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21 April 2012 @ 12:00 am
3.19 - 'Heart of Darkness' (The Vampire Diaries)  
WHEE!! New episode of The Vampire Diaries. Yayers!!! Okay, folks, this is another massively long one. Just warning ya!

While the heart of darkness of the title clearly referred to both Alaric and Stefan's darkest demons, there were a lot of hearts on display in tonight's episode, each spending moments in the shadows of despair and confusion. Fortunately for them (and us), some of those hearts also spent some time coming to the surface and basking in the light. But let's stick with those who did not first. Namely, Stefan and Elena and where they are right now in the heart department. I know that the preview for the next episode points to a resurgence between the two, but unless the writing staff has randomly decided to completely switch gears with no rhyme or reason, I don't expect happy tidings for the pair or a renewal of their relationship. The final scene of "The Murder of One" with the pair, and what happened in this episode make that perfectly clear. Going back to the last episode, I had given Stefan the benefit of the doubt and applauded the fact that he *finally* appeared to take a few steps out of the land of denial in acknowledging that Elena is in love with Damon. After what we got from him tonight in relation to Elena, I don't think such was the case.

Now I believe that Stefan was being manipulative with Elena in the way that Stefan is that I don't think is intentional, and that I don't believe he even realizes he is being. He has an objective, and uses emotional leverage to get an end result that works for him. (See a brilliant post by Laurne3210 to get a fully-annotated and detailed essay on Stefan's skill at emotional manipulation … which I do see as unintentional for the most part, even if I do very much see it.) And that's exactly what he did in that scene and in the unseen suggestion to Elena to go with Damon to Denver. He said that she was in love with Damon, told her how much he loved her … and then he asked her to look him in the eye and tell him that she wasn't. If he was so sure, he wouldn't have put her in that position. He wasn't testing her, so much as pushing her to realize that it's Stefan she loves, and not Damon. His explanation for why she cared for Damon even gave her an excuse for feeling anything – he was a replacement for Stefan when he was gone and was such a bad, bad boy.

But, she didn't answer and in that moment, he looked confused because he hadn't been expecting that. Then when she said she didn't know what she felt, he closed his eyes, re-assessing. At least that's how I'm reading that scene now. Because his pushing her to go with Damon is the result of his re-assessment. Just as Elena obviously expected Damon to continue to be the jerk he has wholeheartedly been since "All My Children," thus making it easy to "know" her feelings, Stefan likely believed it just as much. I have no doubt that he figured that Damon would screw up -- as he always does -- and Elena's inability to deny feeling for him would dissipate. He was cool and calm about it when talking to Ric, and it wasn't until Damon mentioned them staying at a motel did we see any worry from him on the Damon/Elena front.

If he TRULY believed that Elena was in love with Damon and had legitimate feelings for him, he never would have pushed her to road-trip with Damon. We know this because of his almost-casual, and oh-so-understanding attitude about it -- to Ric, to Elena when she left. And that's the key there. Stefan isn't casual or understanding at *all* about Elena and Damon. Time and time and time again, any sign that hinted that she cared for Damon more than Stefan thought she should, out came the jealousy and emotional manipulation and desire to prove that Damon was all bad and wrong for her. The fact that none of that was in display wasn't proof that Stefan was accepting that those feelings were reciprocal between Damon and Elena. No, that the green monster hadn't come out to play made it clear that he didn't believe that things were reciprocal, and this road-trip was supposed to prove that. So hearing that they'd been gone that long, weren't at odds yet and we're in the clichéd on-the-road motel stop suddenly had that jealous-Stefan rearing its head.

Uh huh. So, I am very, very curious to see how next week plays out. After their, erm, discussion, do Damon and Elena go back to the wary, uncomfortable interaction that they've shared since the events of the Mikaelson ball? Interaction that Stefan doesn't understand is just a part of their push-pull dynamic, and only sees as them not getting along. And if so, will that, along with he and Elena at the 20's dance, lead him to believe that his supposition was correct … that Elena doesn't actually have feelings for Damon, and the road-trip accomplished what he expected it to? I don't know. We'll see.

Now onto our title hearts at play. Stefan and Alaric both gave into their darkest demons. It was good seeing that (a) Stefan is still struggling with his blood lust, but (b) that he appears to be getting a somewhat better handle on it even when it's right there in his face in a heightened moment. It was also interesting seeing Stefan play at being the one in charge because that's exactly what it felt like. He was playing at being in charge while big brother was gone. There was just the slightest cheer to quite a few of his words and actions that came off as someone who generally doesn't get to lead the troops, under the mien of responsibility and dominance, is reveling in that authority. It's one of those things that I love about Stefan, the writing and Paul Wesley's acting choices -- if intentional -- because it shows that Stefan is in many ways a 17-year old kid. And I much prefer getting those moments when it's not wrapped up in his twu wuv forever nonsense with Elena that gets, oh, say, Jenna killed!

The only thing that bothered me about Stefan was, I hope, intentional, and that would be Stefan's contention that everything he's doing to be "good Stefan" again is to get back with Elena. I found that sad. It should be about him, not Elena. He was willing to be "better" in 1864 for Damon's sake to keep him by his side. Then he got "better" before for Lexi time and time again, not for himself. If he is doing all of this to get Elena back, then he's doomed to failure if Elena doesn't get back together with him, or if she does and then stays human and grows too old for him. Because then she's gone, and his reason for being better is gone, so what is there to stop him from going back to his ripper ways? Nothing. He has to do this for himself.

One of the things I love most about Damon is how everything he does, he owns up to as who he is -- both good and bad -- at least to himself. He isn't his best or his worst FOR anyone … not Stefan, not Elena, not Alaric. Yes, Elena has helped him to want to be better, but he's not being better for her, he's better because she's helping him to see that it's a possibility for him, something that he never accepted before. Stefan needs to realize that he can be better on his own, for himself, but in order to do that, he needs to own up to who and what he is, and not separate himself into good and bad Stefan. (Something that Damon, for all of his assistance to Stefan this go-round, encourages with his belief in the good/bad brother dichotomy – which is bullpoppy.) Oh, Stefan. You'll get there, bb, you will. You just need to let go of your insistence on becoming a better you for someone else. This is when you get to be gloriously, completely selfish because this? This is all about you, boo!

As for Alaric, there were some really nice moments in here for him. For the first time in ages, it felt like the real Alaric who genuinely cares for and appreciates Damon was showing up despite evil!Alaric's hatred of all things vampire. I especially loved the fact that Alaric thought Stefan was taking over Ric-strong-arming-duty because he believed that Damon wouldn't be able to really hurt him. That seriously made me awwww! for my much-missed true Damon/Alaric bromance. Also, his lack of judgment over Elena taking off with Damon, and seeing the humor in Damon's novel choice (Jekyll and Hyde , hee! Oh, Damon, never change, bb!) were also some nice indicators that the love is still there. Plus, there was the awesomeness of his willingess to have the ever-loving crap beat out of him by a vampire -- who wasn't his BFF -- if it meant saving his BFF (okay, fine and Caroline and Stefan as well). The discussion that Stefan and Alaric had about their darker demons was also beautifully written with some fantastic, if not-so-happy insight into Alaric especially. Then, of course, Evilaric came out to play and he was so cold and chilling, using the knowledge that Alaric has about Stefan to just drive painful points home. Really well done.

Alas, I couldn't fully enjoy the Stefan/Alaric scenes as much as intended for the simple fact that this episode yet again reinforced that Wesley and Davis have ZERO chemistry. They've had three (I believe) episodes where we've seen them spend significant screen time together and that back and forth zip and zing that is present with Wesley and Ian Somerhalder, and very much so with Davis and Somerhalder, is just missing with these two. I mean, don't get me wrong, they weren't bad scenes at all, nor do the two actors have anti-chemistry, they just don't … shine whereas so many other match-ups in this cast do.

For instance … Wesley and Joseph Morgan. Ah, Stefan and Klaus. Is it wrong that a part of me still wants Stefan to go all rippery and just be buds with Klaus again? Yeah, I know it is, but Klaus is so adorable in his bromantic love for Stefan. He really, really wants his little buddy back. When Stefan was all condescending and whatever, dude-ing to Klaus, I felt for the sociopathic sicko. Poor Klausy! He just looked so hurt, and when his face fell, I think he realized that he may just never get his little buddy back. Because Stefan was staying true to what he told Elena in that he's done wasting time and energy on hating Klaus. Klaus must know that the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. And Stefan just gave him a big ole slap in the face of that reality. Which is a bad thing for the Salvatore brothers as I really think the only thing keeping them alive is Klaus' love for Stefan. As in, he won't kill Stefan as long as he thinks their friendship can be resurrected, and he won't kill Damon because he's pretty sure that if he wants any hope of that friendship being resurrected, killing Stefan's brother will make that an impossibility. Hopefully, Klaus loves delusion in his own way as much as Stefan does, and will cling to the belief that the bromance will flourish once more someday. After all, they technically have eternity to patch things up.

So, I liked the Stefan/Klaus interaction way more than the Stefan/Alaric interaction (even if I prefer the latter two characters individually overall) because of that lovely little thing called chemistry. But, ooh, one bit between the two had me going WTF?!!? Because, seriously, dude, Stefan?!?! Did he take a stupid pill that morning? Why on God's green earth would he just casually tell Klaus about the Original line!?!? Why?! Why?!?! Damn, Stefan, way to be a complete idiot! I love you, boo, but man! Did that whole being in charge thing go to his head? Probably. And this is Stefan, he never thinks things through. Totally in character. Ooh, he's so lucky that Damon was off making out with his ex on the corner of nowhere and somewhere, so by the time he's back in Mystic Falls he'll be over Stefan's stupidity and won't retaliate by giving him a quick, non-lethal staking to the gut.

Hmm, the corner of nowhere and somewhere. Yes, indeed and after what happened in that motel, isn't that exactly where Elena and Damon are now? The middle of nowhere and somewhere, with a definite directional lean towards somewhere. Uh huh. I love this show. Now, about what happened, let's take a few steps back and start at the beginning. I loved what we got from that Alaric/Elena conversation because it really did make sense in light of all that has transpired over the course of the second half of the season. Just as Damon built these walls around himself to keep Elena at bay by making it easier to hate him … because he loves her and believes it's what she wants, Elena has done the same. Damon's sexytiems activity after the ball hurt her. Fair, justified or not, the simple fact of the matter is that they did. She was hurt by his actions. And his attitude and the treatment of her since then has just added to her hurt. She feels rejected and betrayed and pushed away by him, having no idea what is going on with him. Yes, she said a cruel thing to him at the ball, but she tried to retract it right away and she's forgiven him for so many horrible things, to think that he couldn't forgive her for one thoughtless, albeit mean comment, is something that's been really hard for her. She's alone, and she's needed him recently and instead of being there, he just dropped her, walked away and has gone back to being a snarky, I-don't-care ass.

Making matters very much worse is that this came after months of him being so completely, 100% there for her. He was her rock, her comfort, her support and then boom! like that, it was gone. So she built her own walls against him because she was hurt so deeply; because he hurts her every time she speaks to him now, so she's trying to stop that hurting. It makes perfect sense that she would have decided that she was done with Damon and this *thing* between them. And then Stefan had to go bring it up and throw it in her face, and her inability to even deny it -- and we all know how good she is at denying -- was her wake-up call, that yeah, this *thing* is still there. It ain't going away; it must be dealt with. And now she has Stefan's go-ahead to deal with it, so no attached guilt in the trying.

And like Stefan believed that the road trip would torpedo her "feelings" for Damon, so did she. We saw that in the continued eye-rolls and lack of ease between the two, which Damon, of course, aided and abetted by playing the uber-I'm-an-ass game to such a tee. Things were going on exactly as Elena expected and then came the calling forth of Rose. With the knowledge of what he had done for Rose on her deathbed coming to light, Elena was smacked in the face with the reminder that Damon is so much more than the snarky jerk who lives to annoy the hell out of her, and have sex with random chicks and play the bad-ass vampire role to the hilt. She saw in that admission about the paradise he created for Rose the Damon that had been there for her so completely prior to the ball. The Damon that had made it so very easy to fall in love with him.

And it was that which crumpled the walls that Elena had built against him. She could hold out for only so long after being reminded of that Damon, and instead of returning to snarky form, Damon was *that* Damon again with her because she'd made one small move that crumpled *his* walls. After being caught staring at him, and so badly faking sleep in response, a quick smile curved his lips. Because her response was exactly what he expected from her. Then she opened her eyes and faced him head-on, and with a tilt of her head, and a softness in her eyes -- a look that she hadn't sent his way since their porch conversation in "Our Town" -- she invited him to her side. And down went his walls. It was such a small gesture, but that movement, that look, essentially put them right back to where they were on that porch.

All of the distance, hurt and anger was dissipated in the moment as he lay next to her, as she turned to him, as they spoke, openly, honestly. Too honestly for the moment for her, but it didn't take away from the physical, aching tension that they'd both deliberately shoved deep, deep down after he acknowledged that they weren't "right now." I don't think she turned from him then because she was upset that he wasn't meeting her half-way, but rather that he wasn't telling her what she wanted just because she wanted it. Even before he said the words to her later, he was telling her now that he wasn't going to make it easy for her just because he loved her. If she wants him, she takes him as who he is, not someone she's created out of her own expectations. He doesn't want to have to live up (or down) to anyone's expectations to be loved. He just wants to be loved for who he is.

Damon loves her, but he's not going to be someone else for her. He'll be better, but it's because he has at last realized that he has that capacity. It's because of her belief that he has that capacity that he's a better person, not because he's molding himself into her expectation of a person for her. (By the way, that would be the exact (wrong) thing that Stefan is doing.) But Damon won't go down that road. He's told her that in many subtle ways, and outright stated it after he snapped Ric's neck and bit into Caroline's dead. He is who he is -- the good and the bad -- and she needs to accept him for that, not for who she's decided he *should* be.

And so she looked away, denying reality because that's what she does. It's easier to live in a pretend world where things are (not actually) exactly as you want them to be … never mind that it can get you, or your loved ones (oh, Jenna!) killed. Then her hand fell, accidentally brushing against his and the feelings (lusty, wanting, aching feelings) that had been spiraling in her as she watched him walk about bare-chested, unaware that he was being watched -- not cocky or strutting, just Damon in all of his beautiful, dripping with sex glory -- came flooding back. And she was done, gone, boom! out the door because, again, it was as if from the moment she invited him into her bed, all of that distance between them was gone. They were right back emotionally where they were after they'd first kissed, after they'd seen each other the first time after the kiss, before (good) Stefan re-entered the picture.

The distance was gone; Stefan wasn't with them either. It was just them, just the two of them being open and honest and feeling. Feeling so damn much. And she couldn't handle it, so she ran away … because that is what Elena does when it comes to Damon. Because he's so much, there's so much there that he makes her feel and she doesn't get it. She doesn't understand it. She's never felt anything like this and it's scary, scary, scary as hell. So she ran, but she didn't run far. She didn't lock herself away. Had she gone to the bathroom and shut the door, with Jeremy sleeping in the room, he wouldn't have followed. Instead she ran someplace where he could follow her, and she waited for him.

It wasn't a conscious choice to do so, but it's what she did. And that's what it's all about with them. It's never about making a choice. It's about the inevitability of what they feel for each other. If both could choose to not want, to not love the other, they would. But there is no choice. There just is. So Elena stopped and waited for inevitability to catch up. Sure, she made a token protest, "don't." One word, but she couldn't even face him when she said it, and she was breathing heavily, and her heart was racing and you could see the conflict, the fear, the desperation for this to *not* happen because once that step was taken, there would be no going back. So she said don't.

And he said why not? And in that moment, with her walls crumbled, and no Stefan around as a buffer, with nothing but this man that she so, so desperately FEELS for, she couldn't come up with a single reason why not. Even though she was searching, she was trying, she was shaking her head no at the notion that there was no reason, not then, not in that that moment. But, really, all she heard was the echo of his why not and so she gave in.

And it was glorious!

 
 

And it was perfect! I honestly can not believe just how perfect, how *right* it was. I had expected this kind of kiss when Damon and Elena first mutually kissed, and so when they kissed in "The New Deal," I was a bit confused. I loved it, but it wasn't what I expected. Because I expected emotions flying free, passion – so, so, so much passion! – and what we got on that porch was sweet and gentle, there was passion, yes, but it was reserved. In retrospect, it made perfect sense because it wasn't entirely mutual. Damon kissed her and while Elena did kiss him back, she was almost in shock, and both were holding back for entirely different reasons. And I realized that their first true, reciprocal kiss filled with that glorious, wild passion I so expected could only come with Elena making the first move, with Elena letting go. That would be all Damon needed to let go and throw any reserve to the wind. And that's exactly what happened here. Plus, that kiss on the porch (one filled with reserve and the hint of the passion between them) was necessary because Elena is a stubborn one and needed a nudge. That gentle kiss was the push that (took a long road) to get to this passionate kiss.

This kiss was perfect in every way. Elena turning to him, no, not just turning, but practically throwing herself at him. It taking place where there were no memories, no moments tied to any other relationship. It was just them there in the moment. And the motel lights flickering behind them played like starlight flickering in the night sky, and the wind that picked up around them was symbolic of the elemental emotion being unleashed between the two of them. It was finding beauty in reality. And it was real. Elena was NOT living in pretense; she was not completely lost to the passion that she could ever tell herself that she didn't know what she was doing, that her mind had stopped working. Because there was a moment, when Damon's head dipped between her breasts, where we saw her face, we saw her realize where they were, what they were doing, what he was doing and she pulled him up. But she didn't pull away; she pulled him up and back into her kiss.

Adding to all of that was the song choice. The lyrics (from Florence and the Machine's "Never Let Me Go") that played over the sexual tension leading to their kiss(es) were:

Looking up from underneath
Fractured moonlight on the sea
Reflections still look the same to me
As before I went under

And it's peaceful in the deep
Cathedral where you cannot breathe
No need to pray no need to speak
Now I am under all

And it's breaking over me
A thousand miles down to the sea bed
Found the place to rest my head
Never let me go
Never let me go

And the arms of the ocean are carrying me
And all this devotion was rushing out of me
In the crushes of heaven for a sinner like me
But the arms of the ocean delivered me
And the lines And the arms of the ocean are carrying me/And all this devotion was rushing out of me played over Elena's mad rush into his arms. A poster (yhtrownu) at SongMeanings.com said about this song that it "seems to be about SURRENDER. Not giving up (an act of despair) but giving in (an act of embrace and devotion). This is about the pleasure of being overwhelmed, something akin to masochistic delight. Ostensibly, the singer surrenders to the ocean, and lets it pull her to the bottom. All her concerns and prayers are as nothing anymore because the all-encompassing sea reduces her to nothing.But this is more metaphor,than reality, as the refrain "never let me go" suggests that life continues after the surrender, and the willing victim desires to be overwhelmed forever. It's like the moment of orgasm, where you barely exist as a thinking person, and want to stay there forever.It's the decision to surrender to a passion or desire, that others may question (branding you a sinner), but you don't care, and beg that desire to embrace you forever, to never let you go." That is exactly how I read the lyrics as well, and it applies perfectly to Elena and Damon overall, and very specifically in this moment.

And it was glorious!

 
 

And then it wasn't. Because this is Damon and Elena, and it can never be that easy. Because all of those issues they have, and because everyone in Elena's life couldn't understand her feelings for him, and because of Stefan, it is just not that easy. Yes, those walls came down, that distance dissipated as if they were right back where their last Gilbert porch conversation took place. But … there were walls. There was distance. And they were necessary to get them where they were in that final scene with them at Scary Mary's place because it was just as necessary that they go there. Had we not had the events and the consequences of said events in episodes 12 through 18, we wouldn't have gotten that scene. An honest, if painful, discussion between them where hard truths were lain at the other's feet, and where Damon finally, fully stood his ground with her. And he did so without leaving her in the dark (as he had after the ball), and without snark and attitude. Once Kol left and it was just the two of them, Damon was completely back in that ease of interaction between them that they had shared prior to "The Ties That Bind." And Elena was as well, because those walls had come crumbling down, and then she looked at him, and her eyes fell to his lips and she remembered and the reality of what she'd expected to face on this trip came crashing over her. And painful it may have been after the glory, this scene was as needed as was that passion unleashed.

Why? Because Elena was right. Damon *does* lash out, and he does sabotage whenever there's a bump in the road. And Damon was just as right. Elena expected him to screw up and that was her safety net, that was her out in not dealing with the reality of her feelings. If she could see his self-destructive, self-sabotaging ways on display on this trip to "explore her feelings" she could convince herself that whatever she felt didn't matter because Damon would always ruin it. And he called her on it, and asked her the one question that completely threw that theory out the window. What if he didn't resort to his self-destructive ways? What if he held it in check because being with her was that important that he would make that effort? Would she then admit to her feelings, and make the effort to accept him for who he is without expectations? Would she work with him to *be* with him? Hearing that from Damon, that truth, that willingness to compromise if she would is nothing that she expected.

Instead of Damon screwing up, it was Elena who did, by expecting not the best, but the worst of him. She needs to figure out what she feels for him without playing emotional games with him -- which is exactly what she was doing, even if it wasn't with that realized intent. And she needs to figure it out because I believe her 100% when she said she doesn't know, because she so, so, so does not. In my episode write-up for "The Murder of One," I said this in response to her "I don't know" to Stefan and it applies as much, if not more now, to Damon.

"Elena has her own expectation of what love is. She thought she loved Matt, but it was just puppy love, based on their many years as friends. She loves Stefan, but she believed it was the all-encompassing, forever and always, kind of love. Yet, in "The Last Day," she told Stefan that she didn't even know what love was. That line was so very telling to me. Yes, she backtracked immediately, but she said it. When she thought she would die, when she was being as honest as she'd ever been with Stefan, she told him -- the boy she claimed she would love always -- that she wasn't even sure that she knew what love was. And then we get to Damon. What she feels for him, how she feels it for him, and all of the bad and ugly mixed in with the good and sweet doesn't fit her definition of love as she's known it. So then what does she feel for him? She has no idea because it isn't what she felt for Matt, and it's not what she feels for Stefan, and she was so sure it was love with Matt ... until she wasn't and then she met Stefan. And she was so sure it was forever love with Stefan ... until these months with Damon and what's been happening under the surface all along building between them. So she does not know. She really, really doesn't know."

This is Elena. This is absolutely in character. She lives in denial. Everything around her continues to fall apart, she is all alone in so many ways, and if she can just hold on to the "truths" she knows without opening up a whole messy can of worms and most likely making her life a gazillion times harder, she's going to. Elena is well aware that once she opens that door with him, that's it. Can you imagine how honestly terrifying it would be to be on the receiving end of Damon's love? Right now, her non-admitted-recriprocation is all that has kept it at bay. But a Damon who gets that love in return, oh boy! It's going to be beyond any kind of intense she could ever imagine. It's TERRIFYING. Wonderful, crazy, awesome, beautiful ... but terrifying, because there is NO line that he won't cross to keep her safe. None. And he's wild, and impetuous, and crazy, and passionate and this is a girl who's never really experienced passion. She's scared out of her mind to get into something with him.

And here she went opening that door, and now the denial is gone. She's not denying the something between them, she's honestly telling himself she doesn't know what she feels. This isn't love as she's known it, so she's confused and she's full of fear, but she is no longer in denial. And it's on her. She knows the score with Damon; she's in no doubt of how he feels, what he wants, and what he's willing to do to be with her, and he knows that she knows exactly where he stands. So now it's all up to her to figure it out. She feels for Damon, but what exactly is it that she feels? That is her question. And so there will be distance between them again, but it's a good distance this time because it's honest and the self-reflection that will follow will be based on all of their cards laid out on the table.

Phew! Okay, some quick randoms about Damon and Elena before I move onto the next section ...

- I thought it was interesting how Damon phrased his (half-way) joking comment to Elena about Jeremy and baseball. "The next time WE compel him…" Hmm, I just thought that was a rather shared way of putting it. Even though he obviously did the compelling, he gave her as much ownership of the action. Teamwork for the win! (Even if it involves brainwashing baby brothers. Ahem.)

- They used a different take for Damon's "do you?" to Elena than what was in the preview. That one had this yearning, little-boy vulnerability to it. This one had a sizing her up and realizing she's still playing denial girl inflection. And I'm glad they did that because it worked better in the context of what had happened. Had the question come before the make-out session, the former would have been the right choice, but coming when it did, the latter was definitely the better choice.

- Kiss-related randoms … Hah, had Jeremy not walked out on them, who knows when they would have stopped? Or if they even would have! They were THAT into it. In fact, Damon was so into it that it wasn't until Elena said Jeremy's name that he seemed to even realize that he was there! Double hah!

- Seriously, folks, THAT'S your show's OTP's kinda kiss. Period. Damon/Elena are THE couple. They are endgame. No question.

What even further solidified that was Rose's statement to Jeremy about Damon and Elena versus Stefan and Elena. I know some have balked at her description of Stefan's love as pure, but I don't. I agree completely. Stefan's love for her is pure. Sure he's manipulated and white-washed stuff left and right, but all of that was in order to keep their love pure. He loves her with a simple, quiet purity that doesn't allow for gradations. Which is, in my opinion, the problem. I also agree that Stefan would be good for Elena (taking the whole pesky vampire aspect out of it) because prior to their break-up, Elena was doing good. Not great, but she was doing good. Their brand of pretense and delusion kept her from falling apart, and kept her trucking. There is an ease and safety with him that allows her to stay within her comfort zone, and that is good.

But even better? Is what Damon does for her. He does challenge her, he does make her question things, but what Rose didn't mention is that he also makes her laugh. And Damon helps her live in the moment as opposed to just dreading the future without pretense and delusion in the moment. And THAT is what makes Elena a better, stronger person. Which we have been seeing so clearly throughout this season of growth for Elena. I noted in my "The Ties That Bind" write-up, that "it was a good that Stefan noted how awesomely she took control, how she has changed, how she was stronger, and I couldn't help but think -- yeah, she's stronger without you holding her back and constantly trying to keep the pretense alive that you're "normal" teenagers. She's stronger because she has someone by her side who respects her, who accepts that she is awesome all the time, strong when she needs to be, able to give herself a break when she needs. Someone who sees her as the strong, young woman she so completely is. In case you were wondering, that someone is Damon."

And that is exactly what Rose meant about Damon being the best thing for her. How would he be the worst? I honestly think that would be based on only two things: (1) Elena refusing to acknowledge what they share which would lead to a life of regret, and (2) her friends/family never accepting the two of them together. But if Elena acknowledges their something and goes for it, the worst is out of their hands because together they are what's best for each other. The first half of this season very much blindingly showed us that he's the best thing for her and vice versa. So, yeah, endgame, baby! Because the others, if they love Elena -- and they do, will have to get on board eventually when they see how he is the best thing for her.

And maybe, just maybe, the first person of their group will be Jeremy! Honestly, no lie, I will WILL LOVE so hard if it is Jeremy who is the first to come around to accepting Damon/Elena. LOVE IT SO HARD. Partially because I do love me some Damon and Jeremy. Their little snarky comments to each other just made me grin. And on a non-snarky note, I just loved how after Jeremy asked if they wanted him to stay put so they could make out some more (hah! All the wins for you, Jere!) that once he acquiesced to Damon's request -- because he clearly wasn't going to to Elena's -- Damon said thank you. Aww!

I'd also love it so hard because I do think that as her only remaining family what's best for her would be the most important thing to him. And he is seeing that there is something there. It wasn't Rose saying that to Jeremy that opened his eyes; she just brought it to the surface for him. After all when asking Elena about it, he said "EVEN Rose said something…" ie., Rose wasn't the only one who noticed. And he was constantly sizing up the two even before he caught them making out. Which, was actually a cock-block I didn't mind. As much as I want Damon and Elena to make wild passionate monkey love, I'd prefer it happen in his awesome bed that has yet to see on-screen sexytiems and not backed against a porch column in a cheap motel. Just saying.

Now how about the actual PLOT!? Wowzers! They haven't had a jaw-dropper of an ending like that in a while. I literally sat there, jaw-dropped and said "Holy shit!" a few times after that ending. Whoah! And so perfectly laid out. We had the little reminder from Alaric near the top of the show about Klaus possessing him, and then the witch that is Esther paired with that odd, shaking hand-hold before she "died." Seeing Evilaric and RebekEsther teaming up at the end there? Oooh! Has me so intrigued for what is to come. I love being intrigued! And kudos to Claire Holt – who was just lovely and nuanced and glorious, as pretty much always, in this episode – for that final scene. She had the phrasings and vocal inflections of Alice Evans (who played Esther) down perfectly. Just spot-on.

However, like Alaric being possessed by Klaus, Rebekah better be just subdued and still kicking around in that body because I do not want to lose Rebekah! Because, again, Claire Holt is awesome. Full stop. Period. I LOVE HER SO MUCH. REBEKAH PLEASE BE THE ORIGINAL MOMMY!! I NEVER WANT TO LOSE YOU. AND BE REDEEMED AND YOU AND MATT CAN MAKE BEAUTIFUL BLONDE/BLUE-EYED LOVE!

 
 

That's Matt and Rebekah right when he first stopped at her house, and right before she hopped out of his truck. And, yes, I now ship them. As anyone who reads my TVD-posts regularly knows, I now love Matt. After this episode, I officially DIE-HARD love Matty Donovan so much. And he and Rebekah are made of all the win in the world. I love, love, love how he keeps creeping under her skin with his sweet, human, high-school boy ways (ala, giving her his jacket at the ball, and now this). Yes, he was keeping her occupied for Caroline and Tyler, but did he have to drive her home? No. But he did, and it was sweet and I LUFF THEM NOW!

Ahem. Speaking of Caroline and Tyler, yeah, still don't give two figs about them. They remain the only true yawn-worthy portion of the show for me. Please to be killing off Tyler before season's end? I know, I know, it's mean, but I don't care about Tyler, and I LOVE everyone else. Plus, it frees Caroline up for Stefan down the road. (You knew I was going there; I always do.) Sigh, I suppose I must talk about them a bit. I did think that Tyler overreacted to the drawing that Caroline kept because they'd been apart forever, he had no idea of the dynamics of anything that was going on there and he just got all huffy and walked out on her basically being the dick he so easily can be. On the other hand, I did get where his concern came from because as soon as I saw that drawing, I thought: 'Hmm, Caroline, sweetie, why do you be keeping a drawing from the creepy, sociopath that is smitten with you' Something is *definitely* there and Tyler is right to be concerned. It's just how he went about it that was so … bothersome.

Also bothersome and/or kinda-yay! for Damon was the discussion that Caroline had with Tyler in the cave. It was bothersome because once again Caroline was painting Damon as the bad guy -- the sole guy. However, she later referred to both Damon *and* Stefan as the ones who would take down Klaus even if it meant bye-bye time for Tyler, so... I'm going with the yay! Which is that even though Damon wasn't even there for the whole bloodline reveal/conclusion -- yo! peeps, his pretty ass was being horrifically tortured -- he's STILL seen as the ringleader of the group. Because he's the BOSS, baby!

Oh lordy, thank goodness … the final round of random thoughts and I am done!!

RANDOM --

- Bare-chested Damon, forever may you reign!

- Still on the shallow-train, Damon got a haircut. There was extreme hotness abounding all-around on the Damon Salvatore front. Bless you, show.

- Okay, maybe I'm being overly paranoid, but THIS SHOW! When Kol commented on hitting a nerve with Damon after he hurt Elena, I wondered if that was going to return to play later in the season. I mean, everyone and their dog knows that Elena is Damon's Achilles' heel, so why have such a deliberate line of dialogue from a newer character about it, hmm?

- OMG! For reals, people, when Rose first showed up and she was smiling that cute smile, I actually smiled in response and thought: 'Awww! It's Rose.' I thought that I did not like her at all! This was shocking to me, for real. But really, really nice because I'm kinda thinking (and now hoping) that she's gonna stick around for a bit longer and haunt Jeremy a while. Fun times!

- Oh, and I totes did love her 'tell him he's still dripping with sex' (HE SO IS!) comment about Damon. And Jeremy's complete refusal to repeat that comment. Hah!

- I mentioned it before, but since it was my favorite line of the episode, I must repeat it again. I just so completely loved Jeremy's "Why? So you guys can make-out some more?" ROTFLMAO! And Elena's look of indignation in response just made it even better. Oh, Elena, really now.

- Another great look was from Jeremy after he caught the above-mentioned making-out. It so said to Elena: "Yeah, so much for nothing between you two. Liar, liar, pant(ie)s on fire!"

- One more Jeremy note for the road. I kept having mini-moments of squee at his presence. Never leave me again, bb!

- The whole Scary Mary thing was hilariously awesome (and awful). Of course, Damon had a nickname for her. Of course, Damon had sex with her (she was creepy, not ugly!). And boy did they show the creepy. Her house, and then her staked corpse against the wall while Kol quietly waited in the dark. Creepy, indeed!

- Finally – okay, so these are my five endgame couples that I really, really want now (and just watch I'll lose my precious Rebekah this season!)

- Damon and Elena (duh!)
- Stefan and Caroline (double duh!)
- Elijah and Katherine
- Jeremy and Bonnie
- Rebekah and Matt

SQUEE!!! And boy, did we get some lovely Matt and Rebekah tonight, and, of course, major, major proof-age that Damon and Elena (my numero uno OTP!) are indeed totally endgame, baby!

So, grand return back from the hiatus. Kicking things into gear on the Damon/Elena front. Damon was awesome. Elena had moments of awesome. Rebekah was awesome. I found a new couple to love. Stefan was amusing in his oh-so-Stefan-y ways. There were funny lines, shocking moments, awesomely UBER-HOT moments, great movement of plot, and just yeah. I'm a happy camper, ya'll!

     
 
 
 
archangel_blood: DEkiss2archangel_blood on April 21st, 2012 09:23 am (UTC)
Wait, there was plot? :D I’m ashamed to admit it, but I was on such a D/E high that for the first time in a long while I managed to completely miss a lot of the non-D/E related stuff that’s happened in this episode. And for someone who actually watches the show for the show and not just for the couple that says a lot. I suppose a rewatch is in order.

I have the perfect excuse though. IT WAS GLORIOUS, OK? Sigh. I don’t even have words, only feelings, so many feelings! The way their eyes locked when he noticed she was secretly watching him. Her ridiculously clumsy attempt to fake sleep. That moment when she just gave up trying to keep her eyes closed and off of him and looked him straight in the eye. Damon going to her as if drawn by some invisible ties. It didn’t even look as a conscious decision on his part; she was calling to him and so he went. Because yes, I so, so agree with you that this is how it always is with them-they don’t choose to be drawn to each other, they didn’t choose to fall in love. But it’s never been a matter of choice, and it’s not about logic or rational thinking either. It’s a fact of life, as unavoidable and powerful and terrifyingly magnificent as an act of nature – you don’t get to decide whether it happens or not, you can just watch it unfold.

This is precisely what I love about them and their relationship; both of them have changed so much since they first met, slowly distancing themselves from the strictly black or white/good or bad kind of people they once were and going deeper and deeper into the grey area. Yet there is not a single shade of grey about their relationship, there is never any middle ground with them. And this is exactly how the love of your life should be. Not the tame, safe path that Stefan is; always there, unchanging, unchallenging. Unexciting. It’s the all-in that defines Damon and Elena’s relationship, all or nothing, always. Rose reaffirmed this later on in the episode, just in case anyone’s managed to not realize it by now. They hurt each other, and support each other, and piss each other off and they’d die for each other, but always in the same all-consuming, overwhelming, passionate manner that scares Elena so much.

It goes without saying that it's not easy to keep all this inside, hidden and constantly repressed. And it proved impossible for Elena to do in the end. All it took was a glimpse of the kindness, of the goodness she’d almost convinced herself she’d imagined in Damon. She gave in, she went for it /boy, did she! lol/ and we got the hottest kiss to burn our TV screens in like… ever? And yes, what I loved even more was the fact that Elena did not seem to be lost in it to the point where she didn’t know what she was doing. They stopped, they looked at each other and she had a second or two to process what’s happening. Then she went right back to kissing him.

AND IT WAS GLORIOUS.

Like you, I was not overly upset by their confrontation later on. (Unlike most of the Delena fanbase, it would seem. The doom and gloom that the D/E fans have been reveling in lately is getting on my nerves, tbh. This territory is the trademark of Stelena and Bamon some other shippers who shall remain nameless and I’d rather let them have it but to each their own, I guess.) It was a necessary conversation to be had.

On a separate note, I hope everyone saw that Jeremy does in fact remember everything about his life in MF and his memory has absolutely not been wiped clean by Damon and Elena, as many were claiming. So can we now shut up with the whole “They left him helpless and defenseless with no knowledge of the monsters that are out to get him” bullshit? Okay then, thanks.

Long comment is long and rambly. See Jenn, I have so many feelings! :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on April 22nd, 2012 09:46 pm (UTC)
Wait, there was plot? :D I’m ashamed to admit it, but I was on such a D/E high that for the first time in a long while I managed to completely miss a lot of the non-D/E related stuff that’s happened in this episode. And for someone who actually watches the show for the show and not just for the couple that says a lot. I suppose a rewatch is in order.

Maybe you'll have better luck than I, LOL! The rewatch actually made it harder to concentrate on the other stuff because I knew what awaited me in the D/E (and Rebekah) scenes.

I have the perfect excuse though. IT WAS GLORIOUS, OK? Sigh.

That is a perfect excuse. ;)

it’s not about logic or rational thinking either. It’s a fact of life, as unavoidable and powerful and terrifyingly magnificent as an act of nature – you don’t get to decide whether it happens or not, you can just watch it unfold.

I know, I know, I know ... and it's GLORIOUS!!!

This is precisely what I love about them and their relationship; both of them have changed so much since they first met, slowly distancing themselves from the strictly black or white/good or bad kind of people they once were and going deeper and deeper into the grey area. Yet there is not a single shade of grey about their relationship, there is never any middle ground with them. And this is exactly how the love of your life should be. Not the tame, safe path that Stefan is; always there, unchanging, unchallenging. Unexciting. It’s the all-in that defines Damon and Elena’s relationship, all or nothing, always. Rose reaffirmed this later on in the episode, just in case anyone’s managed to not realize it by now. They hurt each other, and support each other, and piss each other off and they’d die for each other, but always in the same all-consuming, overwhelming, passionate manner that scares Elena so much.

It goes without saying that it's not easy to keep all this inside, hidden and constantly repressed. And it proved impossible for Elena to do in the end. All it took was a glimpse of the kindness, of the goodness she’d almost convinced herself she’d imagined in Damon. She gave in, she went for it /boy, did she! lol/ and we got the hottest kiss to burn our TV screens in like… ever? And yes, what I loved even more was the fact that Elena did not seem to be lost in it to the point where she didn’t know what she was doing. They stopped, they looked at each other and she had a second or two to process what’s happening. Then she went right back to kissing him.

AND IT WAS GLORIOUS.


I'm going to annoyingly lame and just quote this section to say: THIS!! I WANT TO MARRY THIS POST OF YOURS!!!

Unlike most of the Delena fanbase, it would seem. The doom and gloom that the D/E fans have been reveling in lately is getting on my nerves, tbh.

Many D/E-ers were actually saying that this was such a great episode ... after 4-5 episodes of crap. And I was like, really? The entire show sucks if Damon and Elena aren't sucking face?! REALLY!?!? (And I'm sorry, but 3.15 and 3.17 especially were AMAZING episodes.)

It was a necessary conversation to be had.

YES!

On a separate note, I hope everyone saw that Jeremy does in fact remember everything about his life in MF and his memory has absolutely not been wiped clean by Damon and Elena, as many were claiming.

I didn't even know people were claiming that idiocy until I saw people complaining because how did Jeremy know what they were talking about since they erased his memory. People, please!

Long comment is long and rambly. See Jenn, I have so many feelings! :D

You read my post, right? I get it. I REALLY, REALLY get it! :p

Edited at 2012-04-22 09:47 pm (UTC)
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on April 21st, 2012 09:50 am (UTC)
>>I thought: 'Hmm, Caroline, sweetie, why do you be keeping a drawing from the creepy, sociopath that is smitten with you'

Um, I would? Even if she feels nothing for Klaus, it's still a reminder of someone's flattering attention, a bit like keeping love letters from old affairs. But then this is Klaus, maybe she shouldn't (I still would though).

Much like the scene in her bed in Ordinary People that bothers me every time I see it because Elena neglected to take her heavy make up off, this one will always bother me because she went to bed in her make up and dangly earrings- almost as if she thought she wasn't going to be doing any sleeping...
Arabian: Damon05arabian on April 22nd, 2012 09:49 pm (UTC)
Um, I would? Even if she feels nothing for Klaus, it's still a reminder of someone's flattering attention, a bit like keeping love letters from old affairs. But then this is Klaus, maybe she shouldn't (I still would though).

Sorry, yeah, I think considering the source, I don't get why she did (or why you would, but to each their own, right?!)

Much like the scene in her bed in Ordinary People that bothers me every time I see it because Elena neglected to take her heavy make up off, this one will always bother me because she went to bed in her make up and dangly earrings- almost as if she thought she wasn't going to be doing any sleeping...

I noticed the earrings the 15th or so time I watched them, and yeah, it's annoying. Come on people, Nina Dobrev is genuinely one of those actresses who can fly with the very light make-up and still look damn good. It's okay to lay off the fake eyelashes and what-not, not to mention the jewelry. Who sleeps in dangly earrings? No one, that's who!
Bogwitchbogwitch on April 22nd, 2012 10:12 pm (UTC)
I think that says a lot about me and the lack of anything of that sort that's happened to me. I wouldn't leave it out for all to see though, I'm sure there's a space at the back of the wardrobe more suitable for it.

I get that they want to make their actresses look good and so I can handwave a lot, but they could make it a bit more subtle - and maybe in this instance, maybe she would just not bother with the make up remover. The earring though, no excuse. No wonder she couldn't sleep.
Arabian: NinaDobrev01arabian on April 22nd, 2012 11:16 pm (UTC)
I think that says a lot about me and the lack of anything of that sort that's happened to me. I wouldn't leave it out for all to see though, I'm sure there's a space at the back of the wardrobe more suitable for it.

That I completely understand. Back of the closet, kept because someone liked me, yeah, but just laying around by her bed? Oh, Caroline!

I get that they want to make their actresses look good and so I can handwave a lot, but they could make it a bit more subtle - and maybe in this instance, maybe she would just not bother with the make up remover.

It's just stupid, especially when you do have an actress like Nina. {Shakes head}

The earring though, no excuse. No wonder she couldn't sleep.

Yeah, had NOTHING to do with the uber-hot guy showering in the tiny bathroom and then walking around deliciously bare-chested.
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on April 22nd, 2012 11:26 pm (UTC)
No, nothing at all.

Is it me, or was he in there hours?
Arabian: Damon08arabian on April 22nd, 2012 11:32 pm (UTC)
LOL! Well, this IS a guy who has a fancy footclaw tub, and a basket full of fancy soaps in his massive, ornate bathroom ... so, really not that surprising.
Bogwitchbogwitch on April 23rd, 2012 04:11 am (UTC)
It's a good thing the others didn't need to go to the toilet then.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on April 30th, 2012 12:15 pm (UTC)
Hah!
illuminanted: Damon Salvatore ♥illuminanted on April 21st, 2012 02:39 pm (UTC)
I totally agree about Stefan. I really believe he is not aware that he is emotionally manipulating people but he so is... And I do agree that he thought (as Elena) that Damon would simply screw up on this trip, thus bringing Elena to the, may I say, very deluded conclusion that she is not in love with him.

The song and the lyrics were perfect. (I love Florence + The Machine <3 so that added to the moment for me :D) and as well as the scene itself. And yet, as amazing as the previous scene was, I am glad their next scene happened as well. Because I definitely am with Damon on this one. Elena needs to accept every single bit of awesomeness he is (I am biased because of my love for him, I know...) and not expect him to be what she wants him to.

I totally agree with your thoughts on Rose's words. It is how I interpreted them myself. (I guess that is the reason why I agree with them but anyway... :D) I've always seen SE's relationship as just that - safe. Yes, it is pure and keeps them both somehow grounded and doing fine but it is neither the best thing for Elena, nor for Stefan (that would be Caroline in my perfect TVD world... :D Because for me Caroline gives Stefan what Damon gives Elena... but let's not start with the rambling :D). Damon is constantly challenging Elena, therefore, making her live up to her full potential and at the same time allowing her to relax, laugh and just live for the moment. (which I see in the SC relationship as well...)

I love Damon/Jeremy interactions, as well! (I loved it when Jeremy was viewing Damon as the big brother figure... good times) And, I will, too, be very happy if Jeremy was the first to hop on the DE train. :D

I never expected to ship Matt/Rebekah but after this episode I realized I do. :D (I mean, i thought their scene with the jacket was cute but somehow I didn't grab me, however, now I definitely like them and I would want to see more scenes of them. :)

WOW! I am so glad I am not the only one not-really feeling Tyler/Caroline. I mean, I don't really mind them and I find some of their scenes somewhat enjoyable and sweet but they are definitely not a long-term couple in my mind mainly because of Tyler's impeccable ability of becoming a douche. (mostly exactly at the times when Caroline needs that the least.)

Damon wasn't even there for the whole bloodline reveal/conclusion -- yo! peeps, his pretty ass was being horrifically tortured -- he's STILL seen as the ringleader of the group. Because he's the BOSS, baby!
THIS SO MUCH!^^^

Bare-chested Damon, forever may you reign!
Yup, this SO MUCH as well!^^^ :D:P

And, also, YAY!for the haircut. (not that Ian isn't gorgeous, anyway.)

+ I TOTALLY agree 100% with all of your random thoughts.

Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on April 22nd, 2012 09:52 pm (UTC)
And yet, as amazing as the previous scene was, I am glad their next scene happened as well. Because I definitely am with Damon on this one. Elena needs to accept every single bit of awesomeness he is (I am biased because of my love for him, I know...) and not expect him to be what she wants him to.

Absolutely.

Yes, it is pure and keeps them both somehow grounded and doing fine but it is neither the best thing for Elena, nor for Stefan

Thank you! A lot of people thought the "pure love" line was ridiculous and made no sense, and I was all ... but it does. And that's actually kinda part of the problem.

that would be Caroline in my perfect TVD world... :D Because for me Caroline gives Stefan what Damon gives Elena... but let's not start with the rambling :D

Like I'm gonna argue with that!

I never expected to ship Matt/Rebekah but after this episode I realized I do. :D (I mean, i thought their scene with the jacket was cute but somehow I didn't grab me, however, now I definitely like them and I would want to see more scenes of them. :)

I KNOW!! I'm so going to rewatch their 3.14 scenes now! LUFF THEM!!!

WOW! I am so glad I am not the only one not-really feeling Tyler/Caroline. I mean, I don't really mind them and I find some of their scenes somewhat enjoyable and sweet but they are definitely not a long-term couple in my mind mainly because of Tyler's impeccable ability of becoming a douche. (mostly exactly at the times when Caroline needs that the least.)

Yeah, I mildly liked the idea mid-way through season 02, but yeah by the end and definitely this season, I just don't care at all about them. Like AT ALL.
eolivet on April 21st, 2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
I'm not generally impressed with Matt Davis, but I did love that tinge of a "Deliverance"-type accent he put on for Evilaric (tm Damon). Interesting -- the only actor I've noticed who hasn't noticeably changed his voice when they're trying to be another character or version of themselves -- from Katherine/Elena to Rebekah/Esther to Alaric/Klaus and now Alaric/Evilaric is...Stefan. Ripper!Stefan and bunny snacking pacifist!Stefan have pretty much the same voice. I'd like to think that's reflective of the fact that ripper!Stefan isn't some "evil alter ego" or totally separate personality, but just...a part of Stefan.

OK, that was random. :p

I'm still holding out for SOMETHING more from Elena for Damon, because I basically saw lust here. I want more conversations like the one in the bed (accompanied by kissing -- though I guess that's a level of comfort they don't have yet!) rather than passionate making out in seedy motels! We KNOW Elena feels lust for Damon -- we've known that (IMO) for quite a while. We also know she feels jealousy. But I want to see Elena staring longingly at Damon when he's just like...IDK, snarking with Carol Lockwood. ;p Something innocuous, or something that would indicate deeper appreciation of his personality, his character, who he is rather than what he looks like or with whom he's sharing his bed or that she just wants him to be sharing hers.

I really like your characterization of Stefan/Elena as a high school romance -- which would make Elena's date to next week's dance very telling. ;)

Oddly enough, Rose's monologue at the end did more to strengthen my faith in D/E than the makeout. Go figure!!! But it was talking about their personalities, not their bodies -- and that's the final step, IMO. :)

(Randomly I LOVED that Rebekah just changed the dance theme -- I was thinking the '20s was so odd, because I couldn't see any of the characters suggesting it... I forgot the one who lived through it, LOL! :p )
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: TyRicMatt SRSBNSbadboy_fangirl on April 21st, 2012 04:51 pm (UTC)
I'm going to hijack your comment, for a moment, Molly. I hope that's okay.

As for the lust-portion of our evening...I think, either because I'm foolishly hopeful or it just didn't cross my mind in this way, as it did yours...that everything with Damon is bigger, including the passion, which we got to see first because Elena is not ready to own her feelings verbally. She keeps telling everyone she "doesn't know" and that's a lot of garbage. She has had feelings for him for a long time, but she hasn't wanted to admit any of them because she thinks it reflects badly on her (what does that say about me?). So while the lust factor is amped up between them, what really caused this physical explosion between them was the longing that has been developing since they "broke up." Jenn and I talked last night and I mentioned to her that that was one of the feelings that engulfed me when he lay down next to her on the bed: how much she had MISSED him. Because their friendship had been negated by their break-up, not their sex life, since they'd never had a sex life with each other before. Anyway, I just don't see it as only *lust* or even believe Elena is really capable of a sexual act without her emotions entirely involved. She isn't like Damon in that way, whether it's just because she's so young and hasn't experienced that yet, or whether she'd be that way regardless.

So, I totally understand and see what you mean, but from my POV, it was so much MORE than that. I remember watching the commentary on the movie The Notebook and the director talks about the scene where the two characters finally make love and he says something about the love between a man and a woman being deeply faceted and how the physical act of it is just as crucial as all the emotional aspects, because really it's just another emotion, that becomes physical. And like Damon and Elena, who have had so much time to build up to this explosion, it just echoed within me, that idea. Their need and desire for each other has been a long time coming, and for Elena to finally *test* it or acknowledge it or whatever you want to call it, was simply the opening of the floodgates. (And I'm hoping, there won't be any going back.)

Anyway. Your comment made me have a lot of feelings, okay? Just thought I'd share! :D

Edited at 2012-04-21 04:53 pm (UTC)
eolivet on April 21st, 2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
Because their friendship had been negated by their break-up, not their sex life, since they'd never had a sex life with each other before.

No, I see what you mean...I just can't get over the fact that it was bare-chested Damon she was looking at. If she was looking at Damon with his shirt fully buttoned up (or half-buttoned -- I mean it IS Damon!) I'd be able to accept that, but there was such a "OMG he's HOT" vibe to the scene. In some ways, their scene on the bed was my favorite D/E scene (gasp! I know! But hopeless romantic here! :p ) Because Elena lying down next to Damon and linking hands and feeling something as they talked about Rose...well, that wasn't just lust. :)

I just don't see it as only *lust* or even believe Elena is really capable of a sexual act without her emotions entirely involved.

I guess I wish it hadn't happened 1) using the dingy motel trope and 2) when they were both half-dressed. I'm sort of the opposite of Jenn in that sense, because while this kiss seems more "them" (i.e., more passionate) I liked their kiss on the porch much more -- because...I didn't feel the hand of the writers setting up the situation for them, if that makes any sense, and I mean, Elena was fully clothed and Damon was just...IDK, so overwhelmed with love for her, he had to kiss her. And she responded. :)

Their need and desire for each other has been a long time coming, and for Elena to finally *test* it or acknowledge it or whatever you want to call it, was simply the opening of the floodgates.

Yes! These were the physical floodgates. Now I want to see some (overtly) emotional ones (if that makes any sense! :p )
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on April 22nd, 2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
the only actor I've noticed who hasn't noticeably changed his voice when they're trying to be another character or version of themselves is...Stefan.

I think it's because Paul Wesley is incapable of doing accents, voice changes at all, LOL! I just say this because of a little thing that Paul, Nina and Ian did where they were doing a promo for a tv interview in England, and Nina talked first, in an English accent, then Ian and then Paul spoke in their normal voices. She was all: 'Hey, we were supposed to do accents,' and Paul did possibly THE worst fake English accent -- just like three words, but still -- I have EVER heard, and Ian and Paul himself were both laughing at it. (BTW: I've heard Ian do Italian and English accents, both are good.) Uhm, so, yeah, I think it's just that Paul can't, not an acting choice.

OK, that was random. :p

As was my response, LOL!

I'm still holding out for SOMETHING more from Elena for Damon, because I basically saw lust here. I want more conversations like the one in the bed rather than passionate making out in seedy motels!

The reason that kind of release was needed goes back to the Pilot, and the type of relationships that Elena has had. She talked to Stefan about it not working with Matt because there was no passion. And then, the most passionate we ever saw Elena with Stefan was in "Bad Moon Rising," when she pulled him into a kiss in front of Damon to piss him off. Other than that, we haven't seen her passionate. Her romantic relationships have been safe, and fairly passionless -- at least visually onscreen -- which increases the view of them being seen as high school romances. This uncontrollable passion was adult.

Also, the very fact that Elena DID let go so completely was 100% indicative of those deeper feelings for Damon. She's shown her love & longing for him plenty of times. Throughout season 01, parts of season 02, and specifically 2.22, 3.02, 3.08, 3.09, 3.10, 3.11, but she's never let fully go, and knowing what we do about Elena sexually, her letting go so passionately was a HUGE step for her because that's not her. She's not like Katherine, or even Caroline and Rebekah, in that she isn't a sexual creature. She doesn't dress sexually, she doesn't flirt outrageously, doesn't emphasize her sexuality in any way, shape or form. This was BY FAR the most sexual we've ever seen Elena, and it was very deliberate that it was with Damon.

She's always, always in control -- and here she wasn't. She's very measured, she's very aware, and here she just let go. In the premiere with her turning 18, Alaric telling her she was a grown-up, and the harder, more grown-up decisions she's made (mostly in regard to Jeremy, but also Stefan and Damon) were indicative of this season being big about her growing up, and maturing. Giving into such sexuality is a very Western sign of maturation. And with Damon, fully letting go in such a passionate, sexual display was another big sign to that maturation ... this time in connection with Damon and her feelings for him. This is not a high school romance; this is an adult relationship.

I really like your characterization of Stefan/Elena as a high school romance -- which would make Elena's date to next week's dance very telling. ;)

Very true.

Oddly enough, Rose's monologue at the end did more to strengthen my faith in D/E than the makeout. Go figure!!! But it was talking about their personalities, not their bodies -- and that's the final step, IMO. :)

But it was that make-out that was rather what Rose was talking about. He challenges her sexuality, her ideas that you can't give into what you want, you don't just let go and give in. That make-out session was the physical proof (partly) of what Rose was saying.

Edited at 2012-04-22 11:10 pm (UTC)
wickedrumwickedrum on April 21st, 2012 04:15 pm (UTC)
I don't know how much of a jaw dropper ending that was. Esther I never trusted so when she came back and annoucend that she was dying and then crumpled at Rebekah's feet, it was pretty clear to me what she was doing. Claire immediately changed (kudos to her) and the way she talked to Klaus there, that single sentence gave away Bex wasn't herself anymore. In her next scene, she was somewhere in between Rebekah and Esther, keeping up appearances that she was Rebekah, but not quite so. PossessedRic and Esther have the same goal, so of course they've agreed.

And this is not cristicism of the show, I really don't mind that it wasn't a surprise. (although I do mind that it happened cause just like you, I'm scared for my prescious Rebekah)

Edited at 2012-04-21 04:20 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Matt & Rebekah01arabian on April 22nd, 2012 10:23 pm (UTC)
I'll have to rewatch and check out how she played it because I didn't notice. And to be fair I was really concentrating on the whole motel and what could happen with Damon and Elena that I wasn't 100% paying attention. Regardless, I'm happy because it gave me the lovely jaw-dropping ending for me! :)

although I do mind that it happened cause just like you, I'm scared for my precious Rebekah)

I know. DON'T LEAVE ME FOREVER, REBEKAH!!!!!
Frust-sheep: sheep: *aww*frust_sheep on April 21st, 2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
* Damon and Elena (duh!)
* Stefan and Caroline (double duh!)
* Elijah and Katherine
* Jeremy and Bonnie
* Rebekah and Matt

*raises hand* I have so to agree again. :D *aww*
Arabian: Betty01 - Yesarabian on April 22nd, 2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
* Damon and Elena (duh!)
* Stefan and Caroline (double duh!)
* Elijah and Katherine
* Jeremy and Bonnie
* Rebekah and Matt

*raises hand* I have so to agree again. :D *aww*


It's not too much to ask, right? :D

Edited at 2012-04-22 10:35 pm (UTC)
Frust-sheep: sheep: *aww*frust_sheep on April 23rd, 2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
It is really not too much to ask. :D
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on April 30th, 2012 12:15 pm (UTC)
No, most definitely is not!
swirlsofblueswirlsofblue on April 21st, 2012 04:57 pm (UTC)
I always love your commentaries, and this was no exception; it was entirely wonderful and splendiferous.

Elena and Damon; ALL of the things you said, so true, and so elegantly put.
(except the end game thing, I love Elena and Damon and Stefan and I want them all to find other people, there are so many awesome options (like Stefan/Caroline), run free little characters, run free!).

Also, yes on the Tyler/Caroline pointlessness (though they have their moments), but if it leads to Caroline teaming up reluctantly/conflictedly with Klaus, or Caroline having confrontations with Stefan, I will be happy. And they definitely need to have the Caroline confronting Stefan scene, up until now I've accepted that they haven't really had anything to give the two of them without it being overly contrived--this is the perfect opportunity to give us some brilliant Caroline/Stefan. I have an urge to write a missing scene, but will wait and see.

Also all of the things you said about Rebekah, her Esther was perfect, and the Matt bit so sweet, her awesome power is bringing me around to Matt. And our girl is yet again not going to get to go to the dance, poor baby.

I have lots of thoughts on your Stefan thoughts and lots of thoughts on your Stefan/Klaus thoughts, but then I have lots of Stefan & Stefan/Klaus thoughts in general. I will try to be brief. This will probably lack order.
I agree that Stefan's manipulations aren't intentional, but I think he is aware of them--he just can't help himself it's who he is. I also think he did have ulterior motives for the whole Damon Elena roadtrip, but it's more because of his concern for himself and his brother (as much as he does the self loathing thing, he also is self aware and has self worth, and he doesn't want Elena faffing him about like Katherine did, and he doesn't want her faffing Damon about like Katherine did, especially when Stefan is so close to getting Damon where he wants him, I'm also convinced that Stefan and Damon are having whole hidden conversations about this whole thing, I mean they do seem to always have unbelievable knowledge of what each other is doing, maybe it's just my Stefan Damon head canon).

I did love the Stefan Alaric scenes, and the Stefan Klaus scenes even more so. I think we all secretly want rippery Stefan to come back and be best buds with Klaus, or 'good' Stefan to accept best bud Klaus just the way he is in all his evil glory. Yes, twas sad, but also awesome that Stefan finally mentioned and Klaus confirmed that everyone knows KLaus won't kill him, yes everyone, even the chipmunk who thinks Stefan's name is Joe knows. And you make such a great point about indifference being worse than hate, but me hopes this only means Klaus will dial his efforts to 'refriend' Stefan up a notch, just when we thought horse pictures were creepy let's see what's to come. And this may just be my shippy heart, but when Klaus says Stefan is a hair away from becoming that person who was Klaus's friend, Stefan's nodding as he answers--this is Stefan and that action means something.

About Stefan telling Klaus about the whole bloodline dying along with the original, I think he had to tell him. Stefan had to let Klaus know that he had just as much to lose as Klaus if the stake wasn't found, so that Klaus would know that Stefan was invested in finding answers, to ensure that Klaus wouldn't just kill Alaric. Also loved the moment when Stefan puts a hand on Klaus's chest and Klaus stops.
Arabian: SC & Klaus01arabian on April 22nd, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
I always love your commentaries, and this was no exception; it was entirely wonderful and splendiferous.

Well, thank you. :)

this is the perfect opportunity to give us some brilliant Caroline/Stefan. I have an urge to write a missing scene, but will wait and see.

Yeah, I'm really, really bummed about the lack of Caroline/Stefan, but I feel (fear) that if there is going to be any Caroline confronting them about Tyler being on the easy-kill list if Klaus isn't their sire, that it will be Damon she confronts and not Stefan.

our girl is yet again not going to get to go to the dance, poor baby.

Sigh, no, she's not. Poor Rebekah! :(

I agree that Stefan's manipulations aren't intentional, but I think he is aware of them--he just can't help himself it's who he is.

Oh, I think he's aware of them, but I also think he's convinced himself he's not being manipulative because that would be bad, and Stefan is the good brother, you know.

I also think he did have ulterior motives for the whole Damon Elena roadtrip, but it's more because of his concern for himself and his brother (as much as he does the self loathing thing, he also is self aware and has self worth, and he doesn't want Elena faffing him about like Katherine did, and he doesn't want her faffing Damon about like Katherine did, especially when Stefan is so close to getting Damon where he wants him

I just don't think so. We've seen way too many times where Stefan chooses his desire for his relationship with Elena over what's best for Damon or Elena emotionally.

I'm also convinced that Stefan and Damon are having whole hidden conversations about this whole thing, I mean they do seem to always have unbelievable knowledge of what each other is doing.

Oh no, that I agree with completely overall, but not in this instance, because Damon wouldn't have been surprised and upset by Elena's comment about Stefan thinking she had feelings for him, thus the little road trip.

you make such a great point about indifference being worse than hate, but me hopes this only means Klaus will dial his efforts to 'refriend' Stefan up a notch

That would be AWESOME actually.

About Stefan telling Klaus about the whole bloodline dying along with the original, I think he had to tell him. Stefan had to let Klaus know that he had just as much to lose as Klaus if the stake wasn't found, so that Klaus would know that Stefan was invested in finding answers, to ensure that Klaus wouldn't just kill Alaric.

Hmm, that's a good point. I just wish he'd stated something to that effect because I've read that comment from others as well. Hmmm.

Edited at 2012-04-23 08:49 pm (UTC)
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: DE OTPbadboy_fangirl on April 21st, 2012 06:59 pm (UTC)
And if so, will that, along with he and Elena at the 20's dance, lead him to believe that his supposition was correct
I feel very confident in saying that Elena will most likely be painfully honest with Stefan over what happened with her and Damon. I'm really looking forward to that.

Because then she's gone, and his reason for being better is gone, so what is there to stop him from going back to his ripper ways? Nothing. He has to do this for himself.
I so agree with this -- just like Tyler's declaration earlier in the season about Caroline being that part of him that he likes! I do like that it's the boys putting their value in their women, because more often than not we see it the other way around, but it's so unhealthy. And for all of Damon's messed up stuff, this is the one thing that he does really well, as you point out. He is who he is, take him or leave him.

Ah, Stefan and Klaus. Is it wrong that a part of me still wants Stefan to go all rippery and just be buds with Klaus again? Yeah, I know it is, but Klaus is so adorable in his bromantic love for Stefan. He really, really wants his little buddy back.
This is the brilliance of JoMo, really, because every time he's all sad!panda about it, I feel sorry for him! It's incredible! So much love for Stefan/Klaus.

Even before he said the words to her later, he was telling her now that he wasn't going to make it easy for her just because he loved her. If she wants him, she takes him as who he is, not someone she's created out of her own expectations. He doesn't want to have to live up (or down) to anyone's expectations to be loved. He just wants to be loved for who he is.
This is what she'll never have with Stefan, even if she turned and they live forever. Damon's type of relationship, though fraught with difficulty, will be absolutely real--and let's go back to the very beginning, he has always wanted it to be real between them. Because he had 145 years of not-real with a tomb vampire who wasn't even there. If he's doing this again, he's doing it completely, balls-to-the-wall, and he will force her to do the same.

Even before he said the words to her later, he was telling her now that he wasn't going to make it easy for her just because he loved her. If she wants him, she takes him as who he is, not someone she's created out of her own expectations. He doesn't want to have to live up (or down) to anyone's expectations to be loved. He just wants to be loved for who he is.
You know how much I love my Damon/Jeremy stuff and this has long been my DREAM scenario, which is why I loved Rose's commentary on the situation so much. That she said it to Jeremy, because he's the only one who can hear her is one thing, but the fact that he's the one person who needs to understand, who matters more than anyone else in the scheme of things...oh, my heart. I just love it, love it, LOVE IT.

Now how about the actual PLOT!? Wowzers! They haven't had a jaw-dropper of an ending like that in a while. I literally sat there, jaw-dropped and said "Holy shit!" a few times after that ending.
I didn't even realize until we talked on the phone last night, but the Canadian promo definitely robbed me of the surprise there. I didn't care so much because of the D/E bliss but yeah, I wasn't shocked that it was Rebekesther. LOLOLOL, worst name ever! And Matty/Beks FTW! I so want more of that. I sure hope she comes back next season so we can have it!

- Oh, and I totes did love her 'tell him he's still dripping with sex' (HE SO IS!) comment about Damon. And Jeremy's complete refusal to repeat that comment. Hah!
I loved her pure affection for him. Rose represents fangirls everywhere. So sweet!
Arabian: Matt & Rebekah01arabian on April 23rd, 2012 12:47 am (UTC)
I feel very confident in saying that Elena will most likely be painfully honest with Stefan over what happened with her and Damon. I'm really looking forward to that.

I'm sure she will, but I'm talking about before she tells him. I mean if we get a scene immediately with her telling him, then I'm just going to assume that he didn't see them and their distance. It's just that if he does see them, with that tense distance there before he knows what happened, then I expect him to think MUAHAHAHA! It worked! See, she DOESN'T love him! I remain the chosen one! (Cue beating his chest.) Not really, but you know what I mean, LOL!

This is what she'll never have with Stefan, even if she turned and they live forever. Damon's type of relationship, though fraught with difficulty, will be absolutely real--and let's go back to the very beginning, he has always wanted it to be real between them. Because he had 145 years of not-real with a tomb vampire who wasn't even there. If he's doing this again, he's doing it completely, balls-to-the-wall, and he will force her to do the same.

Yup, with Stefan it's make-believe and pretending to be what they're not. With Damon, he never lets her get away with pretending he's anything that he's not ... and that is a helluva lot healthier than what S/E have (had).

You know how much I love my Damon/Jeremy stuff and this has long been my DREAM scenario, which is why I loved Rose's commentary on the situation so much. That she said it to Jeremy, because he's the only one who can hear her is one thing, but the fact that he's the one person who needs to understand, who matters more than anyone else in the scheme of things...oh, my heart. I just love it, love it, LOVE IT.

I would LOL so hard if we get Jeremy side-eyeing Stefan and Elena next week. Hee!

I didn't even realize until we talked on the phone last night, but the Canadian promo definitely robbed me of the surprise there.

Some weren't surprised (but then I'm not sure if that person I'm thinking of watched the Canadian promo or not).

I wasn't shocked that it was Rebekesther. LOLOLOL, worst name ever!

See, I vaguely know of the Twilight name, so there are no connonations for me. And, frankly, I like it better than AlariKlaus, I think it rolls off the tongue pretty easily. (I like it better than all name smooshes on TVD except for Forwood which is aweswome and saddens me that the couple behind it does nothing for me.)

Matty/Beks FTW! I so want more of that. I sure hope she comes back next season so we can have it!

Must rewatch their scenes in 3.14!!!!

(BTW: With this icon, I officially have an icon featuring every main member of the cast.)
(Anonymous) on April 23rd, 2012 03:57 am (UTC)
then I expect him to think MUAHAHAHA! It worked!
It would be the best kind of crack for Stefan to let loose a evil!monster laugh! LOLOLOL
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on April 23rd, 2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
Alas, if we didn't get it during his Ripper days, I doubt we'll get it now. More's the shame. *Sigh*
vanimy: D/E (s3)vanimy on April 21st, 2012 08:00 pm (UTC)
:D

I want to marry your post, dear!! :) I 100% agree with everything which hasn't happened in a while. ;)

TVD's back for me!!! Not just because of the Damon/Elena awesomeness but I really liked everything else too.

This episode made me feel so many different things.

I burst out laughing several times, ie Damon's lines, Jeremy's lines and reactions, Ric's line about Jeremy having a hippie alter ego... I loved getting insight into Alaric's alter ego personality, liked Stefan and Alaric's scenes even if I too felt they didn't have a lot of chemistry, liked seeing Rebekah's softer side (even if I ship Rebekah/Matt less than you do). Was so surprised at the ending twist (hasn't happened in forever, I swear!).

Damon/Elena. I don't know if it's the hiatus but I felt like the snark and banter at the beginning were more like them, less hurtful than the bitter snark they shared in the previous episodes. Ah these two. They made me feel everything, tenderness, sexual tension, angst, longing. It was perfect.

I so so so agree with what you said about their first kiss and how different this kiss was. That's what I've been waiting for for so long. And it made sense because of that sweet yet laced with sexual tension bedroom scene just before the kiss. I too loved the fact Elena was completely aware of what she was doing. I don't think we've ever seen Elena being so passionate before. Loved it.

All your explanation only enhanced the interpretation I had of the scene. Those walls crumbling and all, it makes perfect sense.

I loved Damon's reaction at Elena being hurt and how he reached out to caress her cheek and take care of her and how natural it was and ugh my shipper heart. And of course she pulled back. Of course! I don't even understand how DE shippers could be bummed because of this scene. It was perfect. I wasn't surprised with Elena saying she didn't know what she felt for him, anything else would've been out of character at this point. The confusion was well-done (for once :P). And Damon's reaction made a lot of sense. It was angsty but it was good angst, I could feel my heart literally tighten during the whole scene. It was perfect.

Even though I felt like Rose's speech at the end of the episode was a little bit too in your face for the audience, what she said was perfect. That scene was perfect too, without any words, you could feel the distance between them in the car, the longing. Everything.

*sigh*

-I liked Stefan standing up to Klaus actually.

-Jeremy being back is the best thing that happened after the Delena kiss.

-I'm with you on the Caroline/Tyler front. I didn't really care about them. And is it me or everytime they have a scene together, it always ends up in sex right away? There isn't much ground in this relationship. Oh and I still have lukewarm feelings for Tyler so yeah he can die too for me, I don't care.

-I also liked seeing Rose again, I was really surprised too at my own reaction. I was genuinely glad to see her again. And she really looked like she cared for Damon. I liked that.

-That ending! Really wasn't expecting that! Hasn't happened to me in a long time, love it.
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on April 23rd, 2012 01:05 am (UTC)
I want to marry your post, dear!! :) I 100% agree with everything which hasn't happened in a while. ;)

Hopefully, you'll be able to go back and watch the last batch of episodes and be better with them because they really were necessary for us to get where we did in this episode.

I burst out laughing several times, ie Damon's lines, Jeremy's lines and reactions, Ric's line about Jeremy having a hippie alter ego...

Lot of funny lines in this episode.

liked seeing Rebekah's softer side (even if I ship Rebekah/Matt less than you do)

I don't super-ship them (not yet), but I was delighted by their scene. It gave me squishy feelings. I'd put them akin to Jeremy/Bonnie, rather than D/E, S/C and E/K.

Damon/Elena. I don't know if it's the hiatus but I felt like the snark and banter at the beginning were more like them, less hurtful than the bitter snark they shared in the previous episodes.

It was better, but it made sense. Damon had just been kidnapped/tortured, whether she saw him or not, she knew that. And Stefan had just pulled her a tad out of her river of denial about her feelings for Damon so she was less snitty with him and he was therefore less snitty with her. Again, looking at the play of events from 3.01 to 3.18, it was kinda all necessary to get them here.

I don't think we've ever seen Elena being so passionate before. Loved it.

We really haven't.

I loved Damon's reaction at Elena being hurt and how he reached out to caress her cheek and take care of her and how natural it was and ugh my shipper heart. And of course she pulled back. Of course! I don't even understand how DE shippers could be bummed because of this scene.

Apparently, there's been a bunch of bitching about it, and I'm just UGH! SHUT UP! in my brain.

It was perfect. I wasn't surprised with Elena saying she didn't know what she felt for him, anything else would've been out of character at this point. The confusion was well-done (for once :P).

See, I know you have the jokey-face, but I do think the confusion has made sense all along. Gah, I keep beating a dead horse, but yeah, we NEEDED what happened in 3.14 to 3.18 to get them to THAT conversation in Scary Mary's house, had we NOT gotten that conversation, them getting together (at any point soon) would have been almost as ingenuous as her and Stefan and all of the swept-under-the-rug issues they have.

Even though I felt like Rose's speech at the end of the episode was a little bit too in your face for the audience, what she said was perfect.

Again, general viewers generally = oblivious. They just don't pay attention like we do. Lord, the number of comments I've read from people (not just S/E fans) who didn't even understand what Rose was talking about because they'd never picked up on it. A lot of people are really stupid when it comes to TV-watching.

-I liked Stefan standing up to Klaus actually.

I did too.

-Jeremy being back is the best thing that happened after the Delena kiss.

This!

-I'm with you on the Caroline/Tyler front. I didn't really care about them. And is it me or everytime they have a scene together, it always ends up in sex right away? There isn't much ground in this relationship. Oh and I still have lukewarm feelings for Tyler so yeah he can die too for me, I don't care.

There's nothing to them, really nothing at all. I think that's why they decided to go the Klaus route because they have to be aware that T/C really aren't working as a viable long-term couple.

Edited at 2012-04-23 01:07 am (UTC)
vanimy: D/Evanimy on April 23rd, 2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
Re : T/C. This. ^^

I will probably rewatch everything at the end of the season and pay attention to the subtle things I may have missed especially regarding Elena and in light of her 'explosion' this week which meant she had it all inside for quite some time. I don't think the Originals plot will be more interesting after a rewatch though... unless something happens in the upcoming episodes that turns everything on its head (and boy can TVD do that well).

It's funny because I knew there would be a Delena kiss before the episode aired (I didn't see anything I just heard about the kiss) and I thought to myself that there was nothing the writers could do that would make me forget about what happened prior to that and the issues I had with it.

Well they sure know how to make me change my mind, these sneaky writers! ;) Again it wasn't just the kiss, everything felt more like my Damon/Elena ship if that makes sense. It's probably because of the 3x18 kidnapping, I hadn't thought of that, but from the beginning of the episode things felt more natural between them. I had no issue whatsoever about any of their scenes, understood both reactions and didn't have to think hard after the episode to understand Elena's behavior.

And that was great. :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on April 24th, 2012 12:50 am (UTC)
I will probably rewatch everything at the end of the season and pay attention to the subtle things I may have missed especially regarding Elena and in light of her 'explosion' this week which meant she had it all inside for quite some time. I don't think the Originals plot will be more interesting after a rewatch though... unless something happens in the upcoming episodes that turns everything on its head (and boy can TVD do that well).

I do think it really help with your issues.

It's funny because I knew there would be a Delena kiss before the episode aired (I didn't see anything I just heard about the kiss) and I thought to myself that there was nothing the writers could do that would make me forget about what happened prior to that and the issues I had with it.

I expected there was, but didn't know for sure. Well, you know that I was expecting it BECAUSE of everything that's happened, LOL!

Again it wasn't just the kiss, everything felt more like my Damon/Elena ship if that makes sense. It's probably because of the 3x18 kidnapping, I hadn't thought of that, but from the beginning of the episode things felt more natural between them.

I noticed when going through screencaps that at the batting cage, there's a moment where Elena is just looking at Damon with a softness, and it re-affirmed my belief that it was because of what happened to him in 3.18.

I had no issue whatsoever about any of their scenes, understood both reactions and didn't have to think hard after the episode to understand Elena's behavior.

I'm really hoping a rewatch will make you feel that way about Elena in these last batch of episodes too, because, you know I didn't have a problem with it. (I know, I know, one of the only ones, right?)
vanimy: D/E kissvanimy on April 24th, 2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
I know, I know, one of the only ones, right?

Well, you can definitely say 'I told you so' to a lot of people! ;)

What's great is I really want to do a rewatch to put things in perspective now!
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on April 30th, 2012 12:16 pm (UTC)
Well, you can definitely say 'I told you so' to a lot of people! ;)

It just really DID make sense to me, LOL!

What's great is I really want to do a rewatch to put things in perspective now!

I do want to rewatch the season when it's over, but I REALLY want to rewatch the whole season, so I'll see how I work it out. Rewatch season 03, then the whole series? Hmm............. Decisions, decisions.
Florenciaflorencia7 on April 21st, 2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
I'm still in heaven & not coming back from there any time soon lol For all I care Stefan & Elena can spend the next 5 episodes dancing & I won't be bothered. After this episode I just can't see how Damon & Elena could possibly not be endgame. Their scenes have always been so beautifully crafted & THIS scene was no different. The song choice, the gust of wind brushing past them, the flickering lights, the entire setting that in some magical way suddenly, for a second, became spectacular. Not to mention all the Emotions. I just can't see how all of that, the entire DE history could be wiped off & turned to dust. So I'm as optimistic about their fate as ever.

I LOVED reading this post. You always capture & convey everything. Reading it felt like re-watching the episode ^^ Thank you! ♥
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)07arabian on April 23rd, 2012 01:08 am (UTC)
I'm still in heaven & not coming back from there any time soon lol

I have literally probably watched that clip in the hundreds!

For all I care Stefan & Elena can spend the next 5 episodes dancing & I won't be bothered. After this episode I just can't see how Damon & Elena could possibly not be endgame.

Yup. Forget everything else. The way they wrote, directed, shot that kiss is ENDGAME!

Their scenes have always been so beautifully crafted & THIS scene was no different. The song choice, the gust of wind brushing past them, the flickering lights, the entire setting that in some magical way suddenly, for a second, became spectacular. Not to mention all the Emotions.

Yup, yup, yup!!!

I just can't see how all of that, the entire DE history could be wiped off & turned to dust. So I'm as optimistic about their fate as ever.

Yup. :D

I LOVED reading this post. You always capture & convey everything. Reading it felt like re-watching the episode ^^ Thank you! ♥

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it. :D
flyingfish: elena tvdflyingfish1 on April 21st, 2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
Great post, as usual! :)

Very interesting thoughts on Stefan. He did seem very perturbed by the idea that they'd be staying in a motel, more so than I expected him to be, considering. I'm not going to even try to figure out his headspace on D/E until I've seen the next episode, though, since I have a hard time wrapping my head around him compared to the other two. But you could well be right. We shall see!

If he is doing all of this to get Elena back, then he's doomed to failure if Elena doesn't get back together with him, or if she does and then stays human and grows too old for him. Because then she's gone, and his reason for being better is gone, so what is there to stop him from going back to his ripper ways? Nothing. He has to do this for himself.

YES YES YES YES! *flails* I've been hoping against hope that they would do something like this ever since Elena's "I love you; hold onto that" in the premiere. And then later, when he told her that he had been holding onto it, that it was the only thing that kept him going... It set him up for this moment now when he doesn't have it to hold onto anymore. I have a half-finished post on my computer on all of that, I guess I should get around to posting it now that it seems I might have been right, lol! If he loses that, which it seems will happen, he'll have to learn to live for himself for the first time and I'm really looking forward to seeing that play out. *flails some more*

Is it wrong that a part of me still wants Stefan to go all rippery and just be buds with Klaus again? I know! He can go just a little rippery, can't he?? Maybe the 20s dance will lead to some bonding, or is that too much to hope for? ;)

And that's what it's all about with them. It's never about making a choice. It's about the inevitability of what they feel for each other. If both could choose to not want, to not love the other, they would. But there is no choice. There just is. So Elena stopped and waited for inevitability to catch up.
<3 <3 <3 is all I can say.

I noticed "the next time WE compel him" too and then promptly forgot about it, but yes! It's like the idea of the two of them teaming up to take care of him is a given, now.

I can't imagine Rebekah being gone forever--Esther compared it to Klaus posessing Alaric, and Alaric was just fine after that.

Please to be killing off Tyler before season's end? NOOO, shush! I'm worried enough about him already!

Huh, Rebekah/Matt. For a couple I hadn't given any serious thought until just this minute... yeah, I can see it. They could be cute together.
Arabian: Elena03arabian on April 23rd, 2012 01:13 am (UTC)
Great post, as usual! :)

Thank you. :)

Very interesting thoughts on Stefan. He did seem very perturbed by the idea that they'd be staying in a motel, more so than I expected him to be, considering. I'm not going to even try to figure out his headspace on D/E until I've seen the next episode, though, since I have a hard time wrapping my head around him compared to the other two. But you could well be right. We shall see!

It just so perfectly fits him. And I was actually surprised to see some reviewers pick up on it too, so I'm pretty sure that I am right on this one. (Since, they never pick up on anything until it's explicitly stated in their faces!)

YES YES YES YES! *flails* I've been hoping against hope that they would do something like this ever since Elena's "I love you; hold onto that" in the premiere. And then later, when he told her that he had been holding onto it, that it was the only thing that kept him going... It set him up for this moment now when he doesn't have it to hold onto anymore. I have a half-finished post on my computer on all of that, I guess I should get around to posting it now that it seems I might have been right, lol! If he loses that, which it seems will happen, he'll have to learn to live for himself for the first time and I'm really looking forward to seeing that play out. *flails some more*

You should finish it. Yes! It's just so ... wrong. You don't rely on other people to make yourself better. There's a reason we've seen Damon do "good" things for people who aren't Elena without her even knowing. Because it's not about being better for Elena, it's about the fact that her love and faith has allowed him to accept that he has that capacity. LOVES! Stefan needs to learn that himself.

Maybe the 20s dance will lead to some bonding, or is that too much to hope for? ;)

Sigh, not holding my breath there. :(

I noticed "the next time WE compel him" too and then promptly forgot about it, but yes! It's like the idea of the two of them teaming up to take care of him is a given, now.

It was just an awesome little nod. Loved it!

I can't imagine Rebekah being gone forever--Esther compared it to Klaus posessing Alaric, and Alaric was just fine after that.

Right, but the whole vampire/Original thing has me worried, so until I get Rebekak back, I will fret!

NOOO, shush! I'm worried enough about him already!

Sorry, I officially love to varying degrees all of the other main credited members ... except for him. :(

Huh, Rebekah/Matt. For a couple I hadn't given any serious thought until just this minute... yeah, I can see it. They could be cute together.

Exactly! I'm so rewatching their 3.14 scenes!!
jamdouradojamdourado on April 22nd, 2012 07:05 am (UTC)
I'm still trying to recover from all the DE awesomeness so I might not be very coherent here :D.
All the De scenes we got were perfect, I wasn't expecting it , when Elena was looking at Damon, it was like she was just trying to understand him and he sees it and there's this unspoken communication so he just lays beside without his wall, my OTP is flawless. And Rose's speech to Jeremy, I just wanted to cry, because it defined perfectly Damon and Elena's relation, he can be the best and the worst for her and it's the other way around too and I really can't see Stefan and Elena endgame after this, I just can't.
The Rebekah/Esther plot is amazing, specially if Rebekah is the one that turned Scary Mary, she'd be trying to kill herself and the gang will try to keep her alive. Please just don't kill Rebekah, the girl deserves to live a little.
And I didn't feel anything for Tyler's comeback, he suddenly came back, that's it?? I hope the sire thing is not over, I need a better storyline for Tyler.
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on April 23rd, 2012 01:15 am (UTC)
I'm still trying to recover from all the DE awesomeness so I might not be very coherent here :D.

I get ya, hon!

All the De scenes we got were perfect, I wasn't expecting it, when Elena was looking at Damon, it was like she was just trying to understand him and he sees it and there's this unspoken communication so he just lays beside without his wall, my OTP is flawless.

I loved it because it really has been building to this, so I'm quite pleased. :)

And Rose's speech to Jeremy, I just wanted to cry, because it defined perfectly Damon and Elena's relation, he can be the best and the worst for her and it's the other way around too and I really can't see Stefan and Elena endgame after this, I just can't.

Right. It's Damon/Elena, it HAS to be Damon/Elena.

The Rebekah/Esther plot is amazing, specially if Rebekah is the one that turned Scary Mary, she'd be trying to kill herself and the gang will try to keep her alive. Please just don't kill Rebekah, the girl deserves to live a little.

Yes, Rebekah for Original Mommy! PRETTY PLEASE!!

And I didn't feel anything for Tyler's comeback, he suddenly came back, that's it?? I hope the sire thing is not over, I need a better storyline for Tyler.

Or Tyler can just die at season's end, and then we don't have to worry about more story for him?! Yes/yes? Sigh, I'm so bad, but just, ugh, he makes Caroline boring. How can that happen!??! It's Caroline. But he does!!
Heather-Ann: DE Kisslinsell_farm on April 23rd, 2012 01:11 am (UTC)
First, kudos on another brilliant episode reaction post, Jenn. There is so much good stuff in this one, in particular. Also, your icon is perfection .. I just adored that moment when she reached back and touched his hand with hers <3

You did such a great job at analyzing all of the wonderful DE moments, and I totally agree with everything that you said. I've read and re-read your post, because your in-depth analysis just extends my enjoyment of this episode (that I've re-watched several times, as well). I really have nothing to add as you've covered every thought I've had.

I commented how cute it was to Sandra (my viewing buddy) that Damon said, "Thank you." to Jeremy.

Damon was totally and completely HOT in that lighter blue shirt with the longer leather jacket and his haircut. Such astonishing prettiness!!!

It was awesome to have Jeremy back. I loved all of his interaction with Elena and Damon and Rose.

The only thing I differ with you is the ending. It wasn't much of a jaw-dropper for me, as I called that Esther took over Rebekah's body and would be able to follow Evil!Alaric into the cave since it's a spell that keeping vampires out and Esther would know how to get around that.
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on April 23rd, 2012 01:18 am (UTC)
First, kudos on another brilliant episode reaction post, Jenn. There is so much good stuff in this one, in particular. Also, your icon is perfection .. I just adored that moment when she reached back and touched his hand with hers <3

It took me HOURS to write this one, but I had SO MANY FEELINGS that needed to be expressed. I had to icon that moment of the kiss. I knew that was it!

I've read and re-read your post, because your in-depth analysis just extends my enjoyment of this episode (that I've re-watched several times, as well). I really have nothing to add as you've covered every thought I've had.

Thank you, m'dear! :)

I commented how cute it was to Sandra (my viewing buddy) that Damon said, "Thank you." to Jeremy.

I just loved that moment.

Damon was totally and completely HOT in that lighter blue shirt with the longer leather jacket and his haircut. Such astonishing prettiness!!!

I honestly don't think that Damon (Ian) has ever looked better overall in an episode. Like EVER! In 62 episodes so far, this is tops!

It was awesome to have Jeremy back. I loved all of his interaction with Elena and Damon and Rose.

Yeah, I know. WHEE!

The only thing I differ with you is the ending. It wasn't much of a jaw-dropper for me, as I called that Esther took over Rebekah's body and would be able to follow Evil!Alaric into the cave since it's a spell that keeping vampires out and Esther would know how to get around that.

I wonder, did you watch the Canadian promo? That seemed to kill that for a lot of people. I dunno, it just really surprised me becausem, well, maybe I was just on such a D/E high I wasn't paying attention, LOL!
Heather-Annlinsell_farm on April 23rd, 2012 01:27 am (UTC)
I believe in giving credit where credit is due, but you're welcome all the same :D

I did NOT watch the Canadian promo (for which I am very, very grateful). I'm so glad that I wasn't spoiled for Elena initiating that hot-as-hell kiss. What gave it away for me was Esther taking Rebekah's hands saying how sorry she was and the timing of her falling lifeless to the ground.

Being totally distracted by the astoundingly epic DE stuff is definitely understandable :P I'm still so thrilled at how perfect and how *right* they handled this turning point in their relationship <3 It's no wonder I'm so obsessed with this show!!

ETA - I'm thinking that I need to snag your icon, again ... that moment needs to be on display regularly <3

Edited at 2012-04-23 01:29 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on April 23rd, 2012 01:40 am (UTC)
Ah, good for you then. It really surprised me. (But then I never guess surprise endings and such, LOL!) I'm so glad too that I did not watch the Canadian promo. I completely understand why Julie was so pissed about it.

Snag away, hon. :)
k_stjamesk_stjames on April 23rd, 2012 04:37 am (UTC)
What a beautiful and insightful post. I really enjoy reading your take on things because you point out all the little things that make things interesting, like Damon’s line about the next time they compel Jeremy. They are a unit no matter how rocky their relationship. Plus I think part of her extended checking him out came from all the distance between them, she’s hardly been spending any time with him lately and this was her chance to make up for being deprived.

I completely agree with everything that you said about Stefan except I think he is fully aware how much he uses emotional manipulation especially with Damon and Elena. It’s really sickening when you consider just how often he’s manipulated her to make himself feel better or get her to commit to him. I am also curious to see how he interprets their behavior next week, because I agree with you Stefan just doesn’t understand their relationship “Interaction that Stefan doesn't understand is just a part of their push-pull dynamic, and only sees as them not getting along.” So if he misreads their behavior and takes the invitation to the dance as a sign that is smooth sailing for him and Elena the fall with be that much greater. But I think he’ll be confused about how his awesome road trip plan didn’t work. I hope that the writers are very clear about why Elena is taking him to the dance and that Damon understands her motivations as well as he did a Scary Mary’s house because I don’t want him crushed right after he figured out he’s got a chance because logically there is no way that Elena should be able to go to that dance and let Stefan touch her given that Damon’s kiss is still burning her lips.

Thanks for sharing.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)01arabian on April 23rd, 2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
What a beautiful and insightful post.

Thank you. :)

I really enjoy reading your take on things because you point out all the little things that make things interesting, like Damon’s line about the next time they compel Jeremy. They are a unit no matter how rocky their relationship.

Yup, that's such a good way to put it. They just need to get back to that unit-ness for good!

Plus I think part of her extended checking him out came from all the distance between them, she’s hardly been spending any time with him lately and this was her chance to make up for being deprived.

Ooh, very good point; I do not disagree with you there.

I completely agree with everything that you said about Stefan except I think he is fully aware how much he uses emotional manipulation especially with Damon and Elena.

I think he's aware of them, but I also think he's convinced himself he's not being manipulative because that would be bad, and Stefan is the good brother, you know. It's a tricky line he walks, but the thing is that Stefan clearly fully has convinced of this somewhat distorted reality of himself that I do believe that he doesn't realize how bad it is what he does.

It’s really sickening when you consider just how often he’s manipulated her to make himself feel better or get her to commit to him.

Again, I don't think he realizes. I just wish that someone would call him on it every now and then, you know?

I am also curious to see how he interprets their behavior next week, because I agree with you Stefan just doesn’t understand their relationship “Interaction that Stefan doesn't understand is just a part of their push-pull dynamic, and only sees as them not getting along.” So if he misreads their behavior and takes the invitation to the dance as a sign that is smooth sailing for him and Elena the fall with be that much greater.

Yeah, I think he'll find out just how things progressed after he's had his happiness in thinking it's all working out as it should.

I hope that the writers are very clear about why Elena is taking him to the dance and that Damon understands her motivations as well as he did a Scary Mary’s house because I don’t want him crushed right after he figured out he’s got a chance because logically there is no way that Elena should be able to go to that dance and let Stefan touch her given that Damon’s kiss is still burning her lips.

I think it's going to be a bundle of confusion on Elena's part; and I agree, I do hope that Damon keeps his cool.
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Arabian: Damon10arabian on April 30th, 2012 12:17 pm (UTC)
I just really noticed those flickering lights and the wind whipping about. So elemental, and did add to the whole thing so beautifully. :D

It just makes the song's perfection for D/E even more obvious. <3

I know, right?! :D