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01 February 2013 @ 07:11 am
4.12 - 'A View To A Kill' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Yay, new Vampire Diaries episode! So thoughts behind the cut.

Let's start by talking about Stefan. The thing with him is that he's so good at lying that I don't know when to trust him. How he acted with Rebekah prior to their last scene was so sweet and wonderful, very similar to how he acted when with Elena, when he was "the perfect boyfriend." But he was lying to Rebekah. He was using her, stalling her, playing her. And likewise with Elena, as sweet and wonderful as he appeared, so much of their time together was filled with Stefan lying to her or at the least misrepresenting so many things. Therefore, it's very hard to trust him. So how he acted after she gave him with the dagger, well, I genuinely don't know if he was moved by Rebekah's words, or if that was Stefan still playing her. Likewise, I don't know if that was Stefan being honest with her in their final scene or him figuring that Rebekah on their side was better since she could be of help. I want to believe he was being honest, but the fact that he equated getting the cure for her alongside getting it for Elena makes me question him. And, of course, throughout the episode we got all these little hints and signs that Stefan is still delusional, and that not-so-nice streak came through as well. Stefan is a good guy, but he is being pretty shady right now.

The delusion was when he talked with such glowing, fond remembrance of Lexi, and the nastiness related to Damon. That Stefan is still seeing Lexi through such rose-colored glasses is terrible. She basically tortured him and then promised him relief by stopping the torture, all in the name of fixing him which clearly did not work at all. And, on top of that, we got the hint in "The Dinner Party," but "We'll Always Have Bourbon Street" really brought it home. I said then and I still maintain it, it wasn't Katherine Pierce that drove this horrible centuries old wedge between the brothers. Nope, it's Lexi. And until Stefan sees that, he's never going to accept that all she did for him (good intentions or not) completely fucked him over and the only way he can get better is to essentially denounce every single thing she told him.

The not-so-nice streak showed up twice. The first was when he casually told Klaus (!), hey, torture my brother if he annoys you. Again, Stefan told KLAUS to torture Damon if he annoyed him. Really, Stefan? I mean, really?! Of course, Damon is well acquainted with this side of his brother and just takes it in stride, and Klaus just doesn't give a fuck. However, the second instance brought some interesting reactions to the forefront. Anyone who's been paying attention can tell that (a) Damon is NOT happy about the sire bond, and (b) that Damon is NOT using the sire bond, not really. As far as we've seen, he's used it twice: the first was to deny Elena what she wanted (sending her away from him), and the second was to give in to what she wanted (letting her come back to him). And that's it. So for Stefan to cruelly suggest that Damon use the sire bond to control Elena was a pretty damn low blow. (And totally deserving of Damon punching Stefan right in the kisser.) But what I didn't notice until my rewatch was not only Elena, but Bonnie's reaction as well. Look at their faces here:

jerk-punch

Bonnie's expression all but says 'low blow, dude,' while Elena look is a combination of disillusionment and 'how dare you?' I found it interesting that there was so much talk about Stefan and Elena's "epic" love from Klaus and hinted at through comments here and there and reactions from Stefan, Rebekah and Damon. It's obvious that all of those players feel that once Elena gets the cure it's back to default factory Stefan-settings for Elena. Aside from the fact that I'm still totally not convinced there is a sire bond, things like this moment with Elena witnessing this side of Stefan (and his complete willingness to forget everything about her to ease his own pain) I believe are working to show Elena that the Stefan she fell in love with wasn't quite real. Instead, he was sweet and wonderful, the perfect boyfriend that he wanted her to see, and not the complete Stefan. I say "complete," because I genuinely do believe that the sweet and wonderful is a part of Stefan. I believe he is a good guy at heart. I just also believe that he has a dark side that Elena was blinded to by Stefan and her own refusal to question his actions and the discrepancies in his storytelling and actions. So, yeah, interesting.

Also interesting was how they placed Matt in that final scene at the school with Stefan and Rebekah. Matt being there to witness Rebekah give up the dagger, and then admit what she wants (a normal human life) is a hopeful sign (to me at least) that we may be still heading somewhere on that path with Matt and Rebekah. I'm almost beginning to allow myself to hope that if anyone is going to get that cure, it will be Rebekah and she'll make it through this alive, and that Matt will take her to the prom by season's end. This episode certainly seemed like a turning point for Rebekah's character, I thought. She trusted our "good guys," and did the "right" thing by them. She showed vulnerability and openness and two of our main characters witnessed it, and then Stefan even defended her to the others. So, I'm almost optimistic here. I really hope she isn't dead by season's end instead.

Speaking of our "good guys," yeah, they're really, really not. Stefan, Damon, Caroline, Tyler, Elena and Abby are all vampires -- supposedly "good" vampires -- so they are all very aware that good vampires who don't kill, aren't the "bad guys" are possible and almost assuredly out there. Yet, it didn't appear to cross anyone's mind that by killing Kol, they would kill bunches and bunches of potentially "good" vampires. Not even our "heroine," who was practically gleeful when they succeeded. And it doesn't bother me because I don't even remotely think of actual, real-life morals when watching this show because all of our heroes are so not heroes, heck they don't even earn the anti-hero title. They kill, let others die, injure by feeding and then erase innocent minds. They cause mayhem and harm galore, keep people in the dark to protect their secrets never mind that it leads to very bad, no good things on a regular basis. And they have a very tribal mentality. It really is all about their group, and pretty much everyone else is collateral damage. Damon is just the only one who's honest about it.

Even if he's still kinda clueless about the whole Stefan/Elena thing. I mentioned above that it's pretty obvious that several of them think that Stefan/Elena are the end result of the cure, and Damon is one of them. He didn't say in words as such to Klaus, but his expression said it all. And just like last week where Damon said that Stefan resisted the compulsion, we got Klaus saying the same thing this week... and it sucks! Because it's such resistance revisionism. Of course it makes sense that Damon would believe this because the only witnesses to it were Stefan, Elena and Klaus, and all there are going to paint Stefan in the bestest light in that situation at that time. But we know differently. Stefan was frantic, pacing, staring at that clock. He did tell Elena to run when the clock ran out, but he was chasing after her, fighting it every step of the way, but still chasing after her. The stress of resisting turned him into a staggering, broken mess and he had to stake himself to keep from going after her. And when Klaus looked him right in the eye and compelled him to turn it off, he did.

Compare that to Damon. When Kol compelled Damon, he told him (and I quote): "You're going to find Jeremy Gilbert and when you do, you're going to kill him." Last week, I noted how Damon was in control even as he was stalking Jeremy. He calmly kept telling him to get away, and even when facing him, told Jeremy to kill him... multiple times. Without staggering around like a drunk on a bender, without crying and forcing himself to injure himself (running into heavy objects, staking himself) to stop. And this week, it was even more obvious how much better Damon's ability to resist compulsion is. The compulsion included FINDING Jeremy. Damon calmly sat in that basement cell without trying to frantically escape to find and kill Jeremy as he'd been compelled. He had enough control to make himself calmly stay away from Jeremy with just a little resistance (the locked door, weakened body). Even Klaus (the great Stefan-fanboy) commented how he'd expected Damon to be planning some great derring-do escape attempt. But nope... because, unlike Stefan, Damon is a helluva lot better at resisting the compulsion despite what Klaus says and Damon believes.

Of course that's not the only thing Damon mistakenly believes. While I do think he was almost amused by Klaus' attempts to figure out how to make Caroline forgive him via the Damon/Elena strategy and wouldn't even remotely think of sharing the reality of his relationship with her with Klaus, I do believe that he mostly believed what he meant. He's the bad guy, but Elena forgives him because he does bad things for good reasons. The thing is that it doesn't quite track because Damon has done a lot of bad things for no good reason. Elena forgives him (and loves him) only in part because he more often than not now does bad things for good reasons (being the bad guy to get things done), but it's mostly because of who he is when he's *not* doing bad things. They never had the chance to talk about their feelings, about what she feels for him and why she does after they got together because the sire bond stuff came up. So until that is resolved, Damon will continue to believe that the main reason she wants to be with him is because of that bond.

So let's get to resolving that bond issue, folks!

Alright, some randoms (and some will be a tad lengthier than usual) --

_ Yeah, I could totally have ended that gif above with Elena and Bonnie's reaction, but I'm not gonna lie, I get petty joy out of seeing Damon punch Stefan over and over again because, man, was that a deserved punch. Low blow, Stefan!

- I love what they're doing with Bonnie, having her darker, stronger powers emerge and her actions being directed by three very real and emotional places: love and responsibility, teenage rebellion and betrayal. The first is obviously something she feels for her friends and taking care of the town. The second is derived from the fact that she's had distant, strained relationships with both parents and the fact that now when she's nearly 18, has practically been taking care of herself for a year now without their guidance and NOW they're coming in and trying to decide things for her? Oh, hell no! is such a brilliant, emotional push with which to turn her onto that darker path. Lastly, betrayal. I loved when Bonnie contemptuously told Abby that she was having nothing to do with the spirits, keeping firm with her avowal after they used her for the last time. Great, great Bonnie stuff building here and I'm loving it.

Speaking of taking care of the town, I've commented in the past how Damon and Bonnie are the only two of the group who get shit done (although, Elena and Jeremy SO stepped up to the plate tonight!). On that note, I found it interesting that Bonnie has now become the second member of their little group who has explicitly stated that she's looking out for the town (as Damon has done in the past).

- And speaking of Elena and Jeremy stepping up to the plate. Oh my God, Elena's plan worked! AND it was executed pretty much in full by her and Jeremy! GO ELENA! (And Jeremy!) I was quite, quite impressed with her mental and physical skills shining in this episode. I love seeing bad-ass Elena because she's so freaking bad-ass. See some exhibits:

EBA1   EBA2
EBA3   EBA4

And I'm so glad that plan worked because, I'm sorry, but Nathanial Buzolic is just not a strong actor, ya'll. Every line was delivered like 'I am saying a line of dialogue from a script.' It was very unnatural sounding, so I'm glad he's gone and the only Originals we're left with are all really, really good actors!

- Such as Joseph Morgan who just hit it out of the park like nobody's business again. The way he played that scene between Klaus and Damon where at first it played like he was taunting Damon about Elena before he finally added that note of vulnerability revealing that he wanted to know how Elena could forgive Damon because he wanted Caroline to forgive him. Well, well played. As was his tantrum on the porch -- and whoah! that Klaus was planning on killing all of them after they got the cure! -- as well as the freak-out rage when trapped by Bonnie's magic. My favorite part though was when he first saw his dead brother and then looked at Elena. Going from devastation at seeing Kol to pure hatred as he looked at Elena in a flash was brilliant.

klausseeskol

- Also brilliant (as always) was every moment with Rebekah. I honestly believe that Claire Holt is the strongest actor on this show ever. She's amazing, amazing, amazing. I just adore her to absolute bits, and I adore, adore, adore Rebekah. And I loved that she wasn't stupid enough to not realize that Stefan was playing her, that he wanted the dagger. I love small moments like that on the show where we aren't hit over the head with the intelligence of the characters (and writer Rebecca Sonnenshine does those types of moments so beautifully), but it plays out naturally. *sigh* Even if Stefan was playing her, gosh darn't, they're so pretty! And sparkly and have chemistry and I want him to not be playing her! I mean, look at the pretty dancing! But, but, but... I still do totally love my Matt and Rebekah. Again, the fact that Matt heard that confession from Rebekah had to mean something, right?!

srdancing   mwatchsr


- Hmm, speaking of that dancing, so is Elena a bad dancer or something? Stefan danced with Rebekah in the 30's without complaint, asked her to dance here without a qualm, but when it comes to Elena -- even when he's trying to woo himself back into her good graces -- he makes her beg him to dance. The only time he didn't was when he was drunk on booze and blood. So, seriously, does Stefan just think Elena's a really bad dancer?

- And so the inexplicable Kennett ship dies.

- Once again, no Tyler or Caroline and I didn't miss either. *sigh* Man, Tyler really has made Caroline less interesting to me. Although, I am still quite curious to see her reaction to Stefan and Rebekah.

- Erm, where was Matt in the final scene? He was at the high school and then instead of finding out the results of their plan with the others, he just decided to... go home? (Maybe to think about Rebekah and how pretty she looked in her 80's garb? Cuz she totes did!)

- LOVED the Katherine shout-out, and especially it coming from Jeremy. Hmm, what did he think of her during that day or two they spent together?!

- Oy vey! Jeremy screaming and then ripping off his shirt? Height of cheese, dudes. I legit laughed. And I legit laugh every time I watch it and I am most definitely laughing at it. I mean, come on! But, hey, Shirtless!Jeremy!

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- Oh, Stefan, speed-dressing out of a girl's bed. And hee! I love little things like that showing the practical benefits of vampirism in the real world! Hah!

- Another hah! was Matt's thumbs up to Elena when she said the boys should put the weapons away. Hee!

- And one more -- Bonnie wondering if Caroline would notice there were 89 balloons instead of 99 and Elena saying that, yeah, being Caroline, she probably would.

- Speaking of 80's references, I loved all of Stefan's movie references and the songs that played... especially The Cure.

- Finally, we didn't get much Damon/Elena-ness (again!), but Elena's smile upon seeing him and that sweet, sweet hug were beautiful moments that I loved. :)

eseesd   de-embrace

So, there we have it. Another new episode and this season continues to be A-W-E-S-O-M-E! Next week.. into the wild!
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on February 1st, 2013 12:45 pm (UTC)
Great recap,thanks! And I totally agree with you on everything you said, especially comparing the compulsion of Damon and Stefan.. good points. Yeah, Matt and Rebekah.... Not missing Caroline and Tyler, either... Please more badass-Elena...!
One question though. Erm, I probably have to rewatch, but the bottle of water Stefan gave Damon contained vervain, right? I mean Damon didn't know of the plan and couldn't have told Klaus anything, but because of the vervain he didn't have to stay in the basement, thus not following Klaus' order. Now ... did Stefan know of the vervain or was that purely coincidental? What do you think?
Arabian: Damon&Stefan03arabian on February 1st, 2013 01:10 pm (UTC)
Yes, Damon didn't know anything about the plan, that he told Klaus the truth about, but because of the vervain-water he could leave the cell once the compulsion from Kol was broken. No, I don't think Stefan knew because we would have found out about him finding out, I'm sure.
bangel_4e: katebangel_4e on February 1st, 2013 01:27 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed this so much....we have very similar thoughts that I'm going to talk about now but BEFORE...that hug seriously makes my heart warm...I was almost resigned to no Delena but this just made me smile..and smile..and smile. It's such a sweet hug, filled with reassurance and love. Awww. I just...I love Elena's face in those gifs...This could become my favorite hug betweent them :)

Now..

So for Stefan to cruelly suggest that Damon use the sire bond to control Elena was a pretty damn low blow.
Stefan did a pretty dick move. I was like "REALLY??"...when did he take advantage of that?? -.-
So, the punch was very much deserved and I also liked Bonnie and mostly Elena's reaction.
Thank God for Jeremy stripping naked :)

Also interesting was how they placed Matt in that final scene at the school with Stefan and Rebekah. Matt being there to witness Rebekah give up the dagger, and then admit what she wants (a normal human life) is a hopeful sign (to me at least) that we may be still heading somewhere on that path with Matt and Rebekah

I noticed that too though I didn't immediately linked to Matt/Rebekkah romance...but hey, I'd love to see them together somehow. It really was a small little touch, to let him overhear that. This show does little details so well...almost too well, I'm not sure everyone notice them :)


And it doesn't bother me because I don't even remotely think of actual, real-life morals when watching this show because all of our heroes are so not heroes, heck they don't even earn the anti-hero title.
THIS.SO.MANY.TIMES. I keep reading people calling Damon out cause he's a rapist and pretty much remember EVERYONE has done horrible things and some exactly like Damon (Stefan). You just can't bring rl morals to spnt shows. I just made a rant on my page cause of this.

The thing is that it doesn't quite track because Damon has done a lot of bad things for no good reason
My own thoughts while Damon blurted that out...he did so many things just cause or cause he was out of control. So, I have no idea why he would say that...And I agree with you about why Elena forgave him. Absolutely.

I also agree about the compulsion comparison, Rebekkah (I usually went from indifference to tolerance with her but lately I really like her), the Katherine shout-out and Bonnie's badass moments...I really can't stand her but I gotta say, I liked her in this episode.

The only thing we don't agree about is Lexi. I liked Lexi and what she gave to Stefan....measures can be cruel but they worked for them in the past.
She let him feel his humanity...and in a way, I think Elena is Damon's Lexi...she believes the best in him. If Damon had "a" Lexi in his life (not really helping him with blood but with feelings), he wouldn't have done a lot of bad stuff...but Damon had no one by his side in 145 years.
Arabian: Elena11arabian on February 2nd, 2013 06:54 pm (UTC)
It really was a small little touch, to let him overhear that. This show does little details so well...almost too well, I'm not sure everyone notice them :)

I don't know it was that small, I mean, they made a point of focusing on Matt's reaction a few times, and in the gif I put up, the focus isn't even on Stefan and Rebekah -- they're the long shot -- it's on Matt. So we'll see.

EVERYONE has done horrible things

Yup, all of them. Every single one.

Oh, it hurts reading you compare Elena to Lexi. She treated Damon HORRIBLY and kept Damon and Stefan apart, and she tortured Stefan. Good intentions or not, and I never denied she had good intentions, she completely fucked Stefan over... and ALWAYS treated Damon like absolute garbage. Loathe her so much.
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anna_geminianna_gemini on February 1st, 2013 01:49 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, English is not my mother language, so I can't express correctly all my thoughts, but, you should knew - I love your postings about TVD, and read them with feeling that you read my mind)
I agree with every word. Thank you :-)
Arabian: Damon04arabian on February 2nd, 2013 01:20 am (UTC)
Thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoy reading my ramblings about the show. :)
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Arabian: Damon & Elena22arabian on February 2nd, 2013 07:59 pm (UTC)
I never mind long comments considering how long my posts generally are, LOL!

I find him very hard to trust because he is a fantastic liar

Yup, yup, yup. It's because he lies so dang well to himself that makes him such a great liar overall.

Also, the Stefan/Elena ''epic'' love just feels like lip service at this point to make that fandom happy, have something to hold onto. But I completely buy that Damon and the other two believe once they have the cure, it will always be Stefan. I just want her to prove them wrong.

Oh, I absolutely agree with that. Definitely all around.

What do you think will happen after the cure is found? Think it will be dragged out to the end of the season?

I have no clue. I really don't know. I odn't know if the sire bond thing will be over by this batch of episodes, if the cure will come into play... they have me completely flummoxed. I just have no clue.
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Arabian: Ian & Nina06arabian on February 2nd, 2013 08:00 pm (UTC)
What do you mean Damon mostly believed what he meant? What do you think the rest of him believes?

Damon mostly believes that, yeah, Elena will go back to Stefan once she gets the cure.
You mentioned this tribal mentality thing once before, and it fascinates me because I love morally ambiguous characters and the idea of after everything they've been through what matters is protecting the people within their inner circle.

It really is clearly where they are at this point. And after we had that stuff with Chris the Hybrid and Tyler in 4.06, I don't see how it's not obvious to everyone (ie.viewers).

I'm glad he revealed he would have murdered them all once they found the cure.

That was surprising to me for sure.

I like that everyone sort of knows it but Damon is the only one willing to be honest about it. I guess they don't want to seem callous.

Agreed.
eolivet on February 1st, 2013 05:06 pm (UTC)
Really enjoyed this ep, too -- two in a row for me! :D

I thought of you when Elena's plan actually sorta worked -- I was actually pretty disturbed by it, though. I have to wonder if we're meant to draw a contrast between human and vamp Elena. IIRC, human Elena was really upset about ending an Original's life, because it killed so many "innocent" vampires. Now that Elena is one of them, that morality seems to be a little less black and white? It's just interesting within the framework of the show how human life is becoming devalued as more of its protagonists become vampires. It's one reason I feel like Elena (or some other vampire) has to be turned back into a human, because the supernatural :: normal human ratio is more unbalanced than ever. Elena was the loyal opposition to the general supernatural plan of "Let's kill for the greater good." Someone needs to be the loyal opposition now.

Perhaps that will be Rebekah. I agree that I loved that scene with her and Stefan. She also did a really good job at communicating how she didn't want to care, but did anyway.

(From a TV viewer perspective, I did love Kol's death -- I was SHOCKED. It was cool to be blown away with surprise again. :D )

(Random, but I think it's hilarious all the Originals are supposed to be old world European, and the actors who play/ed Kol and Rebekah were from Australia, Elijah is from New Zealand and Klaus is from Wales. An accent is an accent is an accent? :p )

Interesting how they're already laying the groundwork for the Originals spinoff (including how they'll blow up Klaus/Caroline -- through Carol Lockwood's death). If I had a drink every time someone mentioned "New Orleans," I'd have been drunk at the end of the hour. ;p

Seriously, show -- let's resolve that sire bond. To paraphrase Damon from long ago, I want it (D/E) to be real (for sure, for certain!) :D

Edited at 2013-02-01 05:07 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena18arabian on February 3rd, 2013 03:22 am (UTC)
*sigh* I still don't understand how you've only enjoyed the last two, LOL! From 4.05 on, I think this season has been AMAZING (and I really liked 1, 2 and 3, and 4 should have been fantastic were it not for the CRAPPY direction). Ah well.

Re: Gray morality, yeah, I'm thinking that as that gray is getting darker and darker someone(s) need to get back to human form because this can't be not deliberate considering the whole thing with Chris the Hybrid and the Tyler reaction.

I would love it so much if it was Rebekah who turned human.

(From a TV viewer perspective, I did love Kol's death -- I was SHOCKED. It was cool to be blown away with surprise again. :D )

Agreed; I really didn't expect them to actually kill him!

I only recall the New Orleans mention once in that conversation between Elena and Kol (and I thought it was done very organically). If one didn't know about the spin-off details, I don't think it would stand out.

I really hope that the sire bond is resolved with this batch of episodes because I really don't want to deal with this throughout the whole season.
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Bonnie is satisfiedbutterfly on February 1st, 2013 07:57 pm (UTC)
However, the second instance brought some interesting reactions to the forefront. Anyone who's been paying attention can tell that (a) Damon is NOT happy about the sire bond, and (b) that Damon is NOT using the sire bond, not really. As far as we've seen, he's used it twice: the first was to deny Elena what she wanted (sending her away from him), and the second was to give in to what she wanted (letting her come back to him). And that's it. So for Stefan to cruelly suggest that Damon use the sire bond to control Elena was a pretty damn low blow. (And totally deserving of Damon punching Stefan right in the kisser.) But what I didn't notice until my rewatch was not only Elena, but Bonnie's reaction as well. Look at their faces here:

There's also a lot of sexism at work in Stefan's suggestion, which basically boils down to "calm your little lady down, brother". Which fits right in with the language that Stefan used to use of "letting" Elena make her (and his) choices -- he does believe that the power rightfully rests with the guy and that it's a show of Stefan's gracious and wonderful selflessness that he allowed Elena to make choices.

I'm actually really admiring how the show is currently just pulling things out a little more obviously and making it clear how unhealthy Stefan's attitudes have always been. He acts around Rebekah the same way he acts around Elena -- this throws up doubts about how much of his feelings for Elena were real and how much were an act to get what he wants. And, here, he makes it clear that 'letting' Elena make her own choices was something that he viewed as an example of his generosity rather than it being that Stefan genuinely believes in Elena's right to make her own choices.

Like he said, she didn't know what Stefan was like when he wasn't in love with her. He was always putting on an act for Elena. And now that she's been 'tainted' by sex with Damon, he's not bothering with the act anymore. And, like you say, the act is part of who Stefan is but he pretended around Elena that it was all that he was. And she's learning now, rather painfully, how untrue that was.

And thanks for pulling out that reaction gif; it's obvious there how little both Elena and Bonnie think of Stefan pulling out the 'sire bond' card.

Great, great Bonnie stuff building here and I'm loving it.

Yes. I'm loving the Bonnie plotline.

Hmm, speaking of that dancing, so is Elena a bad dancer or something? Stefan danced with Rebekah in the 30's without complaint, asked her to dance here without a qualm, but when it comes to Elena -- even when he's trying to woo himself back into her good graces -- he makes her beg him to dance. The only time he didn't was when he was drunk on booze and blood. So, seriously, does Stefan just think Elena's a really bad dancer?

I know, right? What was your hang-up about dancing with Elena, Stefan?

ETA: I saw this on tumblr & it's priceless.



Edited at 2013-02-02 03:29 am (UTC)
La vida de llorona: pic#119948454laudanumdream on February 2nd, 2013 03:32 am (UTC)
It was all about the Damon dancing - don't you see? Damon has NEVER had a problem dancing with Elena...

I keed. I keed.
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jamdourado: pic#119645665jamdourado on February 1st, 2013 09:09 pm (UTC)
Stefan telling Damon to use the sire bond to keep Elena wasn't cool. Dude totally deserved that punch.

Elena and Jeremy should be responsible for every plan on this town, like, she and Jer, alone, killed an Original. Gilber siblings FTW!!!!

Bonnie tired of people telling her what to do??? AWESOME

I loved Stebekah this episode, but like you said, I don't know if Stefan is really caring about her or just manipulating her. Maybe that's why he danced with her??
And the soundtrack of their dance was great.

What is forwood???

LOL at Jeremy ripping his shirt, but I can't really complain ;)

Their hug!!! I can't with their faces, their little smile and they did it in front of Jeremy and Bonnie!!!! And Jer seemed OK with it!!!!
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on February 3rd, 2013 04:17 am (UTC)
Elena and Jeremy should be responsible for every plan on this town, like, she and Jer, alone, killed an Original. Gilber siblings FTW!!!!

Well, considering this is only the first of many, many plans that have actually worked, I'm not ready to hand the reins over from Damon and Bonnie yet. The only reason they're all still alive at this point is because of those two, LOL!

Bonnie tired of people telling her what to do??? AWESOME

Yup. Girl is growing up. I just hope this expression doesn't wind up taking her to the point of no return.

I don't know if Stefan is really caring about her or just manipulating her. Maybe that's why he danced with her??

See, I just don't know. I don't know what's real and what isn't? I just don't know with him. This is partly why it's still Stefan/Caroline OTP for me because Caroline is the ONLY one we've seen him this way with where there was no manipulation at play, where he wasn't trying to get something from her. And it's not like he hasn't shown her/told her some of his less desirable attributes as well.

What is forwood???

Did you mean "where" -- I don't know, and I don't care, but we know this about me and them, LOL!

LOL at Jeremy ripping his shirt, but I can't really complain ;)

I legit laugh every time.

Their hug!!! I can't with their faces, their little smile and they did it in front of Jeremy and Bonnie!!!! And Jer seemed OK with it!!!!

I KNOW!!
(Anonymous) on February 1st, 2013 10:36 pm (UTC)
Great recap as always! :) One thing though that I don't think anyone's mentioned here that really pulled on my heartstrings - how easily Klaus was able to put a seed of doubt in Damon's mind there'll be no happy ending for him. Because despite Elena telling him she loves him (And she does!! He's just dense, urgh), I still think he's *extremely* insecure and posterboy for inferiority complex when it comes to his brother.. I'd love to hear your take on whether I make any sense? Looking forward to next week, this was such a great ep!
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on February 2nd, 2013 01:21 am (UTC)
That's what I was talking about in my post -- how Damon really doesn't buy that Elena won't be there for him in the end because he does think that it will always be Stefan for her at the end of the day. I don't think it was Klaus putting doubt there, I think the doubt was already there and that Klaus just prodded it... because he's awesome like that, LOL!
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on February 1st, 2013 11:22 pm (UTC)
Lovely recap/review!

I love Bonnie's storyline and I don't know what's changed in Kat Graham but damn that girl is bringing her acting chops big time! It was interesting in how she totally seemed to own herself and what she was all about but at the same time, just from the last episode, we all know she really isn't in control...Shane is. These writers are really doing this concept of making it seem like the characters are doing the right thing and progressing in the right way but they really aren't.

Case in point...Stefan and Rebekah. Again I loved them and I loved their chemistry be we knew the entire time that Stefan really was using her and that he was almost acting like the good Stefan he only brought out for Elena to manipulate her. It was so hard for me to watch because while I loved them, I also cringed every time Rebekah seemed to buy it. But, they did give her the power in the end when she handed over the dagger. Nice touch with Matt hiding behind the corner.

Then you got the Gilberts and all of their awesomeness! On the one hand, Elena was being strong and smart with her plan to kill Kol. I was so proud of her for taking control and ordering everyone around as to what she wants to do. Everything makes sense, Kol is threatening them and is the bad guy so he must be stopped, Elena wants the cure and so she gets her vamp hunter brother to do the deed. Everyone who is available is helping out. It seems like Season 2 Elena and I loved it! But then you're reminded what really just happened...Elena just planned and committed genocide by having Jeremy (her little brother) kill one vampire thus killing who knows how many other vampires..good vamps or not. It's like you want to be happy about what's going on but at the same time you know it's wrong in some way.

Then there's Damon and Stefan's relationship. On the outside Stefan is doing the right thing by keeping Damon locked up in that cell. It protects Damon and it protects Jeremy. Sure he's getting some pleasure out of seeing Damon like this but he is justified in doing what he's doing. Then putting Klaus into the mix just complicates things and on the surface Klaus was looking for advice about pursuing Caroline but really he was manipulating Damon into believing Elena is temporary and eventually she'll be back to Stefan. Damon already believes this on some level but hearing it come out of anyone's mouth, even if it's Klaus, has gotta hurt. Sure Damon got out of that cell and sure he loves Elena but as soon as he sees her again he's awkward and weird. On the surface the hug was sweet and tender and lovely, but underneath it all it really wasn't. It was a showcase all of the issues Damon and Elena, particularly Damon, have to get through. One of those issues is the sire bond.

Again this sire bond is nothing on the surface. Elena is in love with Damon and to her, he knows this and they should be happy. The trouble is I don't think elena really understands what's going on in Damon's head. She doesn't understand the depths of his insecurities. She just doesn't get it and Damon telling her to come to him, while hot as hell, after she told him she loves him didn't help matters any. They really do need to talk and i'm gonna be honest here, i'm getting a little frustrated with the lack of communication between Damon and Elena. It's like the writers are purposely avoiding the obvious conversation that needs to happen between these two. It seems a bit contrived and I know there's a lot going on at the moment but I would hopes the writers are better than creating conflict over miscommunications. If the bond is supposed to address all of these really important aspects in their relationship, then they actually need the cahracters to address them. It's just getting a bit drawn out and I hope it will start to be dealt with during sweeps.

One last note: Love the ending line of Damon saying, "Here we go". That was really well done and creative. Sorry for the length! TVD does that to me.
Arabian: Elena09arabian on February 3rd, 2013 04:28 am (UTC)
Lovely recap/review!

Thank you. :)

I love Bonnie's storyline and I don't know what's changed in Kat Graham

I don't think anything's changed. Kat has always been one of the strongest actresses. Go back to 1.14 when Grams died, she was heartbreaking. My only complaint with her is that she hasn't always managed to bring the vulnerability when she should and it comes across as bitchiness, but overall, she's a great actress and has been from the get-go.

It was interesting in how she totally seemed to own herself and what she was all about but at the same time, just from the last episode, we all know she really isn't in control...Shane is. These writers are really doing this concept of making it seem like the characters are doing the right thing and progressing in the right way but they really aren't.

Yup. It's not just Stefan, or Caroline or Elena ... it's so many of them who are having to navigate and figure this out. Some are doing better than others, and some are not. It's fascinating.

Case in point...Stefan and Rebekah. Again I loved them and I loved their chemistry be we knew the entire time that Stefan really was using her and that he was almost acting like the good Stefan he only brought out for Elena to manipulate her. It was so hard for me to watch because while I loved them, I also cringed every time Rebekah seemed to buy it. But, they did give her the power in the end when she handed over the dagger. Nice touch with Matt hiding behind the corner.

Pretty much yes to all of this.

On the one hand, Elena was being strong and smart with her plan to kill Kol [...] But [...] Elena just planned and committed genocide by having Jeremy (her little brother) kill one vampire thus killing who knows how many other vampires..good vamps or not. It's like you want to be happy about what's going on but at the same time you know it's wrong in some way.

Exactly. Damon told Alaric that he had a "list" of people he didn't want to die, clearly the rest of them have their own mental list as well whether they realize it or not. And after we had that stuff with Chris the Hybrid and Tyler in 4.06, I don't see how it's not obvious to everyone (ie.viewers).

as soon as he sees her again he's awkward and weird. On the surface the hug was sweet and tender and lovely, but underneath it all it really wasn't. It was a showcase all of the issues Damon and Elena, particularly Damon, have to get through. One of those issues is the sire bond.

I didn't see it that way when I watched it, but I do get where you're coming from.

She doesn't understand the depths of his insecurities.

Actually, I disagree here. The very fact that she's not pushing is telling me that she's very aware of it. She tried laying her heart out the night he found out, begging/pleading with him and then again at the lake house, and both times he essentially shut her down. At the boarding house, by refusing physicality with her, and at the lake house, by sending her away. She knows that until the sire bond is resolved, he won't fully believe and so she's just trying to show she loves him in small ways, by being there, by respecting his desire to not push because of the sire bond, believing fully that once it's resolved, he'll realize all along that he was loved.

It's like the writers are purposely avoiding the obvious conversation that needs to happen between these two.

I don't see it that way. I see it as Damon and Elena not having the conversation because they'll just go in circles. Right now, they just want the bond resolved, so they can then move on with each other and figure things out.

If the bond is supposed to address all of these really important aspects in their relationship, then they actually need the characters to address them.

But how can they address them NOW when Damon doesn't/can't fully believe anything she says? We already have had some things dealt with on Elena's end, but until it's resolved, Damon won't go there because he believes deep down it isn't real. The discussion/exploration and dealing with what they are comes AFTER the bond is resolved.

Sorry for the length! TVD does that to me.

No need to apologize, you see how long my TVD posts are! :)
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vanimy: Elenavanimy on February 1st, 2013 11:56 pm (UTC)
PART ONE

I really don't know what to think about the episode.... I really loved the ending (minus the Hulk!Jeremy part, AGREED lol), and character/relationships moments but some unbelievable stuff really took me out of the episode.

Let's start with what worked :

-Elena is a badass and yay for her plan working, I told you one of her plans could work! ;) I didn't really like how she tried to sweet-talk Kol though, that was very manipulative of her, very Katherine of her, but shades of gray, I guess.

I disagree about the death of innocent vampires though. I think it's been well-established there are no innocent vampires, they all kill at some point or another. That was also the plan last season, the only thing that stopped them from doing it was because they didn't know who sired their line so I'm not really bothered by this new plan.

-Jeremy/Elena ftw! I also loved the Jeremy/Matt/Elena scene at the beginning of the episode, so cute.

-I agree with you on Damon and how Klaus fed him a false version of what really happened with Stefan but I think it totally fits Damon and his insecurities. Just like all that talk with Elena going back to Stefan at the end of the day (heck, sometimes even I have doubts about that). Damon thinking otherwise would've been totally out of character.

-That Damon/Elena moment at the end was the cutest thing.

-I loved Bonnie all episode (and yeah, lol, no Kennett lmao) and I was really torn about the whole thing with her parents. I completely understood Bonnie for being all like 'This is my life, you never cared before so get out of my way' and at the same time I completely understand her parents for wanting to help her because she definitely has a problem with this expression thing and it's going to come back to bite her in the proverbial ass.

-All the Bonnie/Jeremy feels when she prevented him from killing her mother. *sigh*

-I loved Klaus's reaction at the end, at last, his siblings come first (too little too late but well.....).

-Stefan. Well I'm really weird because I really liked him in this episode. Even with him being a total douche at the beginning (heck, even Damon took Rebekah back to the door like a gentleman heh). I was very wary with him at first and didn't like him with Rebekah because I was really tired of seeing Rebekah being played by him but I think he was sincere at the end. He could've had Matt stab her which would've been more simple for everyone but he didn't. I think this small decade dance kind of woke up a little of humanity in him. So yeah, I like to think he really meant it.

As for his relationship with his brother... Yeah, he did tell Klaus to bleed Damon dry if he tried to escape but well, I took it more as snark than anything. He gave Damon vervain so I don't think he was this intent on having his brother suffer. About that punch in the end, even though what Stefan said was totally out of line, I think Damon kind of looked for it with his Rebekah comment which is why I got why Stefan said what he said. Damon telling everyone about Stefan and Rebekah sleeping together was kind of out of line too (even it it was really funny!).

What on Earth is happening to me? I'm defending Stefan now?? lol

-I was surprised in a good way by Abby being back and Klaus being imprisoned in the house (with his dead brother, ouch).

-Also, yeah, the mark is (FINALLY) complete, let's move this plot along, please, I'm kind of tired of this cure talk. I want to see Silas and see if he lives up to the hype.

Arabian: Elena07arabian on February 3rd, 2013 04:35 am (UTC)
I didn't really like how she tried to sweet-talk Kol though, that was very manipulative of her, very Katherine of her, but shades of gray, I guess.

I didn't that as sweet-talking, or Katherine-like at all. Katherine would have been flirting up a storm, Elena wasn't flirting, she was making conversation... which came across as her trying to deal with her nerves (which is partly what she was doing).

I disagree about the death of innocent vampires though. I think it's been well-established there are no innocent vampires, they all kill at some point or another. That was also the plan last season, the only thing that stopped them from doing it was because they didn't know who sired their line so I'm not really bothered by this new plan.

But Elena was bothered by it, killing how many others. It's not that there are innocent vampires, it's that this one very small group of people are deciding the fate of hundreds if not thousands of others just to make their lives easier. That's pretty dark.

Jeremy/Elena ftw! I also loved the Jeremy/Matt/Elena scene at the beginning of the episode, so cute.

Ditto.

I agree with you on Damon and how Klaus fed him a false version of what really happened with Stefan but I think it totally fits Damon and his insecurities.

Oh, so do I. I didn't go as much into detail about it this write-up, but I did when he brought it up last week. So Damon and his halo-ed Stefan outlook, LOL!

I was really torn about the whole thing with her parents. I completely understood Bonnie for being all like 'This is my life, you never cared before so get out of my way' and at the same time I completely understand her parents for wanting to help her because she definitely has a problem with this expression thing and it's going to come back to bite her in the proverbial ass.

Again, completely agreed.

All the Bonnie/Jeremy feels when she prevented him from killing her mother. *sigh*

Ooh, I forgot! I loved that moment! :)

Stefan. Well I'm really weird because I really liked him in this episode.

I didn't dislike him, I just don't know if I can trust him.

I think this small decade dance kind of woke up a little of humanity in him. So yeah, I like to think he really meant it.

I'd like to think so too.

Yeah, he did tell Klaus to bleed Damon dry if he tried to escape but well, I took it more as snark than anything.

Snark or not, he told a psychopath who hates Damon to torture his brother if his brother annoys him. That was too far.

He gave Damon vervain so I don't think he was this intent on having his brother suffer.

I don't think he knew that the water had vervain in it. That was a complete surprise to everyone else when they found out. And I'm sure that he probably found out later, but at that point, nothing indicated that he did know. Maybe he did, but I didn't think that he had.

About that punch in the end, even though what Stefan said was totally out of line, I think Damon kind of looked for it with his Rebekah comment which is why I got why Stefan said what he said. Damon telling everyone about Stefan and Rebekah sleeping together was kind of out of line too (even it it was really funny!).

Not as out of line as what Stefan did. Stefan and Damon have both done stuff like that in the past a lot. It was shitty, but it wasn't a low blow. Stefan, again, crossed the line.

What on Earth is happening to me? I'm defending Stefan now?? lol

I KNOW!

Klaus being imprisoned in the house (with his dead brother, ouch).

WAS AWESOME!!

Also, yeah, the mark is (FINALLY) complete, let's move this plot along, please, I'm kind of tired of this cure talk. I want to see Silas and see if he lives up to the hype.

And the sire bond, let's deal with that too please! :)
vanimy: Doctorvanimy on February 1st, 2013 11:57 pm (UTC)
PART TWO

What didn't work now :

-The pacing was all kinds of weird. Not saying it was boring but IDK weird.

-Kol. I totally agree with you, the actor playing him wasn't really good. He was overreacting in every scene, it was awful. I didn't see it so much last week because he wasn't featured so prominently but this episode? Bleh.

-Speaking of Kol, there was absolutely NO reason why he just didn't kill Elena on the spot. I loved how she got away but this was just silly of him to stake her in the stomach and not stake her period. What was stopping him? Their "heartfelt" conversation? Can't be, there was no emotion involved at the end on his part... Klaus? He told him on the phone he was going to kill Elena on top of ripping Jeremy's arms off. This made literally no sense and I just couldn't suspend my disbelief here.

-Not a fan of Matt/Rebekah so this little scene - even if it made me think of you ;)- did absolutely nothing for me.

-Speaking of....THE ORIGINALS. Is this the writers' way of making me literally not care when they make the spin off? Because it sure as hell is working. Even if I love Rebekah, I'm sick and tired of watching her being so open and vulnerable to any man who gives her a look. She should've been more wary of Stefan, WAY MORE WARY. But apparently all it takes is a dance. *rolls eyes*

Speaking of which, I still don't get why a stupid high school dance would be so important to a woman who lived a thousand years. I know, she already showed that kind of behavior in 3x09 but it was really glaring in this episode.

Kol too for that matter. they both act like immature teens even if they literally lived through centuries. This is becoming silly (as everyone's obsession with being back to human, I just don't buy it... not with the way TVD's vampires are described).

And last but not least we had Klaus asking Damon for romantic tips.... because of Caroline. No, just no.

The Originals are really really not scary and pathetic and a waste of my screen time. Give me Elijah and his cheesy letters any day, ugh.

When is the spin-off starting so I can be put out of my misery?? lol
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on February 3rd, 2013 04:43 am (UTC)
The pacing was all kinds of weird. Not saying it was boring but IDK weird.

Hmm, I wasn't wowed by this episode, so that could have been it. I didn't know it myself, but you could be right.

Speaking of Kol, there was absolutely NO reason why he just didn't kill Elena on the spot.

Ah, I disagree. He's an Original with overinflated sense of power and self, and he just wanted to get Elena out of the way briefly to finish off Jeremy and *then* he was no doubt going to go back and torture Elena. I think he was just playing with her, wanting to get the most bang for his buck since she'd played him.

RE: Rebekah and Kol -- not with the way TVD's vampires are described).

Actually, it's EXACTLY how I've always thought the vampires are on this show. Their maturity level is pretty much where they were when they died. It's why Stefan is such a teenager still, as is Caroline. Why Rebekah is still the only girl, a young woman, who dreadfully misses just being a girl because she hasn't had that chance, why Kol is such a cruel doofus, 20-something frat boy. Why Elijah is more respectful and elegant. They are who they were at the age they were turned. It all makes perfect sense.

And last but not least we had Klaus asking Damon for romantic tips.... because of Caroline. No, just no.

But why not? Klaus gets knowledge from where he can get it, and we know that he was an unloved, unchosen, kinda geeky, nerdy guy (as far as Vikings go) as a human. He likes Caroline, and he's used to women falling over him... Caroline is not. Love makes us stupid. And Damon is the "bad guy" of the group, yet, Elena fell for him, so it makes sense that Klaus would ask him.

The Originals are really really not scary and pathetic and a waste of my screen time. Give me Elijah and his cheesy letters any day, ugh.

I think they could be scarier, but overall, I think that vulnerability and lack of control makes them scary indeed.

When is the spin-off starting so I can be put out of my misery?? lol

Next season.


La vida de llorona: pic#119948454laudanumdream on February 2nd, 2013 02:52 am (UTC)
So, here's my thoughts:

1) After Stefan's comment to Damon about the sire bond, I legit said out loud, "Ohhhhh punch him in the face!" and then he did. I don't hate Stefan... but dude needed to be punched in the face.

2) I also noticed Bonnie's look and said aloud, "Awkward!!!" I will be mad if Elena takes Stefan back after she's human. It's not because I'm a Delena fan (although I am) but because if you see him being such a douche nozzle outside of your relationship, why would you want him back? I get that he's acting out of anger over the circumstances - but seriously could be handling himself more maturely. He's been around for 160+ years.

3) I'm glad Kol's dead... bad acting. I was surprised it happened so quickly.

4) and Klaus's reaction... LOOOOOOOVE his reactions to these sort of things. There are tears in his eyes, but he boils up the hatred with such fervor.

5) Abby trying to act like a mother lol

6) I love how Damon said "If you're going to do something bad, do it with purpose" or something to that affect. It really summed up a lot of his behavior as of late.
La vida de llorona: pic#119948454laudanumdream on February 2nd, 2013 02:54 am (UTC)
Oh and No Caroline, Tyler, April or Shane... I needed a break from all of them. Don't get me wrong: I used to love Tyler and Caroline individually but now I feel like Caroline is just sooooooo freaking whiny... when she said, "Am I missing something?" and "Why am I suddenly the bad guy" in 4x07, I was like, "Because you're freaking ANNOYING!!!"

Tyler hasn't been annoying me lately, but what's left for his character right now? Just Caroline problems and I need a break from her.

April... well, you know I didn't much like her to start with.
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woobloo: damon/elenawoobloo on February 2nd, 2013 06:57 am (UTC)
Hallo.... I hope you don't mind me randomly leaving a comment here again. I found your reviews a couple of days ago and they are wonderfully thought out, and due to the fact that my usual fandoms are not this show, I wanted a place to discuss it (because it is marvelous and squeeworthy).

How he acted with Rebekah prior to their last scene was so sweet and wonderful, very similar to how he acted when with Elena, when he was "the perfect boyfriend." But he was lying to Rebekah. He was using her, stalling her, playing her.

This is a really interesting observation, and it really highlights the deep seated division in Stefan's character. Because I truly believe that at least a part of Stefan really was enjoying himself when hanging out with Rebekah last night. (Really, Elena's the only character we really haven't seen Stefan have that much fun with, barring a few moments.) But it just makes you think how much of a false character Stefan is at heart. I don't mean that in an empty way, really, but (because one must always do this) to contrast the Bros. Salvatore for a minute, Damon, if you think about it, basically wears his heart on his sleeve, in a twisted way. He's honest and open about everything he does, in everything from loving Elena to being a murderous vampire. But Stefan... he's really always dancing around the truth. The most interesting thing is I think he lies to himself as much as anyone else. Of course there's the most obvious example of this (Ripper vs. angsty 'Mary Sue' (I did kind of love that phrase of Kol's)). But even in smaller things, Stefan's lying to himself. He's what he wants to be in the moment. He can simultaneously be plotting to dagger Rebekah but separate that from the part of his brain that's enjoying spending time with her, and almost make the two parts forget about themselves. In other words, he has no self awareness, but we all know that already, lol.

it wasn't Katherine Pierce that drove this horrible centuries old wedge between the brothers. Nope, it's Lexi.

All I can say is: THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one who was seriously disturbed by her behavior- although I did find Arielle Kibbel fun to watch, it was negated by the horrible, terrible things she did to my bb Damon. /*sigh

Other than that, I don't have a lot to say about the Stefan stuff other than I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY.

I can make excuses for Stefan (not that I have much a desire to, but still, somethings just *will* be excused) but he's being a total dick. Although I feel sorry for the fact that his dickish ways are affecting those around him, I can't actually wish it differently because a) Paul Wesley is so fantastic as dick!Stefan, b) I'm so thrilled that they're not just throwing S3 and his Ripper binge out the window- sure, he and Elena got back together, but things were still very different from the rosy posy (you could mildly call it childish, harshly call it delusional) relationship they had before, and c) character development opportunities galore.

On another note, I too am conflicted about my secondary ships. I kind of hate Tyler/Caroline, not because they're terrible per se, but because I'm just so totally emotionless about them and I don't like them taking up my screentime when we could be having, you know, Delena sexytimes. Or something. :) I like Klaus/Caroline a lot, but that's just not going to pan out b/c of the Originals series. I would say Matt/Rebekah and Stefan/Caroline if I didn't love Stefan/Rebekah so damn much. They're just.... shiny. And pretty. Stefan/Caroline are as well, but sadly, I think that part of me had that ship a little ruined (a little) what with the whole "Let's talk about how much we hate Elena and Damon and how he's totally manipulating her via the sire bond!" thing. It was completely, totally, 100% in character, but part of me resents them for it. (And I enjoyed Matt/Caroline's relationship, bad ending notwithstanding, but that's just over.)

Cont...
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on February 3rd, 2013 05:01 am (UTC)
Hallo.... I hope you don't mind me randomly leaving a comment here again.

Not at all. I hope for plenty of comments and discussion when I post these reviews, so thank you for joining in. :)

I found your reviews a couple of days ago and they are wonderfully thought out, and due to the fact that my usual fandoms are not this show, I wanted a place to discuss it (because it is marvelous and squeeworthy).

No problem. And feel free to comment on past posts if you want as well.

it really highlights the deep seated division in Stefan's character. Because I truly believe that at least a part of Stefan really was enjoying himself when hanging out with Rebekah last night. (Really, Elena's the only character we really haven't seen Stefan have that much fun with, barring a few moments.) But it just makes you think how much of a false character Stefan is at heart.

Yup, yup, yup. He's so used to playing the "good brother," that it's like a second skin he slips on and so even so many of his genuine moments come from a core of manipulation.

He's what he wants to be in the moment. He can simultaneously be plotting to dagger Rebekah but separate that from the part of his brain that's enjoying spending time with her, and almost make the two parts forget about themselves. In other words, he has no self awareness, but we all know that already, lol.

Yup, yup, yup. I agree completely. And also about that difference between Damon (heart on his sleeves) and Stefan (keeping his feelings close to his vest).

All I can say is: THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one who was seriously disturbed by her behavior- although I did find Arielle Kibbel fun to watch, it was negated by the horrible, terrible things she did to my bb Damon. /*sigh

Oh, I DESPISE Lexi. Here are links to her appearances in season 02, 03, 04 -- read my ever-growing rants. :)

- The Dinner Party
- Ghost World
- We'll Always Have Bourbon Street -- I erm, REALLY go to town in this one.

I think I talk more about my Lexi issues in comments in the first two threads, but the third is very detailed about her.

I'm so thrilled that they're not just throwing S3 and his Ripper binge out the window

I never thought they were. I really had a come to Jesus moment with this show after season 03. It is not an episode or story or multi-episode of seasonal arc that they are telling. Everything is all in service, in play for a SIX-SEASON arc.And it's all building, brick by brick.

On another note, I too am conflicted about my secondary ships. I kind of hate Tyler/Caroline, not because they're terrible per se

Oh, but they are, they so are.

I don't like them taking up my screentime when we could be having, you know, Delena sexytimes. Or something. :)

Yup, this too.

I like Klaus/Caroline a lot, but that's just not going to pan out b/c of the Originals series. I would say Matt/Rebekah and Stefan/Caroline if I didn't love Stefan/Rebekah so damn much. They're just.... shiny. And pretty. Stefan/Caroline are as well, but sadly, I think that part of me had that ship a little ruined (a little) what with the whole "Let's talk about how much we hate Elena and Damon and how he's totally manipulating her via the sire bond!" thing. It was completely, totally, 100% in character, but part of me resents them for it. (And I enjoyed Matt/Caroline's relationship, bad ending notwithstanding, but that's just over.)

I think K/C have chemistry, but I don't ship them. I think S/R have chemistry and I do think they're shiny and pretty, but they're horrible for each other. I think M/R had some great, romantic moments, but Matt was horrible to her and they just weren't good for each other. But Stefan and Caroline? Generally bring out the best in each other. Right now, the D/E stuff -- not so much -- but overall, they are better with each other than with anyone else. Matt and Rebekah have that very same potential. So if I've got sparkly, shiny pretty on display + great chemistry + great storytelling + better for each other? Damn straight, I'm shipping them! So my ships are D/E (duh), Stefan/Caroline, Matt/Rebekah, Katherine/Elijah and Jeremy/Bonnie.

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woobloo: damon/elenawoobloo on February 2nd, 2013 06:57 am (UTC)
As far as the punch goes... LONG OVERDUE. I was kind of completely cheering Damon on in this moment. It felt like a sort of reaction to Stefan undeservedly punching Damon for kissing Elena way back in 3.13 (or thereabouts, I don't remember exactly when.) I so didn't notice Bonnie's face until you pointed it out, but hee, that just adds another layer of awesome to that. (I love that she, at least, is no longer OMGDAMONTHEEVULONE like so many characters tend to be, even if she still isn't his friend or anything)

It's taken me a while to come around to Klaus- I think it was really the Klaus/Caroline moments that have made me warm up to him, as well as the fact that I think Joseph Morgan has definitely gotten stronger as he's been playing the role. But this season is the first season I've truly enjoyed having him around.

And the Delena was small, but it just made me melt. The look on her face when he walks in.... it's pretty spectacular.

I loved this ep- I have concerns about where this season is going in general, but I also have utter faith that those concerns will be addressed (mostly relating to this whole cure thing, which at this point in time is a) not a fully fleshed out thing, I think, in terms of the mythology of the show and b) I love the character development that the characters, as vampires, have, and I want that to stay. Like human!Damon, I'm fairly convinced, wouldn't work for too long- being a vampire is a pretty integral part of his character and his development as such.) So I don't know where they're going with that, but hey, that's part of the fun, right! Like I said, I have faith in the spectacular writers.

And yay about this season, which is shaping up to be pretty great. Although I must say that, because I binge-watched the entire series last June while recovering from a long illness (seriously, you don't want to know how much tv I watched- I also binge-watched the entire series' of HIMYM, Community, and various seasons of several late '90s teen tv shows that I had never really seen, not having been a teenager in the late '90s. So yeah....) but anyway, I'm finding this whole "waiting" thing to be kind of frustrating, lol. It's a show that's so perfect for binge-watching, too. *sigh* :D

Ho boy, this was a long and totally random post that I'm debating about posting, because so much of it was just my rants I wanted to say abt the show. But oh well, you can read my convoluted thoughts! Yay!
Arabian: Damon04arabian on February 3rd, 2013 05:24 am (UTC)
As far as the punch goes... LONG OVERDUE. I was kind of completely cheering Damon on in this moment. It felt like a sort of reaction to Stefan undeservedly punching Damon for kissing Elena way back in 3.13

Yup. (3.12 by the way), but yup, I thought of that scene too.

I so didn't notice Bonnie's face until you pointed it out, but hee, that just adds another layer of awesome to that. (I love that she, at least, is no longer OMGDAMONTHEEVULONE like so many characters tend to be, even if she still isn't his friend or anything)

Kat Graham has some FABULOUS reaction shots.

It's taken me a while to come around to Klaus

Me too. It hasn't been K/C for me, but rather this --

Joseph Morgan has definitely gotten stronger as he's been playing the role. But this season is the first season I've truly enjoyed having him around.

Yup. Agreed.

And the Delena was small, but it just made me melt. The look on her face when he walks in.... it's pretty spectacular.,/i>

*sigh* I know.

I loved this ep- I have concerns about where this season is going in general, but I also have utter faith that those concerns will be addressed

After all of my concerns with season 03 were pretty handily dealt with throughout most of this season so far (and my SIX-SEASON ARC thingie), I have complete faith in them. I don't have concerns anymore for the most part.

Like human!Damon, I'm fairly convinced, wouldn't work for too long- being a vampire is a pretty integral part of his character and his development as such.) So I don't know where they're going with that, but hey, that's part of the fun, right!

I'd like to see him as human because he wanted it (per 2.12), but then in order to save someone or whatever, he makes the choice to become a vampire again to gain strength or whatever would be kinda cool. I don't know, I just can see lots of things they can do before having to turn Damon back to vampire. I mean, imagine if Damon is all bleeding heart on them with the decisions they make... as a human. The reactions would be HYSTERICAL!

I've binge-watched series before and BOY! does it suck when you have to wait. I watched the first 18 eps of this show binge, and it was awesome and then waiting... UGH!

It's a show that's so perfect for binge-watching, too. *sigh* :D

Yes, it is.

Ho boy, this was a long and totally random post that I'm debating about posting, because so much of it was just my rants I wanted to say abt the show. But oh well, you can read my convoluted thoughts! Yay!

No, thanks for sharing. :)

Oh, should have mentioned this in the first post, but if you're interested, I have handy links to all my main TVD posts TVD Round-Up Post. It's the top link on my LJ sidebar. :)
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(Anonymous) on February 2nd, 2013 12:53 pm (UTC)
Actually, I do have a problem with Elena's approach of her relationship with Damon. Despite the fact that again in this episode I haven't seen her fighting somehow for her love for Damon, in the end she was in Damon's house and she didn't do a thing, to go looking for him. Actually, that hug was her first reaction about him. I know that the mark is important, but so is Damon (as she says) so her lack of attitude isn't very pleasant. When the sire bond first occurred, all of us were so excited that she will fight for Damon, but, until now, all we have is an ILY, which I think only deepens the gap between Damon and Elena and it didn't solve anything. That's my opinion. I have a problem with Elena's attitude...
Arabian: Damon & Elena21arabian on February 3rd, 2013 05:27 am (UTC)
I'm not seeing it this way at all.

The very fact that she's not pushing, not fighting is telling me that she's very aware of Damon's insecurities and issues. She tried laying her heart out the night he found out, begging/pleading with him and then again at the lake house, and both times he essentially shut her down. At the boarding house, by refusing physicality with her, and at the lake house, by sending her away. She knows that until the sire bond is resolved, he won't fully believe and so she's just trying to show she loves him in small ways, by being there, by respecting his desire to not push because of the sire bond, believing fully that once it's resolved, he'll realize all along that he was loved.

all of us were so excited that she will fight for Damon

She's fought for him, and both times, he shut her down. She knows that she can tell him everything she feels and he won't fully believe it, so she's being patient. She's not pushing him. THAT shows how well she knows him and cares about what HE wants, what matters to him. She didn't go looking for him, BUT she did GO to his house. She gave him his space, knowing that he was probably going through his own head right now dealing with the compulsion. Once he appeared -- which clearly was right after they got there -- she stood up, smiled and went straight to hug him.
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alkja: pic#93120746alkja on February 2nd, 2013 01:59 pm (UTC)
Let's start by talking about Stefan. The thing with him is that he's so good at lying that I don't know when to trust him.

I just never do, not completely. Mostly because even if he’s sincere about something there’s always the high possibility he’s lying to himself.

That Stefan is still seeing Lexi through such rose-colored glasses is terrible.

Stefan more or less has to believe that Lexi was great and all-righteous, because so much of his identity is based on her and what she told him and how she saw him – which btw is one of the reasons it’s so fragile: it’s based on an external view instead of an internal discovery. To denounce Lexi would mean making the whole precarious construction fall down and Stefan is so not ready for that. It would mean acknowledging The Ripper as himself instead of this stranger inhabiting his body, it would mean letting go of his Good Brother badge, it would mean that the people who he has known as he is now could not chose to be around his actual self, and we’re seeing that Stefan is not equipped to deal with not being wanted or chosen.
Doesn’t change the fact that Lexi is the worst and I almost wish she could be brought back so I could watch her being killed again.

for Stefan to cruelly suggest that Damon use the sire bond to control Elena was a pretty damn low blow.

And how! That was a total “you know, there’s a roaring fire just there, you could toss him in” moment for me. Seriously, he’s bitching up a storm about the Sirebond and how it’s all its fault that Elena has jumped ship and that they have to free her from those shackles… and then, the moment he’s being called out for questionable judgement, it’s totally fine to use it so he can get some peace? “Make this kwetching woman shut up”?
Bonnie, where is a Mystical Migraine when we need it? Still, great punch, Damon.
And let’s not talk about the fact that Stefan knows damn well that Damon didn’t use the Sirebond for shit, since he’s the one who had to convince him of its existence to start with.

It's obvious that all of those players feel that once Elena gets the cure it's back to default factory Stefan-settings for Elena.

Which for me makes it clear that it’s not going to be. Everybody and their goldfish is saying it, where would the drama be? (Not to mention, LJ Smith wanted the books to go with Delena, it’s the publishing company that decided to screw with the plan: I’m holding out hope that the show will respect the author’s wishes and vision)

I don't even remotely think of actual, real-life morals when watching this show because all of our heroes are so not heroes, heck they don't even earn the anti-hero title.

I want to cross-stich this on a pillow and hug it to me every time I read some forums and messageboards. Guys, we’re watching a show with vampires for protagonists! Conventional morals were never an option.

It really is all about their group, and pretty much everyone else is collateral damage. Damon is just the only one who's honest about it.

Which is why he’s got so many fans. It’s not that he’s the most pure, good character, it’s that he’s the more honest. (well, that and he’s a blisteringly hot badass with great lines)

prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on February 2nd, 2013 03:38 pm (UTC)
Which for me makes it clear that it’s not going to be. Everybody and their goldfish is saying it, where would the drama be? (Not to mention, LJ Smith wanted the books to go with Delena, it’s the publishing company that decided to screw with the plan: I’m holding out hope that the show will respect the author’s wishes and vision)


Just jumping in here to comment on this...at this point it's not even about what LJ wanted or the publishing company, at this point it's purely about decent writing. Elena going back to Stefan after all of this, after sleeping with Damon, after telling Damon that she loves him, after hearing the things Stefan has been saying both to her and to Damon, after Stefan trying to "fix" her? I think I would rage! Not only because it regresses Elena's character to the extreme and makes her look weak, used, and delusional, but also it makes the triangle absolutely pointless. I know that everyone and their mother thought Elena would choose Damon at the end of season 3 and a lot of people were completely blind-sided by her choice but, if you look back at all that Elena went through and alll of the couple moments Damon and Elena had...it was all about Stefan every time. She said she was going to let Stefan go but that never happened. The moment her and Damon kissed she went to Stefan and used it to get a reaction out of him. She completely pushed Damon away the moment Stefan showed any signs of being back to be with her. She even went to Denver beause Stefan suggested it and he had to practically push her out the damn door! It was always about Stefan and her choice was always going to be Stefan. Obviously, they were also setting up the bond and Damon's disbelief in Elena's feelings for this season too.

This season has been so different in terms of how Elena is acting and thinking. She's all about Damon and she's all about finding herself through vampirism. So many HUGE moments have happened between Delena and if they take it all away and erase it by having Elena go back to Stefan or is even unsure of her feelings once the bond is broken, it would totally erase all of the development Damon and Elena has this season and maybe even form the entire show . You can't have that because you need the triangle to exist at all times. Sure Stefan and Elena will have moments but the fact remains Damon and ELena need to be fully explored and they need some sense of meaning to Elena and to this triangle otherwise it's not a triangle.

So yes, I would certaintly think Damon will get his happy ending this season. I'm not saying there won't be a twist or some other conflict that will arise but the fact remains, erasing Damon and Elena's development by implying that Elena was somehow being used by this bond to sleep with and love Damon would just be atrocious writing and would totally ruin Damon and Elena completely in my opinion.
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alkja: pic#93120746alkja on February 2nd, 2013 02:01 pm (UTC)
unlike Stefan, Damon is a helluva lot better at resisting the compulsion

I agree with this and I find how the Salvatores act under compulsion completely in character. It’s similar to how they act in regard to the bloodlust.
Damon accepts it and enjoys it, thus staying in control. Damon doesn’t so much fight against the compulsion, as he accept he’s compelled and tries so use whatever room for manoeuvre he has: he has to find and kill Jeremy, that’s the compulsion and he can’t avoid doing that. What he can do is warn Jeremy, keep talking to him to alert him of his coming near, keep on instructing him and finally stall himself long enough to be killed.
Stefan, on the other hand, can repress incredibly well, but once he’s out of control he’s shit at reining himself in. He can fight, not deal, and even fighting only leads to messiness and not much results.
Still, just like on the matter of the bloodlust, Stefan method is seen as the more noble and much better than it actually is.

So until that is resolved, Damon will continue to believe that the main reason she wants to be with him is because of that bond.

Damon pretty much has no clue has to why Elena is with him, mostly because he can’t imagine why someone would love him. He’s spent his life being the UnChosen One, so suddenly being in the favored position doesn’t compute for him any more than it does for Stefan. It’s probably why he accepted so quickly the (actually pretty debatable) reality of the Sirebond: it tracks with his experience.

I loved when Bonnie contemptuously told Abby that she was having nothing to do with the spirits, keeping firm with her avowal after they used her for the last time.

On the whole, I’m not a fan of Bonnie and the thing with Shane made me yell at her for being a fool more times than you can imagine. That said, that was a total “I am witch, hear me roar” moment.
I was also pretty pissed on her behalf at her parents, no matter how right they might be about dark magic: these guys have not been parents to Bonnie for a long time. They bailed on their kid and their duties as parents, leaving her to find guidance elsewhere from other people. So, they are not in a position to take umbrage at what the result of these other people's guidance is and certainly not in a position where they can credibly expect Bonnie to yeld to their authority. They don't get to say "Mother and Father know best." They may be their parents, but in practice they haven't done the work to deserve the title or the authority that comes with it, Bonnie either barely knows them or doesn't seem to respect them much. Even in this situation, they are not interested in getting to know their daughter, her opinions, her wishes, her reasons for her actions. They decided on a course of action and that's it, Bonnie will have to deal with it, like she has had to deal with all their other decisions.
So, Bonnie using her magic to effectively emancipate herself from them and going to help the people who have actually been around was a Hell Yes moment, no matter what dire consequences will inevitably follow.

Oh my God, Elena's plan worked! AND it was executed pretty much in full by her and Jeremy! GO ELENA! (And Jeremy!) I was quite, quite impressed with her mental and physical skills shining in this episode. I love seeing bad-ass Elena because she's so freaking bad-ass.

DO NOT fuck with Elena’s loved ones, girl will be mad. And now homicidal mad. Seriously, this is the girl who, while human, gutstabbed herself to get shit done, now that she’s a vampire you don’t want to mess with her: vampire for a few weeks and she’s bagged a Hunter and an Original.
The only thing that could have made this any better would have been Katherine popping up from nowhere to give her a fist-bump: Petrova Pride!
Arabian: Damon15arabian on February 3rd, 2013 05:54 am (UTC)
Damon pretty much has no clue has to why Elena is with him, mostly because he can’t imagine why someone would love him. He’s spent his life being the UnChosen One, so suddenly being in the favored position doesn’t compute for him any more than it does for Stefan. It’s probably why he accepted so quickly the (actually pretty debatable) reality of the Sirebond: it tracks with his experience.

Exactly. That's something I commented on in either my episode 8, 9 or sirebond write-up. Normally, Damon would see through the issues with this like that, however, because of how it's effecting him emotionally and cuts to the heart of him, he can't be objective at all. He expects that there is no way that Elena can love him, that he doesn't deserve her love, and so therefore.... ah, there it is, there's the catch. Now it all makes sense again. That's just Damon.

I was also pretty pissed on her behalf at her parents, no matter how right they might be about dark magic: these guys have not been parents to Bonnie for a long time. They bailed on their kid and their duties as parents, leaving her to find guidance elsewhere from other people.

YES! To all of this (and the following paragraph). I get their point of view, but they've essentially lost the right to make decisions for her now. Especially when we know that Bonnie is just about 18 at this point.

DO NOT fuck with Elena’s loved ones, girl will be mad. And now homicidal mad. Seriously, this is the girl who, while human, gutstabbed herself to get shit done, now that she’s a vampire you don’t want to mess with her: vampire for a few weeks and she’s bagged a Hunter and an Original.

GO ELENA!! I will never understand people not getting the awesome of Elena Gilbert, human or vampire!
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on February 2nd, 2013 02:02 pm (UTC)
And I loved that she wasn't stupid enough to not realize that Stefan was playing her, that he wanted the dagger.

It wasn’t such an astounding leap of smarts: Stefan is nice to you, he wants something.
I just can’t join you on the Rebekah love. I find the whole Original tribe incredibly uninteresting, mostly because I cannot for a moment buy them having lived as long as they did with the way they act.

is Elena a bad dancer or something?

No, it’s just that for Stefan everything is a power play and he’s constantly looking for confirmation. Even just a dance is a chance for him to reaffirm that he’s important and wanted. Ergo, Elena has to beg and cajole and stroke his ego.

Oh, Stefan, speed-dressing out of a girl's bed. And hee! I love little things like that showing the practical benefits of vampirism in the real world! Hah!

On the one hand, I totally agree with you and I wish they’d show those things more often (OMG, Damon zipping around the boarding house like a vampire Cinderella dusting and cleaning!), on the other hand: stay classy, Stef!

Matt's thumbs up to Elena when she said the boys should put the weapons away. Hee!

Totally a Big Sister Moment: boys, stop playing and do your chores.

Elena's smile upon seeing him and that sweet, sweet hug were beautiful moments that I loved. :)

Me too, pal. Me too. How can they be scorching hot one moment and so adorable another?


Lovely review as always!
Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on February 3rd, 2013 05:59 am (UTC)
It wasn’t such an astounding leap of smarts: Stefan is nice to you, he wants something.

LOL! Unless your name is Caroline Forbes. And this is why Stefan/Caroline are my OTP for those two characters.

I just can’t join you on the Rebekah love. I find the whole Original tribe incredibly uninteresting, mostly because I cannot for a moment buy them having lived as long as they did with the way they act.

Oh, see I've never had a problem with that because it's exactly how I've always thought the vampires are on this show. Their maturity level is pretty much where they were when they died. It's why Stefan is such a teenager still, as is Caroline. Why Rebekah is still the only girl, a young woman, who dreadfully misses just being a girl because she hasn't had that chance, why Kol is such a cruel doofus, 20-something frat boy. Why Elijah is more respectful and elegant. They are who they were at the age they were turned. It all makes perfect sense.

And with the Originals because they are so powerful, have been around for so long, they have a sense of entitlement and indestructibility that lends themselves to not bothering to care or to learn to be "better."

On the one hand, I totally agree with you and I wish they’d show those things more often (OMG, Damon zipping around the boarding house like a vampire Cinderella dusting and cleaning!), on the other hand: stay classy, Stef!

This to both -- especially Damon cleaning. I swear that when I next do my full series rewatch, I am grabbing every reference to Damon and housekeeping duties. EVERY SINGLE ONE. And there are SO MANY!

Me too, pal. Me too. How can they be scorching hot one moment and so adorable another?

That's how it is with my favorite couples -- the ability to be both hot and sweet. Stefan and Elena (before the nature of just how unhealthy their relationship was) were sweet, but never hot. I need the hot, thank you very much. :)

Lovely review as always!

Thank you. :)
(Anonymous) on February 2nd, 2013 03:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you, Jennifer, reading your thoughts was a pleasure as always!

What slightly bother me lately - Elena seem quite passive about her relationships with Damon. She told him "it is real" and "I love you" - and to her it seem everything that needed to be done.
She is oblivious about Damon's inner insecurities, and it surprises me that she does not see through him as she did before. I mean - in 409 he was flinching from her touches - she didn't even noticed. In 411 his - "Why? Because Stefan did?" - was so obvious give away about how low he thinks about himself compared to Stefan. And again - she didn't paid attention.

May be she is so happy that it's blinded her slightly or may be she is using the same tactic with Damon as in a relationships with Stefan - all you need is to tell some dramatic words about love and all will be fixed. With Stefan they didn't discuss their issues - they covered them with love declarations. (It is possible - considering the fact that now Elena's using to Stefan the same tactic as she's used to Damon - when he was her friend/unofficial boyfriend.)
I thought one of the points of the SB storyline is to make Elena analyse her feelings for Damon before turning, the reasons of her Choice and why she wants to be with Damon now - to clear up to herself and to Damon what is real and what might be the SB-affect. (I believe the SB is fake - but Elena and everyone else believe otherwise). Elena just accepted the fact that she is sired - and may be it's all not real - but it does not seem to bother her, she is happy so whatever.. But it bothers Damon and she did nothing about that.

May be I missed the point of SB storyline - and writers put it there only to keep DE apart some more and give some hope to the SE fanbase and it wouldn't suppose to provoke inner conflict and self-searching on the characters part (mostly Elena's part - Damon is eaten by inner conflicts, and I dont like that Elena might have been stripped out of her agency for almost half of the season only to prop Damon's character growth). Or may be it's coming and I need to wait. I'm just affraid that I'm waiting for something that will never happen. (Like Stefan take responsibility for all his bad deeds and stop being concidered as a flawless by most of the characters)

And about their moment in 412. Although I liked their sweet hug it was a bit tainted to me. What I didn't like - the thought about Damon didn't seem to cross Elena's mind at all, as long as she saw him in person.
Damon was locked in the basement and she knew that. But after they killed Kol - and ruined the compulsion - she changed her clothes at the Boarding house ( when she left Gilberts house she was wearing different clothes) and was just sitting there with Jer and Bonny and didn't even think to check up on Damon, to set him free because Kol was dead. And she was surprised to see Damon - and I don't understand - has she forgotten about him being locked up or what? Maybe I'm carping? )))))
P.S. Sorry for my mistakes - probably a lot of - english isn't my first language.
Arabian: Damon & Elena21arabian on February 3rd, 2013 06:13 am (UTC)
What slightly bother me lately - Elena seem quite passive about her relationships with Damon. She told him "it is real" and "I love you" - and to her it seem everything that needed to be done.

I disagree completely. Well, I agree that she's being passive, but I think she's doing so BECAUSE of how well she knows Damon.

She is oblivious about Damon's inner insecurities

The very fact that she's not pushing, not fighting is telling me that she's very aware of Damon's insecurities and issues. She tried laying her heart out the night he found out, begging/pleading with him and then again at the lake house, and both times he essentially shut her down. At the boarding house, by refusing physicality with her, and at the lake house, by sending her away. She knows that until the sire bond is resolved, he won't fully believe and so she's just trying to show she loves him in small ways, by being there, by respecting his desire to not push because of the sire bond, believing fully that once it's resolved, he'll realize all along that he was loved.

"Why? Because Stefan did?" - was so obvious give away about how low he thinks about himself compared to Stefan. And again - she didn't paid attention.

I didn't see it that way at all. For me, it was her taking Stefan out of the equation because her feelings/opinions for Damon are about DAMON, not Stefan, not in relation or comparison to Stefan, but only DAMON. So when he brought up Stefan, she didn't not pay attention, she ignored it and focused on what WAS important -- her love for Damon and his love for her.

Or may be it's coming and I need to wait.

I believe we're already getting signs of that with Elena, but yes, I think it's going to happen. The thing is that how can they address issues, relationship-stuffies NOW when Damon doesn't/can't fully believe anything she says? We already have had some things dealt with on Elena's end, but until it's resolved, Damon won't go there because he believes deep down it isn't real. The discussion/exploration and dealing with what they are comes AFTER the bond is resolved.

I'm just affraid that I'm waiting for something that will never happen. (Like Stefan take responsibility for all his bad deeds and stop being concidered as a flawless by most of the characters)

But we are slowly getting set-up for Stefan taking responsibility. It's not going to happen in one episode or even one batch of episodes or by the end of one season. Everything is all in service, in play for a SIX-SEASON arc. And we've got two and half seasons left to go. And we are already seeing the other characters not seeing Stefan as flawless -- Elena and Bonnie both looked disgusted with him in that final scene, and Jeremy clearly is not a Stefan-fan.

cont.
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archangel_blood: Elena BAMFarchangel_blood on February 3rd, 2013 02:42 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed Stefan and Rebekah together, but yeah, I hope she doesn’t end up getting hurt again. (I’m looking at you, Stefan.)

I cheered at the face punch, ngl. And yes, Bonnie and Elena’s faces said it all. In fact, I strongly suspect that Elena would’ve punched Stefan herself, if Damon hadn’t.

I love Elena, girl is a total BAMF. Fuck off, fandom.

Oy vey! Jeremy screaming and then ripping off his shirt? Height of cheese, dudes. I legit laughed.

Hah, I know, it was so bad, it almost looked like it was intentionally bad. Only, it wasn’t. Giggling forever at this one.

Oh, the hug. My lovely, lovely OTP. Speaking of, it hurts my heart that Damon still believes Stefan is so much better than him.

Lol at Klaus being stuck in the Gilberts’ living room. That’s one interior design item that I think they could’ve done without.

All in all, this season continues to make me happy.
Arabian: Elena09arabian on February 4th, 2013 06:49 am (UTC)
I enjoyed Stefan and Rebekah together, but yeah, I hope she doesn’t end up getting hurt again. (I’m looking at you, Stefan.)

Ditto.

I cheered at the face punch, ngl. And yes, Bonnie and Elena’s faces said it all. In fact, I strongly suspect that Elena would’ve punched Stefan herself, if Damon hadn’t.

She was not happy with that. I mean, I don't deny that Damon pulling out the Rebekah-in-the-sheets card wasn't shitty, but it wasn't a low-blow. Damon deserved a snarky remark or censure (which is what Stefan gave him), but nothing more. Stefan's comment, though? So not cool.

I love Elena, girl is a total BAMF. Fuck off, fandom.

This. So glad I am mostly out of the fandom that would be giving her shit.

Hah, I know, it was so bad, it almost looked like it was intentionally bad. Only, it wasn’t. Giggling forever at this one.

Can't even think of it without grinning.

Oh, the hug. My lovely, lovely OTP. Speaking of, it hurts my heart that Damon still believes Stefan is so much better than him.

When he SO IS NOT! Oh, Damon. And, yes, such a sweet hug. :)

All in all, this season continues to make me happy.

This like A LOT!
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on February 3rd, 2013 10:37 pm (UTC)
Just one more thing, and it might be just me, but I seriously think Paul is kinda not into it acting wise. I don't know but there's just something off about him this season. He's sorta acting like Stefan but it's like an almost pod version of Stefan. He's not really all there for me. I don't know what it is about him, but he's just not bringing it like some of the other actors on the show like Jo Morgan, Nina, Kat, Ian, and even Steven.

It's probably just me, but I do love Paul though!
Arabian: Stefan01arabian on February 4th, 2013 12:12 am (UTC)
No, it's not just you. Paul Wesley has made it very clear in his interviews that he doesn't like playing Stefan as a good guy, he doesn't like Stefan/Elena, and that he isn't very happy. Unfortunately, I've seen it show more often than not in his performances going back to Stefan's return to the "good" side in the second half of last season. He still has moments, scenes, where he's great, and he's a good enough actor that even phoning it in, he's pretty darn good, but yeah, he hasn't exactly been giving it his all on a regular basis.
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Stefan/Rebekah dancing was awesome. Loved all the 80s references! I love that the gang is no longer working apart from each other but together. Also, Bonnie has a storyline! Sure, it's really close to Dark!Willow from "Buffy" but I don't care... plus, her Dad & Mom working together was GREAT! She's the only one left with both parents (though one is a vampire), and her Dad had legitimate reasons and concerns about Shane and the dance. GOOD parents, with a teen who is rebelling.

One thing that I wondered about... if there's vervain in the water now, how do vampires take a shower? Seriously, I thought about that during the show.

I didn't miss Tyler or Caroline at all - and I love Caroline. Hmm.

I was HAPPY Kol died and that Elena's plan worked! Go Elena, Jer... go Gilberts! Why are people upset about Kol getting killed off? He wasn't that great a character. People are all, "Elena should die, she killed my baby, I'm never watching this show again." REALLY? You're upset over Kol dying? I'd be upset if it was Rebekah, but Kol? Seriously, this fandom....

LOVED that we had a great action/tension-filled episode with double crosses and plans being formed.
Arabian: Elena03arabian on February 7th, 2013 03:04 am (UTC)
Yeah, even if I never really knew where Stefan stood, I can't not say that I didn't love every moment with him and Rebekah.

I don't think it's Dark!Willow like, I just think it's a witch turning to the dark side by trying to help which, yes, happened with Willow, but it's happened tons of times in tons of stories like forever because that's just a story writers are always going to go to with a young, good witch. I love what they're doing now with Bonnie though by adding the stuff with her parents and those issues. It's one of the things I love best about TVD, how they generally manage to bring true, character issues to the plots. I love it.

if there's vervain in the water now, how do vampires take a shower?

I know, right? We thought about that when the council suggested in 3.04. One thing is that as far as we know it's only been a few hours, so maybe none of the vamps showered yet? But, yeah, how's that gonna work long-term?

I didn't miss Tyler or Caroline at all - and I love Caroline. Hmm.

Yup! Dear Lord up in heaven above, get her away from this pairing. PLEASE!!!

Re: Kol -- He's not even that cute, and has barely been on the show, and NB is a lousy agtor. Whatevs, people!

This season is just rocking!