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03 May 2013 @ 03:35 am
4.21 - 'She's Come Undone' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Damn, ya'll! This episode was insanely good. SO, SO, SOOOOOOOO good. I just, gah!! SO GOOD! I've watched it twice and I thought it was great, fantastic, blah, blah, the first time, but the second, HOLY SMOKES! Just wow! I LOVE THIS SHOW!

Let's start with Elena. Of course. The torture played out as I expected it actually. It was done to get the real Elena out and Elena gave as good as she got. In fact, Elena was pretty much in complete control emotionally the entire time. And I love how key aspects of Elena's personality are still shining through, namely her stubborn bad-assery and her smarts applied smartly. Switch or not, girl knows she's in control and she's using that power. Of course the only time she wasn't in control was when Damon (*of course*) managed to get a rise out of her. And it was interesting coming off of what I noticed in "Pictures of You" how it was Damon that got the emotional reactions out of her. The same thing happened here. With Stefan, her little digs were delivered slyly. She was calm and cool about it and fairly emotionless. On the other hand, when it came to Damon her digs were delivered in anger and pain before she did manage to get control of herself and reverted to her calm, emotionless state. But still it was DAMON that got her to react! Uh huh.

As a Damon/Elena fan, I ADORED how her humanity was brought back for several reasons. It helped to highlight something that's been going on ever since the sire bond came up, namely that Damon has not been trusting his instincts. He's been following Stefan's lead, discussing things with Stefan, going along with Stefan's take on things (torturing Elena, calling their ex to come over and up the torture-ante) and, naturally, all of Stefan's plans were nothing but a big, ole fat bust. Because, yeah, Stefan. (Love you, boo, but yeah, planning is so not your forte.) Yet because of how the sire bond and all of its implications has so completely messed with Damon's headspace (especially when it comes to Elena), he's gone along with Stefan. Until now. Until Elena was no longer in their control at all.

At that moment, you could see it come over Damon. As he told Elena later, he was done playing. He was doing things his way and getting shit done. Cuz that's what Damon Fucking Salvatore does. So he did it. He was SO freakin' decisive once he realized Elena was no longer in their grasp, he didn't even stop to discuss it, he just came up with a plan, boom! Corralled Matt (who, of course, obeyed right away because, yeah, Damon has that boy trained) and went forth to bring back Elena's humanity and got it done. And I'm pretty sure it was all on Damon (with Matt's willing assistance), because--unless Paul Wesley played it totally wrong--Stefan did NOT know that Damon hadn’t intended to actually kill Matt and that he was wearing the ring. In other words, Stefan's plan(s) failed, Damon's was a SUCCESS! BOOYAH! Damon was SO decisive, just as Elena was SO sure he wouldn't kill Matt. The two were trying to one-up each other, but Damon was done playing as he said. So he did it, and Elena's bluff was called. She forgot a key reason she and Damon are so good together. In enough ways, the two of them are very much alike and that includes... they don't bluff when those they love are on the line.

I also loved how her humanity was brought back because of how beautifully it mirrored when she lost her humanity. Both Damon and Elena kneeling on the floor, facing one another and Damon was speaking softly, carefully to her, trying to reach her saying exactly what he needed to get her where she needed to be. Meanwhile, Stefan was on the outside watching just as he had in "Stand By Me" (Caroline was on the sidelines with him then, Matt rather out of it at this point too). The emotion, the connection, the pull-push was all between Damon and Elena. And taking that mirroring to an exquisite level was the fact that the EXACT SAME MUSIC was used for when Elena's humanity came back as when it left. See?


OH MY GOD! RIGHT?! SO AWESOME!

Ahh, and further proof that Damon gets shit done? Elena is on fire. Stefan tries to reach for her with his hands--which would burn him as well. Damon uses the fire extinguisher and the force of the foam to get her out of the sun and safe. Yeah.

Also further proof that Damon needs to trust HIS instincts when it comes to Elena instead of Stefan's? How about the fact that Damon once again showed just how much he knows Elena better than Stefan? He got that it's not that Elena doesn't want to come back because she has "nothing" to come back to (which is BS, Stefan. She's got Damon, her friends, including, yes, Stefan). It's because she knows that there is no risk that the boys will hurt her. Sure, she had to spell it out, but Stefan just dismissed it. Damon did not and realized that was key.

This brings us to Katherine and her part in all of this. Stefan was wrong and right at the same time about her. He rightly figured that bringing Katherine in to the equation will do the trick, but he sorta understands this from *KATHERINE*'s perspective, not Elena's. He knows that Katherine will happily torture Elena, but doesn't quite get that Katherine will get bored easily because, hey, what's in it for her? Of course we find out at the end that Katherine IS the key, but it's from Elena's end. Stefan was wrong to try and use Katherine HERSELF (as opposed to what she represented) to bring Elena back. Speaking of Elena's focus that pulled her humanity back, how they played that moment was brilliant and beautifully staged, directed and acted. As Stefan was imploring her to hold onto the one thing that would make her want to live, she locked gazes with him and began to calm down and without words, you could see that Damon immediately thought that Elena was clinging to Stefan and their love. It was how that flash of pain lit his eyes, how he slowly took his hands off of her and backed away, moving to the side. It was how throughout the rest of their interaction, he was very careful to not cross any "friend" lines.

I knew it couldn't have been Stefan that she was clinging to though with that moment coming with ten minutes left in the episode. If that had been the case, it would have ended the episode as some fresh turning point in the triangle. And it did make perfect sense that Damon (and likely Stefan) believed that was the case. It's not just the sire bond that has done a number on him, it's the continued insistence of EVERYONE that once Elena is back to "herself," she'll run straight back to Stefan. (This time it was via Katherine.) And I'm sorry, but when every single character says something, it's pretty much a given that the opposite will happen.

However, we got yet another little sign that Elena is just not there at all with Stefan anymore. He is the outsider in this equation now, he truly is, which we saw patterned throughout the whole episode. Damon is standing in front of the safe with Elena ("take me back to solitary," LOL, Elena), while Stefan is a few feet away. Stefan is at the window; Damon is kneeling by her side throughout most of the scene. Stefan is farther away from her while she lay on the floor recovering from the burns while Damon is closer. Damon is kneeling before her when she flips the switch; Stefan is a few feet back again. And in the final scene, Damon is sitting across from her, closest to her, while Stefan is across the room. Sitting next to Damon, farthest away from Elena, he brings her a drink--which Elena doesn't even begin to take (unlike the two times she's been upset sitting in that room when Damon brought her a drink to relax). Except for when Elena threw that dig about dumping him and at the end when Damon positioned himself away from Elena, Stefan was almost always just outside of Elena's dance space while Damon was constantly there.

This is not to say that Stefan didn't help Elena with her humanity re-emerging, but his help came from his history and his knowledge of how to come back from the brink, not about *their* history. Although it was definitely played in such a way to indicate the latter, Elena's reveal (almost casual) at the end that her touchstone was hating Katherine made it quite clear that it wasn't about Stefan for Elena, it just wasn't. And it also gave us another connection of sorts to Damon. In "Because The Night," Elena mentioned that Damon had to have emotions to do what he did to Lexi in the 70's and Damon basically said that he figured hate was the first emotion he got back and it opened the door. Well, what happened with Elena here? Her first real emotion coming back that focused her? Hate. Just like Damon. Two peas in a pod, I tell ya. :)

So even though we got no overt Damon and Elena in the episode, I was satisfied with the bigger picture, little details that were on display. And I also got some great couple stuff with Matt and Rebekah. Oh my heart, I love them so. All of their scenes were wonderful. Him reaching out, her being bitchy, he walking away, her showing up and then the conversations that followed were sublime. Now I don't agree that Matt needs better friends--he has great friends who have risked their lives for him, have literally died for him--but I agree with and love everything else she said. "Everyone needs an advantage in life, I could be yours." *sigh* Oh, if Rebekah isn't staying in Mystic Falls can Matt pretty please go to New Orleans?!? PLEASE!!! Zach Roerig and Claire Holt are just SOOOO good together. So blonde and pretty and soft and heartwarming and they have such a wonderful yin and yang. Plus, Matt and Rebekah are soooo good FOR each other. Ahhhh! I love them, I love them, I love them!

You know who else I love? Caroline! Oh my, she was splendiferous in this one. I pretty much loved every moment with her. And the stuff with Silas sneaking up on her, wearing different faces, scaring the bejesus out of her was soooo well done. It reminded me of the superbly suspenseful stuff we got in "History Repeating" way back in season 01. But aside from that, just Caroline herself was delightful. That she ordered cap and gown for Matt and Elena, that she has flashcards and energy bars ready for study sessions ("you dated that?" LOL! Oh, Rebekah!), that Candice Accola flawlessly delivered the line "Don't let anyone inside, even me. Because I have a key." ... all of that is why I adore Caroline Forbes so. Ah, she is SO much better with draggy Tyler not dragging her awesome down! With him gone, even with the Klaus-aspect of her story, she's more rounded. She's just not about a boy! And for some reason, pairing her up with Tyler made her about that boy. Ugh. But we have her stuff Klaus, and on top of that, the person she loves most is her mom (aww! and that cry of "mommy" made my heart hurt, oh, Caroline!), she forgives and wants to save Elena even though she tried to kill her twice. She's ready to step up and help Matt and do what has to be done for all of her friends. I LOVE CAROLINE!

However, I realized definitively in this one that I totally do NOT ship Klaus and Caroline. When Caroline turned around and Klaus was there I literally (much to surprise, honestly) went "ugh." Hmm, I guess without Tyler around to show me just how lame a crappy Caroline coupling could be, I've lost most of my affection for Klaus and Caroline. Still, I cannot deny that Accola and Joseph Morgan do indeed have chemistry. He's just not even remotely redeemed enough for my Caroline. I could see it someday, just not now. And partially why I could see it someday is because there are definitely feelings there from Caroline's end. Everything that SiKlaus said came from *Caroline*'s mind. Uh huh. She wanted him to come back, to ask her to join him, to want her with him. Double uh huh.

Alright then, plenty of randoms left...

- With regards to Bonnie, I'm not sure what's going on with her. She's obviously on the "good" side of things, but there's this distance that is almost cold about her right now. Still, her bad-assery magic busting doors open was awesome! It was frustrating though that Caroline could easily forgive Elena, but Bonnie couldn't. *sigh* Bonnie. It's not like it's out of character though.

- Also in character is Katherine's inability to get what happened with Elijah. Because she is SO self-involved, she just doesn't get that Elijah didn't put a break on things with her because he was mad at her (and he didn't dump her, damnit, it was a pause! A PAUSE, I TELL YA! Ahem.), but because he loves his family and has hopes that he can bring the humanity of his brother back. But Katherine has spent so many centuries looking out for only herself, caring only about herself that she can't quite wrap her brain around Elijah's selflessness for family. Oh, Katherine.

- Still, Katherine provided three of my favorite moments in the episode... First her "Oh, honey, you look awful" when she first saw Elena. I laughed out loud legit. Her "Oops!" (which I would totally gif, but I'm having difficulty getting a good copy so far, grr) at "forgetting" to lock Elena in made me laugh even more. And finally, her mispronunciation of Quetsiya's name followed by "whatever" cracked me up. Oh, Katherine.

- So Elena is planning on killing Katherine--just as Katherine is getting the promise of invulnerable immortality--I wonder if this will bring about any Stefan/Katherine feelings to the fore. That's one relationship that has yet to see closure. Hmmm............

- Cuz, yeah, Damon's got his closure when it comes to Katherine. "I love Elena. I despise you," he said with a sweet smile. Hah!

- So, yeah, I commented in my "Pictures of You" write-up that the group needed a safeword so they would know when it's Silas and when it's not, but duh, that wouldn't work because Silas can get in their heads so he would know what the safeword is.

- Hee, not one, but two bouts of product placement. At least it was mostly organically done and not in the middle of a big emotional scene. ("The Last Dance" BONNIE IS ALIVE TO ELENA reveal, I'm looking at you!)

- So can we put to rest the complaints about Damon always getting the blame from the group? That just doesn't happen anymore unless Damon actually IS to blame. This torture-track was something they all took upon and went with and the closest to anyone getting some flack was Caroline to Stefan.

- Yay! I figured when I read that Damon threatened Matt to get Elena to flip her switch that Matt would be in on it, and he was. Whee! I love me some Matt and Damon interaction--let's try and keep Damon killing him to a minimum though, please. And, show, do NOT be foreshadowing that Matt will die. I simply will not accept that. Just so you know.

- Speaking of love for Matty. Aww, Damon said that everybody loves Matt. That everybody would include Damon, right? ;)

- Hmm, so coming back from the dead hurts. I don't think we knew that before.

- Caroline taking her blood and needle-plunging it into her mom's heart? Aww, and, erm, eww! But, yay! Liz is still alive!! (Speaking of Liz and Caroline, man, that brief phone call between them and how Liz was all "Hi, how's it going?" before Caroline ran and hugged her... squee! I loved it.)

- So, yeah, Elena essentially said what I've been saying about her with the switch off. It took away everything that made Elena who she was. Yup, and that's why she wasn't even remotely peeved AT ALL with the boys for all they did to bring her humanity back. Because a humanity-less Elena is just not the Elena Gilbert that she would want to be and that (almost) everyone loves. (I do hope that Rebekah finds that she can like this Elena too, though!)

- OK, really? I love this show like whoah, but the fresh make-up on Elena after the torture, Matt-death, humanity-resurrection was a tad bit ridiculous, LOL. Oh, show, it's OK, I still love you so.

And how can I not when it continues to be the utter absolute height of teh AWESOME! SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!! So Elena's humanity is back on and being driven by hate now. Hmm, let's see what happens when her other emotions begin to take hold because I don't think Elena is fully there yet. Two more episodes left!
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on May 3rd, 2013 09:30 am (UTC)
This espisode was awesome! I loved it, too. Every second. (The only thing I didn't like was Rebekah's hair in her conversation with Matt at the end, I think she is way prettier without having it tied back, but that's really a minor complaint, LOL. Maybe it was the close-ups).
Agree with everything you said and you totally had it right: as soon as Damon starts trusting himself again, he gets all the stuff done and he is being smart! Gee, I missed this Damon. Glad he's back.
I have seen Stelenas getting their hopes up, but I would agree with you that overall this ep had much more Delena-feeling. Not on the forefront, but it was definitely there.
Arabian: Elena10arabian on May 4th, 2013 06:17 pm (UTC)
Oh, I was not a fan of Rebekah's hair this episode either. Claire Holt is lovely, but she has a broad-ish face, and that severe hairstyle is not flattering to her face shape. Other than that, yeah, everything was just wonderful in this episode. SO GOOD!

as soon as Damon starts trusting himself again, he gets all the stuff done and he is being smart!

YUP!

I wouldn't understand why S/E fans are getting their hopes up if I didn't know their history of ignoring canon when it comes to S/E and D/E. I mean, they flat-out had Elena say that it was her hate of Katherine that she focused on thus negating the fake-out that it was Stefan she connected to to focus. And, of course, they completely ignored that Elena was playing Stefan during the dance and slammed him down. *sigh*

I'm really trying to not be biased like I was last season where I ignored what was right there (and I EVEN wrote about it--Elena wanting to hold onto the happy times with Stefan) because I was so determined to believe it was heading to D/E. So I've been really trying to see and pay attention to S/E stuff too and I'm just not seeing it. We'll see in a few weeks I guess.

x5valex5vale on May 3rd, 2013 10:20 am (UTC)
THIS THIS THIS THIS!

I have seen some posts talking about the fact that Damon saw the reconnection between Stefan and Elena when he helped her to focus on just one thing, but honestly all I could see were two guys who were willing to do everything they could to help the girl they love.

Of course Stefan and Elena share a connection, of course Damon is scared to lose her...but at the end of the day, he brought her back, risking to lose her, to be hurt and broken, because Damon loves her so much that her welfare is more important than his.

Omg I could write for ages about how much awesome Damon has been in this episode, but I guess you already know it.

Also I love how the other characters look at him right now. I know I watch TVD through Damon's eyes and I am biased, but this show is still pretty brilliant for all the characters involved, so yeah a great episode for me.
Arabian: Damon14arabian on May 4th, 2013 06:22 pm (UTC)
I have seen some posts talking about the fact that Damon saw the reconnection between Stefan and Elena when he helped her to focus on just one thing, but honestly all I could see were two guys who were willing to do everything they could to help the girl they love.

Well, prior to Damon pulling away from Elena and watching her and Stefan, I would agree it was all about both helping her, but once Damon pulled away and was watching them, it was DEFINITELY about Damon *thinking* that it was a reconnection. Of course, we found out at the end that it was not what happened, she was thinking of Katherine and her hate of her, not of Stefan and their "epic twu wuv!" So it was definitely supposed to seem as if she reconnected with Stefan there, but that wasn't the case.

So while, yes, I agree with Damon will do anything to help Elena, he was reeling in that moment because he thought he saw her reconnecting with Stefan right before his eyes, but at the end of it all the most important thing was that Elena was back in humanity-mode.
bangel_4e: delena2bangel_4e on May 3rd, 2013 10:45 am (UTC)
I adored this episode with every fiber of my being. I did. I missed the first 5 minutes (of course -.-) so I have to re-watch those..and actually, I'd rewatch the entire episode!

First of all, Elena has her emotions back. YAY! And Damon did it! I knew Matt was wearing the ring, Damon's not stupid....but it was still so amazing to see. He took a risk to save Elena, like he always does. Awww, so wonderful.
But I also think Stefan helped Elena...he helped her calm down cause they've been through the exact same thing after switching the emotions on..the guilt and all of that. But I never thought she was focusing on him while calming down. Thankfully, she said that out loud..that was thinking about Katherine.

But Damon's face...oh my...he was so hurt, thinking she was thinking about Stefan...
Your moment of truth is gonna come Damon.

It was how that flash of pain lit his eyes, how he slowly took his hands off of her and backed away, moving to the side
that broke my heart. Poor Damon.

And I'm sorry, but when every single character says something, it's pretty much a given that the opposite will happen.
Yep, they pushed that too far. Everyone keeps saying that. And even if the sire bond exists....it doesn't matter, Elena loves him anyway.


An HELL YES to Rebekkah/Matt (PLEASEEEE!) and the awesomeness of Caroline in this episode!!
(Even though I do love me some Klaus & Caroline).

I just think the episode was SO GREAT under every aspect, I love how it was directed.

And yes, we can finally stop thinking everyone blames Damon :)
Oh btw, I'm pretty 100% sure Damon & Matt planned the whole thing by themselves..Matt surely knew cause when he woke up he immediately asked if it had worked and Stefan clearly looked surprised unless..as you said, Paul showed bad acting. But I don't think so.
I even read a person saying that Damon was an asshole for killing Matt just to get Elena back....I wonder if those people watch the show or have a brain cell left -.-

Well, anyway...I l..look at Bonnie and I feel nothing...I can't really tell what she's up to but I missed the part where she said she wasn't gonna forgive Elena. That's in character and pretty stupid. She should understand where this is coming from. Jeremy died...she of all people should understand.

I don't know what else to add but I will if something comes to my mind :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena25arabian on May 5th, 2013 04:21 am (UTC)
I adored this episode with every fiber of my being. I did. I missed the first 5 minutes (of course -.-) so I have to re-watch those..and actually, I'd rewatch the entire episode!

Yeah, I rewatched this one right away and it was soooooooooooooooo good.

I'm so glad that it was Damon who made the right call getting her emotions back. Yes, it was because of Matt, but it was DAMON's plan. Yeah, baby!

But I also think Stefan helped Elena...

I agreed and even added something to that effect to my post because I should have commented on that. This is what I added:
This is not to say that Stefan didn't help Elena with her humanity re-emerging, but his help came from his history and his knowledge of how to come back from the brink, not about *their* history. Although it was definitely played in such a way to indicate the latter, Elena's reveal (almost casual) at the end that her touchstone was hating Katherine made it quite clear that it wasn't about Stefan for Elena, it just wasn't.

But I never thought she was focusing on him while calming down. Thankfully, she said that out loud..that was thinking about Katherine.

With it not happening at the end of the episode I knew absolutely it wasn't about Stefan.

An HELL YES to Rebekkah/Matt (PLEASEEEE!) and the awesomeness of Caroline in this episode!!

THIS SO HARD!!!!

And yes, we can finally stop thinking everyone blames Damon :)

I'm SO glad you're there about this now. YAY! :)

Oh btw, I'm pretty 100% sure Damon & Matt planned the whole thing by themselves..Matt surely knew cause when he woke up he immediately asked if it had worked and Stefan clearly looked surprised unless..as you said, Paul showed bad acting. But I don't think so.

Oh, yeah, Matt totally was in on it. He was wearing the ring after all. So awesome. See, I told you that Damon liked Matt!!!!

I even read a person saying that Damon was an asshole for killing Matt just to get Elena back....I wonder if those people watch the show or have a brain cell left -.-

I believe it's called selective viewing. ;)

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Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on May 3rd, 2013 04:01 pm (UTC)
Okay, is it just me, or is Silas one scary bastard? Looking like anyone he wants and like Freddy Kruger in his true form (with that creepy rasping voice provided courtesy of Jason Spisak), playing on the fears and desires of our beloved characters to torment them, somehow getting into the Forbes house with no regard for the threshold - yeah, he's a living nightmare. The show makers have really knocked this villain out of the park.

Other than that...well, yes to everything you said, though Stefan and I aren't in a very good place right now. I really hope that the hammering about Stefan/Elena and the sire bond means both will be proved absolutely false in the season finale - Delena deserves vindication after all the subtle details and lengthy build-up they've been given (true love if I ever saw it) and all the crap they've suffered in the show and from the fandom. So far, it's looking good for us - not so good for the haters, heh. :P

So yeah - here's to another spectacular episode! :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on May 4th, 2013 06:24 pm (UTC)
I don't know, SIlas seems like a bogey-man to me at this point, so I don't know how I feel. Hmmm.

I really hope that the hammering about Stefan/Elena and the sire bond means both will be proved absolutely false in the season finale - Delena deserves vindication after all the subtle details and lengthy build-up they've been given (true love if I ever saw it) and all the crap they've suffered in the show and from the fandom. So far, it's looking good for us - not so good for the haters, heh. :P

I'm REALLY trying to not be biased like I was last season where I ignored what was right there (and I EVEN wrote about it--Elena wanting to hold onto the happy times with Stefan) because I was so determined to believe it was heading to D/E. So I've been really trying to see and pay attention to S/E stuff too and I'm just not seeing it.
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prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on May 3rd, 2013 07:58 pm (UTC)
First of all, ELENA IS BACK! YES! Seriously while offElena was spouting all of these horrible things I was just ready to put a muzzle on her, shut her up, and get nice compassionate Elena back. Now, hopefully she's learned some things from this experience, namely that letting people walk all over you and not speaking your mind in a tasteful way is just a big no-no. But still, I am so happy she finally turned it back on. So grateful to see that little spark back in her eyes.

Second of all, how awesomely intense was that turning it back on scene? Holy moly, I knew Damon was going to snap Matt's neck but the way to the two of them (elena and Damon) just challenged each other, like a game, was so awesome to watch. it was like a game of chess, for real. And yeah, I agree I don't think Stefan knew a thing about Damon's plan other than maybe using Matt as bait so they can find Elena but Damon giving Matt the ring and killing him? Yeah, he had no idea and he couldn't know because if Stefan wasn't freaking out, Elena wouldn't believe it all. And the best part is...it worked! I was just clapping at Damon being so awesome this episode and I was also tearing up because Elena was in so much pain and also having Damon see Elena and Stefan have their moment...it was just so angsty. Such a clever way to include references to the triangle situation by having Stefan watch DE and then Damon watch SE and seeing their interactions. ON that note, um...it's pretty obvious at this point that Elena is not going to run back to Stefan and even though everyone keeps on saying it will happen, and i'm sure Damon believes it, it's one of the most obvious writing techniques for the writers to use to the point where I almost think the viewers should be rooting for Damon and yelling at the screen to make him not listen and believe because if any of the veiwers believe that Damon's fears will come true, they are seriously delusional.

Other stuff:
Caroline's whole story this epsiode was freaking awesome and also really intense! When her mom was lying on the ground I really thought they were going to kill off Liz and I know whatever spoilers we had never indicated such things but IDK I just thought maybe it was supposed to be a surprise. Seriously I was shaking! LOL!

I loved the way Jo Morgan played the Klilas/Caroline confrontation and when tilted her head and spoke in her ear...I had chills and not in a good kind of way. Also Interesting the way Caroline interacted with Klaus before she found out it was Silas...very interesting.

Bonnie was a little weird, strong for sure, but i'm not sure if I completely trust her...but maybe that's what they wanted.

The torture? Eh, didn't really bother me but I did kind of cringe at how harsh Damon was being. My thought process was he was overcompensating in the way he was speaking to Elena in an effort to NOT show how hurt and sad he was that it had come to this...torturing his girl.

Stefan? I don't know what to say....Paul is definetly phoning it in and I just....i'm not invested in him anymore. I don't know...I WANT to be invested in him and I used to be, but the only time I care about him is when he's talking to Caroline.

All in all...such a great ep! Such a great season!
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)03arabian on May 5th, 2013 04:31 am (UTC)
First of all, ELENA IS BACK! YES!

YES INDEED!

Seriously while offElena was spouting all of these horrible things I was just ready to put a muzzle on her

And I was amused, LOL! I just couldn't help but get a kick out of what a mean bitch Elena was, and the reaction from the boys was amusing as well in its own way. I figured Elena would be back before the episode ended, so I figured I'd enjoy bitchy Elena for as long as I could. Hah!

So grateful to see that little spark back in her eyes.

More than that I LOVED that after she said she wasn't ok, she said that she would get better. That's my strong, awesome girl!

That turning it back on scene was as awesomely powerful as the turning it off scene... which is saying a LOT. But it SO WAS! I knew that Matt had the ring because (a) I knew Damon wouldn't kill Matt, not now, he's on Damon's list. (b) Someone mentioned seeing Matt wearing the ring in an upcoming still, LOL!, and (c) Matt is in the graduation stills from 2.23. So, yeah, I knew it, but it was still awesomely done!!!

but the way to the two of them (elena and Damon) just challenged each other, like a game, was so awesome to watch.

I KNOW!!! IT WAS JUST SO AMAZING! I was riveted.

I was just clapping at Damon being so awesome this episod

Yup, as soon as push came to shove and it needed to be DONE with Elena, Damon stopped following anyone else's lead (re: Stefan), and just did what he does best... get shit done!

Such a clever way to include references to the triangle situation by having Stefan watch DE and then Damon watch SE and seeing their interactions.

YUP!

ON that note, um...it's pretty obvious at this point that Elena is not going to run back to Stefan [...] if any of the veiwers believe that Damon's fears will come true, they are seriously delusional.

Yup, but apparently the S/E fans are going gaga over the "obvious" Stefan/Elena reconnection in this episode and the uber-hot dance in 4.19. Yeah.

Caroline's whole story this epsiode was freaking awesome [...] I really thought they were going to kill off Liz

I knew she couldn't be dead because, again, graduation stills and Caroline looked too happy in those pics which she wouldn't be if her mom died. Stupid spoilers. I was doing so well, but I gave up the last few episodes. Ah well. Still, yes, Caroline's entire storyline, every moment was AWESOME and Liz is alive still! YAY!

Also Interesting the way Caroline interacted with Klaus before she found out it was Silas...very interesting.

Agreed!

Bonnie was a little weird, strong for sure, but i'm not sure if I completely trust her...but maybe that's what they wanted.

I think so too.

The torture? Eh, didn't really bother me but I did kind of cringe at how harsh Damon was being. My thought process was he was overcompensating in the way he was speaking to Elena in an effort to NOT show how hurt and sad he was that it had come to this...torturing his girl.

Oh, absolutely. He wanted her to believe that he would really hurt her but she knows him better than that. Oh, Damon.

Stefan? I don't know what to say....Paul is definetly phoning it in and I just....i'm not invested in him anymore. I don't know...I WANT to be invested in him and I used to be, but the only time I care about him is when he's talking to Caroline.

Hmm, I don't think Paul's phoning it in at all. I think that Stefan is holding himself in reserve right now. He told himself he was moving on from Elena, but then realized in 4.19 that the feelings are still there and so he's stuck right now. He wants to believe that Elena regains her humanity, maybe gets the cure, they can get back to what they were, but he's not willing to hold on to that completely at this point. So he's holding himself back. The reason he comes more alive with Caroline is simply because he doesn't have to hold back with her. That's how I see it anyway. :shrugs:

All in all...such a great ep! Such a great season!

YES!

Edited at 2013-05-05 08:01 am (UTC)
aurora7948/Celestial Aurora: Faerieaurora7948 on May 3rd, 2013 08:28 pm (UTC)
So, I don't think I've ever been able to limit myself to a single part post when I have responded. SORRY! But this time isn't an exception. So here goes Part I:

OMG YES! Yes yes yes yes yes and yes. This episode was GREAT.

Ok, minor rant coming (you've been warned, lol) but I have not been the biggest fan of the past few episodes. I actually wish that I hadn't known about "The Originals" spin-off beforehand because then I could have just enjoyed the story that they are telling. However, with knowing about the spin-off, it has really been ticking me off that they have been so blatantly setting up and promoting it during tVD episodes. And I definitely did NOT appreciate the pilot of The Originals taking place in the middle of my favorite show last week. If I take that episode as the pilot and stand it on it's own, it's not bad (though I'm totally calling BULLS*** on what's-her-face being pregnant....seriously writers, that was the best that you could come up with to hook us?) but to barely even show a glimpse of the characters that I LOVE and have been dying to know what's going to happen with them? Not cool tVD writers. NOT COOL.

Alright, breathing has returned to normal. Anyways, back to this episode. I absolutely LOVED it. It totally made up for all The Originals stuff lately. SO excited to have the REAL Elena back. I agree that we probably still have a ways to go with her yet. Hate is a powerful emotion. And it can also be an all-consuming emotion. Which is, of course exactly what Elena wants/needs now that she has emotions again. Like Stefan said, she needs to grab a hold of something and focus. And while all of us Delena shippers were hoping that she would grab on to her love for Damon....I actually think this is better. As with all vampires, her emotions are going to be heightened (again) and I can see hate taking over Elena for a bit, burying all the other emotions for a while. And I can also see, because of the interaction between her, Stefan, and Damon (again with the moving away Damon? Still??), that this may result in a bit of a break for Elena from either brother. I mean, she had gone straight from Stefan to Damon. And before that, almost straight from Matt to Stefan. Elena has not yet really just been Elena (yeah, yeah she shot digs at Damon while she was emotionless but that doesn't really count because she wasn't really Elena). And while I don't believe for a moment that Damon would desert her or leave her to wallow in her hatred, I do think that she might become, temporarily, so consumed that she ignores him and...not really pushes him away....but just is distant. But, I think this could be better because it might allow Elena a little bit of time to figure out who she is for sure and who/what she really wants.

Loved the Damon/Elena interactions during the torture sessions. Although, I think that if he isn't being considered for the main role in 50 Shades of Gray, he really proved that he can play that part and play it well in this episode and the casting people for 50 Shades should pay attention (sad as it will be for me as I am very much not a fan of those books).
Arabian: Damon09arabian on May 5th, 2013 04:53 am (UTC)
PART 1 --

So, I don't think I've ever been able to limit myself to a single part post when I have responded. SORRY! But this time isn't an exception. So here goes Part I:

I'll keep telling you... I don't mind AT ALL! I LOVE long, lengthy, multiple responses. Seriously!

Re: Your rant. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but really it's not bad. It's pretty obvious that the writers/producers have a VERY clear 22-episode outline. Last season, the CW gave a bunch of their shows 1-3 extra episodes and TVD basically said 'nah, we're good with 22.' This season, partly through the season (after the 22-episode outline had been established no doubt), the CW decided to go with extra episodes again. So Julie took advantage of the extra episode and created the backdoor pilot. That way she gave the network it's 23rd episode and used it to get the backdoor pilot off the ground without impacting the TVD story, and also didn't make them have to mess their already-planned 22-episode outline. All backdoor pilots barely show the original cast so that's just normal going, but again, Julie/TVD did it in such a way that didn't take away what we normally would have gotten in a season. Plus because we DID get that extra, unexpected episode we wound up getting the few extra scenes in Mystic Falls (Damon/Elena/Stefan, and Rebekah/Elijah/Katherine) that otherwise we wouldn't have gotten it. So it was actually an extra bonus for us. :)

Back to this episode. What was really interesting is that in "Because The Night" when Elena mentioned that Damon had to have emotions to do what he did to Lexi in the 70's, Damon basically said that he figured hate was the first emotion he got back and it opened the door. Well, what happened with Elena? Her first real emotion coming back that focused her? Hate. Just like Damon. TWo peas in a pod, I tell ya. :)

And while all of us Delena shippers were hoping that she would grab on to her love for Damon....I actually think this is better. As with all vampires, her emotions are going to be heightened (again) and I can see hate taking over Elena for a bit, burying all the other emotions for a while.

I completely agree that she needed something not lovey-dovey soft. I think that would have wound up sending her on another tailspin of emotional depths leading to another breakdown.

On the other hand, I don't think it means a break. I'm not sure how it will all play out, but I do think that she'll be with Damon or Stefan at the end of the season. I'm leaning towards Damon because that is what narratively makes sense. I know I said that last season, but I was completely ignoring the Stefan part of the equation because I didn't want to pay attention. Narratively (and I even freaking called it in several episode mentions then basically dismissed it because I thought it would be resolved before season's end), it made sense as to why Elena chose Stefan as she did. This time, even paying attention to the Stefan-side, I don't see how she chooses Stefan. We'll see, though.

And before that, almost straight from Matt to Stefan.

No, there was about 3-4 months between them. Her parents died in May and school started September and that's when she met Stefan and she broke up with Matt right after her parents died.

continued...
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aurora7948/Celestial Aurora: Faerieaurora7948 on May 3rd, 2013 08:28 pm (UTC)
Part II:
Having Damon kill Matt to bring back Elena's humanity, PERFECTION. I think that whole scene was fantastic (minus the commercial break that split it in half, lol). Like you've said, Damon was finally thinking like Damon again. I had no doubt in my mind that Matt had the ring on. It was the first thing I thought of (while my jaw was still on the floor). Damon, while probably willing to kill to bring Elena back (yes, I do doubt that he actually would kill to bring her back) there is NO way he would intentionally turn her against him by permanently killing Matt (also why I don't think he'd kill to bring her back, that would be just one more person dead that she would blame herself, and him, for when she turned her humanity back on). Funny though that Stefan saved Matt’s life just so Damon could kill him, hahaha. And, I think it's important to remember that not only was that an "OMG MATT!" moment for Elena, it was also a very very poignant reminder of Jeremy and how he died. Jeremy was supposed to be safe, he was supposed to be ok and come back to life no matter what because of the ring. But, because his vampire hunter status, when Katherine put him in the clutches of Silas, it no longer protected him. So that probably played a huge role in Elena's grabbing on to hatred for Katherine first. Also nice parallel of Damon being the one to "kill" both Jeremy and Matt in front of Elena while they were wearing the ring but with such drastically different motives to show his journey.

Matt has totally earned Damon's respect at this point. He's been as helpful as he could be and Damon knows it (and, yeah, I think he likes him for it). Verbal sparring is just what Damon does. If he has no use for you, he doesn't bother.

I don't believe for a second that Bonnie will make Katherine immortal. Bonnie has learned how to play the game and that is all she is doing with Katherine. She knows what Katherine wants and she'll use her to get what she wants. Bonnie is not sunshine and roses anymore.

Katherine’s Perspective and Stefan’s understanding vs. Elena’s Perspective, You got this 100% right and I didn’t even realize it until you said it.

I adore the Matt/Rebekah stuff right now. He is making her take a real good look at herself and I love that. And I think that the Rebekah that wants to live up to Matt’s expectations is also the Rebekah that could very easily be friends with Elena+humanity.

This episode did nothing to diminish my interest in a Caroline/Klaus pairing…because I knew it was Silas from the moment Joseph Morgan stepped on screen, I think mostly because of last week’s episode if nothing else (which says that it was well acted to me because something felt off even though nothing appeared to be off). I have been honest from the beginning in saying that I love their interactions. I’m not sure if I want them to be a couple, but there is a piece of me that very much likes the concept of Caroline being shown the world by Klaus who could then rediscover the beauty of the world and of humanity, etc. Maybe not in a romantic way, but in a strong bond of friendship. I don’t know. (There was also a piece of me that went “What the hell?!?!?” when she went to him for a prom dress.)

Well I think that’s all I’ve got for this one. But yes yes yes. This episode was AWESOME!

Edited at 2013-05-04 03:32 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Caroline06arabian on May 5th, 2013 05:02 am (UTC)
Regarding your thoughts on the whole Damon "killing" Matt to bring back Elena--like you said: PERFECTION. The parallels and stuff was brilliant. Also this--which I hadn't thought of and you're so absolutely right...

nice parallel of Damon being the one to "kill" both Jeremy and Matt in front of Elena while they were wearing the ring but with such drastically different motives to show his journey.

Totally. Damon is definitely that better man now because love DOES change a person, make them better. Because he's opened himself up to truly, selflessly loving Elena, he's opened himself up to caring about others (opening up to Stefan more, caring for Bonnie, Jeremy and Matt too).

Matt has totally earned Damon's respect at this point. He's been as helpful as he could be and Damon knows it (and, yeah, I think he likes him for it). Verbal sparring is just what Damon does. If he has no use for you, he doesn't bother.

YES, THIS! TOTALLY THIS!

I don't believe for a second that Bonnie will make Katherine immortal. Bonnie has learned how to play the game and that is all she is doing with Katherine. She knows what Katherine wants and she'll use her to get what she wants. Bonnie is not sunshine and roses anymore.

I agree that Bonnie isn't, and she could be playing Katherine at this point because Bonnie loved Jeremy and Katherine killed him. So there's that...

Katherine’s Perspective and Stefan’s understanding vs. Elena’s Perspective, You got this 100% right and I didn’t even realize it until you said it.

It didn't even hit me until I was writing the post out, but it's so true. There is definitely something still there and unresolved with Stefan and Katherine.

I adore the Matt/Rebekah stuff right now. He is making her take a real good look at herself and I love that. And I think that the Rebekah that wants to live up to Matt’s expectations is also the Rebekah that could very easily be friends with Elena+humanity.

SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! I hope we see Rebekah and Elena not hating on each other. And I'm kinda getting a hopeful feeling that maybe, just maybe, Matt is going to head over to New Orleans with Rebekah. Not because they're "in love" but as an adventure. I would not mind that.

I’m not sure if I want them to be a couple, but there is a piece of me that very much likes the concept of Caroline being shown the world by Klaus who could then rediscover the beauty of the world and of humanity, etc. Maybe not in a romantic way, but in a strong bond of friendship. I don’t know.

I think that's a BEAUTIFUL way of putting it and I totally see your point here.

(There was also a piece of me that went “What the hell?!?!?” when she went to him for a prom dress.)

I thought that originally but then I remembered that they agreed to be "friends-ish/civil" to each other after the previous episode. And Caroline really WOULD consider that something life-or-death that had to be taken care of.

This episode was AWESOME!

OH, YEAH!
lovetvdanddamon on May 3rd, 2013 10:59 pm (UTC)
Such an awesome episode!
I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot about Damon having Jeremy's ring. When Damon snapped Matt's neck, I gasped so loud that I scared both my chihuahuas off my lap! :) Anyway, in the few moments between the neck snap and Damon revealing the ring, my mind was reeling - grasping at any idea of how Matt would still be alive because I knew Damon would not actually kill him. My gasp at the ring reveal was almost as loud as the one at the neck snap. Kickass Damon, back and reporting for duty!!

The whole episode was great - I won't repeat most of your recap but I definitely agree with almost all of it!

I'm guessing now that Katherine is pretty much done and will be dead-dead by the end of the finale. She's been used as a plot device since her reign as the Big Bad ended mid season 2 and I don't know that they'll keep her around with everyone off to college or off to New Orleans. If they do kill her, I would love to see it be Bonnie who does it - not Elena. I think it would be cool to see Bonnie do something badass that doesn't involve dropping the veil or killing Silas. Anyway, all of this is just my guess - there's nothing but my imagination to go on with any of it.

I can't wait for the next 2 episodes!
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder08arabian on May 5th, 2013 05:07 am (UTC)
I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot about Damon having Jeremy's ring.

It was six episodes and two mini-hiatuses ago, LOL! Don't feel bad.

I'm guessing now that Katherine is pretty much done and will be dead-dead by the end of the finale.

Sigh, yeah, I think it's a definite possibility. I don't know. I've kinda had the fear that Katherine would bite it this season, so I wouldn't be surprised. On the other hand, I could see Stefan at the last second saving Katherine right as Elena is about to kill her or conversely Damon killing Katherine at the last second to save Elena which the latter would be dead!Kat so yeah. But the former? We could finally explore Stefan and Katherine. Imagine a triangle of sorts between Stefan, Katherine and Caroline where Caroline is the light while Katherine is the dark as Stefan swirls closer and closer towards wanting to turn his switch off after losing Elena? I dunno. Maybe I just don't want Katherine dead so I'm spinning other ideas?

If they do kill her, I would love to see it be Bonnie who does it - not Elena.

I can't agree with that, sorry. I don't want Katherine gone but if she's gonna go, I want it to be Elena because Katherine has caused SO MANY problems for her. Prior to Damon getting his full closure with Katherine, I wanted it to be him and then Elena, but now, if she dies... it should so be Elena.

I think it would be cool to see Bonnie do something badass that doesn't involve dropping the veil or killing Silas.

Bonnie does so much badass stuff in my book now that I think she's good there, LOL!

I can't wait for the next 2 episodes!

I KNOW!!!
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jamdourado: pic#119645665jamdourado on May 4th, 2013 03:27 am (UTC)
This episode was so good!!!

I just wanted to say that Elena is awesome, i mean, this girl is brave enough to harm herself and use it as a weapon. And she called on the Salvatores bluff. (if Damon wasn't so desperate on getting her humanity back he'd be proud of her)

I don't want Katherine to be gone, but if she has to die let it be Elena. Although this new partnership she has with Bonnie is a little suspicious.

Sheriff forbes was on this episode and almost died. Don't you ever scare me like that show!!! I don't know what is the problem of this show killing every parental figure, those kids are only eighteen.

Arabian: Elena03arabian on May 4th, 2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes, Elena is SOOO awesome. And honestly, while Damon was pissed about the tactics that Elena took because he wanted her humanity back, I think he WAS proud of her still.

Yeah, I don't want Katherine gone either, but if she's gonna go, I want it to be Elena because Katherine has caused SO MANY problems for her. Prior to Damon getting his full closure with Katherine, I wanted it to be him and then Elena, but now, if she dies... it should so be Elena.

I will not be happy if they ever kill Liz. I LOVE HER SO!
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Carolinefaith5by5_1013 on May 4th, 2013 04:33 pm (UTC)
I agree about Caroline finally being back to the Caroline I love. Tyler really did make her all about a boy, and that's not what I want for any of the characters I love.

You know I ship Klaus/Caroline, but I very much agree with the "not right now" mindset. He does need to redeem himself first.

So, yeah, Elena essentially said what I've been saying about her with the switch off. It took away everything that made Elena who she was. Yup, and that's why she wasn't even remotely peeved AT ALL with the boys for all they did to bring her humanity back. Because a humanity-less Elena is just not the Elena Gilbert that she would want to be and that (almost) everyone loves.

I appreciated that the show made that clear (even though I already knew it).

OK, really? I love this show like whoah, but the fresh make-up on Elena after the torture, Matt-death, humanity-resurrection was a tad bit ridiculous, LOL. Oh, show, it's OK, I still love you so.

LOL. That's just one of those things about TV (and movies) in general though. Some are better than others, but all of them do it. It gets kind of ridiculous sometimes, but *shrugs* Just the way it is.
Arabian: Elena09arabian on May 4th, 2013 06:33 pm (UTC)
I continued to see signs of the REAL Caroline, but whenever she'd get dragged so fully back into Tyler's story, she just became the "girl" and I hated it. It's so wonderful seeing her fully out of his sphere because she's BACK!

re: K/C, I absolutely appreciate why and how you ship them. They do have that potential, they do have eternity so it's definitely possible... but he needs redemption. Period.

I appreciated that the show made that clear

*sigh* Not clear enough apparently because some people on tumblr were saying how Elena is no doubt still upset with the boys for torturing her and that Damon owes her an apology and that she's probably going to hold it against him as she rightfully should. Seriously! And this is from Elena-stans. Who don't appear to have any clue who the hell the character is if they believe that. :rolls eyes: Did they COMPLETELY forget "Ghost World?" You know when Elena chose to torture Stefan to get his humanity back? Watched it happen, didn't like it, but was all gung-ho for the necessity of it because getting a vampire's humanity back is the most important thing? Yeah, whatever.

re: Make-up, yeah, I know it happens and I generally can ignore it, but that was one of the more egregious times they've done it, LOL! It was REALLY ridiculous. Still very small complaint in such an awesome episode.
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Cassandra Elise: hermione yaycassandra_elise on May 4th, 2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
This episode was amazing. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. For the last several weeks I was wondering if Damon or Jeremy's ghost was going to cause Elena to turn the flip back on. Never even occurred to me that it would be Matt, even though it made perfect sense! I love how awesome and proactive Damon was in this episode, and Stefan continued his reign of being useless (I love Stefan, too, but the dude SUCKS at planning!) Caroline's story was actually interesting for a change. I'm not a Klaroline or a Forewood fan, and I've definitely not been happy with her judgey attitude lately. But FINALLY, the writers gave her something different to do. I was soooo upset when it looked like Sheriff Forbes was dead. Really great acting by Candice in that scene.

I was shaking my head in half exasperation and half amusement when Elena proclaimed she was focusing all of her energy into hating Katherine. Girl might have gotten her emotions back, but she's totally channeling them the wrong way. Hopefully Damon can help her channel them the proper way. :)

TBH, I don't want Katherine to die (how would Elijah handle it?).
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on May 5th, 2013 05:14 am (UTC)
This episode was amazing. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

YES!

For the last several weeks I was wondering if Damon or Jeremy's ghost was going to cause Elena to turn the flip back on.

I was sure it would be a combination of Damon and Jeremy. Instead it was a combination of Damon and Matt. And considering the parallels to Jeremy and the neck-snap and the Gilbert ring, I guess that Jeremy did play a part in it, though. Just brilliant.

Never even occurred to me that it would be Matt, even though it made perfect sense!

Yup, makes absolutely perfect sense. They've been setting up Matt as this role for some time now.

I love how awesome and proactive Damon was in this episode, and Stefan continued his reign of being useless (I love Stefan, too, but the dude SUCKS at planning!)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Stefan. Oh, Damon! SQUEE!

Caroline's story was actually interesting for a change.

Oh, other than when she's all about Tyler, I find her interesting. Even the K/C stuff, but not in a shippy way, but rather a character way. His dark attracting her light even as she denies it.

Really great acting by Candice in that scene.

She's soooo good.

I was shaking my head in half exasperation and half amusement when Elena proclaimed she was focusing all of her energy into hating Katherine. Girl might have gotten her emotions back, but she's totally channeling them the wrong way.

I actually think it's the PERFECT way to channel them. First of all, she needed something not lovey-dovey soft. I think that would have wound up sending her on another tailspin of emotional depths leading to another breakdown because she needs to be hard right now and hatred is hard. Plus, remember in "Because The Night" Elena mentioned that Damon had to have emotions to do what he did to Lexi in the 70's and Damon basically said that he figured hate was the first emotion he got back and it opened the door. Well, what happened here with Elena? Her first real emotion coming back that focused her? Hate. Just like Damon. Two peas in a pod, I tell ya. :) So, yeah, it made perfect sense to me.

TBH, I don't want Katherine to die (how would Elijah handle it?).

I KNOW! :(
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on May 5th, 2013 03:53 pm (UTC)
Elena was pretty much in complete control emotionally the entire time. And I love how key aspects of Elena's personality are still shining through, namely her stubborn bad-assery and her smarts applied smartly.

The haters can go suck it, Elena is a goddamned BAMF. Stefan can blather all he wants about Elena’s compassion, her key personality tract is that she’s got balls and laser-focus on her goals: human!Elena is a-ok with gutstabbing herself to get to Elijah, vampire!Elena will hurl herself to a fiery almost-death to make clear who’s the boss.

With Stefan, her little digs were delivered slyly. […] when it came to Damon her digs were delivered in anger and pain before she did manage to get control of herself

Totally agree. Stefan she wanted to needle, Damon she wanted to fucking emotionally eviscerate. Just look at her face: impassible with Stefan, downright sneering with Damon.

because of how the sire bond and all of its implications has so completely messed with Damon's headspace (especially when it comes to Elena), he's gone along with Stefan.

Yep. For all everyone was handwringing about Elena, the one the Sire Bond fucked up is Damon. He believed that she loved him and then it turned out it was all false, that it was something he’d conjured up himself and that Elena was screwed one more time by the universe via him… Well, clearly that meant he didn’t know shit and for Elena’s own good he should stop making decisions lest he fucks her up some more. The problem (beside the sketchiness of the bond itself) is that assuming Stefan is more knowledgeable about Elena is a horrible idea, mostly because Stefan knows the Elena living in his mind way better than the actual person. Also, Stefan can’t plan for shit.

As he told Elena later, he was done playing. He was doing things his way and getting shit done. Cuz that's what Damon Fucking Salvatore does.

Man, this. So fucking much this. It should be a hotline: “You want shit done? Call Damon Salvatore!” Seriously, it’s amazing: the moment Damon gets in charge, five minutes later Elena is back to herself.

Corralled Matt (who, of course, obeyed right away because, yeah, Damon has that boy trained)
To be honest, I’d say Damon has all of them pretty trained, to a certain extent. When Damon gets a certain tone of voice, you shut up and get with the program.

She forgot a key reason she and Damon are so good together. In enough ways, the two of them are very much alike and that includes... they don't bluff when those they love are on the line.

Again, this. It’s another classic blunder, like “Don’t get involved in lad wars in Asia”: don’t play chicken with Damon Salvatore or Elena Gilbert when it’s about people they love.

I also loved how her humanity was brought back because of how beautifully it mirrored when she lost her humanity.

The parallels! I didn’t notice about the music, but I did notice that both scenes were all about Damon and Elena, the focus was all on them and if in 4x15 it could have been construed about invoking the Sire Bond, here it was all about pure and simple connection.

Elena is on fire. Stefan tries to reach for her with his hands--which would burn him as well. Damon uses the fire extinguisher and the force of the foam to get her out of the sun and safe.

That was sorta ridiculous: really, Stefan, I know you have all sorts of White Knight fantasies going on but time and place. Seriously, Stefan is a Romantic all about Grand Dramatic Gestures, Damon is Pragmatic and about What Gets Results.


Arabian: Damon15arabian on May 6th, 2013 05:39 am (UTC)
The haters can go suck it, Elena is a goddamned BAMF.

I literally cheered when I read this line! LOL!

Stefan she wanted to needle, Damon she wanted to fucking emotionally eviscerate. Just look at her face: impassible with Stefan, downright sneering with Damon.

Absolutely. Stefan just doesn't get under skin at all, even when she had her flip switched, Damon did. Uh huh.

For all everyone was handwringing about Elena, the one the Sire Bond fucked up is Damon.

Yes, yes, yes. All of this so hard. I can't imagine how this possibly could not come into play in the next few episodes. I just don't know. Now they *might* save the sirebond not being real until next season, but I still don't see how whenever it IS dealt with, the Damon-side of it isn't explored. Because it's so very key.

The problem is that assuming Stefan is more knowledgeable about Elena is a horrible idea, mostly because Stefan knows the Elena living in his mind way better than the actual person. Also, Stefan can’t plan for shit.

This and this. Especially the former (OK, the latter is pretty spot-on too, LOL!). Seriously, though, yeah, Stefan just doesn't really know who Elena is and he especially doesn't know how she began to grow up and find herself outside of her grief and guilt while he was gone. Those changes he attributed to her being a vampire had to do with how she changed when he went away.

It should be a hotline: “You want shit done? Call Damon Salvatore!” Seriously, it’s amazing: the moment Damon gets in charge, five minutes later Elena is back to herself.

YES! (FIST PUMP OF VICTORY!)

To be honest, I’d say Damon has all of them pretty trained, to a certain extent. When Damon gets a certain tone of voice, you shut up and get with the program.

True, but you know I love me my Matt and Damon! :)

The parallels!

INSANELY AWESOME! I LOVE THIS SHOW AND THEIR LOVE OF PARALLELS AND HOW BRILLIANTLY THEY USE THEM!

I didn’t notice about the music

I didn't at first. When I rewatched it, I noticed how the music kinda faded into this almost piercing silence after the swell of music and I had LOVED that in 4.15. So I thought... hmm. And I went and compared the two and realized, yup, same freaking music. (GAWD! I LOVE THIS SHOW!)

I did notice that both scenes were all about Damon and Elena, the focus was all on them and if in 4x15 it could have been construed about invoking the Sire Bond, here it was all about pure and simple connection.

Right, which makes me believe (since again I don't buy the sire bond) that the 4.15 scene was all about their connection too!

really, Stefan, I know you have all sorts of White Knight fantasies going on but time and place. Seriously, Stefan is a Romantic all about Grand Dramatic Gestures, Damon is Pragmatic and about What Gets Results.

Oh, Stefan. :Shakes head:
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on May 5th, 2013 03:54 pm (UTC)
As Stefan was imploring her to hold onto the one thing that would make her want to live, she locked gazes with him and began to calm down and without words, you could see that Damon immediately thought that Elena was clinging to Stefan and their love.

TBH, I think Damon was not the only one. Stefan can say whatever he wants, a part of him was totally hoping she was holding on their Epic Love. Maybe not consciously, but it was. Damon, on the other hand, was 100% thinking that.

when every single character says something, it's pretty much a given that the opposite will happen.

Leaving aside the fact that TVD writers are a bunch of evil bastards, not even they can screw with basics tenets of storytelling like this. Everyone and their goldfish is rhapsodizing Greek Chorus-style at Damon that the minute Elena is back in possession of her free will she will run back to Stefan, so where would the drama be in that happening? It would suck even a series finale.

So Elena is planning on killing Katherine--just as Katherine is getting the promise of invulnerable immortality

First of all, why are people, both in-show and in the fandom so surprised at Elena? Katherine pointed Klaus to Mystic Fall with all the shit that came with him. Katherine murdered Jeremy for kicks. Why the hell would Elena not want to kill her? Because fandom loves her? Second, I seriously hope Bonnie is not planning on keeping her promise. Because it would not only be idiotic to make Katherine of all people uber-immortal, but because it would be a major travesty that Bonnie of all people would do that to the person who killed Jeremy.

Damon's got his closure when it comes to Katherine. "I love Elena. I despise you," he said with a sweet smile.

Damon is positively chill about his love life past and present. Like, no dissembling, no defensiveness, nothing but tranquil sincerity. His heart is about to make like the Titanic? Probably, but if there’s someone who knows how to be constant in love, it’s Damon.
Arabian: Elena07arabian on May 6th, 2013 05:40 am (UTC)
TBH, I think Damon was not the only one. Stefan can say whatever he wants, a part of him was totally hoping she was holding on their Epic Love. Maybe not consciously, but it was. Damon, on the other hand, was 100% thinking that.

Oh, yeah. The fact that Stefan got her the drink and was being more hands-on and confident with her, he totally was thinking it too.

Leaving aside the fact that TVD writers are a bunch of evil bastards

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

not even they can screw with basics tenets of storytelling like this.

Exactly.

Everyone and their goldfish is rhapsodizing Greek Chorus-style at Damon that the minute Elena is back in possession of her free will she will run back to Stefan, so where would the drama be in that happening? It would suck even a series finale.

Right. And if she does choose Stefan and do as everyone says I don't see how Damon and Elena EVER happen then. If she doesn't love him NOW after everything, and goes with Stefan AFTER telling him she is not in love with him, yeah, it just ain't gonna happen. So I don't know, I don't see how it's Stefan this time.

First of all, why are people, both in-show and in the fandom so surprised at Elena?

Fandom because the evil bitch that is Katherine (and I say this with love) is TEH AWESOME while Elena is whiny, clingy and sucky. (Whatever.) In the show, well, we've only had Damon and Stefan reacting and I think that was partly because they were both hung up on the idea that Elena was all connecting to her and Stefan's "epic" twu wuv so it threw them off completely when she said it was hate that was her focus.

Katherine pointed Klaus to Mystic Fall with all the shit that came with him. Katherine murdered Jeremy for kicks. Why the hell would Elena not want to kill her? Because fandom loves her?

Yeah, that's where fandom is coming from (rolls eyes), but it makes perfect sense for Elena.

Second, I seriously hope Bonnie is not planning on keeping her promise. Because it would not only be idiotic to make Katherine of all people uber-immortal, but because it would be a major travesty that Bonnie of all people would do that to the person who killed Jeremy.

That's why I think she's probably lying to her. Bonnie loved Jeremy. Oh, Katherine, beware a witch with a broken heart and vengeance on her mind.

Damon is positively chill about his love life past and present. Like, no dissembling, no defensiveness, nothing but tranquil sincerity. His heart is about to make like the Titanic? Probably, but if there’s someone who knows how to be constant in love, it’s Damon.

Absofuckinglutely!
(Anonymous) on May 9th, 2013 11:06 am (UTC)
OK, they needed this ep, because I was at my wit's end with emotionless Elena. The first part of the ep frustrated me because I've had my fill of "every character drops everything they're doing to help Elena" stories. It's been so long since human Elena that it's not something I can remember and say "Oh yes, because she always dropped everything for them." I remember she liked to volunteer herself to be sacrificed a great deal, so perhaps that counts.

I don't mean to be cynical, but I feel like emotionless Elena went on about two eps too long. I know they had to get her to do all sorts of horrible things, but the only really awful things she did, IMO, is kill the waitress and try to kill her friends (making the cheerleading thing and the trip to see Katherine as emotionless!Elena sort of a waste of storytelling time). To me, this is a plot point pre-S4 TVD of old would've been done with in half the time -- back when they blew through story. IDK, it just felt like this season has dragged. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised by the last two eps. :)

But I really did like the scene when Damon showed off his big brass ones. ;) That was great TV, and I cheered at someone FINALLY calling Elena out on all her crap (yay, Damon!!! LoVe means having to say "If you don't shape up, I'll kill your oldest friend!" ;) Also VERY happy they did not kill Liz Forbes, because one of the things that has bothered me about TVD this year is the killing of family members. Everybody used to belong to somebody, and now so many of them are orphans -- which is fine, but I think the show has lost something for it. I realize they're adults, but I think it grounded the show to have these supernatural creatures be able to go home and just be daughters and sons, brothers and sisters. (and the family they have added, i.e., Bonnie's -- hasn't helped ground her AT ALL).

And I don't buy Silas as a villain. At all. I'm sick of Silas Kabuki Theater -- it's taken away all dramatic tension from any remotely antagonistic scene, because I think it was a device used too often. Again, something that could've benefitted from 50% fewer eps than it got. It was super effective in the first ep with Klaus, but I just don't think it worked as a storytelling device like AlariKlaus, dark!Alaric or even dark!Stefan did. The terror is in seeing a nice person act against their nature, but when Silas can be anyone, then anyone is Silas. I'm glad he's got sort of a face now (I guess), but IDK, just didn't work for me, dawg. [/Randy Jackson] ;p

You know me -- I critique because I love -- and perhaps it was seeing The Originals last week, but it reminded me how TVD used to be able to do dark, family-centric, whirlwind storytelling with jaw-dropping twists at an accelerated pace, and I miss that. Maybe now that Elena has her humanity back, the show will get its groove back for me. ;)

-EO/rg :)
Arabian: Elena07arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:11 am (UTC)
Part 1 --

You knew I was gonna disagree about the lengthElena emotionless thing, right? LOL! And here I go! Look at the sequence of events --

1. First we see that Elena doesn't care, can't be controlled, isn't sired to Damon (via the cheerleading storyline).
2. We then get Damon and Elena in NY, getting that glimpse of how Elena (despite her flip switched) still reacts to Damon in a way she doesn't with anyone else.
3. The Katherine trip wasn't just about Elena, but accomplished a bunch of different things... that wouldn't have happened without Elena being emotionless.
- Bringing Elijah back into the picture
- Allowing viewers to see Damon hesitate and admit that he doesn't want Elena to have the cure
- Considering where Elena's frame of mind was prior to her slip being switched about the cure, her telling Damon she didn't want the cure anymore would have made him believe her instead of going by what Stefan was telling him
- It also showed Elena that the boys (BOTH Damon and Stefan) were not going to listen to her, were going to keep playing her and THAT is what pushed her into doing the awful thing.
- Finally, Damon and that hesitation about the cure (which again wouldn't have happened without emotionless) was key to what happened with Damon being in possession of the cure leading to the finale at the end of episode 22.
- In addition, if we couldn't see the awful that was Elena, but knew that the real, empathetic Elena was still there in somewhere, we wouldn't have had that insight into Katherine.
- Finally, seeing Elena like this, it gave Stefan enough of a break to begin to realize he was ready to back off.

So that episode got a lot of character pieces into play and none of it would have happened without Elena being emotionless.

4. The prom episode which was HUGE because we had the first ep with her switch turned off where she tried to kill Caroline. Now almost a month later, she tried to kill Bonnie. This was what was necessary to show the gang that they had to go to extremes because she was NOT getting any better. Had we not had episodes 16 and 18 (17 was more about Damon and Damon/Elena) then we wouldn't have had enough of a push to explain why the gang would go to torture.

5. A whole month hiatus, then "The Originals" then we got to Elena's emotions breaking through. So while it felt like a longer time, (with the month break and episode 20), it was only 4 episodes really and all of it was leading up to not just the gang torturing her, but drops bits and pieces of Damon and his insecurities as to why he's following Stefan's lead. So to me it was all pretty dang important and set up episode 22 and 23.

Also VERY happy they did not kill Liz Forbes, because one of the things that has bothered me about TVD this year is the killing of family members.

To be fair, they only killed Carol and Jeremy this year. And Jeremy was part of their gang, not one of the outer family. Last year, they did kill off Caroline's dad and Bonnie's mom, but both were new characters and technically Abby is still around. Not to mention getting rid of Ric too. So last year was actually a lot worse for that.

TBC
(no subject) - arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:11 am (UTC) (Expand)
Florencia: DE (I Love You) (4x10)florencia7 on May 9th, 2013 09:42 pm (UTC)
I LOVE (in this order):

a) YOU
b) your posts
c) your enthusiasm for the show
d) the show

I agree/love every word of this post ♥ ♥ ♥

Is it just me or it truly would be epic justice if Elena actually killed Katherine? lol I'm actually kind of torn here because while it is very appealing for Katherine to become that untouchable immortal being, I also can't help finding it pretty spectacular for Elena to end up killing someone who more or less literally/directly/permanently killed Damon, Jeremy, Stefan and Caroline.

Also, I found it interesting that with her switch off Elena was most mean (well, "mean" is probably an understatement since she tried to kill them lol) to Caroline and Bonnie - both said to have (as stated out loud for the record in 4x08) "issues" with Damon. Real, all-forgiving Elena would probably never confront them (in 4x08 she merely asked them to leave before, prompted by them, she tried to defend HER feelings, not discuss theirs). And now Elena focused all of her (negative) emotions on Katherine (not Klaus or Silas)...

Really, Klaus, escaping into a new TV show without killing Tyler first? Not cool, not cool at all LOL

I actually think Bonnie did forgive Elena and the only reason why she told Caroline she didn't was because she was busy with all the Silas and Katherine related stuff and needed a convincing reason not to join Caroline at the Boarding House... maybe?

I loved when Elena said that Stefan had told her to focus on one thing and she focused on hate - the way in which Damon said "I don't think that's what he meant" was hilarious.

It was such an awesome episode! I totally loved it.
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)01arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:14 am (UTC)
Is it just me or it truly would be epic justice if Elena actually killed Katherine?

Yup, it truly would.

Very interesting point about how Elena was mean to the people who didn't respect her choices. Uh huh.

Really, Klaus, escaping into a new TV show without killing Tyler first? Not cool, not cool at all LOL

I know, right?!?!?!?!?

I actually think Bonnie did forgive Elena

As I said in the next episode write-up, you were totally right. ;)

the way in which Damon said "I don't think that's what he meant" was hilarious.

I ♥ Damon so hard. :D


It was such an awesome episode! I totally loved it.


AGREED!