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07 December 2012 @ 07:20 am
4.08 - 'We'll Always Have Bourbon Street' (The Vampire Diaries)  
The Vampire Diaries aired tonight. Whee! So you know what that means! Post-episode lots and lots of words, broken down into mostly (longish) points into subjects. ETA: And of course even doing it that way, I still went to town. Damn this show and how it elicits so much wordage from me!

This episode wasn't a let-down per se, it was way too good to fall anywhere under that heading. It was a great episode and had one of my first OOOH! moments of this season, but it wasn't as good as last week's (or the episode prior). However, the last one was my second favorite episode in the series' run so far, and the one prior to that is probably in my top 20 of favorites on this show. So this is not a ding to say it's not as good, because the previous two were mind-blowingly awesome. This one was just... awesome.

THE SIRE BOND

First of all, I do believe that we have definitive proof that Elena was indeed sired by Damon.

   


Moving on... so I was mostly right with my final conjecture on the sire bond. I wrote (in an ETA) after last week's episode:
    I'm at the point now where I think the sire bond is there and real but it's there and real ONLY because Damon and Elena love each other. When Julie said that they kept the hybrid stuff front and center for people to reference, I realized it wasn't so that people could remember it, but that so people could realize 'wait a minute! there are way too many differences here! it can't be what Stefan and Caroline are saying it is!' And, of course, Klaus would lead them to think otherwise because he knows that Damon doesn't care if Elena is human or vampire, but Stefan does.

    Plus, I think it's interesting that the only mutual-love-siring we know of (Finn/Sage and Lexi/Lee) were incredibly strong and lasting. I mean Sage stayed true to her love for Finn even being without him for NINE HUNDRED YEARS! So I'm thinking that the sire bond is rare among vampires because it's really only when it's true love on both parts. Because, really, how many people would GENUINELY agree to DIE and LIVE FOREVER with someone else willingly? Only someone who truly loved. But to create the sire bond it probably has to be mutual.
Obviously I was wrong about it having to be mutual on both parts, but it is about when the makee loves the maker. So what about Katherine and Damon then? Or even Stefan and Katherine? The only thing that makes sense is that, nope, neither boy actually truly loved her. For Damon, it was likely obsession and for Stefan, it was worshipping the feminine ideal which Katherine clearly embodied for him in 1864 -- and Elena did before she turned. On the whole idea that true love from the one sired is what creates the bond, butterfly pointed out that when Elena was trying to get Lee (Lexi's boyfriend, turned by her so they could be together forever) to not kill Damon, she told him to think about if Lexi would have wanted this. That bit there rather plays into that theme going all the way back to season 01.

At first, I was ready to call false at the idea that Charlotte was ANOTHER sire bond, but then I realized something. If Damon does just casually make vampires as we've seen (Isobel, Vicki, now this Charlotte), then in 150 years, he's probably made a LOT of vampires and if out of all of those vampires, only one was sired to him before Elena? Well, then, yeah, he would classify that as rare. And it then explains exactly why Damon -- and only Damon -- recognized what was going on with Tyler. This was the pertinent dialogue from that scene:
    Damon: He's been sired.
    Alaric: What?
    Damon: Sired. He feels loyal to Klaus because Klaus's blood created him.
    Elena: Loyal how?
    Damon He'll seek acceptance from his master. It's really rare.
So Damon would have known about it because it happened to him, but in all of his siring, it only held with this one vampire -- thus, yes, rare. With that said, I do think that it's a possibility the writers *may* have dropped the ball a bit with the things Damon told Elena to do being fact since neither Damon nor Elena is arguing with Stefan and Caroline's "proof." On the other hand, considering all of that happened within a few days and it was some crazy stuff, maybe the timeline isn't all that clear in their heads either. Who knows?

What we do know is that the sire bond is based on feelings that were there before. Tyler told Elena as much, and the witch, Nandi, flat-out said that the feelings ("human feelings") had to be there before the turning to both Damon and Stefan. Stefan's reaction was, of course, predictable and telling. He processed the information, had a moment of contemplative sad, then decided that it didn't fit in with the reality in which he wanted to live and so he locked it away never to be spoken of again because he doesn't want to deal with the Elena-does-have-feelings-for-Damon side of the equation. Thus he never brought it up to Damon, and he never mentioned it to Caroline.

Think about it, just moments after that conversation he actually said to Damon that once the sire bond is broken even if she doesn't have the same feelings for Stefan (which, of course, he believes she will because Stefan *never* makes concessions about Elena choosing/loving/wanting someone unless he believes that she will choose, love, want only him), it will at least be her choice. Never mind that Nandi JUST told them that if Elena is sire bonded to Damon, it is because she already had those feelings of lurve for him. Oh, Stefan. Speaking of ...

STEFAN, O SELFLESS ONE!

First off, I will be positive. I still love Stefan (I always will love Stefan!), and I completely get why he's acting this way and it's completely in character. And I love that he wasn't trying to be a douche to Damon in their two scenes at the boarding house, he was actually being really sweet. And he *did* apologize for his jerky comment to Damon about Damon being wrong for Elena. So, yeah, Stef, you get some props. Now onto the non-prop-worthy moments, i.e., everything else....

Hah! OMG! There were two things that Stefan said that made me bark out in laughter at his complete and utter blind hypocrisy, and that he spewed both comments with complete sincerity and belief in self was truly pure Stefan at his faux-saintly worst. Ugh! The first was when he actually said that Damon only does things he thinks are right for him, as opposed to right. As if Stefan does the opposite. Right? Stefan who makes decisions for everyone else that fits his worldview, his opinion, his belief in what is right... as opposed to the actual rightness of things.

Nope, it's only Stefan's interpretation of right that counts. Like, oh, how it was perfectly acceptable to offer up a human sacrifice for Jeremy -- an unwilling, freaking out 16-year old boy -- to kill. It's acceptable because it fit Stefan's interpretation of right (i.e., it's "right" that Elena love me and only me and not big brother so there!), but it's not acceptable for Damon to sacrifice twelve humans for what Damon thinks is the right thing to do. And you know what? It wasn't right what Damon did. It was TERRIBLE and awful and dreadful, even if they were not good people (as Damon hinted at when he balked at Lexi's automatic assumption that the twelve he killed were innocent). But you know what else? Just as what Damon did was terrible, awful and dreadful so was what Stefan did to murderer-guy and poor Jeremy THE DAY BEFORE he made this sanctimonious statement to Damon about what he, Stefan, would consider acceptable! Pfft.

The second thing that Stefan said was to Caroline when he so beatifically told her that he felt sorry for Damon. Oh, Stefan, being so noble that he actually equated Damon's love with his. How considerate of him. Erm, except not. Because you can't really equate their love because, uhm, yeah, Stefan? If we're playing the game of who loves Elena selflessly more? Damon wins. HANDS FUCKING DOWN. Damon is the selfless one with Elena.

He's the one who walked away time and time again, respecting her choice to be with you because she loved you. That was Damon. You are the one who every time there's a sign that Elena cares about Damon throws a little hissy-fit and pulls some shit to make sure that Elena doesn't go down that road. Damon is the one who constantly talks you up because he knows that you love Elena and Elena loves you. You're the one who disparages and talks trash about your brother every time Elena makes it clear she feels for him. Damon is the one who steps back and respects her choices (once he learned his lesson). You only respect her choices when to do so fits your agenda and makes your happy happy.

As sarcasticcheese pointed out, if Stefan truly selflessly loved Elena as he loves to claim, then once he heard those completely unbiased words from that witch that the feelings Elena feels for Damon are real, are based on her feelings that developed as a human, then he should have stepped back and wished Damon and Elena all the best. Because if he selflessly loved both of them, he would selflessly want them both to be happy with the person they love. But, no, Stefan, you are not selfless, so you won't do that. And you will be pissed off when Damon doesn't walk away because of course he won't because (a) they now all know that the feelings are REAL and THERE before the turning, (b) Elena is begging him NOT to walk away, and (c) if Damon were to break the sire bond he'd have to leave Mystic Falls and, yeah, Ian Somerhalder is not leaving The Vampire Diaries, LOL! So yeah, Stefan will be pissed, never mind that Damon is making this call hugely because IT IS ELENA'S CHOICE.

YEAH, ELENA'S CHOICE? THAT WOULD BE DAMON.

Just a brief bit here, as I talked about him with Stefan, the sire bond and here and there throughout the post. Firstly, really fantastic shot to open an episode with thus far. Seriously, best opening shot ever. (I know, I just went and looked at every other one, and nope, this is it.)


Did I lie?

Secondly, oh, Damon-- man, the thing that ripped me the most for him was his speech to Elena about how he's the selfish one, taking what he wants. Because, really, he is NOT. He isn't selfish, not when it matters. He's put aside his desires plenty of times, he's helped others plenty of times, he makes good choices PLENTY of times. Still he sees himself as the worst. Damon just has *the* worst opinion of himself, but it makes sense. After all, he started out with low self-esteem thanks to daddy dearest. And now, how can he not think that he sucks when no one ever brings up and/or gives credit for all of the good that he does do,and instead just constantly harps on the bad over and over again? Poor bb, Damon! Elena, go kiss and make it better!

LEXI SUCKS! A LOT! A LOT *LOT* LOT! LIKE LOTS OF LOT!

Any regular readers of my write-ups know how I feel about Lexi. If you're new, a quick introduction. I was meh on her first appearance, flat-out didn't like her in her second, pretty much loathed her in third (torturing someone to do your bidding ain't curing them). After the fourth? Well, to put it succinctly, my thoughts on her in this episode were: DIE! YOU FUCKING BITCH! DIE! Ahem. Really, I do not like her. You think Bonnie is judgmental? You think Caroline is? What about this bitch? She meets Damon for two seconds, decides that 'eh, he can figure out how to be a vampire on his own, I'm gonna take care of the special snowflake that is Stefan Salvatore and leave this one to his own devices.'

Then when she next meets him (here), we find out that Stefan told her some trumped-up story about Damon forcing him to feed, never mind that, no, Damon was just trying to have fun with his brother, didn't know about the whole Ripper thing. Did Lexi know that, though? Nope. Just assumed the worst of Damon. Took every rotten thing that Stefan said about Damon as little brothers with issues about their big brothers are wont to do as the gospel truth and proceeded to treat Damon like dog doo-doo.

Seriously, it was NOT Katherine that kept Stefan and Damon from finding their way back to each other. Nope, it was this bitch. Note how even though Katherine is still around, and even though both brothers are hot to trot for Elena, they're still functioning better than they have in decades. Hmm, what is new to the equation in the last year or so here? Oh, right. LEXI IS GONE. She's the one who's been fueling Stefan's issues with Damon *and* the one who has kept him from actually dealing with his blood issues, thus creating the Ripper that became Stefan. Cannot stand her.

And it can never go without saying, yes, Damon staked her, boofuckinghoo. You know what Damon also did when he staked Lexi? HE SAVED SHERIFF FORBES LIFE! Yeah, remember that? Breaking free from the deputies, Lexi could have made a run for it, instead she decided to go after Liz. Had Damon not intervened -- yes, prepared to do so, but if she'd run, no intervening would have been necessary -- Liz, Caroline's mother, would have been killed by dear, sweet Lexi. Hate that bitch so hard.

Ahem.

THE TRIO OF BESTIES -- THE GOOD AND THE BAD

The first scene with the girls was great, even though that greatness mostly revolved around the fact that Elena was clearly all about THE SEX WITH DAMON WAS FANTASTIC AND I WANT TO SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS! The rushing in late, the messy hair, the glow, the silly smile, the barely-there-attentiveness, the fact that Damon so completely rocked her world that she forgot that her brother wants to kill her. And then the BEST PART!, Elena seeing Damon and how she all but vamp-sped to get to him. So, yeah, I loved that scene, but not really for the besties.

However, I did enjoy the girls just letting loose and having fun all for them! There was some great stuff there, and OK, some not so great stuff. The not so great was Caroline's continued bitching about Damon. I do wish that Elena had mentioned that Damon didn't want to sleep with Caroline (again) or Bonnie or Matt when he saved their lives, however, Elena is clearly very much in a DAMON IS ALL MINE AND I AM ALL HIS! frame of mind, so it makes sense that she would only be concentrating on how he's always been there for her (and that's why she lurrves him so). And I did like her throwing at Caroline how quick she jumped into bed with him in her face, and then was basically all "GURL! YOU'RE DISRESPECTING MY MAN! GET OUT!"

And then on the plus side, even their fight just flew to the wayside when they were in danger. All three of them working together, using their various strengths... including Elena's willingness to sacrifice herself for her friends. Because, yeah, Elena is STILL Elena. (No, Stefan, and Caroline, she has NOT completely changed at all. She just wants to be with Damon now instead of Stefan.) It was proof positive that Elena is still the same girl she was before she became a vampire when she offered herself up in torture in exchange for a friend. THAT is Elena. Plus, I did love when Caroline hugged her, and when Elena didn't respond, Caroline said "If you don't hug me back soon, this is gonna get really awkward really fast," followed by Elena explaining that Caroline had pinned her hands. Hee.

Hopefully, her words to Elena stick to some degree. Obviously, it's not going to happen overnight (judging by her snitty attitude about Damon with Stefan at the end of the show), but hopefully, gradually, we'll get somewhere. And I'm happy to say there was a moment where I was preemptively ready to spork Caroline though my television, but her actual comment made me simply nod. It was when she began with her "One thing you can say about Ripper Stefan," (and here was where I cringed and narrowed my eyes) "is that he wasn't a manslut." (and here's where I nodded, because, yeah, true enough.)

And I think Bonnie will get there with Damon too, if she's not already there. I mean, yeah, Elena said that they both hate Damon, but we actually didn't get that pretty much at all from Bonnie. She was a bit 'really?' about her sleeping with him, but she wasn't nasty about it, nor did she say anything negative about Damon at all. I was quite proud of her. And I thought she was uber-adorable through the whole episode. With her "spirit tea" and her dancing and video taking and renewed witchy-pride and her cute little crush on the (evil) professor. (Elena's reference to Shane as "the hottie creepy professor" cracked me up because of how nonjudgmental it was despite the "creepy" part and just how she combined all the nicknames for him into one, LOL!) And this moment of Bonnie's just made me grin, she was so cute (and put Caroline in her place at the same time)!


One more thing about Bonnie, I mentioned at the top of the post that this episode provided the first "Ooh!" moment for me -- it was when Bonnie happily revealed what Professor Shane calls the magic he's teaching her: "Expression." Which we know, as delivered oh so casually earlier, from Nandi that it's not even dark magic, it's *worse* than dark magic. Oooh!!! Loved it.

RANDOM STUFFIES

- Are you sitting down? You should be because I'm about to be shocking. I actually thought Tyler (and Michael Trevino) was really great in the fight scene at the pool table, and the whole hybrids deal was pretty dang cool. That scene just worked really, really well. Of course, by the time they were all kneeling predictably, I was over it, but still that scene was great. Alas, with that kneeling, I'm sadly fearing that Tyler will be with us to the very end. Damnit.

- OK, if I have to stick with Tyler, can we at least get rid of Hayley? Because Phoebe Tonkin is not a good actress. Sneer all you want, girly-girl, that's not A+ acting. She was blessed with the only decent great lines on The Secret Circle and delivered them passably with an appropriate sneer and flash of her big eyes, and got all the credit for them. Yeah, never mind that her acting added not a hint of shading or dimension to the character. Ugh. I want her gone. Especially now that she's interacting with Shane so much (as opposed to only Tyler), who I do think is fantastic.

- Yeah, Shane is so not a good guy. And I'm thinking that the Pastor and them all dying has something to do with Shane's plan that's going to lead to people (including Silas?) being resurrected with the help of "Expression" brought upon by the power of twelve murdered hybrid souls? Is that it? I think. Maybe? I don't know.

- Good casting for this episode, I thought. I like Madeline Zima (even if it's mostly reserved from her younger Nanny days), and I thought she brought the right amount of pathos to the role. I also thought it was interesting that for the first time EVER that a sex interest for Damon was introduced and there was NO sexytiems -- not even in the flashback. Heck, the show even when out of their way to not show the one time where something actually happened by instead having Damon tell Stefan that Charlotte had kissed him. It's almost like they wanted to honor the fact that Damon is with Elena now and thus us Damon/Elena fans really don't need to see him sucking face or getting it on with anyone else right now. Hmm.... Anyhoo, I thought she did a lovely job. Her line delivery on "you said to show no mercy, I thought you'd be happy" was fabulous, and the entire bit where she was talking about counting bricks being her song for Damon was heartbreaking. Good job.

Also great was Adina Porter as Nandi. Of course, I'm a bit biased in that I've seen that actress in several (very different) things and she is always 100% awesome in everything. She didn't disappoint here.

- Very pretty bra/panty set Elena was wearing in the opening scene (beneath Damon's shirt from the previous night that she ripped off of him).

- Hee! Liked that Val (Nandi's mother) called Damon "pretty one." Hee.

- Aww, no Matt. Or Jeremy. Or Matt and Jeremy bonding at the Gilbert house. Shirtless. :(

- No Klaus, too. I can live with that.

- Not particularly thrilled with the Stefan/Caroline conversations, but I still love seeing Caroline and Stefan so much together!

So, great episode, I loved it, even if it wasn't as fabulous as the last two, but those two were stellar-- oh, wait... Am I forgetting something? Hmm, what it is... what? What? Oh, right...

THE UBER-HOTNESS AND OH!MY!HEART!-NESS OF DAMON AND ELENA!

I loved them. I loved him. I loved her. LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! SQUEE!

Seriously, so much love -- the callbacks to "real" and "right" as they pertain to Damon and Elena and their history ("real" going back to season 01, and "right" (and their "right now") going back to last season) add a depth and show that, yes, indeed, they have been layering and building this relationship from that early on. Honestly, after this episode if anyone truly does not see that Damon and Elena are THE story, THE couple, they're not paying attention, they've never watched a television show or they just don't want to hope despite all visual and audio evidence to the contrary proving that yes, DAMON AND ELENA ARE THE COUPLE. For example, beyond the early season 01 break-up/make-up/break-up/make-up of Stefan and Elena where they remained pretty solid, their first break-up was in episode four of season 02 ("Memory Lane") and it was a fake one, but I noted in my write-up of that episode:
    I think it's telling that the show didn't make their "break-up" a cliffhanger of sorts, but resolved and told the truth to viewers right away. It seems that by doing so, they pretty much made it clear that they know that the Stefan/Elena relationship is not a draw.
And then we have in this episode, the question of whether Damon is going to end things or not with Elena as she's pleading with him to not do so... well, that's the cliffhanger. That's the draw. The interest is strong enough, the writers believe, in Damon and Elena's relationship that a show that has a reputation of having very strong cliffhanger ends to all of their episodes... chose this draw to end this episode on. Yeah. Damon and Elena? So THE couple.

Admittedly, I did have a few quibbles with their stuff tonight, one of them that went bye-bye while talking to sarcasticcheese, the other is still hanging on and if anyone wants to unquibble it for me, please do so. The first that I've resolved was Damon pulling the 'don't tell Elena/lie of omission' card. That upset me at first because (a) that's Stefan's thing -- but of course, Damon owned up to what he was doing, and (b), the idea that now Damon is in some sort of romantic relationship with her, he's resorting to those tactics which I abhorred in the Stefan/Elena relationship. However, I realized that this was very similar to what happened in "Bad Moon Rising." I wrote there:
    It's interesting, the only reason that I even entertained the idea that Damon had indeed seen the ring is because Damon told Elena that he had, and one of the keys of their relationship is that he does not lie to her. He never has. And yet, he lied to her in the car. [But] I get why Damon lied to her this time, for the first time. When she hated him before, he wasn't in love with her, her being a significant part of his life was not important so doing anything to get her to like him, including lying, didn't matter. Now, however, he's floundering. He messed up. Big-time. And even 'big-time' is a major understatement. He simply doesn't know what to do to fix this and he desperately wants to fix it.
Even more so, Damon would want to not screw up where they are right now relationship-wise, so yeah, he thought of an untruthful maneuver to keep things at the status quo, but in 2.03, Damon didn't even manage a full day before he told her the full truth. And because of that -- and because of their very honest history -- I believe that even if things had gone differently in New Orleans, he would have told her the truth in less than a day. That's just how he and Elena roll.

My other, unresolved, quibble was Elena telling the girls that she was "falling in love with Damon." I don't know, I just really would have preferred had she said that she was just "falling for him" as opposed to the "in love" part. Her not saying the latter would just have gone along with the narrative flow that Elena is still in denial to some degree to just how long and how strong her feelings for him are. I mean, girl is way past falling, she done fell a long time ago and she can't get up. So a small quibble, but yeah, if anyone has thoughts on that, do tell!

Pretty much everything else I loved. Starting with that final, heartbreaking scene. I talked a bit about it above with regards to the cliffhanger aspect of it, but the whole thing, man, the whole thing was just heartbreaking. Elena in near-tears, pre-devastation even as she was telling Damon that she's happy, and those near-tears and near-devastation was because she didn't want him to take her happiness away. She was happy with him, like she's seen him so happy the previous morning. And it was glorious and beautiful and so lovely not just to see Damon so happy, and not even just to hear Damon admit without hesitation that he was happy. But it was also that Elena was there to see it, to witness it, to know that it was because of her and that in turn made *her* happier. SQUEE! I LOVE MY OTP! That glowing contentment and joy on his face was mirrored on hers just about every moment we saw her until Caroline started in on her judgmental Damon crap. And, of course, things went downhill from there, but here in the end, she was fighting not just for her and Damon, but for her happiness.

And he so wants to give her that happiness, he so wants to believe that he makes her happy, and he so wants to be happy himself. Because he loves her and he wants her to love him. He wants what she feels, what they are to be real, and he still doesn't quite believe it, doesn't believe that he deserves it and that's why he is so quick to think that it probably isn't real. I said above that Damon won't go along with what he promised Stefan, and I really don't think he will, but Stefan's wrong. It's not because he doesn't love Elena as much as Stefan (note to Stefan: it's the other way around, dude), or because he's selfish with her. In fact it's the opposite.

Damon will break that promise to Stefan *because* he loves Elena. Because he would be selfish to deny her what she is begging him for. And we all know that if it were reversed, that if it were Stefan who was in this situation with Elena, both he and Caroline would be crowing about how this is proof of just how epic their twu wuv is. So, no, Damon isn't being selfish because this isn't about doing what he wants, or what Stefan wants. It's about doing what Elena wants. And Elena wants to do Damon. Period. For him to walk away and deny her would be selfish. So that's why he won't. :Nods:

Of course, Stefan doesn't get that, won't get that because Stefan doesn't see Damon when he's with Elena (and vice versa), and Stefan certainly, absolutely does NOT know Damon half as well as he thinks. Had he seen Damon's expression when Elena drank that blood bag down, Damon realizing that there was truth to what Stefan had theorized, he would have known that for Damon this isn't about getting what he wants. This is about getting an Elena who wants him. For real.

Moving on, or rather backwards, to more of the awesome Damon/Elena in this episode. There was also that adorable second scene as Damon walked her to the door, making sure she has what she needs, using unnecessary apparel to steal one more kiss, just adorable. And, of course, as mentioned above we had the callback to "right" and that they are finally "right now." Squee! And Damon's victory 'yes" was cute and Elena's happy-happy all aglow around him was adorable. And I just love them so.

Oh, and Elena wanting to let Stefan know right away (because it shouldn't be a secret) was great too because, yeah, she doesn't want she and Damon to be a secret, but I totally get -- and she totally got -- why Damon wanted that one more day. He wants to be able to be at peace (to a degree) with Stefan and be at happy peace within himself because he (hallelujah!) has Elena. That's understandable. And then Stefan showed up and totally caught the tension, but likely figured it was all about him and not because they were just talking about not telling him that they were doing each other and hard ALL NIGHT AND MORNING LONG!

Speaking of ... you didn't think I wasn't gonna go there, right? As if! I'll just mostly repeat what I said in the post with the edited love scene. Hah! I knew we'd get a second love scene, but so soon? Damn. And hotter/racier than the first? DAYUM! And I'm totally fine with the continued Stefan/Caroline intercuts because they are basically giving us Damon/Elena sexytiems while still making us hold out for the GOOOOOD stuff. I'm down with that. I just think this is BRILLIANT. We still get some ultra hot scenes, but are still hanging on, not completely satisfied (unlike Damon/Elena!) because we're now waiting for THE uninterrupted, full-on, full scale love scene. (Yup, ANOTHER ONE will be coming!)

But in the meantime, we're getting THIS kind of hotness. HOLY SMOKERS! The chest and belly kisses, the hand on the boob, straying downward, the thrusting, the "O" faces, the bloody scratching down the back, which jeebus, help me, was sooo hot. Why was that so hot?! Seriously. Dayum. The whole thing (especially when edited to just their stuff) was so, so, soooooooooooo hot. I mean... yeah, this hotness:

                                       

So, yeah, that happened. Uh huh.

I liked this episode. A LOT. :D
 
 
 
Vickie: TVD - Elena Hip Cocksarcasticcheese on December 7th, 2012 12:52 pm (UTC)
I'll respond a bit more later, but as for your last quibble about Elena saying "Falling in love"

Oh, and Elena wanting to let Stefan know right away (because it shouldn't be a secret) was great too because, yeah, she doesn't want she and Damon to be a secret,

You answered your own quibble. Elena isn't in denial of her feelings anymore. She really hasn't been since she turned. I thought that was evident last week when she told Damon she and Stefan broke up because of him. And she told Stefan she had feelings for Damon.

Besides, really, "Falling for him" and "Falling in love" mean the same thing. It's all semantics. But, I think her saying "Falling in love" is both justified by her actions, and it moves that boring, boring, boring, frustratingly BORING, GOOD LORD ELENA JUST ADMIT IT storyline forward. FINALLY.
Arabian: Elena11arabian on December 7th, 2012 12:55 pm (UTC)
Elena isn't in denial of her feelings anymore. [...] I think her saying "Falling in love" is both justified by her actions, and it moves that boring, boring, boring, frustratingly BORING, GOOD LORD ELENA JUST ADMIT IT storyline forward. FINALLY.

OK, I can see that. :)
bangel_4e: delenadancebangel_4e on December 7th, 2012 12:55 pm (UTC)
WHAT A GREAT EPISODE!
First of all, I have to bow my hat to you cause you were right about everything, pretty much :)
I'm so glad you made me change my stupid mind.

Btw, the unresolved quibbles got to me too...the lying thing, I guess he just wanted to be sure of what it was going to happen before telling her. I thought that was so OOC but I'm trying to remember exactly when he did he say those words. I can't re-watch the episode now (can't find it anywhere) so I would to analyze that better before trying to come up with an explanation.

The other "I'm falling in love with him" thing. I do believe she loved him way before this realization but the thing with Elena...she's the queen of denial. She took some BIG steps leaving Stefan, admitting she wanted to explore her feelings for Damon. I think that for her would be too much admitting she was in love with him even before. And then again, she may have thought she was in love with him before actually being with him but living the relationship adds only love and more love and makes you fall harder.

Though she'd never admit that to her friends, right after their judgement and anger.
Arabian: Damon & Elena23arabian on December 7th, 2012 01:00 pm (UTC)
First of all, I have to bow my hat to you cause you were right about everything, pretty much :)

I just really, really, love this show and pay attention to it really, really hard and if you do, you can follow where they are going. This idea that there's a sloppy narrative, or loose ends, or that it's just some silly camp CW show hold no weight. It's all there, you just have to pay attention a lot.

Btw, the unresolved quibbles got to me too...the lying thing

But I was fine with that one as I explained above. And it wasn't OOC because the last time that Damon felt that huge shift in their relationship from one thing to another (good before 2.01 to bad), he pretty much lied to her because he was floundering, trying to recapture the dynamic. Here, it was the opposite, their relationship was good and he didn't want to lose their new dynamic so that's why he was floundering. But, again, I maintain that like in 2.03, even if he had kept it from her, he wouldn't have been able to for very long. They NEVER keep anything from each other for very long, in those rare instances when they do keep things from one another.

sarcasticcheese covered the 'falling in love' one for me above you --that it was just semantics, and it does explain to herself why she's acted as she has, and it finally does put the whole verbal denial of feelings to rest.

And, yes, it was a great episode. :)

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hotarujazz: hands and dance 4x07hotarujazz on December 7th, 2012 01:24 pm (UTC)
Wow...okay. Again, you nailed it generally speaking.
Few things I have to add: I think that Charlotte's and Elena's bonds are different because of different feelings that originated the bonds. Charlotte seemed more obsessed with Damon than in love with him as opposed to Elena who was more in love with Damon than obsessed. That's where I see distinction in how bonds work: when you are obsessed with someone you follow their every word and want to please them any way possible but when you are in love with someone you want to make them happy so you do what you can to do so. If I'm not wrong pleasure =/= happiness. So that's why I think it worked so literal with Charlotte and not so literal with Elena.
I'm sort of toying with idea that Damon was sired to Katherine but Katherine made him break the bond in season 2. Also, the fact that sire bonds between vampires are so rare leads me to believe that not every feeling can be translated to bond or that feeling has to be especially intense even in human form. The second option seems more likely (Elena said that Damon consumed her after all).
The "I think I'm falling in love with him." line in think was perfectly in character because it's not realistic for Elena to have all the answers after just 2 episodes of contemplating her feelings.
That's all from me now!! :D
bangel_4e: delenabedbangel_4e on December 7th, 2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
The "I think I'm falling in love with him." line in think was perfectly in character because it's not realistic for Elena to have all the answers after just 2 episodes of contemplating her feelings.

I really, really agree with this.
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Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on December 7th, 2012 01:46 pm (UTC)
Phew yeah, hot and heartbreaking. The kind of angst I lap up!

>>definitive proof that Elena was indeed sired by Damon

LOL!

I understand why a love made bond makes mechanical sense, but not supernaturally or emotionally. Why would that even happen? What purpose does it serve (I see why it would be good for minion-making, but little else)? Does that mean it's more like a vampire STD?

>>Stefan? If we're playing the game of who loves Elena selflessly more? Damon wins. HANDS FUCKING DOWN. Damon is the selfless one with Elena.

Absolutely, but does he actually know that though?

I liked Lexi, but wow what an assumption to make on only a brief acquaintance with Damon, and Damon that was never anything less than polite to her. Stefan has a LOT* to answer for.

Glowing Elena is a sight to behold! Cute but very strange to see her like that.

How many of the Council died in that explosion? (ETA: 12, yes!) Were they sacrifices then? Who got that jolt of power? So 12 Council dead, 12 hybrids, 12 sacrifices, an unknown number of vampires to get the map.,, those hybrids are so doomed, poor things.

No Matt? Shame that.

About the lie of omission, although I suppose he could have hung around to tell her or called her, he did actually go to tell her the moment he saw her again.

My guess at the 'falling in love' thing would be that although she may have actually fallen some time ago, it's only now that she's allowing herself to feel the rush of it and that might feel like something new.

>>and then Stefan showed up and totally caught the tension

Really, how Stefan is so blind not to work on what was going on in this and the last episode, I do not know. Why even leave them alone in the first place? If he just wanted to dodge his ex, he could have gone to his room and barricaded the door.

Never apologise to me about being wordy. :)



*look what you've made me do, I NEVER used to capitalise!


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Arabian: Damon13arabian on December 9th, 2012 05:55 am (UTC)
Phew yeah, hot and heartbreaking. The kind of angst I lap up!

LOL!

What purpose does it serve (I see why it would be good for minion-making, but little else)? Does that mean it's more like a vampire STD?

I think that when two parties love each other it may just help to create a deeper bond. But it doesn't matter because I'm not totally onto the idea that, nope, it isn't a sire bond between Damon and Elena, just a Macguffin - the sun and moon curse ala Klaus all over again.

but does he actually know that though?

The fact that Damon stood by Elena the entire time Stefan was gone, and stuck around even after Elena "chose" Stefan is enough, despite not knowing all the other particulars.

I liked</i> Lexi, but wow what an assumption to make on only a brief acquaintance with Damon, and Damon that was never anything less than polite to her. Stefan has a LOT* to answer for.</i>

Yeah, I never liked Lexi and now I just loathe her.

Glowing Elena is a sight to behold! Cute but very strange to see her like that.

I know, right? I think other than the afterglow with Stefan and right before she found the Katherine picture (so, erm, all of maybe five minutes?) we've never seen her like this for any amount of time that was sustained.

How many of the Council died in that explosion? (ETA: 12, yes!) Were they sacrifices then? Who got that jolt of power? So 12 Council dead, 12 hybrids, 12 sacrifices, an unknown number of vampires to get the map.,, those hybrids are so doomed, poor things.

Yup. Oooh! (hands rubbing together) This is all coming together!

No Matt? Shame that.

LOL! But seriously, I used to be meh about him, but he's so much more realized and better over all. Hasn't he improved at all for you?

About the lie of omission, although I suppose he could have hung around to tell her or called her, he did actually go to tell her the moment he saw her again.

Of course, he did because Damon doesn't lie to Elena. He's just not good at it, LOL!

My guess at the 'falling in love' thing would be that although she may have actually fallen some time ago, it's only now that she's allowing herself to feel the rush of it and that might feel like something new.

Yeah, that seems to be the consensus I'm getting from everyone.

Really, how Stefan is so blind not to work on what was going on in this and the last episode, I do not know. Why even leave them alone in the first place? If he just wanted to dodge his ex, he could have gone to his room and barricaded the door.

But he could have (and so would have) tortured himself by listening to them talk. I really don't think it crossed his mind that seconds after Stefan took off, Elena would be in Damon's bed.

Never apologise to me about being wordy. :)

LOL!

*look what you've made me do, I NEVER used to capitalise!

How is this my fault?! LOL! Blame Julie Plec!
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Alisha: Revenge - EmilyNolanBamfWalkkalishaka on December 7th, 2012 01:55 pm (UTC)
The one thing I did not expect to take away from this episode......actually liking Tyler in an episode. I did not see that coming. But suddenly...he had something to do.....there was actual acting happening.....and I was left pleasantly surprised. Way to make the werewolf storyline finally relevant in a way that makes me care. It only took 4 seasons, but happy nonetheless.

In keeping with that....the 'expression' and the hottie creepy professor tying directly into that as well.....this is going in a way I really really enjoy. I've been really ambiguous about this storyline and found it annoying because I'm not entirely loving the hunter bits we had earlier, but as I'm finally getting to watch it all start to connect, I'm warming up to the whole. I guess that's what I get for watching episode by episode. Sometimes it makes me wish I'd stuck with my half season marathons, I think I always enjoyed the wholes more than the pieces.

The things that bothered me last time about the sire bond, still bother me this time. But since I assumed they were pretty set in using that method to show it, I just kind of ignored it this time. I still am really bothered by Caroline's complete disregard and ignorance of Elena's feelings, and while I know they attempted to address it on the show, it still...just bothers me. Blegh. I suppose I shall just have to grin and move on. And I mean....at least it has given me a lot of Stefan and Caroline bonding. I enjoy how their inability to handle reality feeds off the others inability to handle reality. Oh my precious babies.

I did enjoy Bonnie, Caroline, and Elena all being together again. It was just nice to see. Bonnie needs more to do! She also needs to be able to just socialize with people more often rather than just be there for the magic use. Her facial expressions were perfect. Also, the way they instinctively went into protection mode, defending their 'pack' from the invasion of others. I enjoy the parallels the show is building between the vampire 'pack' and the werewolf 'pack.' I think it's setting up Trevino for an exit at the end of the season though.

Now to Damon.....and the two loves of his life....Elena and his brother. I don't even know where to start. Yes I do. Lexie can die. Horribly and Painfully. Did she teach Stefan that weird ability to only notice truths when it is relevant to him and ignore them when its not? Because when Damon painfully admits to how lonely he's been, to how hard his existence is without Stefan, and she seems to almost take that in for the first time, acknowledging that Damon loves Stefan, that Damon cares about his brother more than anything in this world, and then uses that against him, calling Damon's want for family selfish, and telling him to walk away from Stefan, because Stefan deserves better? I just can't....I don't even know where that was going but I hate Lexie. She continually denied Stefan the ability to make choices for himself, to be accountable for his own actions, by teaching him to blame his brother.
Eris: pic#110572612l_eris_l on December 7th, 2012 07:27 pm (UTC)
I'm still bothered by sire bond inconsistencies. I want it explained how Elena could ignore direct orders from Damon so many times. Showing Charlotte's behavior just raised more questions, because Elena is not behaving like the "lap dog" (thanks Caroline) everyone says she is. In order for DE to really progress eventually they need to either break the sire bond, or find out Elena wasn't sired after all.

I actually said during that last Lexi/Damon scene "I'm glad he staked you!" Uggh judgemental bitch. She really screwed Stefan up and kept the brothers apart. Glad she's dead.
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Alisha: Revenge - EmilyNolanBamfWalkkalishaka on December 7th, 2012 01:55 pm (UTC)
I have had a hard time not hating on Stefan the last few episodes. Like, it's completely in character, but just....seriously dude.....you fucked up your relationship with Elena long before Elena or Damon did. He threw them together. He burnt the bridges. He lived in his beautiful land of ignorance and denial. People aren't how you make them Stefan. People cannot just be created to act a certain way. (I blame Lexie for this too....because I can.)

Like as much as the sire bond bothers everyone because it stops Elena from making choices....Stefan is still ignoring her choices anyway....so whats the true difference?

And Delena...oh delena. I cannot. The opening....the happiness....the pure love and adoration. Accepting it....and how much lighter it has made everything about Elena. Damon's face when he realized she was sired. His walking in after....her knowing what he would try to do and telling him not to do it. She didn't even care. Being sired to him didn't matter. She knew she had feelings for him. She decided to act on them. People told her those feelings weren't real. She yelled at them because she knew better. Tyler validating what she felt she already knew. Yeah, no, she's in love with Damon, and owning it. And it was perfect. And this catty jealousy on Stefan's side.....just makes me actively hate everything that Stelena was...because Stefan didn't care about Elena for her own sake but his own. And if he seriously calls his brother selfish again I might snap and throw something at my computer screen...so I probably should find a way to protect it before the next episode.

And so many more feels....but I need to shut up now. Because otherwise I will ramble on and on and on. (And when I tried to post this...I realized the comment was like 300 words too long as now you get two. So it's a good thing I stopped.)
Arabian: Emily & Nolan01arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:04 am (UTC)
I have had a hard time not hating on Stefan the last few episodes. Like, it's completely in character, but just....seriously dude.....you fucked up your relationship with Elena long before Elena or Damon did. He threw them together. He burnt the bridges. He lived in his beautiful land of ignorance and denial. People aren't how you make them Stefan. People cannot just be created to act a certain way. (I blame Lexie for this too....because I can.)

Like as much as the sire bond bothers everyone because it stops Elena from making choices....Stefan is still ignoring her choices anyway....so whats the true difference?

And Delena...oh delena. I cannot. The opening....the happiness....the pure love and adoration. Accepting it....and how much lighter it has made everything about Elena. Damon's face when he realized she was sired. His walking in after....her knowing what he would try to do and telling him not to do it. She didn't even care. Being sired to him didn't matter. She knew she had feelings for him. She decided to act on them. People told her those feelings weren't real. She yelled at them because she knew better. Tyler validating what she felt she already knew. Yeah, no, she's in love with Damon, and owning it. And it was perfect. And this catty jealousy on Stefan's side.....just makes me actively hate everything that Stelena was...because Stefan didn't care about Elena for her own sake but his own. And if he seriously calls his brother selfish again I might snap and throw something at my computer screen...so I probably should find a way to protect it before the next episode.

And so many more feels....but I need to shut up now. Because otherwise I will ramble on and on and on. (And when I tried to post this...I realized the comment was like 300 words too long as now you get two. So it's a good thing I stopped.)
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on December 7th, 2012 07:47 pm (UTC)
Part One:

First off - oh yeah, we have definitive proof that Damon sired Elena. Girl loves to get her par-tay on through imbibing alcoholic bev-er-ages (my lame George Dubya impression, LOL). They are like two peas in a very adorable pod now. Love it!
BTW, I knew you would get wordy. You just can’t help yourself my friend, besides your thinky thoughts and insights are way cool :)

I'm at the point now where I think the sire bond is there and real but it's there and real ONLY because Damon and Elena love each other.

Yes, a million times yes! We completely agree that the connection Damon and Elena shared before she turned, fueled the sire bond. Thank you Nandi ;)

So what about Katherine and Damon then?

As I commented to hotarujazz:

I personally don't think that Damon was sired bonded to Katherine because one, the "love" he felt for her was manipulated and not real and two, Damon's mind was clouded by lust, jealousy, curiosity, and the need to screw his father over. Damon didn't know what love was before he met Elena, he only thought he knew and that is why he pined for Katherine for so long. He didn't know any better.

Stefan's reaction was, of course, predictable and telling. He processed the information, had a moment of contemplative sad, then decided that it didn't fit in with the reality in which he wanted to live and so he locked it away never to be spoken of again.

THIS! If something doesn’t mesh with Stefan’s version of reality he disregards it, ignores it, or puts it in a box so he doesn’t have to deal with it. Stefan has spent his 100 or so years running from one thing/person/himself or another, never really dealing with anything so this was typical Stefan behavior. In the past he had Lexi and Elena to enable his let’s not deal with shit behavior, and now he has Caroline to enable him as well.

You hit the nail on the head in your Stefan post-episode analysis. Especially this…

Oh, Stefan, being so noble that he actually equated Damon's love with his. How considerate of him. Erm, except not. Because you can't really equate their love because, uhm, yeah, Stefan? If we're playing the game of who loves Elena selflessly more? Damon wins. HANDS FUCKING DOWN. Damon is the selfless one with Elena.

Also I could not agree more with sarcasticcheese:

if Stefan truly selflessly loved Elena as he loves to claim, then once he heard those completely unbiased words from that witch that the feelings Elena feels for Damon are real, are based on her feelings that developed as a human, then he should have stepped back and wished Damon and Elena all the best.

Stefan claims to love purely, selflessly, and without judgment, but every time he gets the chance to display that supposed behavior, he drops the ball, especially when it comes to Damon and Elena.

really fantastic shot to open an episode with thus far

OMG yes!!!! Srcrumpdillyicious! That opening shot of a peaceful, dreamy Damon was beautiful ;)

Lexi - At one point in time I actually liked Lexi, for about five minutes, but her lack of empathy and understanding toward Damon, her inability to see anything but the bad in him when hello, Stefan forced vampirism on his brother because he didn’t want to be alone for eternity, and her blind devotion to all things Stefan makes my blood boil. I second your DIE! YOU FUCKING BITCH! DIE! rant. I am so glad that Damon staked her when he had the chance becauseyou're right she’s the one who kept the brothers apart and fueled the bitterness and animosity between them for all those years. She deserved that stake for all that and because she was about to do to Liz what she bitched Damon out for and preached to Stefan not to do. What a hypocrite!


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Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:23 am (UTC)
First off - oh yeah, we have definitive proof that Damon sired Elena. Girl loves to get her par-tay on through imbibing alcoholic bev-er-ages

Aww, you didn't get my joke. :( No, it was that Elena was doing some clean-up. We only ever see Damon do clean-up.

I knew you would get wordy. You just can’t help yourself my friend, besides your thinky thoughts and insights are way cool :)

Yeah, I always do, and thank you.

Yes, a million times yes! We completely agree that the connection Damon and Elena shared before she turned, fueled the sire bond. Thank you Nandi ;)

Except I changed my mind again and I don't think the sire bond is real. I may have seen Charlotte as loving Damon, but way too many other people didn't, therefore, it probably was meant to be seen that way. So, that along with all the inconsistencies, makes me believe that, yup, Elena sire bonded to Damon is a Macguffin.

I personally don't think that Damon was sired bonded to Katherine because one, the "love" he felt for her was manipulated and not real and two, Damon's mind was clouded by lust, jealousy, curiosity, and the need to screw his father over.

See, I don't see how this differs from Charlotte not loving Damon then yet still being bonded. I don't see why Damon wouldn't be to Katherine then. Yup, it's a Macguffin. It just doesn't make sense otherwise.

If something doesn’t mesh with Stefan’s version of reality he disregards it, ignores it, or puts it in a box so he doesn’t have to deal with it.

Exactly. That is SOOOO Stefan's M.O.

In the past he had Lexi and Elena to enable his let’s not deal with shit behavior, and now he has Caroline to enable him as well.

*sigh* Uup.

Stefan claims to love purely, selflessly, and without judgment, but every time he gets the chance to display that supposed behavior, he drops the ball, especially when it comes to Damon and Elena.

So true. Perfectly put. He's had so many opportunies to do so, and yet, he never does it.

At one point in time I actually liked Lexi, for about five minutes, but her lack of empathy and understanding toward Damon, her inability to see anything but the bad in him when hello, Stefan forced vampirism on his brother because he didn’t want to be alone for eternity, and her blind devotion to all things Stefan makes my blood boil. I second your DIE! YOU FUCKING BITCH! DIE! rant. I am so glad that Damon staked her when he had the chance because you're right she’s the one who kept the brothers apart and fueled the bitterness and animosity between them for all those years. She deserved that stake for all that and because she was about to do to Liz what she bitched Damon out for and preached to Stefan not to do. What a hypocrite!

YUP! Any Lexi-rant I consider a thing of beauty. :)
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on December 7th, 2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
Part Two:

Elena was clearly all about THE SEX WITH DAMON WAS FANTASTIC AND I WANT TO SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS! The rushing in late, the messy hair, the glow, the silly smile, the barely-there-attentiveness, the fact that Damon so completely rocked her world that she forgot that her brother wants to kill her.

Hells yeah! I’d be giddy as hell too and probably skipping through the halls of MFH with a smile that could power the entire planet Earth ;)

The trio of besties (love that BTW) and their drinking, dancing, voguing, laughing, etc. was a sight for sore eyes and so incredibly awesome, until Caroline started with her judgmental crap and ruined it. Instead of Buzzkill Bob it was Buzzkill Vampire Barbie. I loved Bonnie in these scenes because although she’s not 100% on the Damon train, she knows that Elena has feelings for him and she doesn’t try to take that away from her, unlike Caroline who yes, she has reason to not like Damon, but come one, it’s time to move past that, the man saved your life and let’s not forget, helped to change your mommy’s mind about you not being her daughter anymore. Show a little bit of gratitude by dropping the tude just a tad, pretty please?

Elena giving it right back to Caroline and defending her right to feel what she feels made me so proud and I must say, the fact that the girls can be arguing one minute and going to war to protect each other the next was all kinds of awesome! Again you hit the nail on the head talking about Elena still being Elena by willingly offering herself up to be tortured so Caroline would be spared. That’s our girl! I hope that Caroline keeps her word and lets Elena be who she is and love who she loves without interfering, judging or throwing obstacles in her path.

Are you sitting down? You should be because I'm about to be shocking. I actually thought Tyler (and Michael Trevino) was really great in the fight scene at the pool table, and the whole hybrids deal was pretty dang cool

I never thought I would see the day when you would actually like Trevino doing anything on the show. I am shocked and amazed.

Yes! Haley needs to go. Phoebe Tonkin needs to go! Do. Not. Like. Either. One.

I'm thinking that the Pastor and them all dying has something to do with Shane's plan that's going to lead to people (including Silas?) being resurrected with the help of "Expression" brought upon by the power of twelve murdered hybrid souls? Is that it? I think. Maybe? I don't know.

Something is definitely going on. When Shane told Haley “We are the beginning.” Isn’t that what the Pastor made reference to before he blew up the farmhouse? This whole thing has me baffled because you have this new form of bad ass witchcraft, talk of “the beginning” and Silas, the introduction of the 12 souls, a vampire hunter marking that leads to a cure for vampirism, the suicide/murder at the farmhouse, and breaking hybrid sire bonds. It’s hard to connect the dots because we are being led in what seems to be different directions, but of course they all lead to the same place. I want to delve deeper into what it all means, but I’m hesitant at the same time because what if all this turns out to be a sham, like the Sun and Moon Curse?

Madeline Zima was pretty good. Perfect blend of child-like behavior, neediness, and obsessive stalker chick. You mentioned that there was no flashback to Damon getting it on with Charlotte which along with the way the flashbacks of them played out, makes me wonder if they had a sexual relationship at all. They didn’t act like a two people who were doing the horizontal mambo; no coy looks, no touching, no heated looks. Nothing.



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Eris: pic#110572612l_eris_l on December 7th, 2012 09:15 pm (UTC)
I was confused by Damon/Charlotte as well. He didn't even have his arm around her or anything in the flashback scenes? It's obvious he cared about her though. He could have just staked her back then when she "went all Fatal Attraction on him", but instead he saught out a witch and killed 12 people for a spell to set her free.
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(Anonymous) on December 7th, 2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
Wow! After this episode I literally could say nothing because this episode just hit all the right notes in so many ways. They are hitting this bond in all of the right places in my opinion. This is everything I would ever want if they were going to do a bond storyline. It was just so nice to finally have confirmation of Elena's love for DAmon. PERFECT! I also really, really loved how happy Elena was. I just think she was the cutest with the girls and with Damon. Their first scene in bed literally had me drooling and thinking "how the hell did they get THAT past the censors?" That was probably one of the most suggestive love scenes on this show ever, and of course Ian and Nina are brave enough to pull that off. Amazing! He is rocking her world in more ways than one. They were so cute hopping down the stairs arm in arm giggling and laughing. Once Elena got to school, she just looked so relaxed and sure of herself, sure of her decisions, sure of how she's feeling in that moment....just the kind of Elena I had always wanted. It actually reminded me of the Elena before her parents died that we saw in the finale flashbacks. I think that's a significant parellel because Damon was the one who met Elena first on that road. Damon knows who Elena really is and I think he watched her fall into this sinking depression once her parents died. He must be so excited for her to feel that joy and happiness in her life again. On the flip side, Elena must be over the moon with how happy Damon is. They are both just lovely together. They really are.

Now, onto other things besides Damon and Elena...I loved Elena's interactions with the girls. it was such a great story because they just seemed like best friends again. Yes Caroline was judgey but Caroline is always judgey and I loved both Bonnie's and elena's reactions to Caroline while she's judging Elena for sleeping with Damon. How much did I love Elena sticking up for her man and making it extremely clear that he makes her happy and he's always been there for he?. Such a great moment for Elena's character progression! I also thought it was super cute when Elena was going on and on about Damon's bathtub! LOL! So cute and funny...Elena loves everything Damon at the moment.

I gotta admit I was still in a bit of shock at the sex scenes in the beginning that I kind of lost track of some of the big mythology moments, like the fact that the witch said there really was no cure for the bond and that the reason Damon did what he did to Charlotte at the end was the only way to give Charlotte a decent chance at a normal life. I also loved your anlalysis on the selfish and selfless acts and I thiought what you said about Damon doing all of this for Elena's happines and it being her choice to stay with him was great and oh so true! I also think it was apparent that the writers are acknowledging how little Stefan really understands both Damon and ELena. Stefan still thinks Damon is all about himself and he still thinks that the real Elena is thiat graveyard girl from the Pilot. He really is disconnected to the two most important people in his life. It's actually kind of sad.
Arabian: Damon & Elena22arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:43 am (UTC)
Wow! After this episode I literally could say nothing because this episode just hit all the right notes in so many ways. They are hitting this bond in all of the right places in my opinion. This is everything I would ever want if they were going to do a bond storyline.

Yeah, they're really pushing how much of this is Elena's feelings for Damon. With that said, I'm now on the side that she isn't sire bonded to him. Waaaaaaaaaay too many inconsistencies at this point.

I also really, really loved how happy Elena was. I just think she was the cutest with the girls and with Damon.

Me too. Loved it.

Their first scene in bed literally had me drooling and thinking "how the hell did they get THAT past the censors?" That was probably one of the most suggestive love scenes on this show ever

I was SHOCKED! In a good way, but still...

Once Elena got to school, she just looked so relaxed and sure of herself, sure of her decisions, sure of how she's feeling in that moment....just the kind of Elena I had always wanted. It actually reminded me of the Elena before her parents died that we saw in the finale flashbacks.

Yup, this is more who Elena is. I will always maintain that Elena needed Stefan when she met him. Damon would have been all kinds of wrong for her at this point, but she's finally past the mourning stage -- and that's why I think she's become so free and open with Damon, it's not the sire bond, because she's been a vampire before the end of episode 06 -- was because she FINALLY let go of the guilt that she didn't die that night with her parents. She's finally allowing herself to live again, to be selfish again, to go after what she wants again. And Stefan holds so tightly to his martyrdom and suffering that he was leading Elena down that path as well. And, again, she needed it then... but no more.

I also thought it was super cute when Elena was going on and on about Damon's bathtub! LOL! So cute and funny...Elena loves everything Damon at the moment.

Yup. That was ADORABLE!

I also think it was apparent that the writers are acknowledging how little Stefan really understands both Damon and ELena.

He really, really doesn't.

Stefan still thinks Damon is all about himself and he still thinks that the real Elena is thiat graveyard girl from the Pilot. He really is disconnected to the two most important people in his life. It's actually kind of sad.

It's very sad. Oh, Stefan.
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on December 7th, 2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
And finally Part Three:

Very pretty bra/panty set Elena was wearing in the opening scene (beneath Damon's shirt from the previous night that she ripped off of him).

Yes it was very pretty and very sexy. Elena’s wardrobe has gotten so much better this season. She’s dressing like a woman and not a girl anymore. I so love it!

Not particularly thrilled with the Stefan/Caroline conversations

I am so over these conversations and all the disregarding, plotting, and all around poo-pooing from these two, but they sure do make a pretty couple.

Woman you are killing me with all those gifs! Hot DAYUM! Anybody who doesn't see the blazing chemistry between Ian and Nina or Damon and Elena is blind as a bat because these two truly know how to get their groove on and make it look hot, erotic, and intimate all at the same time. The looks, the "O" faces, Elena scratching the hell out of Damon's back and the obvious pleasure that gave him, the boob caress, the stomach kisses, the LOVE, the intimacy; nothing could get any better than that, except the moment when Elena tells Damon she loves him. That is the moment I am waiting for :)

That last scene was almost the end of me. It was raw, genuine, heartbreaking, and spoke volumes about the obvious love that Damon and Elena share. Damon wanting the best for Elena and wanting to do right by her and Elena fighting for what they have in spite of the curve ball that was just thrown at them. If that's not true love then I don't know what is.

I can't believe next week is the mid-season finale. It's going to be amaze-balls :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:38 am (UTC)
Yes it was very pretty and very sexy. Elena’s wardrobe has gotten so much better this season. She’s dressing like a woman and not a girl anymore. I so love it!

Yup, we're not seeing the non-stop wardrobe of jeans, tank, blue long-sleeved shirt over it.

I am so over these conversations and all the disregarding, plotting, and all around poo-pooing from these two, but they sure do make a pretty couple.

*sigh* Yes, they do. :)

Woman you are killing me with all those gifs!

Damn, I kill myself every time I open this post!

Hot DAYUM! Anybody who doesn't see the blazing chemistry between Ian and Nina or Damon and Elena is blind as a bat because these two truly know how to get their groove on and make it look hot, erotic, and intimate all at the same time.

YUPPERS! And so, ahem, natural.

The looks, the "O" faces, Elena scratching the hell out of Damon's back and the obvious pleasure that gave him, the boob caress, the stomach kisses, the LOVE, the intimacy; nothing could get any better than that

Well, when we finally get it uninterrupted (ie, meaning, yeah we'll now get at least TWO love scenes more than S/E), it will be better. :)

except the moment when Elena tells Damon she loves him. That is the moment I am waiting for :)

I'm waiting for both. I think it's gonna be in Elena's bedroom. I mean, obviously, it will be there or on the porch but since Damon told her first in her bedroom, I think she'll reciprocate. :)

That last scene was almost the end of me. It was raw, genuine, heartbreaking, and spoke volumes about the obvious love that Damon and Elena share. Damon wanting the best for Elena and wanting to do right by her and Elena fighting for what they have in spite of the curve ball that was just thrown at them. If that's not true love then I don't know what is.

*SIGH* I KNOW!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe next week is the mid-season finale. It's going to be amaze-balls :)

And after that? I will have my Thursdays back for at least a month!
jamdourado: pic#118144934jamdourado on December 7th, 2012 09:33 pm (UTC)
Agree with everything!! Although I wasn't mad with Caroline on this episode, I mean she wasn't being "Epic luv 5ever", she was just trying be her friend saying Damon is not good for based on what she experienced, and I was a little disappointed when Elena asked what made her go to him on the first place, Caroline had no idea Damon was a vampire and was going to use her.
And another thing that made sad is that Shane is using Bonnie for that expression thing, I mean, poor girl, she always get caught on this supernatural thing, and now she has no idea that the things she is doing are sooooo wrong.
And how that sex was aired?? Like, this is CW, that was porn!!!!!!!1
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:46 am (UTC)
Agree with everything!! Although I wasn't mad with Caroline on this episode, I mean she wasn't being "Epic luv 5ever", she was just trying be her friend saying Damon is not good for based on what she experienced, and I was a little disappointed when Elena asked what made her go to him on the first place, Caroline had no idea Damon was a vampire and was going to use her.

I agree with the first part, but not the second because CAROLINE was specifically commenting on 'skanks' who just jumped into bed with Damon and they don't know he's a vampire. Elena was basically calling Caroline out for insulting a bunch of girls who probably were a lot like her. Saw a hot guy and jumped into bed with him. His vampirism had nothing to do with it.

And another thing that made sad is that Shane is using Bonnie for that expression thing, I mean, poor girl, she always get caught on this supernatural thing, and now she has no idea that the things she is doing are sooooo wrong.

Right. She and Jeremy need to get back together again so they can work together. :)

And how that sex was aired?? Like, this is CW, that was porn!!!!!!!

Well, to be fair, shows on other networks that air at 9pm and 10pm are worse, but yeah, I'm stil shocked at how far this went. Not complaining, but still surprised.
archangel_blood: D/E like you wanna be lovedarchangel_blood on December 7th, 2012 10:07 pm (UTC)
Part One

I’m thrilled. That’s all.

Heh, yeah right; as if I’m actually capable of keeping it short :D

I loved this episode. I really, really did. Yes, this is absolutely my D/E bias showing. In terms of development, action, plot, etc., the 2 previous episodes were better. From my D/E fan perspective however, 4x08 made me so happy that I can’t really be rational here. What we got last night was so much more than I’d ever hoped for at this stage, that I don’t even know where to start; I’m a bit overwhelmed.

On account of all those people claiming that D/E are ruined forever, cheapened and fake, I think I’m gonna kick this off with a little bit of well deserved “Told you so, nyeh, nyeh NYEH!” cause I’m real mature. Lol

First of all, I do believe that we have definitive proof that Elena was indeed sired by Damon.

Haha, yes. This bit really made me smile when I was watching the episode.

These two have such a unique combination of old married couple vibes and insane sexual tension.

Speaking of, the sex scene, my god, THE SEX SCENE! I was kinda shocked in the best way possible. So not CW-like. lol And those bloody scratches, seriously, what is air?

Phew. Their burning hot sex aside, Damon and Elena actually manage to also be cute and adorable, and wonderfully domestic together. Elena wearing his shirt, Damon’s “I’m happy” face, Elena looking so happy herself, the beautiful smiles; I do believe I said “Aww” out loud when he was sending her off to school. And she was tidying up when he got home, and she asked how his night was, and he asked about hers, and Guh! They just work together, you know. One of those couples that you see together, and you instantly know that they’re truly meant for each other. The way they just click so naturally, an absolute synchrony; one of them moves, and the other has already moved so they meet halfway. My lovely, perfect OTP. <3

Thank you, show, for clarifying how the sire bond works, and for confirming our speculations. And thank you, Stefan, for making that wonderful face after the witch’s explanation; I’m gonna cherish this image forever :D Now, that said, I still cannot figure out if the inconsistencies surrounding the sire bond in Elena’s case are intentional or just mistakes on the writers’ part. ‘Cause seriously, I have yet to see a single thing confirming this bond. So the blood bag test worked; then why didn’t Damon’s blood work, when he specifically told Elena that he’s giving her what she needs? How come she is able to make decisions that clearly do not sit well with Damon, or flat out contradict him, and act on them? I’m sorry, but I remain unconvinced.

There were two things that Stefan said that made me bark out in laughter at his complete and utter blind hypocrisy, and that he spewed both comments with complete sincerity and belief in self was truly pure Stefan at his faux-saintly worst.

I have a newfound appreciation for Stefan and his unwavering belief in his own rightness and selflessness. I’ve come to the conclusion that his role in this episode was to provide some much needed comic relief, and he was just hilarious, is what this guy was.

Ugh, Lexi.

DIE! YOU FUCKING BITCH! DIE!

Yes, this. I have nothing more to add, and I have no idea why so many people are stanning her like crazy.
Arabian: Damon & Elena22arabian on December 9th, 2012 07:06 am (UTC)
I’m thrilled. That’s all. ... Heh, yeah right; as if I’m actually capable of keeping it short :D

Hah, I actually thought that when I read the "that's all." Hee.

I loved this episode. I really, really did. Yes, this is absolutely my D/E bias showing. In terms of development, action, plot, etc., the 2 previous episodes were better. From my D/E fan perspective however, 4x08 made me so happy that I can’t really be rational here. What we got last night was so much more than I’d ever hoped for at this stage, that I don’t even know where to start; I’m a bit overwhelmed.

Aww! Yeah, that opening scene, not just the HOLY!HOTNESS!BATMAN! aspect, but the happiness, her jumping onto his bed, them walking downstairs together, checking to make sure she had everything, just GOSH! Could they be any more perfect?!?!?

On account of all those people claiming that D/E are ruined forever, cheapened and fake, I think I’m gonna kick this off with a little bit of well deserved “Told you so, nyeh, nyeh NYEH!” cause I’m real mature. Lol

HEE! I will join you in that chorus. :D

These two have such a unique combination of old married couple vibes and insane sexual tension.

Yup, that was I thinking about with that pre-sex, the sex, post-sex scenes.

Speaking of, the sex scene, my god, THE SEX SCENE! I was kinda shocked in the best way possible. So not CW-like. lol And those bloody scratches, seriously, what is air?

HOLY CRAP! I KNOW!! AND I LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT!

Phew. Their burning hot sex aside, Damon and Elena actually manage to also be cute and adorable, and wonderfully domestic together. Elena wearing his shirt, Damon’s “I’m happy” face, Elena looking so happy herself, the beautiful smiles; I do believe I said “Aww” out loud when he was sending her off to school. And she was tidying up when he got home, and she asked how his night was, and he asked about hers, and Guh! They just work together, you know. One of those couples that you see together, and you instantly know that they’re truly meant for each other. The way they just click so naturally, an absolute synchrony; one of them moves, and the other has already moved so they meet halfway. My lovely, perfect OTP. <3

Yeah, longer, more beautifully written version of what I said above. Yes, yes, yes! :D

Thank you, show, for clarifying how the sire bond works, and for confirming our speculations.

Erm, and now I don't think she's bonded to him, LOL! I think it's this season's "sun and moon curse." There are just way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many inconsistencies and would they have THAT many if they've been planning this for a year? And it makes PERFECT sense that Elena would start this with Damon now (ie, the scene right after the bridge scene) as opposed to any other point. She was a vampire before the end of episode 06, and the way she acted with Damon ONLY changed after that bridge scene because she FINALLY let go of the guilt that she didn't die that night with her parents. She's finally allowing herself to live again, to be selfish again, to go after what she wants again. And Stefan holds so tightly to his martyrdom and suffering that he was leading Elena down that path as well. And she needed it then... but no more. So, yeah, nope, no sire bond. (I will write a post about it. Eventually.)

Now, that said, I still cannot figure out if the inconsistencies surrounding the sire bond in Elena’s case are intentional or just mistakes on the writers’ part. ‘Cause seriously, I have yet to see a single thing confirming this bond.

Yup, cuz it's NOT there.

I’m sorry, but I remain unconvinced.

I'm with ya!

I have a newfound appreciation for Stefan and his unwavering belief in his own rightness and selflessness. I’ve come to the conclusion that his role in this episode was to provide some much needed comic relief, and he was just hilarious, is what this guy was.

LMAO!!

Yes, this. I have nothing more to add, and I have no idea why so many people are stanning her like crazy.

I've never understood the Lexi-stanning. EVER. And now? And from Damon-fans?! Seriously, people?! Do you not see how hugely she is at the root of the problems between Damon and Stefan?! Ugh. This bitch.
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archangel_blood: D/E your safetyarchangel_blood on December 7th, 2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
Part Two

The not so great was Caroline's continued bitching about Damon.

Sigh. You know I love Caroline, I really do, but I have major, MAJOR issues with her right now. Unfortunately, her apology did nothing to resolve them. She is just being a lousy friend at the moment, and I’m all out of excuses for her. See, if she was just being harsh because she wants to protect Elena from someone she considers wrong and bad for her, regardless of how misplaced the concern is, I would’ve been fine with it. That’s not it, though, because Caroline does recognize the fact that Damon has always been there for Elena; even if she thinks he has ulterior motives, I don’t for a second believe she really thinks he will hurt Elena.

If Caroline was simply upset and offended by the idea that her friend can love and trust someone who has used and abused her, I would’ve still been fine with it; I’ve never expected Caroline to be ok with it, because I do understand how she feels about Damon, and I know I would have never been able to forgive and forget either. That doesn’t appear to be Caroline’s real problem either, though.

What makes me rage is that she is in fact taking sides, and she chose the non-slutty Ripper’s side, over her own best friend’s; this I cannot justify. She has known about Elena’s feelings for Damon for quite a while now, and she knew how hard Elena was judging herself because of them. Caroline is very much aware that her best friend was in pain, in denial, in trouble. Her being bitchy and downright mean right now, the completely unnecessary snide remarks, sarcasm and mockery serve no real purpose except punish Elena for choosing the wrong Salvatore. You don’t do that, you just do not do that. Even if your best friend broke some perfectly nice guy’s heart, you do not side with him. You choose your best friend, because that’s what best friends are for. Bonnie seems to know this; Caroline does not.

And I did like her throwing at Caroline how quick she jumped into bed with him in her face, and then was basically all "GURL! YOU'RE DISRESPECTING MY MAN! GET OUT!"

Yes, go Elena! My love for Elena is reaching epic proportions this season.

I don't know, I just really would have preferred had she said that she was just "falling for him" as opposed to the "in love" part. Her not saying the latter would just have gone along with the narrative flow that Elena is still in denial to some degree to just how long and how strong her feelings for him are.

Honestly? I think her choice of words was a very deliberate one; what I saw was Elena pleading with her best friends to understand. Regardless of how head over heels she is with him, Elena can’t really forget that Damon has hurt many of her loved ones, including those two girls, and that he is still Stefan’s brother. I’ve always thought that Elena fought so hard to resist Damon, because lust, or a little crush she has, were not good enough reasons to go there, they cannot justify her actions in her own eyes. But that’s not the case, and she knows it now; she has finally embraced the truth, IMO, which is why she was suddenly so ready to announce their relationship to the world, including Stefan. It’s not a little crush, it’s love, and this changes everything. Time and time again every single one of them has justified unthinkable deeds with the explanation that they’re doing it for people they love. That’s what she needs them to understand; it’s love, and for Elena this has always been the best reason of all, the only valid reason. She’s just as much love’s bitch as Damon.

Damon will break that promise to Stefan *because* he loves Elena.

Uh huh. See above. lol

Again, I’m very, very happy with this episode. *stares at the gifs some more* Nope, couldn’t have been happier. :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on December 9th, 2012 07:06 am (UTC)
Sigh. You know I love Caroline, I really do, but I have major, MAJOR issues with her right now.

Yup, and I"m with you, but.... I still think that this is leading somewhere. A wake-up call IS coming. It's just way, way, way too pronounced at this point, paired with the stuff with Klaus, the blindness to EVERYTHING horrible that Stefan does? Yeah, too much.

She is just being a lousy friend at the moment [...] See, if she was just being harsh because she wants to protect Elena from someone she considers wrong and bad for her, regardless of how misplaced the concern is, I would’ve been fine with it.

Yup.

If Caroline was simply upset and offended by the idea that her friend can love and trust someone who has used and abused her, I would’ve still been fine with it; I’ve never expected Caroline to be ok with it, because I do understand how she feels about Damon, and I know I would have never been able to forgive and forget either. That doesn’t appear to be Caroline’s real problem either, though.

Exactly. And I'm sorry, but I just can't feel that awful about what Damon did to Caroline. Not in the greater scheme of things on this show. Why? Because Damon's HUMANITY SWITCH WAS OFF when he was with Caroline -- for LITERALLY two scenes in episode 02 and two episodes. And that's it. That was the ENTIRETY of their relationship. Did he use her briefly to try and save himself in episode 05? Yeah. BUT THAT WAS IT! GAH! He's DONE SO MUCH since then -- saving all of their lives, sticking up for Caroline to her mother, etc. -- that, yeah, no, it just doesn't work for me to hate him for that. Nope. Nope.

What makes me rage is that she is in fact taking sides, and she chose the non-slutty Ripper’s side, over her own best friend’s; this I cannot justify.

YES!

Even if your best friend broke some perfectly nice guy’s heart, you do not side with him. You choose your best friend, because that’s what best friends are for. Bonnie seems to know this; Caroline does not.

This. Absolutely.

Yes, go Elena! My love for Elena is reaching epic proportions this season.

I'm so glad that I'm finally seeing more Elena love across the board. My girl!

I think her choice of words was a very deliberate one; what I saw was Elena pleading with her best friends to understand. Regardless of how head over heels she is with him, Elena can’t really forget that Damon has hurt many of her loved ones, including those two girls, and that he is still Stefan’s brother. I’ve always thought that Elena fought so hard to resist Damon, because lust, or a little crush she has, were not good enough reasons to go there, they cannot justify her actions in her own eyes. But that’s not the case, and she knows it now; she has finally embraced the truth, IMO, which is why she was suddenly so ready to announce their relationship to the world, including Stefan. It’s not a little crush, it’s love, and this changes everything. Time and time again every single one of them has justified unthinkable deeds with the explanation that they’re doing it for people they love. That’s what she needs them to understand; it’s love, and for Elena this has always been the best reason of all, the only valid reason. She’s just as much love’s bitch as Damon.

OK, the others had mostly convinced me, but this really nails it. Thank you!

Again, I’m very, very happy with this episode. *stares at the gifs some more* Nope, couldn’t have been happier. :D

Me too! :D

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Florencia: Ian & Nina (Christmas)florencia7 on December 7th, 2012 10:25 pm (UTC)
”First of all, I do believe that we have definitive proof that Elena was indeed sired by Damon.” - LOL A new & only OT3: Damon/Elena/Housekeeping. Let's hope Stefan won't go back into the Ripper mode if only for the sake of carpets.

I was pleasantly surprised and very glad that they made it so absolutely clear right away that a) Elena had to have feelings for Damon prior to becoming a vampire in order for the sire bond to occur, b) the sire bond affects actions not feelings (btw by saying the latter Tyler, just like that, got promoted out of the small circle of characters that I wouldn't care if they died lol)

Re: Damon/Katherine – I actually didn't expect the show to ever make that claim, but it seems like it might have done just that. Namely, suggest that Damon's love for Katherine wasn't real, that it wasn't love in the truest sense of the word. I can't say I don't approve ;)

Re: Stefan/Katherine – Ha, I'm conflicted here, because it's not really possible to totally dismiss the idea of Stefan being sired to Katherine... is it? Why exactly Stefan spent “months making sure Elena wasn't her?” It's not like he fell in love with Elena while she was drowning and that's why he went into the stalker mode afterwards, unless... he wanted her to be and not to be Katherine at the same time... (it's been a long day today, so I may not be making much sense, sorry lol) I've always been under the impression that at the beginning this possibility of a “better version of Katherine” was behind Stefan's interest in Elena. Damon, on the other hand, seemed very much unimpressed by the similarity. It took him like three seconds to get over it.

I'm enjoying Stefan the hypocrite so much! Lol It's just such a fun character study. And I'm shocked, but I wasn't annoyed by Caroline and Stefan interrupting DEx again (even if, yes, really, show?? it WAS kind of hilarious that they did the same kind of editing again). I came to the conclusion that I just like Stefan in scenes with Caroline or Klaus SO MUCH better than with Elena, so now that he has no scenes with Elena... all's well.

”Oh, Stefan, being so noble that he actually equated Damon's love with his.” - I do not know what to do with Stefan during such scenes. It's not even possible to be angry with someone that sincerely deluded. It's almost adorable. Almost.

The best opening shot – I totally agree ♥

I loved the “expression” revelation. It was great. And Professor Shane just became even more creepy! ^^ I like all the ominous hints they're throwing and as much as I wasn't thrilled about the possibility of a zombie storyline at the beginning of this season, now I'm rather very much looking forward to finding out what it's all about. And I have one, small request: if Shane's going to let the dead back in... LET ALARIC COME BACK ;D

”Are you sitting down? You should be because I'm about to be shocking.” - lol! Same here. I was like WHOA, I don't want Tyler dead anymore! How did that happen??? Which, paradoxically, made me think he *might* end up dead sooner rather than later. He's been doing some ~heroic stuff this season, trying to do the right thing over and over again and it's just always a “bad” sign haha

It was VERY considerate of the show not to show us Charlotte kiss Damon. It was also very considerate to explain the vamp sire bond so thoroughly. Basically, the show is being so considerate to DE these days that I can no longer remember how it was when it wasn't lol

I think Elena's “I think I'm falling in love with him” comment was very much in sync with Elena being in denial (still) BUT slowly getting over it, because while she used the word “love”, she didn't say that she has fallen in love with Damon already (which she SO has). She's still hiding behind the safety of work-in-progress, but I have a feeling we might end this season with a more definite statement :)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh THE GIFS *faints*

I loved this episode but I think I loved reading your thoughts even more ^^ Thank you so much for this post! It's always SO WONDERFUL to read what you think ♥
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)07arabian on December 9th, 2012 07:12 am (UTC)
A new & only OT3: Damon/Elena/Housekeeping. Let's hope Stefan won't go back into the Ripper mode if only for the sake of carpets.

LMAO!

I was pleasantly surprised and very glad that they made it so absolutely clear right away that a) Elena had to have feelings for Damon prior to becoming a vampire in order for the sire bond to occur, b) the sire bond affects actions not feelings (btw by saying the latter Tyler, just like that, got promoted out of the small circle of characters that I wouldn't care if they died lol)

I still honestly do not get why it had to make that clear to viewers who have been watching the show for the last three years. *sigh* With that said, I'm now convinced that she isn't actually sire bonded to him and this is the Macguffin of this season. Uh huh.

Re: Stefan/Katherine – Ha, I'm conflicted here, because it's not really possible to totally dismiss the idea of Stefan being sired to Katherine... is it?

Not what we know about the sire bond. I just can't see him bonded with how he treats her.

I'm enjoying Stefan the hypocrite so much! Lol It's just such a fun character study. And I'm shocked, but I wasn't annoyed by Caroline and Stefan interrupting DEx again (even if, yes, really, show?? it WAS kind of hilarious that they did the same kind of editing again). I came to the conclusion that I just like Stefan in scenes with Caroline or Klaus SO MUCH better than with Elena, so now that he has no scenes with Elena... all's well.

Yup, I've been saying it since early seaosn 02, Stefan and Elena actually drag each other down in scenes. And as I said above I'm really OK with the scene interruptus because they can be edited out, and this means that we not only get THREE love scenes, they're still keeping us wanting by not giving us a full, uninterrupted love scene while still giving us this uber-hotness!

I do not know what to do with Stefan during such scenes. It's not even possible to be angry with someone that sincerely deluded. It's almost adorable. Almost.

You're cracking me up here!

I loved the “expression” revelation. It was great. And Professor Shane just became even more creepy!

Yup, yup, yup!

as much as I wasn't thrilled about the possibility of a zombie storyline at the beginning of this season, now I'm rather very much looking forward to finding out what it's all about. And I have one, small request: if Shane's going to let the dead back in... LET ALARIC COME BACK ;D

Hmm, I guess it could be zombies, but that never crossed my mind. I'm fine with ghostly pop-up visits. I don't want Alaric like that. (Of course, if Matt Davis' show tanks, maybe something else can be arranged, LOL!)

I was like WHOA, I don't want Tyler dead anymore!

Well, I still want him dead. I just enjoyed a scene of his, LOL!

Which, paradoxically, made me think he *might* end up dead sooner rather than later.

Please?!

Basically, the show is being so considerate to DE these days that I can no longer remember how it was when it wasn't lol

Other than season 02 and parts of the second half of season 03, we've been given quite a bit, I think.

I loved this episode but I think I loved reading your thoughts even more ^^ Thank you so much for this post! It's always SO WONDERFUL to read what you think ♥

Aww, you're too sweet. I'm glad you like what I write, but better than the show?! Nope, not these last few episodes, LOL!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on December 7th, 2012 10:32 pm (UTC)
Hee! Elena cleaning up the Salvatore boarding house. Cuteness.

Okay, so I still can't reconcile any sort of actual obedience into Damon/Elena because he still has to argue her into things like keeping them a secret for a single day (and then she doesn't actually keep it a secret). Just as much as he ever did before. It's the same relationship, only now with more kissing and nudity and happiness. I'm on team "we call it a sire bond when someone is uncomfortable using the words eternal love". Back in the '40s, it was Damon who was uncomfortable. Now, it's Stefan and Caroline.
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on December 8th, 2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
I'm on team "we call it a sire bond when someone is uncomfortable using the words eternal love".

I'd like to be included on that team :)
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I just wanted to comment on the whole was Damon sired to Katherine debacle...in my mind he was because it was made pretty clear that once Damon found out about Katherine's true vampire nature he still loved her and accepted her unconditionally. So he did love her before he was turned. Stefan on the other hand, loved Katherine as a human but once he found out her true nature as a vampire he was horrified and Katherine had to compel him to keep going with the sex and relationship. So, Stefan did not fully love Katherine once Stefan was turned.

In my mind, yes Damon was sired to Katherine and wasn't fully released of said bond until Katherine walked away in 2.1 and told him she didn't love him. That's when the bond was broken.
Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:50 am (UTC)
I just wanted to comment on the whole was Damon sired to Katherine debacle...in my mind he was because it was made pretty clear that once Damon found out about Katherine's true vampire nature he still loved her and accepted her unconditionally. So he did love her before he was turned.

Yup, he did, which adds weight to my new theory, that, yup, the sire bond isn't there between Damon and Elena or Damon would be bonded to Katherine.

Stefan on the other hand, loved Katherine as a human but once he found out her true nature as a vampire he was horrified and Katherine had to compel him to keep going with the sex and relationship. So, Stefan did not fully love Katherine once Stefan was turned.

He didn't WANT to love her as a vampire, but I don't think it meant he no longer did.

In my mind, yes Damon was sired to Katherine and wasn't fully released of said bond until Katherine walked away in 2.1 and told him she didn't love him. That's when the bond was broken.

But that's not how the sire bond works. Katherine didn't tell him to move on, she didn't leave him, she didn't tell him to stop caring. All she did was tell him that she didn't love him, and then she proceeded to tease, cajole, try to seduce him, and admit to still having feelings for her. So, no, she didn't break it. Meaning, he was never bonded to her.
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Again, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! Oh what wonderful awesome gifs again. Yup, REALLY SUPER HOT! :D And it is always so interesting what you say about the episodes. :)
I have again so to agree: E&D are so THE COUPLE! :D And no, that is not just wishful thinking *lol*, even when I thought this already the first time, she was at the boarding house and boom Damon stood before her and he looks at Elena closely, as he moved his head aside. :D Oh yeah, so so THE COUPLE. :D
<333
Arabian: Damon & Elena25arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:51 am (UTC)
Again, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! Oh what wonderful awesome gifs again. Yup, REALLY SUPER HOT! :D And it is always so interesting what you say about the episodes. :)

Thank you. Glad you like the gifs, and enjoy reading my posts. :)

I have again so to agree: E&D are so THE COUPLE! :D And no, that is not just wishful thinking *lol*, even when I thought this already the first time, she was at the boarding house and boom Damon stood before her and he looks at Elena closely, as he moved his head aside. :D Oh yeah, so so THE COUPLE. :D <333

Yeah, I could see people hoping, but not quite believing before, but now? Heck no. They are so THE couple!
(Anonymous) on December 8th, 2012 04:40 am (UTC)
Great post! I majorly loved this episode, though you're right it wasn't as brilliant as the last. Aww, Damon. He *so* has such a negative self-image. Just makes me wanna hug him. BTW, was I the only one who thought Elena's comment in that opening scene ("What's that face?") actually had to do with her catching up on how Damon almost thought he'd dreamt the whole previous night, of Elena loving him back - and being so happy that it *actually* happened, as opposed to (for example) that time in S3 when Rebekah compelled him while torturing him? It's just so heartbreaking.. And I think it was a running theme throughout this episode. Elena defending him to her friends, despite his many, many flaws.. Even defending him to *him* in that final scene. Maybe I'm over-interpreting, I dunno. :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on December 9th, 2012 06:53 am (UTC)
Great post!

Thank you. :)

I majorly loved this episode, though you're right it wasn't as brilliant as the last.

Right, it wasn't in any way bad. It's just that last week was so OMG!

Aww, Damon. He *so* has such a negative self-image. Just makes me wanna hug him.

That's why he's agreeing with this so easily, because a part of him doesn't believe that Elena truly loves him because he doesn't believe he's worthy. :(

BTW, was I the only one who thought Elena's comment in that opening scene ("What's that face?") actually had to do with her catching up on how Damon almost thought he'd dreamt the whole previous night, of Elena loving him back - and being so happy that it *actually* happened, as opposed to (for example) that time in S3 when Rebekah compelled him while torturing him?

Hmm, no I didn't get that. I see what you mean though.
vanimy: Damonvanimy on December 9th, 2012 02:41 am (UTC)
PART ONE

Hehe, I always love your very wordy reviews!! ;) And I'm about to get wordy myself lol.

Okay, where to begin? As I said on my own entry, I even loved this one better than the last one. And that's saying a lot knowing the last one pretty much restored my faith in TVD. ;) I think it probably has to do with the Damon and Stefan interactions that we didn't (quite) get last week. I always love the flashbacks.

First of all, I do believe that we have definitive proof that Elena was indeed sired by Damon.

Mwahaha, I didn't even notice! Bad me! :P

-I have to admit that even though I loved this episode to pieces, it also made me very confused about the sire bond thing. I had the feeling Damon had experienced the sired thing himself because he seemed to know about it when it was revealed Tyler was too as you pointed out too so I wasn't surprised to see Charlotte being sired to him. What I'm confused with though is how psycho and obsessed Charlotte looked like. That was just creepy.(I cracked up at Stefan's line about no longer singing the song though, I missed that side of his, lol). I'm also confused because it was made clear Damon didn't give a damn about her so it's not a mutual thing.

What I'm even more confused about is how it can be so rare. Damon experiences it twice in like 150 years which isn't that long in vampire history, we're probably going to be informed he was sired to Katherine too (the contrary would be against all logic by now) so what? No one else ever had feelings for their maker before? You can bet the Original turned vampires all the time. So yeah, confused. Was glad to have it confirmed that Elena had feelings for Damon before she turned and the sire bond didn't create any feelings for him though.

Someone had a theory over the D/E comm, I think it's stretching it but it would explain a lot. Maybe Damon is special... maybe he has the werewolf gene (the infamous 'Papa Salvatore wasn't really his dad' theory and the comparison the show likes to make between Damon and Klaus from time to time...). I think it's a little far-fetched but at least the rare thing would be explained.

For now, I see the inconsistencies but like the moon and the curse theory I'm calmly waiting it out. I'm sure the writers know what they're doing with this since they've been thinking about that plot since last season.

Stefan's reaction after Nandi spelled it out (and yeah, the witch survived unlike Gloria!) was glorious.

-About Stefan. I actually liked him in this episode, yeah he was a judging jerk with Damon most of the time, but what else is new? At least he apologized this time and Damon told him about a selfless thing he did for him in the past (for once Stefan knows about it).

But... he had a point about Damon lying to Elena about the sire bond thing. That part actually irked me, so thanks for your explanation and comparison with 'Bad moon rising', I think you're right, Damon would've probably broken down in less than a day and admitted to her. His reaction after Elena drank the blood bag was telling, he barely let her kiss him. He would've never been able to keep the charade for long.

Arabian: Damon07arabian on December 9th, 2012 08:18 am (UTC)
Hehe, I always love your very wordy reviews!! ;) And I'm about to get wordy myself lol.

Word-away!

I think it probably has to do with the Damon and Stefan interactions that we didn't (quite) get last week.

Ah, for me, that didn't help because this is my least favorite version of Stefan -- the holier-than-thou, can-do-no-wrong, hypocritical, bad!Damon!bad-sayer. So I couldn't enjoy it. I love the brotherly stuff like in "1916" and "The Sun Also Rises," but not when either is being an uber-jerky boy to the other.

I always love the flashbacks.

I have issues because I'm still annoyed that Damon has yet to get a solo-flashback episode. Yes, this one was more him than Stefan, although it was still more brother-based, but I'm still waiting for Damon to get some solo flashback love and every one that passes that doesn't give me that gives me a little grrr.

I have to admit that even though I loved this episode to pieces, it also made me very confused about the sire bond thing.

Yeah, I'm off that train. I don't think Elena is sire bonded to him now. There are just waaay too many inconsistencies in way too many ways all around.

What I'm confused with though is how psycho and obsessed Charlotte looked like. That was just creepy.

I still didn't see her as creepy. Here's a woman sire bonded to this guy and he abandons her and she's left for seventy years without this guy she madly loves. I can kinda see how she got to that point.

I cracked up at Stefan's line about no longer singing the song though, I missed that side of his, lol.

I do agree with this though, LOL!

What I'm even more confused about is how it can be so rare. Damon experiences it twice in like 150 years which isn't that long in vampire history, we're probably going to be informed he was sired to Katherine too (the contrary would be against all logic by now) so what? No one else ever had feelings for their maker before? You can bet the Original turned vampires all the time. So yeah, confused.

Right, cuz it's totally not the case. It's really the only thing that makes sense at this point.

Someone had a theory over the D/E comm, I think it's stretching it but it would explain a lot. Maybe Damon is special... maybe he has the werewolf gene (the infamous 'Papa Salvatore wasn't really his dad' theory and the comparison the show likes to make between Damon and Klaus from time to time...). I think it's a little far-fetched but at least the rare thing would be explained.

Dude, this Damon is a werewolf baby theory will never die will it? LOL!

For now, I see the inconsistencies but like the moon and the curse theory I'm calmly waiting it out. I'm sure the writers know what they're doing with this since they've been thinking about that plot since last season.

Yup, and that was the Macguffin, I'm calling this one too as such. Uh huh.

About Stefan. I actually liked him in this episode, yeah he was a judging jerk with Damon most of the time, but what else is new? At least he apologized this time and Damon told him about a selfless thing he did for him in the past (for once Stefan knows about it).

I did point out those few good things, but again, this Stefan (as I detailed at the top) is my least favorite Stefan. I still love him, but yeah, this one makes me not like him so much.

he had a point about Damon lying to Elena about the sire bond thing.

No, he didn't have a point because Damon doesn't do that. STEFAN DOES THAT. THat is STEFAN's M.O. and it was really shitty of him to assign that attitude to Damon when it's what Stefan does ALL THE TIME. Especially when the last few weeks have been filled with Stefan lying, omitting to tell the truth to Elena non-stop and not batting an eye at doing so, while Damon was able to manage it for a day and a half? Yeah, no.

That part actually irked me, so thanks for your explanation and comparison with 'Bad moon rising', I think you're right, Damon would've probably broken down in less than a day and admitted to her. His reaction after Elena drank the blood bag was telling, he barely let her kiss him. He would've never been able to keep the charade for long.

Nope, Damon doesn't lie to Elena, and vice versa. I love them. :)
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vanimy: Damon/Stefanvanimy on December 9th, 2012 02:42 am (UTC)
PART TWO

Damon and Stefan continue with their beautiful dysfunctional relationship actually. They love each other so much (the joy on their faces when they saw each other after 30 years was very obvious) but they're still in their assigned roles. Damon's the bad guy, taking advantage of women and killing people to get rid of a sire bond and wanting to lie about it to Elena and Stefan is the good guy, the voice of reason who tries to calm things down and asks his brother to be selfless for once (never mind how many times we've watched Damon being totally selfless with many different people). They're still stuck in that bad brother/good brother dichotomy (hence Damon's speech at the end about how he's a selfish guy for falling in love with his brother's girlfriend like it's something he could've helped...).

It's sad and riveting to watch. But also very realistic. Aren't we all like that with our siblings? I know I often regress to my little sister role with my older sister still today. And we had some kind of never ending circle with it, I was behaving like the role I was assigned and she was annoyed with me in return. Never ending circle with Damon/Stefan too.

And it makes so much sense.

The second thing that Stefan said was to Caroline when he so beatifically told her that he felt sorry for Damon. Oh, Stefan, being so noble that he actually equated Damon's love with his.

LOL, yeah I shook my head at that comment too. But again it goes back to how Stefan has trouble acknowledging the true Damon. Also, he probably doesn't know about the 'ILY' scene Elena just remembered, about how many times he tried to send Elena back to him at the start of the season. I suppose in Stefan's mouth this line was a compliment but lol for anyone who watches this show seriously.

Also it made Caroline back off so I was happy with it.

Secondly, oh, Damon-- man, the thing that ripped me the most for him was his speech to Elena about how he's the selfish one, taking what he wants. Because, really, he is NOT. He isn't selfish, not when it matters. He's put aside his desires plenty of times, he's helped others plenty of times, he makes good choices PLENTY of times. Still he sees himself as the worst.

*nods* Yes this whole scene just broke my heart. What also broke my heart was when he listened to Lexi's stupid arguments and left Stefan behind in 1942 because he thought he was the reason why Stefan fell in the first place.

I teared up there, damn show.

And why would he think differently? *nods at your analysis* His father told him he was a disappointment constantly indeed, his brother never wastes a second to remind him he's the bad brother, he spent decades on his own thinking he was the reason why his good brother fell and became a ripper and Lexi reminded him he was a nuisance. Also he lost the only person apart from Elena who saw right through him and his BS.

I really loved how Elena defended him to the girls and in her last scene with him. Love the fact she's not letting him do this to them.

-I have nothing to add about Lexi apart from the fact I hate this bitch too. That scene in the bar when she told Damon to **** off when Stefan wasn't there? I wanted to strangle her. Damon was closer to Human!Damon there and she's the reason Damon and Stefan separated ways again and why Damon was on his own for so long after that and turned his humanity switch off completely.

Ugh. Hate her.

Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on December 9th, 2012 08:26 am (UTC)
they're still in their assigned roles. Damon's the bad guy, taking advantage of women and killing people to get rid of a sire bond and wanting to lie about it to Elena and Stefan is the good guy, the voice of reason who tries to calm things down and asks his brother to be selfless for once (never mind how many times we've watched Damon being totally selfless with many different people). They're still stuck in that bad brother/good brother dichotomy (hence Damon's speech at the end about how he's a selfish guy for falling in love with his brother's girlfriend like it's something he could've helped...).

I guess that's why this wasn't a great Salvatore brothers episode for me because it was all wrong. Damon wasn't taking advantage of any women. Stefan's voice of reason was a crock of shit because he did exactly what he was so horrified with what Damon did in the last episode. And Stefan has been beyond not-selfless forever with Elena. Dude has even admitted that. As for Damon's speech, he's not selfish, he does selfless things all the time... and not just for Elena. And, yeah, he fell for his brother's girlfriend, but you know what... so did Stefan! Katherine was Damon's girl, they weren't public, but Katherine was with Damon and Stefan knew that, but he still pursued her.

I get why both characters said the things they did, but they were so contradictory to the truth and Stefan's 'I'm so noble and good' assertion is partly what has helped create Damon's belief that he sucks beyond anything else mentality. So, yeah, I couldn't enjoy that aspect of the episode.

Aren't we all like that with our siblings?

Yes, but generally you have other people close to you who call you on it when you revert to that attitude/age with your sibling. Instead, Stefan is surrounded by cheerleaders and Damon is surrounded by haters.

LOL, yeah I shook my head at that comment too. But again it goes back to how Stefan has trouble acknowledging the true Damon. Also, he probably doesn't know about the 'ILY' scene Elena just remembered, about how many times he tried to send Elena back to him at the start of the season. I suppose in Stefan's mouth this line was a compliment but lol for anyone who watches this show seriously.

Now, I'm not upset with the show. This is all totally in character, and to have written either any other way would have been out of character, but I couldn't enjoy their dynamic because it's not only hurtful and bad for Damon, but it's not good for Stefan either. It's not truthful for either of them.

Also it made Caroline back off so I was happy with it.

We'll see how long that lasts. Pfft.

*nods* Yes this whole scene just broke my heart. What also broke my heart was when he listened to Lexi's stupid arguments and left Stefan behind in 1942 because he thought he was the reason why Stefan fell in the first place.

Yup, and again, why I couldn't enjoy the brothers because Damon has that mindset very much so because Stefan sets that mindset not only up in Damon, but in everyone else who knows both brothers.

And why would he think differently? *nods at your analysis* His father told him he was a disappointment constantly indeed, his brother never wastes a second to remind him he's the bad brother, he spent decades on his own thinking he was the reason why his good brother fell and became a ripper and Lexi reminded him he was a nuisance. Also he lost the only person apart from Elena who saw right through him and his BS.

Yup, yup, yup. Poor Damon.

I really loved how Elena defended him to the girls and in her last scene with him. Love the fact she's not letting him do this to them.

Me too!

I have nothing to add about Lexi apart from the fact I hate this bitch too.

I wasn't impressed with her in her first appearance, but I've pretty much been done with her since her second appearance, and every subsequent appearance just adds fuel to my loathing.

Edited at 2012-12-09 08:27 am (UTC)
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vanimy: Elenavanimy on December 9th, 2012 02:43 am (UTC)
PART THREE

-The girls having fun was great, I agree, I also liked how when things got bad, they all forgot about their argument.

Caroline's comment about the bathtub was out of line and I'm glad Elena called her out on it (how hypocritical of her, is she part of the skanks too??) and I felt for Elena so damn much here. Poor girl, she just wanted to talk about it and first, Bonnie said 'no boy talk' and you could see Elena's face fall down a little and then when she admitted it in the middle of a fight, everyone started to judge her like sleeping with Damon turned her into a whore or something.

My poor girl. *hugs*

Also I loved Elena from start to finish in this episode. She was so much in character here it was ridiculous to even think being a vampire changed her. She was happy, she was a badass at the end to save Caroline, she was rightfully angry and called her friends on her BS, she was considerate of Stefan, she fought for Damon at the end. My baby girl.

I agree with your take on Bonnie and Caroline. I think Bonnie behaved more like a best friend than Caroline did. Sure, she wasn't happy with it but SHE DIDN'T JUDGE ELENA. She tried to patch things up with everyone and I really loved her in this episode.

including Elena's willingness to sacrifice herself for her friends. Because, yeah, Elena is STILL Elena. (No, Stefan, and Caroline, she has NOT completely changed at all. She just wants to be with Damon now instead of Stefan.) It was proof positive that Elena is still the same girl she was before she became a vampire when she offered herself up in torture in exchange for a friend. THAT is Elena.

Oh I really loved that too. This is classic Elena indeed.

It was when she began with her "One thing you can say about Ripper Stefan," (and here was where I cringed and narrowed my eyes) "is that he wasn't a manslut." (and here's where I nodded, because, yeah, true enough.)

Well... when Damon read Stefan's diary in 'The end of the affair', didnt it say that Stefan woke up with different women he didn't remember (hence the Stefan's not a virgin joke)?

I would really like Elena to learn about the 50 years celibacy thing Damon did. Not that much of a manslut when it matters, right?

One more thing about Bonnie, I mentioned at the top of the post that this episode provided the first "Ooh!" moment for me -- it was when Bonnie happily revealed what Professor Shane calls the magic he's teaching her: "Expression." Which we know, as delivered oh so casually earlier, from Nandi that it's not even dark magic, it's *worse* than dark magic. Oooh!!! Loved it.

Yep, ominous indeed.

- Are you sitting down? You should be because I'm about to be shocking. I actually thought Tyler (and Michael Trevino) was really great in the fight scene at the pool table, and the whole hybrids deal was pretty dang cool.

Mwahaha, MTE! I was also like 'Is it me or was Tyler actually useful in this episode??'

I like Madeline Zima (even if it's mostly reserved from her younger Nanny days), and I thought she brought the right amount of pathos to the role.

I didn't even recognize her!!! :o

I also thought it was interesting that for the first time EVER that a sex interest for Damon was introduced and there was NO sexytiems -- not even in the flashback. Heck, the show even when out of their way to not show the one time where something actually happened by instead having Damon tell Stefan that Charlotte had kissed him. It's almost like they wanted to honor the fact that Damon is with Elena now and thus us Damon/Elena fans really don't need to see him sucking face or getting it on with anyone else right now.

Yeah, I was also confused about the no kissing thing being shown too! Me likes. A lot.

- Aww, no Matt. Or Jeremy. Or Matt and Jeremy bonding at the Gilbert house. Shirtless. :(

- No Klaus, too. I can live with that.


Definitely agree with that.

I loved them. I loved him. I loved her. LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! SQUEE!

Hehe. Agreed with all of this basically.

Arabian: Elena06arabian on December 9th, 2012 08:35 am (UTC)

The girls having fun was great, I agree, I also liked how when things got bad, they all forgot about their argument.

Yup, me too!

I felt for Elena so damn much here. Poor girl, she just wanted to talk about it and first, Bonnie said 'no boy talk' and you could see Elena's face fall down a little and then when she admitted it in the middle of a fight, everyone started to judge her like sleeping with Damon turned her into a whore or something.

I know. Poor Elena. :(

Also I loved Elena from start to finish in this episode. She was so much in character here it was ridiculous to even think being a vampire changed her.

It's insane. Something did happen recently that changed her, but it wasn't her vampire turn. It was what happened on that bridge in 4.06 where I believed she finally forgave herself for not dying with her parents, thus enabling her the freedom to actually live without guilt, to go after what she wants, even if it's selfish.

I agree with your take on Bonnie and Caroline. I think Bonnie behaved more like a best friend than Caroline did. Sure, she wasn't happy with it but SHE DIDN'T JUDGE ELENA. She tried to patch things up with everyone and I really loved her in this episode.

I love hearing Bonnie get love from others. My Bonnie!

Well... when Damon read Stefan's diary in 'The end of the affair', didnt it say that Stefan woke up with different women he didn't remember (hence the Stefan's not a virgin joke)?</i>

To be fair, Damon just took that from it, and it can be inferred, but it isn't explicitly said so: "I've blacked out days. I wake up in strangers' blood, in places I don't recognize with women I don't remember." BUt even then, Caroline wouldn't know anything about that and what we saw of ripper!Stefan ourselves, he was in love with Rebekah, and although he played bloody twister with some girls, he wasn't all hanging on them, making out-like, he just drank from their wrists. On the other hand, when Damon had a bunch of girls over, they were all in lingerie and he was necking all over them. So, yeah, I can go with Stefan's not a manslut.

I would really like Elena to learn about the 50 years celibacy thing Damon did. Not that much of a manslut when it matters, right?

very true. But I don't think Elena cares what Damon did -- with other women -- before her.
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vanimy: D/Evanimy on December 9th, 2012 02:44 am (UTC)
PART FOUR (really I'm done after this one! :P)

My other, unresolved, quibble was Elena telling the girls that she was "falling in love with Damon." I don't know, I just really would have preferred had she said that she was just "falling for him" as opposed to the "in love" part.

Oh my quibble was how she said she was 'falling' in love with him. I was like 'just falling, as in right now? Like you haven't been in love with him for a very long time? Riiiight'. I think it worked because she was trying to explain it to Caroline and Bonnie. She was saying 'hey, it's not just lust, it's love! I know that now.' But since she's still a little in denial, she's saying she's falling in love with him when really, she already is.

Starting with that final, heartbreaking scene. I talked a bit about it above with regards to the cliffhanger aspect of it, but the whole thing, man, the whole thing was just heartbreaking.

*nods* I loved everything about it. I was so afraid we wouldn't get the Damon tells Elena scene in this episode but yeah, we did, and it ended on it. I just loved how she took his hand and put it on her heart, asking him if it didn't feel right. Just right in the feels. You wrote it much better than I could on this, so I'm just going to say WORD to all of it.

Damon will break that promise to Stefan *because* he loves Elena.

And I wonder what it's going to do to Stefan and their relationship. Also the fact Stefan still doesn't know about Damon and Elena sleeping together makes me think it's probably going to be a big deal when he does hear about it.

Also, are Damon and Elena going to keep their relationship a secret or?

Moving on, or rather backwards, to more of the awesome Damon/Elena in this episode. There was also that adorable second scene as Damon walked her to the door, making sure she has what she needs, using unnecessary apparel to steal one more kiss, just adorable. And, of course, as mentioned above we had the callback to "right" and that they are finally "right now." Squee! And Damon's victory 'yes" was cute and Elena's happy-happy all aglow around him was adorable. And I just love them so.

THIS. This was a dream come true honestly. This is how I wanted it to play out and the writers gave it to me. *sigh*

And then Stefan showed up and totally caught the tension, but likely figured it was all about him and not because they were just talking about not telling him that they were doing each other and hard ALL NIGHT AND MORNING LONG!

Mwahaha, I cracked up at that scene so hard. So awkward. How could Stefan be so oblivious at Elena's slightly guilty reaction when she saw him and Damon's stupid smile?

And I'm totally fine with the continued Stefan/Caroline intercuts because they are basically giving us Damon/Elena sexytiems while still making us hold out for the GOOOOOD stuff. I'm down with that.

Me too. Also I cracked up so hard at that. Are the writers trolling us? I'm sure they are and just picturing the outrage on the internet made me lol. So I had to rewind and rewatch the scene. Such a shame. :P

But in the meantime, we're getting THIS kind of hotness. HOLY SMOKERS! The chest and belly kisses, the hand on the boob, straying downward, the thrusting, the "O" faces, the bloody scratching down the back, which jeebus, help me, was sooo hot. Why was that so hot?! Seriously. Dayum. The whole thing (especially when edited to just their stuff) was so, so, soooooooooooo hot. I mean... yeah, this hotness:

Seeing the gifs again made me all flushed, *fans self* I kept repeating 'that was so hot' like 5 minutes after the scene was over, lol. Seriously how did this even air on the CW?? There was.... actual thrusting and nails scratching on his back and... I thought I was watching HBO for a second here.

Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on December 9th, 2012 08:40 am (UTC)
Oh my quibble was how she said she was 'falling' in love with him. I was like 'just falling, as in right now? Like you haven't been in love with him for a very long time? Riiiight'. I think it worked because she was trying to explain it to Caroline and Bonnie. She was saying 'hey, it's not just lust, it's love! I know that now.' But since she's still a little in denial, she's saying she's falling in love with him when really, she already is.

Yeah, I got a lot of good responses to that quibble. :)

I was so afraid we wouldn't get the Damon tells Elena scene in this episode but yeah, we did, and it ended on it.

Ah, see because I did read the synopsis and it said that Damon makes a heartbreaking decision, I was so expecting it.

And I wonder what it's going to do to Stefan and their relationship. Also the fact Stefan still doesn't know about Damon and Elena sleeping together makes me think it's probably going to be a big deal when he does hear about it.

Yup, yup, yup. I do think we may begin to start to see Stefan beginning a descent to rock-bottom-ness, but we'll see.

Also, are Damon and Elena going to keep their relationship a secret or?

I hope not! I want to see Jeremy and Matt's reaction!

Mwahaha, I cracked up at that scene so hard. So awkward. How could Stefan be so oblivious at Elena's slightly guilty reaction when she saw him and Damon's stupid smile?

Because Elena sleeping with Damon doesn't fit with Stefan's worldview therefore it's not a possibility, LOL!

Me too. Also I cracked up so hard at that. Are the writers trolling us? I'm sure they are and just picturing the outrage on the internet made me lol. So I had to rewind and rewatch the scene. Such a shame. :P

Nah, I don't think it's trolling, I really don't, I think it's they are giving us the hotness but still keeping us hanging on ... because we want the full, uniterrupted enchilada! It's very carefully, clearly planned as such! UH HUH!

Seeing the gifs again made me all flushed, *fans self* I kept repeating 'that was so hot' like 5 minutes after the scene was over, lol. Seriously how did this even air on the CW?? There was.... actual thrusting and nails scratching on his back and... I thought I was watching HBO for a second here.

I know! The only thing that I can't help but kinda roll my eyes at in this one and the one from last week (which emphatically proves that it's not on HBO), there is no way that Damon Salvatore wouldn't have ripped every single, solitary item of clothing off of Elena's body. Yeah. LOL! Still, for network-TV standards, I'm not complaining! :D
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hotarujazz: hands and dance 4x07hotarujazz on December 9th, 2012 12:10 pm (UTC)
Am I the only one who hears Phoebe Tonkin drop the accent all the time? Especially when she is pronouncing Tayler? Unfortunately, I heard she is gonna be here for long time. But I want to scream at her to take some acting classes ASAP!!
Alisha: Revenge - EmilyNolanBamfWalkkalishaka on December 9th, 2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
No. You are not alone. I just re-watched the episode and had to come here expressly to mention how much Phoebe Tonkin is making me crazy.
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Alisha: Revenge - EmilyNolanBamfWalkkalishaka on December 9th, 2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
Okay, so I re-watched this flawless episode last night and am now even more in love than I was. But, I need to ramble about something which you often comment on. Why is Phoebe Tonkin here and what is she doing? Is her acting really that bad? Is it because she has to play off of Trevino who really can't act at all? Like I'd been rather indifferent, probably because I don't pay attention to Tyler scenes...ever, but seeing her with David Alpay just hit home how very awkward she feels. I don't like it.

Also, can I mention how amazing David Alpay is....because I feel nothing but creepy, unsettling vibes.....and yet when he's actually talking to Bonnie...the charm is everywhere and I almost like him....which is exactly what should be happening. It's rather marvelous.
Arabian: Emily & Nolan01arabian on December 10th, 2012 08:48 am (UTC)
Why is Phoebe Tonkin here and what is she doing? Is her acting really that bad?

I don't think you ever watched The Secret Circle. It was rather lame and all the characters were pretty boring with boring, melodramatic dialogue and then there was Faye. Faye was basically the Damon Salvatore of TSC. She had the best lines, the most fun stuff to watch, and she was played by Phoebe Tonkin who is pretty with big eyes and could deliver a line with sass. And because the rest of the characters/dialogue were so flat, everyone gave praise to Tonkin for the enjoyable factor of Faye. Me? I saw a potentially great character with great lines who was denied depth and layers from the actress, who instead just delivered her one-liners with a sneer and a flash of those big eyes and played the surface emotion of every scene.

When I heard she was joining TVD, I wondered if she would surprise me and be as good as everyone else thought she was or as bad as I thought she was when paired with generally awesome dialogue all-around and surrounded by a mostly AWESOME cast. I think it's clear how things turned out.

Also, can I mention how amazing David Alpay is....because I feel nothing but creepy, unsettling vibes.....and yet when he's actually talking to Bonnie...the charm is everywhere and I almost like him....which is exactly what should be happening. It's rather marvelous.

Oh, I love him. He's AWESOME. Best casting since Rebekah (and Elijah) before that, in my opinion.
Dianabutterfly on December 9th, 2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
I just saw this gifset on tumblr and it's so relevant to the current situation:

Arabian: Damon & Elena25arabian on December 10th, 2012 08:44 am (UTC)
Awww. :)