big arc starting on TVD.

klaus, in fact could not care less about Elijah rosy-tinted dreams.

But that's not what's it about. It's not about the baby for Klaus, it's about what the baby can represent. It's about belonging. Klaus wants to belong. It's what he's wanted since he found out that he is not Mikael's son. He hasn't felt he's belonged since then and he's wanted that feeling back for a thousand years. A child of his own could give him that sense of belonging back and Elijah senses that and *that* is what Elijah is dangling in front of him. Not the child, not the rosy-tinted family, but the belonging.

And Klaus does believe in loyalty to a degree, he's not going to slaughter Marcel because Marcel hasn't betrayed him... yet.
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on October 5th, 2013 01:26 pm (UTC)
I’m sorry but I don’t quite agree, not just about Hayley’s theoretical specialness, but mostly about Klaus.

Sure, he might have wanted to belong, but more than that he wants control.

He spent decades stuffing his siblings in boxes whenever they didn’t behave like he wished. His mother betrayed him by not telling him his origins and then keeping him from his birthright and then trying to kill him. His father used to hit him and then spent his unlife trying to kill him. Even the hybrids he longed for for so long, who were magically hardwired to be loyal to him, eventually broke that bond and tried to murder him.

There is no effing way he would regard this impossible child, this loophole of nature, as anything but a threat and a way for witches to control him, weaken him and possibly get rid of him. A king only needs an heir if he plans to die and Klaus has been around for too long not to know that most times it’s the heir who makes sure the king does in fact die.

Considering the Mikaelson family history, no way would the gain outweigh the risk, especially with pesky witches involved.

No way would that be worth being leashed to the witches’ will. No way would that be worth being made to obey anyone else’s will.

This guy slaughtered the very beings he longed for for centuries rather than simply let them be free the moment they became a risk, he almost killed a girl he has some twisted fondness for out of spite and horribly abuses the sister who has stood by his side for a millennium. But I’m supposed to think he would not have a chick he’s had a one night stand with and a baby who is at least a wild card be hurt or killed even if that puts him at odds with a guy he used to like and basically enslaved to a bunch of witches?

No. Nope. No way.

But hey, agree to disagree.
Arabian: Elijah02arabian on October 6th, 2013 12:20 pm (UTC)
Because they all betrayed him first. He only slaughtered, daggered any of these creatures because they betrayed him first. Yes, he would turn on this child... if this child betrayed him. But if he could groom this child from infancy, there is the belief that this would be the one creature who would never betray him. He only turned on any of them when they betrayed him.
west46th on October 6th, 2013 02:36 am (UTC)
Spot on about Klaus, as always. :) Like the show itself said (paraphrased), "Family is power."
Arabian: Rebekah04arabian on October 6th, 2013 12:20 pm (UTC)
Exactly.
sunnytyler001: clarasunnytyler001 on October 5th, 2013 11:29 am (UTC)
Agreed!
sunnytyler001: clarasunnytyler001 on October 5th, 2013 10:59 am (UTC)
Lots of love for Elijah. I know the writers are trying to make us ship him with Hayey, but I thought Sphie woud be a better match for him ( as he said, she's honourable, very protective of her family- can do bad things to protect/avenge her kin, even if she's honourable- smart, a good strategist, ... sounds like someone we know, right? ;D Also, she's a fierce brunette, and we know that's his type XD)
Hayley's storyline is too much Twilighit-ish for me. And the "special girl" thing? Nope. Sorry, but I can't. As for Cami... it nearly looks like they just needed a Caroline clone to play Klaus love interest and reproduce the Caroline/Tyler (prodigal/rebellious/... 'son'/'former puppet')/Klaus. From what we've seen in season 4, Cami is interrested in art, and educated (is she going to tell EVERYONE she's studying psychology?), and with an open-mind.... it's like they were trying to create the perfect girl- looking like Caroline but maybe a bit more "understanding"?- for Klaus.
Right now, it's not working. Cami, from the scenes she had in season 4 and in the pilot, sounded boring and like a new "Lana Lang" (if you watched the first season of Smallville, you know what I mean). Maybe they'll give her an interresting background (please, not another orphan, grieving her parents at the cimetry on Sunday afternons) or an interresting storyline (more than the girl stuck in a love triangle between the "hero" and his nemesis).
Daniella sounded like a brat to me. Betraying her kin for Marcel? Ok, he's hot- but he's killing the other witches!!!
I'm curious about how everything will go... but the ratings were not very good, so there might b a chance we won't get a second season... if they don't cancel it half way through season 1... :S
Arabian: Rebekah02arabian on October 6th, 2013 08:23 am (UTC)
Part 1

Lots of love for Elijah.

Elijah is such perfection. I love him so much.

I know the writers are trying to make us ship him with Hayey,

I don't think the writers are trying to make us ship him with Hayley. I think they are leaving the door open because they certainly laid open seeds with Sophie-Ann as well. I think we will see which way the winds blow, especially since right now Elijah is very much in love with Katherine. Yes, it wasn't mentioned on The Originals, but they know that most who watch TO also watch The Vampire Diaries and at the very point of this episode, Elijah is in love with Katherine so the door is WIDE open.

Hayley's storyline is too much Twilighit-ish for me.

I don't think there's anything Twilight-ish about Hayley. Other than the fact that she's brunette and is pregnant by a vampire. But, she's nothing else like Bella. At all. In any way. There are only so many plots left in the fictional world, it's the characters that make a story different and Bella and Hayley are nothing alike. And Julie Plec is about a gazillion times a more talented writer than Stephanie Meyer on Meyer's best day and Plec's worst.

And the "special girl" thing? Nope. Sorry, but I can't.

Why not? Harry Potter was special and I freaking loved that about him. King Arthur was special. Snow White was special. What's wrong with having someone be special? Why is that a bad thing? As long as it's well-written and woven into the fabric of the story to create compelling character-written drama, it's an awesome thing. And I have every faith that Julie Plec and company can and will do exactly that.

As for Cami... it nearly looks like they just needed a Caroline clone to play Klaus love interest

I do NOT understand this complaint. She's blonde. That's it. How is she a Caroline clone. Because she's blonde? Her name begins with C? THose are literally the only things she has in common with Caroline. She's not flighty, she's not a control freak, she's not a high school/college student. She's not involved with someone else as far as we know. She doesn't hate Klaus, thus have a love/hate relationship with him. She's a psychology major. She likes art. She's not best friends with someone he tried to kill. She doesn't have a vendetta against him. She has NOTHING in common with Caroline other than that she is a blonde. She is no way at all a Caroline clone. At all.

and reproduce the Caroline/Tyler (prodigal/rebellious/... 'son'/'former puppet')/Klaus.

Again? How? Caroline and Tyler were frenemies who became lovers because Caroline helped him despite not liking him when she found out he was a werewolf despite that he was a vampire, a kinda Romeo/Juliet storyline. How in anyway does that describe anything at all that we know about Klaus and Camille at this point? It doesn't. I understand that if that happens, that could be a legitimate complaint. But why are you complaining about things that have no basis in anything on the show at this point?


Continued ...

Edited at 2013-10-06 08:24 am (UTC)
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on October 6th, 2013 08:24 am (UTC)
Part 2

From what we've seen in season 4, Cami is interrested in art, and educated (is she going to tell EVERYONE she's studying psychology?)

She told two people, Klaus and Elijah, because both of them who are older than sin started talking to her about philosophical things which got her talking about it which is not something you generally do with strangers. If most people started those conversations (that Elijah and Klaus did), the other person would look at them oddly, Camille didn't, she joined in the conversation, thus her explanation. It was a perfectly normal reaction to explain why she did so. It wasn't odd. A person would do that. And because of their ages, Klaus and Elijah would do what they did because of this situation.

it's like they were trying to create the perfect girl

How is she the perfect girl just because she's educated and likes art? THere's a lot more than that that goes into perfection.

looking like Caroline

A blonde. She's just a blonde. There are a lot of blondes in the world. They don't all look alike.

Maybe they'll give her an interresting background

Considering she's had only three scenes at this point, I think maybe giving her a bit more time to have a background story might be do-able.


Daniella sounded like a brat to me. Betraying her kin for Marcel? Ok, he's hot- but he's killing the other witches!!!

I don't know, I didn't get that. It kinda sounds to me like you're looking for reasons to dislike the show. You're assuming negatively about everything we don't know instead of waiting to see what is gonna happen. We don't know why she's helping. Maybe she has a crush. Maybe there's a weird spell on her. Maybe he saved her life and he's been raising her from birth. We don't know. But you're assuming the worst about every aspect of the show basically it seems.

I'm curious about how everything will go... but the ratings were not very good, so there might b a chance we won't get a second season... if they don't cancel it half way through season 1... :S

The ratings were pretty good for a CW show actually. Most CW shows don't get above a 1.0 in the 18-49 Adults demo. Only three shows ever do. Beauty and the Beast would regularly get .06 in that time slot. TO got a 1.0 That was dang good for that time slot for the CW. It's going to air regularly at 8:00 on Tuesdays, considering its competition, if it gets between a .08 and 1.0 in the 18-49 Adults demo, it will be considered a ratings win for the CW.

Edited at 2013-10-06 08:28 am (UTC)
faith5by5_1013: Other: Brain Canonfaith5by5_1013 on October 5th, 2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed this episode. I'll definitely be watching (and posting about) this show.

I agree about Camille. Honestly, during the original backdoor pilot, it seemed like they just hired a blonde to be another Caroline, which clearly doesn't work at all. The actress and the character are just not even remotely interesting to me.

Marcel is my favorite new character. He is very charismatic.
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on October 6th, 2013 08:30 am (UTC)
Obviously, I liked it too.

But ...

it seemed like they just hired a blonde to be another Caroline

I do NOT understand this complaint. I've seen it elsewhere. She's blonde. That's it. How is she another Caroline just because she's blonde? Her name begins with C? THose are literally the only things she has in common with Caroline. She's not flighty, she's not a control freak, she's not a high school/college student. She's not involved with someone else as far as we know. She doesn't hate Klaus, thus have a love/hate relationship with him. She's a psychology major. She likes art. She's not best friends with someone he tried to kill. She doesn't have a vendetta against him. She has NOTHING in common with Caroline other than that she is a blonde. She is no way at all a Caroline clone. At all.

Marcel is my favorite new character. He is very charismatic.

It's a tie between him and Sophie-Anne for me. I really like her.
west46th on October 6th, 2013 02:32 am (UTC)
Yay! I had a feeling you would like the Elijah focus. :) Intellectually, I sort of get why they felt the need to retell the story (to attract non-TVD fans), though I did miss Klaus. ;p I agree that Hayley was more likable with Elijah than she's ever been with Klaus. I also liked Sophie-Anne better here, as well -- hee, female characters are always better served with Elijah vs. Klaus. ;p

I actually think the backdoor Pilot made the argument for why TO needs both Klaus and Elijah as dual leads. Fire and ice, so to speak. Evil and good. Too much Klaus and Marcel, and it's going to get like frat boys who need adult supervision.

- I still very much wonder what is going to get Rebekah to New Orleans, especially after this stunt that Klaus pulled

It didn't occur to me until you said something, but I now wonder if that's exactly what's going to get Rebekah to New Orleans. Maybe Klaus isn't going to be able to resist bragging that he's daggered Elijah again. ;)

(I did LOVE Rebekah in the few scenes we had of her, though. :)

And I really do wish this came on after TVD.

You may get your wish -- considering TO is against Agents of SHIELD...if it drops too much, I can see CW wanting to save it vs. "Reign." Plus, it's not like it's unprecedented (look at NCIS and NCIS: LA!)

Looking forward to your reviews, as always!!! :)
Arabian: Rebekah01arabian on October 6th, 2013 09:26 am (UTC)
Yay! I had a feeling you would like the Elijah focus.

Oh, I did, I did. And honestly, I really do wish that he was the lead, not Klaus. I still don't understand why they think Klaus is a bigger draw. :pouts:

Intellectually, I sort of get why they felt the need to retell the story (to attract non-TVD fans), though I did miss Klaus. ;p I agree that Hayley was more likable with Elijah than she's ever been with Klaus.

To be fair, we did only have a few scenes with Hayley and Klaus, but it will be interesting to see how things play out with them now with her being the mother of his kid and all.

I also liked Sophie-Anne better here, as well -- hee, female characters are always better served with Elijah vs. Klaus. ;p

Very true.

I actually think the backdoor Pilot made the argument for why TO needs both Klaus and Elijah as dual leads. Fire and ice, so to speak. Evil and good. Too much Klaus and Marcel, and it's going to get like frat boys who need adult supervision.

OOH! Very, very good point!

It didn't occur to me until you said something, but I now wonder if that's exactly what's going to get Rebekah to New Orleans. Maybe Klaus isn't going to be able to resist bragging that he's daggered Elijah again. ;)

Honestly, I was thinking of this after I typed this up, but I was too tired to go back and edit it, so I'm glad you said something. I think this will be it too. Maybe Rebekah will go back to New Orleans looking for Elijah because she won't have heard from him in four months.

(I did LOVE Rebekah in the few scenes we had of her, though. :)

Always love Rebekah.

considering TO is against Agents of SHIELD...if it drops too much, I can see CW wanting to save it vs. "Reign." Plus, it's not like it's unprecedented (look at NCIS and NCIS: LA!)

Three weeks ago, I would have agreed, but the ratings are dropping pretty dramatically for both SHIELD and for NCIS, so as long as TO gets between a .08 and 1.0 (especially the latter), the CW will be very happy with it where it's at. We'll see.
Florencia: TVD (Rebekah)florencia7 on October 9th, 2013 06:23 pm (UTC)
I didn't watch 1x02 yet BUT I did watch 1x01 yesterday so here I am! ;D

Overall, I have to say I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Especially pacing/editing worked really well, I think, and I loved how even though we got bits & pieces of what we've seen they were incorporated into this episode in such a way that everything felt completely new. I also love that while we know the characters and there is that spark of familiarity, it actually felt like a brand new show.

I didn't expect so much Elijah, so that was a wonderful surprise too. As far as acting goes, Sophie-Anne and Marcel are both awesome and I agree with you about Hayley fitting better here than in TVD for some reason.

I love that Marcel's secret concerning controlling the witches has something to do with another witch. There's a nice mystery there.

The only thing that made me go *headdesk* was Klaus daggering Elijah lol NOT AGAIN. Can everyone please stop daggering Elijah??

I'm so happy that you'll be posting your thoughts on TO too!!! :D
Arabian: Elijah02arabian on October 10th, 2013 03:52 am (UTC)
I was surprised too! I expected it to have just a few scenes the way I heard about it, but it wound up being mostly new and the few scenes that were already seen were meshed in very organically.

I also love that while we know the characters and there is that spark of familiarity, it actually felt like a brand new show.

Agreed!

I agree with you about Hayley fitting better here than in TVD for some reason.

I really do think it's because she just doesn't work (despite being sold as totally awesome as the snarky teen, :rme:) as this obnoxious, snarky teen. She works so much better in this setting, as this kind of persona.

Can everyone please stop daggering Elijah??

THIS!!!!!!!!!