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25 January 2013 @ 06:38 am
4.11 - 'Catch Me If You Can' (The Vampire Diaries)  
The Vampire Diaries! Yay! Yes, Vickie, I give up. I’ll never say it again. Ever. I just have so much to say about this show, dangit! Nearly 5,000 words ya’ll. Geez!

Jumping right into it with my favorite character, Mr. Damon Salvatore, and his relationships. Not much to say about Damon and Elena since we didn't get much with them. We were denied a reunion of sorts with them, but considering all that was going on, it did make sense. And I did like that Elena gave Damon a bit of hell for what he did, and how he didn't cower but laid out his case. (Even a mini-one, these two give good fight.) And, you know, Damon was right. Klaus made it clear what he would do when he turned the pizza girl. So Damon went along with the least of Klaus' evil options. Some can say that Damon was complicit with what Klaus did, but you have a choice when you're complicit. Damon didn't have a choice. He went with the tribal mentality, protect and keep our own safe even if innocents are injured. The other option was that innocents get injured *and* their own become bait. And when Jeremy wouldn't go along with Klaus' plan that is exactly what happened. When Damon told Elena that he was trying to do the quickest, easiest way to get this done, he meant it.

Elena, of course, then told Damon essentially what she told Stefan -- I don't want the cure, if it means people I love get hurt. The difference in the responses is why I can see Damon's point of view over Stefan's. Stefan didn't take Jeremy or his safety (physical or mental) into account. Damon actually was, and told Elena after she said this that he would keep Jeremy safe. It still doesn't make what Damon is doing right, but in this situation, there is no right. Jeremy is a Hunter. He needs to kill vampires. Damon tried training him to get him ready to go after a vampire's nest -- which one presumes are choosing-to-be-nasty-vampires. Klaus wasn't willing to wait that long. So Damon made the best choice of a crop of lousy, lousy choices in a no-good situation.

The other Damon/Elena related-things were the sire-bond and compulsion-resistance. The first, again we saw Elena basically pooh-pooh it away. She rationally knows (or thinks she knows) that it's real, but it's quite obvious that really deep down she doesn't believe it matters. Does this mean she won't stay away from Damon in his cell? Nope, because whether she believes it or not, since the rational part of her brain is accepting its reality, she isn't going to put her brother's life at risk. What I did find interesting -- and notch this one in another 'the sire bond isn't real' column -- is how because of the possible danger to Jeremy's life, it was neat way to get around yet again testing the bond. Uh huh.

As for compulsion-resistance... I know that with this show a lot of times that arcs they have planned, they have to postpone because they have so much story. It happened with the full-on introduction of Tyler's werewolf story being moved from late season 01 to season 02. The Stefan/Katherine arc -- which I still believe is coming -- was postponed in season 02. Now, I think the compulsion resistance introduced early in season 03 -- which I thought would come into play towards the end of that season -- is now coming to the fore again. So, it looks like we're going to be getting that arc play out, which I'm excited about.

There were two things I noted with the inclusion here, the first is that I alternately love/hate how Damon's Stefan love was showing. When Elena said she believed he could resist the compulsion, Damon automatically rah-rah-rah-ed Stefan resisting the compulsion in comparison. I loved it because (a) any bro-love sign-age, I'm gonna love, and (b) Elena just completely ignored that comparison because she don't swing that way and instead made it about them ("Because I love you and you love me. Because I know that you'll do anything for me. So please do this for me."). I hated it because, dude, he was wrong. Just as Damon was unable to resist the compulsion, so was Stefan. The difference is that clearly Damon IS much stronger because his attempts to resist were way, way, way more controlled than Stefan's

When Stefan was explaining to Elena that he couldn't resist it, he was in near-tears, frustrated beyond all measure and once it came time to resist, he was lurching about like a drunken madman desperately fighting with himself, and of course, in the end wasn't able to resist it at all. On the other hand, Damon was calm as he told Jeremy that he couldn't resist it, warning him to run away and keep away. And both times that he got close to him, close enough that he could have easily killed Jeremy in two seconds, he didn't. He kept telling Jeremy to kill him. Over and over and over again. Finally, had Jeremy's blood not dropped, grabbing Damon (and Elena's) attention, it looked like Damon was actually this close to actually succeeding in resisting the compulsion. So yeah, it was love/hate, but mostly love.

Moving onto the other relationships with Damon in this episode, we had Damon and his three baby brothers, because, yeah, that's totally what Jeremy and Matt are to him now. First we'll hit on the real one. I LOVED the sole Damon/Stefan scene (well, not counting the neck-snap) -- yes, Stefan was kinda dick-ish, but he was dick-ish in a totally 'I love my brother, but I'm pissed at him' way that really was Damon's forte for much of seasons 01 and 02. Even as Damon was saying you're enjoying this and what-not, and Stefan was acting like he was, it didn't read to me as 'ooh, I'm having so much fun making my brother miserable,' but rather, 'haha, I'm the cool-in-control brother for once, booyah! Score one for the baby of the family!' I dunno, I just loved it and I loved how Paul played the scene. But, honestly, I pretty much loved how Paul played every scene. (But more on him when I talk about Stefan.)

Then there's Matt. At first, I was a bit upset with Matty in this episode as he was so anti-Damon, but upon reflection and rewatch, I realized that it wasn't so much that he was anti-Damon, but rather than he felt betrayed by Damon because he's actually *not* anti-Damon now, and you can see that in how he acts. He may say the words that indicates he thinks Damon's just the 'bad guy,' but his actions tell a different story. Take the first scene, Damon tells Jeremy to go to the car, he'll be behind him and says to Matt: "Both of you," and Matt looks at him in wide-eyed shock then around the room, but pretty much immediately responds because he *knows* that Damon will do what he can to protect him. That showed instinctive, automatic faith in Damon as his protector. And in their final scene, Matt was basically an insolent, little pup to Damon, but he did so without a hint of false bravado or fear... because he *knows* that there will be no reprisal. He knows that Damon won't hurt him, and if Damon was this terrible, big bad that Matt's words imply he thinks he is, he wouldn't risk payback.

And, of course, the reason Matt feels this way is because, again, without words, Damon has shown this to be true. In the bar, as soon as Klaus threatened Matt, Damon automatically protested, six months ago (show-time), Damon would've shrugged about it. Now, he was genuinely pissed off that Klaus was playing that card. Also, the next morning, even though he said it in an insulting, snarky way, the fact that Damon thought of the fact that Matt had to leave in order to be safe says something. And, of course, most telling... when Damon came upon Matt and Jeremy in the woods, Jeremy told Matt that they could make it to the house and be safe, Damon immediately wanted to know why Jeremy was choosing to run away. As soon as Jeremy said that Matt's life was in danger, Damon conceded without even the thought of an argument, and then put himself in potential harm's way (yeah, they were newbie vamps, but there were a *lot* of them) to keep Matt safe.

Which brings us to Damon and Jeremy. Not only did we see that Damon does care about Matt's safety in that moment, we also saw that Jeremy (like Elena) *expects* that Damon will do the "right" thing. He didn't even hesitate to explain that Matt's safety was paramount, and he absolutely expected that that would matter to Damon. And it did. Same as in the earlier scene in the bar where Jeremy was so upset that Damon hadn't kept Klaus from doing this... he was upset because he expected Damon to be able to stop Klaus. (Which, Jere, Damon's awesome and all that, but this is KLAUS we're talking about.) Also, last week, Jeremy kinda prodded at Damon about him not caring for Jeremy, and you could see that maybe Jeremy was trying to get some validation from Damon that he did indeed care aside from his feelings for Elena. However, this week, there was no maybe about it from where I stand. With the multiple times Jeremy prodded, it was pretty obvious this was the case. He wants Damon to acknowledge that he cares. I'm not saying that Jeremy is aware that this is why he's doing it, but it is SOOO why he's doing it.

So, yes, it's obvious, that, yes, Jeremy does care about Damon, despite, like Matt, him saying often enough that Damon can't be trusted, etc. We saw multiple examples of that in this episode. Aside from the seeking validation bits, there was also two other key moments that really brought it home. The first was when Kol had Damon. Jeremy could have easily just let Kol keep and kill Damon and not cared. But he didn't, instead he called Elena to let her know. OK, then, well, he did that because he knows that Elena loves Damon -- sire bond or not -- so he was thinking of his sister's feelings. However, that doesn't track either because of *how* he told Elena. He sounded worried, really, really worried with a totally 'we gotta save him!' vibe in his voice.

Then there was his reaction after he realized that Damon was going to try and kill him. In that store room, when he cocked his gun and turned to face the door knowing that it would be Damon coming through, he looked so upset and his hand was shaking. His poor, baby face! He so didn't want to do it. And we know definitively he didn't want to do it because even after being told repeatedly by Damon to kill him, even as Damon pointed out that as a Hunter, of course, he wanted to kill Damon... Jeremy didn't do it. Because he does care about Damon. And Damon obviously does care about him. He just isn't going to admit it at this point because that's not how Damon rolls.

He doesn't allow himself to be vulnerable, and admit he cares because he's been burned so many times, and because as he told Elena in "Heart of Darkness," if he lets people see the good in him, that creates expectations that he doesn't want to live up to (because, of course, he believes that he'll never be able to live up to anyone's good expectations). But he does care. We know that because he is doing his best to protect Jeremy, and he's trying to do it in a way that keeps Jeremy from mentally losing it (unlike Stefan's "My Brother's Keeper" method). He's putting himself in danger without thought to save Jeremy, like him going after Kol and telling Jeremy to run knowing there was no way he'd last long against Kol.

Then later, when Kol was making Damon torture himself, he tried to get Damon to admit that he wanted Jeremy dead, but Damon wasn't having any of it. "Nope," he said. And there were two other key scenes that made it clear how much Damon does care about Jeremy. Kol compelled Damon to find Jeremy and kill him, but he also compelled him to not remember what Kol wanted him to do. So, Damon asks Elena where Jeremy is because he has to find him (per the unremembered compulsion), but because he doesn't remember why he wants to find Jeremy when Elena asks him, naturally he knows that he needs to find him, doesn't know why, so his brain automatically supplied a reason. And that reason? To apologize to Jeremy for being so hard on him. Say it with me: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! See, he *does* care!

The other key moment was in the scene with Kol. I mentioned in the write-up for "The New Deal" that "I love how when Damon's loved ones (ie, Elena and Alaric) are in danger from someone in a wary situation, he does the moving in front of them for protection thing. [...] I love that move of Damon's. :)) How Damon stands to move in front of people he cares about to keep them safe. It started with Elena, but he also did it with Ric."

And now, he's doing it with Jeremy.


All of this is to say that I genuinely believe this is leading to something, likely a bonding thing (!), with them towards the end of the season. In fact, if Damon does "die," I'm expecting it now to be in the course of saving Jeremy's life... which would be a lovely parallel to "killing" Jeremy in "The Return." Oh right, which Stefan referenced in this episode.

Speaking of Stefan, as I said above, I loved pretty much how Paul Wesley played every Stefan moment, and I loved just about every Stefan moment (but for one thing) in this episode. Of course, that's easy to say because I love Stefan. I love him, I love him, I love him, and I am sad at seeing all of the Stefan-hate, even from people who previously liked him. :( See for me I get that he's being a dick and an asshole, but I get totally why! And I don't think he's being any more of a dick and an asshole than Damon has been in the past, and I understood why Damon did so. Same with Stefan. He and Elena broke up. Less than 24 hours later, she was doing the wild fandango with his brother. Period. Yes, you can pull out all the extenuating circumstances you want... Damon and Elena had been falling in love for over a year now, and once she was free, of course, it was going to burst out. Stefan left them alone in that big empty house. The sire bond (if you believe it's real) was in play. All very true (or maybe true in the case of the sire bond, meh). It doesn't matter. She and Stefan broke up. Less than 24 hours later, she was having sex with his brother. That's bad. That's really bad.

I love Elena. I'm not judging her. I don't think she's a slut. I love Damon. I'm not judging him. I don't think he's a terrible brother. But I love Stefan too. I'm not judging him. I don't think he's a bad brother, or an awful person for being pissy and pissed-off and mean to Elena and hating on Damon. I get it. Of course, he's going to be upset. Of course, he's going to be pissed off. It's been a week or so. And during that week, in between finding out that she slept with his brother, he got the compelled, unvarnished truth that while, sure, she loves him, she's not in love with him anymore... but she's in love with Damon. And Damon is exciting and makes her feel free, and Stefan made her feel like broken toy that needed to be fixed. Whether he did it or not (and I think it's safe to say that anyone reading my reviews of the episodes believes he did), he never intended to do so. And intentions do matter.

So I get completely why Stefan is acting the way he's acting, and I don't care if he's being a dick and an asshole, I get it, and I get him and I love him still. And he was pretty awesome in this episode. Except for the scene with Elena, but, I get why he acted that way. Going back to "Before Sunset," we could pretty much figure out that Elena was afraid to pick Damon because she knew she would lose Stefan. On the other hand, she knew that if she picked Stefan, Damon would still be there. This scene proved that she was absolutely right, and I think it was also really telling about Elena's mindset with regards to the brothers, and especially Damon, pre-Stefan-break-up. Damon joked about it often enough, but it was totally true: Elena had two boyfriends. She had Stefan, and she had her sexless-keep-at-arm's-length boyfriend, Damon. Because Damon was *always* there for her. Like a boyfriend. If she needed someone to listen, a shoulder to cry on, someone she could let it all out with no fear of pushing away, someone to help her, protect her, cheer her up, just be there for her... like a boyfriend, she had not only Stefan, but Damon as well.

So even though we know that in her heart of hearts she knew that if she chose Damon, she'd lose Stefan, I don't think until this moment, she really quite grasped how it would play out. Because she did to Stefan two things in this episode that she ALWAYS did with Damon when she and Stefan were the couple. Someone she cared about (in this case, Jeremy) was in trouble, her official boyfriend was unavailable (or part of the problem), and so she called her unofficial boyfriend. In the past, the official boyfriend was Stefan, the unofficial was Damon. And when she called Damon, Damon didn't question, Damon didn't need to be convinced, Damon just dropped what he was doing and did whatever he had to do to help her. Like a good boyfriend. Now, Damon's the official one and Stefan's the unofficial one -- or so Elena thought even without realizing it. So she called Stefan, expecting that he would come and help. His non-response made her believe that he wouldn't, and her expression showed the first sign of distress over this.

But he did help. So, OK then, she's got her unofficial (albeit a different one) back. This is not to say AT ALL that I think this is intentional behavior on Elena's part or that she realizes even remotely that this is what she is doing. She does not; this is just how the relationship with the brothers has played out for almost the entire time she's known them. It makes perfect sense that she would imagine -- without thinking it through -- that things would be the same even with the brothers reversed. However, that's not how it's going to be... which we saw in scene two, that final scene where Elena told Stefan that he was hurt, he was lashing out with Rebekah because she hurt him. It really struck me that she was talking to Stefan, the same tone of voice, the look in her eyes, the body language that she always used with Damon when she was being a "friend" to him, trying to get through to him and make him be "the better man." Talking to him not as someone she was in love with, but as someone that she cared about and didn't want to see hurting. And *that* is how she spoke to Stefan.

However, Stefan's response was different from Damon's. When she spoke to Damon like that he had one of two reactions. He either melted, or had an angry, 'I'm acting all-bad-ass and pissed-off to hide my hurt' attitude. Either way, it was obvious that she affected him, she was getting to him. Stefan, on the other hand, was cold, throwing her 'I'm not in love with you' words back in her face. And that's why she looked hurt and betrayed. Because she realized that by being with Damon, she really has lost Stefan. Being with Stefan, she never lost Damon. But she has lost Stefan now. And that hurts. It's not fair, because, again less than 24 hours after breaking up with Stefan, she was riding his brother for all he's worth, but hurt is not always fair or rational.

On the other hand, I don't judge Stefan as less than Damon for not sticking by Elena even though she's with the other brother for two reasons. Firstly, Stefan is inherently selfish, which I do believe is due to the chosen one status, whereas Damon is inherently selfless because he's used to never being chosen, so he's basically been trained to accept what scraps he can get. Secondly, and more importantly, Damon never had Elena when he was being all selfless and standing by while she was with his brother. He didn't know what it was like to be with her, to be loved by her. Stefan does, and so he's coming from a completely different point of view than Damon. So, no, I don't judge Stefan, or hate him, or think less of him. I just think that this is all part of Stefan's journey, and I'm excited to see where it goes.

And I'm curious to see what part Rebekah will play in it. I don't think this whole 'no feelings' things is going to last very long because regardless of the fact that Stefan loves Elena and Rebekah has feelings for Matt, these two *were* in love before and they ended well before falling out of love. So it will be interesting to see where things go with those two. Alas, I'm at the point where I'm so in love with Stefan and Caroline, and Matt and Rebekah that I can't really enjoy Stefan and Rebekah as I would have post "The End of the Affair." And doubly-alas, I’m didn't really enjoy the making out because while these two have great, great romantic chemistry, oh boy, the sexual chemistry (and kissing-style) was just not there. I just didn't find it hot at all. Ah well. Still, I really, really did enjoy their scenes (aside from the sex) because, yes, indeed, Paul and Claire Holt do have fantastic romantic chemistry, and I love how we are exploring different sides of Stefan with Rebekah. I like!

I also like because Stefan moving on physically with someone else represents a turning point in my eyes in the potential-non-reunion of Stefan and Elena. One of the signs of their twu wuv foreva that Stefan/Elena fans have touted is that Stefan has remained "pure" (excuse me while I roll my eyes) for Elena, never engaging in dirty sexual shenanigans like Damon did. Well, Stefan is a dirty, dirty boy now. Tsk, tsk. So that alongside Elena treating Stefan as she did Damon before she was in love with him are very good harbingers, I think, that we really aren't going down the Stefan/Elena road again.

OK, then, randoms --

- I'm quite intrigued by Bonnie's story and what's going on now. I like that she really is this uber-powerful witch, and how we're seeing the "dark side" that was hinted at in "Before Sunset" and "Growing Pains," begin to come in play... and I really, really love that what is bringing her into the fold is love. Love for her Grams. I also liked that it wasn't making eye contact with her dad and being moved by his pleas that broke her witchy goings-on because I would not have bought that. However, establishing that Shane uses trigger words to hypnotize was potentially very good information to know. I will be curious to see if we see Shane repeat any phrases in any upcoming scenes with Elena that we heard him use at the lake house with her there. Uh huh.

- Hallelujah! The previously on... was not cheesy for the first time. Yay!

- Fantastic direction/intercutting between the bar scene and the vampire-chase in the pre-title sequence. Really well-done by well-known indie film noir director, John Dahl (The Last Seduction, Red Rock West). He's directed some earlier TVD episodes, but this was the strongest from him by far, I thought.

- Erm, so why did Elena wait until the morning to clean up Matt's bloody neck, LOL? And, uhm, couldn't Matt have done that himself?

- Just randomly I found myself really, really enjoying Joseph Morgan and everything he chose to do in this episode. It just really struck me, especially in the scene with Elena. There was this one point where he slightly straightened up and lowered his head a little, looking at her straight-on and it was just a powerful little gesture. Loved it.

- Man, Damon's "at least let my see Elena," to Stefan in that final scene... Gah! The way Ian delivered it just slayed me, broke my heart and made go wheee! all at the same time.

- Speaking of Matt, at first I was ready to be really annoyed when Matt started to tell Elena that "the old you wouldn't..." about Elena because I was like, 'Lord, help me, we're not going down the deluded Stefan and Caroline road of how much Elena has changed' are we? But nope, he didn't. He's never seen Elena, Damon and Jeremy. Alaric is really the only one who ever saw the little family unit that they did kinda create, so it would make sense -- that aside from her feelings for Damon which Matt is aware of -- that he would question her putting Jeremy's life in Damon's hands. And again, this was a Matt who was feeling freshly betrayed by Damon. So I was cool with it.

- When I first watched it, I thought that Nathaniel Buzolic (Kol) did a terrible job. Upon rewatch, it wasn't as bad as I remembered, but it still wasn't very good at all. I remember thinking he was OK with his previous appearances where he only had one or two lines to string together, but the full monologues? Yeah, guy really brings down the acting caliber of this show. Hell, he makes Phoebe Tonkin look pretty good in comparison. Yikes.

- With that said, I did like how they brought up the whole 'friendship' with Jeremy from Denver.

- I can't say I was totally thrown by Kol compelling Damon to kill Jeremy because I've actually made up stories with that happening, but it was always the tail-end of the season, Klaus doing the compelling, and Damon overriding the compulsion, so, yeah, it was still surprising. And I liked that twist. I'm thinking that Kol is going to wind up daggered back in the box because (a) Klaus did threaten him with that, and (b) the plan to kill Kol is Elena's... and uhm, yeah, that's pretty much reason enough why one would imagine it would fail.

- Damon is just so freaking awesome. Even when torturing himself, on the verge of possibly dying, recovering from a bullet to the head, he still snarks with the best of them. My favorite line of the night and it was all due to Ian Somerhalder's as-always splendiferous delivery was after the afore-mentioned bullet to the head. "He shot me in the head. Stupid, idiot, border-line brain dead moron." I laughed SO HARD at that. Rewound it, watched it again, and laughed my fool-head off all over again. SO HILARIOUS!

- Claire Holt is beautiful and talented and awesome and her Rebekah is a complete and utter goddess. I seriously worship this character. I love how we got the whole spiel from her about learning to give up on love, blah, blah, blah and then hours later, she's all heartbroken because Kol was going to kill her. The character Rebekah is most like on this show, I think, is Damon. Which is why they would be a horrible match, but why she and Elena should eventually get over the 'you killed me thing' and become BFFs! Totally.

- So, sarcasticcheese and I had speculated that if an Original was killed (GOD! PLEASE, NO! NOT REBEKAH!), since all of their sired offspring would die, would that speed up the Hunter's mark, so it was nice seeing Elena think of that too. Girl's got smarts.

- You know who else has smarts? Damon. I love, love, love that even though Kol compelled Damon to not remember what he said to do, it took Damon about five seconds to realize exactly what Kol compelled him to do. That's my boy!

- Hmm, OK, so according to Rebekah and Stefan, we've got Team!Klaus - who include Klaus, Damon, Elena and Jeremy, Team!Shane -- who include Shane, Bonnie, possibly Hayley if they know about her, and Team!Stefan/Rebekah - who would totally include Caroline even if she hates Rebekah, because she loves Stefan, and possibly Tyler because he hates Klaus and, duh, Caroline. So, yes, who is the mysterious-tongue-chomping(ooh!gross!)-self-stabbing minion of Team!Four?!?! Hmmm............. Seriously, things that make you go hmmmm.

- Speaking of Caroline and Stefan... so, yeah, she hates Rebekah. I wonder what her reaction will be to Stefan being *with* Rebekah now. She's been all judgmental about Elena with Damon because she hates Damon and Damon is the EVUL! So, what will her reaction be to Stefan being with Rebekah... who she hates and believes is another the EVUL?! I do wonder.

- Great, great title of the episode. I generally am not enamored of their episode title choices, this one was tops!

- ETA: prettygirl5130 reminded me -- yeah, there's something up with those herbs for sure. The fact that we had another reference to them? Uh huh.

- Lastly, to end on a note of Stefan love, because, damnit, I LOVE STEFAN SALVATORE! After he snapped Damon's neck, and then met Elena's horrified expression, his cooler-than-cool "You're welcome" was awesome. A thing of beauty! Oh, Stefan, I love you so. :)

Overall, an action-packed, well-executed episode with lots of fun twists and turns. And I gotta say, I'm completely flummoxed as to where this is all going. There are so many pieces up in the air, I'm very excited to see how this all winds up playing out. Whee!!!
 
 
 
hotarujazz: hands and dance 4x07hotarujazz on January 25th, 2013 12:20 pm (UTC)
Well, we disagree on Stefan but what else is new? My problem with Stefan is that he is emotionally abusive to Elena even when they aren't together. He is constantly guilt-tripping her and emotionally manipulating her. And he has every right to feel hurt, just not surprised AND like he is the victim here. He is acting like he is blameless(one thing I also can't forgive) in their relationship when he carries large amount of blame. I'm sorry but one thing Damon always did is take responsibility for his actions. It's also one thing Stefan never does. So I rather forget that Stefan exists right now if you don't mind, especially after that god-awful sex scene with Rebekah. I will admit that I find Stefan's behavior a little triggering so that colors my observations and feelings towards him!
Elena was the queen this episode! Damon was the king! And their little brother(adopted son) its prince! It made me cry just how much Jeremy and Damon really love each other independently of Elena. I have no words for that except. AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Elena and Damon are a unit and it showed in this episode more then ever before. Even when they disagree they are a unit.
Matt and Elena thing annoyed me because Matt WAS present in this episode the two times Damon literally wanted to save him. And he was present see dynamics between Damon and Elena(and Jeremy). It was perfectly in character for Elena to be trusting Damon with Jeremy. Also, I was pissed on behalf of Elena, no one is in her corner and I have faith Matt was going to be.
Believe it or not, this episode was actually my favorite this season! :D

Edited at 2013-01-25 01:12 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon&Matt02arabian on January 25th, 2013 05:45 pm (UTC)
I'm not in any way excusing what an unhealthy boyfriend Stefan was in many ways to Elena, however... he didn't know any better. And he didn't know any better because until Elena told him that THIS go-round he treated her like a broken toy, not only did no one call him on the unhealthy way he treated Elena (for the most part), he was praised by everyone and their brother as being the most most awesome boyfriend. Including by his brother. Who was the the only responsible for the "for the most part." Because, yes, Damon did point out that Stefan was more worried about feelings and collateral damage than keeping Elena alive, but at the same time, he also talked Stefan up to Elena every chance he got.

So I see it as yet another part of the necessary growth for Stefan. He can't change to become a better, healthier person until he realizes that he's been handling things badly, and making wrong choices.

The reason the Matt thing didn't bother me is because of circumstances -- and again, I was upset too the first time I watched it -- it was only after talking about it and a rewatch that I felt better about it. Yes, Damon's actions mostly showed that he would save Jeremy and Matt, but his words spoke differently, and well, Jeremy and Matt's words may have shown they were pissed and distrusting of Damon, but their actions spoke differently. As for Damon and mostly, well, fair or not, it's obvious the boys DO think Damon is totally bad-ass, and I don't think they quite realize that as awesome as Damon is, he can't control/thwart Klaus when Klaus is like them. So they weren't looking at the fact that Klaus was running this show, but rather that the bad-ass Damon let them down... because clearly they expected that Damon COULD have controlled/thwarted Klaus. And that shows just how awesome they do think Damon is.

no one is in her corner

Damon is! :D And we're gonna get there with others, I'm sure.
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bangel_4e: oliviaflowerbangel_4e on January 25th, 2013 12:25 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed this review so much, mainly cause it reflects what I think as well.

I absolutely love how you describe Damon and explain his actions and stuff cause that's exactly how I think of him. And to see that another person feels the way I do is really great. Most people just look at his actions and don't even bother to go deeper, which is key in TVD.
The Jeremy/Damon don't care/do care thing was played out beautifully and I love how people kept telling Damon doesn't care about Jer and he made sure times and times again he would have the chance to save himself. Plus, I loved the whole comparison between Stefan going around the compulsion in season 3 and Damon doing the same here.

One point where we disagree: I thought Stefan/Rebekah was kinda hot. I mean, we're used to Delena hotness so it doesn't shine in comparison but for me, it wasn't so bad.
I'm so curious to know where we're going with this..I'd love to see these two together...and even more. I'd really like to see what Stelena fans would react now cause as you said, they went on and on about Stefan being all good...and I also remember them saying a person doesn't have sex with another girl he's not in love with... O.O

Btw, I also caught how Elena looked exactly liked when she talked to Damon-friend in the scene with Stefan. She's so worried, afraid he's gonna lose it.

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Arabian: Elena09arabian on January 25th, 2013 05:51 pm (UTC)
*sigh* Yeah, it is awesome when you have certain thinky thoughts about a character and find that someone sees it exactly in the same way. :nods:

My thing with Stefan/Rebekah is totally on Paul Wesley. I think he's a really lousy on-screen kisser. He strikes me as really uncomfortable with the love scene aspect of acting, and it shows. When trying to do the passionate thing, it just looks like he's mashing his mouth against his partner's in a way to convey passion but really just wants to get it done with. :shrugs:

I don't really care about Stefan/Elena fans, but I imagine there will be much gnashing of teeth before delusion settles it again and they come up with some explanation for it. It was the same when before Stefan pulled his crap in season 03 and even parts of this season that were comparatively in Damon's wheelhouse of bad... 'how can you want Damon with Elena? He's so terrible! Stefan would never!' And then when Stefan did.. there's all this justification for his actions that were never in play for Damon. People see what they want to see.

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(Anonymous) on January 25th, 2013 12:41 pm (UTC)

Hi my first post here.

I love reading your posts and I really "envy" the love you still have for the show!! because I honestly I don´t know how I feel about the show right now and not very optimistic as for DE.

It´s obvious that the show loves parallels and I have the feeling that deep down what they want to do with SE in the three(??) seasons left is what they did with DE in the first three seasons. I personally don´t see SE over in fact I think that they are giving them the journey or the bonding that SE lacked from the beginning to make that couple a very valid option again as a love relationship. About DE, I don´t know to be honest. I am afraid that with this couple is all about dragging out dragging out all the time just to keep us interested, and see what happens but I don´t know if DE will have the pay off in the end and at the same time make it believable.

Sorry for not being very optimistic.lol
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)01arabian on January 25th, 2013 06:05 pm (UTC)
But they can't do with S/E what they did with D/E because it's a completely different place. Damon/Elena have spent three years in a foundation building-friendship growing, passionately connected, falling in love relationship where they know each other in and out. Stefan and Elena spent two seasons solid, and then a third and a quarter of a fourth falling out of love, realizing that everything they thought about their relationship that was so great wasn't quite. And that is still playing out. They don't know who the other really is, and finding out is proving that they don't mesh. Julie mentioned a while back that this show's journey is about Stefan's to self-love and Damon's to romantic-love.... that pretty much does signal that Damon gets the girl, and Stefan gets himself (which he desperately needs).

I have to say with this point of view, I'm not sure why you watch that show still, and I'm sorry for that because it's a brilliant show and Damon/Elena are one of the most interesting, complete and beautifully nuanced romances I've ever seen. You stuck around with the show when Elena was in love with Stefan and was with him for three years, but now that Elena is in love with Damon and wants to be with him and we're actually seeing forward progress with that, you're not sure how you feel about the show? I'm sorry, but I don't get it.

Every single MAJOR moment has been given to Damon and Elena. Every single one. And the show has been systematically shredding Stefan and Elena. It always made sense to me that Damon/Elena would get the last three years, since Stefan/Elena got the first three years, BUT that there would be obstacles and hard times because THAT is how you write for THE couple. And since Damon and Elena are still being kept apart and having obstacles, that shows that the show is still telling their story.

And taking the off-camera stuff into account... Ian Somerhalder and Damon are by far the most popular on the show, all TV logic dictates then that HIS character get the happy ending that his fans want, and his character's happy ending is with Elena. Furthermore, Damon and Elena are by far the most popular couple on the show, all TV logic -- paired with the fact that Damon/Elena get all the big moments and have had this incredibly nuanced, well-crafted, well-founded love story -- dictates that Damon and Elena get the happy at the end.

I just don't see how anyone can watch this show with an unbiased point of view and not see that this is the case. And, yes, I can be and am unbiased when looking at this. In the past, I've had my period of hope that with couples I love trying to see where it could/would happen with them, but looking at the storytelling with an unbiased eye, it's obvious when they aren't going there, so I've stepped back, seen the writing on the wall and walked away... because there is a logic and a reasoning to how these things play out. Damon/Elena are the logical and reasoned choice for THE couple based on all laws of TV-land.

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Bogwitch: TVD - Stefanbogwitch on January 25th, 2013 01:10 pm (UTC)
The show continues to tease me with Matt peril. It's not fair!

I don't have a lot else to say, only I understand Stefan's behaviour as well. Breaks ups are painful and people behave appallingly when they are hurt. Damon and Elena weren't really respectful to that.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on January 25th, 2013 06:06 pm (UTC)
You and Matt, me and Tyler. I know, I know.

I understand Stefan's behaviour as well. Breaks ups are painful and people behave appallingly when they are hurt. Damon and Elena weren't really respectful to that.

Yup, not to say that I don't understand Damon and Elena's points of view too, but yes, to rail against Stefan and talk about how tool-y and dick-ish he is, I just don't think is fair, because, yeah...dude! Less than 24 hours, peeps!

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Cassandra Elise: bones not amusedcassandra_elise on January 25th, 2013 02:36 pm (UTC)
I was not a fan of all the Damon-hate this episode. Stefan's hate for his brother I understood, and I totally saw how the two brothers had switched personalities from their season one selves, which I thought was a cool parallel. I also liked the Stefan and Rebekah scenes. I still think it would be awesome if Caroline and Stefan hooked up, but I'm completely fine with Rebekah/Stefan in the meantime. :)

But Jeremy and Matt's anti-Damon stances were pissing me off! As you pointed out, Damon was showing how protective he was of both of them as they tried to outwit and outrun first Klaus and then Kol. And Damon really had no choice but to go along with Klaus's plan, which anyone with a lick of sense would have seen. If Damon would have disagreed with Klaus, the Original would've killed him without hesitation and THEN implemented his evil plan to grow Jeremy's mark. So what was safer? Damon playing along with Klaus, being there if the situation got dangerous, or ignoring Klaus's wishes and endangering everyone's lives?

I also was annoyed with all of Jeremy's whining, "you only care about me because of my sister." Well, DUH, Jeremy! That's what good boyfriends do: they take care of their girlfriend's family. Why are you complaining about that? At least Damon's concern is better than Stefan's indifference. *facepalm*

Something I found interesting and (perhaps it's foreshadowing?): Damon almost got killed A LOT of different times this episode. Is one of these killings going to stick in a future episode?!? And if yes, how is Damon going to come back? Through Silas?
Arabian: Damon01arabian on January 25th, 2013 06:12 pm (UTC)
But Jeremy and Matt's anti-Damon stances were pissing me off!

But they shouldn't. It's really the same thing with Damon as it is with Matt and Jeremy.

As you pointed out, Damon was showing how protective he was of both of them

Yes, Damon's actions mostly showed that he would save Jeremy and Matt, but his words spoke differently. Well, by the same token, Jeremy and Matt's words may have shown they were pissed and distrusting of Damon, but their actions spoke differently. They did listen to him, they did do what he said, followed his words, and Jeremy pointing out that Matt's life was in danger without a doubt that it would matter to Damon proved that very point. As for Damon and mostly, well, fair or not, it's obvious the boys DO think Damon is totally bad-ass, and I don't think they quite realize that as awesome as Damon is, he can't control/thwart Klaus when Klaus is like them. So they weren't looking at the fact that Klaus was running this show, but rather that the bad-ass Damon let them down... because clearly they expected that Damon COULD have controlled/thwarted Klaus. And that shows just how awesome they do think Damon is.

Again, it's actions vs words. Like with Damon, his actions showed he cared, even if his words told a different story. With Matt and Jeremy, their actions showed they trusted Damon and knew deep-down he was looking out for them, even if their wordstold a different story.

As for Jeremy, again, that was just a little boy yearning for approval -- a boy who lost his father, his uncle and then his 'guardian.' He just wants Damon to be there for him and make him feel that he wants to be there for him. Poor, little orphan Jeremy.

RE: Damon and death... yeah, I'm pretty much thinking Damon is going to "die" this season for real, and yeah, Silas may be the key to bringing him back.


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prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on January 25th, 2013 04:30 pm (UTC)
Wonderful review! I also totally agree ahout how awesome Stefan was in this episode. I think that last scene between Stefan and Elena held so much meaning becasue it wasn't just Stefan acting hurt and trying to throw Elena for a loop with his words but it was also him admitting for the first time that yes while he was with Elena romantically he would often do and say things to please her and gain her approval. This was the first time where he said "you don't know me when i'm not in love with you." I think that was just so significant and a huge step for Stefan's character development. It's going to be a hard pill to swallow from Elena's side because she has never seen Stefan act like this when he wasn't labeling himself as a Ripper. She's going to be worried and I hope as time goes on she'll realize that their relationship was so much a fantasy that they don't even really know each other all that well.

It's becoming more and more obvious that Shane is controlling a lot of these people. He is totally controlling Bonnie and that guy that came into the office was filled with vervain so he couldn't be compelled. It was probably Shane hypnotising some guy to have him grab that rock before anyone else can get it. I don't think it was any vampire, I think it was all Shane. Notice how Stefan and Rebekah were smoking those herbs Bonnie brougth to girls' night in 4.8...I do wonder if Rebekah kind of compelled Stefan to stop caring about Elena and what everyone else is doing. i don't think that's what happened necessarily, but I think the question is there for the viewer to ask.

I gotta comment on Matt, because I have been seeing a ton of Matt hate and I loved what you said about how Matt does trust Damon and he does feel a bit betrayed that Damon just won't admit that he cares no matter what Elena may feel. I do think he had a point when he was talking about the bond though because Elena was very firm that she didn't want the cure once she got to the lakehouse but then as soon as Damon talked her down she left Jeremy there with Damon, something she didn't want to do. Now, of course we know as viewers that Elena does trust Damon and that Damon will protect Jeremy at all costs, but I think from Matt's POV if makes sense that he would look at Elena and say, "you know you've been so protective of JEremy in the past and now you're choosing to just walk away and let others take over? It's kind of weird....maybe it's because you're bonded to Damon and that's why you've been so lenient when it comes to what Damon is doing." It makes sense from Matt's POV and maybe it'll get Elena to look at her choices and maybe figure out what's her and what's the bond.

I was annoyed that NO ONE was really listeneing to Elena when she said she didn't want the cure. NO ONE! Everyone was blaming everything on the bond. So I actually like that it's pushing Elena to own her choices and make her own plans to do what she wants to do. Her plan with Klaus and her admission that she wants to destroy the cure are good examples of that.
Cassandra Elise: doctor/rose oh yescassandra_elise on January 25th, 2013 06:00 pm (UTC)
It's becoming more and more obvious that Shane is controlling a lot of these people. He is totally controlling Bonnie and that guy that came into the office was filled with vervain so he couldn't be compelled. It was probably Shane hypnotising some guy to have him grab that rock before anyone else can get it. I don't think it was any vampire, I think it was all Shane.

I agree. I think it was Shane who was behind that suicide victim, especially since the writers/director made a point of showing Shane hypnotizing Bonnie at the beginning of the episode. Obviously he has strong powers of suggestion.
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alkja: pic#93120746alkja on January 25th, 2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
It makes perfect sense that she would imagine -- without thinking it through -- that things would be the same even with the brothers reversed. However, that's not how it's going to be...

God, I loved your analysis.

This few eps have really been about highlighting the differences about the brothers about their relationship with Elena: Damon on his deathbed was ok with all the pain he had just for the chance of meeting Elena even without having her love, Stefan wanted to cut off all about her the moment she wasn't his anymore. Damon played co-parent to Jeremy for the last seasons, still tried to manage an unmanageable situation to make it the less painful possible and called for his own death to spare Jer, Stefan fucked with his sanity willy-nilly. chosen or not, Damon was a phonecall away in an emergency, Stefan's a step away from asking "What's in it for me?" (actually, Elena did tell him to think about the cure so maybe she realizes this...)

he was upset because he expected Damon to be able to stop Klaus. (Which, Jere, Damon's awesome and all that, but this is KLAUS we're talking about.)

Word! I mean, I keep reading posts about Damon plotting with Klaus and I'm "Uh, it's Klaus? Kinda like an Act Of God? You can't fight him, you can't kill him, you cannot compell him and you cannot persuade him... WTF was Damon supposed to do, except deal with him?"

With the multiple times Jeremy prodded, it was pretty obvious this was the case. He wants Damon to acknowledge that he cares.

Really, Jeremy is kind of adorable in his teenage boy pricklishness. He's basically saying all over the place: "Please, please love me! Please, please, say that you love me! I desperately need/want a badass big brother an I've sorta imprinted on/chosen you to be it, so adopt me and teach me and care for me and rely on me and be a family with me and Elena!"

"He shot me in the head. Stupid, idiot, border-line brain dead moron."

Pure gold. He was seriously pissed that Jeremy hadn't killed him! Almost outraged, like maybe half of him was "Damn, I still could kill him" but maybe another half was "Damn, didn't I teach him anything? You so get an F on Hunting, Jer."

Speaking of Caroline and Stefan... so, yeah, she hates Rebekah. I wonder what her reaction will be to Stefan being *with* Rebekah now.

Sadly, I'm bracing myself for her to blame Elena in a "Look what you did! You broke his heart and you drove him back to that evil skank's arms!" That said, I feel for Rebekah the most: she totally deserves better than Stefan...
Arabian: Jeremy01arabian on January 25th, 2013 06:22 pm (UTC)
This few eps have really been about highlighting the differences about the brothers about their relationship with Elena

Yup. With that said, I still can't hate on Stefan for it, because I truly don't believe that he realized how crappy a boyfriend he was in many ways, LOL!

I keep reading posts about Damon plotting with Klaus and I'm "Uh, it's Klaus? Kinda like an Act Of God? You can't fight him, you can't kill him, you cannot compell him and you cannot persuade him... WTF was Damon supposed to do, except deal with him?"

I know!! I read this review that said that while Damon may not have killed those innocents in the bar, he was complicit with Klaus. NO, HE FUCKING WASN'T! He didn't have a choice. Damon is NOT the boss of Klaus. He's not even his partner with equal or even slightly-less-than-equal say in the manner. It's Klaus' world, and Damon just had to go along. GEEZ!

. He's basically saying all over the place: "Please, please love me! Please, please, say that you love me! I desperately need/want a badass big brother an I've sorta imprinted on/chosen you to be it, so adopt me and teach me and care for me and rely on me and be a family with me and Elena!"

Yes, yes, yes! I know. It really was totally adorable. Aww! I ♥ Damon and Jeremy. And I love that Damon is totally beginning to feel the same -- see gif of him protecting Jeremy. I loves it so!

He was seriously pissed that Jeremy hadn't killed him! Almost outraged, like maybe half of him was "Damn, I still could kill him" but maybe another half was "Damn, didn't I teach him anything? You so get an F on Hunting, Jer."

OMG! This, so much this. Only Damon would be cranky and pissed off that someone didn't kill him because they were being stupid to not kill him at that point, LOL!

RE: Caroline, I don't think she'll blame Elena. I really don't. (But again, like Stefan, I still love Caroline, so... yeah.)
eolivet on January 25th, 2013 06:22 pm (UTC)
Am I the only one who thought the minion might've actually sent by Shane himself -- to get the tombstone and move it to a different location? The precision in which the guy just destroyed himself spoke to someone with a lot of control. I don't think an Original (save possibly Elijah) would've been so specific. "Find the tombstone, and if you can't find it, kill yourself." But the guy bit out his tongue first -- that's...yikes... :/

he doesn't remember why he wants to find Jeremy when Elena asks him, naturally he knows that he needs to find him, doesn't know why, so his brain automatically supplied a reason.

Ah, I read that differently -- as "Damon obviously doesn't want to tell Elena that he needs to find her brother to kill him." It sounded like a lie, not a rationalization.

DAMN, Shane is good. I mean, evil. I mean, good. I've never seen someone less afraid when there were flames licking at their heels (it's why I wouldn't have put it past him to have hypnotized the guy into self-destructing).

And you're right, Kol's accent distracts us from how bland he is. I mean, talk about someone who puts nothing into line delivery -- especially Klaus and Rebekah seem to revel in their mischief. Kol just sounds bored by it.

I loved Stefan here, too -- but I did think of you when he brought up what Damon did to Jeremy. :( Though Paul Wesley should never say "crazy sex" ever...it's just not convincing, not even with Rebekah. ;p

GREAT episode!!! :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on January 25th, 2013 06:36 pm (UTC)
Am I the only one who thought the minion might've actually sent by Shane himself

No, a few others thought that as well, but I don't. I did at first, but now I'm not so sure that it was Shane. I think there is another party as Stefan and Rebekah speculated because that guy was in Shane's office, looking for what Shane had hid. Yeah, he seemed to have an idea of where it was, but he didn't know EXACTLY where it was and Shane would have told him exactly where it was. As well hidden as it was, Shane wouldn't want that out and about and found, so I don't think he's working for Shane. He might be, but we weren't given any indication as to why at that moment, while being held in custody, that Shane would want the tombstone removed from its very safe hiding place.

"Damon obviously doesn't want to tell Elena that he needs to find her brother to kill him." It sounded like a lie, not a rationalization.

Ah, but you're forgetting a VERY important thing. Damon didn't KNOW that. Kol compelled him to forget that. Damon didn't know (at that point) that Kol had compelled him to find Jeremy and kill him. He only knew at that moment that he really wanted to find Jeremy (because of the unremembered compulsion). And the rationalization that Damon kept up with was wanting to apologize. So, yeah, awwww!

Stefan and sex... just not very hot or exciting in my opinion. Sorry.

I'm glad you liked this one, but for me, yeah, it's basically been a string of GREAT episodes since 4.05. Hopefully, this is a turning point for you. :)
jamdourado: pic#119645665jamdourado on January 25th, 2013 07:26 pm (UTC)
Everything is deremy and nothing hurts.

Stefan, don't really care about him, I get where he is coming from, I get he his hurt, but I just don't feel bad for him. What I liked is that the writers are finally destroying his hero image and his eternal love for Elena, good to know he is finally admitting SE was a pretending.

I loved, loved, loved Bonnie this episode, she was being used by Shane and she didn't know, she is mad, she thinks she has control over it but she doesn't. I'm expecting to see Bonnie torn to use the power and afraid to lose control.

Elena's plan to kill Kol is brilliant, Jeremy complete his mark and they get rid of one of the Orignals, it's a win win. The pitty is that the girl's plan never work.

My dream is to see Elena and Rebekah being mean girls with each other. i need this show!!
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on January 26th, 2013 12:23 am (UTC)
Bonnie was fantastic (but then I pretty much ALWAYS think Bonnie is fantastic, hehehe!).

Elena's plan to kill Kol is brilliant, Jeremy complete his mark and they get rid of one of the Orignals, it's a win win. The pity is that the girl's plan never work.

*sigh* I know. SUCH a good idea, and yet... it's Elena's plan.

Ah, re: Rebekah/Elena -- I still really want to see these two somehow become friends out of this. Such great chemistry Nina and Claire have.
wiccabuffy: Buffy - Default/name/scythewiccabuffy on January 25th, 2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
STEFAN!!!!!!!

I was soooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy to see Stefan stand up for himself, be smart-alecky, be able to move on (at least for a bit), and I personally LOVED the Stebekah scene. I am very curious to see how it plays out now that they brought up their past together (finally) and I also wonder how it will play out because now we have had....

Stefan/Katherine/Damon - Katherine chose Stefan, though she eventually said she loved them both and that love is a vampire's greatest weakness. Side note, Katherine only ever had sex with the brothers while they were human. And of course, Elena was upset about this once she learned she looked just like Katherine. (Not by Damon, more by Stefan's actions).

Stefan/Rebekah/Damon - Again, she was in love with Stefan and betrayed by Klaus, then slept with Damon because of her longing for a connection, then he pretty much used her. Now that Stebekah is happening, are we going to go back to the "love is a vampire's weakness" since we know it is part of Rebekah's? Man, these brothers love to share women. I doubt it will upset Damon, but I think it will upset Elena again because of Stefan (in the way it made her jealous and upset when Damon slept with Rebekah).

Stefan/Elena/Damon - She loves them both, is not IN love with them both right now, and has only had vamp sex with Damon (as an aside). Stefan is hurt this time. It should also be interesting to see ow this triangle will play out thanks to Rebekah/Katherine comparisons that I'm sure Elena will make again. "She tried to kill me!" - refers to both Katherine and Rebekah now. Hmmm, so much to think on!
Arabian: Stefan & Rebekah01arabian on January 26th, 2013 12:31 am (UTC)
Yay, another Stefan supporter! WOOHOO! I feel like we're a dying breed. :(

Don't get me wrong, I loved the Stefan/Rebekah scenes, all of them, I just don't think that Paul Wesley gives good love scene.

I do hope they use the icky of the brothers sharing all of these women as a way to draw more parallels and FEELINGS from all three instead of just glossing over it... because there IS a lot of territory to mine here.
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vanimy: D/Evanimy on January 26th, 2013 01:15 am (UTC)
Yay for me catching up much earlier this week!! ;)

PART ONE :

-First things first, I LOVED this episode. Even if the Damon/Elena shipper in me was kind of deprived, I really loved how action-filled the episode was and most of all how much it reminded me of season 1.

It had lots of creepy 'Night of the living dead' moments and I loved it. Vampires back to being scary, a house being the only safe place, bloody massacres and Originals -be it Rebekah, Klaus or Kol- actually being threatening....

If you add to that Damon's compulsion, the wonderful Damon/Jeremy feels, Bonnie going dark and the plot thickening, I was there all the way.

-Damon/Elena.

We really only got snippets with them. No reunion (that wasn't the right time, that's for sure!), that sucked though. What the inner shipper in me really liked was how Damon stopped, like really stopped himself from looking for Jeremy whenever Elena called his name. If I hadn't followed the sire bond story I could've really believed it worked both ways and Elena was controlling Damon too.

I also think Damon's attempts at fighting the compulsion were better than Stefan's but I didn't mind the comparison because of course comparing himself with Stefan is something Damon's going to do for sometime when it comes to Elena, he already did it way before they were together in 3x04 so I'm glad to see Damon's insecurities rear their ugly head again because that's totally in character.

What I really liked about Damon/Elena too was how they both wanted to see each other at the end of the episode and Stefan was the one literally separating them (and gloating about it).

Also I didn't mind Matt and Jeremy harping on Damon going along with Klaus' plan, because I too thought it showed an unbelievable faith in him that he could actually oppose Klaus and they felt betrayed which shows that they actually trusted him. Also the rabid shipper in me likes the fact Elena has to fight against everyone's opinion to be with Damon.

-Damon and Jeremy gave me all the feels this week. The way they kept trying not to kill each other was so beautiful. Damon was actually telling Jeremy to kill him and Jeremy just couldn't do it even with his hunter urges. Beautiful, I'm telling you. And I absolutely loved how Damon protected Jeremy against Kol. Jer, just pay attention, Damon cares, it's written all over his actions!

Then there was his reaction after he realized that Damon was going to try and kill him. In that store room, when he cocked his gun and turned to face the door knowing that it would be Damon coming through, he looked so upset and his hand was shaking. His poor, baby face! He so didn't want to do it.

THIS. He totally had a baby face in this moment. I loved this scene.

Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on January 26th, 2013 01:27 am (UTC)
- Yes, this was marvelously action-packed and so well directed. It was exciting.

- Agreed, this was a strong episode, for sure.

- I'm sorry, but based on the evidence, if anyone is sire bonded to the other in this relationship, it is SO Damon to Elena, LOL!

- Oh, I didn't mind the comparison and I agree with this:

I didn't mind the comparison because of course comparing himself with Stefan is something Damon's going to do for sometime when it comes to Elena

I just was frustrated that once again Damon put a halo of Stefan and downed himself. Just my Damon-woobie-fan coming out, LOL!

What I really liked about Damon/Elena too was how they both wanted to see each other at the end of the episode

I kept thinking of adding this to my post, and I may just do it because I did love it. Damon's "at least let my see Elena," gah! The way Ian delivered that just slayed me, broke my heart and made go wheee! all at the same time.

I too thought it showed an unbelievable faith in him that he could actually oppose Klaus

Exactly!

Damon and Jeremy gave me all the feels this week.

I KNOW!!!

THIS. He totally had a baby face in this moment. I loved this scene.

Right?!?! RIGHT?!?!?
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vanimy: Damon/Stefanvanimy on January 26th, 2013 01:20 am (UTC)
PART TWO

-Stefan... I also loved the Damon/Stefan scene. Reminded me of season 1 as well. He was obviously gloating but not too much.

As for the Stefan/Elena scene I really liked it, Stefan's jab was true enough and honest enough and it was what I was expecting from last week and got this week. I think you're spot on with your analysis of Elena's relationship with the two brothers and how subconciously she thought Stefan would play the unofficial bf part now Damon's the official boyfriend. It makes total sense.

What I disagree with however is your empathy with Stefan. I have a hard time feeling sorry for him. Sure, Elena slept with Damon like a day after they broke up... The problem is, they broke up because of her feelings for Damon, feelings she never denied when they broke up. Stefan can't act like he was betrayed. Because he wasn't. Damon never acted like he wasn't in love with Elena. Elena never acted like she didn't give a damn about his brother. If Stefan didn't want to watch it happen, he should've left town or something. What did he think would happen once they were left to their own devices? Damon didn't do anything to seduce her the whole time she was with Stefan, more, he talked Stefan up the whole time, involved him with everything. Stefan got back together with Elena knowing she had unresolved feelings for his brother, he knew something happened in Denver but never wanted to know what exactly and he left them alone the first night Elena moved in. Let me repeat that, he left his brother - his desperately in love with Elena brother - with Elena - who just acknowledged she had feelings for said brother.

Now he's acting like Elena cheated on him or something and no, just no. Stefan's no innocent in this situation.

So yeah, not feeling sorry for him at all. I actually think he's not really hurt but acting like a sore loser. What bothers him is the fact Elena left him for his brother, that's the whole problem IMO. And it's so childish that no, I can't feel sorry for him.

-I thought the Stefan/Rebekah bonding was a little' too little too late' for my taste, alas. I would've been all over it a season ago, now I don't feel the love at all between them. Also even if the make out session was kind of hot, I was too grossed out by the fact Damon did the exact same thing (hate sex with Rebekah to get over Elena) not so long ago so I couldn't get over the gross part.

I also like because Stefan moving on physically with someone else represents a turning point in my eyes in the potential-non-reunion of Stefan and Elena.

*nods* It actually felt weird to see Stefan sex it up with someone else in present time.

-I loved Bonnie's scenes this episode. Oh boy she IS going down a dark path, isn't she? :( What's awful is the fact that either way she's kinda screwed. She DOES need help but not from Shane who's obviously hypnotized her. One score for the 'sire bond is fake' theory, yay!

- Erm, so why did Elena wait until the morning to clean up Matt's bloody neck, LOL? And, uhm, couldn't Matt have done that himself?

Hehe, good point! I didn't even notice lol.

- Just randomly I found myself really, really enjoying Joseph Morgan and everything he chose to do in this episode.

YEP and that's big coming from me, lol.

- When I first watched it, I thought that Nathaniel Buzolic (Kol) did a terrible job. Upon rewatch, it wasn't as bad as I remembered, but it still wasn't very good at all. I remember thinking he was OK with his previous appearances where he only had one or two lines to string together, but the full monologues? Yeah, guy really brings down the acting caliber of this show. Hell, he makes Phoebe Tonkin look pretty good in comparison. Yikes.

While yeah, he's obviously isn't in the same league as the other actors I didn't find him so terrible. I thought his scene with Rebekah was pretty touching. I think Phoebe Tonkin snarking all over the place even in a serious scene was way worse.

Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on January 26th, 2013 01:34 am (UTC)
- Right, he was gloating, but like I said, I read it in a "I got control of my big brother, nyeah, nyeah, nyeah" and I ADORE when we see the sibling-infantilism come out to play, LOL!

- I know you don't feel for Stefan, and I do. Logically we can look at all the extenuating circumstances that led up to them sleeping together and I don't disagree. However, it doesn't change the fact that they slept together less than 24 hours and that simply HAS to hurt. As for leaving the house, yes, it was INSANELY stupid of Stefan... but it's totally in character for him. You know in Stefan's mind, he was thinking: 'Fine, I'm gonna leave and you guys sit here and stew and think about how badly you hurt me, so there!' Never once did it cross his mind that pretty much once he left, any thought of him or anyone else was going bye-bye. So he was completely thrown and flummoxed and extenuating circumstances or not, it hurt. A lot. So he's being a jerk and a dick, just as Damon was when he got hurt. But, yeah, I love Stefan, so I'll defend him still, and see his side.

- now I don't feel the love at all between them

But you weren't supposed to. That was what they were talking about, that it's not about love anymore. It's just about passing the time. Bringing me to your next point, Stefan and Rebekah weren't having hate-sex, they were having fun-sex. It wasn't let's get over the people who hurt us sex (as it was with Damon and Rebekah), but rather, hey, we had crazy sex fun times before, let's do it again without the love. Damon was thinking about Elena. Stefan was not.

- Oh, my poor Bonnie. :(

- YEP and that's big coming from me, lol.

That is from you! So, for some reason, he really had it turned on this episode, LOL!

- We're gonna have to agree to disagree on Buzolic. I was watching the scene again and it went back to being nearly as bad as when I first watched it. Oy vey.

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vanimy: Elenavanimy on January 26th, 2013 01:20 am (UTC)
PART THREE

-I love how Elena goes to grey areas and her plan to kill Kol at the end was badass. She's not shying away from morally ambiguous actions anymore. Killing two birds with one stone, smart indeed.

- ETA: prettygirl5130 reminded me -- yeah, there's something up with those herbs for sure. The fact that we had another reference to them? Uh huh.

*nods* Another score for your 'sire bond is fake' theory, yay.
Arabian: Elena11arabian on January 26th, 2013 01:38 am (UTC)
Too bad it's an Elena plan and therefore doomed to failure, LOL! But, yes, I love my girl. I mean, I didn't even mention it, but her just coming across Matt and BOOM! snapping that vamp's neck. Ooh, Elena!!!

We will see re: the herbs, and the sire bond. Uh huh.
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La vida de llorona: TVDlaudanumdream on January 26th, 2013 02:25 am (UTC)
My comments will be brief:

1) I usually watch an episode two (maybe three) times if I have time to do it. I rewound (mid episode) the scene where Elena was begging Damon to resist the compulsion out of love. I love how you analyzed it. When he said, "I can't" it was so telling of everything. They're definitely not the same couple that Stefan and Elena were.

2) I go back and forth on Stefan. I mean I don't HATE him. I definitely see the layers in each character and when you write it out, it brings a lot more to light. I actually enjoyed Stefan in this episode. I don't like seeing a whiny Stefan. I liked seeing Ripper!Stefan because Paul Wesley put a lot of passion into being a bad ass. I thought the, "You're welcome" and "You haven't seen what I look like when I'm not in love with you" were delivered very well. He's been burned. I think he's allowed to be a dick to Elena at least for a little while.

3) Speaking of Dick!Stefan: He could have done a lot worse to Damon and he didn't. That's definitely telling of their relationship. He's all, "I want to kill my brother" to Rebekah, but we know he doesn't actually feel that way. That being said, I think he'll take small pleasure in knowing that Damon is lying in the dungeon weak and wants Elena but can't have her for the time being.
Arabian: DE & Stefan01arabian on January 26th, 2013 02:34 am (UTC)
My answers will be even briefer!! (WOW!)

I rewound (mid episode) the scene where Elena was begging Damon to resist the compulsion out of love. I love how you analyzed it. When he said, "I can't" it was so telling of everything. They're definitely not the same couple that Stefan and Elena were.

Yup, yup, yup. I just loved how that played out. :D

He's been burned. I think he's allowed to be a dick to Elena at least for a little while.

YES!

He could have done a lot worse to Damon and he didn't. That's definitely telling of their relationship. He's all, "I want to kill my brother" to Rebekah, but we know he doesn't actually feel that way. That being said, I think he'll take small pleasure in knowing that Damon is lying in the dungeon weak and wants Elena but can't have her for the time being.

YES, YES, YES!!!
kellygreen83: pic#119640376kellygreen83 on January 26th, 2013 03:16 am (UTC)
I love reading your analyses of the episodes as they (almost) always align perfectly with what I was thinking and bring up a lot of things I hadn't thought about but agree with (usually lol).

I can see both sides of the Stefan "debate" from the comments, but I personally tend to agree with the people that don't like him as much, though I can see and completely understand your points. Ever since I first started watching this show last summer (watched all 3 available seasons in rapid succession twice) I've always felt that he was a slightly shady (maybe not exactly the right word here) and seemed to put his needs/feelings before everyone else to an extent even way back in the first season when most of the other characters thought he was the epitome of goodness and kindness (which admittedly he does posses those traits, just not as often as everyone assumed). Don't get me wrong I like his character, but he's not one of my favorites.

As for who sent the creepy tong biting guy, I thought that he could have possibly been someone from that cult that worships Silas that Kol ran across back in the day. I was also thinking that maybe Shane was actually part of that cult and was one of the/a survivor(s) of that massacre in which his family was killed hence his seeming to be much older than he appears and his belief that Silas will resurrect his family??? I don't know; the guy could also be an ally of one of the members of the 5 that we have yet to meet, or some other player that has yet to be seen. This storyline is fascinating though. I'm really enjoying it.

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Arabian: Stefan02arabian on January 26th, 2013 04:00 am (UTC)
Aww, thanks. :)

Honestly, I can see both sides of the Stefan debate too, I just land on the, but I love Stefan, he's my boo!

I thought that he could have possibly been someone from that cult that worships Silas that Kol ran across back in the day

I thought that was a possibility, but I was thinking that Elijah or Katherine or some other witch may be in play too. If there is another party, I can't imagine it's not going to be someone we have an inkling of, you know?