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01 November 2012 @ 10:07 pm
4.04 - 'The Five' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So, you know what day is? You know what time it is? TVD-POSTING TIME!!!

Shortest Vampire Diaries review ever... because this was the most boring episode of the show since "There Goes the Neighborhood." Back in season 01. I was talking to sarcasticcheese trying to figure out why it all felt so off. First of all, the main conclusion was that the way that Elena acted with Stefan and Damon was as if NOTHING in season 03 happened, and as if the first three episodes of this season didn't happen. There was nothing other than AHHHHHH!Stefan-and-Elena TWU!WUV!4EVA! vibes all over the place. And Damon was just, you know, this guy who Elena didn't really hate, sorta considered a friend, but she just wasn't that into him. Which is what most of season 02 felt like (once she got over the hating part). Furthermore, Stefan was played completely as the tortured hero with the halo firmly intact, no shades, no multi-dimension.

So I checked for the writer/director. And the writers were Brett Matthews (who last co-wrote "The Departed") and Rebecca Sonnenshine (last episode was "Break On Through"). Whether you liked those episodes or not, they wrote a Stefan who had flaws, who wasn't the perfect hero. They also featured an Elena who may have been antagonistic towards Damon, but was clearly affected by him (in 3.17), and who may have still loved Stefan, but clearly had really, really deep feelings for Damon (in 3.22). So while I, at first, blamed my issues with this episode on the writing, as I was working through it, I realized that with different direction, all of the S/E scenes, Stefan scenes, Damon/Elena scenes, even Bonnie/Damon scenes -- she was back to uber-bitch mode with him last seen in 3.20 -- could have easily played with the same vibe we've had this season. An Elena and Stefan who still love each other but are going through the motions of trying to recapture what they once had. A Stefan who had layers to his words and actions. An Elena who was genuinely heated and turned on by Damon, who had common ground with him, who was AFFECTED by him, who was very much torn by how much she felt for him despite how she feels for Stefan. A Bonnie who accepts the positive of Damon while still being aware of the negative.

The dialogue was there, it was the direction that didn't play it that way. No, the direction played an Elena who wasn't torn at all, who was all about Stefan and Damon was just, you know, this guy. Think of the porch scene at the end-- had the scenes been played earlier with Elena being affected by it all because of her proximity to Damon (as opposed to JUST the vampire-stuff), her saying that it was just the vampire-stuff and leaving the Damon-aspect out of it would have fit with how she's been keeping the whole truth, nothing but the truth from Stefan. However, because it didn't play as if Elena was affected by Damon at all really, what she said to Stefan was the truth.

And the Damon/Elena scenes could have (and so should have been) played with heat and passion and desire that Elena felt for Damon, that Damon felt for Elena that were amplified by the vampire-stuff. Instead, it played as if it was the vampire stuff that got Elena all high and hot (and not all that much bothered at all). And the Bonnie/Damon discussion could have been played with confusion, an understanding that this is the situation, it sucked, and a true questioning if this is what he really wanted. Instead, it was just, yeah, Bonnie in uber-bitch-with-Damon mode.

Sure, you can say I'm grasping at straws and if the next few episodes play more like this one -- Stefan/Elena against the world united in their twuest wuv that ever wuved!, while Damon's just kinda there in the background, an annoying distraction, a fly in the ointment that is the twuest wuv that ever wuved! -- then, I'll concede I've been completely wrong about how I thought things were going. And I'll spend every episode bitching and wondering why the hell Damon doesn't just LEAVE! However.... The last three episodes REALLY did play out with the same vibe. Elena loves Stefan, he loves her, but they are in new territory, are mostly pretending it's old, and both are ignoring the Damon-shaped-feelings Elena has... even when Elena is slap-dash in the middle of feeling those feelings.

Finally, you know who directed this episode? Joshua Butler. You know what the last episode he directed was? "Do Not Go Gentle." The episode that inexplicably played a Stefan/Elena as if none of the events in season 03 had really happened, as if nothing between her and Damon had happened in the previous episode in how they interacted (nor her connection with him that had grown throughout the season), the one that played Stefan as nothing but the tortured hero with a halo and no layers or dimensions. In other words, the Stefan/Elena of season 02, the Damon/Elena of season 02. So, unless the next batch of episodes play Stefan/Elena like this one, and Damon/Elena like this one... I'm choosing to call this episode here an anomaly based on the directorial decisions.

ETA: Thinking more on this, it really was the direction because Stefan did a LOT of shady shit in this episode. Went behind Rebekah's back, used her vulnerability, played with Klaus to take Rebekah out, used Jeremy as a tool, didn't even seem agonized in the slightest as he lied to Elena's face about why he was with Jeremy. (Remember, Damon had difficulty keeping Stefan's secret from Elena.) Yet, the direction played him as the stalwart hero. On the other hand, Damon *was* doing good stuffs! He was helping Elena, he wasn't killing anyone, he kept Elena from killing anyone, he was teaching her how to be good, to feel good. He didn't do anything bad, and yet the way everyone treated him (and the way Damon acted) it was as if *he* was the bad guy.

Just very, very, very off in the direction. Big-time.

Quick thoughts --

- So did I call about Elena being humanized by season's end? I think I may have!

- Rebekah staked again. Damnit, Klaus!

- I did like the Five reveal backstory, and the Connor stuff, and the surprising Shane/Connor stuff, but man, that Todd Williams (Connor) is just a blank page. Nothing there.

- I did enjoy the Matt/Rebekah/April scene. "Hey! Hands off! I've got dibs."

- And Matt is keeping the truck, awesome.

- My favorite line was Stefan's "I'm thinking of the million other people I would prefer to be having dinner with."

- I did not realize until this very moment that there was no Tyler or Caroline. Damnit, Tyler has so dinged the character of Caroline for me.

- You want a character plot device? JEREMY was a character plot device.

- I love Ian Somerhalder. I think he's sexy as hale! That dancing tonight? So not sexy. He looked DORKY as hale. I don't know if they were dancing to no music while filming, or a different song than what played, but, yeah, no.

- I was really disappointed in the Damon/Elena moments. First reciprocated hug between them (she's hugged him before, but he's NEVER returned the hug) and you could barely tell and there was no significance given to it. All of the hyper Elena moments did not seem to be about Damon at all. Damon/Elena in this situation should have left viewers breathless. Nope. Didn't happen. What the hell? Again, very poor direction.

- What a waste of Daniel Gillies/Elijah. Geez.

- Ooh, another sign of poor direction... I wasn't sure if Rebekah had staked Alexander or he had staked her until Klaus told us coming out of the flashback.

- So, if you didn't know any better, would anyone *anyone* have had any clue at all that Stefan/Rebekah had a history? Yeah, didn't think so. Claire Holt and Paul Wesley still play off of each other beautifully, but this episode did not highlight their history at all in a very, very disappointing fashion.

Sadly, most underwhelming episode in like FOREVER. Very disappointed in the direction and NOT looking forward to any other episodes this guy directs unless, I suppose, Damon/Elena are clearly, clearly as written to be THERE FOR EACH OTHER, INTO EACH OTHER! He directed "Homecoming," which had some great Damon/Elena scenes, but as I said that was VERY CLEARLY WRITTEN FOR THEM, and I remember now I had issue with the 'were we supposed to think they were going to kiss?' moment that should have held longer. So yeah, don't want to see his direction again.

Sigh, and it was going so good. Again, I could be wrong, this could be the real direction, but I really, really, really don't think so and the next few episodes should give us an indication on the matter. We'll see.

ETA: Everyone read archangel_blood's post below. She REALLY nailed the specifics that make it absolutely clear it was ALL ABOUT THE DIRECTION. The writing wasn't the problem. Which is GREAT for Damon/Elena fans. The clear intention -- in the writing! -- was to keep the narrative going that's been building, but Butler's direction took a nose-dive... as it did in 3.20.
 
 
 
Cassandra Elise: bones not amusedcassandra_elise on November 2nd, 2012 03:20 am (UTC)
no, no, no! You were supposed to reassure me that all of the DAMON IS EBIL and STEFAN IS AN ANGEL vibes were in my head. :( Anyways, I'll write a more comprehensive response tomorrow after I've stewed a while.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on November 2nd, 2012 03:22 am (UTC)
The direction was just so very heavy-handed. But think about it -- and I'm gonna edit my post -- Stefan did a LOT of crappy things and Damon did good things, it was just the direction was so OFF and played it like Stefan was all good and Damon was not.

It was just off.
kilodalton: 10rose - doctor rosekilodalton on November 2nd, 2012 03:28 am (UTC)
... yes. This whole post. Thank you!
Arabian: David & Billie Dancingarabian on November 2nd, 2012 03:37 am (UTC)
Yeah, it was just weird, wasn't it? Totally has to be the director when you actually take the dialogue by itself, and apply how the last three episodes have been directed + how Butler directed "Do Not Go Gentle." This has to be an anomaly.
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - What? (Stefan)butterfly on November 2nd, 2012 04:05 am (UTC)
Ah, interesting thoughts about the direction. Stefan pulled a hell of a lot of shady shit this episode. I was side-eyeing him pretty much the entire time.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on November 2nd, 2012 04:09 am (UTC)
It was soooooo the direction.
(Anonymous) on November 2nd, 2012 04:23 am (UTC)
Basically Stefan is teaming up with Klaus to make Elena human and be a blood bag for Klaus for the rest of her life. Stefan is bascially doing all of this stuff for HIM. Not for Elena! He wanted to spend eternity with Elena but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. HE wants to live with Elena and be buried next to her at any and all costs even if it means Elena has to deal with Klaus for the rest of her life. It's very selfish and I hope it gets addressed soon.

Also, I totally think Ian and Nina were dancing to no music...they usually don't play music or even have any of the extras actually talking while the stars are talking. It ruins the sound on their mics. So, yeah they were dancing to nothing on set. It's gotta be awkard to dance to nothingness LOL!
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on November 2nd, 2012 04:28 am (UTC)
Yup, word to all of this. The dialogue, the story really did present us the same Stefan, Stefan/Elena, Damon/Elena as we've been getting, but the direction just so threw it off.

RE: No music, yeah, I figured it had to be something like that because, yeah, so did not work.
bluesuzanne: FFFFFFFS;DLKGJ;LSKSTERNUM???bluesuzanne on November 2nd, 2012 07:19 am (UTC)
Interesting insight re: the direction. I was so ready to point the finger at the writing but now you have me reconsidering. Definitely a problematic episode as far as the triangle was concerned. It was just.......... off.

Also word on the complete lack of Stefan/Rebekah. I've long given up hope of him being allowed to feel anything for her, but I still feel that in an episode where he's manipulating her emotionally and they're discussing all this heavy shit about love, it feels really, really forced for their romantic history not to come up in conversation.
Arabian: Damon & Elena15arabian on November 2nd, 2012 07:26 am (UTC)
I think I wouldn't have hit on the direction had it not been Rebecca Sonnenshine. She's always impressed with her subtlety and character layers, so I had to check the director and as soon as I saw that Butler had directed "Do Not Go Gentle" -- which had the EXACT same issue SO blatantly re: the triangle and Stefan -- I started thinking of the scenes in terms of dialogue/plot and realized that it all did fit with the flow from the last few episodes. It was really HOW that dialogue/plot was presented (via the direction) that was the issue.

I don't even know RE: Stefan/Rebekah. I just don't know.

ETA: Just gotta say, read archangel_blood's post below. She REALLY nailed the specifics that make it absolutely clear it was ALL ABOUT THE DIRECTION. The writing wasn't the problem.

ETA again: AHA! I just realized something! That final OTT porch scene with Stefan and Elena where they stood wrapped in each other's arms, their love displayed as so stalwart and true? Yeah, that scene. BOTH Stefan and Elena were LYING to each other. BIG-TIME. Stefan had just lied about Jeremy and was lying by omission hugely about the whole cure thing. Elena lied about not enjoying the vampire stuff and was lying by omission about the Damon-aspect of the night's events. Uh huh.

This is SO going our way. :)

Edited at 2012-11-04 12:22 pm (UTC)
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Jude: tvd; elijahdanceonstardust on November 2nd, 2012 07:22 am (UTC)
I have nothing to say other than this episode is boring. I agree. I actually didn't even download it at all because I'm like "meh." With Elijah, Daniel had only a few lines and off he went. Of course I was pouting. :/
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on November 2nd, 2012 07:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, definitely weak direction. Ah well.
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Zzzbogwitch on November 2nd, 2012 08:22 am (UTC)
Ian dances like a dad who thinks he's got the moves.

I agree. This one wasn't terribly exciting, mainly just a load of exposition we already knew about and Stefan being... Stefan. Disappointing.
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on November 2nd, 2012 09:18 am (UTC)
He did in this episode, but he normally looks hot and sexy as all get out. Not this time. That's why I noticed it.

I don't agree that it was a load of exposition about stuff we knew, all The Five stuff I thought was interesting, but I don't think they were flashback-worthy Klaus and/or Rebekah just telling it would have been fine. And the Damon/Elena/Bonnie scenes SHOULD have been awesome. Again, poor direction.

Edited at 2012-11-04 09:51 am (UTC)
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archangel_blood: D/E I knowarchangel_blood on November 2nd, 2012 09:25 am (UTC)
I thought this was just a generally poor episode. Additionally, there was so much hype surrounding it, that most people had very high expectations. The fact that it failed to live up to these only added to the overall disappointment and made the episode look even worse.

All the characters were like cardboard figures, who looked like the people from MF, talked like them, but somehow felt like shadows of themselves. Just odd. And yes, I’d blame the direction, because they were all saying the right things, but it felt hollow somehow. I think this is also the reason why the D/E scenes lacked the intensity they usually have, but same holds true for everyone else.

There was nothing other than AHHHHHH!Stefan-and-Elena TWU!WUV!4EVA! vibes all over the place. And Damon was just, you know, this guy who Elena didn't really hate, sorta considered a friend, but she just wasn't that into him.

Yes, and again, Elena did say all the right things, only they didn’t match her behaviour at all. She pretty much told Stefan point blank that he can’t help her right now; she rejected his rather weak suggestion that she could ask for Caroline’s help, and in essence stated that she just needs her Damon. Plain and simple. The way they chose to go about the lines delivery however, made it seem like Elena would rather eat iron nails than do this with Damon. And call me crazy, but I do not think this is what the writes had in mind for this scene at all.

She told Stefan that she doesn’t want to feel the things she is feeling. People may argue that she just meant the feeding, but it would be a stupid argument. Outside that party, when she kept repeating “I should be doing this with Stefan”, it certainly didn’t look like she was troubled by the act itself, but rather who she was doing it with.

Elena also admitted to Damon that she feels he was right about her, about them, and it terrifies her. Instead of denying the facts like usual, she actually recognized their existence, simply saying she wishes it wasn’t all true. This is progress for Elena, as far as I’m concerned. And yet, the way they acted around each other on that porch, it was as if Damon was just a mildly annoying guy whose presence she kinda tolerates. Completely crazy.

The whole episode resembled that awkward dancing scene, where they tried to guess the right moves without knowing what the song was. It’s as if the dialogue was also edited in later on, and the actors had to interact, not knowing what they are supposed to be saying to each other.

I do believe that the writing was consistent, and somehow the direction managed to ignore it. It was just a badly executed episode and that’s all there is to it IMO. I would agree that it was an anomaly of some sort and if the writing is anything to go by, I’d expect next episode to be back on the right track.
Arabian: Elena&Caroline03arabian on November 2nd, 2012 10:44 am (UTC)
Man, you so completely put it down to specifics that completely prove my belief that it was absolutely the direction. It was just so very, very off.

I just, gah, I just rewatched the dance scene and it felt completely pointless, like it was supposed to be building to something... but it didn't. So she was smiling, dancing, there was NOTHING about how she was dancing with Damon that would explain (a) Bonnie's look -- it was too dark and Elena covered too my by Damon for it to be about Bonnie seeing all the blood, (b) Elena's reaction. That should have been heated, sensual, burning, lava-hot building to this sexually tense breaking point and then BOOM! Bonnie sees that, BOOM! Elena sees Bonnie see her and BOOM! all the walls come back up. But we got NOTHING like that.

And as you said, the dialogue, the words, everything it was ALL there, it just didn't play well at all.
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Florencia: Damon (Love)florencia7 on November 2nd, 2012 11:13 am (UTC)
Can Damon leave town, please? I'll help him pack *sigh* I feel so sad saying that, because up till now I NEVER wanted him to leave town. But right now I just can't take it anymore. I would rather have no DE scenes than DE scenes devoid of emotions.

I knew I shouldn't get my hopes up too high the moment I knew the title. An important or even good episode, especially an important and/or good DE episode couldn't possibly have such an unassuming, lame title. OK. I need to calm down, because if I have “lame” in the first sentence already I can only get nastier lol I love this show. I want to love this show. But what they did in this episode was BEYOND UNACCEPTABLE for hundreds of reasons.

”And Damon was just, you know, this guy who Elena didn't really hate, sorta considered a friend, but she just wasn't that into him.” - Yes, YES! That's exactly how it felt! But why WHY WHY did it feel that way??? Why did they do that??? It makes NO SENSE character-wise. It added/changed/explained nothing in terms of character development, plot. AH I can't think clearly right now :[

We just took a dozen steps back to S2 or even earlier than that. I don't even know. The Damon/Elena scenes felt so... insignificant. The ONLY significant moment was when Elena hugged Damon and he closed his eyes for a second. That was the ONLY truly emotional, truly DE moment, and yet it was almost, kind of one-sided (!!! again, which season is this???), because like you said in your post, Elena seemed turned on by blood and nothing else.

Stefan manipulating Rebekah in such an awful way. I'm just speechless, and I will remain speechless until the show makes it clear that no, it doesn't make Stefan a hero (o__________________O) who would do anything for Elena, but rather someone who mercilessly takes advantage of someone vulnerable to try turning Elena back into a human blood-bag, so her personality is easier for him to handle. I'm sure they will have lots of fun riding their motorbikes in between Elena's blood donations. I'm sure Klaus won't bother them more than necessary.

Having said all that... and even considering that I really hoped something meaningful would happen in this episode DE-wise... I have to admit that I'm kind of glad that they didn't even kiss. If they did, it would have been really JUST because Elena was being hyper and THAT would've been just as bad as... well, as this entire episode was anyway LOL Still, I guess I'm just trying to see through my disappointment. Maybe this episode won't be as bad in retrospective? However, for the first time in forever I'm not excited for the next episode :[ And if SEx happens then I think I may call it quits with the show and wait until the season is over to watch it on DVD. I just can't get over the bitter taste this episode left me with and if there is more of SE to come... I don't know. And it's not just DE. This episode was surprisingly, stunningly boring. And watching Rebekah being emotionally crashed and tortured and manipulated over and over again was just the nail in the coffin.

I don't even want to think about TVD until next week.
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on November 2nd, 2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
Stefan manipulating Rebekah in such an awful way. I'm just speechless, and I will remain speechless until the show makes it clear that no, it doesn't make Stefan a hero (o__________________O) who would do anything for Elena, but rather someone who mercilessly takes advantage of someone vulnerable to try turning Elena back into a human blood-bag, so her personality is easier for him to handle. I'm sure they will have lots of fun riding their motorbikes in between Elena's blood donations. I'm sure Klaus won't bother them more than necessary.

Amen! I love how when Damon does not so nice things, even though for the most part they are for the greater good (saving someone's life or getting the bad guy) he gets straight up attitude, but when Stefan manipulates, lies, or deceives it's okay and the freaking angels sing on high. I'm sure once Elena finds out the truth she'll fall at Stefan's feet and worship at his altar, yet again. Ugh!
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(Anonymous) on November 2nd, 2012 01:17 pm (UTC)
Thank you for doing all the "comparing director/writer" homework here. The consensus from all the comments on reviews I've read is that this last episode did not sit well with most fans. Elena's reactions were downright rude to Damon in spite of his efforts to help her. I was a serious Delena fan until this episode. Now I am hoping he maintains some dignity and takes off. She deserves the cardboard devil in angel's clothing if she's going to be so cruel.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on November 4th, 2012 03:35 am (UTC)
No, don't give up. One REALLY badly directed episode should not deter you. The dialogue/narrative VERY MUCH continued the great D/E stuff that's been set up, including the downward S/E spiral.
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on November 2nd, 2012 02:13 pm (UTC)
Part I:

It's the morning after and I still feel underwhelmed, unimpressed, and quite frankly over last night's episode. From the beginning the episode was off and I agree with you that while the writing was there for great stuff to happen, Joshua Butler's direction was the biggest contributor to the lameness of the episode, particularly with the Damon/Elena and Damon/Bonnie/Elena scenes. Along with the direction I get the feeling that Ian and Nina weren't feeling it which also contributed to the lack of spark or any real connection between Damon and Elena. Ian brings it to every scene he's in regardless of his feelings about the trajectory of Damon's story, but in this episode I didn't get that "I'm going to kick this scene's ass" vibe from him. As for Nina, I wonder sometimes if she ever gets sick and tired of Elena's "Stefan is the wind beneath my wings-my all-encompassing true love-there can never be another for me lameness. If I were her I would be so over it by now.

Now that I think about it, I think this episode must have underwhelmed Ian, Nina, Paul, Kat, Steven, Joseph, and Claire as well. Usually they're all "TVD is on tonight and it's kick ass" on Twitter, but I don't think we really got any of them promoting like that this week. I could be wrong, but I don't remember seeing a lot of that like we have in other weeks. Someone can fact check me on that ;)

Quick thoughts:

- Stefan was all kinds of shady in this episode and even when his lies, deception, and alliance with Klaus come to light, it will be okay and the only one who will call him out on it is Damon. Elena will be all "Why did you keep this secret from me" and then she'll profess her love and once again fall at his saintly feet, even after she realizes that he knew going in that Klaus' plan was to use a human Elena as a walking talking blood bag so he could rebuild his hybrid army. Man, where can I get a boyfriend like that?

- So I know a lot of people think that Elena is a shoo in for being turned human now that we know there is a cure for vampirism, but me not so much. Elena becoming a vampire was HUGE and with all the emphasis on her attempts to come to terms with being a vampire and working through her "growing pains" turning her human again would be pointless and quite frankly, human Elena for me kinda blows, well right now vampire Elena kinda blows too, but there are so many different things they could do to make vampire Elena awesome. For me, it would be better if after all is said and done if Stefan is the one to turn human. Out of all the vamps besides Elena, but she's a newbie still, Stefan is the one who you know hates being a vampire. He denies his true self, wants to fix Elena so she doesn't have to "live" like that, and can't control himself. If anyone would benefit from being a human again it's Stefan.





Arabian: Damon13arabian on November 4th, 2012 03:45 am (UTC)
It's the morning after and I still feel underwhelmed [...] From the beginning the episode was off [...] Joshua Butler's direction was the biggest contributor to the lameness of the episode

Right, and knowing that, it should put your mind at ease overall and don't go borrowing head-desking before it's deserved. If we get continued stuff feel like this next week, then we know, yeah, we were wrong. But I really 100% believe it was ALL direction.

Along with the direction I get the feeling that Ian and Nina weren't feeling it

No, no, no. I can not state this emphatically enough. NO. It is NOT their fault. Proof of this? If the fault lays at all to blame at Ian and Nina's feet, then it also lays at Kat Graham's, and Paul Wesley's, and Steven R. McQueen's. Do you REALLY think that THAT many actors of the main cast would be THAT off and THAT not feeling it ALL on the same episode? No, of course not. It is direction. Period. As someone who has taken directing classes, trust me, you can't blame the actors with something like this. They have to trust the director to lead them to how a scene is supposed to be played and considering that Nina, Ian, Kat, Paul and Steven ALL played the scenes off to one degree or another... you know it's DIRECTION, not the writing and not the acting.

I could be wrong, but I don't remember seeing a lot of that like we have in other weeks. Someone can fact check me on that

To be fair, with the Election coming up AND Sandy -- they (actors=New York=knowing people) could have just been way too heavily on their mind.

Stefan was all kinds of shady in this episode [...]Elena will be all "Why did you keep this secret from me" and then she'll profess her love and once again fall at his saintly feet

As I said above earlier in your response to florencia7, I'm not sure. I really do think there will be fall-out this time. That was just TOO big what he did. WAY too big. Don't be head-desking until it actually happens. Despite the HORRIBLE direction, the narrative completely continued the flow of the last few episodes which has been in our favor.

So I know a lot of people think that Elena is a shoo in for being turned human [...] with all the emphasis on her attempts to come to terms with being a vampire and working through her "growing pains" turning her human again would be pointless

I disagree simply because I could see them using this opportunity to show the full effect/follow-through with Elena being a vampire NOW. Then when she goes human again, but decides to turn for DAMON when the series reaches its end, they can save that decision for the last few episodes because we've already seen (a) Elena turn and how she's affected originally, and (b) it means that when she turns for Damon, she'll know how to control herself. Win/win. Sorry, but I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want Elena to choose to turn FOR Damon. If not, what was the point of the discussion in 1.08 with Elena/Lexi (which then I do think was intended to be about Stefan/Elena, but when they followed that narrative through in 1.11 and 1.14 with Damon/Elena proved to me that narrative is about Damon and Elena) and the Stefan/Elena discussion in 2.20 where Elena basically admitted she NEVER intended to/wanted to turn for Stefan.

For me, it would be better if after all is said and done if Stefan is the one to turn human. Out of all the vamps besides Elena, but she's a newbie still, Stefan is the one who you know hates being a vampire. He denies his true self, wants to fix Elena so she doesn't have to "live" like that, and can't control himself. If anyone would benefit from being a human again it's Stefan.

I've actually thought it would be awesome if Stefan and Caroline wound up turning human, possibly Rebekah -- since she said she wanted it, leaving us with Damon and Elena only. (Tyler would be dead, of course. Hey, it's my dream theory. Oh, yeah, and Klaus too, but eh.)

Edited at 2012-11-04 03:48 am (UTC)
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on November 2nd, 2012 02:14 pm (UTC)
Part II:

(Damn LJ limits!)

- Poor Rebekah, staked by her lover, betrayed by her brother and Stefan, and then staked by her brother. Can this chick catch a break? I hope they bring Claire back soon. I miss her already :(

- Um hello TVDPTB, Daniel Gillies is a freakin' rock star; can we get some more substantial scenes please?

- Love the April/Rebekah friendship. That line from Rebekah about her having dibs on Matt was amaze-balls :)

- Professor Shane is weird and another character I could do without. Ditto for Connor.

- Bonnie's rant pissed me off last night, but I agree with you Jenn, if the scene had been directed better, what Bonnie said would not have come off as bitchy and self-righteous as it did.

- Have to admit that the frat house dancing stuff with Damon and Elena was all kinds of bad. When I first saw the stills I thought the scene would be fraught with sexual tension, heat, sparks, chemistry...not so much. To me it looked like Damon and Elena were not high on the blood or high on each other, but high on the roofie that douche dude was lacing drinks with. Did not like!

- I do love that Elena messed with douche dude. That was cool!

- Elena totally loved feeding and stalking her prey. Liar, liar, pants on fire! You were loving it until you caught a glimpse of Bonnie and she either reminded you of your human self or you saw the disapproval in her eyes.

Sadly, next week I will not be rushing home from work or killing myself to get an hour or two of work done on my thesis so I can sit down and watch the show live. It might just be a watch TVD in the morning on my DVR before work kind of week.

Edited at 2012-11-02 02:16 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon14arabian on November 4th, 2012 03:51 am (UTC)
- Poor Rebekah, staked by her lover, betrayed by her brother and Stefan, and then staked by her brother. Can this chick catch a break? I hope they bring Claire back soon. I miss her already :(

ME TOO! WAH!

- Um hello TVDPTB, Daniel Gillies is a freakin' rock star; can we get some more substantial scenes please?

Duh! (Just as long as they don't continue that utterly icky Elena/Elijah vibe. YUCK!)

- Love the April/Rebekah friendship. That line from Rebekah about her having dibs on Matt was amaze-balls :)

Rewound that scene. Loved it.

- Professor Shane is weird and another character I could do without. Ditto for Connor.

I'm over the actor, but I think that Connor is a great addition. Sadly, he comes WITH the actor. And I'm intrigued by Shane.

- Bonnie's rant pissed me off last night, but I agree with you Jenn, if the scene had been directed better, what Bonnie said would not have come off as bitchy and self-righteous as it did.

Yup, made me think of her rant in 3.20 (also BADLY directed by Butler) and how that one could have been directed to reflect what I came to when I re-thought the scene through. Same thing here.

- Have to admit that the frat house dancing stuff with Damon and Elena was all kinds of bad. When I first saw the stills I thought the scene would be fraught with sexual tension, heat, sparks, chemistry...not so much. To me it looked like Damon and Elena were not high on the blood or high on each other, but high on the roofie that douche dude was lacing drinks with. Did not like!

Yup. Man, Butler is SO on my shit-list.

- Elena totally loved feeding and stalking her prey. Liar, liar, pants on fire! You were loving it until you caught a glimpse of Bonnie and she either reminded you of your human self or you saw the disapproval in her eyes.

Right. And she loved doing it with Damon. (Hehehehe, 'doing it with Damon' -- I'm 12.) Meaning that she LIED TO STEFAN on the porch, but it was directed as if Elena was being totally REAL with Stefan. Whatevs, Butler.

Sadly, next week I will not be rushing home from work or killing myself to get an hour or two of work done on my thesis so I can sit down and watch the show live. It might just be a watch TVD in the morning on my DVR before work kind of week.

I will text you when I'm done watching you to give you a heads-up. :)

ETA: AHA! I just realized something! That final OTT porch scene with Stefan and Elena where they stood wrapped in each other's arms, their love displayed as so stalwart and true? Yeah, that scene. BOTH Stefan and Elena were LYING to each other. BIG-TIME. Stefan had just lied about Jeremy and was lying by omission hugely about the whole cure thing. Elena lied about not enjoying the vampire stuff and was lying by omission about the Damon-aspect of the night's events. Uh huh.

This is SO going our way. :)

Edited at 2012-11-04 12:23 pm (UTC)
hotarujazzhotarujazz on November 2nd, 2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
I wanted to add my few cents on how directing was bad in this episode!

I think it showed especially in Stefans part of episode. I felt like show was trying to make me sympathize and root for him in the way the scenes were filmed but his actions and lines made me hate him instead. It felt like the director totally missed the point writers were trying to make.

That continues to show in the way Delena scenes were filmed. I felt again like the show was trying to make me think Damon was a frat boy douche but Ians acting and actual lines and actions of character made me feel sympathetic to him instead. Again totally missing the point writers were trying to make.

The scene on the porch was to me saved by brilliant acting by Ian and Nina(the way their eyes and body language were adding thousand layers to conversation) that even the weird editing and camera movement couldn't destroy.

In conclusion, I think Elena made some strides in this episode but I absolutely hated that it made me feel like she is being judged and punished every time she has some fun! I think DE is endgame still and what was truly weird is that I kinda felt Bonnie saw Damons point when he explained himself and I'm still holding hope that she will eventually come to his side when it comes to Elena.
Arabian: Elena04arabian on November 4th, 2012 04:03 am (UTC)
I think it showed especially in Stefans part of episode. I felt like show was trying to make me sympathize and root for him in the way the scenes were filmed but his actions and lines made me hate him instead. It felt like the director totally missed the point writers were trying to make.

RIGHT!! Exactly like in 3.20 when there were things Stefan said and did that were terribly selfish, yet the direction painted him with a holy halo! UGH!

That continues to show in the way Delena scenes were filmed. I felt again like the show was trying to make me think Damon was a frat boy douche but Ians acting and actual lines and actions of character made me feel sympathetic to him instead. Again totally missing the point writers were trying to make.

Yes, yes, yes!

The scene on the porch was to me saved by brilliant acting by Ian and Nina(the way their eyes and body language were adding thousand layers to conversation) that even the weird editing and camera movement couldn't destroy.

Yeah, I FELT stuff in their scene, but then Stefan came out and suddenly it was all AAAAHHHH!Stefan/Elena!TWUWUV4-EVA! vibes all over the place. Ugh.

In conclusion, I think Elena made some strides in this episode but I absolutely hated that it made me feel like she is being judged and punished every time she has some fun! I think DE is endgame still and what was truly weird is that I kinda felt Bonnie saw Damons point when he explained himself and I'm still holding hope that she will eventually come to his side when it comes to Elena.

I agree. We really did see strides made, but the direction really screwed over that growth. :(
Florencia: DE (6 AM)florencia7 on November 2nd, 2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
ETA: For some reason I can't edit my previous comment, so I have to spam you with a new one lol & I have to spam you with a new one because I just had a moment of illumination ;)

In 4x03 when Elena asked hallucination!Damon why she was thinking about him, he said (= she told herself) that it was because she was more like him than like Stefan. And now, in 4x04, that conclusion was *kind of* proved wrong. What I'm trying to say, is that maybe what we should get out of this (still terrible, I'm not changing my opinion about it just yet lol) episode is that the reason why Elena keeps thinking about Damon is not because they are similar in their vampire ways, but because she has feelings for him.

Another thing that came to my mind: while talking to Rebekah Stefan said something about Elena being driven by love and compassion, so if she ever turned off her humanity, there would be no way to get her back (and I actually don't really understand why Stefan is drawing this conclusion, but let's ignore that part lol). It just made me think, or rather *feel*, that if we will ever see Elena going off the rails, it will be Damon who will make her turn her humanity back on, since Stefan gave up on that possibility already.

And yes, I'm totally grasping at straws here haha
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on November 4th, 2012 04:05 am (UTC)
ETA: For some reason I can't edit my previous comment, so I have to spam you with a new one lol & I have to spam you with a new one because I just had a moment of illumination ;)

S'okay. I'm all for 'moments of illumination!' Hee. :)

In 4x03 when Elena asked hallucination!Damon why she was thinking about him, he said (= she told herself) that it was because she was more like him than like Stefan. And now, in 4x04, that conclusion was *kind of* proved wrong. What I'm trying to say, is that maybe what we should get out of this (still terrible, I'm not changing my opinion about it just yet lol) episode is that the reason why Elena keeps thinking about Damon is not because they are similar in their vampire ways, but because she has feelings for him.

Hmm, I think it's both. She is like him in many ways, but she's all hot to trot for him, LOL! (And I don't think the episode is terrible, looking at what was said -- not HOW it was said -- it is good for us. The direction just sunk it SO HARD!

Another thing that came to my mind: while talking to Rebekah Stefan said something about Elena being driven by love and compassion, so if she ever turned off her humanity, there would be no way to get her back (and I actually don't really understand why Stefan is drawing this conclusion, but let's ignore that part lol). It just made me think, or rather *feel*, that if we will ever see Elena going off the rails, it will be Damon who will make her turn her humanity back on, since Stefan gave up on that possibility already.

Ooh!! I totally agree. And I'd actually kinda like to see that happen now!

And yes, I'm totally grasping at straws here haha

No, I see where you're coming from, and again, the narrative of the episode continues to be good for us, the direction just sunk the battleship this time. But we will win the WAR! Hahaha!
bitcheesquared: pic#65968164bitcheesquared on November 2nd, 2012 05:56 pm (UTC)
God! I hope you are right and it's the direction... My daughter said it all... she and her friend (they are 13) took one look at the scene with Stefan and Elena right at the beginning and went... Oh gross let's all puke rainbow puppies. LOL
If Damon pulled the shit that Stefan pulled in this episode, he's get caned. It will be interesting to see what Elena's reaction will be if she ever learns of tonight's adventures.
After this craptastic episode I'm voting for Damon to undagger Becks and run off to Tahiti with her. it was so full of Stefan love, that If Paul wasn't already married, I'd suspect he was dating the director. ROTFLMAO
Arabian: Damon & Elena14arabian on November 4th, 2012 04:11 am (UTC)
God! I hope you are right and it's the direction...

It's the direction. Read archangel_blood's post above. She detailed it more than I did. It's ABSOLUTELY the direction.

If Damon pulled the shit that Stefan pulled in this episode, he's get caned. It will be interesting to see what Elena's reaction will be if she ever learns of tonight's adventures.

I do think we actually will get a not-very-good reaction from Elena. This was pretty lousy what Stefan did -- he the arbiter of Elena's choice, not even letting her know there is a choice to be made.

After this craptastic episode I'm voting for Damon to undagger Becks and run off to Tahiti with her.

Damon hates Rebekah and Rebekah doesn't give two shits about him. SHE TORTURED HIM HORRIBLY. Then killed the girl he's madly in love with RIGHT AFTER HE SAVED HER LIFE! How in any way is she better to be with Damon over someone who does love him (even if she can't admit it), who does support him when he's falling apart, who does defend him, who has thanked him for his actions, who has stood by him despite his horrible, horrible actions of the past? It's not. She's not. Elena still treats Damon better than ANYONE else, and frankly, after he KILLED HER BROTHER, better than he deserves to be treated. But she still's there, still his friend, still by his side. Is she pulling away? Is she scared shitless about her feelings for him that don't fit her narrow world-view? Yes. But it doesn't make what she feels for him and what she's done for him any less powerful.

it was so full of Stefan love, that If Paul wasn't already married, I'd suspect he was dating the director. ROTFLMAO

But it wasn't in the writing, just the crappy direction. And that is key.
wiccabuffy: TVD - Damon says its ok to be a psychowiccabuffy on November 2nd, 2012 07:00 pm (UTC)
To me, the dancing was more that they were both "drunk" off the high of blood, and that smirk of Damon's when she said she wanted more? So. Perfect. Especially considering the books, where Damon keeps talking about turning Elena into his "Princess of the Night".

I like that Elena is having a different direction in terms of being a vamp than Vicki or Caroline did. Vicki was hungry all the time and wanted to kill, eventually dying when she attacked Elena. Caroline actually KILLED someone, feeling remorse, and was almost staked until the gang saved her from Damon (and then there was awesome Steroline that I loved that was brought back this season). Elena can't drink from anything but the vein so yeah, I have a feeling she'll be human again (but I wish she wouldn't be!). I love the idea that Jeremy might be going to a darker place with Connor now.

Stefan was once again doing bad things for Elena, just as Damon was doing "bad things" for Elena. I like that they are blurring the lines again, but Elena is so messed up she doesn't know what to do about it because again, fighting her feelings for Damon is CLEARLY not working. She sees "him" during sex, she enjoys feeling like a vampire (in the moment) like him.

I would like to see Tyler die by the end of the season. Someone from the 1st season always does each year, and I think although Matt is the human, he's the only human left. I have a feeling the Klaus storyline will be ending and JoMo will be leaving, which would bring the hybrids to and end & could give Caroline some interesting stuff to work with acting-wise. Also, more Steroline please (if we're not going to have Klaroline).

Poor Rebekah. Just. I love her even more now.

Any appearance of Daniel is never wasted, IMHO. ;)

As for any D/E scenes, I think the one in the classroom was priceless. And as for the party? Again, why should Elena be "into" Damon so soon? She's still a teenager, has no clue what Stefan did, and is completely confused by her magnified feelings for both Damon as well as her vampiric feelings. Give me the long, slow burn. And give me a Damon who ogles college girls even as he is "teaching" Elena. Elena is ashamed of feeling so terrible, BECAUSE she loves Damon. And because she knows she should treat him better and she's not. She keeps turning to Stefan (unknowingly) because it's what she's used to. While Damon is right, it's always hard to admit that he's right in her mind.
Cassandra Elise: damon/elena dancingcassandra_elise on November 2nd, 2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
I don't mind the long, slow burn either. My issue with the episode is the entire tone of "DAMON is EBIL," even though he was the one helping Elena, and "SAINT STEFAN can do no wrong," even though he was the one being a total douchebag, manipulating Rebekah, siding with Klaus and hiding informtion from his brother and his "true wub." As people have noted, it seemed like the director, not the writers, was intent on making Stefan the flipping hero.

I loved the classroom scene, too. It was very fun and flirty. I thought Elena's comments to Stefan at the end that she doesn't like the feelings that are coming to the surface had nothing to do with being a vampire and everything to do with being attracted to Damon.
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(Anonymous) on November 2nd, 2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
I wonder if the idea is for fans of Stelena to get an episode they think will be massively in their favour only for for it to be Delena and vice versa? Because that's how it's reading to me right now. Maybe it's an attempt to recruit fans from one side to the other? .. a hint here: not gonna work. I'm still as delena as ever. I'm just too old for Stelena ( way too middle school for my liking). Ugh, this episode. So many expectations - and just as many disappointments. I think it's obvious they realize the momentum Delena had after the last episode was too much, so they did a correcting move to re-establish the triangle. Come on! This show is *so much* better than this. Though I did like the vampire hunter/ the five plot. It has potential and I'm looking forward to it. Anyways, I love your reviews.. Hope you're not as bummed out about this EP as I am.
Arabian: Damon & Elena19arabian on November 4th, 2012 04:32 am (UTC)
I wonder if the idea is for fans of Stelena to get an episode they think will be massively in their favour only for for it to be Delena and vice versa?

I don't think so because the narrative/dialogue continued the strain that we've gotten in the last two episodes. It was the direction that played it all so differently. This SHOULD have been an awesome episode for D/E, but the direction screwed that all up.

Maybe it's an attempt to recruit fans from one side to the other? .. a hint here: not gonna work.

No, there's no way they would go that route now. I think they realize it's put up or shut up time with D/E and we're getting there.

Ugh, this episode. So many expectations - and just as many disappointments.

I had very little expectations because I hadn't been reading spoilers, yet I was still disappointed.

I think it's obvious they realize the momentum Delena had after the last episode was too much, so they did a correcting move to re-establish the triangle.

No, not at all. Because this episode would have been written before the 2nd was even finished filming likely. At most while the 3rd was finished filming. The dialogue/narrative COMPLETELY fits the great D/E, not so great S/E that the last couple of episodes gave us. It was the direction -- by the same guy who directed Stefan/Elena as very season 02-ish in "Do Not Go Gentle" which made as sense there as much as it did here, ie, none at all -- that screwed it up.

This show is *so much* better than this.

Yes, it is. Unfortunately, the direction did not live up to how good the rest of the show is.

Though I did like the vampire hunter/ the five plot. It has potential and I'm looking forward to it.

Me too.

Anyways, I love your reviews.. Hope you're not as bummed out about this EP as I am.

I'm not bummed about the episode. I'm bummed that the director totally messed up what should have been another great episode. :(

Edited at 2012-11-04 10:01 am (UTC)
Azmiri Sultana Mridul: pic#116834057mridul777 on November 2nd, 2012 07:59 pm (UTC)
This episode was....how shall I say it... ah... Disappointing to the T! .... First up, Bonnie's judgment seemed back in full force.... the "You're disgusting"! and cue eye roll... umm Bonnie, Stefan used to RIP actually rip people limb by limb, and I am guessing he didn't put in anesthesia first when he did that, and who's to say he didn't do worse ... Tyler was a major douche'... Jeremy blew you off for his "ghost" girlfriend.. Matt broke up with Caroline just because he found out that the girl was a vampire, even though she saved his life... and this guy (Damon) , I am not justifying his actions, but at least he's upfront about his sexual "appetite"... and he gets the eye rolling and name callings and the judgement...ugh!

And then some very cute and significant D/E moments were just drained in vain... like you mentioned, their hug, which could have been made into something more meaningful and significant ..was just...used... and let go. Moreover the way Damon was, I dunno, if it's writing or direction or what, he's not this pathetic fool for love kinda guy, I mean he is, but the guy who was soo soo strong in season 2, (when Elena didn't have the hots for him that we saw her having in S3) who looked Elena dead in the eye and said "I will always choose you", with conviction and strength and the power that she might not reciprocate his love, but it doesn't matter and that his love is somehow making him stronger, giving him focus. He might be emotional, and foolish for again falling in love with a woman who might not love him back, but he was strong and didn't behave like a lost puppy... pathetically. :(

That guy was nowhere to be seen, instead we got this guy who wore his heart on his sleeves... really bad dancing (TBH I always found Ian's dance kinda...umm funny...umm sorry please don't kill me... :P ).. and it felt like they were high. The scene was, I think supposed to be equal parts Elena in a daze of pleasure and equal parts in abandon of her feelings towards Damon, but it seemed like, she was on something and she was getting on top of the first guy on the dance floor and the moment she spotted her bestie she came to her senses, made a run for it... instantly transforming into human Elena. weird!
And whatever cool-ness Bonnie gained throughout S2 and S3, they squished it out in this single episode.... they just made her into judge-y old witchy-teen Bonnie again. With the hots for the shady professor.



Edited at 2012-11-02 08:00 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Caroline06arabian on November 4th, 2012 04:37 am (UTC)
This episode was....how shall I say it... ah... Disappointing to the T! .... First up, Bonnie's judgment seemed back in full force.

But that was the direction, not the dialogue. The dialogue played it as a Bonnie who was concerned and was trying to get where Damon was coming from. But the direction -- by the same guy who made Bonnie so horribly judgmental in 3.20 -- sent Bonnie in the wrong direction.

the "You're disgusting"! and cue eye roll...

That didn't bother me at all. She was talking about his sexist comment, which was disgusting, and deliberately so as taken by Damon's smirk as he checked out a hot girl walking by. I thought that was funny.

umm Bonnie, Stefan used to RIP actually rip people limb by limb, and I am guessing he didn't put in anesthesia first when he did that, and who's to say he didn't do worse ... Tyler was a major douche'... Jeremy blew you off for his "ghost" girlfriend.. Matt broke up with Caroline just because he found out that the girl was a vampire, even though she saved his life... and this guy (Damon) , I am not justifying his actions, but at least he's upfront about his sexual "appetite"... and he gets the eye rolling and name callings and the judgement...ugh!

Again, I don't think it's fair to compare any of those things at all. Damon was being sexist. Deliberately so. That comment from her actually showed a comfort with Damon that was nice to see. I could have seen her saying that to Tyler or Matt or even Jeremy.

And then some very cute and significant D/E moments were just drained in vain... like you mentioned, their hug, which could have been made into something more meaningful and significant ..was just...used... and let go. Moreover the way Damon was, I dunno, if it's writing or direction or what, he's not this pathetic fool for love kinda guy

It was ALL the direction. 100%, absolutely, positively THE DIRECTION. Read archangel_blood's post above. She detailed it more than I did. It's ABSOLUTELY the direction.

it felt like they were high. The scene was, I think supposed to be equal parts Elena in a daze of pleasure and equal parts in abandon of her feelings towards Damon, but it seemed like, she was on something and she was getting on top of the first guy on the dance floor and the moment she spotted her bestie she came to her senses, made a run for it... instantly transforming into human Elena. weird!

Not weird, really, really, REALLY bad direction.

And whatever cool-ness Bonnie gained throughout S2 and S3, they squished it out in this single episode.... they just made her into judge-y old witchy-teen Bonnie again.

I don't see it that way at all because I do believe 100% that it was the direction. The same way that Bonnie was better with Damon in season 03 and then -- oops, in 3.20, the same director had her being all bitchy and awful to him. Same thing happened here. Without this director, I expect to see Bonnie back on track in the next episode. Her dialogue was fine with Damon, it was the terrible, terrible direction in that final scene.
Azmiri Sultana Mridul: pic#116834065mridul777 on November 2nd, 2012 08:01 pm (UTC)
This trend that they seem to be following in most of the epi's of S4, that somehow they either forgot or they want us to forget that S3 existed and stuff that went down in there actually happened, is really really bugging me. First with Stefan's pushing Elena with the animal blood, when he of all people should know that it NEVER works. Then the complete off balance of D/E relationship. Okay, I get it, she chose Stefan.. they are in "EPIC LOVE".. but she is the girl who kissed Damon back and also the girl who without any provocation or forcing slammed her lips into Damon's mouth in a motel with her brother sleeping in a room not so far. What happened to those feelings? She is the girl who ADMITTED that she has feelings for Damon, but she is not out of love with Stefan..... what...uh... what kind of twisted dynamics is this that they (the writer's) are sorta forcing us to kinda forget whatever that has happened in S3? :O

And then, the porch scene, significant D/E setting..and again.... FAILURE!!!! Elena sorta said it out loud that she doesn't wanna be like Damon.... ummm then what would she like to be like..Stefan? Cuz last I checked there is no door number 3 for her. And what's so bad in being like Damon.... if she learns enough then she might..just might not end up killing someone at all (wishfully thinking)... and the guy who is actually helping you achieve something productive you treat him like trash...take him for granted, tell him ON HIS FACE "Oh I shouldn't be doing this with HIM, I should be doing this with Stefan?"...
1. Stefan would rip first teach later 2. Does she not know, that this guy loves her and saying that to his face is well mean, isn't she supposed to be the compassionate one? or did vampirism gave her amnesia?
The pathetic lost puppy (regarding Elena) kinda personality that they made Damon have in this epi, kinda reminded me of Rufus Humphrey from Gossip Girl and how he is treated by his wife/ex Lily Van Der Woodsen-Bass-Humphrey. Like trash, yet he supports her EVERYTIME! The D/E scenes which could have been made into something beautiful, were total disappointments and filled with judgement.

The way they are carrying on the show, I am scared they are gonna loose more viewer's than ever. Shows like ARROW and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST are grabbing more viewer's than TVD nowadays, and are surprisingly refreshing... The trend the episode's are following... I am kinda scared for my show.
And it's like not much of the other character's matter in here, or even if they do, they are given very off end results. Look at Rebekah.... wasn't it bad enough that she was tricked, trashed, neck snapped and alienated today ... did she HAD to be staked again? IMHO totally unnecessary and plain cruel.

And Stefan. He does stuff like he did today and gets to give big speeches like "I want to have children with her, die with her..etc" and become the BIIG romantic hero, and Damon takes one sexy moment out with the girl he loves WHILE he actually DOES good.. and that very girl....stomps his heart. How is that fair?

I am sorry... I am just very disappointed, that's why I have blabbered endlessly.

Parts that I DID love though are the sibling fight moments and Stefan's awkward referee positioning..that was funny.

Stefan: “Let me just name the million other people I’d rather be having dinner with right now." LOL

And how do they get from there, to staking Rebekah... wasn't Stefan sorta on her side, or was what he said at the Grill an act for get her to listen? And I am guessing he compelled Jeremy... last 2 times Damon did that.... it was World war 3 in the fandom.... what uh... what about now?

Edited at 2012-11-02 08:09 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elena04arabian on November 4th, 2012 05:10 am (UTC)
Part 1 -- (YUP!)

This trend that they seem to be following in most of the epi's of S4, that somehow they either forgot or they want us to forget that S3 existed and stuff that went down in there actually happened, is really really bugging me.

This contention I've read elsewhere and it really bothers me because it is SO NOT TRUE. Aside from the crappy direction -- which did put S/E and D/E back in season 02 behavior, which he also did in "Do Not Go Gentle -- the other episodes and the dialogue/narrative of this episode has been true to the events of season 03. Everything that is going on with Stefan/Elena and Damon/Elena is BECAUSE of what happened in Season 03. The problems that have always been there with S/E, but didn't seem to permeate their bubble of delusion, are doing so now because of the separation, because of Stefan's actions, because Elena started to grow up (and grow stronger) without Stefan holding her back. Elena beginning to realize that she needs Damon's help, accepting Damon's help is BECAUSE of their relationship growing and evolving in season 03. The others turning to Damon, telling him stuff is BECAUSE of everything Damon did in season 03.

Did she take some steps back? Yes, but she also acknowledged a lot of things with Damon and went pretty far in doing things his way. Again, total follow-through in all that happened in season 03.

First with Stefan's pushing Elena with the animal blood, when he of all people should know that it NEVER works.

But Stefan is the king of denial, that's nothing new and totally in character.

Then the complete off balance of D/E relationship. Okay, I get it, she chose Stefan.. they are in "EPIC LOVE".. but she is the girl who kissed Damon back and also the girl who without any provocation or forcing slammed her lips into Damon's mouth in a motel with her brother sleeping in a room not so far. What happened to those feelings? She is the girl who ADMITTED that she has feelings for Damon, but she is not out of love with Stefan..... what...uh... what kind of twisted dynamics is this that they (the writer's) are sorta forcing us to kinda forget whatever that has happened in S3? :O

Again, THE DIRECTION. This is NOT the writer(s). And it CERTAINLY has not been the case of the direction in the other episodes in any episode since 3.19 ... EXCEPT for 3.20 -- which was directed by the same guy who directed this episode. Read archangel_blood's post above. She detailed it more than I did. It's ABSOLUTELY the direction.

TBC
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wiccabuffy: TVD - Girl Next Door (Nina)wiccabuffy on November 2nd, 2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
Ooo, found this out... the lyrics to the songs that played:

During Delena dance:

I feel so close to you right now
It’s a force field
I wear my heart upon my sleeve, like a big deal
Your love pours down on me, surrounds me like a waterfall
And there’s no stopping us right now
I feel so close to you right now

During Stelena scene:

And it feels like I am just too close to love you
There’s nothing I can really say
I can’t lie no more, I can’t hide no more
Got to be true to myself
And it feels like I am just too close to love you
So I’ll be on my way.
Arabian: NinaDobrev08arabian on November 4th, 2012 05:17 am (UTC)
Ooh, thank you for that. This just confirms even more that the narrative I've been seeing on the show (and in this episode's script, if not direction (grr!) is right on the money. :)
elmerodeadorelmerodeador on November 2nd, 2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
Hey arabian!! You was right!! You told me that you thought that in the end of this season Elena could become in human again! And that can be! There is a cure of vampirism! I can't believe it!! This would change the relationships between these three guys a lot, again!! Hahahahaha I'm really surprised about it, what a shot! I can't wait for watching more. It turns very interesting.

This episode has been a little boring but well, the next week the gang will work together again and it'll be better. I've missed Caroline! I've loved too much Joseph Morgan, I think he plays very good this character and I like a lot his accent!

Poor Rebekah, she is a fucking bitch but nobody should be treated in this way. Although I think the Matt's hallucination of the last chapter told her a truth. For deserving to be loved first you must love, and she needs to focus in this again. She has suffered a lot in the love stuff but the life is in this way, a lot of ups and downs. Come on Rebekah!! I'm in your team!

About all of the director/writers, I can't say anything because I don't have any idea about how is working in a set of a TV Show. But you'll be right, like always :) I think that your a Bennet witch. Lucky girl if you can taste the new hot creepy professor Shane.

Arabian: TVD-Cast01arabian on November 4th, 2012 05:19 am (UTC)
Hey arabian!! You was right!! You told me that you thought that in the end of this season Elena could become in human again! And that can be! There is a cure of vampirism! I can't believe it!! This would change the relationships between these three guys a lot, again!! Hahahahaha I'm really surprised about it, what a shot! I can't wait for watching more. It turns very interesting.

I was like WOOHOO! GO ME! Now, of course, it's not a given, but it's still cool.

This episode has been a little boring but well, the next week the gang will work together again and it'll be better. I've missed Caroline! I've loved too much Joseph Morgan, I think he plays very good this character and I like a lot his accent!

Yeah, it was the direction, I'm sure we'll be back on track next week.

Poor Rebekah, she is a fucking bitch but nobody should be treated in this way.

Aww, I don't see Rebekah that way at all. She's the female equivalent of Damon. She just wants to be loved and never gets chosen so she lashes out. :(

Although I think the Matt's hallucination of the last chapter told her a truth. For deserving to be loved first you must love, and she needs to focus in this again. She has suffered a lot in the love stuff but the life is in this way, a lot of ups and downs. Come on Rebekah!! I'm in your team!

Exactly!

About all of the director/writers, I can't say anything because I don't have any idea about how is working in a set of a TV Show. But you'll be right, like always :) I think that your a Bennet witch. Lucky girl if you can taste the new hot creepy professor Shane.

LOL! Yeah, other people saw the same thing. It's totally direction!

(BTW: I am working on the fic. I'm going to give my beta-reader one more call out and if she can't get to it, I'll just go ahead and start posting the done chapters.)
jamdourado: pic#111516876jamdourado on November 3rd, 2012 04:16 am (UTC)
Agreed with everything you said.
The DE dance was so awkward, it was supposed to be hot but it didn't work for me.
I'm not trying to judge, but what was the deal with Stefan being cool with Klaus using Jeremy and then compelling him?? He didn't seem guilty for doing it.
And the Elena becoming human plot??? Just no!! I don't know why she has to go through all this trouble if she will become human again and I'll hate if this season will be only about this "cure".
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on November 4th, 2012 05:23 am (UTC)
The DE dance was so awkward, it was supposed to be hot but it didn't work for me.

Ugh, I don't think it worked for anyone. Stupid direction fracked it up!

I'm not trying to judge, but what was the deal with Stefan being cool with Klaus using Jeremy and then compelling him?? He didn't seem guilty for doing it.

Because that's what Stefan does. As long as he thinks it's the right thing, the end justifies the means.

And the Elena becoming human plot??? Just no!! I don't know why she has to go through all this trouble if she will become human again and I'll hate if this season will be only about this "cure".

See, this for me makes perfect sense. (And what I predicted would happen.) I look at it this way: I see them using this opportunity to show the full effect/follow-through with Elena being a vampire NOW. Then when she goes human again, but decides to turn for DAMON when the series reaches its end, they can save that decision for the last few episodes because we've already seen (a) Elena turn and how she's affected originally, and (b) it means that when she turns for Damon, she'll know how to control herself. Win/win. Sorry, but I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want Elena to choose to turn FOR Damon. If not, what was the point of the discussion in 1.08 with Elena/Lexi (which then I do think was intended to be about Stefan/Elena, but when they followed that narrative through in 1.11 and 1.14 with Damon/Elena it proved to me that they switched from S/E to D/E endgame, making the narrative about Damon and Elena) and the Stefan/Elena discussion in 2.20 where Elena basically admitted she NEVER intended to/wanted to turn for Stefan.
(Anonymous) on November 3rd, 2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
I actually really like "the five" plot and I think it could be interesting. It will bring Stefan, the mopey version anyway, into a morally gray area and they are totally switching Stefan and Damon's places in the selfish vs selfless area. Everything that Stefan said in this episode about him and Elena was really about what he wants. Damon, on the other hand, has made it pretty clear that his one goal with Elena wasn't to be with her for eternity. He wants Elena to be happy and live a happy life, which means that if she wants to be human he will give that to her. If she wants to stay a vampire he will help her understand her vampirism and teach her how to be happy while being one. So, this episode proved to me that this season will take Damon's heroic actions to another level. He really is everyone's voice of reasion, sanity, and maturity. The writers are actually playing the Damon hero card a lot so far and it's only a matter of time before they start to write other characters as noticing it too. Jeremy, for one, is already on that path. I couldn't help but think that Stefan was really putting Jeremy in danger by agreeing to include him in Klaus's scheme. It won't win Stef any favors from Jeremy's POV and judging from the promo and Elena saying how important Jeremy is to her to Damon, Elena won't like it either. Elena would rather die a horrible death than put her brother in danger and Stefan should know this...but it's all about him and his needs.

As for the porch scene, I think Elena is really struggling right now but it's important to note that she did apologize for what happened at the party. She never wanted to hurt Damon or lead him on or anything. The thing is though, I don't think Damon thought anything would happen between him and Elena romantic-wise. He was helping her so I think it screams VOLUMES that it's Elena who is thinking that she was leading him on by dancing with him. It's obvious where her mind was at the party while Damon was just trying to protect her and let her have some fun. He was in no way thinking he was going to get laid tonight by Elena or anything. Damon is not pining. He''s just trying to be the better man by helping Elena out so she could have a semi-happy eternity as a vampire.

She is going to kill someone for sure now because she is once again rejecting her vampirism and she won't truly understand why Damon has taught himself to not value human life in order to feed on humans. After killing, Elena will be completely consumed by her guilt and it will probably make her suicidal. It will be Damon who will pick up the pieces only then will Elena understand why Damon does what he does.
Arabian: Elena05arabian on November 4th, 2012 05:52 am (UTC)
I actually really like "the five" plot and I think it could be interesting. It will bring Stefan, the mopey version anyway, into a morally gray area and they are totally switching Stefan and Damon's places in the selfish vs selfless area.

I agree with all of this, except I've kinda always found Stefan quite, quite selfish and Damon the selfless one when it comes to Elena.

Everything that Stefan said in this episode about him and Elena was really about what he wants. Damon, on the other hand, has made it pretty clear that his one goal with Elena wasn't to be with her for eternity. He wants Elena to be happy and live a happy life, which means that if she wants to be human he will give that to her.

Yup, and this is kinda what we've gotten going back at least to 2.08. Remember in 2.03, Stefan flat-out told Caroline that he should stay away from Elena because it's best for her, but he can't stay away (selfish). And then we have Damon in 2.08 being totally selfless, wanting her to get what she deserves, what will make her happy.

So, this episode proved to me that this season will take Damon's heroic actions to another level.

And we did get that speech from him in the first episode that really points to potentially where this season is going. I like.

The writers are actually playing the Damon hero card a lot so far and it's only a matter of time before they start to write other characters as noticing it too.

I actually think they started playing it in 3.21 and it's continued through then. It was just Butler's HORRIBLE direction that screwed that over this episode.

I couldn't help but think that Stefan was really putting Jeremy in danger by agreeing to include him in Klaus's scheme.

Agreed! I really think there will be fallout from this one.

Elena would rather die a horrible death than put her brother in danger and Stefan should know this...but it's all about him and his needs.

Yup.

As for the porch scene, I think Elena is really struggling right now but it's important to note that she did apologize for what happened at the party. She never wanted to hurt Damon or lead him on or anything. The thing is though, I don't think Damon thought anything would happen between him and Elena romantic-wise. He was helping her so I think it screams VOLUMES that it's Elena who is thinking that she was leading him on by dancing with him. It's obvious where her mind was at the party while Damon was just trying to protect her and let her have some fun. He was in no way thinking he was going to get laid tonight by Elena or anything. Damon is not pining. He''s just trying to be the better man by helping Elena out so she could have a semi-happy eternity as a vampire.

I agree completely that such was the intention, it was just really crappy direction on the director's part because that didn't come across in the party scenes. Ugh. It's really frustrating because had this been directed well this could have been a STELLAR episode all-around.

She is going to kill someone for sure now because she is once again rejecting her vampirism and she won't truly understand why Damon has taught himself to not value human life in order to feed on humans. After killing, Elena will be completely consumed by her guilt and it will probably make her suicidal. It will be Damon who will pick up the pieces only then will Elena understand why Damon does what he does.

Well, the next episode is called "The Killer." I keep wondering if the killer will turn out to be Elena.
vanimy: Elenavanimy on November 4th, 2012 02:07 am (UTC)
PART ONE

So... just watched the episode and I have to admit I'm also on the 'this episode was so lame' bandwagon.

First, thanks for a reasonable explanation on why Damon/Elena and their scenes felt so off; the bad direction helped me understand why I couldn't feel the usual spark.

But the direction doesn't explain everything to me. I'm just really really tired of Stefan The Official Douchebag and Stefan/Elena. Seriously I just can't with them anymore. I side-eyed Stefan the whole episode and no small tears in the eye will make up for what he did to Rebekah and lying to Elena and Damon's face.

DOUCHE.

At least Klaus knows he's a bastard and doesn't try to act like he isn't one. Stefan is a walking hypocritical douchebag but tries to pass off as the white knight. Ugh. Please, writers, I'm this close to giving up on Stefan's character. There was like nothing redeemable about him in this episode. Not even his wish to save Elena which is probably what the writers were trying to write about but only read as complete selfishness to me.

I actually liked Ripper!Stefan more even if he was ripping heads off. At least he was funny.

I did like his line in the dinner scene though.

-Re : Stefan/Elena. Every scene with them feels like a torture now. And the emphasis on how Elena would rather be with Stefan all the time than Damon The Psychopath felt like a blow.

Also this line about Stefan and Elena being turned to human and living together forever is one of my big fears now. I think the writers could pull off an ending like that and it would suck big time. But I don't think that this line was thrown without a purpose.

Also I'm tired of the writers recycling S/E scenes. Just how many times have we watched Elena crying about something on Stefan's shoulder and him acting like the sympathetic boyfriend? I was rolling my eyes so hard at this point.

-Damon/Elena were also butchered in this episode. This dance scene was so idiotic, I just want to forget it ever happened. So awkward. The hug scene could have been huge, instead the only good thing about it was Damon's eyes closing. But again... this is all one-sided.

I did like Elena apologized to Damon on the porch but it wasn't enough to make me like her again.

Elena was a big ungrateful hypocrite in this episode too. Can she act even more disgusted at the thought of spending time with Damon? Ugh.

At this point I'm really starting to think she will never feel anything for Damon that will ever come close to what she feels for Stefan and that's probably the epiphany she'll have at the end of the season when she'll conveniently will be back to human, you know the human who will always choose Stefan (dixit Julie Plec)?

I also really want Damon to get the hell out of town at this point. Let the two idiots be together if that's what they want. Ugh. The poor guy tries to help, taught her well and supported her and he's still considered as the evil guy no one likes.

F**** this.

-I hoped the Professor thing with Bonnie meant she'd finally get a plot of her own. Alas he's linked to Connor and so it means Bonnie's plot will probably only serve the main plot.

-I'm a little underwhelmed at that whole cure thing. I mean Esther could do it with a few spells, right? also this episode clearly wanted me to think it only meant a cure for Elena and Stefan to be together as humans. Ugh.

-I'm with you on Connor being underwhelming. I felt it in this episode. BTW how gross was this decapitating scene? I had to look away from the screen. Was it really necessary?



Edited at 2012-11-04 02:19 am (UTC)
Arabian: Elena04arabian on November 4th, 2012 06:10 am (UTC)
PART 1 -

So... just watched the episode and I have to admit I'm also on the 'this episode was so lame' bandwagon.

The sad thing is that I think with good direction this could have been an incredibly stellar episode. It really seemed to set up a lot of stuff -- The Five mystery, Stefan going down the no-one-can't-notice-selfish-path and Damon being the hero, doing the right thing, plus whatever fallout may derive from Elena pulling away from learning how to control her vampirism.

First, thanks for a reasonable explanation on why Damon/Elena and their scenes felt so off; the bad direction helped me understand why I couldn't feel the usual spark. But the direction doesn't explain everything to me. I'm just really really tired of Stefan The Official Douchebag and Stefan/Elena.

It's not just the D/E scenes though. Think of the dialogue in the Stefan/Elena scenes -- archangel_blood illustrated it really well in her post above. All of the stuff with Stefan/Elena, with Elena, with Damon/Elena, with Stefan continued the narrative we've so been enjoying. The direction just blew it all to hell in a handbag.

Seriously I just can't with them anymore. I side-eyed Stefan the whole episode and no small tears in the eye will make up for what he did to Rebekah and lying to Elena and Damon's face.

Agreed, and I actually kinda think there WILL be fallout this time. AND that it just might open the door to callbacks to Stefan's other lies/omissions. Maybe.

Stefan is a walking hypocritical douchebag but tries to pass off as the white knight. Ugh. Please, writers, I'm this close to giving up on Stefan's character. There was like nothing redeemable about him in this episode. Not even his wish to save Elena which is probably what the writers were trying to write about but only read as complete selfishness to me.

See, I don't think the writers are trying to write him as anything but what he is -- a selfish kid who has harbored so long under this delusion of heroic awesomeness that he totally believes it. I really am beginning to think that Stefan is heading for a fall -- a BIG one. And it's going to play out over the season leading up to next season.

-Re : Stefan/Elena. Every scene with them feels like a torture now. And the emphasis on how Elena would rather be with Stefan all the time than Damon The Psychopath felt like a blow.

Agreed with the torture, however, not so much with the last line. Because, again, DIRECTION. I keep going back to 3.20 and how it MADE NO FUCKING SENSE how Elena acted with Stefan and didn't act at all with Damon. It was like 3.19 (and everything with Stefan/Elena and Damon/Elena in season 03) HAD NOT HAPPENED. And it was directed by fucking Joshua Butler. WHO DID THE SAME DAMN THING IN THIS EPISODE. When the dialogue/narrative tracks with the last couple of episodes and dude's done this before, I think it's VERY reasonable to assume that it is HIS fault, and not the writer's. A lot of times recently Elena has been saying one thing, but the direction has been showing viewers something else. Here, Butler just went with the surface and ignored all the freaking subtext. UGH!

Also this line about Stefan and Elena being turned to human and living together forever is one of my big fears now. I think the writers could pull off an ending like that and it would suck big time. But I don't think that this line was thrown without a purpose.

To show how selfish Stefan is. To show that Stefan is making this call without talking to Elena. To show that some vampires may get this, but it won't be Stefan/Elena.

TBC

Edited at 2012-11-04 06:12 am (UTC)
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PART TWO

-Bb Jeremy, how I love you. But agreed on the total plot device.

-I think it's the first time I've really liked Matt/Rebekah. I think he's probably the only honest person around her right now.

-Speaking of Rebekah, I really felt for her in this episode. It seems so unfair that everyone is constantly manipulating her. And such a dick move from Stefan and Klaus. I didn't even see the point in daggering her now they had what they wanted. She probably would've let them do whatever they wanted to do, she just wanted to leave.

Can Rebekah grab Damon and leave town? I feel that these two are always treated unfairly and I'm tired of it.

-Elijah's cameo was useless. I didn't even squee when I saw him again.

-I didn't even notice Caroline and Tyler weren't in this episode until the end. Not a good sign?

-The only scene I actually liked throughout in this episode (let's end on a better note, shall we?) was the dinner scene. The beginning was hilarious, the music, Stefan watching the two siblings fight. Spot on.

Alas...

These past two episodes made me hope for a better season this year but now I'm starting to think we just got lucky the past two weeks. I'm not very excited for next week.
Arabian: Matt & Rebekah02arabian on November 4th, 2012 06:19 am (UTC)
I think it's the first time I've really liked Matt/Rebekah. I think he's probably the only honest person around her right now.

SQUEE!! YAY! :D :D :D

Speaking of Rebekah, I really felt for her in this episode. It seems so unfair that everyone is constantly manipulating her. And such a dick move from Stefan and Klaus. I didn't even see the point in daggering her now they had what they wanted. She probably would've let them do whatever they wanted to do, she just wanted to leave.

They daggered her because they didn't want ANYONE else to know about this thingie and they figured she would spill. As for Rebekah, I'm beginning to think of her as the female equivalent of Damon. She just wants to be loved and never gets chosen so she lashes out. :(

Can Rebekah grab Damon and leave town? I feel that these two are always treated unfairly and I'm tired of it.

I agree with the latter, but have to disagree HEARTILY with the first part. Damon hates Rebekah and Rebekah doesn't give two shits about him. SHE TORTURED HIM HORRIBLY. Then killed the girl he's madly in love with RIGHT AFTER HE SAVED HER LIFE! How in any way is she better to be with Damon over someone who does love him (even if she can't admit it), who does support him when he's falling apart, who does defend him, who has thanked him for his actions, who has stood by him despite his horrible, horrible actions of the past? It's not. She's not. Elena still treats Damon better than ANYONE else, and frankly, after he KILLED HER BROTHER, better than he deserves to be treated. But she still's there, still his friend, still by his side. Is she pulling away? Is she scared shitless about her feelings for him that don't fit her narrow world-view? Yes. But it doesn't make what she feels for him and what she's done for him any less powerful.

-I didn't even notice Caroline and Tyler weren't in this episode until the end. Not a good sign?

TYLER IS DESTROYING THE AWESOME OF CAROLINE!

-The only scene I actually liked throughout in this episode (let's end on a better note, shall we?) was the dinner scene. The beginning was hilarious, the music, Stefan watching the two siblings fight. Spot on.

I did love this scene, but I was reminded the Damon/Elena scene in the classroom was actually pretty great. The crappiness of the following scenes just made me forget.

These past two episodes made me hope for a better season this year but now I'm starting to think we just got lucky the past two weeks. I'm not very excited for next week.

Really, it was the direction. The dialogue/narrative flow are continuing the same path. I took directing in college, directing is my dream job, trust me, directors can make THAT big a difference. They create the mood, the feel, the meaning of a scene and if they are reading from a different subtextual script than the writer it can completely screw things up. As it did in this episode. But the narrative flow that we loved in the last few episodes writing-wise DID continue here.

ETA: AHA! I just realized something! That final OTT porch scene with Stefan and Elena where they stood wrapped in each other's arms, their love displayed as so stalwart and true? Yeah, that scene. BOTH Stefan and Elena were LYING to each other. BIG-TIME. Stefan had just lied about Jeremy and was lying by omission hugely about the whole cure thing. Elena lied about not enjoying the vampire stuff and was lying by omission about the Damon-aspect of the night's events. Uh huh.

This is SO going our way. :)

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