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19 October 2012 @ 05:06 am
4.02 - 'Memorial' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Do you know what happened today?! I went to the dentist. Fun! I also voted. Whee! Oh, yeah, and this little show I watch came on. You might have heard of it... The Vampire Diaries! WOOHOO!!

Let's start with the incredibly unhealthy relationship of Stefan and Elena on shining display. Oh, and reason #1039 why one should never trust Julie Plec's interviews. After the premiere, she gave an interview in which she said that things won't be perfect for Stefan and Elena... because she's a vampire now. Seriously, she said that was the only reason they would have issues. Shyeah, right! What happened in this episode -- that she co-wrote! -- had nothing to do with Elena being a vampire. No, this episode featured all of their issues laid out in plain view: The living in their bubble of delusion (and like in 3.20, Elena tried to stick reality into it, but Stefan shot down that attempt), lying and omitting information, Elena's very real and there feelings for Damon, and Stefan's startling inability to face reality. And it was delicious from my perspective.

So many subtle, and obvious, and paralleled-callbacks, and symbolic signs that things just are not working here. Elena finally getting a dose of the upside of being a vampire (when she successfully compelled April's upset away), she received from Caroline... not Stefan. And, of course, correlation or not, the fact that they specifically chose to have Elena THROW UP in the middle of her make-out session with Stefan was interesting. Then, of course, came the key scene for me. Stefan being a passive-aggressive prick with her after the funeral because of what he found out from Damon. It took Elena flat-out asking him if he was mad before he actually told her that he was. And then he turned around and got on Elena's case about lying, keeping things from him, and yeah, she did, but still, really, Stefan? REALLY? When throughout so much of their relationship he has lied to her, kept things from her, whitewashed things for her on a never-ending basis, really?. And other than when finding out about Katherine, she has NEVER called him on it, never made him feel guilty for doing so. Yet, Stefan chooses now, this time, when she's a wreck trying to figure out how to be a better vampire, to be a passive-aggressive asshole and make her feel like shit. Really, Stefan. REALLY?!

But going a bit deeper, there were a few other things that caught my attention here. First of all, Elena explained that she thought Damon would understand -- implying that she didn't believe Stefan would. And then, of course, Stefan got upset about this contention. Again, really, Stefan? She tried to tell him that it wasn't working since she threw it all up, but nope, he just brushed that aside, made an excuse for it with a smile and a glass of alcohol to toast how great things were going. Why would she even think for a second that he would understand? She wouldn't. But she didn't apologize, which I loved, even after Stefan got upset about this. Elena did not apologize for going to Damon, nor did she rush to assure Stefan that it was only him, that Damon was just her friend. And that is definitely something that she would have done prior to the events of season 03.

Then came one final thing, I found it very interesting that as Stefan continued his little pissy-train, Elena distracted him by making it all about 'oh, I'm so upset, come comfort me' which reminded me of what had happened in "Bloodlines." Elena was upset about Katherine, and so Stefan changed the subject to something that would send Elena in need of comfort. The misdirection that Elena used here struck me as very, very similar. Guess who co-wrote "Bloodlines?" Yup, Julie Plec.

Then, of course, comes Stefan's grand scheme to make Elena love only him! Because really that's how it came across. First we have that ridiculous pronouncement from him: "We think we're numb to it, we push it away, we make a joke out of it, ignore how we feel, never just let ourselves grieve." And I'm sorry, but it's coming again... Really, Stefan? You? You, of all people, are saying this? Really?! Do you honestly think that Matt has not been grieving his sister since he had his real goodbye with her? That Bonnie hasn't spent the last year, and amplifed the last few days, grieving for her Grams? That Elena, Jeremy haven't been grieving their parents, their aunt? (Though, clearly not John. Ah, poor Uncle Daddy John Sark.) You, Stefan, YOU are the one who pushes things away, ignore how things really are and feel, don't just deal. You do that, and you've helped lead Elena down that path... a path that she was veering from the six months you were gone, growing stronger, facing reality, facing life as it comes with someone who encouraged that in her by her side. (Psst, that would be Damon.)

But, of course, even if Stefan was doing this all for the reasons he stated, as unself-aware as they were, I wouldn't think he was a raging asshole. As I did think of him throughout most of this episode. This was just the final scene illustrating that because Stefan wasn't doing this for the greater good. This was about making himself look good to Elena and remind her that Damon is bad news. Note how he looked at Damon and Elena very deliberately when he mentioned his Uncle Zach (who Damon killed) and his friend, Lexi (who Damon killed), but, funny, how there was no mention of his dad, or Andie and how that hurt Damon. No, Stefan only mentioned the two people that Damon killed (and Alaric -- which he SO HAD NO RIGHT TO DO!-- to score brownie points with Elena). But no mention of the significant peeople that HE had killed, including his father, who one imagines he would have grieved for. Yeah.

But, again, Stefan was a prick supreme this episode. He was a hypocritical dick to Elena earlier; he was a complete douchebag to Damon -- his brother had JUST been shot by multiple bullets after trying to take out the guy that was trying to take all of them out -- and he chose that moment when his brother is literally down to punch him in the face? Stefan, you are an asshole! With that said, I didn't mind at all that he was such an asshole because it was clearly deliberate and clearly, *clearly* based on the fact that as much as he'd like to cling to his bubble of delusion that since Elena chose him, Damon's no longer an issue, it ain't working out like that.

Elena turned to Damon... because she couldn't turn to Stefan. Elena believed that Damon would understand her... because she didn't believe that Stefan could. Elena shared blood with Damon... even though Damon flat-out told her to not tell Stefan because it was "personal." And Elena did NOT tell Stefan. Elena didn't tell Stefan that she wasn't holding any blood down... to the point that when she threw up all over herself, she didn't call Stefan, she didn't ask her boyfriend to go get her a change of clothes... no, she called her non-boyfriend to do it. She. turned. to. Damon. While keeping how she was really feeling from Stefan. And Stefan got a first-hand view of that outside the church. Looking at where Stefan wound up in relation to Elena walking by him (and not noticing he was there) and where Damon was, it was obvious that Stefan was actually walking up to them from an angle that would have had him seeing Elena's face as she stood in the circle of Damon's arms. Uh huh.

Yeah, she was standing in the circle of his arms and it was delicious. (Though that blood there didn't turn out so delicious, huh, Elena?)

 

I liked so much about this whole scene. In the gif above, he was staring deeply into her eyes, while brushing her hair as he insisted that she wasn't better off dead. As he said all the right things to her even as she and he both faced the truth of what was going on. He also tried to think of a reasonable explanation (the Doppelganger blood). He was dealing with the reality of what was going on and looking for a solution. Earlier and then, when one thing didn't work, he tried another, then another. He was dealing with it, and she was going along with him and letting him know the actual results. And again, she said she should have just died, being so honest with him, as she couldn't be with Stefan.

 

Then, of course, there was the callback to the first scene -- at least for me. Having Elena describe what it felt like with Stefan's hand on her, how it made her feel, that came to mind when Damon had his hands on her in this scene, on her bare arm, on her lips, cupping her face. That tension was so there with them, and while I don't think that Elena would have kissed him, I think it's certainly possible that had he kissed her, she would have responded. It took the bell ringing to bring them out of the moment, and her voice was lower and softer when she said she had to get inside as she pulled away from him. Ooh, lovely, lovely tension! :D

That was, one could say, a tad more pronounced in their earlier scene. UH HUH!

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But before we get specifically to that, I do want to say that I don't know why, but I got such a kick out of Damon grabbing her hand and pulling her into the bathroom the way he did. It just made me grin. :) Then of course, the feeding/blood-sharing, whatever you want to call it. The bottom-line is that the show didn't even remotely pretend that the feeding wasn't 100% sexual with her rubbing all up against him, him stroking her hair, practically on the verge of making an O face --> Cut to Tyler/Caroline having sex.

 

Really, the only way they could have made it more obvious was if it was written across the bottom of the screen in bright neon letters: THIS IS A VAMPIRIC SIMULATION OF SEX, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, A BLOWJOB. ENJOY. (And I did. I really, really did. :D)

What I also enjoyed (but not nearly as much) was my potential, vaguely-put together theory about what happened with the Pastor and the council last week based on Connor's invisible ink tattoo. What if... there is some deeper plan that is in conjunction with witches who can communicate with the other side? Jeremy can see people from the other side. Doesn't it make sense then that he can see other things from the other side? Like a tattoo with some plan or whatever in another language created on the other side? Which ties into the possibility that Connor knew about the Council, knew the Doomsday plan -- since he seemed to know to look for a letter -- and that this Doomsday plan of Pastor Young has to do with witchy-interference on the other side. ? Uh huh. Things that make you go hmmm.....

Still, dude is not cool! Stabbing poor, innocent April just to use her as bait! Ugh, certainly not a nice vampire-hunter like... ALARIC!

OH MY! That final scene. Oh my, oh my, oh my! My heart! I LOVED that final scene. And it really meant a lot to me because the show *finally* gave me the happy closure feels for Alaric/Damon that I personally felt was missing last season. This? This was just perfection. And it tied into Damon's earlier "this seat is taken" and how he isn't ready to let go of Ric. Awww. Now, at first I thought that Elena or even Jeremy was going to walk up behind him, because when saying Alaric's name, Jeremy was looking at Damon, and he handed him a lantern, then watched with sadness as he walked away. Taking a break from my Alaric/Damon feels, I gotta say I loved that so much. It just seemed as if Jeremy really got Damon at that moment. (As did Bonnie, but a bit more on that below.) So I certainly thought it was reasonable that Jeremy would have figured where Damon had gone. And, of course, Elena, because as much as Damon understands her, she does generally understand him too.

However, to reveal that Alaric was there sitting by Damon, listening to his every word... aaaahhhh!! I just, ah, was so very moved. It was such a beautiful, awesome surprise to see Matt Davis so unexpectedly, but so gloriously. I admit it, I sniffed, I teared up. I loved!

{{SOBS}} "I miss you too, buddy." And I am verklempt again.

Okay then, random thoughts...

Damon always has so many good lines, but this night seemed to have a plethora. These were my favorite:

- "If I was gonna kill 12 people, I wouldn't blow 'em up, I'd have a dinner party."
- "Damon... Germaphobe."
- "Don't know why that always makes me smile." (Him saying that after signing himself with the holy water and that little smirk cracked me up SO hard!)
- "Japanese lanterns is a symbol of letting go of the past, well, here's a newsflash: We're not Japanese." (It's all in the delivery, baby!)

- As much unfun as the opening scene was for me, I did find it interesting how it was all framed. It wasn't just Stefan and Elena doing new-vampire stuff together, hunting, touchy-feely, making out, nope, it was intermixed with Damon, Stefan and Elena discussing that outting before what we saw happen making it all very triangle-y. And proving Damon right. Stefan is arguing that this is what's best for Elena, and Damon is telling him it won't work. And scene ends... on Elena throwing up Stefan's argument. Score one for Damon!

- While Stefan was an asshole, I can't deny that Damon had his crowning moment as well. "Accidentally" letting it slip that Elena had fed from him. Tsk, tsk, Damon. But, hey, turnabout's fair play. Stefan pulled the same move in his lovely, usual passive-aggressive way in "Rose" letting Damon know ever so casually that he was drinking Elena's blood.

- About the lantern plan, sweet and all that, but even as they were doing it, I was this close to rolling my eyes. It was cheesy, and kinda pointless. And then here comes my darling Damon saying so much of what I'm thinking. With that said, I was quite, quite happy to see that Damon was so obviously included *in the group.* It was his choice to walk away, but he was invited, included and not an eye was rolled or a derisive comment sent in his direction. And it truly appeared as if everyone understood where Damon was coming from to some degree when he walked away. Especially Jeremy and Bonnie.

- Which brings us to... I really thought for a moment Bonnie was going to get up and walk away too, and that paired with Damon's comments about them all being children made me think that distant_autumn and I were on to something about the lot of them being kids and needing to grow up, and that we were entering that phase. And Bonnie more than the others really started taking those steps last season, so I thought that was an interesting little moment.

- I was pleased to see Damon and Bonnie heading toward each other as they arrived and walked up to the lantern thing-a-majig because of how they spoke, acted with one another. As teeny as that scene was, it seemed to follow through with how I read their improved relationship in the last two episodes of season 03.

- One other thing about the lantern scene, I thought it was interesting that even though the final shot of any of the group was Stefan and Elena standing next to each other, there was still a bit of distance between them. Honestly, I almost would have expected the camera to drop and show Stefan or Elena reach out for the other's hand, showing that Stefan's plan had worked. But it didn't. True, she was smiling at him, but body language, folks! Body language. :)

- OK, OK wait, one more lantern thing. I liked how they were introduced earlier in the episode, but it didn't feel anvillicious when they came into play at the end.

- Tyler and Caroline? Uhm, they were onscreen? God, I so don't care about them. And fine, whatever, you can make Caroline say she's being insensitive, but they are just empty words. I was so thrilled we had that scene with her and Elena later because I needed to see Caroline outside of her freaking boyzone finally!

- I thought the Elena/Caroline/April scene was lovely. Really well done and as I said above, I loved that her first positive vampire experience came courtesy of Caroline. (Well, second, it may have ended not so fun later, but at the time, you know girl was enjoying sucking on Damon's hand, all up in his grill in the Grille.) sarcasticcheese complained that Elena compelled April to think the funeral was lovely, which was silly because everyone knew how it ended! But I didn't have a problem with that because to me it was obvious that Elena wasn't done. She was still kneeling in front of April and had even turned from Caroline to look back at April before the scene shifted. So, the rest of the compulsion would have involved how after the nice things were said about her dad, things went crazy, oh and to clean the blood off her face and get rid of that dress, forgetting the whole stabbing/vampire-healing aspect happened.

- Speaking of the crazy funeral, I LOVED Carol saying 'duh, I have to call the ambulance! Everyone saw him shot.' (Stupid kids!)

- I sorta got two things right from last week! I said that "I really thought she wouldn't be able to reach the blood of the council dude and that Matt would come in and she'd drink from him." An episode and a few show days later, yup, she fed on Matt. :) And I hate to say it because I LOVE their relationship/friendship as it is now, but I'm not counting out the possibility that Elena winds up having sex as a vampire for the first time with Matt. Obviously, I want it to be Damon, and the logical choice is Stefan (ugh!), but I'm not counting some crazy thing happening that leads to it with Matt. (Great, give Rebekah *another* reason to want Elena dead!)

- Also, I said this: "I thought it was Damon who was turning on the gas, and then even better, Matt or Meredith, which would have been really cool. Because we would have had Stefan's line about Damon planning revenge, followed by Matt or Meredith actually doing the deed. That would have been shocking and would have set up Stefan, Elena, Bonnie, etc. blaming Damon before the reveal. So I got that partly right, Liz and Elena blamed Damon! And, yet, they very quickly believed him when he denied it. :)

- As always I love any time that Damon and Liz have scenes, and I LOVE how open and honest with Liz that Damon is being. And how he shut her down when she was all self-righteous about knowing those council members her whole life. Yeah, well, those council members tried to kill your daughter. And score another one for Damon!

- Aha! Of course, once again Damon figured it out. Everyone smelt the blood but it was Damon who told them not to react and turn around because it was a trap. I love my Damon. He's so smart!

- OK, so Stefan said those bullets would kill a normal vampire, but Damon took a bunch in the chest and didn't die. Ergo, Damon isn't a normal vampire (wink, wink) or Stefan is being his usual Stefan-y self and is not all that bright. Or..... continuity error.

- I liked the small Damon/Matt moment when he was watching Matt let Elena feed on him. It was like he was surprised, and he approved and was maybe a little proud. OK, this could be my desperate desire to have Damon/Matt bonding moments coming into play here, I will confess. (Man, I want Damon to take Jeremy and Matt on some road trip. I WOULD DIE WITH THE LOVING OF IT if they did it right!!)

- I'm glad that Jamie was mentioned. We didn't need much more than that one line, so I'm glad we got it.

- A couple of name-thingies. Heh! I have ATT U-verse and the synopsis for this episode said "Nina has difficulty adjusting to vampirism..." Yeah, you read that right: "Nina" instead of "Elena." Hehehehehe. And show-related, Claire Holt's name was in the credits as a guest star even if we didn't see her.

So, I was very happy with this episode, mostly because I really feel like the Stefan/Elena, Damon/Elena aspects are playing out exactly as I had hoped they would. And I'm still enjoying most of the characters -- even when Stefan is in asshole mode, as long as I get why, and I SOOOO get why here, I enjoy him! Definitely better than the first episode (even though I did like it), and Damon remains the most awesome character EVA!
 
 
 
x5vale: torturedx5vale on October 19th, 2012 09:31 am (UTC)
WORD TO EVERY SINGLE WORD YOU WROTE ABOUT DAMON and pretty much everyone else.

Sorry for the capslock but this episode had me flail and cry and fangirl like I haven't done in a while watching TVD.

How bad I feel for Damon since he has lost the only friend he has ever had?

Arabian: Damon&Alaric03arabian on October 20th, 2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
Damon was awesome, awesome -- but of course, he's always awesome, but he was really awesome here. I really enjoyed this one, the closest I've felt this excited was since 3.19. :)

I feel bad for Damon too, losing Alaric. :sniffsniff:
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bangel_4e: harmonydancebangel_4e on October 19th, 2012 09:35 am (UTC)
I'm also pretty satisfied with this episode...the Stefan/Elena relationship is not gonna be easy this time...for ALL the reasons you wrote.
I was so pleased when Elena went to Damon cause he would understand...ahhh..and THE SCENE! Julie Plec said it's like "vampire naked cuddling". <3

I agree Damon wasn't so nice in telling Stefan but at least he didn't hide it..which would've been worse later.
The Dalaric scene was perfect...and it gave me yet another reason (how many do I have??) to love Damon...he takes care of the kids..ahhh.

Btw, love your reviews. Gonna go and write mine but it's gonna be mostly me going uhhh with a bunch of gifs :)

PS. MATT/ELENA SEX??? For the love of God...I would die if I saw that..I just..I wouldn't like it.
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on October 21st, 2012 06:32 am (UTC)
I'm so pleased because the S/E and D/E relationships are playing out exactly as I had hoped they would be this season (minus the S/E make-out, LOL!)

Damon was just fantastic, but, guh! I felt so much for him. He's all alone. My poor bb, Damon!

Btw, love your reviews

Thank you. :)

Gonna go and write mine but it's gonna be mostly me going uhhh with a bunch of gifs :)

That's not a bad thing, LOL!

RE: Matt/Elena, I hope I'm wrong, but reading even the brief synopsis for the 4.07 episode makes me thing it's certainly possible. I LOVE Matt and Elena's relationship and I just don't see how them having sex again wouldn't severely damage it. :( Not to mention.... WAH! DAMON/ELENA!!!
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Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on October 19th, 2012 11:03 am (UTC)
Yeah, the breathtaking hypocrisy of Stefan, Stefan! calling Elena out for lying is, I don't know, breathtaking.

Any, albeit incredibly tenuous, theories I might have about the Council are based on spoilers, so I won’t get into that. But they’re only vague notions, so you’re not missing any great insight.

>>>That if... there is some deeper plan that is in conjunction with witches who can communicate with the other side?

Good thought. I’m not sure about the witches part, but the communicating with the dead part is good… what if the dead Council members are like spies on the other side?

>>I was quite, quite happy to see that Damon was so obviously included *in the group.* It was his choice to walk away, but he was invited, included and not an eye was rolled or a derisive comment sent in his direction. And it truly appeared as if everyone understood where Damon was coming from to some degree when he walked away. Especially Jeremy and Bonnie.

It was nice, but he couldn't exactly stay even if he'd wanted to since he'd killed a lot of those people! Super awkward, but that chimes with this being Stefan's stab back at him. Let Stefan litter the countryside and choke small animals with the kids.

One thing I noticed was the contrast of the cool tones of that scene at the beginning with Stefan and Elena (and we were threatened with Vamp!sex that actually didn't happen, hee! |I thought they’d get further than that before the vomiting) and the warm, soft, ‘romantic’ shades of the Damon/Elena blood drinking (and how perfectly Damon is that Marina and the Diamonds song?). Cold light of day = reality setting in.

>>OK, so Stefan said those bullets would kill a normal vampire, but Damon took a bunch in the chest and didn't die. Ergo, Damon isn't a normal vampire (wink, wink) or Stefan is being his usual Stefan-y self and is not all that bright. Or..... continuity error.

It was kind of glaring after making such a point of the bullets earlier, I can't believe they hung a lantern on that and then made an error. I don't believe Damon is special though - only in his own flawless way. :D


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Arabian: Damon11arabian on October 21st, 2012 06:36 am (UTC)
Yeah, the breathtaking hypocrisy of Stefan, Stefan! calling Elena out for lying is, I don't know, breathtaking.

I think my jaw literally dropped at some point during that scene.

I’m not sure about the witches part, but the communicating with the dead part is good… what if the dead Council members are like spies on the other side?

Hmm... Could be.

It was nice, but he couldn't exactly stay even if he'd wanted to since he'd killed a lot of those people!

Well, he *only* killed Lexi, Zach and Vickie of that group. There's that. Oh, Damon.

that chimes with this being Stefan's stab back at him.

Exactly. Stefan, raging douchebag of Mystic Falls. Klaus didn't show up this episode, so Stefan took the crown.

One thing I noticed was the contrast of the cool tones of that scene at the beginning with Stefan and Elena (and we were threatened with Vamp!sex that actually didn't happen, hee! |I thought they’d get further than that before the vomiting) and the warm, soft, ‘romantic’ shades of the Damon/Elena blood drinking (and how perfectly Damon is that Marina and the Diamonds song?). Cold light of day = reality setting in.

Hmm, hmm... I didn't catch that, but you are very right. And those opening scenes were almost muted too color-wise, while the D/E backed against a tree scene was flush full of color and sunlight.

It was kind of glaring after making such a point of the bullets earlier, I can't believe they hung a lantern on that and then made an error. I don't believe Damon is special though - only in his own flawless way. :D

Yeah, that was not... erm, the best continuity-wise they've ever been.
Alisha: Revenge - EmilyNolanBamfWalkkalishaka on October 19th, 2012 12:25 pm (UTC)
I can't even add anything to this. You said everything I thought.

The final scene was gorgeous. And it explains so much about Damon. He didn't get what he wanted. He doesn't think he'll ever get what he wants. And still he stays. Because they matter now, they all matter now. Someone has to look out for them, and once and older sibling....always an older sibling. You have to take care of the kids. And his conversation with Alaric about it....Matt Davis sitting there...it was everything I didn't get when Vampire Alaric died and Damon could only deal with the fact it meant Elena had died. It was beautiful and I am so grateful that they wrote it.

The lantern scene was incredibly contrived but the acting sold it. Jeremy reaching out to Damon. Bonnie's sympathy. For the first time they felt like a complete connected unit. Not forced by circumstances to come together even while fighting, but coming together because they love each other. They are a family. There was so much more underneath it all and it played so well. The same way that when Stefan went to see Bonnie and he actually comforted her first, simply for her. It was a nice touch. Granted it also means Stefan is more in tune to any woman that is not Elena. Oh well!

Matt in the church, stepping up for Elena. His realization that this...this he can do. He might have killed her, taken away her humanity. But now he could save her. And Damon watching on, respecting what it meant. There was almost a bit of forgiveness there which Matt has been craving.

While Caroline helped Elena all I could think about was how much time Stefan spent helping and caring for Caroline in a way that he seemed unable to do with Elena. He was unwilling to deal with the change in Elena, what it could mean. His only care on keeping her from truly being a vampire, because he doesn't seem to know how to love her as something else. Caroline reaching out and training her, forcing her to learn and deal with the change. It was a lovely moment for the two of them, but also a stark contrast to how Stefan had been trying to train her. And in many ways it parallels Damon's. The only way Elena can learn is by just doing and then dealing with what happens after.

Stefan seems fixated on the idea that Elena will be like him, but in trying to avoid it, it seems like he is trying to create that exact problem. He wants to place all his self-hate onto Elena's lap as well. And Elena gets that. That's why she tells him she is fine. She doesn't want to be anything less than perfect for him, because it might change how he views her, and worse, how he views himself.

Every time she called to Damon or reached out to Damon just reminded me of the beginning of Season three. Even now that Stefan is right there, he's not the person she trusts to put her back together and pick up the pieces. In the midst of all the heightened emotions and fears, she knows that Damon will never judge her. She knows he will always come when she calls.

This season has been a lovely Delena fest thus far. I am not disappointed.

Also, that scene outside the church with the blood bag, I completely missed how much of a call back the touching was to when Stefan did it earlier in the episode....and now I have even more fuzzy Delena feels.

hotarujazzhotarujazz on October 19th, 2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
Stefan seems fixated on the idea that Elena will be like him, but in trying to avoid it, it seems like he is trying to create that exact problem. He wants to place all his self-hate onto Elena's lap as well. And Elena gets that. That's why she tells him she is fine. She doesn't want to be anything less than perfect for him, because it might change how he views her, and worse, how he views himself.

THIS!!!! You read my mind!!! It directly contrasts Stefan's lying to Elena, he never lied because Elena couldn't handle it but because HE couldn't handle the truth!

This episode generally put me off of Stefan as a character because I think EVERYONE handled themselves more maturely than him. I don't see how the writers can redeem his character to me.

Delena is alive more than ever! I am also pleasantly surprised at how Damon is keeping up with his character growth but still returning a little to his season 1 fun loving bad ass sarcastic self. I was kinda nervous when I was reading preseason interviews with Ian and Julie Plec where they said he was returning to season 1 Damon. I was afraid they would ignore all of character growth that he went trough these past 3 years and that would be horrible! I think he is best developed character on the show and his emotional and generally personal development is the most consistent and well rounded compared to Stefan and Elena(shows other main characters).

Loved this episode and hope that they continue this season with same feel and same quality!

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Vickie: Ian - Dalaric BFFsarcasticcheese on October 19th, 2012 12:55 pm (UTC)
So, the tattoo on Connor's arm Jeremy saw?

Check THIS out:



And from the promo art/stills:



INTERESTING.
Cassandra Elise: gilmore girlscassandra_elise on October 19th, 2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
Good Catch! I'm wondering if Connor and the blown up council are Julie Plec's version of the Guardians that are in the book series. I haven't actually read the books, so I may be completely off. I know book!Elena is a guardian, but making Jeremy one in the TV series makes more sense to me than vampire-Elena-turned-guardian.
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Cassandra Elise: damon dancingcassandra_elise on October 19th, 2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
Hee! So Many Feels about this episode!

Let's start with the incredibly unhealthy relationship of Stefan and Elena on shining display.


OMG! Let's! I knew from spoilers that Stelena's make out was interrupted by her vomiting, but I wasn't expecting so many other negative aspects of their relationship to come to light so quickly. Stefan and Elena's living in denial land has and always will be one of the reasons I can't in good conscious ship them. In this episode we saw Stefan pretending that Elena wasn't having issues with animal blood all in some misguided attempt to keep her from becoming a Ripper like himself. And Elena knew that Stefan was worried about her falling off of that pedestal he's placed her on, so she lied to him. A lot.

And then he turned around and got on Elena's case about lying, keeping things from him, and yeah, she did, but still, really, Stefan? REALLY? When throughout so much of their relationship he has lied to her, kept things from her, whitewashed things for her on a never-ending basis, really?

IKR? One thing I can't stand is a hypocrite. *slaps Stefan* Okay, I feel better now. :P But I think this proves how WRONG these two are for each other. He is never this hypocritical with Caroline or Bonnie. BTW, I loved his scene with Bonnie. (NGL, I shipped Bonnie/Stefan in season one until I found the awesomeness of Jeremy/Bonnie in season two). He knew just what to do to make Bonnie feel better. Something he can't seem to figure out with Elena.

Elena turned to Damon... because she couldn't turn to Stefan. Elena believed that Damon would understand her... because she didn't believe that Stefan could. Elena shared blood with Damon... even though Damon flat-out told her to not tell Stefan because it was "personal." And Elena did NOT tell Stefan. Elena didn't tell Stefan that she wasn't holding any blood down... to the point that when she threw up all over herself, she didn't call Stefan, she didn't ask her boyfriend to go get her a change of clothes... no, she called her non-boyfriend to do it. She. turned. to. Damon. While keeping how she was really feeling from Stefan. And Stefan got a first-hand view of that outside the church.


Massive Points for our ship! I loved that scene outside the church, and I immediately picked up the parallels between the touching scene with Stefan earlier in the episode. Nina does a great bit of acting with her eyes (you can see it in the second gif you posted), where she goes from looking safe and secure in Damon's embrace to looking confused, like she's thinking, "what am I doing letting another man comfort me and stroke me? And why do I enjoy it?"

Then of course, the feeding/blood-sharing, whatever you want to call it. The bottom-line is that the show didn't even remotely pretend that the feeding wasn't 100% sexual with her rubbing all up against him, him stroking her hair, practically on the verge of making an O face --> Cut to Tyler/Caroline having sex.

Ha! If that wasn't deliberate, I don't know what is! I love how they crash into the wall of the bathroom, and how Damon is totally getting *ahem* turned on.

OH MY! That final scene. Oh my, oh my, oh my! My heart! I LOVED that final scene. And it really meant a lot to me because the show *finally* gave me the happy closure feels for Alaric/Damon that I personally felt was missing last season. This? This was just perfection. And it tied into Damon's earlier "this seat is taken" and how he isn't ready to let go of Ric.

I cried, too. Damon didn't need to let go of silly lanterns to deal with his grief (which reminded me a bit of Disney's Tangled. LOL). He needed to vent to his BFF, who also happens to be dead. *sniffle* I was soooo not expecting Ric to show up, so it was such an emotionally gratifying surprise. I also loved how Damon called the rest of the Scooby gang children, because in many ways they still are. And his frustration that he has to stay to babysit...poor Damon. If anybody ever says Damon doesn't have a selfless side, show them this scene.
Arabian: Damon & Elena14arabian on October 22nd, 2012 04:54 am (UTC)
I wasn't expecting so many other negative aspects of their relationship to come to light so quickly. Stefan and Elena's living in denial land has and always will be one of the reasons I can't in good conscious ship them. In this episode we saw Stefan pretending that Elena wasn't having issues with animal blood all in some misguided attempt to keep her from becoming a Ripper like himself. And Elena knew that Stefan was worried about her falling off of that pedestal he's placed her on, so she lied to him. A lot.

It really was just a smorgasbord of WHY STEFAN AND ELENA DO NOT WORK! all around. Needless to say, I loved it. :)

One thing I can't stand is a hypocrite. *slaps Stefan* Okay, I feel better now. :P But I think this proves how WRONG these two are for each other.

Yes, it really, really does. That final scene should have been when he was understanding, when he tried to get it, and instead... we got THAT!

I loved that scene outside the church, and I immediately picked up the parallels between the touching scene with Stefan earlier in the episode.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one. It must have been intentional!

Nina does a great bit of acting with her eyes (you can see it in the second gif you posted), where she goes from looking safe and secure in Damon's embrace to looking confused, like she's thinking, "what am I doing letting another man comfort me and stroke me? And why do I enjoy it?"

Yup, you can totally see THAT moment when it shifts.

If that wasn't deliberate, I don't know what is! I love how they crash into the wall of the bathroom, and how Damon is totally getting *ahem* turned on.

Hee! I know, me too! :D

I cried, too. Damon didn't need to let go of silly lanterns to deal with his grief [...] He needed to vent to his BFF, who also happens to be dead. *sniffle*

Sigh. I know. Why, Ric, why?!?!? (Or should I say, why, show, why!??!?)

I was soooo not expecting Ric to show up, so it was such an emotionally gratifying surprise.

I expected to see him, but with Jeremy (as I have it in my story), so it never crossed my mind that we'd see his ghost with DAMON! And I loved it.

I also loved how Damon called the rest of the Scooby gang children, because in many ways they still are.

Yup, but they are starting to grow up, and finishing high school this year is no doubt deliberate in terms of showing them growing up.

And his frustration that he has to stay to babysit...poor Damon. If anybody ever says Damon doesn't have a selfless side, show them this scene.

I KNOW!!!!!!! My poor bb, Damon!
ivyflores: pic#103038198ivyflores on October 19th, 2012 03:38 pm (UTC)
Hi! I've been lurking around your LJ for a while, but never reviewed anything (and I feel terribly guilty about that). Then I came here earlier today, saw this post and all of the sudden I'm like 'god, she can read my mind and now I'm having all the feels!'

Your perspective on the characters and their relationships never ceases to amaze me, so basically I needed to come here and say how awesome you are! :)
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 21st, 2012 10:48 am (UTC)
I love hearing thoughts from lurkers coming on out. So HI! Thank you so much, and totally feel free to share whenever! :)
Florencia: DE (In Silence)florencia7 on October 20th, 2012 12:59 pm (UTC)
You should've gone to the dentist after the show, then no anesthetics would've been necessary ;D I watched the episode yesterday and I'm still hyperventilating lol

Because of all the hype (“one of 5 best eps”) I really had NO expectations, so I was almost completely caught off guard by how awesome this episode turned to be for ALL the possible reasons.

I'm not reading Julie's interviews anymore. She's the most unreliable source out there haha

”Elena explained that she thought Damon would understand -- implying that she didn't believe Stefan would.” - I so adored this moment. Not only did Elena say that at all, but also there was that brief moment right after she said it and when Stefan responded the way he did, very subtle but still, in Elena's eyes, that glimpse saying that for a split second she was sincerely confused why Stefan was even surprised. For Elena it was something natural, because for such a long time and especially during season 3 it was always Damon who was there for her, so seeking his help was the obvious thing to do. Apparently, Stefan *forgot* everything he was doing – and not doing - for the past few months.

SE scenes were too good to be true lol The scene in the woods was quick and I won't even comment on how it ended lol And while Elena also refused Damon's blood, the rejection didn't happen in the same scene, it happened later which is an interesting choice if only for purely esthetic reasons. Also, I'm probably reading too much into it, but when Elena rejected Damon's blood, he was there to deal with the consequences (and she called him because she knew he would). When Elena rejected the animal blood earlier, Stefan did absolutely nothing except for opening the bottle of champagne later on and completely ignoring Elena's attempts to explain that she wasn't OK, and then he even had the nerve to accuse her of lying?!?!?! That final SE scene was better than the most biased DE fanfic lol Seriously. I could hardly believe they made Stefan behave in such a ridiculous, wrong way. It wasn't just a jealous boyfriend act. It was an abusive boyfriend act! First he riled Elena up by making her feel guilty (for what was pretty much his fault to begin with!), and then when she became hysterical he LOWERED HIS VOICE to a soft whisper and told her that her emotions were heightened 0________0

This entire episode was just such a DE fest (and that includes SE scenes) I can't even fully process it just yet lol The Elena/Caroline scene was the cherry on top. It was just wonderful. Elena's joy over being able to do something good, to make someone feel better thanks to her vampire skills! It was probably something Stefan should have highlighted for her, but no, it was Caroline (which makes me VERY happy, so I'm obviously not complaining).
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on October 22nd, 2012 05:05 am (UTC)
YBecause of all the hype (“one of 5 best eps”) I really had NO expectations, so I was almost completely caught off guard by how awesome this episode turned to be for ALL the possible reasons.

I hadn't heard that, and even hearing it now, I actually disagree. It had some incredibly awesome scenes, but overall, I don't think it was one of the best episodes. They've simply had too many episodes that hit on every cylinder in every scene, and this one didn't do that for me. But it was a great episode, and certainly was a very strong one, definitely stronger than the premiere.

I'm not reading Julie's interviews anymore. She's the most unreliable source out there haha

Damn, she's so not.

there was that brief moment right after she said it and when Stefan responded the way he did, very subtle but still, in Elena's eyes, that glimpse saying that for a split second she was sincerely confused why Stefan was even surprised. For Elena it was something natural, because for such a long time and especially during season 3 it was always Damon who was there for her, so seeking his help was the obvious thing to do. Apparently, Stefan *forgot* everything he was doing – and not doing - for the past few months.

I didn't catch that, I'll have to look for that moment, but I don't doubt you at all. I think with the dust settling, so to speak, yeah, Stefan and Elena are going to find out that things really are NOT the same. And it's not just because she's a vampire.

while Elena also refused Damon's blood, the rejection didn't happen in the same scene, it happened later which is an interesting choice if only for purely esthetic reasons.

Not only that, the blood bag also produced an immediate result. Damon's blood she held for hours. I hope that means (oh, heck, I do know the bare bone spoiler of 4 so I know it does) that she'll be able to feed from other sources after getting the full blood load from the human source now.

Also, I'm probably reading too much into it, but when Elena rejected Damon's blood, he was there to deal with the consequences (and she called him because she knew he would). When Elena rejected the animal blood earlier, Stefan did absolutely nothing except for opening the bottle of champagne later on and completely ignoring Elena's attempts to explain that she wasn't OK, and then he even had the nerve to accuse her of lying?!?!?!

Yup, Damon deals, Stefan denies.

That final SE scene was better than the most biased DE fanfic lol Seriously. I could hardly believe they made Stefan behave in such a ridiculous, wrong way.

I couldn't believe it because it was so anti-S/E, but character-wise it made absolutely perfect sense and is what SHOULD have happened. So it really did a HUGE thing in restoring my faith in the overall awesome character writing.

It wasn't just a jealous boyfriend act. It was an abusive boyfriend act! First he riled Elena up by making her feel guilty (for what was pretty much his fault to begin with!)

Hmm, I didn't get that vibe. I don't think he was trying to make her feel guilty. He was being hypocritical, and he was mad, and he was justified in his anger and jealousy. Just because he's done the lying/omitting tons to her doesn't take away the fact that Elena DID do it to him too. It's not his fault she never called him on it. It's a two-way street of bad relationship-ness. But I don't think he was abusive.

, and then when she became hysterical he LOWERED HIS VOICE to a soft whisper and told her that her emotions were heightened 0________0

And here I got that he was realizing he was being an asshole and was trying to calm her down. He was trying to be the understanding boyfriend then because he realized this really wasn't the time -- her new vampire state -- to have this discussion.

Elena's joy over being able to do something good, to make someone feel better thanks to her vampire skills! It was probably something Stefan should have highlighted for her, but no, it was Caroline (which makes me VERY happy, so I'm obviously not complaining).

Yup, LOVED that! :)
Florencia: DE (In Silence)florencia7 on October 20th, 2012 01:00 pm (UTC)
[part 2]

He also tried to think of a reasonable explanation (the Doppelganger blood). He was dealing with the reality of what was going on and looking for a solution. Earlier and then, when one thing didn't work, he tried another, then another.” - THIS so much. This vs. Stefan's delusional, dysfunctional, fake optimism.

The entire DE scene in front of the church!... Well, the entire scene against the tree. This is not accidental, is it? That the SE “tree scene” was kind of pointless and didn't help Elena in the slightest while the DE scene was all about trying to find a solution, Damon trying to help Elena, telling her she wasn't better off dead. And people say it's DE that is sexual tension and nothing else! What this episode seemed to convey was pretty much the exact opposite.

Another thing, it just jumped out on me how Stefan kept saying “you will get through this”, “you will survive it”, etc. to Elena. Compare with: “we will survive this” between DE and multiple DE conversations in 3x10 in which they kept using “we” when talking about each other, not “I” or “you”.

Then, of course, there was the callback to the first scene -- at least for me. Having Elena describe what it felt like with Stefan's hand on her,” - OMG YES! I'm so with you on that one. And I could probably compete with Stefan as far as delusional personalities are concerned, but it actually seemed to me like the ONLY point of what Stefan was saying in the woods about touch/taste/smell was for us to keep that in mind while we'll be watching DE scenes (taste in the blood scene, touch in the latter scene) ^^

Oh, and hello to the newest DE cockblocker: the church bells LOL

The DE scene being cut to Caroline and Tyler in bed – that was the most hilariously in-your-face clue ever.

”"Damon... Germaphobe."” - I sooo loved that line + delivery ^^ It was awesome.

I don't really have my mind made up about Connor, however, he inserted himself into the story seamlessly, I give him that. There were some new characters in the past that I found distracting when they first appeared (I'm probably in the minority here but I never warmed up to Anna, for example). Connor (or rather Todd Williams it's what I mean) wasn't shouting “I'm a new character, pay attention TO ME” in his every scene. He just joined the show.

The lanterns – the scene didn't bother me too much, because I felt like the show wanted to address the fact they have killed off SO many characters lol So it seemed to me like they just wished to acknowledge that... probably more for the show's sake than the story's sake but anyway, I'm willing to forgive them for that ;)

”I want it to be Damon, and the logical choice is Stefan (ugh!)” - You know, I'm REALLY trying not to let myself hope beyond rational belief here, however, the official spoilers did mention it would happen early in the season so... we can cross out the first two episodes now + in 4x03 Stefan is supposed to end up asking Caroline for relationship advice and Damon and Elena are going to spend 4x04 together, so... I admit, at this point, considering what happened in 2x02 I'm actually allowing myself to tentatively believe it's going to be with Damon. Yup. I'm definitely more delusional than Stefan lol

I loved Damon/Liz scene. And Liz didn't even blink when Damon told her the seat was taken! Awwwwwwww

Also, probably a little thing but when Damon grabbed Elena at the Grill she just went with him, and when toward the end of the episode Stefan said they had to go somewhere she asked “where?” before she even moved an inch. It's little things like that that make me happy lol

I'm sorry this got so long ^^ I LOVED reading your thoughts!!!!! Your reaction posts are the best!!! ♥
Arabian: Damon & Elena04arabian on October 22nd, 2012 05:21 am (UTC)
The entire DE scene in front of the church!... Well, the entire scene against the tree. This is not accidental, is it? That the SE “tree scene” was kind of pointless and didn't help Elena in the slightest while the DE scene was all about trying to find a solution, Damon trying to help Elena, telling her she wasn't better off dead.

I didn't catch that they were both against a tree, LOL! But I'd disagree that the S/E tree scene was pointless. Not every scene it about helping Elena, and that certainly wasn't intended to. It was just them making out. And I'd certainly never say that fun, make-out scenes are pointless. THey're fun for viewers when it's their couple. Obviously it wasn't fun for us, but not pointless for other viewers. Also, it showed us that she can't handle blood and set up the next S/E scene and the following D/E scenes.

And people say it's DE that is sexual tension and nothing else! What this episode seemed to convey was pretty much the exact opposite.

But this I COMPLETELY agree with. I can't believe ANYONE can say that with a straight face. Seriously.

Another thing, it just jumped out on me how Stefan kept saying “you will get through this”, “you will survive it”, etc. to Elena. Compare with: “we will survive this” between DE and multiple DE conversations in 3x10 in which they kept using “we” when talking about each other, not “I” or “you”.

Ooh, good catch!

it actually seemed to me like the ONLY point of what Stefan was saying in the woods about touch/taste/smell was for us to keep that in mind while we'll be watching DE scenes (taste in the blood scene, touch in the latter scene) ^^

Yup. I was thinking that exact thing too. And others have commented on them thinking on that, so it had to have been intentional unless plenty of us read it wrong.

The DE scene being cut to Caroline and Tyler in bed – that was the most hilariously in-your-face clue ever.

Cracked me up.

”"Damon... Germaphobe."” - I sooo loved that line + delivery ^^ It was awesome.

Ian Somerhalder has THE best line delivery.

I don't really have my mind made up about Connor, however, he inserted himself into the story seamlessly, I give him that.

Agreed. (I've never been a fan of Anna either. I did love me some Pearl though!)

You know, I'm REALLY trying not to let myself hope beyond rational belief here, however, the official spoilers did mention it would happen early in the season so... we can cross out the first two episodes now + in 4x03 Stefan is supposed to end up asking Caroline for relationship advice and Damon and Elena are going to spend 4x04 together, so... I admit, at this point, considering what happened in 4x02 I'm actually allowing myself to tentatively believe it's going to be with Damon. Yup. I'm definitely more delusional than Stefan lol

I know Julie said it wasn't in the first 5 (or 6, I don't remember) episodes, and I know that 4.07 does have some Damon/Elena stuff, but Matt is also Elena's date to an event, so I'm keeping that possibility open. We'll see. I want to believe it's possible, but I desperately don't want to get my hopes up and get them dashed horribly.

Also, probably a little thing but when Damon grabbed Elena at the Grill she just went with him, and when toward the end of the episode Stefan said they had to go somewhere she asked “where?” before she even moved an inch. It's little things like that that make me happy lol

Well, to be fair, Damon did just grab her arm and pulled her along, LOL! But yeah, she could have stopped him, so good point.

Your reaction posts are the best!!! ♥

Thank you! And I love hearing what you have to say too. :D

Edited at 2012-10-25 07:30 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) on October 20th, 2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
I tend to think Elena's first vamp sex is going to be Damon but it's not going to be what we think. Julie has already stated in an interview that bloodsharing, in vamp lore, is very sexual and it was obviously implied in this episode. The blood sharing scene was only one-sided so it was more of a blow job or foreplay but I think they both will drink from each other in 4.4 and THAT will be Elena's first vamp sex. Notice how in the spoilers they specifically made it clear that Elena's first VAMP SEX will be with someone...well, i think with this episode they are redefining what vamp sex actually is. Also Nina said in an interview Elena's first time as a vamp will be fun and 4.4 is the epitome of fun for Elena. So there's my speculation...
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on October 20th, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
Nah, before I stopped reading spoilers/interviews, I recall Julie saying that Elena doesn't have vamp sex through episode 5 (possibly 6) I believe. I'm inclined to think that it's going to be episode 07, the Miss Mystic Falls episode for a few reasons. I just can't get the notion out of my head that it's going to be Matt, which makes me sad as I adore their relationship now and that would really mess it up, and Matt is her date to the dance. And there's been talk of some heavy, as good as the DE dance in 1.19 scenes in that episode too. Plus, it's the last episode before the first rerun hits (on Thanksgiving). We'll see.
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vanimy: D/E kissvanimy on October 21st, 2012 12:39 am (UTC)
I'll have to come back later for a more detailed review but for now I'll just say WORD to all of this.

Damon and Damon/Elena and Damon/Alaric were FLAWLESS and Stefan was a giant walking douchebag. Thank you for the gifs BTW! *fans self*
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on October 21st, 2012 10:54 am (UTC)
Hmm, can't wait. I love seeing you more positive! :D

Damon and Damon/Elena and Damon/Alaric were FLAWLESS and Stefan was a giant walking douchebag.

ALL OF THIS!

Thank you for the gifs BTW!

You're welcome. I have the full post up of the whole episode's gfis too. :)
jamdourado: pic#111516876jamdourado on October 21st, 2012 02:09 am (UTC)
I just wanted to laugh at Stefan and his honesty speech, yeah because you never hid anything from Elena.
I was a bit disappointed that nobody cared how Bonnie was, Elena, Caroline and Jeremy didn't show any worry about her, I know that Elena wasn't aware of her problems with her magic but the rest saw how devastated she was after putting Klaus in his original body.
And Damon's scene with Ric's grave, i just wanna cry again, I miss their bromance!!!
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on October 21st, 2012 10:55 am (UTC)
I just wanted to laugh at Stefan and his honesty speech, yeah because you never hid anything from Elena.

Seriously, dude, just REALLY!?!

I was a bit disappointed that nobody cared how Bonnie was, Elena, Caroline and Jeremy didn't show any worry about her, I know that Elena wasn't aware of her problems with her magic but the rest saw how devastated she was after putting Klaus in his original body.

Agreed; I'm just going with the head canon that she told them all she wanted to be alone and Stefan didn't know that which is why he came over.

And Damon's scene with Ric's grave, i just wanna cry again, I miss their bromance!!!

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Florencia: DE (I Like You Now)florencia7 on October 21st, 2012 12:44 pm (UTC)
[part 3] I'm such a spammer ^^ but since you mentioned I could add something ;D

I blame D&E for making me forget to say anything about Alaric lol This episode was just so awesome all around that I guess I'm still processing everything that happened haha

"it really meant a lot to me because the show *finally* gave me the happy closure feels for Alaric/Damon that I personally felt was missing last season." - That's exactly how I felt, and that's also the main reason why I loved this scene so much. THEY FIXED D/A ♥ After everything that happened in S3, after 3x22. All of a sudden we were taken back to a good place, to a happier place of their real friendship. Also, I loved how in this scene Alaric was listening to Damon so very intently. It's what you did in your fic with Meredith really listening to Damon!

It's also interesting how that final scene seemed to establish Damon as the main character. The show started with Stefan saying it was "his" story. Then over the course of season 2 and 3, because of the entire curse/doppelganger/Klaus deal the focus shifted to Elena. And now, assuming his responsibility for/attachment to/whatever we call it, "the kids" I just got this impression that Damon's story's been taken to the forefront.

That's actually a part of a bigger impression that I'm having here, that the proper story begins only now, that everything that happened earlier was some sort of a long, multi-layered introduction. Because only now that all these deep, meaningful connections between the characters were established, after everything they went through all together and everyone on their own, only now we can truly move forward.

One more thing. There seemed to be that glaring parallel between SE final scene and the DE scene in 3x05 and I think it's interesting how in SE scene there's distance between them while in DE scenes Damon takes a seat so close to Elena and is just at the same level physically and emotionally that she is. There is that sense of equality, of closeness, whereas Stefan never takes a seat, he remains standing (towering over Elena) and toward the end Elena also storms to her feet and so they both end up in some sort of disconnection to one another.

OK, I think I will go now lol (before I will need to add "part 4" haha)

♥!
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on October 22nd, 2012 05:38 am (UTC)
I'm such a spammer ^^ but since you mentioned I could add something ;D

Hah, you know I love hearing from you!

I blame D&E for making me forget to say anything about Alaric lol This episode was just so awesome all around that I guess I'm still processing everything that happened haha

See, I loved every scene with Damon, the last Stefan/Elena scene and the Elena/Caroline/April scene, plus Matt letting Elena feed on him. But other than that I don't think the episode was that awesome overall. Almost all of the other Caroline (Tyler-related) stuff did nothing for me. I don't care about Tyler's 'big sacrifice' (can't he die, please?!) and I don't know enough about Connor and I didn't find him terribly charismatic, and April looked older than Elena which threw me off a bit. So for me, it was great episode with a handful of AWESOME scenes, but not overall awesome.

That's exactly how I felt, and that's also the main reason why I loved this scene so much. THEY FIXED D/A ♥ After everything that happened in S3, after 3x22.

Perfect way to put it. THEY FIXED THEM!

All of a sudden we were taken back to a good place, to a happier place of their real friendship. Also, I loved how in this scene Alaric was listening to Damon so very intently. It's what you did in your fic with Meredith really listening to Damon!

Aww, yeah. He was there for him, and I'd like to think that Damon got a small measure of peace, as if maybe a part of him knew. I hope that Alaric shows up to Jeremy and somehow Damon finds out that Ric has been there for him still. :sniffsniff:

It's also interesting how that final scene seemed to establish Damon as the main character. The show started with Stefan saying it was "his" story. Then over the course of season 2 and 3, because of the entire curse/doppelganger/Klaus deal the focus shifted to Elena. And now, assuming his responsibility for/attachment to/whatever we call it, "the kids" I just got this impression that Damon's story's been taken to the forefront.

Well, you've read my series of episode/season central characters and Elena had it for season 01 and 03, while Damon had it for season 02, if they keep that pattern up, it might be Damon this season, but I do tend to think it will be Elena. To me this just framed Damon as THE adult very firmly in the group, as if he's finally accepting that mantle with Ric gone. He and Elena basically trade back and forth THE main character role.

That's actually a part of a bigger impression that I'm having here, that the proper story begins only now, that everything that happened earlier was some sort of a long, multi-layered introduction. Because only now that all these deep, meaningful connections between the characters were established, after everything they went through all together and everyone on their own, only now we can truly move forward.

Very, very interesting take there. Hmm...........

One more thing. There seemed to be that glaring parallel between SE final scene and the DE scene in 3x05 and I think it's interesting how in SE scene there's distance between them while in DE scenes Damon takes a seat so close to Elena and is just at the same level physically and emotionally that she is. There is that sense of equality, of closeness, whereas Stefan never takes a seat, he remains standing (towering over Elena) and toward the end Elena also storms to her feet and so they both end up in some sort of disconnection to one another.

Others have mentioned that too. I didn't catch that, but you're absolutely right. From him giving her the drink, to talking about what's going on, the room they were in, how she was sitting. Yeah. THis was definitely a VERY D/E and anti-S/E episode that's for sure. (And Julie Plec co-wrote it with a new writer to the show, so even if she wasn't the exec producer, you know she took lead!)
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archangel_blood: D/E sinner like mearchangel_blood on October 23rd, 2012 02:12 pm (UTC)
Late reply is late.

I have to say I’m much happier with this episode, as compared to the premiere, which in turn makes me happy all over again 

I was thoroughly entertained; I loved watching Elena trying to get the hang of this vampirism thing, I enthusiastically hated on the new vampire hunter guy, and of course I adored every second Damon was on my screen. This episode was a much appreciated step in the right direction.

Well, except for Stefan. Seriously, I don’t want to hate the dude, and I never really have; why do you make me loathe him now, show? Yes, it is obviously intentional, but I seriously find it disturbing just how much I’m starting to detest the guy. Good job, writers, I guess.

Yet, Stefan chooses now, this time, when she's a wreck trying to figure out how to be a better vampire, to be a passive-aggressive asshole and make her feel like shit. Really, Stefan. REALLY?!

Yes, yes, YES! I kept spamming the episode discussion post over at D/E’s LJ with almost the exact same words. Lol He was such an insufferable narcissistic dick, making everything about himself, projecting his issues on Elena, upsetting her and quilting her now of all times, as if she doesn’t have enough to deal with already. Way to go, jerk. And since when is lying considered unacceptable in their relationship? It worked so well for them for more than a year, why stop now!

Note how he looked at Damon and Elena very deliberately when he mentioned his Uncle Zach (who Damon killed) and his friend, Lexi (who Damon killed)

I caught that, and it pissed me off. Stefan and his sweet, pure gestures completely devoid of any hidden agenda, how can you not love him?

he was a complete douchebag to Damon -- his brother had JUST been shot by multiple bullets after trying to take out the guy that was trying to take all of them out -- and he chose that moment when his brother is literally down to punch him in the face? Stefan, you are an asshole!

Uh huh. And while Damon might have enjoyed the whole Elena feeding on him thing (yeah, right, might lol), the intent was still very clear – he was trying to keep her “alive-ish”. The same girl Stefan left to drown and then stuffed with animal blood, cause he is too terrified to deal with human blood himself.

She went to Damon for help, more than just once, for a reason. If the girl stopped to think about it for a second, she might actually realize that Damon always ends up being the one she leans on in the moments when her world is falling apart.

THIS IS A VAMPIRIC SIMULATION OF SEX, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, A BLOWJOB. ENJOY.

Oh Gosh, the blood-sharing. No words. Suffice to say, I didn’t need any neon letters to figure it out :D Insane chemistry, just insane.

Some people are saying that she didn’t know the meaning behind the blood-sharing, and Damon essentially took advantage of this. Complete and utter bullshit, if you ask me. She knew. Damon specifically told her to keep it a secret from Stefan, which probably made all kinds of alarm bells go off in her head, yet she did it anyway. And it was glorious. lol

OH MY! That final scene. Oh my, oh my, oh my! My heart! I LOVED that final scene.

I got a little teary eyed there which just doesn’t happen to me. Heartbreakingly beautiful, and good TV right there.

"Accidentally" letting it slip that Elena had fed from him. Tsk, tsk, Damon.

I cheered. Idec. Haha.

Throughout this whole episode, Damon was even more awesome than usual. I don’t know how that’s possible, but he was.

I'm not counting out the possibility that Elena winds up having sex as a vampire for the first time with Matt.

Ouch, no. Just… no. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; there is pretty much no way for Elena and Matt to ever become more than just friends again, without it ruining her character irreparably. Three is a triangle, four is just a bacchanalia. (Except maybe a “10 years later” conclusion to the series, where Elena is human, married to Matt and a mother of 15 little bartending quarterbacks to be, and Stefan and Damon are just a distant memory. I’d hate this ending, ngl.)

A very good episode, this. Looking forward to the next one, which is definitely a welcome change :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena04arabian on October 27th, 2012 06:33 am (UTC)
Late reply is late.

Late response is even later. :(

I have to say I’m much happier with this episode, as compared to the premiere, which in turn makes me happy all over again

I really think that if you go back and watch the premiere (after this and episode 03), you might be happier with it, maybe even see what I saw.

I adored every second Damon was on my screen.

How does he continue to be SO awesome!?!??! I don't know, but he so does.

This episode was a much appreciated step in the right direction.

Again, I really think the first episode began the journey. It really did. What we got in episode 01 led to this episode and that led to the beauty of episode 03 and what we're getting 04 sure looks like it's following along nicely too. :)

Well, except for Stefan. Seriously, I don’t want to hate the dude, and I never really have; why do you make me loathe him now, show? Yes, it is obviously intentional, but I seriously find it disturbing just how much I’m starting to detest the guy. Good job, writers, I guess.

Aww, I'm sorry. I love Stefan, even asshole Stefan. As long as I get why he's being an asshole, I'm cool.

Yes, yes, YES! [...] He was such an insufferable narcissistic dick, making everything about himself, projecting his issues on Elena, upsetting her and quilting her now of all times, as if she doesn’t have enough to deal with already. Way to go, jerk. And since when is lying considered unacceptable in their relationship? It worked so well for them for more than a year, why stop now!

Just WORD!

RE: "Note how he looked at Damon and Elena very deliberately" -- I caught that, and it pissed me off. Stefan and his sweet, pure gestures completely devoid of any hidden agenda, how can you not love him?

So glad I am not the only one who caught that. It's just, sigh, so Stefan-y.

She went to Damon for help, more than just once, for a reason. If the girl stopped to think about it for a second, she might actually realize that Damon always ends up being the one she leans on in the moments when her world is falling apart.

Yup, yup, yup. But you know Elena, Queen of the Nile! But hey, flashforward an episode later and she's already made a huge leap!

Oh Gosh, the blood-sharing. No words. Suffice to say, I didn’t need any neon letters to figure it out :D Insane chemistry, just insane.

I KNOW! :D :D :D

Some people are saying that she didn’t know the meaning behind the blood-sharing, and Damon essentially took advantage of this. Complete and utter bullshit, if you ask me. She knew. Damon specifically told her to keep it a secret from Stefan, which probably made all kinds of alarm bells go off in her head, yet she did it anyway. And it was glorious. lol

I KNOW, RIGHT?! They may have based that off on Julie's (lying) interview where she pretty much said as much, but dude, we watched the show. Damon told her "don't tell Stefan. It's (long, weighted, obvious pause) personal." SHE KNEW!

I got a little teary eyed there which just doesn’t happen to me. Heartbreakingly beautiful, and good TV right there.

Ditto. The closest to my actual tears during the Bonnie-finds-Grams-dead scene in 1.14 ("ELENA?! ELENA!?! I can fix this. I can fix this!")

RE: Matt/Elena possible sex: Ouch, no. Just… no. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; there is pretty much no way for Elena and Matt to ever become more than just friends again, without it ruining her character irreparably.

I agree, and I have to say that after the end of episode 03, this fear is much, much, MUCH dimmed.

A very good episode, this. Looking forward to the next one, which is definitely a welcome change :)

YAY!! And the third episode may be well on the way to getting you back into fangirl-status, and if 04 is even remotely as awesome as it appears it could be, that may cement it!
eolivet on October 25th, 2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
Oh, now I remember why I downgraded this epsiode: I cannot STAND Connor Jordan. I cannot remember so unappealing a character ever on TVD. The actor is dull, lifeless -- I mean he had a line about ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP that could've *sung* had he not mumbled it. I know it's only one episode, but I just don't LIKE the guy. And not to make me sound like a crazy racist, but I have enjoyed African-American male characters on the show! I liked Luka the witch and his dad -- there was just more of a spark. This guy...UGH!!! Rubs me entirely the wrong way. TVD is a crackling show, it needs actors that can handle its fast pace and its witty, rapid-fire dialogue (face it, it's almost the teenage West Wing at times) and this guy...UGH. NO, NO, NO. DNW.

April is OK -- not great, not horrible. She had some nice moments with Elena. I particularly enjoyed her line about "People deserve to have nice things said about them at their own funeral," just...awww. :( I think she'll fit in nicely. Though I hope she's not for Jeremy, because...no spark, man. She's so...inoffensive. You might convert me to Jeremy/Bonnie yet if April is the alternative. ;p

No, this episode featured all of their issues laid out in plain view: The living in their bubble of delusion (and like in 3.20, Elena tried to stick reality into it, but Stefan shot down that attempt), lying and omitting information, Elena's very real and there feelings for Damon, and Stefan's startling inability to face reality.

The only bad part about that was Stefan found out AND confronted Elena. I was just :facepalm:ing the entire time -- noooooo!!! Denial is your key -- denial!!! Stefan finds out, but DOESN'T confront Elena. Or Stefan doesn't find out and Elena doesn't tell him, so it becomes something between her and Damon alone. But now ARGH, S/E have DEALT WITH IT, bah!!!

I much preferred Stefan bringing in champagne earlier, completely trampling over Elena's feelings, completely misreading her emotions and just happy, happy, joy, joy full steam ahead. No wonder she turned to Damon, because Stefan doesn't freaking LISTEN!!! I suppose the real test will be when Elena has to tell Stefan something bad, will she?

I feel like J-Plec wanted us to see Stefan as insensitive and trodding over Elena's feelings, at least -- but nothing irreconcilable. Like I said, they're playing a long game, and I just wish I saw more signs (more like S2, actually -- before they broke up) that they really aren't dealing with their problems or even talking about them.

But Damon really is the best, even if Elena did give him a vampire blowjob (in a BATHROOM, with him STROKING HER HAIR AND MOANING, and the sounds of SUCKING?! Yeah... ;) I almost feel like Elena is creating a...fantasy reality with Damon now, though. She subs him in for Stefan when Stefan isn't doing the best job. Damon is who she goes to with her problems -- he's the fixer. He's the missing piece of her and Stefan's relationship -- the trustworthy part. The problem is (and I REALLY want to be wrong) I see J-Plec trying to transition Stefan into that role given the last scene and the fact that they did confront each other about her lies.

Now if she continues to lie or keep things from him and he keeps finding out, I'll DEFINITELY change my tune. But if she tries to be more open and honest with him about her transition problems...ugh, no, DNW.

I did enjoy the Damon/Alaric last scene -- awww, Damon!!! -- and I found the Japanese lanterns pretty trite in comparison. Stefan really does make everything about himself, but I think because he's a Good Person (tm), J-Plec thinks that's A-OK. Really didn't like him needling Damon about Zach and Lexi...he really IS a child. :/

Hoping for better things tonight -- but I know I for one missed the Originals. This ep had a lot of great plotting in terms of OMG! moments, but the acting wasn't stellar (Connor Jordan, I am looking at YOU and you too, April and Caroline, a little bit), IMO. Joseph Morgan and Claire Holt always bring it. Team Originals In Mystic Falls Forever, hee!!! :p
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on October 25th, 2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I wasn't impressed with the actor playing Connor, but I wasn't as unimpressed as you. :(

The only bad part about that was Stefan found out AND confronted Elena. I was just :facepalm:ing the entire time -- noooooo!!!

But he WAS still in denial. He was. Because he wasn't dealing with what was behind it. (Ie, Elena is in love with Damon, and all things that point towards that and away from him.) He was still in denial that Elena wasn't doing this right. Instead, he was blaming it on Damon. And he decided he could *fix* everything by the little Lantern display. He was also passive-aggressive and hypocritical. Again, we can NOT have Stefan and Elena still in denial and all in OTT twu-wuv-land be good for us at this point. Because if it is then THAT is the love story the show is selling. The only way S/E can actually END to get TO D/E is for Elena (who I expect to get there before Stefan) to realize that they. do. not. work. That is what we are seeing. If we saw denying everything, living in their bubble it would be no different from s02 and would show that Elena has NOT grown at all. That Stefan has NOT grown at all. And they both have, especially Elena. But here's key: They didn't grow TOGETHER, but apart.

Denial is your key -- denial!!! Stefan finds out, but DOESN'T confront Elena. Or Stefan doesn't find out and Elena doesn't tell him, so it becomes something between her and Damon alone. But now ARGH, S/E have DEALT WITH IT, bah!!!

When did they deal with it? Stefan blamed it ALL ON DAMON. Damon knows what he did, you don't. Uh, yeah, she did. Damon told her. But she didn't tell Stefan that. She also didn't rush to tell Stefan that it's only him. She didn't talk about Damon with Stefan. She didn't talk about her feelings. And Stefan didn't either. He blamed it all on Damon. It's still denial; it's still not dealing with... it's just a different form of denial and not dealing. And one that HIGHLIGHTS how well they DO NOT WORK. This was a really, really, really, REALLY good scene for us. Because, again, it shows that even when they "deal" with stuff, they aren't honest with one another.

I feel like J-Plec wanted us to see Stefan as insensitive and trodding over Elena's feelings, at least -- but nothing irreconcilable. Like I said, they're playing a long game, and I just wish I saw more signs (more like S2, actually -- before they broke up) that they really aren't dealing with their problems or even talking about them.

But they're not dealing with their problems. They glossed over it. Period. Nothing in this episode showed them dealing with their problems. Sure, Stefan was pissed, but he brought it up in the most unhealthy way as possible. And Elena, instead of dealing with it, redirected the conversation. And think of that final shot of them. Standing so far apart. Not looking at each other. No hands reaching out. They were just as bad, if not worse off at the end of the episode as they were in the beginning. I can't stress enough how horrible it would be if we were getting S02 Stefan/Elena because that would be it. That would be the long game. The long game iS DAMON/ELENA. THAT is the story they are telling. Remember JP said that Damon's journey is one of romantic love, Stefan's is one of self-love. That pretty much lays it out, period.

(no subject) - arabian on October 25th, 2012 10:16 pm (UTC) (Expand)