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18 May 2013 @ 06:35 am
4.23 - 'Graduation' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So the last episode of the season aired. As much as I adore this show, I am always grateful when the season comes to an ed because I can breathe! And I have my Thursdays back, LOL! Still, it's been a great ride and I can't wait until the fall. But let's stick with the finale for now.

So this has taken a while to write. Obviously. Sorry about that. I just... it's not that I don't know what to say. I jotted tons of notes down, but wrapping it up all together has been a trying task. Not because I didn't love the finale. I did. Absolutely. I literally cannot think of one single thing that didn't work for me. (OK, fine, one thing... ugh, Tyler.) It's just been such a tumultuous season for the show and fandom. I've lost fellow viewers along the way, gained some new ones and there's been so much uproar and anger that it's been frustrating for me because I think the show is still pretty damn fantastic. And here we are at the end of the season and, well, I was right this time about Damon and Elena. I'd like to believe that it wasn't my biased optimism but that it was based on actually paying attention to all of the threads this time as opposed to just "my couple" as I did last season.

Ah, last season. We had Elena make a choice between Stefan and Damon. And this finale, she made another choice between Stefan and Damon. The thing is that I still don't buy that she actually made a choice in "The Departed" and I don't think she made a choice in this finale either. Last year, she didn't choose Stefan to be with, she chose to say goodbye to Stefan and their relationship that followed, with Elena as a vampire or not, was doomed to failure. They had so many issues that had never been resolved and Elena had grown and changed so much over their time spent apart that they no longer meshed. I honestly believe that had they not all believed that death was imminent for Stefan and Damon, Elena wouldn't have made that "choice." And had Elena not died, she would have officially ended things with Stefan. Everything she said to Matt made it clear that her heart was with Damon. She was in love with Damon, but she was still fighting with the idea that she should be in love with Stefan. She knew the truth of her feelings; she just wasn't able to face them. She told Matt "that’s what love should be. You should love the person that makes you glad that you’re alive." And in this episode she told Damon that "in death [he's] the one who made [her] feel most alive."

It took trying to make it work with Stefan before falling apart that she was finally able to face that Damon was her choice. But she didn't make that choice in this episode. She made that choice in "We All Go A Little Mad Sometimes." When she woke up and saw Damon there and ran through the events of what had happened and then she looked at him and she smiled and she told him that he had saved her. *That* was the moment that Elena Gilbert made her choice. And she spent the rest of the season telling him repeatedly that he was her choice. That she loved him. That it was him.


In the last couple of episodes of season 03, Elena was struggling, torn between Damon and Stefan and she was struggling because she thought it *should* be Stefan, but once she made her choice after the Hunter's curse was broken, she never wavered. There was no struggle and thus there was no confusion in this episode on her part. She had already chosen Damon. Every time she went to talk to Damon, it was obvious that she was just waiting to tell him but first the cure-gift, Damon's wound and then her anger with his choice to not take the cure got in her way. Elena had made that choice with a clear head after trying to make things work with Stefan, after dealing with her worst fears and doubts thanks to the hallucinations. And after all of that, Elena chose Damon. The problem was that because of the sire bond (yeah, more on that later), no one believed her. But Elena never wavered in her belief that she loved him and she proved that to him this night because she didn't just tell him that she loved him. She essentially told him that she loved him just the way he was, wrong choices, terrible person and all. And she wasn't sorry.

Everything about her first face-to-face 'I love you' to Damon--which I absolutely knew would happen only when there was no doubt that it was fully 100% Elena's real feelings--was perfection and perfectly true to who Damon and Elena are as characters and that I loved so very much. I don't think that I can adequately describe just how much I loved it. It was so not hearts and flowers, but instead it was simply so, so, so very them. Damon, of course, was convinced that she wouldn't want him with the sire bond gone (pfft!), so he acted like an ass to make it easier for her to walk away. Elena, on the other hand, was done with that nonsense from him and just pushed through. She admitted without hesitation that, yup, he'd been a terrible person (and I nodded every time she said it) but that she still loved him. Basically, it was the Damon/Elena version of hearts and flowers. Damon was telling her: 'I love you, but I'm not good enough of for you because I screw up and I'm selfish and I'm bad for you. So there's your out, no need to be nice. Just walk away.' And in return, Elena told him: 'I love you, you idiot, and I don't care that you're not perfect. I know all the good, bad, terrible and in between about you and I don't care. I LOVE YOU. I'm not walking away.'

   


And it was perfect because all of the assurances and pretty words hadn't worked on Damon before (admittedly, Damon was stuck on the sire bond thing too, but still... this is Damon we're talking about) because he can't help but harp on the fact that he's not good enough for her. That he's the bad brother. So this time Elena just laid it out for him. She knows exactly how bad he can be, but deal with it, she loves him. Period. And she's simply not putting up with his issues anymore. She's standing firm and they continue to be completely honest with one another, a far cry from her relationship with Stefan where they were constantly keeping anger, frustration with one another at bay and tip-toeing through angst and projecting it elsewhere to preserve the sanctity of their idealized love.

But with Damon and Elena, it's not like that. She had no problem making it perfectly clear that she was pissed off at his choosing to die and she didn't hide it. (Nope, she slapped him good, LOL!) She didn't try and hand wave it away, make an excuse, or submerge her feelings. She laid it all out, not just with the slap but when she came upon him later. She was annoyed, rolling her eyes, just so irritated with him but it was healthy because it was open and honest. They know *exactly* where the other stands and that is amazing and awesome. And her anger with his decision to die was such a lovely parallel to Damon's anger at Elena for choosing to die at the beginning of the season. I love that we now have a full-circle Elena in the same frame of mind about Damon as he is about her, one that essentially boils down to "Fuck choice, save your life!"

Proof of that was her reaction to Alaric's asking Stefan if he should force the cure down Damon's throat. Two season ago, Damon forced *his* blood down Elena's throat to save her life despite it not being her choice. Hearing Alaric ask Stefan if he wanted him to essentially do the EXACT same thing to Damon to save his life despite it not being his choice, Elena very clearly gestured to Stefan to tell Alaric to do exactly that. Because, yeah, when you love someone Elena, fuck choice, you save their life. And Damon is now in that category for Elena (just as Jeremy is, and Elena and Stefan are for Damon).

Because she loves him. Uh huh.

    

I loved, loved so much beyond the dialogue in this declaration of love. The parallel with "My Brother's Keeper,“ the two of them before the fireplace, propelled into each other's arms by the force of their feelings--this time his kiss cutting off her third declaration of love because he just had to kiss her--was just perfection. And also perfection was the song choice. The song was leaked prior to the airing of the episode. When I looked at the lyrics, I had my first real moment of doubt.
    Wake up lonely with you by my side
    One more night it doesn't feel
    There are movies playing in your eyes
    You dream of our fortunes

    But you're wrong
    I don't belong to you

    The moon is the only friend I have outside
    One more drink and I'll be healed
    I told you the words and then knew it was a lie
    I wish I could offer an appeal

    You're wrong
    I don't belong
    You're wrong
    I don't belong to you

    What I'd give for that first night when you were mine
    Tried with all that I have to keep you alive

    I wasn't taught this way
    With a thousand things to say
    I was born with a broken heart
    What I'd give for that first night when you were mine
    Thought you were mine

    So I'll put this cigarette to bed
    Pull some sheets from off your side
    I put my arm around you safe in the night
    Still dreaming of fortune
    But you're wrong
    I don't belong
    You're wrong
    I don't belong
    I don't belong
However how they used the song, the lyrics, the melodic build-up was, again, just perfection. Taking into account the place these characters are, you can interpret the first of part of the song describing a man who doesn't believe the love is real even though his girl does and this was shown by the first clear "I don't belong" on Damon because it's what he believed before Elena proved him wrong. And then we had the music begin to soar into that rising bridge where the words don't even seem to matter, the music creates this wondrous feeling of catharsis before the scene switches to Stefan and we come back down to earth. The softer strains and the final verse that ends on the second very clear "I don't belong" and this time it's on Stefan who just heard Elena's passionate declaration to Damon. It was just brilliant how the writing, the musical, stage and acting direction all worked together to perfectly fit the tenor of every part of the scene.

So, yeah, Damon and Elena coming together was perfect. Honestly, though, I was pretty dang happy with all of their scenes. Going back to the season 03 finale, I made it very clear that the only two reasons I was bummed that Elena was a vampire is because I wanted Elena to choose to be a vampire to be with Damon. And I wanted her to make the choice to become a vampire. Therefore I wanted her to somehow become a human again so I could have both of those. However, as this season went on and the cure came up, I realized that I could still get my wish even if it came from an alternate route. As long as Elena chose to NOT take the cure, she'd be choosing to be a vampire with Damon. And that's exactly what happened.

She had the cure in her hand and first she told Damon that, oh, yeah, I want it, but, but, but... what about all the people in Mystic Falls that will be hurt by the Hunters if we don't give them the cure for Silas? And then two seconds later, oh noes, Damon is dying, needs the cure, screw all the people in Mystic Falls, Damon, take the cure! And then that fell by the wayside with Ric and Rebekah pretty effectively taking out the Hunters and this time, even though she told Damon (oh, so convincingly) that she did want the cure (never mind she was happy to give it to Silas, and then to Damon...) without a qualm, she instead hands it over to Stefan.

Elena chose to NOT take the cure. She chose to remain a vampire and since we know now that there was no choice for her to make between the brothers (she'd already chosen Damon in her heart), she chose to remain a vampire with Damon even as she offered Stefan the chance to become a human, someone that she would leave behind as he grew old and passed on. In her conversation with Stefan, everything Elena *wasn't* saying was so painfully obvious to Stefan. To wrap it all up in one very obvious sentiment: She really, truly is no longer in love with him. Telling him to be human while everyone else (including her and Damon) would be fine as vampires. Telling him that he deserved whatever he wanted (except, of course, clearly even if he wanted her, that he wouldn't be getting). To me, it was a lovely bit where we saw exactly where both of them were emotionally and it opened that door wide open to closure for Stefan. And it was done in SUCH a beautifully Elena way.

At first, I thought she was talking to him as she had to Damon before Stefan took off with Klaus. But it wasn't that, she was talking to him as she does to Matt. She loved him, but he was her past. Her thank you was genuine, and sincere and friendly. There was no longing, no looking back. And I liked that her acknowledging his fight for her humanity was a lead-in to Stefan fully giving that same acknowledgement that she had done the same for him last year. Very nicely done.

Oh, but right, I was talking about Damon and Elena's scenes that I loved. Like that first one where Damon told her to take the cure and she didn't so aha! there is no sire bond anymore. Uhm, OK. Just because she lost her humanity, then gained it back, the sire bond is gone? Hah. No. And Elena not doing what Damon told her to do as proof there's no sire bond? Hello, there are plenty of things that Damon told her to do that she didn't do. Still it's fine for me because I am happily content in believing that it was totally fake because again with the inconsistencies abounding. But it was necessary to get all of the characters (except for Elena, because girl didn't need it) to the place they were at the end here. Stefan needed to be able to work through his feelings about Elena's feelings, and be able to be at a place where he could be happy (or rather *not* not happy) for his brother and he wasn't there after Elena chose Damon. And had he not had the sire bond to hold onto, it may have re-damaged his relationship with Damon. By believing there was a chance, he was able to hold on, but at the same time he saw Damon and Elena together and separately and he saw the love. And he got time to get used to it.

As for Damon, well, he needed to learn to trust his instincts when it comes to Elena and I'm not sure he could have done that without the sire blond temporarily blocking him off from doing so. He made so many bad choices due to the sire bond and things only began to click back into place when he did what he thought was best for Elena. And at the end when she confirmed that she loved him that was the final piece that proved his instincts were right the night of the Miss Mystic Falls pageant. When he held out his hand, when he danced with her, when he spun her into his arms into a passionate kiss because he believed that it was real. Now he knows, yes, it IS real. Yes, she loves him. Unconditionally, the good and the terrible that he's capable of. And I don't think he would have been there this soon without the consequences of the sire bond.

Fake or not. And, yes, I still say it's totally fake but I'm fine with it not being spelled out. It was all about believing what you wanted or could only allow yourself to believe. Elena couldn't believe her feelings weren't real so she constantly questioned the idea that this sire bond had created them, thus questioning the sire bond. Stefan and Caroline wanted to believe it was real because they weren't ready to accept that Elena was no longer in love with Stefan and had fallen for Damon. Damon allowed himself to believe it because he couldn't accept that he actually got the girl. However, as time passed, even with her switch off, Elena's feeling for Damon were so legitimate and Stefan and Caroline saw the reality of how much was real and there between Damon and Elena that it was easy to believe that with the switch turning the bond off, it wouldn't come back. So, they believed what they wanted to believe. And I am choosing to believe what logic, canon characterization and facts present to me--the sire bond was a MacGuffin designed to get these characters to where they needed to be. And I will laugh so hard if some random comment from Meredith gets thrown out towards the end of the series about her not using Damon's blood to heal Elena thus officially no sire bond. But again, either way, I'm fine with it.

And I'm also fine with my interpretation of Elena's reaction to Damon giving her the cure. I know she said that she wouldn't take it because of the Hunters' demand, but her expression read to me as her not wanting it because there's only one and if there's only one then Damon can't take it too. The last time she talked to Damon about the cure, not realizing there was only one (with her humanity intact), she had wanted him to take the cure with her so they could be together, grow old together. I read in her expression that she was thinking of this--she didn't want the cure if she couldn't have it with Damon. And the fact that she was so ready to give the cure away (yes, to Damon, but to save his life) and then to Stefan and then to Katherine (OK, more forced rather then gave, and to save *her* life) said to me that it wasn't about the Hunters' demand. It was about Damon not being able to take the cure with her.

Oh, oh, oh and more than that indication of her feelings for him (she was near tears when she said that it would kill him!), but we also got some Jere-love! He was the one who came up with the idea of saving Damon via the cure (yeah, screw the peeps of Mystic Falls) because Jeremy loves Damon!

(Speaking of... I'm dropping a season 05 spoiler here: [Spoiler (click to open)]JEREMY WILL BE LIVING WITH DAMON! I AM FILLED WITH SO MANY FEELS OF JOY OVER THIS!)

 

You know who also loves Damon? Stefan! And Alaric! And Caroline! (OK, not Caroline, but she cared enough to use her Klaus-power and called him non-stop to get him back to Mystic Falls to save Damon's life.) But back to Stefan and Damon and their awesome (actual)bro-mantic love. I will admit it, I totally choked up when Stefan told Damon that while he wasn't happy about Elena, he wasn't *not* not happy about Damon. I love that Stefan said that. And I love that the show proved again that they know that it was important to show that Stefan felt that. And, of course, we also saw that despite Damon's happiness over getting the girl, he was kinda the opposite. He was happy about Elena, but he was not happy about Stefan because he loves his brother. Seeing his awkwardness with him, his sincerity as he offered to help and how grateful he was at Stefan's words was beautiful to behold.

 

And now back to Alaric! He saved Damon's life. He was willing to force-feed the cure down his throat. He had his back, he was his best friend and whether we (or Damon) sees him or not, we know that he'll be looking out for Damon. *sigh* But why can't we see him??! I want Ric to come back somehow. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy about Jeremy--Elena needs her brother and being denied Damon/Jeremy feels makes me haz a sad!--but the last season with Ric he was so not Ric for so much of it and it really hampered the joy of the Damon/Alaric bromance and it's just been a full, beautiful, heartwarming form these last few episodes. I want him back! Damon wants him back! Wah! That final shot of Damon standing there with two freshly poured glasses and no Ric... *sigh*

 

He got the girl, but he lost his best friend. Again. But he's got Jeremy! Because Jeremy is alive! I can haz more Damon/Jeremy!??!??!?! And if Matt doesn't wind up in New Orleans eventually come next season, can I haz more Damon/Matt?!?! And Damon/Matt/Jeremy?!?!? PRETTY PLEASE! Because while I've always loved Damon and Jeremy interaction, this season introduced the joy and beauty and awesome of Damon and Matt, and we were teased briefly with the very awesome Damon/Jeremy/Matt. I want more!

Which reminds me, I do have one teeny complaint that I freely admit makes perfect sense as played out. I would have liked it had Damon been with Alaric, Elena and Jeremy while they ate greasy take-out... in a graveyard. (Oh, this show.) But, again, I admit it made sense for him not to be there and I did enjoy it. The alcohol, Alaric trying to get Elena not to drink it, Elena ignoring him, Jeremy then going for it and Elena trying to stop him and him ignoring her, LOL! The simple appreciation of greasy food and being with their little family. The genuine smiles and laughter. It was pretty wonderful. Then stupid Connor called. Grr. But it's OK because Alaric took care of that. Protecting his bar and the 18-year old girl that he taught to kill vampire and vampire hunters. Go Ric!

And go Klaus! Yes, I just typed that. Came just in time to take out the witch who Caroline murdered before she and her supernatural buddies took out our vampires with a graduation-cap-decapitation. Yeah, that's Klaus. And that smile Caroline sent his way that he so suavely returned was lovely. Klaus, Klaus, Klaus. I may not *love* love you, but I do love you. I don't ship Klaus and Caroline, you all know that, but I do enjoy them and see potential (way down the road even if not endgame) with them, and I really loved all of their scenes tonight. They were pretty adorable and this Vampire Diaries ending was perfect for them. I thought that the kiss on the cheek was right, the smiles were right, the walking off into the night was right.

   

Except Klaus was wrong. Tyler Lockwood is not Caroline's first love. Her first love was Matt Donovan. Yeah. So by that logic, if Klaus was wrong about that, then he's wrong about being her last love... because that will be Stefan. Uh huh. Speaking of, OK, they so did not have much interaction in this episode, but did you see? Caroline made Stefan smile. :) Aww! (And Stefan in turn grabbed Matt's ass. OK, then.)

 

Seriously, I did like that we were able to have that happy moment with the batch of them graduating even amidst the oh-so normal crazy of their lives. It wasn't too much time spent on it, just enough to give us the viewers and these characters that touchstone. Still it was such a small thing in the overall scheme of things that I wasn't particularly thrilled with the episode title. "Graduation" was just rather bland and underwhelming. I think they should have named it "My Shadow Self." It would have made no sense before the episode aired and then when Katherine called Elena her shadow self (more on that in just a bit) it would have elicited an 'ooh!' reaction from viewers... and then BAM! the Stefan/Silas (Stilas? Steflas?) reveal would have generated a reaction of 'WHOAH!!!' Ah well.

Uhm, yeah, that Katherine/Elena showdown. Awesome! Even though this time Katherine was the one doing the major ass-kicking--which I think proves that anger really does give vampires, regardless of their age, that extra strength since Elena had the upper hand during enough of their fight last week--Elena was the optimal queen of bad-assery in my eyes. She gave as good as she got. She never stopped fighting. And she gave some fantastic sass. "Kicking someone while their down, classy till the end, Katherine." I don't know why, I just LOVED that line and the delivery. And speaking of... seriously, Nina Dobrev was fantastic. It was again one of those cases where even though logically you know it's the same actress playing the two different roles, they are so different that it *feels* like two different actresses. So magnificent.

And next season, she gets to go back to playing one vampire, one human... it's just switched characters. Because, yeah, Katherine is a human now. OK, then. Wow! I did NOT see that coming... and how. Elena flashing back to Stefan refusing the cure, her pulling it out and forcing into Katherine's mouth, using Katherine's surprise and Elena's vampire strength to keep her mouth closed so the container broke and Katherine had to ingest it. And so now she is human while Elena is still wonderfully, beautifully Elena, just in vampire form. She didn't kill Katherine, because vampire or not, that's not how Elena wins her battles. She wins by using her heart, her brains and her guts. She doesn't bluff, she take risks, she sizes up the situation and she cares. Here she used her brains and outplayed Katherine and she didn't even have to kill to do it. Because Elena Gilbert is FREAKING bad-ass!

 

Just as Rebekah Mikaelson is. Distracting Matt, promising him a trip around the world for a boy who's never set foot out of his small town. Risking her heart again to kiss that boy and then sending him on his way to achieve his human rite of passage while she weathered through an enormous explosion. Being shown compassion, having someone like her has allowed Rebekah to drop her hardened shell and that sweet vulnerability has been blossoming into this beautiful strength that is beaming with openness and joy. I love that she kissed him, and it was SUCH a beautiful and so well-earned a kiss. I love that Matt didn't blame her and that he was in it with her to the very end. He trusted her. And he wanted her to save herself. It was.... guh, just beautiful. I loved it, I love them so! All the Matt/Rebekah feels IN THE UNIVERSE!!!!

   

And then that final scene. More glorious feels and oh my bb Rebekah looked SO happy and it was wonderful to see. Matt staying true to his word to Tyler and his understandable vampire-issues still wanting to go on a tour of the world with this girl. Whatever happens on the road stays on the road, hee! And that he could joke with her about that Italian church, "don't get any ideas to turn me into a vampire so we can live eternally ever after" was awesome because he can joke, he can smile and he can accept and be free, open and honest with her. I LOVES IT!

   

And that love was filled with joy and squee and none of the bitter that encompassed my feels during the Jeremy and Bonnie scenes. I actually did tear up during their last scene. But wait--first they kissed. Jeremy wanted to be with Bonnie when he left, but had so much to say he didn’t know what to say. So after almost two years, she kissed him and it was beautiful. And then the spell worked. And Jeremy breathed and he was alive; he looked at Bonnie and she told him the truth and it was wonderful and blissful and for a moment, I hoped that Bonnie had been included in that spell this time, but then I remembered that Jeremy can see ghosts. And Bonnie held onto him, but he couldn't feel her hand. :sobs: My beautiful rainbow and sunshine, puppies and kittens couple!! Noooooooooooooo!!!

 

But at least JEREMY IS ALIVE!!! YAY!!!! But, but, but, but... again, WAH! WHY CAN'T ALARIC BE TOO!?!?!? Hey, since Bonnie is for real a long-term ghost (and Kat Graham will be a regular next season still) maybe we'll at least see a lot more of Alaric next season due to her presence and Jeremy's ghostly visionary-power. One can dream, right? *sigh* Honestly, I'm still kinda shocked that Bonnie is dead-dead and has stayed dead-dead. Yes, we'll see her, but she's a ghost, ya'll. Bonnie is dead.

Man, I was so overwhelmed with Bonnie feels throughout her every scene. Bonnie and Grams continue to own my heart, from Grams making sure to remind her that she say goodbye, to the two of them walking off hand and hand at the end (:sobs so hard:). And how Bonnie totally pwned Kol's ass. 'It's what I want, but we don't always get what we want.' Oh, Bonnie. You are a true hero and I don't know that I ever loved her more. And Kat Graham just played the hell out of every moment. With Grams, with Jeremy, trying to keep that heaviness from infecting this final happy high school memories with her friends. There was this one specific moment where I just caught my breath because it was so beautiful, so bittersweet, so well-done. Caroline was going on and on about college and triple-dorm rooms and she was so happy and excited and Bonnie was just looking at her, so much love and so much pain held in reserve written all over her face. Man. And then she left with Grams.

 

I just... guys, I just fucking love Bonnie Bennett so much! She's so awesome and I'm so glad that, ghost or not, we're not losing her.

And I'm sure we're not losing Stefan long-term. Boy, oh, boy, Stefan. First he allows himself just the teensiest bit of hope that Elena knowing her heart without the sire bond will want him back (although, I truly believe that he didn't believe that would happen). Then the girl not only doesn't even NOT choose him (because, again, yeah, Elena had done made her real choice a while ago), she tries to give him a gift that essentially says that while she wasn't willing to become a vampire for him, she's willing to remain a vampire alongside his brother. Then he gets some fun times with his best friend, only to lose her all over again. Yet none of that was even remotely the worst part of his day. No, he got the grand kicker.

He's a doppelganger... of SILAS! OF FREAKING SILAS! And Silas staked him and stashed him in a safe and then threw him into the bottom of the quarry. And water was coming in. So Stefan is going to drown. Come back. Drown again. Come back. Drown again. Come back. Over and over and over and over again. While suffering desiccation through lack of blood. Until someone figures out that he is in a safe at the bottom of the quarry.

Oh, my Stefan. My poor, poor, beautiful bb, Stefan. Oh, boy.

Phew! Now time for the randoms --

- So, erm, I'm not quite sure why we needed Kol's recap at the pre-graduation ceremony and oh, yeah, how did he get all the supernaturals there? Did he send out a bat signal? LOL! And, Kol, no, our little band of misfits did NOT want to unleash hell on earth for their own selfish reasons. In fact, they deliberately ALL chose to NOT do so, very explicitly so. Bonnie was trying to thwart Silas. Dumbass. So glad Bonnie played his ass in the end. Sigh, to be fair, sarcasticcheese pointed out that whether he knew the truth or not, he was probably just trying to rally the troops. Yeah, that works. He's still a dumbass though.

- It's a small thing, but I love the remembered details that come to light so often... like Stefan/Lexi and their Bon Jovi connection.

- Yup, I officially no longer hate Lexi. I knew that she was the one attacking Damon in the preview and I was prepared to hate her again, but nope, just laughed because, yeah, Lexi is still just bitter that she fell for Damon and he played her ass, muahahahahah!

- "Little Gilbert." I love when Damon calls Jeremy that. Squee. Oh, and I loved how in that scene (where Stefan did not deign to fix his hero hair, LOL!), Damon was thinking, totally realizing that something had gone wrong with the Bonnie spell. I love Smart!Damon. He's so sexy. (OK, pretty much every version of Damon is sexy, but Smart!Damon is in the upper tier of Sexy!Damons.)

- Yeah, this smile on her face when she sees him? So was ready to tell him she loved him right then and there. And then her easy smile at his cherry-flavored joke. SQUEE!!!

 

- Duh, Damon! Elena is choosing you over practically everyone else in Mystic Falls dying. Hello! Wake up and smell the love, you idiot! Oh, Damon. (It's OK, Idiot!Damon is sexy too.)

- Aww, I think that's the first time that we saw Jeremy in Damon's room.

- I may not care much about Bonnie's dad, but I couldn't help but smile when her dad called her name at the graduation and when she said her 'goodbye' to him. It was so bittersweet.

- Damon's speech to Vaughn at the quarry was hilarious. "Well, uhm, let me see, so I dragged his stone ass through here. I flung him in that general direction, then he tumbled down into those weeds. I kinda lost him in the rocks. What do you know about physics? What is it? It's uh, distance equals velocity times time? Guess I shoulda told you to bring some scuba gear, huh?" Hahahaha! "I dragged his stone ass through here..." LMAO! Oh, Damon.

- I mentioned it above, but once more for fun! Hee! Elena making sure that Damon was fine and dandy... and then wallopping him but good! (And some bonus Shirtless!Damon!)

 

- Another small related Damon/Elena thing I liked was how the show gave us a little insight as to why Elena loving Damon, terrible person and all, was clear to her when she earlier described her actions to Alaric and Jeremy using the very same word, "terrible." She knows how deeply and terribly one can be driven by vampirism because she was driven there herself.

- So I was wondering what the point was of the Lexi/Alaric conversation about other side and hoping that there is some sort of peace beyond that. The fact that they chose to include this talk in the middle of the action and emotion-packed finale intrigued me. And I think maybe it's a starting point to reveal by the end of the series that even though we will lose some of our beloved characters to permanent death, they will find peace and some version of happy ever after... eventually. I think.

- As for not so beloved characters... *sigh* Maybe Tyler won't come back? Or it won't be long-term? Let me have the dream, folks!

- So Jere was dead, right and everyone knew? There was a gravestone and everything. Now, uhm, him being alive again... how is that gonna go over to the rest of Mystic Falls who aren't in on the whole supernatural situation? That's gonna take some explaining, methinks.

- I love how we continue to get the deconstruction of Stefan and Elena and their "twu wuv foreva!" Stefan asked Lexi "what if Elena was the one?" Even he is questioning that now. Yes! And Lexi's answer -- she was, but just one of multiple ones. Works for me. Because, of course, Caroline will be another one ... the last one. (Sorry, Klaus.)

- Hmm, so no mention of Rebekah going to New Orleans yet. I do wonder on how they plan on making that happen and what role Matt will play after their summer together.

- Hahaha! Great foreshadowing, Ric asks if he should shove the cure down Damon's throat and later Elena shoves the cure down Katherine's throat. Oh yeah. I love this show.

So, so, so, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much. I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. I just, gah! As long as it continues with this level of unbelievable, unassailable awesome, The Vampire Diaries will definitely be my favorite show of all time. Four seasons and counting and I love it just as much as ever. One more season down and I continue to LOVE EVERYTHING THAT THIS SHOW CHOOSES TO BE!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! And once more for the road...............

 
 
 
(Anonymous) on May 18th, 2013 12:08 pm (UTC)
Yay! Well I guess you loved this finale almost as much as me! haha.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on May 18th, 2013 12:26 pm (UTC)
I totally did. :)
hotarujazz: hands and dance 4x07hotarujazz on May 18th, 2013 12:35 pm (UTC)
I agree with 90% of your review. OMG It's last one this season!*nostalgia attack*

I have to say that I didn't find Stefan annoying in this episode which is a miracle!XD I'm so excited for next season because I feel like Paul Wesley does better villain than the good guy. I think he will be the best big bad so far! I'm excited to find out more about Salvatore family background and hope to god that we will finally be introduced to mama Salvatore!

I only had one huge problem with this episode and difference of opinion with you. I hated the Elena thanking Stefan scene with a passion because to me it's a retcon of the whole season! Stefan constantly gave up on Elena this season and was roped back into helping her by other characters! Plus, it bothered me that she even went there so soon after the torture(which was Stefan's idea). It honestly made me sick because I felt like I was watching the abuse victim thank her abuser for the abuse.(the funny thing is that I wasn't that bothered and put off by torture itself or even the idea of torture)

DE was unbelievably perfect and I still can't believe that the show actually fulfilled the shipper fantasy that is Damon and Elena choosing each other and being brutally honest and messy while doing it! DEREMY!!!!!!!!! I'm still in shock that we'll get legitimate daddy Damon and Little Gilbert and the show better not f this up!
Arabian: Elena05arabian on May 18th, 2013 12:49 pm (UTC)
Well, considering that Stefan essentially did the same thing back to Elena then I guess he was thanking his abuser as well? Because Elena was all gung-ho for torturing Stefan and watched it happen when Lexi was doing it when Stefan's humanity was shut off. I'm sorry, I just don't think given the circumstances that Elena holds Stefan or Damon or any of her friends for going along with it in bad light. She had killed someone and kept trying to kill her best friends. She was grateful for the fact that they were willing to go to extremes to bring her back to herself.

As for Stefan giving up on her, actually he didn't, not from where I saw. He desperately wanted to bring Elena back. First by use of the cure, then doing whatever was necessary to get her humanity switch back on. The only time he gave up on Elena was when he gave into his despair and wanted Rebekah to erase his memories, but considering what he'd just heard from Elena I can't blame him. I judge him for it, but I don't blame him. And I don't think it was him giving up on Elena, but more him taking a first big (albeit selfish) step in giving up on *them.*

And I don't see how one can blame Stefan and not Damon because he was right alongside Stefan doing the torturing. Plus this is just what Stefan and Elena's relationship always has been--and a big reason why I don't ship them--they don't face the dirty, unpleasant aspects of their interactions because it messes with the idealized image they have of each other. And that is why they can never work long term. Elena looked at the positives of what had happened and accordingly thanked him and he did the same for her. That's how I saw it. These two in a nutshell, all surface, no depth. All gloss, no shine.

And, obviously, yeah, I agree with everything else because SO MANY GREAT FEELS in this episode!!!! :D
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Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on May 18th, 2013 02:11 pm (UTC)
What took you so long?! I was expecting some preliminary squee post!

I think this has been a though season to follow. There have been a few things that have made it a frustrating watch, like the sire bond and the cure and the trauma and the whole confusing Silas mystery slowly unfolding, and I think it’ll stand up a lot better when it’s watched in quick succession on box set. I think I said something similar last year and that may just be a symptom of the kind of show it is, with its longer arcs and less self-contained storylines. Honestly, I don’t think the writers have carried off a lot of those elements that well (particularly the sire bond) and the finale has yet again just skimmed over a lot important explanations (sire bond*, what was April actually for? (is it really for Jeremy’s plot next year after all?)) in order to cram in all the plot, but I still enjoyed it and the whole season very much, despite being rather spoilt by speculation on Tumblr which probably leeched away a lot of my enjoyment of the last few eps and some of the twists (like Katherine becoming human), which is why I haven’t said much lately. That and laziness.

What was Jeremy doing in Damon’s bedroom anyway? People really do just like to breeze in and out of there! (and the spoiler, is that really a spoiler? I what else could he do?).

I think Stefan being ‘not not happy’ for Damon was my favourite part of the episode. That’s something I really have wanted to see. He’s annoyed me a bit lately, but I never really wanted him to jump in a lake (lol) or have this level of bad day dumped on him. Poor Stefan. And he’s even had 17 graduations? He really is a glutton for punishment!

The show has teased me far too much with Matt’s death lately. You can’t dangle his obliteration in a ball of fire in front of me and just snatch it away! That’s so underfair!

>>Honestly, I'm still kinda shocked that Bonnie is dead-dead and has stayed dead-dead.

Same here. That was a surprise.

>>Stefan/Lexi and their Bon Jovi connection

I know. A lot of people seem to attribute ‘You Give Love A Bad Name’ (the one Bon Jovi single I bought (at the time. :S ) to Stefan, but it made me smile when I thought it reflected nicely with what Elena said to Damon later. Was that just me?

It’s interesting Sexy!Idiot!Damon didn’t say ‘I love you’ back though, even if it doesn’t need to be said.

Vaughn is a flipping useless hunter if he can’t spot right away there are no scrapes on the ground to back up Damon’s tall quarry story. A stone body is going to leave marks even I could notice.

So we didn’t really get the natural disaster I was basing a lot of my speculation on, just a bit of wind, and Liz survived. And we survived. Until the autumn anyway. Hurrah!

Where did time go? This season went so quick!

*I am with you in a sanguine place that I can still believe that it’s fake and I do, but because it is so problematic for Elena’s character and agency, I can see why some need that clarification. I pretty much knew we wouldn’t have a definitive answer because there just didn’t seem to be a mechanism in play that would deliver one in the time the finale would have to address it, what with Silas set in stone and if freed, unlikely to be hanging around delivering moustache twirling explanations.

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Arabian: Damon & Elena30arabian on May 18th, 2013 03:07 pm (UTC)
I was going to do a quick reaction post before my long one, but decided against it because as tired as I was, I thought that if I got responses to that (as I would have), it would have prolonged me getting the REAL post out. So, yeah.

I think April's key was what what happened with her and Rebekah in 4.19, and possibly what may happen with Jeremy next season, but I'm leaning towards the Rebekah moment.

Huh, I didn't make that connection with the Bon Jovi song and D/E, but I see your point.

Here's the interview with that spoiler. It's totes true!

RE: The sire bond. I do think clarification would way be better, but honestly, as much as I love the show and writers I do think they mishandled it and were careless with the "rules" and so realized they couldn't really step out of it. It still could be explained, but when/how I'm not sure. It's a shame because for most who did need that explanation (and I understand that), it marred an otherwise fantastic season. Oh well.
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(Anonymous) on May 18th, 2013 02:34 pm (UTC)
I won't harsh your buzz, so I'll keep this simple: I'm out. But I will be watching The Originals, so if you are too, I'll look for your recaps on that. :)

But this is a good incentive for me to review your fic (my preferred canon!) as my final act in this fandom. I hope TVD continues to give you everything you want. :) You know there's nothing I love more than enthusiasm and passion for a show. :D

-EO/rg :)
Arabian: Elijah02arabian on May 18th, 2013 03:08 pm (UTC)
I will be watching TO (of course!), but I don't know if I'll write-ups. We'll see, it depends on how I feel about it. I think it's certainly likely that I will though. :)
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on May 18th, 2013 05:46 pm (UTC)
WOW! I gotta say this show is like CRAZY!

Anyway, my only complaint is that this finale was way too jam packed with information and subtext and declarations and realizations and it was all just so hard to follow and keep up with emotionally. My head was spinning for most of the night after it actually aired. I feel like the one mistake Julie made this season is not ending stories quick enough this season and I can see why they almost literally packed everything into lilke two episodes and they kind of did that last season too. It's a pattern and I think it's frustrating to a lot of fans because they feel like they have to wait for the finale for answers from the premiere episode.

Despite that one complaint, that may change next season, this was a great and surprisingly happy finale. It was nice to see Elena genuinely happy and it was nice to see the brothers really hitting a bit of a stride in their relationship. I, like you, teared up at their ending scene. Hell, I was tearing up at their first scene and when Stefan was so adamant that he would do anything to save his brother so Elena doesn't have to worry he's got it covered my heart was in my throat. It was just beautiful and obviously the writers wanted to get Defan there in this episode so that when we lose Stefan at the end we feel it. And MAN did I feel it. I'm still feeling it. Poor, poor Stefan. That was just horrible! The fact that Julie literally decided to throw Stefan away and create a totally new Stefan after they focus in on him saying "I don't belong" is very telling IMO. yeah, in the context of the story Stefan feels like he doesn't belong in Mystic Falls anymore but I think it was also the writers saying that the character of Stefan can't be of any use to them anymore either and they needed to almost throw him away and start anew. Very, very ballsy IMO and also heartbreaking for the character of Stefan. But i'm sure Paul is bouncing off the walls at this point. LOL!

The family themes were pretty heavy in this episode from everyone trying to save Damon's life, even Caroline, to that graveyard scene with Elena, Ric, and Jeremy, and even to Damon referring to himself as a brother to Jeremy...there was just so much love between all of these characters and I think that love is what made this finale seem so much brighter and happier than any ofher finale this show has ever done.

As for Damon and Elena....SQUEEE!!!! I loved everything! From their love confessions to that awesome slap!

Some thing I noticed about their scenes:
Elena immediately turned away from Damon the moment she found out he was dying. She hid herself from letting him see that she was getting emotional and who does she end up turning to? Jeremy, who sees his sister and how much she loves this one guy and what does he do? He tries to help her save him by suggesting the cure and he gives Elena the okay to not only choose to give the cure away but also to choose Damon. He's okay with all of that. That was just beautiful.

The fact that they declared loved for each other while screaming at each other...LOL!

That slap!

The fact that ELena tried every which way to give that cure away. At first she wanted her and Damon to have it and be together and then when she found out Damon wasn't up on that she immediately changed it and said, "okay...well then we'll be vamps forever...fine by me,"

The fact that Elena went from thinking she wasn't so good at this vamp stuff in 4.7 to saying that she's actually not all that bad at the vamp stuff.


Arabian: Damon & Elena30arabian on May 19th, 2013 04:56 am (UTC)
WOW! I gotta say this show is like CRAZY!

That's one word for it, LOL!

Anyway, my only complaint is that this finale was way too jam packed with information and subtext and declarations and realizations and it was all just so hard to follow and keep up with emotionally.

I would agree except I don't think it's a complaint? I know that when I watched it the second time I loved it a lot more.

I feel like the one mistake Julie made this season is not ending stories quick enough this season and I can see why they almost literally packed everything into lilke two episodes and they kind of did that last season too. It's a pattern and I think it's frustrating to a lot of fans because they feel like they have to wait for the finale for answers from the premiere episode.

But EVERY show does that. TVD, on the other hand, offers tons of little things and gives resolution on and off throughout the season. There are just BIG stuff that they wait to explain to any full degree until the finale.

surprisingly happy finale

Except for Stefan and Jeremy/Bonnie, yeah, it was definitely very surprisingly happy.

It was nice to see Elena genuinely happy and it was nice to see the brothers really hitting a bit of a stride in their relationship.

Yes, to Elena, of course! And also to the brothers and it's why I kinda went off as I did about the reason for the sire bond helping with the brothers.

Poor, poor Stefan. That was just horrible!

Ack! I know!

I think it was also the writers saying that the character of Stefan can't be of any use to them anymore either and they needed to almost throw him away and start anew.

I honestly don't think that's the case. I think there's a lot to do with Stefan, but Paul Wesley (as amusing as he is in how he says it) has basically been bitching about Stefan (non-ripper-version) non-stop since season 02. NON-STOP. He probably has long talks with Julie about doing different things with Stefan. So this change, I don't think was because the writers couldn't find use for him, but because Paul wouldn't stop. I think Stefan is an AWESOME character and there's so much that can be mined with him, but clearly Paul doesn't think so. Which makes me sad. But maybe this will rejuvenate him. We'll see.

The family themes were pretty heavy in this episode from everyone trying to save Damon's life, even Caroline, to that graveyard scene with Elena, Ric, and Jeremy, and even to Damon referring to himself as a brother to Jeremy...there was just so much love between all of these characters and I think that love is what made this finale seem so much brighter and happier than any ofher finale this show has ever done.

A friend of mine who has chosen to no longer watch the show really surprised me when I heard that she decided to stop watching because it's no longer a show about family. I was just WHA!?!?!? I don't get it. Love, family, friendships remain and always will be at the heart of this show.

As for Damon and Elena....SQUEEE!!!! I loved everything! From their love confessions to that awesome slap!

Damn, I loved that slap, LOL!

Elena immediately turned away from Damon the moment she found out he was dying. She hid herself from letting him see that she was getting emotional and who does she end up turning to? Jeremy, who sees his sister and how much she loves this one guy and what does he do? He tries to help her save him by suggesting the cure and he gives Elena the okay to not only choose to give the cure away but also to choose Damon. He's okay with all of that. That was just beautiful.

I didn't get that from it actually. I just felt like Elena was thinking and was pacing, turning back and forth which we saw her do. I like to think that Jeremy said that not because he saw that Elena was upset but because he doesn't want Damon to die himself. But you know me and my Damon/Jeremy feels.

The fact that ELena tried every which way to give that cure away.

CRACKED ME UP!
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on May 18th, 2013 05:46 pm (UTC)
As for some other things:
I still can't believe they killed BOnnie for real.
Totally understand why they brought back Jeremy because they needed Elena to be okay and not depressed and bringing back Jeremy was the only way to accomplish taht.
And the bond....Okay well, I have never had any problems with the bond. I love the fact that these characters define the bond based on what they think about Damon and Elena and as soon as they started to accept everything the bond really didn't mean all that much in the long run. I also loved that they treated breaking the bond in much the same way as they did with Tyler last season. He left and came back and was all of a sudden unbonded. Elena left emotionally and came back and was all of sudden unbonded to Damon. It just drives home the point that season 3 and season 4 are mirror seasons. Right down to this finale while is basically a flip of last season's finale. Stefan dies alone this season and Damon was dying alone last season. Stefan got the girl last season. Damon got the girl this season. Hell, both finales also had flashback scenes while either Damon or Elena were on the brink of death. And that flashback memory is what made them fight harder. For Damon it was meeting Elena and for Elena it was Stefan giving her the cure.

I also loved that they left a lot of the bond stuff open to intepretation...but at the end of the day, Elena's decisions and feeling didn't change no matter what the others thought. It was still all Elena this entire time and you're right there were a lot of realizations and character progression that probably wouldn't have happened without the bond.

This season has been totally emotionally crazy and I think that's mostly because of the fandom's general hysterics at every single thing. It's just draining. I generally believe that this show fares so much better in binge watches and not in these long drawn out seasons where there is a ton of time to analyze and overanalyze every single thing. This is why i'm exctited to watch season 3 and season 4 back to back to get the full affect of these huge long story arcs and feel even more satisfied than I already am. But the fandom needs to take a breather and just relax IMO and realize that this is a vampire show which means a lot of morally ambiguous things will happen all of the time. Stop judging every character based on human morality. You can't apply that anymore to a buch of supernatural creatures.

That's pretty much all of it LOL! Is this long enough for you? Hee!

Anyway, love this show, love your reviews...i'm basically a huge love-fest right now. And now it's time to focus on something else...like real life ....well at least until October..


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Arabian: Bonnie01arabian on May 19th, 2013 05:02 am (UTC)
I still can't believe they killed BOnnie for real.

I know. I'm still kinda shocked about that.

Totally understand why they brought back Jeremy because they needed Elena to be okay and not depressed and bringing back Jeremy was the only way to accomplish taht.

Agreed, but, but, but.... RIC!!!!!!!!!

And the bond....Okay well, I have never had any problems with the bond. I love the fact that these characters define the bond based on what they think about Damon and Elena and as soon as they started to accept everything the bond really didn't mean all that much in the long run.

I didn't either in terms of character, I just think it was so ridden with inconsistency. But, yeah, it wasn't about the bond or taking away Elena's agency (because other than leaving the lake house, everything Elena did was what Elena wanted or needed), it was about these characters figuring out things.

I also loved that they left a lot of the bond stuff open to intepretation...

I didn't simply because it does feel like sloppy writing to me, but what can you do?

at the end of the day, Elena's decisions and feeling didn't change no matter what the others thought.

Exactly.

This season has been totally emotionally crazy and I think that's mostly because of the fandom's general hysterics at every single thing.

I'm so done with fandom. I just need to stay in my safe place here on my LJ, LOL!

I generally believe that this show fares so much better in binge watches and not in these long drawn out seasons where there is a ton of time to analyze and overanalyze every single thing.

I think that's the case for every show that creates passion in the fandom. I know I can't wait to rewatch the seasons too. I never finished my season 03 rewatch, so I wanna do that, then do season 04. And hopefully have a chance later in the summer to rewatch the whole series so far.

the fandom needs to take a breather and just relax IMO and realize that this is a vampire show which means a lot of morally ambiguous things will happen all of the time. Stop judging every character based on human morality. You can't apply that anymore to a buch of supernatural creatures.

THIS SO HARD!

That's pretty much all of it LOL! Is this long enough for you? Hee!

LOL!

Anyway, love this show, love your reviews...i'm basically a huge love-fest right now. And now it's time to focus on something else...like real life ....well at least until October..

Bah, real life... but tv can be so much more fun! Thanks for becoming a regular part of my TVD viewing by always adding your two cents to my posts. I appreciate hearing from another person who loves the show even if we don't always agree, we agree on how awesome the show is!
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Emily: TVDemofordino on May 18th, 2013 06:55 pm (UTC)
ahhhh, i had been refreshing your LJ since like, midnight on friday, waiting for your recap! i have been so interested to see what you had to say about the finale, and i was not disappointed a bit! :)

my D/E feels are so overwhelming! i was hoping that out of the shows i am most interested in watching this season (NCIS, NCIS: LA, and TVD), i would be 3 for 3 in the "OTPs becoming canon" category, but in the words of tony dinozzo, "2 out of 3 ain't bad." ;) but i digress! everything about their interactions in this episode was completely perfect in every way; i love that neither would take the cure because they want to be together FOREVER. plus, her interaction with stefan was the perfect thing to get him on the path of moving on (as soon as someone figures out he's missing and goes and gets him out of the safe at the bottom of the quarry, AGH) i honestly have no complaints, other than that i TOTALLY wish alaric could come back too. :( he's the giles of the MF scooby gang, they need him!

speaking of alaric, i loved every second that he was on screen. everything he did was just so fitting, from the whiskey to killing the hunters! his love of the mystic grill made me cackle so much, i accidentally started shipping them. ;) the gang really does need alaric and his skills if they want to stay alive. i was curious about his talk with lexi about there being more out there than the other side, as you were! i'm wondering if we won't end up learning more about that next season?

klaus was such a gentleman, too. i was really impressed with him healing damon, without any strings attached, AND allowing tyler to come back, just out of his love of caroline. he has grown up a bit this season, it's nice! he still has his brutal side when he needs to, though. of COURSE he would kill aja for hurting his love (and his frenemies, for a lack of a better word, :P) by decapitating them WITH AN F-ING MORTARBOARD, lol! oh klaus. they might want to ask him for a donation of blood for emergencies while he's still in a good mood, ;)

i'm so happy that jeremy is back. i think his presence will give the gang a boost, and YESSSS D/J BONDING TIME. the thought alone brings me so much joy, especially after the awesome M/D hints we've been getting this past season. i hope the 3 become drinking buddies and crack jokes and give us some levity from the usual drama. i'm with you, though. jer couldn't go to grad because everyone thinks he's dead, what is he going to do now that he's alive? is he going to hide at the SBH, or are they just going to compel the whole town? i'm interested to see how they deal with that.

i'm so sad that bonnie is dead. :( she's never been my favorite character, but she is an integral part of the story, and her loss is definitely going to hurt the gang when they eventually find out. she gave me so many feels, kat graham really knocked it out of the park. i'm glad at least that witches aren't alone on the other side, even if everyone else is, so she can catch up with her grams and meet some of her old family members.

the silas/stefan thing really threw me for a loop, though! i'm sort of intrigued where this is going to go, but i have to admit, i was hoping that we would be done with the silas storyline. :( as much as i'm annoyed by stefan sometimes, i still like him a lot and i really hope that they figure out what's going on and get him out sooner rather than later! we need bonnie back to do a locator spell, LOL!

katherine getting the cure made me SO happy. she got pissy that she wasn't able to get silas' immortality (even though we already see how well that worked out the first time, silas is a bigger psychopath than klaus) and now she doesn't even have the protection of being a vampire! i'm interested to see how she reacts to it, although i assume that she'll not have any significant personality changes. i wonder if someone who is cured can be turned again? gahhhhhh, these next 5 months are going to be brutal, with all these questions percolating in my brain all summer!

sorry for the novel, i have a lot of feelings about this, hahaha. thank you for the awesome recap! <3
Emily: TVDemofordino on May 18th, 2013 06:56 pm (UTC)
i ran into comment length issues, so i didn't even get to talk about lexi/stefan, damon/alaric or matt/rebekah, so just know that i share your feelings about it so i can save you from more of my incoherant babbling. ;)
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Florencia: DE (Kiss) (4x07) (Far Away)florencia7 on May 19th, 2013 01:02 am (UTC)
I was waiting sooooo impatiently for your post! ♥

I loved the finale. I had tried to keep my expectations as low as possible & I guess it made everything that happened even better, because I was in love with pretty much every single scene & totally caught off guard more than once.

I liked how Elena didn't address her “choice” at all in her conversation with Stefan when she gave him the cure. For her, the subject was dealt with. They already broke up in 4x06. Like you said, she chose Damon in 4x06 already.

”Damon was telling her: 'I love you, but I'm not good enough of for you because I screw up and I'm selfish and I'm bad for you. So there's your out, no need to be nice. Just walk away.' And in return, Elena told him: 'I love you, you idiot, and I don't care that you're not perfect. I know all the good, bad, terrible and in between about you and I don't care. I LOVE YOU. I'm not walking away.'” - I love your dialogue extension here ^^ It's perfect ♥

And her anger with his decision to die was such a lovely parallel to Damon's anger at Elena for choosing to die at the beginning of the season. I love that we now have a full-circle Elena in the same frame of mind about Damon as he is about her, one that essentially boils down to "Fuck choice, save your life!"” - OMG THIS, this so much!!! I adored this. I love that instead of having Elena merely understand where Damon was coming from, they had her do the very same thing he would have done.

Proof of that was her reaction to Alaric's asking Stefan if he should force the cure down Damon's throat.” - I LOVED Elena's reaction to Alaric's question. Her face was totally saying: “Why does he even ask?! OF COURSE force it down his throat!!” lol

”It was just brilliant how the writing, the musical, stage and acting direction all worked together to perfectly fit the tenor of every part of the scene.” - It was beautifully done. I particularly liked how they had Damon's “I don't belong” was followed immediately by “But you're wrong” (it also made me think of “I was wrong” from 2x08's song) while Stefan's “I don't belong” was followed by the screen fading to black.

”I will admit it, I totally choked up when Stefan told Damon that while he wasn't happy about Elena, he wasn't *not* not happy about Damon.” - I think they did an incredible job with that scene. I loved it. They could so easily go over the top here (either negative or positive way), but they didn't. The scene was flawless. There was awkwardness and it didn't end with smiles and hugs but it still conveyed the emotions so beautifully and the “not not happy” line was pretty brilliant.

”Except Klaus was wrong. Tyler Lockwood is not Caroline's first love. Her first love was Matt Donovan.” - That's what I was thinking too lol

The episode's title was far from spectacular, but I guess they opted for something that wouldn't give anything away. Since one of TVD books is called “Shadow Souls” using anything with the word “shadow” in it might have seemed too risky haha

”It was again one of those cases where even though logically you know it's the same actress playing the two different roles, they are so different that it *feels* like two different actresses. So magnificent.” - It really was amazing. Nina is awesome. She could probably handle a Elena/Katherine/Tatia scene just as well lol

”maybe we'll at least see a lot more of Alaric next season due to her presence and Jeremy's ghostly visionary-power” - YES, I really really hope we'll get some Damon/Jeremy/ghost!Alaric scenes.
Arabian: Damon & Elena30arabian on May 19th, 2013 05:16 am (UTC)
I was waiting sooooo impatiently for your post! ♥

I know... it took me forever to get this up. Sorry. :(

I loved the finale. I had tried to keep my expectations as low as possible & I guess it made everything that happened even better, because I was in love with pretty much every single scene & totally caught off guard more than once.

For the most part, I was hopeful. I really did try and pay attention to all signs this year and I just couldn't see how it WOULDN'T be Damon. But yeah overall the finale was just AMAZING.

I liked how Elena didn't address her “choice” at all in her conversation with Stefan when she gave him the cure. For her, the subject was dealt with. They already broke up in 4x06. Like you said, she chose Damon in 4x06 already.

Yup. There was simply no choice for Elena. She was simply restating what she'd already made clear. :D

I love that instead of having Elena merely understand where Damon was coming from, they had her do the very same thing he would have done.

Yup, yup, yup. They really are two peas in a pod and NOW Elena is where Damon is about her. :Nods:

Her face was totally saying: “Why does he even ask?! OF COURSE force it down his throat!!” lol

I KNOW!!!

I particularly liked how they had Damon's “I don't belong” was followed immediately by “But you're wrong” (it also made me think of “I was wrong” from 2x08's song) while Stefan's “I don't belong” was followed by the screen fading to black.

Ooh, I missed that about Damon. I'll have to watch it again (oh, darn!) and look for that.

I think they did an incredible job with that scene. I loved it. They could so easily go over the top here (either negative or positive way), but they didn't. The scene was flawless. There was awkwardness and it didn't end with smiles and hugs but it still conveyed the emotions so beautifully and the “not not happy” line was pretty brilliant.

It was absolutely perfect. I can't wait until we get the day where the BOYS finally say "I love you" to each other again. We're getting there!

I guess they opted for something that wouldn't give anything away. Since one of TVD books is called “Shadow Souls” using anything with the word “shadow” in it might have seemed too risky haha

But that's my point, it wouldn't have given anything away. And seeing as how there are differences between the books and the show it probably would have opened up more spec that was way off base, still giving us the surprise. Oh well.

YES, I really really hope we'll get some Damon/Jeremy/ghost!Alaric scenes.

SO MUCH!
Florencia: TVD (Brothers)florencia7 on May 19th, 2013 01:03 am (UTC)
[part 2]

”Yet none of that was even remotely the worst part of his day.” - This line just made me ROTFL ^^ Although of course the fact is far from funny. Poor Stefan. He kind of actually broke my heart this time. After watching the finale, I went to look for an episode from S2 (because I wanted to find a shot of Damon that I remember was similar to the one we got at the beginning of the ILY scene in the finale... nevermind lol) and I stumbled upon a scene when Stefan was apologizing to Damon, telling him that he had made him complete the transition because he “[I] didn't want to be alone.” That line + his tone of voice (and also the way in which he said “see you, Lexi” in the car AHHH Paul was really great this ep) made me tear up over the finale's final scene a little, because now Stefan is really, really alone and there is just something so sad about that. It's like a baby brother lost in the woods :[ Um... water...

”And water was coming in. So Stefan is going to drown. Come back. Drown again.” - That is absolutely nightmarish. But I guess it will give Stefan plenty of time to contemplate his choice of letting Elena drown... lol

”Until someone figures out that he is in a safe at the bottom of the quarry.” - Is Damon the only one who knows? Well, it shouldn't take smart!Damon too much time to figure that one out... as soon as he figures out that he's living under one roof with Silas, which may actually take some time, depending on how good Silas will be at pretending to be Stefan.

”Aww, I think that's the first time that we saw Jeremy in Damon's room.” - That's right! I didn't realize that.

”So I was wondering what the point was of the Lexi/Alaric conversation about other side” - I think that maybe it was meant to explain why some of the characters never show up as ghosts (Jenna!) and also why some of the characters may stop showing up as ghosts at some point.

The only problem I have with human!Katherine is that she can probably become a vampire again rather easily. It'd be more fun if she was stuck as a human, no way out lol

”As for not so beloved characters... *sigh* Maybe Tyler won't come back? Or it won't be long-term? Let me have the dream, folks!” - I'm sure Tyler is going to come back to Mystic Falls only because Forwood has to be properly deconstructed before we fish Stefan out of the quarry ;D PLUS It seems to me Tyler used up all of his leave-town-and-then-come-back vouchers, so next time he leaves it will be for good LOL

So... I should probably call off my Damon dies theory, however I rather feel like postponing it... lol AND including Elena in it. That shot of Stefan after DE scene... It just made me think of those shots when you have an elderly person sitting in an armchair, reflecting on their life. Then I remembered Stefan's speech when he was talking to Rebekah about growing old with Elena, being buried together, etc. And since SE is over for good (I'm being merely logical here lol), it just made me think the show might end with human!Stefan burying Damon & Elena together... which sounds kind of morbid now that I wrote it down haha

I'm still shocked that Bonnie is really dead :[ I'd kind of prefer for Bonnie to come back instead of Jeremy But since she's still going to be a regular next season anyway, I guess there is no reason to be upset ^^
Arabian: Damon&Stefan04arabian on May 19th, 2013 05:23 am (UTC)
It's like a baby brother lost in the woods :[ Um... water...

And this made me inappropriately laugh out loud, hee!

”And water was coming in. So Stefan is going to drown. Come back. Drown again.” - That is absolutely nightmarish. But I guess it will give Stefan plenty of time to contemplate his choice of letting Elena drown... lol

OMG! YES, INDEED!

Is Damon the only one who knows? Well, it shouldn't take smart!Damon too much time to figure that one out... as soon as he figures out that he's living under one roof with Silas, which may actually take some time, depending on how good Silas will be at pretending to be Stefan.

Damon knows he was going to the quarry, yeah. Julie made it seem like there would be a few episodes of Steflas hijinks but that it would be figured out that it wasn't Stefan pretty quickly. I can't imagine Damon not easily seeing that.

I think that maybe it was meant to explain why some of the characters never show up as ghosts (Jenna!)

But we already know the answer to that. We found out about that in "Do Not Go Gentle"--

Elena: Don't you dare use Jenna as an excuse for what you've done.
Esther: You may draw comfort knowing that your aunt is not in the place that I was. She doesn't know the torment of The Other Side. Though made a vampire, she remained pure. She knows peace. Which is all any of us can hope for. and also why some of the characters may stop showing up as ghosts at some point.

I think that this may be opening the door up to explain a peace for even our favorites who die... eventually.

The only problem I have with human!Katherine is that she can probably become a vampire again rather easily. It'd be more fun if she was stuck as a human, no way out lol

Nope, Julie already explained that away and it makes perfect sense to me. There's a risk that what if once taking the cure you can't become a vampire again. And in order to test it, she'd have to die and HOPE she comes back. So, yeah, what will Miss Katherine do.

I'm sure Tyler is going to come back to Mystic Falls only because Forwood has to be properly deconstructed before we fish Stefan out of the quarry

Ok, that works. :)

DAMON WILL NOT DIE! STAWP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!

I'm still shocked that Bonnie is really dead :[ I'd kind of prefer for Bonnie to come back instead of Jeremy But since she's still going to be a regular next season anyway, I guess there is no reason to be upset ^^

I just want Alaric back, damnit!
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Florencia: Damon (Stardust to Remember You By)florencia7 on May 19th, 2013 01:04 am (UTC)
[part 3]

As for Matt/Rebekah: I think she'll either show up in New Orleans with Matt (which would be awesome, but for some reason I don't see that happening as long as TVD is still running) or shows up in New Orleans after parting ways (temporarily!?) with Matt after their trip.

I absolutely love the doppelganger!Stefan twist. Silas has a chance to be a really nasty villain (if Ripper!Stefan is any indication ;) The scene itself was very good too. The reddish glow in his eyes, the music. Everything just worked really well together.

I wanted to say that I can't wait for S5 but... I think I can ;D Because for the first time ever we can have a truly happy summer ^^

I'm snagging all the gifs! ♥

I loved loved LOVED this post! Thank you so much for all of your posts. They make the entire TVD experience so much more fun. I LOVE reading your thoughts and I really appreciate the time that you spend writing them down for all of us to read :] THANK YOU! ♥
Arabian: Matt & Rebekah03arabian on May 19th, 2013 05:25 am (UTC)
As for Matt/Rebekah: I think she'll either show up in New Orleans with Matt (which would be awesome, but for some reason I don't see that happening as long as TVD is still running) or shows up in New Orleans after parting ways (temporarily!?) with Matt after their trip.

Julie implied we might see them in Europe when the show returns so I wonder if Rebekah won't show up in NO right away and if Matt will still maybe go with her. I can dream, LOL!

I absolutely love the doppelganger!Stefan twist. Silas has a chance to be a really nasty villain (if Ripper!Stefan is any indication ;) The scene itself was very good too. The reddish glow in his eyes, the music. Everything just worked really well together.

Yup, yup, yup!

I wanted to say that I can't wait for S5 but... I think I can ;D Because for the first time ever we can have a truly happy summer ^^

I just don't mind the hiatuses because I have TIME again! Seriously, I spend so many hours on TVD throughout the season and new episodes, it's crazy!

I'm snagging all the gifs! ♥

Feel free! :)

I loved loved LOVED this post! Thank you so much for all of your posts. They make the entire TVD experience so much more fun. I LOVE reading your thoughts and I really appreciate the time that you spend writing them down for all of us to read :] THANK YOU! ♥

Thank you for always being a part of the experience for me too. I write these posts not for me but to hear what others who love the show think as well, and I appreciate that you share your thoughts too! :D
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Damon/Elena: Smilefaith5by5_1013 on May 19th, 2013 02:48 am (UTC)
I think it was clear to pretty much everyone who had been paying any attention that Elena had already made her choice and that she had chosen Damon a while ago.

I still think the sire bond was completely fake too, but I don't think that we really need an explanation, since the characters convinced themselves it existed in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

It was about Damon not being able to take the cure with her.

I agree completely.

I want Alaric to come back somehow too!

Except Klaus was wrong. Tyler Lockwood is not Caroline's first love. Her first love was Matt Donovan.

I don't know that Klaus would necessarily know that Matt was Caroline's first love. When he met her, she was already with Tyler.

As for not so beloved characters... *sigh* Maybe Tyler won't come back? Or it won't be long-term? Let me have the dream, folks!

I'm with you there!
Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on May 19th, 2013 05:32 am (UTC)
I think it was clear to pretty much everyone who had been paying any attention that Elena had already made her choice and that she had chosen Damon a while ago.

IE., not Stefan/Elena fans. Seriously, for amusement I was reading their tag on tumblr. I swear I don't know what show they're watching. "Stefan is the ONLY one she showed any emotion for when her switch was off. And there was TOTALLY a spark when they danced. And when Stefan told her to hold onto something to come back to she was staring so longingly at Stefan, it was totally their love that did it! Elena was jealous of Stefan's feelings for Katherine! And Stefan, and only Stefan, was there 100% during the entire time she was raging on Katherine! How could the show spend the last 3 episodes so obviously leading up to the Stefan/Elena reunion and have it not happen?!?!? I don't understand!"

"Oh, and there's been absolutely ZERO scenes at all showing when how Elena could have EVER fallen in love with Damon, but we NEVER saw her fall out of love with Stefan. And it was probably Silas pretending to be Elena when she declared her love to Damon." Uh huh.

I, for real, am not kidding.

I still think the sire bond was completely fake too, but I don't think that we really need an explanation, since the characters convinced themselves it existed in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

Right, I don't need one. Because it's clear to me. Others will persist in complaining about it. I should just get used to it, I suppose.

"It was about Damon not being able to take the cure with her."

I agree completely.


Good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it that way.

I want Alaric to come back somehow too!

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know that Klaus would necessarily know that Matt was Caroline's first love. When he met her, she was already with Tyler.

Well, technically when Klaus first saw Caroline it was at the 60's dance and she was with Matt. And you know, I'm just so not a T/C fan that anything that lessens them works for me.

If Tyler does come back. Please let it be one quick visit, then be gone for good. Julie's comments--MT still on contract, but who knows if Tyler will want to stick around in MF now?--makes me thing we aren't wishing in vain. We'll see.
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bangel_4e: delena2bangel_4e on May 19th, 2013 12:50 pm (UTC)
PART 1

yessss what a GREAT, BEAUTIFUL FINALE!!
I LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. I really did.

Damon/Elena. I just...as you said, the speeches were perfect for them. It wasn't butterflies and candies and whatever but it was them, it was SO real. And everything was amazing. Honestly, I don't know how to type coherent words cause I'm still overwhelmed by all this.
Uhm, I actually don't believe Elena had to make a choice between Stefan and Damon. There was never something that hinted at her and Stefan post her actually choosing Damon in 4x07. The declaration of love wasn't a surprise for me so I wasn't worried but I was so nervous during this scene and in the end, it was all I had hoped for.
Aw, wonderful Elena loving Damon...and stupid (SEXY) Damon believing til the end she didn't love him. Awww.
And we can't help it if Damon's always sexy.

Basically, it was the Damon/Elena version of hearts and flowers. Damon was telling her: 'I love you, but I'm not good enough of for you because I screw up and I'm selfish and I'm bad for you. So there's your out, no need to be nice. Just walk away.' And in return, Elena told him: 'I love you, you idiot, and I don't care that you're not perfect. I know all the good, bad, terrible and in between about you and I don't care. I LOVE YOU. I'm not walking away.'
Beautifully put.

Because, yeah, when you love someone Elena, fuck choice, you save their life.
Oh, I love how Damon and Elena have the same thinking when it comes to this. It's only natural. You just don't care about anything else rather than your own love dying. You can't stand there and let people decide and do the absolute right thing. You do what your heart tells you to do.


Alaric/Damon. AW MY....I'm so with you...CAN WE HAVE ALARIC BACK???? I need him, Damon needs him, Elena and Jer need him. I love him so much...and I love him and Damon (to think of where they started) and what he does for him and vice-versa. I'm so glad Jer's back and his interactions with Damon but Alaric..is...Alaric.

Klaus/Caroline. As you know, I do ship these two. And as you, I LOVED how they interacted here. It was perfect for them and for how their relationship developed. I didn't expect a kiss (like, a real kiss) so that sweet kiss on the cheek was really cute. Their smiles and how there was some trust between them and him freeing Tyler. That was so amazing from Klaus, THAT was a real development for him and Caroline knew. Now, I hate Tyler (not because he stands between them) and I'd kill Klaus for freeing him but, hopefully, Tyler is gonna die and Caroline can go to Klaus or Stefan...I'd rather see Klaus with her as endgame...(I intend to be your last awwwwwww) but I ship Steroline as well so I'd be a happy camper with both.
And yep, Klaus was wrong. I was all "WHAT ABOUT MATT???" when he said Tyler was her first love...but he probably didn't even know Matt was with Caroline years before.
Well, anyway...I know these two will take time.Just as Elena and Damon took time. Their paths are kind of similar so my hope for them is still intact.


Stefan/Damon.
. I will admit it, I totally choked up when Stefan told Damon that while he wasn't happy about Elena, he wasn't *not* not happy about Damon. I love that Stefan said that. And I love that the show proved again that they know that it was important to show that Stefan felt that. And, of course, we also saw that despite Damon's happiness over getting the girl, he was kinda the opposite. He was happy about Elena, but he was not happy about Stefan because he loves his brother. Seeing his awkwardness with him, his sincerity as he offered to help and how grateful he was at Stefan's words was beautiful to behold.

Me too!! I thought this was a perfect scene, so needed and so true to these two brothers. They love each other, no matter what.


Arabian: Damon & Elena25arabian on May 20th, 2013 04:04 am (UTC)
I just...as you said, the speeches were perfect for them. It wasn't butterflies and candies and whatever but it was them, it was SO real.

Exactly. Everything that happened with them stayed so true to THEIR characters.

I'm so with you...CAN WE HAVE ALARIC BACK???? I need him, Damon needs him, Elena and Jer need him. I love him so much...and I love him and Damon (to think of where they started) and what he does for him and vice-versa. I'm so glad Jer's back and his interactions with Damon but Alaric..is...Alaric.

This... all of this!

Klaus/Caroline. As you know, I do ship these two. And as you, I LOVED how they interacted here. It was perfect for them and for how their relationship developed. I didn't expect a kiss (like, a real kiss) so that sweet kiss on the cheek was really cute. Their smiles and how there was some trust between them and him freeing Tyler. That was so amazing from Klaus, THAT was a real development for him and Caroline knew.

Agreed all around with this.

And yep, Klaus was wrong. I was all "WHAT ABOUT MATT???" when he said Tyler was her first love...but he probably didn't even know Matt was with Caroline years before.

Well, technically when he first showed up Matt and Caroline were at the 60's dance when he was possessing Alaric, so he should have had some idea, even if it wasn't personal for him at the time.

I thought this was a perfect scene, so needed and so true to these two brothers. They love each other, no matter what.

Exactly. And I thought it was so wonderful that we didn't just get the romance, we got the friendships, the family stuff, the community love. :)
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bangel_4e: elena2bangel_4e on May 19th, 2013 12:50 pm (UTC)
PART 2

Rebekkah/Matt. They're gonna go away!!! Aw. Again, I love the honesty between them. And Matt taking a total risk and trusting her and giving her a chance. I mean, she tried to kill him and Elena. Elena. He's an amazing human being, just as forgiving and warm as Elena. And anyone who gives shit to Elena forgiving Damon for killing Jeremy, then should also throw shit at Matt! -.- But I think it's alwyas beautiful when awful vamps who did awful things can find redemption through people giving them a choice.

Stefan. Poor Stefan. I feel so sorry for him and not just cause of Elena. For losing Lexi when he needed her the most, for being Silas' fucking doppelganger and for ending up at the bottom of the water and no one knows :(
But was he really so badly wounded he couldn't free himself? I didn't rewatch the episode and I watched it streaming so the quality wasn't good.

KATHERINE. Oh, Katherine. Now you're human, ah. I wonder what the heck is gonna happen. I read something about season 5 that didn't really please me but I can't know for sure what's gonna happen. I really didn't see this coming too. It was a heck of a surprise and I can't wait to see more. Another challenge for Ms Dobrev!

BONNIE. I'm not sure I've ever mentioned this but I have always disliked Bonnie, and also hated her at times. And I've heard myself say a 100 times that I wished she'd be killed off the show. And when they came to it, I was incredibly sad. I didn't want her to die. Her expression while Car was going on and on about college killed me.
It was just so sad, even for her and Jeremy. They never had a proper chance to be together (even though Jer was kind of an ass to her back in season 3).
I wonder about the ghost thing...will they find a way to get her back by season 5? We shall see.

Fake or not. And, yes, I still say it's totally fake but I'm fine with it not being spelled out.
And I will laugh so hard if some random comment from Meredith gets thrown out towards the end of the series about her not using Damon's blood to heal Elena thus officially no sire bond.
Yep. So with you there. Too many inconsistencies, and Elena just losing her emotions allows her to break the bond? Weird, unexplained stuff.
Arabian: Elena03arabian on May 20th, 2013 04:10 am (UTC)
Rebekkah/Matt. They're gonna go away!!! Aw. Again, I love the honesty between them. And Matt taking a total risk and trusting her and giving her a chance.

Yup, I love how they're both taking a chance and trusting each other. It's awesome.

And anyone who gives shit to Elena forgiving Damon for killing Jeremy, then should also throw shit at Matt!

Yup, with Caroline and her puppy-dog eyes at Klaus, Stefan basically dating Rebekah again, and Matt and Rebekah, none of 'em have any cause to give Elena crap anymore.

But was he really so badly wounded he couldn't free himself? I didn't rewatch the episode and I watched it streaming so the quality wasn't good.

The problem is that Silas staked him so he couldn't fight to get out of the safe--which a vampire could get out of it eventually, but it would take time. By the time his wound heals, however, he'll be drowning, then coming back to (un)life, then drowning, then coming back to (un)life, over and over and over again, so he'll have no chance to break out of the safe. I mean, he may continue to work and kick at it, but it will take time between you know drownings.

I read something about season 5 that didn't really please me but I can't know for sure what's gonna happen.

I'm assuming it's about [Spoiler (click to open)]Kathering turning to most likely Damon for protection? I think it will create a VERY interesting dynamic actually. So I'm quite curious. I don't ship these two at all, but I do find their dynamic fascinating and we could really get some meaty exploration of Damon's psyche.

I'm not sure I've ever mentioned this but I have always disliked Bonnie

I think you have, but you know I've always loved her. So imagine my sads!!!!

I wonder about the ghost thing...will they find a way to get her back by season 5? We shall see.

I think they might come up with some way eventually, but I do think we'll see her as a ghost for awhile. But damnit, if they can bring her back, how do they not bring back Ric and Lexi (ugh) and [pick your supernatural entity].

Too many inconsistencies, and Elena just losing her emotions allows her to break the bond? Weird, unexplained stuff.

Yup, so, yeah, totally fake.
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alkja: pic#93120746alkja on May 19th, 2013 07:36 pm (UTC)
I don't think she made a choice in this finale

Glory Hallelujah and thank you so fucking much! I have read posts saying that Elena should have cleared the air with Stefan about their relationship or somesuch thing and I kept wondering what the hell were those people on about: Elena and Stefan broke up in ep. 6, explicitly because of her feelings for Damon. She slept with Damon in ep. 7 and even after the Sire Bond came up, she never wavered from her stance that it had nothing to do with her feelings, which were stated in ep. 10 as “still loving Stefan but actually In Love with Damon”. In ep. 13 Elena basically proposes to Damon or at least makes it clear she’s in for the long haul by asking him to become human and live a life with her. Except when in Off Mode and out to emotionally destroy Damon along with everyone else, Elena has never changed her position.

Everyone and their hamster may have spent this season wondering about Elena’s heart and hoping/dreading some eventual last-minute denouement, but Elena was not in that number for a second. She had made her choice and it was Damon and if only Stefan and Caroline had refrained from getting their issues involved in her life she would have happily spent the season in Damon’s bed (or bathtub).

Stefan and Caroline? Spent the season lighting candles on the altar of “Tralalala! I’m not hearing this!” and blaming it all on the evil Sire Bond and praying that once it went away the world would start making sense for them again.
Damon? Spent the season metaphorically slashing his wrists over accidentally abusing Elena and making origamis out of his heart to save her the trouble and steeling himself for the “Let’s just be friends” speech.
Elena? Spent the season trying to make people believe that she actually knows herself and can handle her life just fine, thanks.

Elena had no need to re-break up with Stefan because she had already done it months before and they had never gotten together for a minute and she had spent those months telling everyone that she wanted Damon. It’s not Elena’s fault that nobody believed her.


she didn't just tell him that she loved him. She essentially told him that she loved him just the way he was, wrong choices, terrible person and all. And she wasn't sorry.

Yeah, another thing you see in comments about this: “She just told him he’s awful and a bad choice and she’s making out with him? Dumbass!”

Hell, no.

First of all, she cannot very well tell him he’s a wonderful person, because no: love him or no, some good qualities or not, Damon is admittedly kind of a terrible guy prone to some spectacularly bad decisions. He’s not the Bad Brother juxtaposed to Stefan’s Good Brother, but neither is he a sterling example of a fine man. (Which is not so bad because in the TVD universe sometimes you need Bad Guys if you want to survive: they tend to be the ones to Get Shit Done.)

Second: if Elena told him she’s choosing him because he’s a wonderful person and the best choice she could make, Damon would instantly believe the Sire Bond was back with a vengeance, this time addling her sanity along with her feelings. Damon could never be with someone claiming that he is a good person, because he doesn’t believe he’s a good person and would never believe anyone telling him differently. If they did, they obviously would not be thinking straight or would not know him at all. It would not be real.

Telling him that yes, he’s kind of an asshole and he fucks up way too much but screw that noise, it doesn’t matter to her because she loves him, faults and all, and she’s not afraid of saying so?

That works.

It’s called unconditional love and it’s kinda only what Damon has been looking for his entire life and undeath.


It was so not hearts and flowers, but instead it was simply so, so, so very them.

I said somewhere else that for Damon and Elena “I love you” is not something to be sweetly whispered so much as thrown at each other like a dagger. I stand by that.
Arabian: Damon02arabian on May 20th, 2013 04:16 am (UTC)
"I don't think she made a choice in this finale" -- Glory Hallelujah and thank you so fucking much! I have read posts saying that Elena should have cleared the air with Stefan about their relationship or some such thing

She did, yeah, MULTIPLE times. No need to clear the air. Just because Stefan (and Caroline, and Damon) wouldn't listen to her, didn't mean Elena didn't make it PERFECTLY clear.

Except when in Off Mode and out to emotionally destroy Damon along with everyone else, Elena has never changed her position.

Yup. :nods:

she would have happily spent the season in Damon’s bed (or bathtub).

Not nearly as dramatic or action-packed, but man, would that have been a LOT more fun for us (and Elena... and Damon) this season. :sigh:

Stefan and Caroline? Spent the season lighting candles on the altar of “Tralalala! I’m not hearing this!” and blaming it all on the evil Sire Bond and praying that once it went away the world would start making sense for them again. Damon? Spent the season metaphorically slashing his wrists over accidentally abusing Elena and making origamis out of his heart to save her the trouble and steeling himself for the “Let’s just be friends” speech. Elena? Spent the season trying to make people believe that she actually knows herself and can handle her life just fine, thanks.

All of this. Very beautifully put. :)

First of all, she cannot very well tell him he’s a wonderful person, because no: love him or no, some good qualities or not, Damon is admittedly kind of a terrible guy prone to some spectacularly bad decisions.

I just feel like nodding over and over again while reading this.

Which is not so bad because in the TVD universe sometimes you need Bad Guys if you want to survive: they tend to be the ones to Get Shit Done.)

That's my Damon!

Second: if Elena told him she’s choosing him because he’s a wonderful person and the best choice she could make, Damon would instantly believe the Sire Bond was back with a vengeance, this time addling her sanity along with her feelings.

Yup, Damon knows exactly who he is and if Elena hadn't made it clear that she knows too but still loves him, he wouldn't have believed her.

It’s called unconditional love and it’s kinda only what Damon has been looking for his entire life and undeath.

:Nods:

I said somewhere else that for Damon and Elena “I love you” is not something to be sweetly whispered so much as thrown at each other like a dagger. I stand by that.

You got your wish, LOL!
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on May 19th, 2013 07:39 pm (UTC)
Damon, of course, was convinced that she wouldn't want him with the sire bond gone (pfft!), so he acted like an ass to make it easier for her to walk away.

He basically spent all episodes since 8 trying to prepare himself for this moment, the one where Elena would say “I care about you but it’s always going to be Stefan.” The werewolf venom and the not-curing even gave him new ammunition. It was his big chance to walk away with dignity, dumping himself before she could do it. And then…

Elena, on the other hand, was done with that nonsense from him and just pushed through.

She basically spent all episodes since 8 telling everyone who would listen that the Sire Bond was 100% irrelevant to the situation, “I love Stefan, but I’m not in love with him anymore. It’s Damon full stop and it’s real.” She has practice and also a good deal of exasperation backing her up. Saying it once more with feeling and making sure to show she means business? Totally not a problem. You go, girl.

they continue to be completely honest with one another, a far cry from her relationship with Stefan

Stefan and Elena worked because they were on the same page about Repression Repression Repression. Stefan needed his illusion of a do-over with a worthier Katherine who would lead him back to what he’d lost with his humanity, Elena needed to believe Happily Ever After was still possible no matter how life betrayed you.
Damon and Elena work because they’re on the same page about Keeping It Real. Not pretty, not comforting, not epic. Real with all the shit it may follow. Where there are no do-overs but only getting over it and moving on, where Happily Ever After is for children and life will keep on betraying you but you can survive what is thrown at you anyway.

I love that we now have a full-circle Elena in the same frame of mind about Damon as he is about her, one that essentially boils down to "Fuck choice, save your life!"

Damon would totally have let Matt drown to save Elena (or maybe he’d remembered he’s a goddamned vampire and just grabbed them both: no, I’m not still bitter, why?) and to hell with what she wanted. Elena would have been very sorry about all the randoms of Mystic Falls slaughtered by the Hunters but she was not losing Damon and if he didn’t like that it was his problem to be pissy about later.

True Love is not pretty, it’s scary as shit.

I wanted her to make the choice to become a vampire. Therefore I wanted her to somehow become a human again so I could have both of those.

I agree, that would have been great to see, Elena deciding that being a vampire can be good (especially when most of the people you love already are), but all in all I’m happy with what we got. As you said, she did choose in a way.

she offered Stefan the chance to become a human

That was a beautiful moment, even though a) I was sure Stefan would stay a vampire; b) I was yowling at the idea that Mister “If I just become human again the hordes of people I turned into jigsaw puzzles will magically disappear, nothing would matter anymore, goodbye guilt” would get his wish. Because that shit is not ok.
Still, Elena was wonderful. Letting him know that nothing has changed and it’s still Damon without stating it directly - because nominally there had never been any question of they getting back together at any time, just implicit hopes that were better off not acknowledged – and at the same time she’s dashing one of his hopes she gives him the means of realizing another one. Because she’s no longer in love with him but she still loves him.

she was talking to him as she does to Matt. She loved him, but he was her past.

This. Very much so. You can fall in love with someone, then fall out of love with them and still love them. Not a bad message for a silly vampire teen show.
Arabian: Elena05arabian on May 20th, 2013 05:01 am (UTC)
Stefan and Elena worked because they were on the same page about Repression Repression Repression. Stefan needed his illusion of a do-over with a worthier Katherine who would lead him back to what he’d lost with his humanity, Elena needed to believe Happily Ever After was still possible no matter how life betrayed you.

I agree about Stefan, but not so much Elena. I think her repression was about holding onto the anchor that Stefan represented when they first met him. She did need what he gave her desperately when they met. She needed the boy who couldn't die and she really needed the fantasy to block out the pain of reality. They stopped working because Elena began to heal and she could face reality again head-on. (Unless that's what you're saying and I just didn't agree with the wording?)

Damon and Elena work because they’re on the same page about Keeping It Real. Not pretty, not comforting, not epic. Real with all the shit it may follow. Where there are no do-overs but only getting over it and moving on, where Happily Ever After is for children and life will keep on betraying you but you can survive what is thrown at you anyway.

I think it's the happily ever after I don't agree with, because everything else I see, but Damon (and Elena) both do want and believe in the happily ever after--they just know that it's messy and complicated and there will be a lot of unhappy that comes along with it.

Damon would totally have let Matt drown to save Elena (or maybe he’d remembered he’s a goddamned vampire and just grabbed them both: no, I’m not still bitter, why?)

Joining your club of bitter! :) (As, honestly, did Paul Wesley a long time ago, lol)

Elena would have been very sorry about all the randoms of Mystic Falls slaughtered by the Hunters but she was not losing Damon and if he didn’t like that it was his problem to be pissy about later.

I just love that at the end of season 03, I had no doubt that Damon would feel this way about Elena (and Stefan), but I only believed that Elena felt that way about Jeremy (and Stefan about Damon). Now, I have no doubt because we were explicitly shown that Elena now feels that way about Damon too.

True Love is not pretty, it’s scary as shit.

Yup.

I agree, that would have been great to see, Elena deciding that being a vampire can be good (especially when most of the people you love already are), but all in all I’m happy with what we got. As you said, she did choose in a way.

Yup, I needed to see that contrast to 1.20 (which you mention later). She never had ANY intention of forever or always with Stefan. But with Damon? Yup. And that's what I wanted. We got it here because Elena had the chance to take that cure and simply didn't want to take it without Damon. Girl was about ready to sell it to the highest bidder. She just was not interested.

I was yowling at the idea that Mister “If I just become human again the hordes of people I turned into jigsaw puzzles will magically disappear, nothing would matter anymore, goodbye guilt” would get his wish. Because that shit is not ok.

But so tragically, delusionally Stefan.

Still, Elena was wonderful. Letting him know that nothing has changed and it’s still Damon without stating it directly - because nominally there had never been any question of they getting back together at any time, just implicit hopes that were better off not acknowledged – and at the same time she’s dashing one of his hopes she gives him the means of realizing another one. Because she’s no longer in love with him but she still loves him.

THIS, THIS, THIS!!!!!!!!!!! This is exactly what I was thinking when I talked about it above, but you put it so much more clearly.

You can fall in love with someone, then fall out of love with them and still love them. Not a bad message for a silly vampire teen show.

Yup. I ♥ TVD so much. It still bums me the bad rap it gets because of the network it's on. :(
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on May 19th, 2013 07:49 pm (UTC)
Damon told her to take the cure and she didn't so aha! there is no sire bond anymore.

My personal reaction: “Like this is news? She has not done what he said at least 60% of the time! Now you notice it?”

I still say it's totally fake but I'm fine with it not being spelled out. It was all about believing what you wanted or could only allow yourself to believe.

In lieu of Silas stating that Shane was just fucking with them to make them onboard with the Cure Crusade, I will accept this explanation as the only one that makes a lick of sense.

It was about Damon not being able to take the cure with her.


I agree. A fountain of Cure to go around? Elena would beg and cajole Damon to take it with her and make a million flirty-eyed babies. It’s only one or the other? Thanks but no thanks, we’re fine like this. Because even if Damon said it in a bad context and in a bad manner she agrees with him: she doesn’t want a few years with him only to lose him to time and age either. It’s a human life or an eternity, but together.
And what made me happier is that it can be seen as another parallel to season 2, along with the “Screw your choice, I’m saving your life!”: in that very same episode Elena tells Stefan that epic love or not, she doesn’t want to become a vampire. Which means she doesn’t want an eternity with him and is ok with only having him for a few years. What else does she say in that conversation? That she’s 17 and she’s not sure she knows what love really is.
Now? She knows, and she is not going to let go of it that easily and is not going to accept anything less than forever, be that a human one or an actual immortal one.

Jere-love! He was the one who came up with the idea of saving Damon via the cure

OMG, that scene! Jere is all proud of himself for coming up with this solution, Elena lights up because her baby brother is a genius… and in the background Damon is giving an epic bitchface at poor Jere, all “Shut your dumb dead mouth, that’s not the plan!”

Stefan and Damon and their awesome (actual)bro-mantic love.

Those two and their stupid, screwed up relationship will be the death of me. That’s how a love triangle can work: make sure all parties are equally invested in each relationship. Much as I love Damon and Elena, this story would not have grabbed me so much if it weren’t for Damon and Stefan and their dysfunctional glory. You can be bummed about losing the girl, but can you really hate your brother for being happy? You can be happy for getting the girl but can you really not feel sorry for your brother’s unhappiness?

the joy of the Damon/Alaric bromance

Alaric was sheer perfection: l like to imagine that, on the Other Side, he and Rose are high-fiving each other over Delena like the shippers they are while Lexi compiles a 10 step plan for Steroline. (No, seriously: how can there be no fanfic over the residents of the Other Side watching the antics of their former pals, shouting advice and occasionally facepalming and having debates over what will happen?)
Please, Plec: bring him back. The actor’s free, the fans love him and let’s be honest: Bonnie is not going to stay dead, we all know it. If she and Jeremy can come back, so can Alaric. It won’t even be in the Top Ten WTF things to happen on this show.
Oh, god: Damon and his two glasses… Sobbing forever.

I would have liked it had Damon been with Alaric, Elena and Jeremy while they ate greasy take-out.

Damon was busy playing Responsible Adult and reminding Lexi and Stefan that the middle of the Undead Apocalypse is not the best time for a dance party. Which made it worth it in my book.


Edited at 2013-05-19 07:58 pm (UTC)
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on May 19th, 2013 08:01 pm (UTC)
Also, about the s.5 spoiler I won't mention because I don't know how how to hide text (so embarrassed about this): is that actual, honest-to-god fact? Because it's kinda the best news ever.
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alkja: pic#93120746alkja on May 19th, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC)
graduation-cap-decapitation.

In that moment I forgave Klaus for a lot of the shit he pulled. I’m sorry, but while a lot of people can pull off a Big Damn Heroes moment, it takes a special guy to look genuinely menacing while twirling a burgundy graduation cap. I mean, who would even think about using a cap as a beheading instrument? I theorize that he didn’t feel it was enough to swoop down to save Caroline, he needed to show off too: “Look, Caroline! I can use innocuous things as terrifying weapons of destruction! Am I not amazing?” Bless him and his overgrown toddler antics…

outplayed Katherine and she didn't even have to kill to do it.

Here we will have to agree to disagree, because I’m sorry but everyone’s handwringing over Elena wanting to kill Katherine was absurd to me: killing Katherine would be nothing but sensible. Jeremy’s murder aside, how many times has she fucked things up for them? The only reasonable thing here would be for Elena to snap Katherine’s newly-human neck the second she heals enough to do it. Even calling Klaus and delivering her to him as a thank you for his timely assist would be no guarantee: she already fooled him multiple times and Elijah would help his Katerina again.
The only possible good thing about this is that when Kat is a vampire again (because for all her nonsensical bitching about how Elena stole her life you can bet she won’t stay powerless for long) she will be a newbie vampire and so more or less on par with Elena (and in theory weaker than the Salvatores), which could make for some awesome fight scenes.

"don't get any ideas to turn me into a vampire so we can live eternally ever after"

My actual thoughts as I watched: “Turning you? No. Having dirty hot sex on top of/against Alexandre’s tomb? OH, YES.”

He's a doppelganger... of SILAS! OF FREAKING SILAS!

To say nothing of season 3 Angel… *rolls eyes*

No, but seriously? WTF? Where the hell did they pull this out of? Where are they going with this? It better not be some mystical connection between Stefan and Elena because there would be hell to pay, I swear to god.
Shipper fear aside, what is even the point? “A version of me that could die”? What does that even mean? In what way some random dude with Silas’s face dying restores any kind of balance to Silas’s immortality? I mean, it could work if the doppelgangers were linked to the original and each others, like Silas experienced each of the doppelgangers’ deaths, but otherwise this is pure bullshit.
And suddenly there are more doppelgangers? That the 1000 y.o. Originals never knew about because they have always talked about doppelgangers when talking about Petrovas, not like there were multiple lines.
I am deeply, deeply skeptical about this ass pull. Still, my congratulations to Paul Wesley who must be cackling in glee at ditching lovelorness for villainy.

our little band of misfits did NOT want to unleash hell on earth for their own selfish reasons

Seriously, why were they not hunting Katherine? Because she’s the one who merrily unleashed Silas. The witches being pissed at Caroline I can understand, but the rest… it makes no sense.

I officially no longer hate Lexi.

Can’t join you here, she still bugs the fuck out of me. Especially since while everyone was running around being useful she contributed exactly nothing beside giving pep talks to Stefan, which: nice, but ultimately a waste of time.

Damon's speech to Vaughn at the quarry was hilarious.

Really, this guy will snark himself to death. Like, his hypothetical last words will be either “I love you” to Elena or Stefan or a pithy quip.

So Jere was dead, right and everyone knew? There was a gravestone and everything. Now, uhm, him being alive again

Yeah, I’m not sure either. I’m hoping for some Reality Ensues but I have zero actual expectations of anything but handwaving…

we continue to get the deconstruction of Stefan and Elena and their "twu wuv foreva!"

Delena and Steroline aside, I really like this. Much as I love tropes I am a sucker for deconstructions.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on May 20th, 2013 05:19 am (UTC)
In that moment [graduation-cap-decapitation] I forgave Klaus for a lot of the shit he pulled. I’m sorry, but while a lot of people can pull off a Big Damn Heroes moment.

LMAO! It was pretty awesome!

Bless him and his overgrown toddler antics…

Hee.

Here we will have to agree to disagree, because I’m sorry but everyone’s handwringing over Elena wanting to kill Katherine was absurd to me.

It wasn't them worried about Katherine dying, it was their worry that Katherine would kill Elena because she's so much stronger. And they were right. Had Elena not had the cure then, Katherine would have killed her. The only reason Elena isn't dead-dead is because Katherine wanted to play with her first.

The only possible good thing about this is that when Kat is a vampire again

Ah, but that isn't neccessarily going to happen. Julie explained why not and it makes perfect sense to me. There's a risk that what if once taking the cure you can't become a vampire again because it messes with your body chemistry, whatever? And in order to test it, she'd have to die and HOPE she comes back. So, yeah, what will Miss Katherine do. Will she risk dying to become a vampire? So interesting dilemma there.

He's a doppelganger... of SILAS! OF FREAKING SILAS!

To say nothing of season 3 Angel… *rolls eyes*


See, I didn't watch Angel and a lot of people haven't so just because it happened there doesn't make it a copy-cat. This show does way too much stuff that is original that I'm not gonna get on their case when they pull something out that happens to be similar to another vampire story. Because there are a LOT of vampire stories out there.

No, but seriously? WTF? Where the hell did they pull this out of? Where are they going with this? It better not be some mystical connection between Stefan and Elena because there would be hell to pay, I swear to god.

Oh, I don't think that is even a consideration.

what is even the point? “A version of me that could die”? What does that even mean? In what way some random dude with Silas’s face dying restores any kind of balance to Silas’s immortality?

Eh, I don't know it works for me, and the doppelganger connect is why it works. The witches created the Petrova doppelganger link to create a loophole for Klaus' hybrid-ness. It makes perfect sense (well, in a supernatural TVD kind of way) that the witches would have just been re-using the doppelganger method for another loophole. It's easy enough to play with, and they clearly already had remnants of the spell (via the Silas route) to use it for Klaus.

Seriously, why were they not hunting Katherine? Because she’s the one who merrily unleashed Silas. The witches being pissed at Caroline I can understand, but the rest… it makes no sense.

Well, other than our small gang, who knows that Katherine did it? And Katherine wouldn't have been there were it not for our gang going after the cure. Plus, it really was Kol just rallying the troops because he wanted to kill our gang and didn't care about Katherine.

Can’t join you here, she still bugs the fuck out of me.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I like her. I just mean I do not hate her anymore. I just like to laugh at her now because Damon pwned her ass. Hee!

Especially since while everyone was running around being useful she contributed exactly nothing beside giving pep talks to Stefan, which: nice, but ultimately a waste of time.

Which is so very Lexi. :)

Really, this guy will snark himself to death. Like, his hypothetical last words will be either “I love you” to Elena or Stefan or a pithy quip.

Very, very true.

Yeah, I’m not sure either. I’m hoping for some Reality Ensues but I have zero actual expectations of anything but handwaving…

Julie already said they are going to work on a cover story. Plus, I think the show generally tries to avoid handwaving obvious stuff.

Delena and Steroline aside, I really like this. Much as I love tropes I am a sucker for deconstructions.

:Nods: Agreed.

Edited at 2013-05-20 05:20 am (UTC)
Frust-sheep: sheep: *aww*frust_sheep on May 20th, 2013 12:15 am (UTC)
I think it was really a perfect episode ... I enjoyed and loved it so much. Also thank you again for your review, because I enjoyed and loved reading it, too. :D
So season 5 can begin now :D *lol*
Arabian: Damon04arabian on May 20th, 2013 05:21 am (UTC)
It definitely was damn awesome! :)

I'm glad you liked my write-up.

October... October.......................... so far away.
(Anonymous) on May 20th, 2013 10:58 am (UTC)
Dear arabian, normally I only read this site here and don't post because I'm from Germany and I can only come up with my school english, but at least one time I have to thank you for your sensational recaps. I'm a huge fan of TVD (and especially of Damon) and after watching my beloved series I love coming to your site and read your insightful thoughts - they are the icing on the cake for me!! You can read between the lines and you notice things not everybody has noticed and you manage to link your observations in a brilliant way! So thank you very much! Beyond that you often gave me hope when I was crushed because Damon had again gotten the short end of the stick - but now we can enjoy the break, he got the girl and at least for a short time he can be happy!

Here is a beautiful video clip for you and for all readers here - therein is also mentionned that Elena feels most alive with Damon even when she's dead - it's really worth watching it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVkvbTwPcY

Now, enjoy your summer and your free thursdays, you've really deserved it!
Arabian: Damon04arabian on May 21st, 2013 03:16 am (UTC)
Aww, thank you so much! I'm glad that others are able to enjoy my ramblings about the show. I love this show so much and I love being able to share that love.

Your English is fabulous. I can only read/write/speak one language, so kudos to you! If you ever want to share your thoughts, do feel free to do show!

Thanks for the link and the comment. :)
wiccabuffy: Buffy - Smilingwiccabuffy on May 20th, 2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
Great ep! I only wish that Tyler would have stayed away (for next season) and that instead of Jeremy being brought back to bring back Ric. Because Team Badass is amazing, Damon needs his BFF and drinking buddy, and we frankly need more adults on this show who are awesome....
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on May 21st, 2013 03:14 am (UTC)
If Tyler does come back. Please let it be one quick visit, then be gone for good. Julie's comments--MT still on contract, but who knows if Tyler will want to stick around in MF now?--make me think it's a possibility. Just give full closure then be done.

Logically, character-wise I get why it had to be Jeremy. And I love Jeremy. I just love Alaric more. *sigh*
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: DE hand holding epiphanybadboy_fangirl on May 21st, 2013 11:11 pm (UTC)
I haven't had time to respond to this, though I did find time to read it, and every time I think of it, I just let out a sigh of contentment, because YAYFINALLYYAY!

But before I get to all that, may I snag the icon on this post? I love it, and you know I will credit you. Also, I would pay good money, or good fanfic, or whatever you want if you would make many icons for 4x17 and 4x23. Just sayin'...

On to the squee:

But she didn't make that choice in this episode. She made that choice in "We All Go A Little Mad Sometimes."
I love you for saying this, because while so many others were flailing about the sire bond and pissing and moaning (with good cause, I'm not saying people can't dislike that storyline if they want), I kept going back to this moment (see icon), so I love that you bring it up. I never doubted Elena's love for Damon, because I'm convinced she's been in love with him since S2 for pete's sake, but yes, yes, YES. When she chose him in 4x06, she chose him. Quickly followed by the physical consummation that was easier to admit to than "love" -- it still took her a while to work it out, but it was all there, it has always been there. Most of the time I kept my head about this whole thing and felt confident I knew exactly where it was going. Strangely the thing that shook me was the NIan rumors, nothing about the show, which is stupid, but nonetheless. I had a moment of weakness, it's my thing. ;-)

And her anger with his decision to die was such a lovely parallel to Damon's anger at Elena for choosing to die at the beginning of the season. I love that we now have a full-circle Elena in the same frame of mind about Damon as he is about her, one that essentially boils down to "Fuck choice, save your life!"

Proof of that was her reaction to Alaric's asking Stefan if he should force the cure down Damon's throat.

I LOVE THIS SO MUCH! I MEAN, IT MAKES ME WANT TO RUN AROUND THE ROOM IN FULL GLEE. Because Elena is SO MUCH like Damon that she's NODDING YES to "shove it down his throat." It's just everything I love about them. So, so, so perfect!

I am firmly on board with the sire bond never was thing theory too, because yeah, she already loved him. She just couldn't ignore it anymore after she became a vampire. So, word to all that.

And I cannot wait for the Damon and Jeremy show in S5! It will be glorious!

The Stefan/Damon moment, and Ian's delivery of "Thanks, brother," ? Ugh, right in the feels. So good. I agree with everything you say there too.

There is tons more to say, but I have to go for now. If I get some time I may come back to address my Matt/Rebekah feels, but in summation, I'll just say it's going to suck to not have them on the same show next season, so I hope there is a LOT of crossover, at least with them. And Elijah and Katherine, obviously :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena21arabian on May 22nd, 2013 04:32 am (UTC)
It really was all about YAYFINALLY!!! But we knew it was coming, we so did!

But before I get to all that, may I snag the icon on this post? I love it, and you know I will credit you.

Of course!

Also, I would pay good money, or good fanfic, or whatever you want if you would make many icons for 4x17 and 4x23. Just sayin'...

I am behind on doing the icons, but the one site that has good caps is FINALLY getting back on track. They just put up 15. I'm hoping now I can catch up on my icons and by the time 17 is up, I should be able to have those. I checked other sites, but damn, HomeoftheNutty really has THE best caps. Are there particular scenes you want for 4.17 and 4.23? I can check out a few other sites and look for some stuff there.

I love you for saying this, because while so many others were flailing about the sire bond ... I kept going back to this moment (see icon), so I love that you bring it up.

I said it then, and I've never wavered. THIS was when she made her choice. Period. The first time she had a clear head and let go of her guilt for not dying when her parents did, she chose Damon. She did what SHE wanted.

I never doubted Elena's love for Damon ... When she chose him in 4x06, she chose him. Quickly followed by the physical consummation that was easier to admit to than "love" -- it still took her a while to work it out, but it was all there, it has always been there.

Yes, yes, yes, YES!!

RE: Doubt and Nian

I had a moment of doubt when I read the lyrics to the song that played over the D/E scene (before the episode aired). RE: Nina/Ian, I don't believe the rumors personally. I don't know if you saw the thing I posted on the 11:11 comm, but yeah, I don't buy it. I mean, US Weekly broke the story--that was then the VERY SAME STORY that every other media outlet picked up--without having confirmation. And then a few days later, US Weekly (along with other media outlets) posted pics of Ian all sad and depressed post-split hanging out with his dad in Louisiana. Only one problem, the pictures while they had just been released were from almost three months ago. Not to mention the contradictory "unnamed sources." It's ridiculous. Now the whole Beyonce-pregnant thing. I don't buy it. We knew they would barely see each other because of their schedules. It's jsut ridiculous. Stupid media. It really has taught me though that unless we hear it/see it from the person themselves, you can't trust the media. There is no such thing as journalistic integrity anymore, it's all about the 'scoop.'

I LOVE THIS SO MUCH! I MEAN, IT MAKES ME WANT TO RUN AROUND THE ROOM IN FULL GLEE. Because Elena is SO MUCH like Damon that she's NODDING YES to "shove it down his throat." It's just everything I love about them. So, so, so perfect!

And it was SOOOOO perfect and such a beautiful parallel, essentially putting Elena in the same "ILOVEYOUTHATMUCH!" spot as Damon.

I am firmly on board with the sire bond never was thing theory too, because yeah, she already loved him. She just couldn't ignore it anymore after she became a vampire. So, word to all that.

Yup. It's not just the inconsistencies, it's that there is LITERALLY not one single consistent thing about it.

And I cannot wait for the Damon and Jeremy show in S5! It will be glorious!

OH, DEAR LORD! THE JOYOUS FEELS OF ALL FEELS!!!!!!!!!!!

The Stefan/Damon moment, and Ian's delivery of "Thanks, brother," ? Ugh, right in the feels. So good. I agree with everything you say there too.

Slayed me dead.

There is tons more to say, but I have to go for now. If I get some time I may come back to address my Matt/Rebekah feels, but in summation, I'll just say it's going to suck to not have them on the same show next season, so I hope there is a LOT of crossover, at least with them. And Elijah and Katherine, obviously :D

I'm still holding out hope that Matt might wind up on TO eventually soon enough, and I'm all for hearing more about M/R feels! SQUEE!!! And, yeah, we need crossovers for Elijah/Katherine TOTALLY!
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Chrymera: pic#120744982chrisska on May 21st, 2013 11:28 pm (UTC)
Arkjsklfjsaklfjaksljflks everything about this was SPOT ON!!! I might have cried a few times, your words are so touching. <3
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on May 22nd, 2013 03:08 am (UTC)
Thank you. :) Aww, I'm glad what I wrote worked for you.
tj2013tj2013 on May 24th, 2013 08:08 pm (UTC)
Wow - I had one week off (without access to the internet) after the finale, now I come back and jeez, it will take me like forever to scroll through all the comments. LOL. Which I like nearly as much as reading your fabulous recaps.
You nailed it down, as usual, and reading this is like rewatching the finale again, but with more insight, more color, you know what I mean. I might have some more specific comments on the finale,but I don't wanna bore you... so I am going through the comments first and see whether you already discussed it :-)) Thanks for sharing your thoughts - it has been a pleasure to read you over the last months until this awesome finale and I am looking forward to accompanying you again as soon as Season 5 starts.
Are you going to do some fanfiction over the summer? *Clapping hands expectantly* :-))
Arabian: Damon02arabian on May 30th, 2013 07:35 am (UTC)
There are definitely some great commenters to these posts, I love it. But if you thought of more you want to discuss, go for it. :)

I'm glad you enjoy my write-ups on the show. I'll probably have more related TVD things throughout the summer too. As for fanfic, I'm not sure. Sorry.
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