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16 May 2012 @ 06:56 pm
Ooh, looking forward to 'Elementary'  
It stars two actors I love (Jonny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu). I like the concept, and as one who's not all in love with Moffat's Sherlock, I don't find this even remotely sacrilegious. And frankly, based on this preview alone, it's a VERY different kind of Holmes. Finally, judging from this preview, it sure looks like Miller and Liu have great chemistry.

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Diana: Anything Interesting Going On? -- Anniebutterfly on May 16th, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
Ooo, I was going to give this a chance based on Lucy Liu alone, but this preview has made me very intrigued by the other elements of the show as well.
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on May 17th, 2012 11:32 am (UTC)
Her and Jonny Lee Miller for me, and now seeing how it's going to play out, yeah, looks VERY interesting.
hiddeneloisehiddeneloise on May 17th, 2012 12:03 am (UTC)
Wait, someone finds this sacrilegious?! Hahahaha! As if Moffat's Sherlock wasn't, itself, a very "loose" adaptation. The mind boggles at some proprietorial moods of fandoms. :)

I am looking forward to this, too. I like both of them, as well, and I like the premise, and I am always of the "the more the merrier" mindset. If this is well-written, I am there.
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on May 17th, 2012 11:32 am (UTC)
The Sherlock fandom (BBC) already hates it, and just thinks it's terrible, awful, dreadful, etc. As I said below, to feel proprietory is, frankly, whack, LOL! since Sherlock has been around for almost a century with many, many, many different takes on it.

I am looking forward to this, too. I like both of them, as well, and I like the premise, and I am always of the "the more the merrier" mindset. If this is well-written, I am there.

So much this. :)
Kelly: Sophia lightlavendergaia on May 17th, 2012 12:57 am (UTC)
Other than Partners (which has Sophia Bush, so it's an automatic win), this is the CBS show that I think has the most promise.

Though, in my schadenfreude place, the freaking out by I guess the purists of the Sherlock fandom is hilarious.
Arabian: Allison Janneyarabian on May 17th, 2012 11:31 am (UTC)
No comment on Partners, LOL! But yeah, this one really does look good, I think.

Though, in my schadenfreude place, the freaking out by I guess the purists of the Sherlock fandom is hilarious.

So hilarious, and come on, now, to feel proprietory is, frankly, whack, LOL! since Sherlock has been around for almost a century with many, many, many different takes on it.
Vickie: Steel Magnolias-Ousier Bad Moodsarcasticcheese on May 17th, 2012 01:07 am (UTC)
Ooh this looks promising!
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on May 17th, 2012 11:30 am (UTC)
Yeah, I really like what I see so far! :)
irlandesakirlandesak on May 17th, 2012 01:59 am (UTC)
I had some Twitter friends going on and on about America copying everything in regards to this show. Sorry, you can't copy something that has adaptations done of it for years and is firmly in the public domain. Besides, America already did a modern day Sherlock. It was called House.

Although, I will say that with the music in the trailer, it certainly feels like they're copying the tone of Moffat's adaptation. The only thing missing is the writing over the screen. Still, I think the actual development of the show will be different. I'm thrilled AQ is in it. I love him. And I'm also glad that JLM is keeing his accent. I really thought they'd have him do an American accent.

The biggest negative for me is that it'll be opposite Scandal on Thursdays and I've unexpectedly become addicted to that show.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on May 17th, 2012 11:29 am (UTC)
I had some Twitter friends going on and on about America copying everything in regards to this show. Sorry, you can't copy something that has adaptations done of it for years and is firmly in the public domain.

Exactly. As I said below -- to feel proprietory is, frankly, whack, LOL! since Sherlock has been around for almost a century with many, many, many different takes on it.

Although, I will say that with the music in the trailer, it certainly feels like they're copying the tone of Moffat's adaptation.

I didn't get that, but I've only watched the BBC version once, and eh, it was alright, but you know my Moffat issues.

So happy we're getting JLM's accent! And, yeah, Aidan Quinn is awesome. Great cast.
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on May 18th, 2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
The biggest negative for me is that it'll be opposite Scandal on Thursdays and I've unexpectedly become addicted to that show.

Thanks to you, I decided to give Scandal a try. Fifteen minutes into the first episode, I'm loving it. Kerry Washington is awesome. I wanted to watch it for her, but the preview looked stupid and I have Shonda-issues. But yeah, fifteen minutes and I'm LOVING it.
irlandesakirlandesak on May 19th, 2012 04:05 am (UTC)
Oh I have Shonda issues too. In fact, I didn't watch the first show even though it had Kerry, Tony Goldwyn (whose random guest spots on other shows I've always enjoyed) and Josh Malina because it was Shonda. Then I heard such buzz about the show and took the opportunity to watch the premiere's rerun on a Monday. It also helped that I was looking for something to distract me when Smash was on (you know my issues with that show, lol). By that final White House scene, I knew I was in.

The show definitely has its flaws and I don't trust Shonda not to ruin it eventually but it was pretty good soap. I think the fact that it was only seven episodes helped it.
Arabian: TVarabian on May 20th, 2012 11:34 am (UTC)
It does have flaws, but because I'm not thinking about it and just watched 'em all in a row, I didn't have time to find them and pick it apart, so I just enjoyed it. We'll see what happens next season with a full season.
Cindy: John restingcorpsebride05 on May 17th, 2012 08:14 am (UTC)

Sherlock would never say I hate it when I'm right. I don't think Sherlock BBC has anything to worry about. This show is so different I don't think it even belongs in the Sherlock category. The makers of this show seem to be disrespectful to the Sherlock fandom, the Sherlock BBC and Guy Richie films, and all the other versions, and the original stories themselves. I would rather they not tarnish the Sherlock brand.

This is too different to be Sherlock. They should call it something else. The Sherlock fandom hates it already. The only good thing I see here is the brilliant Johnny Lee Miller. I love his Sherlock already. I shall watch the series only for him. I don't think the writing will be half as good as the BBC version. It would have been a lot more interesting if it was a complete gender switch. Somebody should do a version like that.
Arabian: TVarabian on May 17th, 2012 11:28 am (UTC)
This show certainly falls into the Sherlock category. From what we can see this Sherlock is different from BBC'’s Sherlock which is different from Guy Ritchie’s Sherlock which is different from Young Sherlock Holmes which is different from Basil Rathbone’s Sherlock which is different from Sir Conan Doyle’s Sherlock. Essentially, all the Sherlock’s have one thing in common: They are geniuses who have mad observational skills who can piece together puzzles with the slightest of clues. That’s it. To say that this Sherlock is any more or less than any other denies all the variations of “Sherlock” through the decades.

The makers of this show seem to be disrespectful to the Sherlock fandom, the Sherlock BBC and Guy Richie films, and all the other versions, and the original stories themselves. I would rather they not tarnish the Sherlock brand.

They're disrespectul because they think the Sherlock brand is a fascinating one and I want to offer their take on it just as BBC and Guy Ritchie did? I don't get that AT ALL.

The Sherlock fandom hates it already.

And that is their loss if this is brilliant. To hate something that hasn't even aired is just plain silly. The BBC Sherlock fandom does not own a copyright on Sherlock and to feel proprietory is, frankly, whack, LOL! since Sherlock has been around for almost a century with many, many, many different takes on it.

Also, I can’t really see how one can judging the writing of a show based on a few second clips in a three-minute video. And, for me personally, I don’t think the writing of the BBC Sherlock is very good at all. Cumberbatch and Freeman are what make that show whatever level of excellence it is, in my opinion. Everything that I loathe about Moffat as a writer is strikingly on display in his Sherlock. Again, it’s the talent and charisma of the two leads – especially Cumberbatch – that makes Sherlock work at all for me.

Doing any gender reversal (as Watson, in his own, is as important as Sherlock) is pretty interesting, I think. I’m looking forward to this. I love Miller, and Liu, and I really, really like the little bit I’ve seen in this. It could wind up sucking, but based on this, I’m VERY interested.
Cindy: ♥ Sherlock head butt ♥corpsebride05 on May 18th, 2012 05:48 am (UTC)

Firstly, I don't feel proprietory. I don't own anything. I don't think the Sherlock BBC fandom feels proprietory either. That doesn't make sense. We adore the show and we don't want the Sherlock brand tarnished. The makers of this show approached BBC Sherlock wanting to remake it. Moffat said no (thank God in Heaven)! American remakes of British shows are usually garbage for example the American remake of Moffat's Coupling. It was so bad it actually hurt the brand. This is true!

So the Sherlock fandom sees Elementary as a rip off of Sherlock BBC. Moffat may still sue them. Tumblr is full of Elementary hate. They see it as a problem for the Sherlock BBC Team. I think the logic is the enemy of my friend is my enemy too. Their choosing sides. They have a point.

Moffat wants to protect his brand, understandably. Although obviously he doesn't own Sherlock, and his version isn't even the first modern take on Holmes. So what happens next is up in the air.

This show is more like Monk or House or any random crime show than Sherlock! All of the previous versions of Sherlock take place in London, Sherlock never thinks he's wrong, Watson isn't female, Watson is a war veteran and medical doctor not a therapist. Where is Mycroft and Mrs. Hudson? Sherlock's father has never been mentioned in any version of Sherlock that I've ever seen. And I'm sure there are a lot more details that make this show less like Sherlock and more like other detective crime shows. You can't just call your character Sherlock Holmes and automatically it belongs in the Sherlock category. I think the makers of this show are very lazy if they think that's all they have to do. I think their trying to cash in on the success of Sherlock BBC. I think their doing whatever the hell they want and they don't care what anybody else thinks. They should care what the Sherlock fandom thinks.

Sherlock Holmes means a lot to some people. And they don't like to see their favorite characters cheapened on an American rip off show. If your going to use the Sherlock name you should use some respect, and your version shouldn't differ too much from the original cannon. Why call it Sherlock if it's nothing like Sherlock? Their just trying to cash in and they don't care if they tarnish the Sherlock brand.

There's nothing wrong about their being Sherlock fans and wanting to do their own spin on the stories and characters, however, they have gone about it the wrong way. I hate what they've done so far. I think the more Sherlock versions the better but not like this. Not without respect. Not just to cash it and disregard the feelings of the Sherlock community.

I still don't understand your Moffat hate. He just won a Bafta for writing Sherlock. So people like his writing.

I think Sherlock BBC is perfect in every way. And I think Johnny Lee Miller is too good for Elementary. Without him the show wouldn't have a chance. I look forward to seeing his Sherlock. I hope his career will take off like Benedict's did.

Olgadreamingahead on May 17th, 2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
Glad to see another person who doesn't think that Sherlock is the best thing to have happened to TV in years, lol. Never got into it, but am definitely curious about checking this version. Kind of worried about all the negativity raining down on this show in the event that I like it, though, SIGH.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on May 20th, 2012 11:35 am (UTC)
Moffat is just UGH! I tried, and it's better that the massacre that Moffat has made of Doctor Who, but it has its issues.

Kind of worried about all the negativity raining down on this show in the event that I like it, though, SIGH.

Oh, that's just going to be the psychotic Sherlock fans on the internet, LOL!
S.: starter for tenartic_fox on May 17th, 2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
Looks interesting!
Arabian: Feelings Journalarabian on May 20th, 2012 11:35 am (UTC)
It really does!
faith5by5_1013faith5by5_1013 on May 19th, 2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
As much as I hate Moffat, I do enjoy BBC's Sherlock, for the most part (there are some things that make me rage at Moffat being, well, Moffat).

Admittedly, I'm not a big Sherlock Holmes fan in general, so that may be why I'm not really bothered by this adaptation. I don't know the original stories, so I won't know what's been changed and what hasn't. Honestly, Elementary looks interesting and I'm planning on at least checking it out.
Arabian: Quinn01arabian on May 20th, 2012 11:38 am (UTC)
I think that Sherlock works despite Moffat for two reasons: 1) the actors REALLY shine, 2) actORS as in not actRESSES -- because of the style of show it is, Moffat has less of a chance to let his misogyny shine.

I like Holmes -- the stories are REALLY good. Frankly, anyone who is "bothered" by this adaptation is being ridiculous. As I mentioned above, this Sherlock is different from BBC'’s Sherlock which is different from Guy Ritchie’s Sherlock which is different from Young Sherlock Holmes which is different from Basil Rathbone’s Sherlock which is different from Sir Conan Doyle’s Sherlock. Essentially, all the Sherlock’s have one thing in common: They are geniuses who have mad observational skills who can piece together puzzles with the slightest of clues. That’s it. To say that this Sherlock is any more or less than any other denies all the variations of “Sherlock” through the decades.

Bottom-line, it's like what you said, it looks interesting!
rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on May 19th, 2012 07:36 pm (UTC)
Oooh, this looks interesting. I hadn't even heard about it until I saw your post, but this preview looks promising. I'll definitely be checking it out.
Arabian: Katherine06arabian on May 20th, 2012 11:39 am (UTC)
I heard bitching about it from Sherlock fans on my flist. And I love both Miller and Liu, so I knew I'd be there. It's an unexpected delight that it looks so interesting.
rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on May 20th, 2012 04:36 pm (UTC)
I'm not crazy familiar with Miller, although I do recognize him from stuff, but I adore Liu, so I'm looking forward to seeing her back on my television screen. Plus, a female Watson? Sign me up.
Arabian: Katherine01arabian on May 20th, 2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
He's Angelina Jolie's first husband, and in US shows was on Eli Stone (he played Eli), and was in the second to last season of Dexter.

Yeah, Liu is AWESOME!
rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on May 20th, 2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
I ADORE her. She's so talented. I especially loved her in Lucky Number Slevin, which is just an awesome movie all around. But, oh, I remember the days of Ally McBeal and seeing her badass self on my TV every week. And now she'll be back!
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on May 20th, 2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
Ah, I never watched that. I'll have to check it out. :) Yeah, I first saw her in AM, and loved her. Hopefully Elementary works out for her. I love the little bit we've seen so far.
Jude: doctor who; tenth doctor ftw!danceonstardust on May 24th, 2012 12:59 am (UTC)
I can't wait to see this either!

I sent to my sister a while back on twitter and we had a funny conversation about she only likes the shirtless scenes. Hehe.

Although we have a disagreement on Lucy Liu being in the show. I'm pro, she's con. We both can't wait to see this and I have a feeling my mom well be interested because she loves all things Sherlock Holmes.

More:
Just shown my mom the trailer and her reaction: "Is that Aiden Quinn?"
Me: "Yeah?"
Mom: "Forget it, I'm seeing it." Hehe!

Edited at 2012-05-24 01:02 am (UTC)