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17 February 2012 @ 03:13 am
3.15 - 'All My Children' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Woohoo!! New Vampire Diaries episode!!! (We'll just ignore the month-long wait for another new one. Wah!)

I will confess that I was still emotionally bruised from last week's episode. (Yes, logically, I found a way for it all to work, but it still hurt like hell!) Because I was still emotionally bruised, I fought giving into the awesome of this episode until about halfway through before I finally just admitted to myself that the episode was, indeed, awesome-sauce. This was partly helped by the fact that the idea that sumeria put forward that Elena was only thinking of Stefan as more of a friend, someone that she needed to help find themselves as opposed to wanting to *be* with him really did bear itself out here. Honestly, ya'll, Stefan was such an afterthought in relation to Elena (and for Elena) except from Damon's point of view. Initially, I thought that the opening song was about the Stefan/Elena pairing, and that Elena was all moody and what-not when she woke up because she was thinking about Stefan because the phone call (reluctantly made) was to him. However, what followed made it clear that the song, Elena's mood, even Elena's phone call to Stefan was all about Damon.

After all, she had called Damon several times, and the point was made that we knew how many times, whereas there was just the one call to Stefan -- and since he'd taken her home the night before, she knew that he was fine, so therefore, yes, she was calling him about Damon. Because she'd called him several times and hadn't heard from him. When Stefan didn't answer, she tried Damon once again and after his short reply and hang-up, she went over to see him. And, yes, her 'get over it' was kinda heartless, but *that* confirms the idea that was presented in my defense of Elena points that she really didn't realize how badly she hurt him. Plus, let's get real ... when it's Damon about Elena, he ALWAYS gets over it, like that! She's just going with what she knows. Girl needs her wake-up call. It's coming. It's so coming! And going back to some thoughts from last week, I just remind myself that Damon did a lot of growing in season 02 (as Elena has done this season), but he also regressed, two steps forward, a few steps back, etc. and so on because that's how growth (that eventually sticks) generally works. Same thing with Elena too.

She's going to have to grow up herself. Remember the season premiere was all about Elena turning eighteen, becoming an adult. It doesn't just happen overnight with a number change. She's learning. And she's going to screw up. And her lack of empathy about Damon in this instance when she's normally so empathetic to everyone? Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process.

Ahem, moving along ...

Again, it was pretty much all about him. Upon arrival, seeing him with Rebekah, her focus was on him. Hell, Elena barely even acknowledged Stefan's presence once she arrived (again, making it clear the message she left for him was about Damon). Then, of course, when we next see her, she's been going on and on about Damon to Bonnie (and Caroline). Finally, while Rebekah did keep saying "boyfriends" (plural -- which, honestly, will never not crack me up), all of her actual commentary was about Damon, getting digs in about him with nary a mention of Stefan (of whom Rebekah has carnal experience with as well). And when Elena called her on it, she flat-out stated that Rebekah sleeping with Damon was about hurting Elena meaning that she knew that Rebekah knew that it *would* hurt Elena. So, Elena may have never said that she was jealous, but it was perfectly clear that she was, and that it really had nothing to do with Rebekah almost killing her. That statement to Damon had about zero percent of heat behind it. She was just grabbing for an excuse to explain why she was upset. Of course, it was interesting that while it was clear (without flat-out being said other than by Damon, in full snarky form) to everyone else that she was jealous, there was one person for whom it wasn't: Stefan. After Damon commented on Elena's jealousy, Stefan immediately refuted it, going with Elena's cover-up explanation instead. And I do wonder if Stefan actually believed that or was just convincing himself. Hmm....

As for Damon, did he believe that Elena was jealous? He probably did think that there was a little jealousy there, but more likely that it was based on him turning his attention elsewhere, as opposed to her being jealous because of her feelings for him. After all, he's clearly convinced himself that he doesn't have a shot with Elena at all anymore and is thus backing off. As I said in my Take Two: "Dangerous Liaisons" post:

Elena needs to acknowledge that what's been happening with Damon is a two-way street, and whether she wants to admit it or not, she HAS been encouraging his love for her with her words, actions, reactions and responses to him. If it takes Damon walking away for a bit and letting them deal with issues/problems without him, and him staying mostly out of Elena's life and having her realize that he does matter to her for it to happen, okay then!
And I do believe that this is where we are heading. Without the 'Damon not going forth to keep her safe' part. Keep his emotional distance, yes, but still save the day. (Because, really, without him there to do that, they'll all be dead.) So yay!

Also a positive side, I felt, is the difference to how they are tackling this Elena-issue. Stefan is once again playing the martyr, and keeps trying to level that same act at Damon. However, that is not what Damon is doing. Damon is not pretending to not care (unlike Stefan), he's just acknowledging the belief that it doesn't matter that he loves Elena; she doesn't love him and he'll never win her ... fair and square or otherwise. So, he's going back to his modus operandi of before: I'll keep her safe, even if she hates me for it. He's accepting that he'll never have her, so instead he'll be her bad guy.

Another difference between Stefan and Damon was how the Bennett bloodline was severed to save Elena's life. Stefan just kept talking, talking, talking instead of doing what the coin toss had decided he would do. Damon just walked up behind Abby and did it. And did anyone really doubt that Damon would be the one to do the thing, regardless of the coin toss? Of course not, because Stefan can clearly only make the hard choice when revenge (or his brother's life) is on the line. The question is whether Damon did it because he didn't want to give Stefan more to feel guilty about (as he said later), or because he wasn't sure that Stefan would pull through and do what needed to be done at the end of the day. A little of both I think.

So, this looks like -- starting with the last episode -- that it won't be a happy stretch on the road to Damon/Elena, however, I do believe it's all leading toward a stronger, deeper and more real reciprocated relationship with all the cards laid on the table, with both accepting and believing in each other completely. And on a more shallow note, while I will admit that I wasn't thrilled about seeing Rebekah in Damon's bed, the fact that we didn't see the sex scene there, as we didn't see Andie or Rose with Damon sexually in the bed either, gives me continued hope that when the show came up with that bed, the plan was for Elena to be the one -- the only one -- sharing Damon sexytiems in it.

And they so should because they are the most awesome OTP ever! Once again, Damon came up with the plan that saved the day (booyah!). Not once (dagger one of the Originals to keep them all down until the spell could be cast), and when that didn't work -- through no fault of his own, he was ready with plan B, that wound up keeping Bonnie's mother in the picture at least. And once again, Elena was proven to be WRONG about the person she trusted. On the other hand, and also once again, despite her über-stupidity in "Dangerous Liaisons" (albeit, utterly in-character über-stupidity), Elena showed her smarts again landing in that no-vampires-allowed room, and then reading Rebekah so well to keep herself alive (even if only to be Rebekah's torture-project). In their own ways, together, Elena and Damon really do make an awesome team, even when coming at it from different ends.

Okay, then, here's a bunch of randoms (some deeper than others) ...

- I seriously loved both of the Bonnie/Elena/Caroline scenes. The first one showed them being friends, discussing things in a natural, friendshippy-teenage-venting way, mixed in with the supernatural info and mumbo-jumbo with some nice comic relief from Caroline (who looked OMG!GORGEOUS in this episode!). Then, of course, there was the final scene with Abby stretched out on the bed, and Bonnie sitting at her side (so similar to the arrangement of Bonnie and Grams when she died in "Fool Me Once." {sobs}) Caroline telling her how much Bonnie loved Elena and was glad she was alive, but unable to deal with Elena at that time because in order to keep Elena safe, get Elena what she wanted, Bonnie had to suffer. I alternately wanted to hug Bonnie for her loss, Elena for her guilt, and Caroline for being such an awesome friend to both of them. Damn, I love these three and their friendship so much!

ETA: I've read some issue with the idea that Bonnie has lost so much, compared to Elena, but even while I love Elena, I also love Bonnie and I can see where that comes from emotionally. She had Grams. She lost Grams. Who was clearly her only and all support. She had Jeremy, she lost Jeremy because of all of the vampire/witchy stuff. Not fair to blame it on supernatural forces when much of that was on Jeremy's own feelings, but it feels like it when emotions and pain come into play, you don't look at logic, you focus on the pain. And now Jeremy is gone because he was a target because of Elena, through Elena's choice, using those supernatural forces to send him away. She found her mother, and now she's lost her life (although, she's not gone), of course, so that cut short bonding they could have had WITHOUT this crazy vampire mix added to it. She basically has Caroline and Elena, and Elena is all wrapped up in vampires, and Caroline IS a vampire, and Bonnie as a witch, instinctively is against vampires so to take comfort from the only two people she has, she has to overcome nature's voice pounding in her head about something that is wrong.

Yes, Elena lost her parents -- before this all happened. Yes, Elena lost John -- but she didn't love him, hell, she barely liked him. Yes, she lost Jenna. No question there. Yes, she lost Jeremy -- but not really, she simply sent him away for his safety so she wouldn't lose him. On the other hand, she gained Stefan, Damon and Alaric, and everyone else is constantly bending over backward to keep Elena safe, make Elena happy.

Comparing the two, it's easy to see where Bonnie and Caroline are coming from. At the end of the day, Bonnie is now a witch with a vampire mother and two best friends (one a vampire, the other in love with vampires). That's it. At the end of the day, Elena has a stepfather (which is technically what Alaric is), a brother safely tucked away, two immortal guys who are willing to do any and everything for her who both love her and she loves them, two best friends who are willing to do any and everything for her, plus a few Original vampires here and there who will help to keep her alive for whatever reason. I get where Bonnie is coming from. It's not even about a list of who/what you've lost, it's about the emotional fallout she's suffering through AGAIN because of Elena, fair or not. So, yeah, I see Bonnie's point of view, but I love Bonnie, so ....

- I've yet to be negative in this post, but, sigh, here it comes: I'm gonna say it, and I really, really hate doing so because I want to think nothing but the best of this show and its writers, but they screwed up with Stefan and this arc. It has been all over the place and has made no sense. There is simply no rhyme or reason to how he's behaved and I honestly can not conceive of how it can be laid out in a way that would. He's not compelled, but human blood is making him a sadistic, sick puppy. No wait, he is compelled, and he's suddenly NOT a sadistic, sick puppy, yet he has a nasty, snarky attitude. No wait, now he isn't compelled, and he's a snarky ass who doesn't care about anyone except Damon, and he goes too far and does horrible things. And, wait for it, now he's gone too far, and so he's not drinking blood and he's back to being the martyred, suffering Stefan again. Whatever. And I don't think I'm the only one 'whatever'-ing this as it really felt like Paul Wesley has just checked out. I'm just not feeling anything from him anymore (in this, and last week's episode).

Worst of all, it appears as if there really will be no consequences for his behavior, for what he did to Andie. At all. This frustrates me because there is a story there, and I want to see Stefan get to a place where he can live on bunny-blood, and not hate himself. Where he can find that middle ground, just as Damon needs to find his. The difference is that Damon's arc is being (and has been) beautifully crafted and nurtured along the course of the show. The same can not be said for Stefan, and I don't know if the blame is the writing, the actor, the very essence of the type of character that Stefan is, or maybe it's a combination of all three. I don't know. The bottom-line is just that he's no longer working for me and that does make me sad because once upon a time, Stefan was one of my absolute favorite characters.

- So Esther, Finn, Kol and presumably, Elijah have taken/are taking off. I am down with that. Pruning the canvas for a few episodes is NOT a bad idea. And we at least get to keep Klaus and Rebekah. I would have included Elijah on this list (or would have wept about his lack of inclusion) before the last episode and this one, but I've been really annoyed with this whole inexplicable Elijah/Elena thing. I mean, her complete trust in him? Yeah, she trusted him (sorta) at the end of the season 02 but that was out of necessity and before he, you know, BETRAYED her! That sappy letter at the end? Really? I mean, really?! A thousand-year old vampire who was turned in his 30's is that affected by an 18-year old of the 21st century? Really?!?!? Yeah, I don't buy it, even as much as I adore Elena, I don't buy it, and it really felt like this whole connection between them came from nowhere. On the other hand, I *liked* that he did betray her (again) and that Elena got (hopefully) a wake-up call that will stick that she can't trust everyone who is nice to her for five seconds! (Oh, Elena!) I also liked that Elijah realized that he's not this amazingly noble creature. As much as I love him, and do believe that he has a morality about him for sure, he still has and does do awful, terrible things and to have convinced himself otherwise ... {shakes head}. Really, Damon is the ONLY honest vampire on this damn show, LOL!

- Okay, yeah, Klaus and Caroline are really adorable, even when Caroline is playing him. Which he knew, thus the destruction of his MANY drawings of her. I loved him saying "let me acquit myself." (That along with Kol calling Rebekah a strumpet were little touches that I continue to like about the Originals, their speech patterns in small ways prove just how long they've been around, when they were staked, etc.) That was awesome, as were his attempts to get to know her. Oh, Klaus. When courting, he's just so ... well, adorably a dork about it. And when he watched her walk away in the Grill, I actually said aloud: "He's so smitten." Because, really, that is the key word to describe how he feels at this point, I think. Smitten. Klaus-y boy is one smitten kitten!

- On the other end of the romantic spectrum, it sadly appears that the Stefan/Rebekah awesomeness from "The End of the Affair" was pointless, unless Stefan's line about who Damon slept with was slightly about his jealousy over Rebekah. Nah, didn't really play that way at all. *Sigh* Such good chemistry, and SUCH a great story. I want to be wrong, but there has literally been NOTHING pointing to anything with them, heck even a reference to them other than Rebekah's line that she's done with Stefan until he treats her better back in "Ordinary People," and before that her jealousy and anger in "The Reckoning" (episode 05). So, yeah, not holding my breath. :(

- Erm, speaking of that one-night stand ... Rebekah's dress. Really, guys? You made it very clear that one Damon Salvatore ripped that dress right down the back, and yet, here's Rebekah the next morning, her dress just as lovely and finely-seamed as the night before. Okay, fine, here's my theory. We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is, so I've decided that he has a little sewing kit and with his vampire speed, stitched that baby right back up to its former pristine glory. :)

- The White Oak Tree is thriving again. Now the Scooby gang just needs a botanist on their team (hey, new Vampire girl from the next episode's promo goes by the name "Sage") and they're good to go! :D

- Hmm, wow, the first time I felt something in the Ric/Meredith scenes and it ends with her -- a human -- shooting him. This could be the end of Ric. Sadly, I'm not even as remotely as sad as I would have been before episode 08 of this season. He has been SUCH an asshole to Damon (and their phone conversation made it clear to me that we weren't supposed to be seeing it as such), that I just don't care as much. I don't want him dead, of course not, but him dying won't break my heart as it would have before.

- Now we know for sure that a witch can be turned, but once she is, she's no longer a witch.

- Speaking of, so when Stefan thought that he was going to be the one who had to sever the Bennett bloodline, he went after ... Bonnie? And not Abby? Really, Stefan?! You choose to keep around a woman you all barely know over Bonnie?!?!? Again, thank God for Damon! Who severed the bloodline, saved Elena's life, and did so in a way that at least kept Bonnie's new-found mother in her life.

- Didn't miss Tyler, didn't miss Matt either, but I didn't miss him less than I didn't miss Tyler. So, erm, can Tyler stay away forever? Please? Still miss Jeremy, though. :Pouts:

- So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season? Y/y? (Most likely Damon, unless Elena DOES choose to be with Damon, and then Stefan gets turned all human-y. Eh, still leaning towards Damon.) And if so, and if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.

Phew! Another episode, and this one a fabulous one, bringing us back to the glory of episodes 3-11 (minus 4). (And to be fair, episode 14 was great, it was just hard as a Damon, Damon/Elena fan -- and will probably play out much better once we've hit the finale). Hopefully, this starts a new streak of awesome to finish out the season with. I can so live with episode 4, 12, 13 and 14 being the only weak to not-totally-awesome episodes. :)

ETA: WOW! 100+ comments for this one, that's the most ever! Phew!
 
 
 
x5valex5vale on February 17th, 2012 09:35 am (UTC)
that Elena was only thinking of Stefan as more of a friend, someone that she needed to help find themselves as opposed to wanting to *be* with him really did bear itself out here.
Yep this is a good point. Both Elena and Stefan look like they have given up on their relationship, but of course Damon can't see it.

And yes it was all about Damon. She spent the whole episode talking about Damon to pretty much everyone.

So, Elena may have never said that she was jealous, but it was perfectly clear that she was, and that it really had nothing to do with Rebekah almost killing her. That statement to Damon had about zero percent of heat behind it.
So clear that I don't understand how some people didn't get she was jealous.

And I do wonder if Stefan actually believed that or was just convincing himself. Hmm....
*Stefan lives in denial*

Without the 'Damon not going forth to keep her safe' part. Keep his emotional distance, yes, but still save the day. (Because, really, without him there to do that, they'll all be dead.) So yay!
Me too and yes Damon doesn't want to be the hero. He actually is. Otherwise they would all be dead :)))

Damon is not pretending to not care (unlike Stefan), he's just acknowledging the belief that it doesn't matter that he loves Elena; she doesn't love him and he'll never win her ... fair and square or otherwise. So, he's going back to his modus operandi of before: I'll keep her safe, even if she hates me for it. He's accepting that he'll never have her, so instead he'll be her bad guy.
Yes yes yes. This is personal growth, the one Stefan lacks in.

Of course not, because Stefan can clearly only make the hard choice when revenge (or his brother's life) is on the line. The question is whether Damon did it because he didn't want to give Stefan more to feel guilty about (as he said later), or because he wasn't sure that Stefan would pull through and do what needed to be done at the end of the day. A little of both I think.
I think Damon did for both reasons.

but they screwed up with Stefan and this arc. It has been all over the place and has made no sense.
I agree. He is where he was back there and he has learned nothing from his experience. No sense at all.

He's not compelled, but human blood is making him a sadistic, sick puppy. No wait, he is compelled, and he's suddenly NOT a sadistic, sick puppy, yet he has a nasty, snarky attitude. No wait, now he isn't compelled, and he's a snarky ass who doesn't care about anyone except Damon, and he goes too far and does horrible things. And, wait for it, now he's gone too far, and so he's not drinking blood and he's back to being the martyred, suffering Stefan again.
This sums up pretty well what they have done with him.


The difference is that Damon's arc is being (and has been) beautifully crafted and nurtured along the course of the show. The same can not be said for Stefan, and I don't know if the blame is the writing, the actor, the very essence of the type of character that Stefan is, or maybe it's a combination of all three.
It's the same they have done in SPN with Sam Winchester. Sometimes I think it's a mixage of what you said, sometimes I think it's because when you have a character who lives on his own and it's easy to develop, the other main one suffers.



Sadly, I'm not even as remotely as sad as I would have been before episode 08 of this season. He has been SUCH an asshole to Damon (and their phone conversation made it clear to me that we weren't supposed to be seeing it as such), that I just don't care as much. I don't want him dead, of course not, but him dying won't break my heart as it would have before.
My thoughts exactly.

Speaking of, so when Stefan thought that he was going to be the one who had to sever the Bennett bloodline, he went after ... Bonnie? And not Abby? Really, Stefan?!
Amen.

So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season? Y/y? (Most likely Damon, unless Elena DOES choose to be with Damon, and then Stefan gets turned all human-y. Eh, still leaning towards Damon.)
I am not sure I would like it. I want my Damon to be the vampire he is now.

Arabian: Damon07arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:22 pm (UTC)
So clear that I don't understand how some people didn't get she was jealous.

Yeah, I read people bitching about how awful Elena is and getting hung up on her telling Damon to get over it (exhibit #536 why I don't like Carina MacKenzie -- she was one of them) to see how clearly jealous she was.

*Stefan lives in denial*

I tell ya! Reason #269 why Stefan and Elena do NOT work as a couple: They both live in denial-ville. :)

Me too and yes Damon doesn't want to be the hero. He actually is.

Right, he doesn't try to be the hero, he just is. :)

It's the same they have done in SPN with Sam Winchester. Sometimes I think it's a mixage of what you said, sometimes I think it's because when you have a character who lives on his own and it's easy to develop, the other main one suffers.

Well, I stopped watching SPN years ago, but I don't see it this way, but that could be because I don't think that Jared P. has a tenth of the talent, charm or charisma of Paul Wesley, and I don't think the writing staff at SPN comes near TVD, and I think that Stefan -- even at his worse -- is a much more complex character. But you don't know this about me. I have HUGE Sam-issues. CAN NOT STAND HIM.

RE: Damon being human again -- I am not sure I would like it. I want my Damon to be the vampire he is now.

I added this after your response because I was re-reading it for edits and stuff, and I actually think that could be a part of the story. After all, if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes now that he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.
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Alisha: Dr. Who (Donna & Rose) B&Wkalishaka on February 17th, 2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
One of these days I will be upset that you read my mind and write it all down before I can even start.

This episode, eased the pain of the last one quite a bit. Because honestly, last week's episode was not bad. Probably even a little great, but seriously, as a Damon fan, it just hurt. All of it hurt. Damon in this episode was just perfectly Damon, and I liked him taking a bit of his own back.

The opening, Elena's jealousy...hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. The scene with the three girls, and Caroline and her flawlessness this episode, hilarious! I have no other words.

I am, however, kind of over Stefan. They have him in this weird limbo place emotionally where he isn't really connected to anyone, except for Damon. Yet, all his scenes with Damon he continues to belittle and ostracize him. It's just awkward. I don't know how much of that is Paul checking out so much as the writer's not really knowing what to do with Stefan in regard to the main cast anymore. Excuse me as I connect to Kevin's past shows but it's very reminiscent of how distanced Dawson came to be from the rest of the cast to the point where he just had almost a storyline and setting of his own for a season because they just couldn't fit him into the flow anymore. They need to start pairing Stefan up with other people like Caroline or Matt. He needs a use. Even pairing him up with Tyler might have worked, they could have done a bonding experiment over learning to control their minds or something. Stefan just doesn't have a purpose anymore. The Klaus revenge is over, taken back over by the group, so now he's just standing around, inactive, without even the relationship with Elena to keep him relevant. It's a waste of the actor and the character.

Speaking on that note, Meredith's character, I cannot care. There has been next to no time spent developing her into anything more than something suspicious and bad so there was no surprise for me in the reveal or having the gun. And really I just feel bad for Alaric, whose relevancy has also gone down hill. I would say the writer's might have run into that wall where they just had too many characters to deal with but I honestly think just pairing them up could get more value.

The originals were flawless. Honestly, I have no complaints. I might love Rebekah so much right now that I don't even know how to contain myself. I am glad for the cut down though. I am looking forward to seeing this all come together at the end.

The idea of Damon or Stefan turning human is an interesting one. I hadn't thought about it, but I do like it. A lot. And honestly, while a part of me doesn't think it would stick, I do want it to be Damon. Not just because I love him more, but because I think you'd get a better story out of it. Stefan's horror at having to possibly exist without his brother. The 'idea' of the 'wrong' brother getting the second chance. And I don't know, I just really want Damon to get to have something that I believe would mean more to him than any other vampire we have seen on the show. Damon doesn't delude himself very often. He's very real about his vampirism and what it means, and he longs to be human. He's admitted it. Bias talking, but just once I want him to have what he wants. And, I feel like he'd go back, become a vampire again, because while human, he can't protect her and it would leave Stefan alone. I feel like he would finally get the chance to make the choice...and it would be beautiful. (I just can't see him being left human and I think it would be an amazing arc. And an amazing setting for many an au fanfic.)

Random note before I shut up, on the note of Stefan's 'jealousy' on Damon's sleeping with Rebekah and Elena being jealous about it. While I have a pretty good feel for what I was meant to take out of it, I am sticking with my headcanon belief that he was jealous on all three parts and could not decide which was worse: The loves of his life wanting his brother even for a brief moment, or the fact that right in that moment his brother had the attention of both and Stefan was not part of the equation.
Arabian: Donna Noblearabian on February 17th, 2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
One of these days I will be upset that you read my mind and write it all down before I can even start.

LOL! Eh, saves you on writing-time. :)

This episode, eased the pain of the last one quite a bit. Because honestly, last week's episode was not bad. Probably even a little great, but seriously, as a Damon fan, it just hurt. All of it hurt. Damon in this episode was just perfectly Damon, and I liked him taking a bit of his own back.

This, yes, this, this, this! ALL OF THIS!

The opening, Elena's jealousy...hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. The scene with the three girls, and Caroline and her flawlessness this episode, hilarious! I have no other words.

So true, so very true.

I am, however, kind of over Stefan. They have him in this weird limbo place emotionally where he isn't really connected to anyone, except for Damon. Yet, all his scenes with Damon he continues to belittle and ostracize him.

YES! This is why separating him from Caroline -- his ONE established connection, and not bringing any of the feelings from the 20's with Rebekah and Klaus into the present were such HUGE mistakes. The only one he interacts now with Damon ... and he's such a whiny, little bitch with him.


Excuse me as I connect to Kevin's past shows but it's very reminiscent of how distanced Dawson came to be from the rest of the cast to the point where he just had almost a storyline and setting of his own for a season because they just couldn't fit him into the flow anymore.

Hmm, that's a very good point.

Even pairing him up with Tyler might have worked, they could have done a bonding experiment over learning to control their minds or something. -- AND -- Stefan just doesn't have a purpose anymore. The Klaus revenge is over, taken back over by the group, so now he's just standing around, inactive, without even the relationship with Elena to keep him relevant. It's a waste of the actor and the character. -- AND -- Speaking on that note, Meredith's character, I cannot care.

Bunch of yups, I very much agree with you. :)

There has been next to no time spent developing her into anything more than something suspicious and bad so there was no surprise for me in the reveal or having the gun.

I mean, they are usually so good about developing these characters and they just didn't AT ALL with Meredith. I mean, I'm still not sure there won't be some twist when it comes back, but as for now, yeah, I don't care.

The idea of Damon or Stefan turning human is an interesting one.

I added this after your response actually when I was rereading my post, but I actually think that could be a part of the story. After all, if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes now that he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.

honestly, while a part of me doesn't think it would stick, I do want it to be Damon.

I don't think it would stick either, and I could see him making the conscious choice this time to be a vampire, like you said.

And, I feel like he'd go back, become a vampire again, because while human, he can't protect her and it would leave Stefan alone.

Yup, yup, yup!

Random note before I shut up, on the note of Stefan's 'jealousy' on Damon's sleeping with Rebekah and Elena being jealous about it. While I have a pretty good feel for what I was meant to take out of it, I am sticking with my headcanon belief that he was jealous on all three parts and could not decide which was worse: The loves of his life wanting his brother even for a brief moment, or the fact that right in that moment his brother had the attention of both and Stefan was not part of the equation.

I don't know, I can't see that being it, because wouldn't this -- The loves of his life wanting his brother even for a brief moment, or the fact that right in that moment his brother had the attention of both and Stefan was not part of the equation -- not have made Stefan's head literally explode?

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Heather-Ann: DE The End of the Affairlinsell_farm on February 17th, 2012 02:45 pm (UTC)
Drive-by comment while taking my morning break ... :)

I loved the way (and extent) that they showed Elena's jealousy.
Damon's arc has been much better handled than Stefan. I really have no idea what Stefan will end up being by the end of this season, and am losing interest in him as a character.
I'm very much enjoying Klaus being a smitten-kitten and Caroline is just make of awesome-sauce.
ITA that Caroline was just beautiful this episode.

Boo for the month-long hiatus :(
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on February 17th, 2012 05:41 pm (UTC)
Can you believe some people didn't see it as jealousy??!?!?

I really have no idea what Stefan will end up being by the end of this season, and am losing interest in him as a character.

Yeah, after the first part of this sentence, I finished in my head "and I don't care," which is essentially what you finished your sentence with.
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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: EW bedbadboy_fangirl on February 17th, 2012 06:12 pm (UTC)
To quote The Sixth Sense: People only see what they wanna see.

So, yeah, those who didn't see flat-out jealous Elena? Um, how crazy are you? She point blank asked Damon if he did this to lash out at her. I don't know how it could be in any more obvious that they are in a relationship, even if they've never made it official, on any level.

Anyway, moving on to something I saw differently than you: the whole Stefan/Damon coin toss business. I felt like Damon didn't show Stefan the coin and implied that he would kill whomever they needed to kill--and of course they wouldn't kill Bonnie (because Damon has actually grown, and tried to find a way around that--so different than 2x18, 2x19 Damon, YAY!), so Stefan was just there to be the heavy in case someone needed to hold Bonnie back so Damon could kill Abby. That was my take on it; Stefan was never going to kill Bonnie at all. ETA: and of course Stefan let Damon do that, because Stefan always lets Damon do the dirty work. At least this time he acknowledged it.

And if so, and if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.
OH THE ANGST. Gah, I might have to write a big bang this summer with that plot ;-)

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Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)06arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
So, yeah, those who didn't see flat-out jealous Elena? Um, how crazy are you?

Yeah, I read people bitching about how awful Elena is and getting hung up on her telling Damon to get over it(exhibit #536 why I don't like Carina MacKenzie -- she was one of them) to see how clearly jealous she was.

I felt like Damon didn't show Stefan the coin and implied that he would kill whomever they needed to kill

Except that in the later conversation, Stefan asked Damon why he did it clearly implying that Stefan believed it was all on him, and it never crossed his mind that Damon would do the deed. As for needing a heavy, maybe that was the intention, but it just didn't play out that way for me. If Stefan believed that he was the one who lost the coin toss, why did Damon need to be there to take Abby out? If it was planned that way, then Stefan would have known that Damon was going to go after Abby. He didn't, he was surprised that Damon did so (as how I read their talk later). And they didn't need a heavy, she and Abby are witches and not vampires. All either boy had to do was come up behind them and do the job. I dunno, just how it played out didn't make sense as anything other than Stefan trying to talk Bonnie into accepting the right thing before he killed her, and Damon coming up and taking care of Abby before Stefan could do his thing. I dunno.

I might have to write a big bang this summer with that plot ;-)

Write it, write it, write it! (And if you need a beta, I'll be happy to help.)


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sun_signsun_sign on February 17th, 2012 06:53 pm (UTC)
I read and loved your entire review, but I'm too tired to exchange any clever opinions, so I'm just gonna leave it here:

The White Oak Tree is thriving again.

She is the true queen of the show.

Arabian: Elena02arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
Hah! Yes, she is. :)
traciaknowstraciaknows on February 17th, 2012 07:40 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched it yet- after last week, I wasn't sure that I wanted to.

But, I'm so sick of the Damon put downs by the main cast- especially, by Stefan. They did this a lot with Pacey- with no one (and sometimes, even Pacey) ever really seeing how much he was changing- almost constantly for the better. Stefan is not the "good brother." There is no good brother. That's the thing about this show, everyone is guilty of something. No one has much moral high ground to stand on.

As I mentioned below, it would be really interesting if all the vamps could become human- but I'm thinking (completely my own thinky thoughts) it would be more interesting if Elena was turned and they spent the next season trying to turn her back into a human.

I'm really sick of missing the great writing and character development. Sigh.
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)03arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:58 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched it yet- after last week, I wasn't sure that I wanted to.

As I expected this week really makes what happened last week make a lot of sense and makes it even more clear this is about Elena waking up to her feelings about Damon, and Damon waking up to the fact that he can't sit around just pining for her.

I'm so sick of the Damon put downs by the main cast- especially, by Stefan.

That doesn't happen. Well, yeah, Stefan is a dick, but that's par for the course for him. Put it this way, I didn't feel sad for or enraged on Damon's behalf AT ALL in this episode.

it would be more interesting if Elena was turned and they spent the next season trying to turn her back into a human.

That is an interesting idea, BUT, I still think they are saving the Elena-turn for when she chooses to (to be with Damon).

I'm really sick of missing the great writing and character development. Sigh.

See, I don't understand this because it's still there (well, except for Stefan). Everything in this episode logically follows what happened in the last episode, and that did follow in what happened in the episodes before (whether we liked it or not). What happened in 3.14 set things in motion for important, necessary moves for Damon, Damon/Elena and Damon.
tams71tams71 on February 17th, 2012 10:40 pm (UTC)
Part I

Another difference between Stefan and Damon was how the Bennett bloodline was severed to save Elena's life. Stefan just kept talking, talking, talking instead of doing what the coin toss had decided he would do. Damon just walked up behind Abby and did it. And did anyone really doubt that Damon would be the one to do the thing, regardless of the coin toss? Of course not, because Stefan can clearly only make the hard choice when revenge (or his brother's life) is on the line.

WORD! Once again Stefan sits back and tries to reason with a situation instead of taking the bull by the horns and just doing what needs to be done. You’re right, it’s only when Damon’s life is on the line or the fact that Stefan is in “revenge” mode that he ACTUALLY acts. Let’s face it, even when the life of the woman he supposedly loves is on the line he can’t step up, grow a pair, and do what needs to be done. What does that say about his feelings for Elena? In contrast, Damon, even when his heart has been crushed and he’s trying to emotionally distance himself from Elena, he still puts her safety and well-being at the top of his priority list and does what needs to be done, even if it means Elena may hate him for it. For him, Elena may hate him, but at least she’s still alive to do it.

And on a more shallow note, while I will admit that I wasn't thrilled about seeing Rebekah in Damon's bed, the fact that we didn't see the sex scene there, as we didn't see Andie or Rose with Damon sexually in the bed either, gives me continued hope that when the show came up with that bed, the plan was for Elena to be the one -- the only one -- sharing Damon sexytiems in it.

Amen sista! As far as I’m concerned that bed is Elena and Damon’s bed and KW and JP had lots of Damon/Elena goodness in mind when they picked that bed and designed that room. We’ve had lots of great Damon/Elena stuff happen in that bedroom and bathroom and I have a feeling we’re going to get plenty more. And on my own personal shallow note - How effing hot did Ian look all stretched out in that bed with the sheets just barely covering him? Oh sweet lord! I watched that scene over and over and over...

Elena showed her smarts again landing in that no-vampires-allowed room, and then reading Rebekah so well to keep herself alive (even if only to be Rebekah's torture-project). In their own ways, together, Elena and Damon really do make an awesome team, even when coming at it from different ends.

Elena is no dummy. She’s a smart girl. I think landing in the room may have been an accident, but still once she was in there she worked Rebekah and kept herself alive. I 100% agree. Damon and Elena make a great team, even when they work alone. The two are linked in more ways than one me thinks ;)

OMG! The whole Caroline/Elena/Bonnie scene at the end grabbed my heart and just wrenched it. Although I’m not a Bonnie fan, the girl has lost just as much as Elena has and all to keep her best friend safe and alive. Pretty freaking amazing best friend if you ask me. I’m glad that Caroline was the one to be there for Bonnie because Caroline is usually the odd man out when it comes to the three-way friendship, so it was good to see her step up to comfort Bonnie and most likely be there for Abby when she wakes up. It will be interesting to see how Bonnie reacts to Abby if she transitions and what their relationship will be like if she does.
Arabian: Elena-Caroline & Bonnie01arabian on February 19th, 2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
WORD! Once again Stefan sits back and tries to reason with a situation instead of taking the bull by the horns and just doing what needs to be done.

A lot of people seemed to think that this was the plan, or that Damon and Stefan were working in tandem, but I even went through the sequence of events that we saw on screen, and it really makes no kind of logical sense any other way.

You’re right, it’s only when Damon’s life is on the line or the fact that Stefan is in “revenge” mode that he ACTUALLY acts. Let’s face it, even when the life of the woman he supposedly loves is on the line he can’t step up, grow a pair, and do what needs to be done.

Exactly! How anyone can not notice these glaring consistencies is beyond me. I just read something where someone referenced that Stefan has proven he would always do anything for Elena, and I'm like when? where? what channel? what version of this show are you watching?

What does that say about his feelings for Elena?

He loves her, but it's a very selfish kind of love where he puts his wants and needs first.

In contrast, Damon, even when his heart has been crushed and he’s trying to emotionally distance himself from Elena, he still puts her safety and well-being at the top of his priority list and does what needs to be done, even if it means Elena may hate him for it. For him, Elena may hate him, but at least she’s still alive to do it.

*sigh* I know!! That's my OTP!

As far as I’m concerned that bed is Elena and Damon’s bed and KW and JP had lots of Damon/Elena goodness in mind when they picked that bed and designed that room.

It's really the only thing that makes sense now. Three different women now he's sexed up and none of them have we witnessed him having any actual sexytiems in that bed with ... uh huh!

How effing hot did Ian look all stretched out in that bed with the sheets just barely covering him? Oh sweet lord!

Very, very, very hot!

I think landing in the room may have been an accident

I think it was an accident in that she was just running away at first, but I do think she recognized it once she got close up and thus that's why she went straight for what looked like a dead-end. She knew that Rebekah couldn't get in the room.

OMG! The whole Caroline/Elena/Bonnie scene at the end grabbed my heart and just wrenched it.

Yeah, I know. :(

Although I’m not a Bonnie fan, the girl has lost just as much as Elena has and all to keep her best friend safe and alive. Pretty freaking amazing best friend if you ask me.

She really has, and I'm kinda bummed at the amount of dislike and flat-out hate that Bonnie got for CAROLINE saying those words to Elena. Ugh.

I’m glad that Caroline was the one to be there for Bonnie because Caroline is usually the odd man out when it comes to the three-way friendship

It was that way in the beginning, but I haven't seen it as such in awhile. We've seen the girls all take turns comforting and being there for one another. Once Bonnie got past the fact that Caroline was a vampire, they've all been pretty good to each other, I think. I do think that at the end of the day, though, Bonnie and Elena are more besties than are Bonnie and Caroline, and Elena and Caroline, and that's why we see a bit more with those two now and again, but overall, they're MUCH better than they were in the beginning.
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tams71tams71 on February 17th, 2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
Part II

I don't think I'm the only one 'whatever'-ing this as it really felt like Paul Wesley has just checked out. I'm just not feeling anything from him anymore (in this, and last week's episode).

You are not the only one. Like we talked about last night, I feel the same way. I think that the first couple episodes you could tell that Paul was into the arc and was putting forth great effort to make it work, but I think he saw that the arc was dying and then he checked out. He just doesn’t seem invested anymore and quite frankly, I can’t blame him. What a letdown.

I love Klaus/Caroline; they are just too damn cute. Klaus and his courting behavior – Awwwww can he court me?

The dress thing, yeah. Your theory about Damon having a sewing kit and vamp-stitching it back to its pristine condition cracks me up. Unfortunately the ball was dropped and once again there was no follow through from one episode to the next. Fail TVD writers and PTB.

Forgive me, but even though Ric has been a colossal dick to Damon, I still love him. Please don’t let this be the end of my vampire hunter buddy! Yes he’s been awful to Damon lately, but he’s allowed to be a little peeved, Damon did snap his neck. I would be pissed too. Still, he is one of the few people (aside from Liz) that Damon can call friend. I want my bromance back!

Meredith – all I can see when I look at her is psycho Nanny Carrie from One Tree Hill. I don’t like her character and I wish she would die. She is pointless and I wish she would go back to Pretty Little Liars and put me out of my misery. And honestly I think Paul being one of the lead actors may have helped her get the gig, which I think is lame. There are so many other actresses that could have knocked that role out of the park.

So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season?

I’m leaning towards no on this one. I’m thinking that the spell was meant only for the five originals and now that the plan Esther put into motion has failed, the spell is null and void. She no longer has the Bennett witch bloodline to utilize and Bonnie stressed that Esther needed to harness Bonnie and Abby’s witchy energy, plus the energy of the long gone Bennett witches in order for the spell to work. She no longer has what she needs so I’m thinking the spell is broken.

I’m sure Esther and Finn will probably pop back up, but I think she would have to perform a new spell to accomplish her goal of killing her children. I also think that just because her children would have become human if the spell had succeeded that it would not have the same effect on all vampires. My theory is, even though all vampires are in some way connected to the Originals, the longer the Originals are around, the less it's their blood that sires new vampires. Not sure if that makes sense, but that’s my theory anyway.

If it did happen and Damon did become human again, I don’t think it would stick. While Damon has admitted that he longs to be human again, his human life wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. He always considered himself second choice to Stefan and he never really experienced true love from anyone other than Stefan and his mother (oh how I long for Damon/Momma Salvatore scenes). If he were to become human, I think he would enjoy experiencing what only a human can for a short time, but would miss the power and immortality that vampires have, especially if it meant there was a chance for he and Elena to be together for eternity. Also, how can he protect Elena and keep her safe if he is human? I’m sure it would play out well in regards to Damon/Elena as a couple in the short-term, but down the road I think it could be an obstacle or even a hindrance to their relationship.

It was a good episode and lived up to my expectations. I’m really looking forward to the introduction of Sage and the part she played in Damon becoming the man/vampire he is today. I only hope that her friendship/whatever with Damon will keep her from throwing him under the bus when it comes to fighting Klaus seeing as how we know she has a connection to the originals.


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Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on February 19th, 2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
Part 1 of 2 to your Part 2 --

I think that the first couple episodes you could tell that Paul was into the arc and was putting forth great effort to make it work, but I think he saw that the arc was dying and then he checked out. He just doesn’t seem invested anymore

No, he doesn't and that does bum me out.

and quite frankly, I can’t blame him. What a letdown.

Well, I do agree at this stage, it's a letdown, but I still do blame him. It's his job, he's an actor and his job is to put forth 100% effort to the story he's supposed to tell even if he likes it or not. (I mean, we all know how much Ian hates the mushy, softer side of Damon, but it doesn't stop him from rocking the hell out of it every time he has to go there). Perhaps if it felt like Paul was actually trying to sell this, and maybe had he been selling moments/layers of remorse, fighting it, etc. over the course of the season till now, we *would* be feeling for Stefan. We *would* be more on his side instead of just thinking he's a whiny, pathetic asshole. So, I dunno.

Yes, the writers create the character and the arc, but an actor can bring something significant and real to it (Daniel Gillies, case in point -- Elijah was originally not planned to be as Daniel played him, but they loved his take on it, and then loved everything he brought to the character, so much more than anticipated, that instead of killing him, they kept him on.) So, yeah, I am disappointed in Paul Wesley. :( I know it sucks if they are going somewhere with Stefan he would prefer not, but, again, it's his job, and he could have been layering Stefan with stuff this season that allowed him to not be so one-dimensional whichever state he was in.

The dress thing, yeah. Your theory about Damon having a sewing kit and vamp-stitching it back to its pristine condition cracks me up.

I am SERIOUSLY considering writing a little fic about it, hah! (And then linking said fic to Julie Plec, Caroline Dries, Michael Narducci & Evan Bleiweiss, all tongue in cheek.)

Unfortunately the ball was dropped and once again there was no follow through from one episode to the next. Fail TVD writers and PTB.

I refuse to believe it is anything other than Damon's mad sewing skillz so no fail for me! :D

Yes he’s been awful to Damon lately, but he’s allowed to be a little peeved, Damon did snap his neck.

Then they need to TALK ABOUT IT! The show takes such care and effort with the girls' friendship, I so wish they would do the same for the guys.

I want my bromance back!

You give me my bromance back and Ric can live. But right now, all I'm getting is a cranky asshole who is stirring up fandom-shit with this supposedly (but SOOO not so) inappropriate relationship with Elena (okay, this isn't Ric's fault, LOL), spending time with Paul Wesley's wife and being a dick to Damon. Not very fun or interesting to watch. I want my bromance back! I want to love Ric again, but I really, really don't right now.

I think Paul being one of the lead actors may have helped her get the gig, which I think is lame.

I don't think so; she's auditioned for other roles before and didn't get the job. I think they just liked her for this role.

There are so many other actresses that could have knocked that role out of the park.

Unfortunately, with the exceptions of Elijah, Andie and Rebekah, I don't think they've hit it out of the park with ANY casting since season 01. It's very sad. And yeah, I'm not including Klaus. He's grown on me, but I still can think of quite a few actors who would have been better as Klaus. I do wonder if they got someone new from the second season on for casting. Hmmmm....

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eolivet on February 17th, 2012 11:26 pm (UTC)
It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things.

THIS. Until you said it, I didn't get it -- and it has nothing to do with her being 18, IMO. He gets under her skin -- people say unthinking things at any age to those who get under their skin. I never thought of turning all those impulsive insults into something positive, but this makes TOTAL SENSE.

We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is, so I've decided that he has a little sewing kit and with his vampire speed, stitched that baby right back up to its former pristine glory. :)

HAHAHAHAHA!!! WIN. :D

I agree the light has gone out of Paul Wesley's eyes...give him some scenes with his wife, shake that boy up a bit. :)

TVD is in an interesting predicament with making the Originals SO engaging and likable (or at least love-to-hate-able ;p ) I wonder if one of them will become the Spike in their Scooby Gang... I really just couldn't BEAR to lose ALL of them!!! :(
Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on February 17th, 2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking they are working on doing that with Klaus with this Caroline angle. After all, he does desperately want to keep Elena alive, so there is that.

He gets under her skin -- people say unthinking things at any age to those who get under their skin. I never thought of turning all those impulsive insults into something positive, but this makes TOTAL SENSE.

Yup. :D
A lurking goblin marionettedanceinacircle on February 17th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
In the opening, I didn't get the vibe at all that she was calling Stefan about Damon. I got the impression that she was calling them both to tell them about the dead Originals thing, since she said the same thing to both - "we need to talk". She went over there because Damon was mean to her and Stefan didn't answer the phone.

Also with the coin toss, it read to me as they flipped, Stefan lost, they discussed, Damon said he'd do it, and that was that. Stefan said to Bonnie "one of you can't be a witch anymore", as Damon turned her mother. Stefan was distracting Bonnie, not preparing to kill her. Their later conversation, "I was supposed to be the one to turn Abby", shows that Stefan knew what Damon was doing, that's why Stefan was with Bonnie, not Abby. Divide and conquer.
Arabian: Kermitarabian on February 17th, 2012 11:49 pm (UTC)
In the opening, I didn't get the vibe at all that she was calling Stefan about Damon. I got the impression that she was calling them both to tell them about the dead Originals thing

No, she told Stefan that in the previous episode (I'm pretty sure) when they were at her house. And the "we" need to talk was to Damon.

That conversation between them at the end just read as Stefan surprised that Damon did what he did, so I don't see where you got that from.
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Wow, your reaction was absolutely wonderful.

"Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process." WOW. That's like DE-FAN Porno right there and I FUCKING LOVE IT.

Here are a couple I HAVE TO comment on:


"I don't buy it, and it really felt like this whole connection between them came from nowhere."

THANK GOD you feel this too. This whole Elijah/Elena connection is getting ridiculous. There's been so much emphasis on it since he got de-daggered. I really, really, don't like it either.


"He probably did think that there was a little jealousy there, but more likely that it was based on him turning his attention elsewhere, as opposed to her being jealous because of her feelings for him."

OUR BOY :( Yes, that's totally Damon. I hate when he feels this way though.

"And on a more shallow note, while I will admit that I wasn't thrilled about seeing Rebekah in Damon's bed, the fact that we didn't see the sex scene there, as we didn't see Andie or Rose with Damon sexually in the bed either, gives me continued hope that when the show came up with that bed, the plan was for Elena to be the one -- the only one -- sharing Damon sexytiems in it."

LOL YES. We are all very speculative of this 'fact' on Twitter as well. That sexy times will happen for DE in his bed.

"We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is..."

POINTS FOR BRINGING THIS FACT UP. KUDOS. OCD!DAMON FTW.

"You choose to keep around a woman you all barely know over Bonnie?!?!?"

My head!canon is Stefan is madly in love with Abby, like he's met her before. Yes, this is crack. But seriously, what other explanation is there for that shitty decision on his part.

"- So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season? Y/y? (Most likely Damon, unless Elena DOES choose to be with Damon, and then Stefan gets turned all human-y. Eh, still leaning towards Damon.) And if so, and if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire."

YEAH. THIS WHOLE THING. I mean, wow, the possibilities. I've written fic about this whole thing over a year ago because this storyline is actually lifted from the book series. Let's see how they'll handle this Damon!Human stuff in the show. Wondering what the writers will do with such an idea.


Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on February 19th, 2012 09:47 pm (UTC)
Wow, your reaction was absolutely wonderful.

Well, thank you very much. :)

"Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process."

WOW. That's like DE-FAN Porno right there and I FUCKING LOVE IT.


It's just SO TRUE! And I really don't understand why more D/E fans aren't seeing this, but are instead choosing to bitch out Elena. *sigh*

"I don't buy it, and it really felt like this whole connection between them came from nowhere."

THANK GOD you feel this too. This whole Elijah/Elena connection is getting ridiculous. There's been so much emphasis on it since he got de-daggered. I really, really, don't like it either.


It just really bugs me because it came from NOWHERE! Before the daggering by Klaus, she worked with Elijah ONLY out of necessity, yes, she was empathetic, but Elena is that with EVERYBODY (except Katherine, LOL!). Then he betrayed them (in a way, that yes, she could understand, but still). That was their interaction prior to the dance episode. So, no, it makes no sense.

We are all very speculative of this 'fact' on Twitter as well. That sexy times will happen for DE in his bed.

Every time we know Damon is having sex with someone that is not Elena and we don't see it on that bed, my hope rises to the fore!

"We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is..."

POINTS FOR BRINGING THIS FACT UP. KUDOS. OCD!DAMON FTW.


I am so thinking of writing a fic about this!

My head!canon is Stefan is madly in love with Abby, like he's met her before. Yes, this is crack. But seriously, what other explanation is there for that shitty decision on his part.

I can only imagine one of two things: The first is that he believed he could convince Bonnie to do it since she was willing to die for Elena before, and the second, if he did this, yeah, Elena would really hate him and thus he could wallow in martyred self-loathing forever!

Edited at 2012-02-20 01:12 am (UTC)
Thoughts= stars I can't fathom into constellationsthesicko1012 on February 18th, 2012 04:53 am (UTC)
Uhg, I wish I had time for a big long response to this post, but sadly I don't. Oh well, once again you match a lot of the same thoughts I did and anything you thought differently makes a lot of logical sense. So I don't really have much to add anyway.

I just want to comment on the potential human!Damon thing. I think it is entirely possible. Especially since Stefan has said numerous times now how he can't be good enough for Elena, which means Damon definitely can't be either. But SURPRISE! Damon's human again. I don't know, it just kind of seems like a good set up for this particular storyline.

At first I was hoping that they would wait to either turn Damon into a human or Elena into a vampire until the end of the series. I have this weird thing about things changing so much within a single character and storyline, kind of disrupting the atmosphere of the show. It's not that it is bad in general, I am just one of those people who hates change. But of course I would really like to see on or the other at the end of the series, for it would be extremely significant for Damon and Elena's relationship and their future. But now, I can actually see an interesting storyline here. No matter how much Damon misses being human and even considering the fact that he didn't want to transition in the first place, I would still say that he would have some huge problems not being a vampire anymore. Main thing it would be harder to protect Elena. Also, gosh, after nearly a century and a half with all those heightened abilities, suddenly being powerless would make him feel like he just got a BIG dose of vervain without ever being able to get his strength back. It would take A LOT of adjustment.

One thing that I am really really hoping is that IF they do make him human that Elena choose him BEFORE he turns. Otherwise all we are ever going to hear is that Elena only chose him over Stefan because he is human and eventually Elena will go back to Stefan once she realizes his vampirism doesn't matter (twu wuv prevails all!). So many wouldn't understand that Elena would choose Damon as he is and that their love is REAL.



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Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)05arabian on February 19th, 2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
once again you match a lot of the same thoughts I did and anything you thought differently makes a lot of logical sense.

I love fandom mind-twinsey-ness. :)

I just want to comment on the potential human!Damon thing. I think it is entirely possible. Especially since Stefan has said numerous times now how he can't be good enough for Elena, which means Damon definitely can't be either. But SURPRISE! Damon's human again. I don't know, it just kind of seems like a good set up for this particular storyline.

I agree; it really opens up so many character-driven possibilities that have been layered into the show from the beginning. :)

At first I was hoping that they would wait to either turn Damon into a human or Elena into a vampire until the end of the series. I have this weird thing about things changing so much within a single character and storyline, kind of disrupting the atmosphere of the show.

Aww, I've always wanted to have Elena choose to turn to a vampire at the end of season 05 (to be with Damon), and then we'd have season 06 be all about seeing a human to vampire transition from a LEAD character's point of view (since we did miss stuff with Caroline since she's not lead).

No matter how much Damon misses being human and even considering the fact that he didn't want to transition in the first place, I would still say that he would have some huge problems not being a vampire anymore. Main thing it would be harder to protect Elena. Also, gosh, after nearly a century and a half with all those heightened abilities, suddenly being powerless would make him feel like he just got a BIG dose of vervain without ever being able to get his strength back. It would take A LOT of adjustment..

Plus, add to that, it would kill him knowing that Stefan would live on without him, you know it would. And the pièce de résistance! When Damon turns back to a vampire -- as he so would -- it would be HIS choice, fully and completely.

One thing that I am really really hoping is that IF they do make him human that Elena choose him BEFORE he turns.

That's my theory on what's going to happen. Elena is going to choose to be with Damon towards the end of the season and then towards the end of the last episode, Damon will be turned back to human. That adds up this whole crazy new dymanic and non-Stefan-shaped obstacle to them.

Otherwise all we are ever going to hear is that Elena only chose him over Stefan because he is human and eventually Elena will go back to Stefan once she realizes his vampirism doesn't matter (twu wuv prevails all!). So many wouldn't understand that Elena would choose Damon as he is and that their love is REAL.

I'll be honest, I'd think that is what they are telling us. And it would really bum me out. Of course, if they are still sticking to this ludicrous 'must please all the fanbases -- never mind, that they ever seemed to think that was important to tell fandom during seasons 01 and 02 -- they may just go there to give the S/E fans that to keep them hanging on. In the end, though, I DO still 100% believe that Elena will choose vampire Damon, and she will choose to be a vampire to be with Damon. :)
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crowandfog: TVD: Damon I miss it more than anythingcrowandfog on February 18th, 2012 06:28 am (UTC)
I think I agree with most (like 95%) of what you said here.

Elena has a stepfather (which is technically what Alaric is)

I smile any time that someone points out this fact because (1) it is true and (2) it makes Alaric/Elena very, very creepy. People should recognize.

Speaking of which...what's up with everyone having so many love interests all of a sudden? It's like the writers are playing up every little bit of sexual tension that they can find. It seems like suggestive comments and/or body language are being added to each scene, and it's just weird. I should not be feeling romantic chemistry between every single character on the show.

Anyway, I don't have anything deep to say. Carry on.

P.S. I miss Jeremy, too. SO. MUCH.
Arabian: Jeremy01arabian on February 18th, 2012 06:50 am (UTC)
it makes Alaric/Elena very, very creepy.

See, this is what kind of bothers me, how does it make it creepy? There is NOTHING inappropriate with how Elena and Alaric act on the show. NOTHING. There are no lingering touches or looks, no inappropriate late-night bedroom chats, no lounging in skimpy sleepwear on either of their parts, no innuendo, no ... well, nothing. He is the closest thing that she and Jeremy had to a parental figure after they lost everyone else. When Alaric "moved in," Jeremy was there. Just because Jeremy left, Alaric should suddenly stop being there for Elena? They are not inappropriate, they've never been inappropriate, he is a father figure for her with a dash of older brother-ness. Period.

Anyone who sees anything creepy there is just ignoring the fact that Nina Dobrev's a pretty damn good chemistry-maker and, yes, she and Matt Davis do have some chemistry -- that doesn't make the Elena/Alaric relationship as presented on the show inappropriate or creepy. He is her stepfather technically, he is not-so-technically but the closest thing she ever had (to someone she cared about) to an uncle. There has never been a hint on the show that he is anything other than the adult figure in her life who is helping her in a familial way. Fandom (any fandom) just now pairs up any two pretty actors with any kind of chemistry and it develops in their perception into this thing that wasn't intended and isn't really there on a show objectively.

Sorry, you clearly hit a sore spot, LOL!

Speaking of which...what's up with everyone having so many love interests all of a sudden?

Yeah, see I don't think they are connected at all. I just don't get it.

On the other hand, I do agree with you that the show is being whack with that with regards to the press build-up on this whole WTF? Elena/Elijah thing, if not on the show. And that's it, it's in the press. On the show, this supposed "connection" between Elena and Elijah isn't presented as romantic -- again, it's people seeing the chemistry between actors and creating this "romance" out of thin air, regardless of whether it has any basis for reality on the show).

I am very annoyed with the cast/crew for playing into though because, my God!, don't they get enough flack over the the Damon/Elena vs Elena/Stefan shippers? Why on earth are they trolling for a third (as they briefly did with Matt/Elena -- which pretty much went nowhere, and again, REALLY didn't exist as anything OTHER than friendship on the show). Then the last few weeks, they were trolling for a fourth with Elena and Elijah. I swear, the press/soundbites/tweets, etc. from TPTB for this show need a crash course on how to not PISS OFF FANS ... because the are way to good at doing it.

It's like the writers are playing up every little bit of sexual tension that they can find. It seems like suggestive comments and/or body language are being added to each scene, and it's just weird. I should not be feeling romantic chemistry between every single character on the show.

See, I don't see it that way. I think the suggestive comments/body language is ONLY there for the intended romantic partners. I don't see it AT ALL with Elena and Alaric, or even Elena and Elijah. The former have a familial connection, and the latter have a moral connection (of sorts), there is nothing romantic or sexual at all in either relationship as presented on the show.

Yeah, sorry, really sore spot. This has been growing in bugging-build-up for me, and you opened the door giving me the outlet to discuss it.

It is cool to see us in agreement (almost entirely) about an episode again, though. :)

P.S. I miss Jeremy, too. SO. MUCH. </i. Me too!! I really, really miss him. COME BACK, JEREMY!

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roselani24: Ian and Nina close up #58 by arabianroselani24 on February 18th, 2012 10:04 am (UTC)
Part 1
Great review Arabian! :)

I wanted to re-watch the episode before I commented on it, so here goes.

Re Elena’s calling the Salvatores, specifically Damon and her wakeup call about him. So Much Word! I admit my gut reaction when I saw that scene was partial shock and disgust for how coldly Elena told Damon to get over it. She has used her emotional power over Damon deliberately before and seen the consequences hence the Damon being self-destructive comment so it really just rocked me that she could act like that when Damon openly declared he loved her (and it’s been obvious for almost a year at least). How blind she is! But, on a rewatch it also really struck me as in character for Miss Queen of Denial and for the expected rate of how fast Damon ‘gets over’ stuff. One of the great things about Damon is, let’s see if I can word this right, how he doesn’t take most things personally. Like Stefan snapping his neck and back in the last episode. He was over that pretty fast, more concerned with Elena’s foolish decision making.

And her lack of empathy about Damon in this instance when she's normally so empathetic to everyone? Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process. Perfectly said!!!! And a great reminder for me as a viewer that she is still very young and learning.

I also really got a kick out of how jealous Elena really was of Rebekah with Damon. She even told Ric! That for me was the real kicker because its kinda expected that she would vent to Bonnie and/or Caroline, but she certainly didn’t have to talk with Ric.

Okay, the rest is gonna be a breakdown by character, for the most part, lol, just cause that’s how I roll. :P
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)07arabian on February 19th, 2012 11:03 pm (UTC)
Great review Arabian! :)

You can call me by my name, Jennifer. :)

I admit my gut reaction when I saw that scene was partial shock and disgust for how coldly Elena told Damon to get over it.

See, that line itself never bothered me because, well, it just confirmed my belief that she didn't get how upset he was.

I also really got a kick out of how jealous Elena really was of Rebekah with Damon. She even told Ric! That for me was the real kicker because its kinda expected that she would vent to Bonnie and/or Caroline, but she certainly didn’t have to talk with Ric.

Yeah, I even missed that part in my recital above. Girl basically vented about it to EVERYONE she came into contact with, it bothered her that much, LOL!
roselani24: BFFs #15 by arabianroselani24 on February 18th, 2012 10:06 am (UTC)
Part 2

Let’s start with Ric. Him giving Damon a hard time for sleeping with Rebekah felt very in character for him as of late and also came across as a father being protective of his daughter and chiding of a friend he cares about too. Ric’s date with Meredith was also interesting in a mild way. He clearly doesn’t seem to be as at ease and as happy as he was with Jenna, IMO. In their interaction, it really struck me more as Ric needing another adult not wholly involved in the crazy situation he’s in with Elena and the Salvatore brothers but who was also aware of vampires and so on so he could just have someone to talk to. I think Ric just really needs another adult in his life who he can really talk to and trust. No lies like with Jenna. I still remember how happy and relieved he was when Jenna knew what was going on. *sniffles* I miss Jenna! Did I mention I love how Damon sussed out where Ric was and who he was with and was a bit protective? Cause really, I loved that. And I foresee one pissed off vampire in the next eppy when he finds out Meredith went after Ric.! Squee! :D

Ric’s discovery of Meredith’s involvement in the recent murders didn’t surprise me. Logically it works that Meredith wasn’t working alone because she knew too much when she came IMO. At this point, I highly suspect Meredith is working with Katherine. Or it may be the new character coming in the episode in March, Sage. The timing is a bit of coincidence to me. As for Meredith’s shooting Ric, well, getting shot doesn’t mean he’ll die. Plenty of people survive gunshots on TV. And he could still dive out of the way…if he had any survivalist instinct but Ric’s seems to be abnormally low, so who knows. Either way I won’t believe he dead until I see it. I refuse to believe that Damon and Elena just lost Ric. Refuse! Even though Ric’s been an idiot and jerk lately, I still love him. If I can like Elena despite her being an absolute brat the past few episodes, I can like Ric who is suffering an early mid-life crisis. :)

Stefan. Ah Stefan. I completely agree with your take on his story right now and also on Paul Wesley checking out in terms of his acting. Earlier this season, I felt he was really bringing it as Ripper Stefan, but now…I just don’t get it. We should have SEEN this stuff with Stefan! And Paul really needs to work on nuanced acting and adding layers without using words. I think we were meant to suspect Stefan wasn’t drinking human blood because it also fits the timing of when he really started to hide/fake he wasn’t feeling anything. Although I was watching “Homecoming” a few days ago and the final scene with Kat and Stef in the car really struck me. Kat told Stefan he had to let the feelings in because otherwise he wouldn’t be able to get mad enough to seek revenge. And he did. Stefan has been feeling, truly feeling, since he was freed of Klaus’ compulsion. First it was anger and the desire for revenge, but that seems to be how it usually starts. Once those feelings are felt by a vampire, the rest just seem to follow. The problem is Paul’s acting, in combination with the scripts, did not convey this well enough to the audience IMO. It was too remote and understated to even be noted.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric01arabian on February 19th, 2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
Him giving Damon a hard time for sleeping with Rebekah felt very in character

Yeah, it wasn't his comment that bothered me, that was very typical of the Damon/Ric relationship BEFORE. My problem is that with that quick conversation, it came across to me as if we were NOT supposed to get the impression that Ric has been a complete asshole to Damon for a few months now! Which means, there will be no follow-through, no fall-out, nothing, just same ole', Damon's treated like crap, moving along now.

I foresee one pissed off vampire in the next eppy when he finds out Meredith went after Ric.! Squee! :D

If Ric doesn't die, and we get some genuine affection/gratitude from Ric's side to Damon, I'll squee with you.

Logically it works that Meredith wasn’t working alone [...] I highly suspect Meredith is working with Katherine.

But Katherine would have NO REASON to take out the council. She knows that Damon is the head of it, and he isn't going to have them target her anymore.

As for Meredith’s shooting Ric, well, getting shot doesn’t mean he’ll die. Plenty of people survive gunshots on TV.

Very true.

If I can like Elena despite her being an absolute brat the past few episodes

Aww, see I don't think she's been a brat at all. :( Even in my emotional post after 3.14, I wasn't mad at my poor Elena, I blamed my issues with her all on Stefan, LOL!

I can like Ric who is suffering an early mid-life crisis. :)

Hah! That could be the answer right there!

Earlier this season, I felt he was really bringing it as Ripper Stefan, but now…I just don’t get it.

I have to say that I'm not even feeling that so much now either due to some responding I've done to people in this thread. Perhaps if it felt like Paul was actually trying to sell this, and maybe had he been selling moments/layers of remorse, fighting it, etc. over the course of the season till now, we *would* be feeling for Stefan. We *would* be more on his side instead of just thinking he's a whiny, pathetic asshole. So, I dunno. Yes, I know it sucks if they are going somewhere with Stefan he would prefer not, but it's his job, and again, he could have been layering Stefan with stuff this season that allowed him to not be so one-dimensional whichever state he was in. Because, when you think about it, he DID make Ripper!Stefan pretty one-dimensional, and compelled-revenge-kick!Stefan was one-dimensional, and now we're back to two different sides of ass-y Stefan and martyred Stefan, but they're both one-dimensional and they simply do not co-exist. I mean, think of my favorite Damon moment from season 01 when he told Stefan that he didn't get to feel his guilt, that it was Damon's to feel, if he wanted to. Damon was being an asshole to Stefan (especially considering what Stefan had just put himself through), and yet, even through that, we still got layers, we got Damon's self-loathing, his love for his brother. We got layers.

We should have SEEN this stuff with Stefan! And Paul really needs to work on nuanced acting and adding layers without using words.

HAHAHAHAH! I read this post of yours after you wrote it, but didn't have time to respond until now, and have just been responding along as I read each section, and to see you wrote a much more succinct version of what I just did above, LOL!

I think we were meant to suspect Stefan wasn’t drinking human blood because it also fits the timing of when he really started to hide/fake he wasn’t feeling anything. [...] Kat told Stefan he had to let the feelings in because otherwise he wouldn’t be able to get mad enough to seek revenge. [...] Stefan has been feeling, truly feeling, since he was freed of Klaus’ compulsion. [...]The problem is Paul’s acting, in combination with the scripts, did not convey this well enough to the audience IMO. It was too remote and understated to even be noted.

This above actually makes me lay the blame more squarely on Paul frankly. Because obviously it HAS been there in the scripts. It's the actor who didn't play it out. :(
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roselani24: Damon 15 by arabianroselani24 on February 18th, 2012 10:10 am (UTC)
Part 3

Finally, Damon. Damon, Damon, Damon. Wow, he blew me away this episode! Talk about showing growth and selflessness and cleverness! I especially liked Damon standing his ground with Elena and how he took charge of the rescue/decision making. He is without a doubt the ring leader of the Mystic Falls group!

Heck, both Klaus and Elijah took time to address and threaten Damon directly via killing Elena and Damon himself. Ric got thrown into a wall and Stefan knocked into the stairs. Otherwise, it was like they weren’t there at all! Klaus and Elijah both had their eyes on Damon and knew he was the one who came up with the plan to dagger Kol and thus take the other Original siblings out (woot, and I seriously LOVE how Damon utilized the knowledge he had to avoid doing what Elijah had demanded he do). And they zeroed in on Damon as knowledgeable of where the witches were. Funny how Damon is the go-to vampire for info on witches even though the dead witches seem to hate his guts most of the time (there is the occasional truce between them). Hee! Not surprising given what he had to learn to break the tomb spell and also protecting the Bennett line. Makes me wonder what else he knows. He claims to not know how the witchy stuff works, but he knows enough to work out the basic mechanics of how to use it to his advantage or break a spell. Heh.

Speaking of the Bennett line, Emily demanding Damon protect her descendants is looking more and more like pure manipulation to preserve the chance of Esther being restored to bring balance to the Force, oh I mean nature. And given how quick Emily was to turn on Damon and break his trust by destroying the crystal needed to help free Katherine, my dislike for the so-called ‘servants of nature’ continues to grow. I see no reason for Emily to not have known Katherine was not in the tomb. She could have told Damon, shown him proof. But she didn’t bother to reveal this to Damon because she needed him to protect the Bennett family line. Grrrrrr! Still think Damon was in Mystic Falls when Abby went up against Mikael, or at the very least came to check on Abby, Bonnie, and Shelia soon after. He gave his word and he clearly kept his word right up until the moment Emily broke their deal. But that’s just me. :)

Which brings me to Damon turning Abby. I admit I wasn’t surprised Damon did the deed or that Abby was the target. Abby, to me, is a lot like Bill in that she really wasn’t liked or welcomed by the residents of Mystic Falls (and fans alike) and initially for good reasons. So it always strikes me as weird how upset everyone (ie the characters) gets about what happened to them. Bill was, to be frank, a jackass and I feel nothing for him as a character or his death. I was sad for Caroline at having to lose him, but otherwise nothing. Abby was extremely selfish leaving her daughter behind like she did. Unlike Bill, however, she really had to deal with the consequences of her actions via Bonnie’s coldness and righteous anger/hurt and I feel like she was actually trying to make amends. But she also never seemed comfortable with her powers as a witch and it makes me wonder again about the untold story about what happened when Abby took on Mikael. This leads me to wonder is Damon turning Abby make actually be somewhat of a relief for her. Well, maybe not relief, but I dunno. Caroline has thrived as a vampire, growing in confidence and into herself as a woman. I just wonder if Abby won’t have the same chance…and wouldn’t it be something to see Damon actually being the one to teach Abby about being a vampire like Stefan taught Caroline? For some reason, the idea of Damon taking up the mantle as a teacher excites me. We know he did with Isobel, him “teaching her where to find the best digs. And with Vikki, he urged her to learn what it meant to be a vampire granted to the detriment of everyone because Vikki was such a selfish, two-timing…grrrrrrr. Sorry, but I never liked Vikki at all. I hate her more than Lexi!


Arabian: Damon13arabian on February 19th, 2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
Talk about showing growth and selflessness and cleverness!

And this is partly why I can not be mad at Elena. Last season was all about breaking Damon down and helping him get to a place where he can be THIS guy, and we are seeing the same happen with Elena now. I can't imagine we won't get the rewarding moments like this with her too!

how he took charge of the rescue/decision making. He is without a doubt the ring leader of the Mystic Falls group!

Yeah, Damon's the BOSS!

Heck, both Klaus and Elijah took time to address and threaten Damon directly via killing Elena and Damon himself. Ric got thrown into a wall and Stefan knocked into the stairs.

Hah! I didn't even notice that, but you're totally right. Everyone knows that Damon (and Elena -- when she's there) are the leaders. It may be Damon and Bonnie who get shit done, but it's Damon and Elena who make the calls. They are the alphas, the others are all followers.

wouldn’t it be something to see Damon actually being the one to teach Abby about being a vampire like Stefan taught Caroline? For some reason, the idea of Damon taking up the mantle as a teacher excites me.

I think I'm one of the few who really has no interest in seeing that side of Damon simply because I do think it's a bit out of character. He simply doesn't have the patience, or frankly, care enough about those he's turned to do this. And, I think that when Elena turns for him, it WILL show yet another side of how special she is to him, that he will do that for her (if we get time to see her transitioning after the turn).

(BTW: I did like all you had to say about Bill, and Abby, I just had nothing to add to it.)

We know he did with Isobel, him “teaching her where to find the best digs. And with Vikki, he urged her to learn what it meant to be a vampire

Yeah, but he just did shallow, surface stuff there, there was nothing long-term and truly important about living emotionally/psychologically as a vampire in that that we saw.

Vikki was such a selfish, two-timing…grrrrrrr. Sorry, but I never liked Vikki at all. I hate her more than Lexi!

Oh, I never liked her either. (But I still dislike Lexi more because at least Vickie was a screwed up kid who never got a break.)
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roselani24roselani24 on February 18th, 2012 10:11 am (UTC)
Part 4

Back to Abby with Damon being her mentor. Of course because I wish Damon would be her mentor that probably means it will actually be Caroline to teach Abby if she chooses to follow through with the transition. But oh, perhaps Stefan could help and start to regain some purpose since his storyline has basically been jacked and it would allow time for some Stefan reflections and growth! That would make me very happy.

Damon also continues to show just how much and how deeply he loves by being the one to kill/turn Abby so Stefan wouldn’t have to, thus giving Stefan a chance still with Elena in Damon’s mind. And he’s accepted Elena’s rejection and still loves her, will still protect her, but he’s stepping back. Should be interesting to see how that plays out with his old friend Sage coming on the scene. I look forward to seeing how she shaped Damon into the vampire he is and how her influence and teaching methods differed from Lexi’s. Lexi was Stefan’s mentor and we saw how they operated and how Lexi utterly failed Stefan. Damon’s mentor comes on the scene nearly fifty years after he was turned. It will certainly be fascinating to see the different learning curve Damon had.
A couple more things and then I’ll hush up.
The flipping the coin scene between Damon and Stefan. I want to address this specifically cause a couple things really stood out to me. Like I said earlier, I never doubted that Damon would be the one to do the actual deed despite the coin toss. BUT, the talk prior to the toss was very enlightening. Before, Damon didn’t stop to consider the situation and generally just acted to protect Elena and screw everyone else over in the process no matter who. This time Damon was acutely aware of it, acknowledged it, and made his decision to do what he had to save Elena, his brother, and in a twisted way, save Abby and Bonnie. Abby is not dead. She is not gone permanently from Bonnie’s life yet. Damon clearly cares about Bonnie, respects her I think, and did not want to hurt her. Which is more than I can say for Stefan. The other thing was Damon willingly taking up the mantle as the resident ‘villian’ who does the dirty work. A lot like Wolverine in my mind, a character capable of great good but also great evil because of who and what he was as a mutant with healing abilities and claws, or in Damon’s case teeth and healing.

The Originals. Esther continues to not impress and I’m really bothered by how she’s so caught up in the witchy ‘balance of nature’ she’s willing to murder her children again. Because while Mikael did the deed for the original spell to make them immortal, it was Esther who developed and cast the spell on the family. She was the one who instructed Mikael on how the spell must be completed. She murdered them as surely as Mikael drove his sword through them
Arabian: Damon10arabian on February 19th, 2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
it will actually be Caroline to teach Abby [...] perhaps Stefan could help

Alas, a recent interview, Candice mentioned that she and Paul haven't been working together and I believe they are filming 19 right now. Ah well.

Damon also continues to show just how much and how deeply he loves by being the one to kill/turn Abby so Stefan wouldn’t have to, thus giving Stefan a chance still with Elena in Damon’s mind.

Because Damon is awesome.

And he’s accepted Elena’s rejection and still loves her, will still protect her, but he’s stepping back.

Because Damon is awesome.

Should be interesting to see how that plays out with his old friend Sage coming on the scene.

I am VERY curious to see how Elena reacts to a female with Damon that she CAN'T blame her upset with 'but ... what she did to me!' on. Uh huh.

I look forward to seeing how she shaped Damon into the vampire he is and how her influence and teaching methods differed from Lexi’s.

Based on the preview solely, it seems like she came from more the Katherine school of thought. It definitely looks as if she taught him to use the sensuality of a vampire as well.

I never doubted that Damon would be the one to do the actual deed despite the coin toss.

Right, because that's how Damon rolls. He makes the hard choices.

BUT, the talk prior to the toss was very enlightening. Before, Damon didn’t stop to consider the situation [...] This time Damon was acutely aware of it, acknowledged it, and made his decision to do what he had to save Elena, his brother, and in a twisted way, save Abby and Bonnie.

I KNOW, RIGHT?!?!??! Someone above mentioned how they were upset that no one seemed to care about the collateral damage if it meant saving Elena, and I was like -- noooo! The only ones who knew that there would be collateral damage of their group (beyond Damon's plan to use the dagger) was the brothers and neither Damon nor Stefan seemed pleased with having to take a Bennett out, it wasn't that they didn't care, in fact, they were looking for other options. It was just their final option.

Damon clearly cares about Bonnie, respects her I think, and did not want to hurt her. Which is more than I can say for Stefan.

Again, but I KNOW, RIGHT?!?!??!

The Originals. Esther continues to not impress and I’m really bothered by how she’s so caught up in the witchy ‘balance of nature’ she’s willing to murder her children again.

I just, yeah, I think I'm pretty alone in this, but I'm REALLY okay with it. It IS about the balance of nature. Because of what she did, literally THOUSANDS (possibly hundreds of thousands, and even potentially millions!) of people have died horrific, awful deaths, they have been unwilling blood banks and compelled, casually and/or cruelly, their free will taken away. Many vampires clearly do NOT choose to turn the humanity switch on for the first 200 years, and there are a LOT of vampires out there, and so all of the vampires leave a LOT of death and destruction in their wake. Heck, even "good" vampires casually compel people, taking away their free will.

Esther loves her children, I do not doubt that, but she set in motion a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE thing and taking them out IS a very necessary evil for a witch -- who is guided so forcefully to restore the balance of nature and to take out vampirism. I can't help it, I feel for her, and I understand where she is coming from. Whether we love our vampires or not, the very real fact of the matter is that VAMPIRES ARE NO GOOD! And she's had one thousand years of watching the destruction that her children have wrought due to her and having one thousand years of her fellow witches making it clear how very wrong and evil they are. I get it; I get her point of view.

it was Esther who developed and cast the spell on the family.

And that adds a whole other level of guilt to everything I said above.

She was the one who instructed Mikael [..] She murdered them as surely as Mikael drove his sword through them

Yes, she did. And now she is paying the ultimate sacrifice, her own soul likely, for what she is doing ... to make right a horrible, horrible wrong that she created.

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Part 5 (geez, I had a lot to say I guess *is sheepish*)

While I still like Elijah, I was not impressed this episode and I really, really, REALLY don’t like this out-of-the-blue friendship between him and Elena. I’m calling bull on that. That letter at the end had me rolling my eyes. Kol remains unimpressive and I was amused by how fast Ric took him out at the Grill. Finn is an interesting character, though we haven’t seen much, and I’m curious to learn more about him. Klaus is/was so smitten with Caroline and it was frankly adorable. Smitten kitten indeed! His reaction to learning of Esther’s betrayal was also very interesting and showed a marked difference between his re-action to Mikael. If anything, I’d say Mikael hurt Klaus more than Esther emotionally and yet Klaus still wanted to prove himself to him. With Esther, Klaus was completely unimpressed and ready to kill Esther again. I think Klaus hates Esther more than Mikael because with Esther he was indifferent whereas Mikael sent him into a whirlwind of emotions. Granted, that could also be attributed to him believing Esther dead for a thousand years whereas Mikael was not. Though it does make me wonder why Klaus was carting Esther around in a coffin if he didn’t know she could still come back. Lastly, but certainly not least, Rebekah. She was great this episode! I loved how she went after Elena and was so snarky and yet vulnerable. She was very rounded in this episode, from her interaction with Elijah at the beginning when Elijah mentions his concerns about what Esther to up to, to the face-off with Elena, to her final talk and re-joining sides with Klaus. Nicely done writers!

I’m a little meh on the great white oak tree coming back (and the fact Ric didn’t realize what the heck it was given he and Bonnie were really studying the drawings on the wall. Fail show!) and all I have to say is, I expect there to be some actual payoff if/when the tree is located. One or two of the Original sibs has to die if only to give the Mystic Falls gang a win for something. If not I’ll be seriously peeved.

Final comments:
Still miss Jeremy, though. :Pouts: ME Too!!!!!
All in all, I liked this episode a lot more than last week. Why do we have to wait until March 15 for the next one??

Arabian: Damon & Jeremy01arabian on February 19th, 2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
Part 5 (geez, I had a lot to say I guess *is sheepish*)

You do realize that my initial post is over 3,000 words, right? ;)

I really, really, REALLY don’t like this out-of-the-blue friendship between him and Elena. I’m calling bull on that.

THIS! Before the daggering by Klaus, she worked with Elijah ONLY out of necessity, yes, she was empathetic, but Elena is that with EVERYBODY (except Katherine, LOL!). Then he betrayed them (in a way, that yes, she could understand, but still). That was their interaction prior to the dance episode. So, no, it makes no sense.

His reaction to learning of Esther’s betrayal was also very interesting and showed a marked difference between his re-action to Mikael. If anything, I’d say Mikael hurt Klaus more than Esther emotionally and yet Klaus still wanted to prove himself to him. With Esther, Klaus was completely unimpressed and ready to kill Esther again.

That is true, and very interesting, especially considering the fact that Mikael isn't even his biological father.

I think Klaus hates Esther more

Well, it was all her fault. She cheated on Mikael, she betrayed who he thought was his father, and it was her fault then that Mikael didn't love him (in Klaus' twisted perception).

Though it does make me wonder why Klaus was carting Esther around in a coffin if he didn’t know she could still come back.

Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.

[Rebekah] was great this episode! I loved how she went after Elena and was so snarky and yet vulnerable. She was very rounded in this episode, from her interaction with Elijah at the beginning when Elijah mentions his concerns about what Esther to up to, to the face-off with Elena, to her final talk and re-joining sides with Klaus.

I also loved SO MUCH that they made it clear her anger at Elena was about a very real teenage girl-to-girl thing, and not the stupid boys, LOL!

I’m a little meh on the great white oak tree coming back

Sorry, we must disagree; I think it's AWESOME!

(and the fact Ric didn’t realize what the heck it was given he and Bonnie were really studying the drawings on the wall. Fail show!

Oh, I disagree, why would they know that? That's a whole different sort of knowledge. Botany! Ric don't know nuthin' bout no trees!

I expect there to be some actual payoff if/when the tree is located. One or two of the Original sibs has to die if only to give the Mystic Falls gang a win for something. If not I’ll be seriously peeved.

I absolutely expect this.

All in all, I liked this episode a lot more than last week.

I think that last week will play out MUCH better when the season is done personally. It was a really strong episode; even the Elena/Elijah stuff wasn't that over-the-top last week as it was this week. It was just the breaking of our Damon, Damo/Elena-hearts that made last week so tough. But the end result (I do believe) will make it all worth it and we'll be able to appreciate what that episode set up.

Why do we have to wait until March 15 for the next one??

I have no fricking clue! Why does the CW keep pulling their highest-rated show from full sweeps months?!?! I get it for the last week in November because of Thanksgiving, but February (which they've never done before) and May (the finale always airs the 2nd week of May) makes NO SENSE!

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Bogwitch: TVD - Elenabogwitch on February 18th, 2012 11:13 am (UTC)
>>I thought that the opening song was about the Stefan/Elena pairing, and that Elena was all moody and what-not when she woke up because she was thinking about Stefan because the phone call (reluctantly made) was to him. However, what followed made it clear that the song, Elena's mood, even Elena's phone call to Stefan was all about Damon.

Indeed. That cut to Stefan was very manipulative and deceiving, but there is nothing about the scene that implies her tossing and turning as anything to do with him - she's even clutching her bear when she wakes. This scene is ALL about her Damon feelings. I'd like to know how that scene at the Boarding House would have gone without Rebekah.

This show and its makes-no-sense-at-all-history! Elijah's words to Elena about the horses is such a massive clunk to me every time I watch it since horses came over with the Spanish about 500 years after the time he's talking about. I can only guess that he's so old, he gets confused, the poor old dear.

Arabian: Elena01arabian on February 20th, 2012 12:10 am (UTC)
Indeed. That cut to Stefan was very manipulative and deceiving, but there is nothing about the scene that implies her tossing and turning as anything to do with him - she's even clutching her bear when she wakes. This scene is ALL about her Damon feelings.

Yup; it really struck me as the first time I've seen them fully successfully appeal to all three fanbases (Damon/Elena, Elena/Stefan, OT3). Now, admittedly, a lot of Damon/Elena fans have chosen to ignore the OBVIOUS and are still griping about Elena being hung up on Stefan, but if you really pay attention to the scene, it does truly play that it is ALL ABOUT DAMON. However, OT3 fans can take that it's about all three, and S/E fans can take that it was about Stefan -- hell, they might even suggest that her 10x calls to Damon were about Stefan. It was ambiguous enough to open the door to those perceptions. I just believe that when taking everything that happened in the last episode and in this episode into account, it is clearly about Damon. I do loe that for you who doesn't really uber-ship, you saw that it was about Damon. Uh huh. ;)

I'd like to know how that scene at the Boarding House would have gone without Rebekah.

I think it would have wound up being the same ole Elena in denial, and that would have been it. We would have stayed in stasis; with Rebekah there, it opened the door a teeny bit for Elena to realize that if she wants Damon to be hers 100%, she's gonna have to step up to the plate! :)

This show and its makes-no-sense-at-all-history! Elijah's words to Elena about the horses is such a massive clunk to me every time I watch it since horses came over with the Spanish about 500 years after the time he's talking about. I can only guess that he's so old, he gets confused, the poor old dear.

Hah! didn't even catch that at all, cuz I didn't know any better. I have to laugh though because it was brought up about the fashions not being right and I think the wardrobe person said: If people are watching this show for historical accuracy, they are watching the wrong show. So whenever something historically inaccurate pops up, I think of that quote and crack up. :D
La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on February 18th, 2012 06:54 pm (UTC)
Just so you know, I had to read this in like four sittings because it was made of awesome, and it was really really really long.

I pulled out some choice quotes.

So, he's going back to his modus operandi of before: I'll keep her safe, even if she hates me for it. He's accepting that he'll never have her, so instead he'll be her bad guy.

I could haven't said it better. He's willing to be the bad guy and get the job done. 'nuff said.

I get where Bonnie is coming from. It's not even about a list of who/what you've lost, it's about the emotional fallout she's suffering through AGAIN because of Elena, fair or not. So, yeah, I see Bonnie's point of view, but I love Bonnie, so ....

If this were Bonnie's show, I'd be yelling at her to find some way to kill off Elena. It's ridiculous the amount of fallout she has to endure because Elena "loves" a vampire.

Worst of all, it appears as if there really will be no consequences for his behavior, for what he did to Andie.

So frustrating! So So so frustrating! Elena doesn't even know this even happened, but she's all ready to forgive Stefan for the terrible wrongs he's inflicted upon her... for sucking her blood and almost driving her off a bridge. He killed Andie as a warning to keep Damon away from him. No good reason, just compelled her off a ledge.

That sappy letter at the end? Really? I mean, really?! A thousand-year old vampire who was turned in his 30's is that affected by an 18-year old of the 21st century? Really?!?!?

I don't care that he wrote her a letter, but I can't understand why she continues to trust this man. He has done nothing but betray her.

When courting, he's just so ... well, adorably a dork about it.
Yes! This! I am not a huge fan of Klaus, but this whole display of affection was motivation to turn me.
Arabian: DE & Stefan01arabian on February 20th, 2012 12:19 am (UTC)
Just so you know, I had to read this in like four sittings because it was made of awesome, and it was really really really long.

Yeah, very long. I do tend to go on ... and the funny thing is that except for a few episodes, I never really expect to go on THAT long. Thank you for your kind words, though. :)

If this were Bonnie's show, I'd be yelling at her to find some way to kill off Elena. It's ridiculous the amount of fallout she has to endure because Elena "loves" a vampire.

vampire(s), plural, plural! Ahem. Yeah, I do feel so much for Bonnie, and fandom's hate-on for her makes me sad. :(

So frustrating! So So so frustrating! Elena doesn't even know this even happened

Well, I don't think she knows HOW it happened, but yeah, she knows that he killed Andie. That was clear in the conversation between her and Damon in "The Hybrid."

she's all ready to forgive Stefan for the terrible wrongs he's inflicted upon her... for sucking her blood and almost driving her off a bridge.

I'm okay with Elena forgiving him for it. After all, she forgave Damon awful stuff, and doing something to her brother is probably worse in her eyes than doing something to her. Plus, this is all mixed up in so much crazy, I get her being a mess and able to forgive. What I can't see is her going back to Stefan romantically after this. That's where I draw the line.

He killed Andie as a warning to keep Damon away from him. No good reason, just compelled her off a ledge.

Yup, it goes back to my thing that what Stefan did to Andie (and Elena) had an inherent cruelty that we've never seen from Damon. (In fact, Klaus is the only other one we've seen display levels of that cruelty.)

I can't understand why she continues to trust this man. He has done nothing but betray her.

It really makes NO sense. Even less now, because at least before she was trusting him out of necessity, but now? Really?!
rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on February 18th, 2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
Part 1 of 2

Elena was only thinking of Stefan as more of a friend, someone that she needed to help find themselves as opposed to wanting to *be* with him

I definitely agree with this, and I hope the show keeps going in this direction. She loves Stefan, she misses what they had together, she wants him to "get better," but she doesn't want to BE with him right now. Stefan needs to do a lot of work on himself, and he has a lot of consequences to deal with before TVD can EVER revisit their romance in a functional way.

Honestly, ya'll, Stefan was such an afterthought in relation to Elena (and for Elena) except from Damon's point of view. Initially, I thought that the opening song was about the Stefan/Elena pairing, and that Elena was all moody and what-not when she woke up because she was thinking about Stefan because the phone call (reluctantly made) was to him. However, what followed made it clear that the song, Elena's mood, even Elena's phone call to Stefan was all about Damon.

I actually think the song and scene was more OT3 than Damon/Elena, but that might be my own bias. I still feel like her phone call to Stefan was up to interpretation, but I do agree that Elena was ALL about Damon in this episode.

And, yes, her 'get over it' was kinda heartless, but *that* confirms the idea that was presented in my defense of Elena points that she really didn't realize how badly she hurt him. Plus, let's get real ... when it's Damon about Elena, he ALWAYS gets over it, like that! She's just going with what she knows. Girl needs her wake-up call. It's coming. It's so coming!

TRUTH. SUCH TRUTH. Love it.

And her lack of empathy about Damon in this instance when she's normally so empathetic to everyone? Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process.

Love this, too.

As for Damon, did he believe that Elena was jealous? He probably did think that there was a little jealousy there, but more likely that it was based on him turning his attention elsewhere, as opposed to her being jealous because of her feelings for him. After all, he's clearly convinced himself that he doesn't have a shot with Elena at all anymore and is thus backing off.

Absolutely, I totally agree with this.

Damon is not pretending to not care (unlike Stefan), he's just acknowledging the belief that it doesn't matter that he loves Elena; she doesn't love him and he'll never win her ... fair and square or otherwise. So, he's going back to his modus operandi of before: I'll keep her safe, even if she hates me for it. He's accepting that he'll never have her, so instead he'll be her bad guy.

UGH, YES, I love your thoughts. So so so true.

The first one showed them being friends, discussing things in a natural, friendshippy-teenage-venting way, mixed in with the supernatural info and mumbo-jumbo with some nice comic relief from Caroline (who looked OMG!GORGEOUS in this episode!).

Such a great scene, I love their friendship SO MUCH.

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Arabian: Katherine01arabian on February 20th, 2012 12:36 am (UTC)
RE: Elena thinkig of Stefan as a friend -- I hope the show keeps going in this direction. She loves Stefan, she misses what they had together, she wants him to "get better," but she doesn't want to BE with him right now.

Yup.

Stefan needs to do a lot of work on himself, and he has a lot of consequences to deal with before TVD can EVER revisit their romance in a functional way.

Frankly, I personally feel that after the underlining abusive aspects of their relationship that they really underscored this season, I just can't ever accept her goign back to him. Ugh!

I actually think the song and scene was more OT3 than Damon/Elena, but that might be my own bias.

It works for the D/E and the S/D, but not the S/E because there's never been an "I don't love you" aspect to their relationship. Even this season, they both always knew that the feelings were still there; he'd just turned them off, but he never didn't love her and vice versa. And so many other lyrics in there just don't fit S/E at all (the less I give, the more I get back?), so I just really think it was them being tricky, tricky!

I still feel like her phone call to Stefan was up to interpretation, but I do agree that Elena was ALL about Damon in this episode.

I suppose it is, but I personally can't see it any other way. He knew about the Originals plan, he knew that Elena wasn't comfortable with the Elijah aspect. We also saw Stefan's phone and that it was Elena, but no point of showing other missed calls. On the other hand, it was made very clear that there were 10 calls to Damon that she made. Then, of course, when she got there, all of her comments were directed towards Damon -- even the plan, and Elijah regret stuff -- she barely acknowledged Stefan. But yeah, it is open to intepretation, this is probably the first time I've seen them fully successfully appeal to all three fanbases (Damon/Elena, Elena/Stefan, OT3).

I love their friendship SO MUCH.

Me too, now I just wish the show would expend some of that energy on writing the male friendships (DAMON AND ALARIC!) as well too.
rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on February 18th, 2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
Part 2 of 2

She had Grams. She lost Grams. Who was clearly her only and all support. She had Jeremy, she lost Jeremy because of all of the vampire/witchy stuff. Not fair to blame it on supernatural forces when much of that was on Jeremy's own feelings, but it feels like it when emotions and pain come into play, you don't look at logic, you focus on the pain. And now Jeremy is gone because he was a target because of Elena, through Elena's choice, using those supernatural forces to send him away. She found her mother, and now she's lost her life (although, she's not gone), of course, so that cut short bonding they could have had WITHOUT this crazy vampire mix added to it. She basically has Caroline and Elena, and Elena is all wrapped up in vampires, and Caroline IS a vampire, and Bonnie as a witch, instinctively is against vampires so to take comfort from the only two people she has, she has to overcome nature's voice pounding in her head about something that is wrong.

Thank you so much for this, it makes that one line about Bonnie "always" being the one who gets hurt much more authentic for me. I love Bonnie too, and I loved that scene, but I just couldn't get on board with that one idea. Your thoughts make it a little better for me, though. I actually never thought about the Jeremy of it all, I was thinking more about death/loss in Bonnie's life and how it was about equal to all the other characters, so the line just didn't make sense to me at all. But when I add Jeremy to the mix, a loss that is very fresh and that Elena absolutely had a hand in as far as his absence goes, it all comes together a bit more. I also love your point about her going against her witch instincts for Caroline and Elena, who double as her main support system. That's some crazy inner conflict there, and, again, it rounds out the issue for me in a really understandable way. I still don't *love* that line, but your take on it makes it better.

Worst of all, it appears as if there really will be no consequences for his behavior, for what he did to Andie. At all. This frustrates me because there is a story there, and I want to see Stefan get to a place where he can live on bunny-blood, and not hate himself. Where he can find that middle ground, just as Damon needs to find his.

I still adore Stefan and his storyline, but I will say that my satisfaction with his arc is dependent on where the writers are going with all this. I have a lot of faith in them, and I really believe that we'll see consequences for what Stefan's done, and most importantly, we'll see him working to make up for it all, in a way that's healthy for him and true to himself. Eventually.

Yeah, I don't buy it, even as much as I adore Elena, I don't buy it, and it really felt like this whole connection between them came from nowhere.

I get what you're saying about Elijah and Elena, but I do think the writers laid the groundwork for this uneasy friendship/trust they have. It's subtle, but in my opinion it was there last season. I just can't help loving Elijah/Elena! I blame the chemistry.

Klaus and Caroline are really adorable, even when Caroline is playing him.

SO ADORABLE.

*Sigh* Such good chemistry, and SUCH a great story. I want to be wrong, but there has literally been NOTHING pointing to anything with them

AGREED. I really feel like it's strange for TVD to drop a plotline like that, so I'm hoping it plays out later this season, at least in some way. I don't need Stefan/Rebekah to become a thing (although, it would be nice to see Stefan finally be with someone other than Elena), but there should be some continuity/follow through on their feelings for each other. TBH, as much as I adore Stefan/Elena, I'd love to see some gloriously dysfunctional Stefan/Rebekah and/or Stefan/Katherine, OR, in the long run, some adorable Stefan/Caroline. Damn, I'm such a multi-shipper.

Speaking of, so when Stefan thought that he was going to be the one who had to sever the Bennett bloodline, he went after ... Bonnie? And not Abby?

I honestly thought he fully intended to vamp Abby, but Damon just sneakily got there first. LIKE A FOX.
Arabian: Katherine06arabian on February 20th, 2012 12:36 am (UTC)
Re: Bonnie's loss -- Thank you so much for this, it makes that one line about Bonnie "always" being the one who gets hurt much more authentic for me.

Yeah, it was just about so much more than the bald, blanket statement, you know?

when I add Jeremy to the mix, a loss that is very fresh and that Elena absolutely had a hand in as far as his absence goes, it all comes together a bit more. I also love your point about her going against her witch instincts for Caroline and Elena, who double as her main support system. That's some crazy inner conflict there, and, again, it rounds out the issue for me in a really understandable way. I still don't *love* that line, but your take on it makes it better.

Yes, yes, yes, and I don't love the line either, but I didn't have a problem with it because it came from a likely distilliation of the muddled conflict mass that Bonnie is right now through Caroline's sometimes tact-less way of phrasing things. :)

I still adore Stefan and his storyline, but I will say that my satisfaction with his arc is dependent on where the writers are going with all this.

If they go somewhere and prove me wrong, I will be thrilled. But he HAS to have some consequences, especially for what he did to Andie. If that doesn't happen, nothing the writers do will redeem this arc for me.

I do think the writers laid the groundwork for this uneasy friendship/trust they have. It's subtle, but in my opinion it was there last season.

I just don't see it. Before the daggering by Klaus, she worked with Elijah ONLY out of necessity, yes, she was empathetic, but Elena is that way with EVERYBODY (except Katherine, LOL!). Then he betrayed them (in a way, that yes, she could understand, but still). That was their interaction prior to the dance episode. So, no, it makes no sense.

I just can't help loving Elijah/Elena! I blame the chemistry.

I love Daniel Gillies and Nina Dobrev's chemistry, that's partly why I ship Elijah and KATHERINE -- the one Daniel/Nina pairing that did fully have groundwork laid for it. Elijah and Elena honestly grosses me out.

RE; Stefan/Rebekah -- I really feel like it's strange for TVD to drop a plotline like that, so I'm hoping it plays out later this season, at least in some way.

Me too.

I don't need Stefan/Rebekah to become a thing (although, it would be nice to see Stefan finally be with someone other than Elena), but there should be some continuity/follow through on their feelings for each other.

Yes, there should.

TBH, as much as I adore Stefan/Elena

See, I just honestly don't get this. Prior to season 01, I could definitely see how they could be adored, even to a degree in season 02, but now? When we've seen the abusive underpings to their relationship ... I just, I really loathe the idea of them as a pairing now.

I'd love to see some gloriously dysfunctional Stefan/Rebekah and/or Stefan/Katherine, OR, in the long run, some adorable Stefan/Caroline. Damn, I'm such a multi-shipper.

I'm down for all of this however.

I honestly thought he fully intended to vamp Abby, but Damon just sneakily got there first. LIKE A FOX.

Then why did he stand there trying to convince Bonnie of what they had to do? He is a vampire, she is a witch. She can only mind-whammy him if he gives her the opportunity. All Stefan had to do if Abby was his plan was to do exactly what Damon did to her. It just doesn't make sense, not with the sequence of events and how it played out.
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vanimy: TVDvanimy on February 18th, 2012 11:31 pm (UTC)
PART 1

*sigh* I wish I shared your enthusiasm about this episode.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think the episode was bad, I liked it overall but I'm not blown away. I'm trying not to rain on your parade, promise. ;)

My problems with this episode are the following :

-I really feel like the plot's starting to lose me. It's totally predictable. Of course Esther's spell was going to fail. Of course they didn't keep the Originals around for long and made them leave (what a waste, we still barely know anything about Kol and Finn...). Of course Damon ends up being the one doing the bad deed.

And worst of all, of course Meredith is the mysterious serial killer. That cliffhanger did absolutely nothing for me. First because Alaric has died too many times for us to be remotely worried about such a lame off-screen death (well, I hope so anyway), second because that cliffhanger felt too Dallas-like to me. For a moment I thought I was in a bad soap opera. This isn't TVD's level, seriously.

I didn't find myself clutching my seat because I was enthralled and tense watching this episode and that's what TVD used to do to me and hasn't in quite some times.

I'm pretty worried about the direction of this season. And I'm starting to think Kevin Williamson's involvement with 'The secret circle' is starting to hurt TVD.

-Damon/Elena. I think they are heading towards Damon/Elena too but the execution is flawed. I have to read your entries to convince myself more than the show actually showing it to me and that's not okay. Even when Damon and Elena went through a rough patch in season 2 I never once was worried or pissed about them because I always knew why the characters did what they did. I understood Damon's reactions and I understood Elena's reations. Now I think Damon's the only one being consistent in this relationship. Elena's kinda lost me. BTW I don't think she called Stefan just because of Damon, I think she wanted to talk to him about her regret for including Elijah in the spell. Why else would she have said 'we need to talk' and not 'can you call me back, I'm worried about Damon'?

I believe with Stefan back to martyrdom we're going to see some Stelena again, especially with Damon completely giving up with her and looking like the bad guy again.

While I appreciated Elena's jealousy over Damon/Rebekah it wasn't enough for me, I was annoyed with her attitude with Damon overall. 'Get over it'? really? This is Damon we're talking about, he doesn't get over it, he gets even. It's like she suddenly forgot what Damon's like. Where is the girl who was worried about him in 'The Return' because of the fake kiss with Katherine at a time where Damon didn't even admit any of his feelings? And now he's actually admitting them, she thinks he'll be just fine?

No, Elena's totally losing me here.

Which didn't stop me from loving her with Caroline and Bonnie, Rebekah and Elijah. She rocked there but regarding her relationship with Damon, I'm just glad Damon told her what he told her and didn't take s**** from her anymore. Like really glad, and that's not normal, I think. I'm still shipping Delena and I'm still having hope I just hope the writers don't screw up the whole relationship before throwing them together. Because I'm not sure there will be a lot of people still caring if that happens.
vanimy: Damon/Stefanvanimy on February 18th, 2012 11:31 pm (UTC)
PART 2

-When I saw Rebekah in Damon's bed, I immediately pictured you being pissed, lmao. And hello Damon's abs. Nice candy.

-I loved Elijah in this episode, like everything he did even his ruthless attitude with Elena. And his epiphany at the end. I'm very sad to see him leave because he's become one of the few characters I still love no matter what (with Damon actually).

-Liking Klaus again at the moment. Love the fact he's staying with Rebekah again and am totally on the Klaroline train. They continue to remain so cute together.

-I completely understood Bonnie's reaction at the end. And I love her now she's no longer judgmental about everything, so yes, poor Bonnie. :(

-Stefan, Stefan.... Totally agree on everything you said! This storyline makes absolutely no sense. Is he addicted to human blood or is he not? because it sure seemed easy to stop. BTW I thought his problem wasn't the fact he drank human blood but his inability to drink it with moderation. I agree with you, Paul Wesley looked bored all episode long. I miss Snarky!Stefan so badly.

-What I did enjoy though is the honest conversation between Damon and Stefan at the end of the episode. I hope all this and now Damon's no longer pursuing Elena will bring them closer. I love their messy relationship so damn much.

-I love Damon so much. That's all. :P He really was the key in this episode; Everything got solved only thanks to him (again). And how badass was he with Klaus? Not even moving an inch.

-I'm bummed about Rebekah/Stefan too. This is really the most pointless storyline of this season. It didn't lead to anything. What a waste.

-I miss Jeremy, I think it was a mistake to make him leave. His relationship with Elena and him being the typical teenager really anchored the show in reality. Now he's gone something's definitely missing. Bring him back! :(
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gidget_84: caroline and klaus dancegidget_84 on February 19th, 2012 01:54 am (UTC)
I don't really have anything to add except

He's not compelled, but human blood is making him a sadistic, sick puppy. No wait, he is compelled, and he's suddenly NOT a sadistic, sick puppy, yet he has a nasty, snarky attitude. No wait, now he isn't compelled, and he's a snarky ass who doesn't care about anyone except Damon, and he goes too far and does horrible things. And, wait for it, now he's gone too far, and so he's not drinking blood and he's back to being the martyred, suffering Stefan again. Whatever. And I don't think I'm the only one 'whatever'-ing this as it really felt like Paul Wesley has just checked out. I'm just not feeling anything from him anymore (in this, and last week's episode).

Yes, so much to this. I don't get Stefan's character at all anymore. He was never my favorite character on the show, but they just completely dropped the ball on his characterization. It's not consistent..and that's so frustrating because he's a main character and therefore is going to get more screen time than others. They need to figure out what they want to do with him, and fast.


I miss Jeremy too :( can he please come back now, and become a badass like he was in the last episode he was in?
Arabian: SC & Klaus01arabian on February 20th, 2012 01:18 am (UTC)
I don't get Stefan's character at all anymore. He was never my favorite character on the show, but they just completely dropped the ball on his characterization. It's not consistent..and that's so frustrating because he's a main character and therefore is going to get more screen time than others. They need to figure out what they want to do with him, and fast.

I really hope to be proven wrong and that there will be payoff to all of this. I mean, we got our payoff for Damon and the D/E situation last season towards the end. Hopefully, the same will happen this season with Stefan.
flyingfish: elena tvdflyingfish1 on February 19th, 2012 03:34 am (UTC)
I hope this will make sense, I have a cold and it's messing with my ability to think in coherent sentences, but here goes... :D

And, yes, her 'get over it' was kinda heartless, but *that* confirms the idea that was presented in my defense of Elena points that she really didn't realize how badly she hurt him. Agreed! I actually think she was telling him to get over being mad about her sneaking off to meet with Esther behind his back, not about the "your love is a problem" thing. She didn't realize that was what he was so upset about, at least at the time. Elena wouldn't be flippant about someone's hurt, but she would be snappish about Damon trying to control her (as she sees it).

...I have been holding back on making a judgement on the ripper!Stefan arc until the season is over and it's all played out, and I still kind of don't want to say anything about it yet since apparently we'll be seeing some more Stefan-POV in upcoming episodes? but... yeah, as of this moment it's not working for me either. I hope the "back to human blood" situation is actually a false start that falls through (to match with Damon trying to go back to being a villain and, I'm sure, failing at that), but I'm not holding my breath :( I really don't understand it. First they establish that it'll take him 30 or so years to get back to normal (which they didn't have to say! He recovered in good time in season one and they could have stuck with that if they wanted to have him do the same in season three! Now it just looks like an inconsistency for no good reason!) only to have him drinking bunnies again in--what? A couple of months? Ggrr. I was so pleased when it looked like Damon was going to teach him to cope with drinking human blood, since they've been saying that that's what Stefan needs to do since back in season one, but now that storyline's gone too. Why, show, why?

I've been really annoyed with this whole inexplicable Elijah/Elena thing. I mean, her complete trust in him? Yeah, she trusted him (sorta) at the end of the season 02 but that was out of necessity and before he, you know, BETRAYED her!
Hmm, to me it's not inexplicaple. Smart on Elena's part? No, clearly, heh. But she likes him on a personal level and she understands why he did betray them, because of his family, and I think that's enough for her. I mean, she decided to trust barely-redeemed-killer-Damon in season one because they had their "understanding" and because, in spite of everything, she likes him, so I think this is something similar. I hope we're not supposed to be shipping them, though--that is just odd. Friendship is enough for me!

I feel like all I'm doing is nitpicking you! I nitpick because I agree with everything else!

Okay, fine, here's my theory. We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is, so I've decided that he has a little sewing kit and with his vampire speed, stitched that baby right back up to its former pristine glory. :)
I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING, lol lol. Hey, what's the point of having vampire powers if they don't make housework easier? ;)
Arabian: Elena03arabian on February 20th, 2012 01:26 am (UTC)
I hope this will make sense, I have a cold and it's messing with my ability to think in coherent sentences, but here goes... :D

Hah, I've so been there, LOL!

I actually think she was telling him to get over being mad about her sneaking off to meet with Esther behind his back, not about the "your love is a problem" thing.

I think it was about the whole thing, and that she just didn't get to the degree that she'd hurt him because you're right, Elena is not like that otherwise.

...I have been holding back on making a judgement on the ripper!Stefan arc until the season is over and it's all played out, and I still kind of don't want to say anything about it yet since apparently we'll be seeing some more Stefan-POV in upcoming episodes? but... yeah, as of this moment it's not working for me either. I hope the "back to human blood" situation is actually a false start that falls through (to match with Damon trying to go back to being a villain and, I'm sure, failing at that), but I'm not holding my breath :(

You know, I think that may be it. I mean there was a reason that we had a Julie Plec-penned episode have Stefan basically say that he hated his life as the martry Stefan. I said above to someone else that I hope that Stefan going back to martrying is because things are going to come to ahead, possibly with Damon/Elena, and Stefan will fall off the wagon again and finally realize that he HAS to figure out how to live without torturing himself or he'll keep having relapses. Like Elena, Stefan needs to be kicked in the ass a thousand times before he gets it! And I think that's what is happening now, this is going to lead to both Elena and Stefan getting those kicks in the pants they desperately need.

I was so pleased when it looked like Damon was going to teach him to cope with drinking human blood, since they've been saying that that's what Stefan needs to do since back in season one, but now that storyline's gone too.

I think, hope, that is where we eventually will be going. Again, that was a Julie Plec-penned episode, so that wouldn't have been a throwaway bit there.

Hmm, to me it's not inexplicaple.

Before the daggering by Klaus, she worked with Elijah ONLY out of necessity, yes, she was empathetic, but Elena is that with EVERYBODY (except Katherine, LOL!). Then he betrayed them (in a way, that yes, she could understand, but still). That was their interaction prior to the dance episode. So, no, it makes no sense.

I mean, she decided to trust barely-redeemed-killer-Damon in season one because they had their "understanding"

But she kept him at arm's length for the most part and didn't act like she had this HUGE connection with him. Plus, there was a LOT more between them than there was with Elena and Elijah. Basically, she made a deal with him that would kill her, then he told her a story, then she made another deal with him out of necessity, then he betrayed her. That's pretty much the sequence of events.

I hope we're not supposed to be shipping them, though--that is just odd. Friendship is enough for me!

An uneasy friendship of sorts would be fine, but the sappy letter? This deep concern she has for him, this connection they have? Shippers are certainly coming out of the woodworks and jumping on this like white on rice.

I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING, lol lol. Hey, what's the point of having vampire powers if they don't make housework easier? ;)

Exactly!!!