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26 October 2012 @ 12:05 am
4.03 - 'The Rager' (The Vampire Diaries)  
For reals, ya'll, this will not be long. FOR REALS. Ahem.

I don't know which onscreen pairing gave me the most feels. OK, I do, it was Damon/Elena, but still... SO MUCH TO CHOOSE FROM THAT WAS GLORIOUS!!! (We'll save the winner for last!)

- Stefan/Caroline - Their first small scene was cute, and had the sweet humor they share, but I didn't appreciate it completely until the episode was over because of the whole 'you helped me, you're helping her' since Stefan so is not helping Elena in the right way. But clearly that's obvious, so I'm down with Caroline's bias. And, of course, the last scene was AWESOME. Seriously, I SQUEED! They made me hand-wave with girly joy! Oh, how honest and open they are with each other. Her "Come to me," slayed me. AHHHHHHHHH! And his almost bashful, smiling compliment on what a great vampire she is and what surprised pleasure that brought her had me grinning. The looks and the music and the AAHHH!!!!!!! I love them so much! I've MISSED them so much!

- Damon/Jeremy - Even though we technically only got one scene, there was so much obviously that took place offscreen. Jeremy called Damon, told him about thte tattoo, told him Connor's address, told him about the whole conversation. Which we know from Damon showing up at the trailer, and his letting Elena know that Jeremy called him, and Damon mentioning the disappearing tattoo. Jeremy just spilled all to Damon, and in that brief scene they did share, he so came across like the kid wanting his big brother to think he's cool. "See, I told you I could be bad-ass!" "Bad-asses don't say that." Dude, I was dying. I rewound that part a gazillion times. I ♥ Damon/Jeremy stuff and this was A-W-E-S-O-M-E!

- Damon/Matt - OK, this is stretching it, but any Damon/Matt interaction I'm gonna cling to at this point and Damon choosing to nicely compel Matt was great.

- Matt/Rebekah - I know that their stuff seemed mostly negative, but I actually found some positives. Once again, Matt is the only person that Rebekah is showing any remorse over. Second, yes, Matt told Connor her name... BUT, Rebekah is an original and Matt knows she can't be killed (except by that stake and it's not easy-getting to... unless you're Elena and Damon has the stake, but more on that later). Finally, most importantly... the werewolf venom-induced hallucination. And here's where I start delving into Damon and Elena as well.

We know from Damon's werewolf bite reaction and the hallucinations that follow that when someone who matters shows up and speaks the truth, that is basically the bitee telling a hard truth to themselves that they haven't dealt with. With Damon in "As I Lay Dying," we had hallucination!Elena show up during his 1864-Katherine flashback to spill some hard tea on him. That Katherine was toying with him, that he could have walked away, he could have said no. But he made the choice. And, of course, we saw the follow-through to that when Damon admitted that truth to Elena as he lay dying. It was his choice. He had no one to blame but himself.

Here we had hallucination!Matt telling Rebekah that she wants love so much, but she's thrown hundreds of years away not appreciating life, and so she doesn't deserve love. In other words, she needs to give in order to receive. And so we saw the follow-through with her being genuine with April. Which was a scene I really enjoyed. I kinda liked April last week, but I really was feeling her in that scene with Rebekah. The lonely girl with nobody pretending to smile so she doesn't cry, and how because she didn't know any better she was being nice to Rebekah. And Rebekah, taking hallucination!Matt's words to heart, genuinely being nice in return. Claire Holt and Grace Phipps have a lovely chemistry. I really hope (and think) we'll see more of these two.

Now back to the whole point behind the scene though, seeing Rebekah respond as she did in the manner she did, well, Matt was that catalyst. So yay! Of course, the same held true for Elena. It was hallucination!Damon that appeared to her when she having sexytiems with Stefan because she knows that it's Damon that she wants to be with (hello! cue to flashback of Elena's eyes literally trailing down Damon's naked chest and down, down, down, brought up only by his snark and button-snap). Then hallucination!Damon told her the truth she knows but hasn't accepted that she's not a Stefan-bunny-hunting-reserved vampire type. She's a lot more like Damon than she is Stefan (which was the case as well while human, but we'll take one path at a time). And, awesomely, we saw follow-through of that when she easily, without hesitation or fight, agreed when Damon said that he would teach her how to be a better vampire. So double yay! for werewolf-driven hallucinations!

That whole final scene with Matt, Elena and Damon worked so well for me on many levels. First of all, it was another instance of the show introducing something early in the episode (when feeding on Matt in the beginning she said that if she eats more, she won't be able to stop) and then naturally including it later. Secondly, how the scene ended helped assuage my renewed fear that Matt will be Elena's vamp-sex partner what with Matt mentioning his and Elena's make-out spot. But how the scene ended made me think I'm overthinking what has happened with Matt and Elena as I did the Bonnie/Matt scenes in early season 03. I hope so at least. And, of course, I loved the reverse of the first episode: In that one, Damon was the one threatening Matt's life -- although I'm still convinced he didn't intend to actually kill him -- and Elena intervened. Here, it's Elena doing the near-Matt-deathening, and Damon intervening.

Then we get to the meat of it all. Like last week, we've got Damon dealing with the reality of what Elena is going through, while Stefan's answer was last week to drink wine and ignore it, or light pretty Lanterns, this week it's to go to a party, or go on a motorcycle ride. Yes, good things, fun things, enjoy-life things, but they are surface and right now, Elena's problems need a lot more than surface solutions. And even those surface pleasures are offered under the guise of not dealing with reality. That motorcycle scene, oy vey! I'm sorry, but I can NOT get over the helmets. WHY WERE THEY WEARING HELMETS?!?!?! THEY ARE VAMPIRES! They don't need safety helmets! Why were they wearing them? Because they are pretending to be human. And, of course, Elena -- not Stefan -- actually did break from that human pretense by standing up, but still.

Actually this scene and the ridiculous keg-headstand reminded me of one of the main things that made me loathe Stefan and Elena in season 02. In my episode write-up of "Kill or Be Killed" (episode 05), I went on a mini-tear about them.
    I just am so bored and eyes-rolled by Stefan and Elena at this point. The rest of the show is smart and funny and works so well, and those two are basically the Twilight faction of the show. They are such teenagers together. With Elena, Stefan completely loses his cool. With Stefan, Elena pretty much loses the functioning of her brain cells. Ugh.
Same thing here. *They are such teenagers together.* And it brings the show down. I mean, really, once more for the road: Helmets? Vampires wearing safety helmets. Just, no. Reality needs to be dealt with and Stefan is incapable of doing so. Damon is not. Damon gets it, and Damon deals with it.

He stepped up to the plate, and he's putting aside his pride to help the girl he loves. Which brings us to Stefan who says he loves the girl, but he *can't* help her. He can't be happy with her, and he certainly can't do the blood angle with her. Nope, it's Damon. As much as last week made it clear how much better Damon is for Elena, this episode amplifed that by a thousand. Let's go back to that hallucination while making out with Stefan and how Damon popped up. That on its own would have been a lovely treat for Damon/Elena fans, but it had more resonance *because* of the earlier scene between Damon and Elena. In our first (Yay!) sighting of nearly-naked-Damon! (I can't believe we had to wait three episodes!), there's Elena. And it wasn't even subtle how obvious they made it that she was affected by his clothing removal.

 

There was how she tried to pretend the attention she was paying to his chest was about the blood/his injury and not Damon taking off his shirt. We saw her literally force her body to relax, breathe, put on an expression of nonchalance about the nudity. And once he removed his shirt, and started work on his pants, we actually saw her eyes trail down his naked chest and lower until Damon snarkily asked if she wanted to stick around for the show. Then the girl visibly jumped damn near out of her skin when he unsnapped the button. So we had that very, very obvious scene showing us that Elena is hot for Damon. Then while making out with Stefan... she starts thinking about Damon. Uh huh.

So not only were we told that Elena wants Damon (in place of Stefan), but that Damon is the one who can help her through this new phase of her life, Damon is who is capable of helping her; Damon is who Elena feels comfortable helping her. Elena realizes that Damon is who should be helping her. And this was paired with Stefan being all honest and open and real with... Caroline! (How could I not be happy right now?)

As for Stefan and Elena, well, he did help her a bit, but it's the one area in which Stefan excels: Preaching about how one denies the reality of harsh feelings and instead ignores them, pushes them down, pretends they are not there. Did it work now for Elena in not going after Rebekah? Yeah. Will it work long-term? No way in hell. So we've got Stefan able to provide temporary, surface help to Elena, but relationship-wise, he's turning to and talking to Caroline. Elena is turning to and talking to Matt and Damon even moreso. Elena is having Stefan make-out-interruptions with Damon!Hallucinations. Elena is having really-yourself-truth-telling!Damon!hallucinations. Elena is falling apart... and she's with Damon. Stefan? Is with Caroline. And they were adorable and sweet and sparkly and REAL. And Damon and Elena were honest and charged and tense and REAL. Both of them being there 100% for the person who needs them most. :sniffsniff: Seriously, look at the last moment of both scenes side by side:

 

Yeah, OK, I'm with ya both all the way......................

OK, random thoughts --

- So another make-out session, this one broken up by a Damon!hallucination, and a new form of sickness. I think the universe is telling Stefan and Elena something. I think they should listen. Uh huh.

- It wasn't much, but I did like that we at least got a Stefan/Rebekah-couple-dom mention.

- As much as I love Elena, I was actually team!Rebekah in that classroom scene. I know Rebekah tried to kill her and all, but man, Elena was a bitch to her. The pencil show-down was funny, though. Hee.

- That final shot of vamp!Elena in the bathroom? Man, with all of that undeathly pale pallor Elena's got going on, she is seriously THE least attractive vampire on this show ever. Girl get yoself a better diet!

- I gotta admit, the handstand/drinking thing kinda annoyed me. It just came across as mean-girl show-off, and I don't know, cliched and stupid. It felt like something I'd see on a lesser teen-related show or movie. (But, hey, Brian Young co-wrote this episode-- my least favorite regular TVD writer. What can you do? Most of the episode was made of win, so I'm letting the small moments of fail slide.)

- Hee! Damon walks into his room made a mess and, of course, makes sure that Elena knows it needs to be cleaned up. (Which she so did not do, driven from the room by her lust for Damon, LOL!)

- And so... it's now tit for tat. Elena has rummaged through Damon's underwear drawer and held up a pair for inspection just as he did with her stuff in "The End of the Affair." Hee!

 

- Speaking of that scene, I think we needed more than that petulant "I'm gonna find that stake!" from Elena to fully explain Elena having that stake and her "Damon reluctantly gave it to me" line. Maybe a roll of Damon's eyes and a close-up of him looking after her or something with that 'I'm so whipped' look Ian Somerhalder does so well when Damon looks at Elena. Just something more. Ah well.

- Hah! I love how Rebekah is always soiling the purity of the Stefan/Elena jewelry line, LOL! First, we find out that damn necklace belonged to her first, and now she casually snags Elena's ring off and throws it in the garbage disposal. And turns it on. Saved or not by Elena, that thing's got scratches and marks on it now. And once again shows how the "symbols" of Stefan and Elena' twu wuv are so easily taken away. :)

- So Elena has drank Damon, Matt and Klaus' blood now. Stefan's gonna start to feel left out.

- That voiceover opener: "Mystic Falls is my home." "And mine." "And mine." IS SO LAME. The rest of it is fine but that part is so very lame.

- Also lame, how long Michael Trevino kept his eyes so wide open in surprise in the opener. I mean, when the shot returned to him, he was still laying there with eyes wide open. See?


I'm sorry, ya'll, I'm just not impressed with Trevino; he is so the show's weakest series regular. He did something in a later scene that had me near-groaning too, but I've blocked it from memory. Can Tyler PLEASE, PRETTY, PRETTY PLEASE die!? For reals!?

- Speaking of Tyler, ugh, pig. Caroline BE WITH STEFAN!!!! Seriously, was that the first nail in the Tyler/Caroline coffin? I think it might have been. I mean dude was banging another girl while still with Caroline, even if they were separated. Ugh. Still, I have to say that as much as I dislike the pairing of Tyler and Caroline, and as much as I do think that Candice Accola and Joseph Morgan have way better chemistry than do Trevino and Accola (which isn't saying much as I think Trevino and Accola have almost zero sexual chemistry, seriously, they rival Paul Wesley and Nina Dobrev's lack, and I didn't think that was possible), I still find it rather manipulative that the show is painting Klaus as the good, romantic soul who is looking out for Caroline's heart while Tyler is the lying, cheating douchebag. I don't like Tyler. I do like Klaus more. But come on! Klaus is not a good guy. Tyler is, albeit with douchy moments. I dunno. That rubbed me a bit wrong.

- Still call me crazy, but if that *was* the first nail in the Tyler/Caroline coffin, and we all know that Klaus/Caroline can NOT be endgame unless they make Caroline turn and keep off her humanity switch... was this first hammered nail coinciding with that AWESOME-SAUCE Stefan/Caroline scene a coincidence? Or could my cherished-dream of Stefan/Caroline endgame-ness actually have a fighting chance and this was the first legit sign?! I mean, scroll up again -- dude, they had the Stefan/Caroline and Damon/Elena scenes end EXACTLY the same in terms of togetherness and solidarity! RIGHT?!?!?

- OK, so was I the only one who was gave Klaus additional dialogue in his scene with Stefan? Stefan's all, you need to come and help me and Klaus is all I don't want anything from you, and I mentally completed the sentence for him: "You broke my heart."

- Speaking of Klaus and why Stefan broke his heart, dude, Tyler, no, what your team did to Klaus was WAY worse than what he did to you, I must concur with Klaus.

- Also, Phoebe Tonkin (Hayley) still doesn't impress me at all. However, I will say that there was a spark there in that brief scene with Joseph Morgan. Yes, there was.

- Yeah, so obviously my Jeremy/Connor theory was TOTALLY off. Ah well. But, I am intrigued by The Five and what the deal is with Connor. However, yeah, I do have to agree with eolivet, Todd Williams is just not doing it for me as Connor. He's not very charismatic, and doesn't come across as menacing and/or powerful enough for me.

- I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED Meredith telling Damon HE is the good brother. Awwwwwwwwwwwww! Having her give Damon credit for doing the dirty work while Stefan plays vampire games was fantastic. And that, plus Jeremy working with him, gives me hope that my belief was right that we were seeing a change in how the others treat Damon towards the end of last season would carry over to this season. And, yup, that is what is happening. Yet, of course, Damon doesn't quite get that, basing his 'wanted-ness' on Stefan and Elena. (See, him saying he's gonna follow through on the deal and leave town. Hah! I'm with Meredith, no way was he gonna take off.) But he's getting there. He is getting there. And I do think Meredith helped by saying that to him in that first scene, but also in what she said in the second. I thought she was going to be mean to him at the end when she said she wasn't his new vampire partner-in-crime, but then she turned it around to being about Damon and how he needed to do what was best for him, I was all aww!

I also have to specifically point out the word/phrase choice in that first scene they shared when Meredith explained why she called Damon the good brother: "Stefan is playing vampire with the girl who broke your heart." She put it in terms of Stefan just playing a part, pretending, and Elena not as Stefan's girl, your brother's girl, but rather in relation to Damon. Which I thought made a lot of sense because she came into their lives seeing Elena more on the Damon-side of things, so from her perspective Elena is VERY much a part of the Damon/Elena equation, it's not one-sided at all. I thought that was an interesting way to word that angle that was positive (despite the whole 'broke your heart' bit) for Damon and Elena.

- What I found interesting about that bit was how even though both Damon and Stefan talked about and made it clear they know they are having problems, Stefan (despite his douchy punching last week) wants to hug it out, bro, obviously. On the other hand, when Damon gets the nudge from Meredith, he essentially ignored the Stefan aspect of the "make up with Stefan and Elena" and instead headed to Elena. (Which, yeah, was good for Matt, but still...)

- Ooh! Gross! The needle in the gums. Yucky! Give me vomiting blood any week over that nasty stuff!

- Damon, Damon, Damon! (A bomb is an adorable, exploding kitten. Only Damon.) Every line, every moment, everything, once again... PERFECTION! And once again, Ian Somerhalder proves himself the absolute, unparalleled king of delivery. LOVE HIM SO HARD.

LOVE WHAT THE SHOW IS DOING SO HARD! They are going beyond my WILDEST dreams in how they are showcasing Stefan and Elena, and Damon and Elena. Basically everything is Damon and Elena and it feels GOOD! SQUEEE!

See? For me? Totally not long.
 
 
 
Laurel: Sarah and Jarethcorusca on October 26th, 2012 04:33 am (UTC)
I know it was a fairly minor moment, but I came away from this episode remembering most of all the 30 some seconds where I really did believe that Matt was dead and could think in nothing but expletives.

Shook me to the bone, man.
logicisfailing: the middlemanlogicisfailing on October 26th, 2012 04:45 am (UTC)
Lol, I know. I was only half paying attention during that scene and looked back to see Rebekah holding a heart and was like WTH just happened? Is Matt dead?!
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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: DE cuddlingbadboy_fangirl on October 26th, 2012 06:04 am (UTC)
OK, so was I the only one who was gave Klaus additional dialogue in his scene with Stefan? Stefan's all, you need to come and help me and Klaus is all I don't want anything from you, and I mentally completed the sentence for him: "You broke my heart."

I just had to LOL about this. LITERALLY, STEFAN BROKE HIS HEART. Like hand to chest, broke his heart. THE BEST.

Damon + Elena = 4VR!
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on October 26th, 2012 06:06 am (UTC)
He really, really did, and Klaus is all woobie-sad about it now.

Oh, Damon and Elena... seriously this season is just highlighting their utter perfection. I am agog!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Not Leaving (D/E)butterfly on October 26th, 2012 07:00 am (UTC)
Great episode!
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on October 26th, 2012 07:14 am (UTC)
I feel like each episode has been better than the one before it this season.
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x5vale: bloodsharingx5vale on October 26th, 2012 09:36 am (UTC)
I don't know which onscreen pairing gave me the most feels. OK, I do, it was Damon/Elena, but still... SO MUCH TO CHOOSE FROM THAT WAS GLORIOUS!!! (We'll save the winner for last!)

This was my reaction while watching. This episode was just so awesome relationship wise. Basically every scene with Damon and someone else gave me all the feels, but gotta say it was especially the ones with Meredith and what was going on bts with Jeremy.
I also really enjoyed to see Damon taking care of Matt.

I have so much love for this episode. i should write down my review instead of spamming yours :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena19arabian on October 26th, 2012 09:46 am (UTC)
Damon has just been spot-on FANTASTIC so far this season. I mean, he always is, but we're talking beyond stellar. He's out-awesomeing himself.

I really did quite enjoy it. Good season so far for sure! :)
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Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on October 26th, 2012 09:40 am (UTC)
They keep teasing me with near-death Matt, it's not fair! ::stamps foot::

Nothing else to add this time.
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on October 26th, 2012 09:47 am (UTC)
Erm, I can't be sorry. Sorry, but you know I love Matt now. You can wish for Matt's death and I can wish for Tyler's and we can both sit in the corner and be disappointed, LOL!
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Cassandra Elise: damon dancingcassandra_elise on October 26th, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much for that gif of Half-naked Damon/Ian. I've been staring at it for minutes now. :P I'm gonna rehash some of the things I said in another friend's post, because I'm lazy.

Damon continues to be amazing. I loved all he did for the team, including getting stuck in a booby-trap with "an exploding kitten" LOL. I was really pleasantly surprised by Meredith's support of Damon. Calling him the "good brother," convincing him to stay for Stefan and Elena. She's a really good mentor/friend for Damon, just like Ric was. *sniffs*

I'm glad besides Damon's angsty feelings, we got some legitimate Delena scenes. His undressing in front of her was priceless! And the fact that he knew what she really wanted from his room...also liked the fact that she said Damon's bourbon is better than Stefan's. I know she was lying to get to the stake but I totally saw it as a metaphor for something else, like Damon's methods of teaching her to be a vampire are better than Stefan's. (I'm probably reading waaaay too much into that throwaway line). And, of course, her seeing Damon when she's making out with Stefan was so obvious it doesn't need explaining. And then when they realize the hallucinations are because she's been poisoned, you realize, "Aww, she's thinking of Damon as she's dying!" *sniffs*

I thought the destruction of the ring in the garbage disposal was pretty symbolic, considering who gave it to her to begin with...I also thought the song choice during Stefan and Elena's attempt at sexy-times was symbolic. It's a breakup song! Here's a sample of the words:

You know I'm not one to break promises,
I don't want to hurt you but I need to breathe.
At the end of it all, you're still my best friend,
But there's something inside that I need to release.
Which way is right, which way is wrong,
How do I say that I need to move on?
You know we're heading separate ways.

And it feels like I am just too close to love you,
There's nothing I can really say.
I can't lie no more, I can't hide no more,
Got to be true to myself.
And it feels like I am just too close to love you,
So I'll be on my way.

Reflection of Elena's feelings much?

I don't like Klaus/Caroline or Tyler/Caroline, so this whole new triangle thing is rather boring for me. HOWEVER, Caroline actually interacted with Stefan. TWICE. I'm glad to see their friendship revived, and it's very telling that once again Stefan is far more honest with a person who isn't his girlfriend. Oy Vey! When will Stefan understand this?!?
Cassandra Elise: damon/elena dancingcassandra_elise on October 26th, 2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
I forgot to add my speculation based on the promo. (I know you don't want spoilers, which is fine, because nothing has come out about the next episode except what's been featured in the official CW synopsis). So we see Elena munching on various frat boys, getting her fill, and then the last shot is of her embracing Damon, whispering sultrily that she "wants more." I'm going out on a limb and say she doesn't want more human blood but vampire blood. From none other than Damon. I predict Elena and Damon are gonna find a quiet corner and exchange vampire blood together in kinky fashion. Which will not sit well with Stefan (and justifiably so) when he inevitably finds out.
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Frust-sheep: Vampire Diaries: Steroline&Delenafrust_sheep on October 26th, 2012 03:28 pm (UTC)
SQUEE! :D
Arabian: TVD-Cast04arabian on October 27th, 2012 06:05 am (UTC)
I KNOW, RIGHT!?!?!?
elmerodeador: pic#119157580elmerodeador on October 26th, 2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
OK, so was I the only one who was gave Klaus additional dialogue in his scene with Stefan? Stefan's all, you need to come and help me and Klaus is all I don't want anything from you, and I mentally completed the sentence for him: "You broke my heart."

Totally agree. When I've read your review I've laughed a lot!! It has been one of the best shots of the episode!! Thanks for that executive producers and writers of TVD!!

In our first (Yay!) sighting of nearly-naked-Damon! (I can't believe we had to wait three episodes!)

Yep, we've had to wait a lot for this glorious moment!

As much as I love Elena, I was actually team!Rebekah in that classroom scene. I know Rebekah tried to kill her and all, but man, Elena was a bitch to her. The pencil show-down was funny, though. Hee.

I don't have any doubt that this has been one of the best scenes. Really!! I'have enjoyed each moment of this bitch-vamp's battle. The pencil show-down was funny but the bathroom's moment has been 'oh god, Rebekah is a badass but I love her' moment! I love when Elena is pissed off!! Nina Dobrev is making an impressive job with this role. She is not just like Katherine but she is not like Elena Gilbert. She has played a new character and she is doing very well.

Caroline-Stefan's moments were amazing!! I'm not sure if they will be together in an romantic relationship, but it doesn't mind. They have a good chemistry onscreen and I hope I watch more scenes of them together. Stefan deserves to be happy and when his epic love with Elena finish he'll need a good friend.

Klaus-Damon's couple could work! I know that they have a lot of differences and a ominous past but I loved the storage room scene's, when Damon said: "Maybe you can cue me in on this greater evil, because I've fought this guy,and there's nothing more evil than that" and the wonderful Joseph Morgan add : "Yeah, truth be told, I'm as evil as it gets." Their faces, their gesture, wow they are incredible together. I hope to watch them again!

I'd like to comment more things about the episode but not today. I have a lot of work to do!

***For arabian, I'm a follower of your story in fanfiction, my nickname there is 'elmerodeador'. Your readers we've been waiting for a new update since the season started. Your so cruel, we missed this wonderful story :'( Do you think that you would continue soon or you will wait until the Christmas' break?

elmerodeador

Edited at 2012-10-26 04:42 pm (UTC)
Arabian: TVD-Cast01arabian on October 27th, 2012 06:10 am (UTC)
Hey there! Welcome to posting on my LJ!

Yep, we've had to wait a lot for this glorious moment!

I know, right?! Even the first season only made us wait until the 1st scene of the 2nd episode. Sheesh.

Nina Dobrev is making an impressive job with this role. She is not just like Katherine but she is not like Elena Gilbert. She has played a new character and she is doing very well.

Agreed; I think the writers and Nina are doing a great job creating Vamp!Elena.

I loved the storage room scene's, when Damon said: "Maybe you can cue me in on this greater evil, because I've fought this guy,and there's nothing more evil than that" and the wonderful Joseph Morgan add : "Yeah, truth be told, I'm as evil as it gets." Their faces, their gesture, wow they are incredible together. I hope to watch them again!

I thought they were really good together too. I'm actually surprised I didn't comment on this in my post. I think my feels about D/E, S/C, D/J, R/M kinda took hold, LOL!

***For arabian, I'm a follower of your story in fanfiction, my nickname there is 'elmerodeador'. Your readers we've been waiting for a new update since the season started. Your so cruel, we missed this wonderful story :'( Do you think that you would continue soon or you will wait until the Christmas' break?

No, I'm still writing it. Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for some feedback from one of my betas for the next chapter. I'm plugging away and I didn't intend to stop (but I'll probably try and do posting every two weeks when there are new episodes simply because there was very little feedback to the chapter I posted the week premiered, but I'm not sure). I was actually going to post it this week, but when I went to go over it and make changes and stuff from betas, I realized I hadn't gotten the feedback yet. I want the chapters to be as good as they can and the betas do help a lot.

I am sorry for the delay, but I swear it's coming. Hopefully next week I'll have it beta'd so I can post it. But I'm still writing and am not waiting for hiatuses to post, I swear.
(Anonymous) on October 26th, 2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
I was prepared to hate this episode, but oh boy was I proven wrong. I loved this one more than the last! The writers on this show, honestly.. They keep duping me. So many feels. *flailing about in fangirl frenzy* :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena07arabian on October 27th, 2012 06:12 am (UTC)
I wasn't prepared to hate it, but I did go into it with no expectations. (I pretty much have no expectations for the season except for how I hope for it to end, and if that doesn't happen, well, then the show will no longer be on my fangirl radar, just Ian, Damon, D/E, and the couples/characters I like.) However, I was fully expecting that there would be no Damon/Elena scenes in this episode, and boy!, even if I had expected D/E scenes, I still couldn't have possibly imagined getting what we did! WOWSERS!!!!
eolivet on October 27th, 2012 03:49 pm (UTC)
(Random, but how much do you wish you'd kept "How to be a better vampire" as your title? Still prescient... ;)

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop with D/E, but since I don't see...how at this point, I will concede this ep made things seem pretty darn awesome for them. :) I admit, I don't quite see the Stefan/Caroline vibes (I saw that scene as more of a Stefan-propping scene -- because Elena was now going to rely on Damon for transition help -- the show had to prove Stefan wasn't COMPLETELY useless.) ;p

I was spoiled by quite a bit (I read before I had a chance to watch, oh well ;p ) but I MISSED that Jeremy was a set-up and working with Damon. AWESOME surprise!!! :D

Yeah, I just can't get Connor Jordan. Even Joseph Morgan, chemistry magnet second only to Ian Somerhalder, couldn't coax some life out of him, he's doomed (incidentally, I think that's why you saw vibes with Klaus and Hayley). I ADORED the "taunting Tyler" scene, but face it, he was seconds away from making out with Tyler, too. ;p

Though it annoys me that now boring Connor will be protected, instead of Damon and Klaus banding together.

I love Rebekah. I think Claire Holt is doing a magnificent job of showing a 1,000 year old vampire who really has no clue how to be a teenage girl. :( I also love that she's got a crush on the quarterback...awww!!! :D

Great ep -- and heh, I'll take a needle in the gums any day and twice on Sundays compared to bloody vomit. To each her own. ;)
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline04arabian on October 28th, 2012 03:28 am (UTC)
(Random, but how much do you wish you'd kept "How to be a better vampire" as your title? Still prescient... ;)

LOL! I know, right?!

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop with D/E, but since I don't see...how at this point, I will concede this ep made things seem pretty darn awesome for them. :)

Yup, and everything that happened in the last two episodes (that made me so positive) had to happen to bring us here.

I admit, I don't quite see the Stefan/Caroline vibes (I saw that scene as more of a Stefan-propping scene -- because Elena was now going to rely on Damon for transition help -- the show had to prove Stefan wasn't COMPLETELY useless.) ;p

But he DID help Caroline, and I liked that we saw the mention of the Ripper again, and it showed us part of how/why Stefan is so messed up. He separates Ripper!Stefan from Real!Stefan, still not acknowledging that the Ripper is a part of him, not something separate. As for the Caroline/Stefan vibes it was just the fact that Paul and Candice have SUCH amazingly sparkly chemistry. He tells her how awesome she is as a vampire, and he sounds so sincere and impressed and complimentary. He's got that smile, the sparkly eyes looking at her and she's all 'me!' a sentiment she doesn't get very often. And then the "come to me" just had me swooning. It's the chemistry, baby!

I was spoiled by quite a bit (I read before I had a chance to watch, oh well ;p ) but I MISSED that Jeremy was a set-up and working with Damon. AWESOME surprise!!! :D

Aww, that's good then.

Yeah, I just can't get Connor Jordan. Even Joseph Morgan, chemistry magnet second only to Ian Somerhalder, couldn't coax some life out of him, he's doomed (incidentally, I think that's why you saw vibes with Klaus and Hayley).

Agree about Connor, but not Joseph Morgan. I don't think he's remotely near Ian in chemistry-generation. Other than Paul and Candice (and, of course, Ian, but that's, you know, Ian), I don't think he has outstanding chemistry with anyone. He works well with others (Claire, Trevino, Daniel Gillies), but I don't think he's OMG!Chemistry!Everywhere!, so it did really stand out for me in that scene with Hayley.

I ADORED the "taunting Tyler" scene, but face it, he was seconds away from making out with Tyler, too. ;p

I actually didn't get that vibe at all, but again -- not a Trevino fan, nor do I think JM is that chemically-inclined. Don't get me wrong, I do like him lots now, but I just don't see that.

Though it annoys me that now boring Connor will be protected, instead of Damon and Klaus banding together.

Yeah. But, on the other hand, as good as Ian and Joseph are together, I don't want Damon banding together with Klaus. Everything he's taken from him, and the way he treats Elena, and what he did to Stefan? I don't want to see them even playing nice.

I love Rebekah. I think Claire Holt is doing a magnificent job of showing a 1,000 year old vampire who really has no clue how to be a teenage girl. :( I also love that she's got a crush on the quarterback...awww!!! :D

All of this.

Great ep -- and heh, I'll take a needle in the gums any day and twice on Sundays compared to bloody vomit. To each her own. ;)

Except for the Stefan/Elena parts -- keg-head-standing and motorcyle-riding. Ugh. They are so lame. And I find myself goign back to what I wrote in season 02 about them after "Kill or Be Killed."

just am so bored and eyes-rolled by Stefan and Elena at this point. The rest of the show is smart and funny and works so well, and those two are basically the Twilight faction of the show. They are such teenagers together. With Elena, Stefan completely loses his cool. With Stefan, Elena pretty much loses the functioning of her brain cells. Ugh.

Same thing here. *They are such teenagers together.* And it brings the show down. (So editing this into my post. Heh.)
Florencia: DE (Kiss) (3x19)florencia7 on October 27th, 2012 04:38 pm (UTC)
The final Stefan/Caroline scene was almost too good to be real! ^^ Caroline and Matt weren't really good for each other as a couple, Caroline/Tyler were doomed from the start (IMHO at least haha) and there is no way Caroline/Klaus are going to be endgame, sooo I think it's only logical that it's going to be Stefan/Caroline *nods* ;) Also, Stefan/Caroline/Klaus would be a SO much better love triangle. Tyler and Hayley could just leave Mystic Falls and go, oh I don't know, to Storybrooke or something lol

OMG How could they not show us the scene in which Jeremy told Damon he could be bad-ass?!?!! Why WHY didn't they show us that??? I'd love to see that! ^^ That little snippet we got was great, though. (Although it obviously didn't come even close to what you did in your fic ♥) I also loved how it was clear from Elena's reaction that she was just so pleasantly surprised, even a little touched that Damon was hanging out and plotting with Jeremy.

So Damon joined “I-saved-Matt's-life” club! Yay! Lol

Aw I kind of hoped Matt would out Stefan, not Rebekah, but I guess that would be too much to ask for ;)

The helmets!!! That's such an awesome point to make. I didn't catch that while watching. But you're so right. It just went to show that they were still playing their favorite game and pretending what is (no longer) true.

So far everyone, including Klaus, was of more help and use to Elena than Stefan. It's also funny how the epic motorcycle ride was possible ONLY because:
a) Damon was looking after Elena for the entire last season
b) Meredith gave Elena Damon's blood
c) Rebekah helped to incapacitate the guy from whom Elena fed in 4x01
d) Bonnie made a daylight ring for Elena
e) Tyler distracted the hunter
f) Caroline stopped Elena from attacking April
g) Matt let Elena feed on him
h) Klaus fed Elena his blood = saved her life

Stefan should really take a hint ;)

The handstand/drinking thing annoyed me too, especially that they have a shot of someone doing that EVERY TIME there is a party. Is it an obligatory activity of something? It also seemed OOC for Elena. Or maybe that was the point... although I'm failing to see what the point of it being the point would be? ^^

I have to say, Rebekah totally redeemed herself in my eyes when she threw the ring into the garbage disposal! Go girl! Lol

DE rummaging through each other's underwear drawers! Yes! Damon in 3x03 and Elena in 4x03. Nice coincidence ^^

"Mystic Falls is my home." "And mine." "And mine." is SO bad, but I'm trying to focus on the fact that Damon and Elena's lines are the same lol

"You broke my heart." - I'm with you. That's exactly what I expected to hear! ;D

Meredith was saying all the right things in this episode ♥
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on October 28th, 2012 03:45 am (UTC)
The final Stefan/Caroline scene was almost too good to be real!

I know, right?!?!? SQUEE!!

Also, Stefan/Caroline/Klaus would be a SO much better love triangle.

They really would. I suppose the whole hybrid thing keeps Klaus from wanting to kill Tyler, but on the other hand, he does have other hybrids. But Stefan? That would be a real conundrum for Klaus cuz he lurves Stefan!

Tyler and Hayley could just leave Mystic Falls and go, oh I don't know, to Storybrooke or something lol

Erm, no thank you. I watch Once Upon a Time, don't want to get rid of them just to see them pop up on another show I watch, LOL! Arrow or the new Beauty and the Beast will do!

OMG How could they not show us the scene in which Jeremy told Damon he could be bad-ass?!?!! Why WHY didn't they show us that??? I'd love to see that!

Well, to be fair, I can't imagine the scene actually would have played out like that. Probably more like Jeremy pointing out he could be useful. So I was pretty happy with the fall-out simply because we were let in clearly that Jeremy and Damon were working together, which bodes well for future (Michael Narducci-heheheh-written) episodes.

I also loved how it was clear from Elena's reaction that she was just so pleasantly surprised, even a little touched that Damon was hanging out and plotting with Jeremy.

Hmm, I didn't get that from her reaction. I thought she was worried and kinda annoyed, not wanting Damon to get Jeremy mixed up in the whole thing. I guess I'll just *have* to watch that half-naked Damon scene again.

So Damon joined “I-saved-Matt's-life” club! Yay! Lol

He's already a member. Remember "Dangerous Liaisons?" (I know, what D/E fan wants to?) But Kol was going to kill Matt, Damon picked that fight with him because he saw him not playing nice with Matt.

Aw I kind of hoped Matt would out Stefan, not Rebekah, but I guess that would be too much to ask for ;)

Yeah, so would have been nice, but out of character.

The helmets!!! That's such an awesome point to make. I didn't catch that while watching. But you're so right. It just went to show that they were still playing their favorite game and pretending what is (no longer) true.

Yup, yup, yup! And based on comments I'm seeing here and there, the keg-headstand moment and the motorcyle scene have pretty much gotten overwhelming thumbs down from everyone (who isn't an S/E fan, I'm sure).

It also seemed OOC for Elena. Or maybe that was the point... although I'm failing to see what the point of it being the point would be? ^^

I kinda want to edit that out of my brain.

Meredith was saying all the right things in this episode ♥

Yes, she was!
vanimy: Elenavanimy on October 27th, 2012 11:06 pm (UTC)
PART ONE

Wow. Except for Matt/Rebekah I felt like you read my mind before writing your review!!

-Overall I really liked this episode and I laughed a lot too. Damon and Klaus were both hilarious in this episode. Preferred last week's but this one was good.

-Stefan/Caroline gave me all the feels seriously. I was like bouncing with glee on that final scene. And hello Season 3 acknowledgment! I thought we had all hallucinated Ripper!Stefan so I was happy they mentioned it.

-BB Jeremy and Damon/Jeremy. They were so damn cute! The badass exchanged made me melt. I love them so damn much.

-Matt/Rebekah. I'm not with you on that, sorry dear. I liked how Matt literally ignored her at the beginning. I still like Rebekah, even if she acted like a total bitch lol but I felt more touched with the April scene than I did with her Matt scenes. *shrugs*

-I'm such a moron I didn't even connect the dots with the Damon hallucinations in 3x22. So thanks for reminding me. Your take on it makes perfect sense.

-The final scene didn't work at first because I thought Elena was still at the boarding house so I thought it was all a hallucination. Liked the little Damon/Matt interaction too.

-Re : the motocycle scene.

So EMBARRASSING seriously. And I'm with you on the helmet thing that's what I kept repeating out loud throughout this way too long scene.

Which brings me to Stefan/Elena sucking out the life and soul out of the show with their scenes; Gosh they bore me to tears everytime. Funny how someone like Thomas Galvin actually wrote that their scenes totally dampened his enjoyment of this episode.

So another make-out session, this one broken up by a Damon!hallucination, and a new form of sickness. I think the universe is telling Stefan and Elena something

LOL! True!

-Which also brings me to Stefan. Apart from his last scene with Caroline I just couldn't stand him. Like at all. He annoys me deeply.

-I did like his mention of Damon in the last scene and how he showed regret on how Damon was no longer there for him because of Elena.

-I liked Damon/Meredith a lot in this episode. I hope we get to see more of this friendship.

- I gotta admit, the handstand/drinking thing kinda annoyed me. It just came across as mean-girl show-off, and I don't know, cliched and stupid.

Haha you and Thomas Galvin share the same point of view on this! I just shrugged at it.

- Hee! Damon walks into his room made a mess and, of course, makes sure that Elena knows it needs to be cleaned up. (Which she so did not do, driven from the room by her lust for Damon, LOL!)

LMAO!! I noticed she didn't clean up too lol.

- Speaking of that scene, I think we needed more than that petulant "I'm gonna find that stake!" from Elena to fully explain Elena having that stake and her "Damon reluctantly gave it to me" line.

Yeah I found that weird too. I was like 'Was I so distracted by Damon's nakedness I didn't even notice him giving her that stake?' lol

- That voiceover opener: "Mystic Falls is my home." "And mine." "And mine." IS SO LAME. The rest of it is fine but that part is so very lame.

AGREED. I miss the 'Previously on The Vampire diaries' opener. The new one was okay for the premiere but they need to change it back ASAP.

- Also lame, how long Michael Trevino kept his eyes so wide open in surprise in the opener. I mean, when the shot returned to him, he was still laying there with eyes wide open.

Mwahaha! I thought I was the only one finding this weird; I legitimely LOLed at that moment.

And Im with you on the 'Tyler needs to die' thing, that's what I kept thinking the whole episode.
Arabian: Elena07arabian on October 28th, 2012 03:59 am (UTC)
Part 1 to your Part 1 --

Wow. Except for Matt/Rebekah I felt like you read my mind before writing your review!!

Well, based on your comments, I don't know that we differ on Matt/Rebekah -- other than I adore them, and you don't, I'm guessing.

-Overall I really liked this episode and I laughed a lot too. Damon and Klaus were both hilarious in this episode. Preferred last week's but this one was good.

I preferred this one in terms of Damon/Elena-ness (and I just rewatched the 2nd one with my sister and it didn't play as well, lots of little things, but then while I loved scenes in last week's, I don't think it was a GREAT! episode), and actually, minus the RIDICULOUS keg-handstand and motorcyle scene*, I liked everything else about this one way better overall.

* I actually added a section to my post about that and Stefan/Elena in general.

Actually [the motorcyle] scene and the ridiculous keg-headstand reminded me of one of the main things that made me loathe Stefan and Elena in season 02. In my episode write-up of "Kill or Be Killed" (episode 05), I went on a mini-tear about them.
    I just am so bored and eyes-rolled by Stefan and Elena at this point. The rest of the show is smart and funny and works so well, and those two are basically the Twilight faction of the show. They are such teenagers together. With Elena, Stefan completely loses his cool. With Stefan, Elena pretty much loses the functioning of her brain cells. Ugh.
Same thing here. *They are such teenagers together.* And it brings the show down.

And interestingly, based on comments I'm seeing here and there, the keg-headstand moment and the motorcyle scene have pretty much gotten overwhelming thumbs down from everyone (who isn't an S/E fan, I'm sure).

Stefan/Caroline gave me all the feels seriously. I was like bouncing with glee on that final scene. And hello Season 3 acknowledgment! I thought we had all hallucinated Ripper!Stefan so I was happy they mentioned it.

As they should have because THEY ARE AWESOME! As for acknowledgement/mentions, I maintain that anything that's been heavily brought up but not dealt with, will be. Stefan/Katherine, Stefan/Rebekah (remember, we got a mention of that in this episode too). It's all a journey, and they've got three seasons left, including this one.

BB Jeremy and Damon/Jeremy. They were so damn cute! The badass exchanged made me melt. I love them so damn much.

I honestly think they are the ONLY pairing on the show who in EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY SCENE they have shared has been pure magic. Yes, yes, they haven't shared that many, but every single one has been perfection.

Matt/Rebekah. I'm not with you on that, sorry dear. I liked how Matt literally ignored her at the beginning. I still like Rebekah, even if she acted like a total bitch lol but I felt more touched with the April scene than I did with her Matt scenes. *shrugs*

I think we actually do agree. I liked the Rebekah/April scene better too. And Matt was right to be terrible to her becaus she deserved it. My squee and joy is that (a) they are sharing scenes which bodes well for future softening between them, and (b) that Matt was used in Rebekah's hallucination the way that Elena was in Damon's in 3.22, and Damon was in Elena's in this episode.

I'm such a moron I didn't even connect the dots with the Damon hallucinations in 3x22. So thanks for reminding me. Your take on it makes perfect sense.

Don't feel bad, I didn't realize it until I was writing the post up. :)

The final scene didn't work at first because I thought Elena was still at the boarding house so I thought it was all a hallucination. Liked the little Damon/Matt interaction too.

BUt once you went back and realized it, it was awesome, yes?!?!?

Re : the motocycle scene. -- So EMBARRASSING seriously. And I'm with you on the helmet thing that's what I kept repeating out loud throughout this way too long scene.

See, what I said above about it.

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vanimy: D/E kissvanimy on October 27th, 2012 11:06 pm (UTC)
PART TWO

-The Klaus/Stefan scene was great. Oh and you know what? I totally enjoyed Klaus this episode. He made me laugh and I liked his scenes with Damon. I like Klaus better when he's actually the littlest bit threatening. Which he was in this episode.

-I actually like Connor around for now. I find him threatening because he's cold and he doesn't waste time, he just goes for the kill. And I'm intrigued with the plot for now, I literally have no idea where they're going with this which is refreshing.

- What I found interesting about that bit was how even though both Damon and Stefan talked about and made it clear they know they are having problems, Stefan (despite his douchy punching last week) wants to hug it out, bro, obviously.

Yeah, again, that was sweet.

On the other hand, when Damon gets the nudge from Meredith, he essentially ignored the Stefan aspect of the "make up with Stefan and Elena" and instead headed to Elena. (Which, yeah, was good for Matt, but still...)

Nice way to look at it.

In our first (Yay!) sighting of nearly-naked-Damon! (I can't believe we had to wait three episodes!), there's Elena. And it wasn't even subtle how obvious they made it that she was affected by his clothing removal.

I LOLed at the whole exchange. The snark, Damon being his usual hilarious self, Elena being turned on. All of it was spot on.

And ditto on the whole 'Can't believe we had to wait three episodes to see Damon half naked' :P

And once he removed his shirt, and started work on his pants, we actually saw her eyes trail down his naked chest and lower until Damon snarkily asked if she wanted to stick around for the show. Then the girl visibly jumped damn near out of her skin when he unsnapped the button.

Mwahaha I didn't even get this on first viewing because I was totally staring as well. Ahem.

-You wrote in your comment on the 4x02 that you were glad I felt more positive, well I am too. As long as the writers keep writing an interesting plot, Damon, Elena and Damon/Elena as well as they're doing now, I'm in. ;)
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on October 28th, 2012 04:05 am (UTC)
The Klaus/Stefan scene was great. Oh and you know what? I totally enjoyed Klaus this episode. He made me laugh and I liked his scenes with Damon. I like Klaus better when he's actually the littlest bit threatening. Which he was in this episode.

Yes. We need to see more of that.

I actually like Connor around for now. I find him threatening because he's cold and he doesn't waste time, he just goes for the kill. And I'm intrigued with the plot for now, I literally have no idea where they're going with this which is refreshing.

I agree with all of this except for the first part, LOL! I find him threatening, cold, etc., but I just don't find the actor charismatic and so I have no interest in watching him. It's like the Tyler story SHOULD be interesting to watch, but my God, it bores me silly because I don't find Trevino fun to to watch. Hopefully, the story/other players overcomes his anti-charisma.

And ditto on the whole 'Can't believe we had to wait three episodes to see Damon half naked' :P

Seriously! Seasons 02 and 03 gave us half-naked (OK, season 03 gave us ALL-naked!) Damon in the first episode. Heck, even the first season which only featured Damon for like five seconds in the Pilot, gave us naked Damon in the first scene of the second episode. I am disappoint, show. I am disappoint. :( If they think that shirtless!Stefan/shirtless!Tyler in episode 02 is going to make up for non-shirtless!Damon? They are wrong!)

Mwahaha I didn't even get this on first viewing because I was totally staring as well. Ahem.

I do not blame you. :)

You wrote in your comment on the 4x02 that you were glad I felt more positive, well I am too. As long as the writers keep writing an interesting plot, Damon, Elena and Damon/Elena as well as they're doing now, I'm in. ;)

And really, what happened in season 03 (with Damon/Elena, I still think they missed some key character beats with regards to -- shocker! -- Stefan/Elena) had to happen to get us where we are now which is way better in the long-run for D/Ers in regards to Damon/Elena and Stefan/Elena. Uh huh.
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archangel_blood: archangel_michaelarchangel_blood on October 29th, 2012 10:46 am (UTC)
This was a weird episode for me, like a clash of complete and total extremes. Parts of it had me fangirling and flailing, other parts had me rolling my eyes so hard, I was surprised they didn’t fall out.

D/E were the reason for the abovementioned fangirling and flailing. Shocker, I know :D They were simply perfect and I just can’t ask for more. Well, I can, and I am, but let’s see where 4x04 takes us first.

Eye rolling? FUCKING MOTORCYCLE RIDE. Dude, what in the everloving hell was that? Mixing Hot Shots! with Titanic, seriously? How did this insanity look like an even remotely good idea to anyone working for TVD is beyond me.

Stefan/Caroline fall somewhere in the middle. I know, what am I even saying right now!

I loved finally having them on my screen together. Their second scene was gorgeous. The first one though… I got echoes of S/E-like putting-on-a-pedestal adoration from Caroline, and while I do get it, I did not appreciate it. Maybe it was just me, but her girly fascination with Stefan and her everlasting conviction that he can do no wrong remind me a bit too much of Elena’s early days with him and it rubs me the wrong way. I do not want a repeat of S/E with these two; what made them so attractive to me once was the fact that their relationship was so different from S/E in the first place. Again, I get Caroline’s attitude, but it was a bit too much for me in that first scene.

Second scene made up for it though, and I do still love these two like crazy.

It was hallucination!Damon that appeared to her when she having sexytiems with Stefan because she knows that it's Damon that she wants to be with (…) Then hallucination!Damon told her the truth she knows but hasn't accepted that she's not a Stefan-bunny-hunting-reserved vampire type.

Damon speaks the truth even in hallucinations. lol

I also thought that there was an early S1 parallel in this, which I loved. It was Damon who invaded Elena’s dreams back then, putting images of the two of them going at it in her head just to mess with it. Months later, it’s Elena’s own subconsciousness that conjures up these images, because she’s too afraid to actually think about it while awake and lucid. Lovely, is what it was.

As a whole, yes, it did feel like this episode highlighted S/E’s problems even more. It gives me hope.

*They are such teenagers together.* And it brings the show down.

You know, I was watching 4x03 and hubby was in and out of the room. Then the motorcycle scene came up, he stopped, stared at the screen for a few seconds with a decidedly disgusted look on his face, and went: “Yeah this, right there, is the reason I can’t get into this show. I’d sit down and watch, I’d kinda enjoy it; then these two show up, and it suddenly goes from an entertaining supernatural show to freaking vampire Disney, and there’s no going back. I can’t take this show seriously.”

I still find it rather manipulative that the show is painting Klaus as the good, romantic soul who is looking out for Caroline's heart while Tyler is the lying, cheating douchebag.

Ah, I kinda disagree about Klaus being painted as a good, romantic soul. The way I saw it, he took extreme pleasure in learning a secret which could potentially ruin T/C, and he didn’t try to hide it either. It didn’t read as much as concern for Caroline’s well-being to me; more like Klaus rubbing the heartbreak this could cause her in Tyler’s face, letting him appreciate the magnitude of the weapon that just fell in his hands. The fact that he’s more than ready to use this secret to his benefit, despite knowing the pain it would cause Caroline, just confirms that he is, in fact, the king of douchebags.

- I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED Meredith telling Damon HE is the good brother.

Finally they are starting to see Damon for all his effort, sacrifice, and efficiency. Always the go-to guy whenever they need to get shit done; always making the hard decisions and never shying away from the responsibility and consequences. It was about time everyone recognized this and it makes me happy that they are starting to now.

Basically everything is Damon and Elena and it feels GOOD! SQUEEE!
Agreed. Alright, I suppose I could squee a little bit with you. Lol Just once though.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 30th, 2012 07:54 am (UTC)
This was a weird episode for me [...] Parts of it had me fangirling and flailing, other parts had me rolling my eyes so hard, I was surprised they didn’t fall out.

If it helps, I'm at the point where I can't help but wonder quite a bit if the eye-rolling S/E is deliberate cuz from what I'm hearing, other than S/E fans, everyone thought it was eye-rollingly bad.

I loved finally having them on my screen together. Their second scene was gorgeous. The first one though… I got echoes of S/E-like putting-on-a-pedestal adoration from Caroline, and while I do get it, I did not appreciate it [...] her girly fascination with Stefan and her everlasting conviction that he can do no wrong remind me a bit too much of Elena’s early days [...] I do not want a repeat of S/E with these two; what made them so attractive to me once was the fact that their relationship was so different from S/E in the first place.

I think it doesn't bother me because how Stefan is with Caroline kinda deserves that attitude. I still think that Stefan treats Caroline better than any other guy. I mean when he told her that she was such an awesome vampire, the joy on her face was wonderful. She doesn't seem to get full, undorned you are awesome without strings attached or addendums (or not from a complete psychotic, aka Klaus) from any other guy. And it works with me when he's that way with Caroline and Caroline reacts accordingly because he IS the great, genuine, sweet, awesome guy who thinks she's awesome... without any of the layers, the lies, the omissions, the pretense that happened in those early days with Elena. Stefan didn't deserve that attitude from Elena because of those lies, the omission, the pretense, the projected image, but with Caroline, he really is just that great, and honest, and real with her. That's why I'm fine with it.

Second scene made up for it though, and I do still love these two like crazy.

I hearted that scene SO hard. I was literally hand-waving away.

I also thought that there was an early S1 parallel in this, which I loved. It was Damon who invaded Elena’s dreams back then, putting images of the two of them going at it in her head just to mess with it. Months later, it’s Elena’s own subconsciousness that conjures up these images, because she’s too afraid to actually think about it while awake and lucid. Lovely, is what it was.

Agreed. :)

the motorcycle scene came up, he stopped, stared at the screen for a few seconds with a decidedly disgusted look on his face, and went: “Yeah this, right there, is the reason I can’t get into this show. I’d sit down and watch, I’d kinda enjoy it; then these two show up, and it suddenly goes from an entertaining supernatural show to freaking vampire Disney, and there’s no going back. I can’t take this show seriously.”

This is what I mean. Random reviews and such we're essentially saying the same things-- they halt the show's momentum and there is NO WAY that if not planned, the show isn't hearing this very clearly.

Ah, I kinda disagree about Klaus being painted as a good, romantic soul. The way I saw it, he took extreme pleasure in learning a secret which could potentially ruin T/C, and he didn’t try to hide it either.

OK, I like this take much better. Thank you. :)

Finally they are starting to see Damon for all his effort, sacrifice, and efficiency. [...] It was about time everyone recognized this and it makes me happy that they are starting to now.

You know how much I bitched about this last season, but as we got to the last few episodes I kept saying: Are we beginning to see it actually happen? And I was very, very hopeful those last few episodes and glory halleluja!, this season totally seems to be bearing that out. Meredith saying that stuff to Damon. Jeremy working on a plan with Damon. Tyler and Jeremy sharing information with Damon. Last week, Jeremy, Bonnie, the others seeming to get and feel for Damon's words/attitude at the Lantern-lighting. It's good.

Alright, I suppose I could squee a little bit with you. Lol Just once though.

Hopefully we're given many more reasons to squee this season! :D