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10 February 2012 @ 01:18 am
3.14 - 'Dangerous Liaisons' (The Vampire Diaries)  
The Vampire Diaries aired tonight; so of course, it's now time for lots of words. :)

Getting the negative out of the way first because I do have a lot of negative I need to vent, folks. I can't say I'm happy. I'm not. The fact that Damon is being painted as the bad guy all-around while Stefan gets a clean slate (from Caroline), Stefan gets mushy feelings (from Elena), Klaus gets a mushy feelings (from Caroline), Elijah gets a clean slate (from Elena) and Damon is a self-destructive, controlling dick. For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw.

Clearly, nothing anyone does bad on this show is ever going to be held against them ... unless they are Damon Salvatore. Elena clearly doesn't care about all that Stefan did, nope, she's all 'Feel something for me,' holding onto his face, wanting him to be with her in the moment, kiss her, love her. Caroline clearly doesn't care that Klaus has terrorized all of them, killed people they know, people they don't, sire-bonded Tyler to him, nope, she's all 'Ooh, he bought me a pretty dress! He's an artist! He drew a pretty picture of me!' let's get sentimental over him.

Which of these things is not the like the other? Oh, right, Damon -- he can never be forgiven or treated with any kind of understanding. No, he'll always be judged, and found wanting. rose_marie_rose had made me feel better by pointing out that people stick with patterns of how they treat someone, and that when someone starts out bad, it's harder to let go of that aspect of them, as opposed to someone starting out good. In that case you tend to remember the good. However, that doesn't work now because of ... the attitude/reaction to Klaus, and Caroline preferring Stefan -- who killed tons of people, including two classmates, and terrorized Elena (of his own free will) -- to be with Elena, rather than Damon, and Elena being all 'Oh, Stefan! Feel something for me, bb!' Yeah.

So all ships out there, whose characters were featured tonight, this is what they got --

Caroline/Tyler - Him telling her he loved her, her defending him, and trying to leave calls for him because she misses and worries for him so.

Caroline/Matt - Jealousy over Rebekah to the point that she chooses to go to the ball as Klaus' date essentially.

Caroline/Klaus - Pretty dresses and drawings as presents, sweet talk and intrigued/adoring looks throughout the evening, including the dance (from both of them), delving into each other's lives and sharing.

Stefan/Elena - Longing looks, tension-filled moments during the dance, reminders of how he let her do whatever she wanted (even if it meant walking to her death), face-holding, obvious signs of how deep their twu wuv is.

Elena/Elijah *(Ooh! A new one!) - Understanding looks, conspiring together, guilt on Elena's side for lying to his face over the plot to kill him.

Damon/Elena - Damon struck upon seeing Elena enter, Damon telling Elena she looked stunning ... all on Damon's part, of course, and then we get to the "good" stuff: Damon manhandling Elena, about twenty seconds of a dance where they barely acknowledged each other, Damon telling Elena he loved her in the middle of venting at her, and her responding that it's wrong (although, she did mention later that she didn't mean it, big fucking deal when taking everything else into account), Elena assuming the worst of Damon when he saved Matt's life (who you know isn't going to mention that Damon went after Kol to SAVE MATT'S LIFE!), Damon being told by Stefan(!) that he doesn't let Elena make her own choices or do anything, Damon fucking Rebekah.

Yeah, which thing here is not like the other? Oh, right, Damon and Elena -- because dagnabbit, the Damon/Elena fanbase had a WHOLE SIX EPISODES where they kinda acknowledged that there's something maybe real there ... amidst Elena's continued uber feelings of twu wuv for Stefan ... because Julie and Kevin don't want the Stefan/Elena fanbase to feel that their couple doesn't still have a shot! (As if...)

And I don't get it. Everything that is awesome about Elena pretty much goes down the drain with Stefan. Instead of the smart, ass-kicking, awesome woman we've known this season, she becomes this pathetic, clinging, submissive girl with Stefan. This is the guy who threatened to kill her on the bridge where her parents died JUST FOR REVENGE and three episodes later, she is BEGGING him to show that he feels something for her. Give me a fucking break. This season has gradually given us an Elena Gilbert who is strong, proud and all-around bad-ass. This episode, where she's once more in Stefan's sphere, all of that went bye-bye.

Look, I was bummed after delving into all the spoilers, and my lovely flist cheered me up. One of the key things that worked was despite how damn unfair the cast/crew are to the Damon/Elena fanbase in press, on the show we are getting an in-depth, well-crafted love story for our couple. That's not quite flying now. I'm beyond frustrated with the fact that for two seasons running now, Kevin Williamson and Julie Plec have gone out of their way to assure Stefan/Elena fans that all will be well, and yet there was no concern for all the misery that Damon/Elena fans went though last season. And NOW when there's actual Damon/Elena content -- which is naturally on the downswing after only six friggin' episodes (barely) -- they talk about how they want to make sure they keep both fanbases happy and sticking with them. Funny how that wasn't a concern when Stefan/Elena fans were having sunshine blown up their couple's ass last season. However, I could try and push that aside as long as we got fair balance on the show. Tonight? Proved that maybe, just maybe, that wasn't happening.

Sigh, okay, venting done. Time for mostly positive thoughts now. :)

Outside of the shipper stuff ...

- I really like Esther; I love her plan, and I love how she's accomplishing it. I was a little iffy on Alice Evans in the first scene (with Klaus), but with Elena and then with Finn, I just loved her. Wonderful job. And I found out something quite interesting, when she said that she kills Klaus, it will kill all of her children, I thought: Good, I don't want any of the Originals beyond this season. They worked in season 02 and are working for me in season 03, but I do want them all gone by season 04. Yes, even Elijah and Rebekah. I love them, but I love the core cast, the Mystic Falls residents I know and love more. I want them front and center.

- I also really liked Finn. That he knew Esther's plan and was willing to go along with it was really awesome, I thought. There was a gentle, quiet strength about the actor that I genuinely liked.

- I thought of the three girls in ball gowns, Caroline by FAR looked the best. Elena's dress was way too busy, and I didn't like Rebekah's hairstyle.

- Continuing on the shallow note, HOT DAMN!, did Ian Somerhalder look MIGHTY FINE in that tuxedo or what!?!?!? So hot I want to lick him up with a spoon. YUM!

- The Damon/Carol discussion was just awesome. I find it sad, but there it is, that Damon is treated with the most respect and liking from Liz and Carol, and not from anyone supposedly in his inner circle.

- I loved the blood forming a family tree on the parchment at the end, very cool. Speaking of, I think THAT should have been the end, not Damon and Rebekah getting it on, because that was really cool!

- Speaking of the getting it on, yeah, I stand by what I wrote in "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Ian Somerhalder and Claire Holt just don't have great chemistry. There's some, because, duh, Ian Somerhalder, but overall, yeah, it just wasn't that hot for me, and I watched it a few times. On that note, I'm sorry but the vamp-speed during vamp-on-vamp sex just kills the flow. I mean, I never mentioned it before, but even in the Damon/Katherine scene in "The Return," when they vamped from the wall to the table, it always takes me out just a little. The only reason they get away with it is because the Nina Dobrev/Somerhalder chemistry is so ridiculously hot.

- Despite my bitching above, I actually did quite enjoy the Klaus/Caroline scenes and they definitely are my secondary Caroline-ship. There were some very lovely moments between the two, although, again, I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus. But hey, he's not Damon. That explains it.

- I'm gonna say it: I may be the only one, but I don't think that Paul Wesley is doing this stellar job this season. Other than when he's snarking, there's really no difference from this Stefan than from season 01/02 Stefan. There are no gradient shades of characterization. He's just Stefan. And Wesley is showing the same skill level we've seen all along.

In closing, taking the Damon/Elena shipper side out of it, it was a really good episode. Not great, I didn't think it was great, but it was really good. (Better than last week for sure!) This was definitely not as weak as "Memory Lane," but it is my second-least favorite Caroline Dries episode. :( And putting the Damon/Elena shipper back into the game, I did love Damon's expression when he saw Elena walk in. Alas, that was pretty much the only moment as a Damon/Elena fan that I could truly enjoy ... and even that was all from Damon's point-of-view. Other than a few smiles, Elena treated Damon mostly like he was a nuisance. I mean, really, it took all of two episodes after Wickery Bridge for Elena to once more cut Damon out of the loop and start conspiring with Stefan again? Wow!

Look, I know it's going to be a long road ahead for Damon/Elena and Damon, I just wish they would balance out the playing field in terms of how the other characters treat Damon. Plus, start giving the Damon/Elena fanbase some genuine, non-Stefan/Elena-flavored pep talking in their press. And on the show! Please, on the show, give us something more, anything more. We NEED more from Elena's side. I really hope and pray that this will open the door to Damon pulling away from Elena emotionally so that she can OPEN UP HER EYES and realize that she DOES care about him. Because nothing else is sinking that message home clearly. And one thing I do trust in indubitably is that we are supposed to believe that Elena DOES care about him.

However, as of now, she treats him like a sexless boyfriend -- not realizing it, but she does -- and he lets her because he loves her so much. And it's REALLY not fair to him. So, hopefully this will lead to him stepping back so she can take a look at whether she wants him in her life close or not (I do think that eventually she'll find that she was really taking him, his presence, how he was with her for granted and that she does misses/needs/does love him). Maybe with what happened in tonight's episode, it will be the push he needs to man up, walk away and just be there to help the group save the day* but no longer be her -- well, I keep saying it, but it's true -- sexless boyfriend.

* Hah, unless, he's now suddenly -- and so inexplicably -- the "liability."

Hope springs eternal. I mean, I do think we'll get something great and wondrous and awesome with Damon and Elena eventually. It's just going to take time.

Patience, grasshopper, patience. I know. :)

ETA: I wrote a follow-up that really deals with and makes me feel better about my major issues with the episode here.
 
 
 
Jude: tvd; elijah pants offdanceonstardust on February 10th, 2012 06:51 am (UTC)
Well said friend, well said.

Although, I actually saw this a blip of the radar because we saw that Elena just went guilty after saying that. I'm just a little miffed about her doing the whole thing with Stefan.

Elena/Elijah *(Ooh! A new one!) - Understanding looks, conspiring together, guilt on Elena's side for lying to his face over the plot to kill him.

This made me want to see moments with Elijah and Talia(sp?) the original doppelganger. Just grrr chemistry. I love their chemistry too. Especially in the beginning moment when he handled Rebekah for her. The way they looked at each other... HOT. DAMN YOU DANIEL GILLIES. *drools*

Despite my bitching above, I actually did quite enjoy the Klaus/Caroline scenes and they definitely are my secondary Caroline-ship. There were some very lovely moments between the two, although, again, I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus. But hey, he's not Damon. That explains it.

HEHE! Yeah I agree because Klaus is supposed to be evil~ for crying out loud. But I still loved their moments so much. Damn it.

I thought of the three girls in ball gowns, Caroline by FAR looked the best.
That color, it was gorgeous. WANT. Klaus has good taste.


However, as of now, she treat him like a sexless boyfriend -- not realizing it, but she does -- and he lets her because he loves her so much. And it's REALLY not fair to him. So, hopefully this will lead to him stepping back so she can take a look at whether she wants him in her life close or not (I do think that eventually she'll find that she was really taking him, his presence, how he was with her for granted and she misses/needs/does love him). Maybe with what happened in tonight's episode, it will be the push he needs to man up, walk away and just be there to help the group save the day* but no longer be her -- well, I keep saying it, but it's true -- sexless boyfriend.

THISSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why I'm not so angry because I'm optimistic. Plus, without all this drama, it would make it boring (even though Stefan/Elena are already there).


Edited at 2012-02-10 06:52 am (UTC)
Arabian: Elijah02arabian on February 10th, 2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
Well said friend, well said.

And I've calmed and am feeling better about it from a logical, in-character point of view, LOL! (linky to *that* post!) I'm still annoyed with Plec, Williamson and Dries though. (I'm unfollowing them. Hah! Take that!)

Although, I actually saw this a blip of the radar because we saw that Elena just went guilty after saying that. I'm just a little miffed about her doing the whole thing with Stefan.

Sigh. In retrospect, thinking it through, it DOES make sense, and we DID have that immediate guilty reaction.

RE: Elena/Elijah -- This made me want to see moments with Elijah and Talia(sp?) the original doppelganger. Just grrr chemistry. I love their chemistry too.

I WANT ELIJAH AND KATHERINE! But clearly based on all interviews, "Klaus" was some random fluke, okay then.

Sigh. Our Damon/Elena time WILL come. It will!

Heh, to your icon. :)
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gidget_84: alaric smilegidget_84 on February 10th, 2012 07:18 am (UTC)
I feel like I can't say much, because most of episode is a big blur of REALLY not liking Elena, I already told badboy_fangirl that I couldn't downright hate Elena, but just have a lot of dislike/disdain for her character right now. You're completely right, Damon is her sexless boyfriend, and I want her to walk in on him sexing up whoever he wants to..just to twist the knife a little lol..gah I sound so mean..lol

But yeah, Damon needs to take that break from her, she needs to start coming to him instead of the other way around. She needs to feel and see what she is missing, it really needs to hit home for her that it would truly and utterly break her heart if he left or if something happened to him.

Klaus/Caroline I ship, so I adored their scenes together, and it was a nice break from the Elena/Damon/Stefan crap. But I'm glad Caroline is being cautious with him because we don't really know what his true intentions are.

I vented in modbelle's journal..which I seriously feel bad for now..but I'm kinda afraid to write my own review, as most of it will be venting. Hmm, we'll see. Otherwise..I can only hope as you do that everything will come together perfectly by the end of the series.

In the meantime..I missed Alaric in this episode..can Damon go and cry on his shoulder? Do you think Ric would even let him? I wanna see them be BFF's again so much :) Even just Alaric saying.."Elena, you need to cut Damon some slack" would be good enough for me.

So I leave you with Alaric's "hopeful" smile :)
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on February 10th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
I feel like I can't say much, because most of episode is a big blur of REALLY not liking Elena

You've probably seen my new post pop up that makes Elena's actions work a LOT more for me. I still don't like them so much, but I do completely understand them now.

Damon needs to take that break from her, she needs to start coming to him instead of the other way around. She needs to feel and see what she is missing, it really needs to hit home for her that it would truly and utterly break her heart if he left or if something happened to him.

This. SO MUCH THIS!

I can only hope as you do that everything will come together perfectly by the end of the series.

I'm optimistic, and I hope that reading my follow-up post helps with this episode a bit. :)

In the meantime..I missed Alaric in this episode..can Damon go and cry on his shoulder? Do you think Ric would even let him? I wanna see them be BFF's again so much :)

Nope, sadly, I have little hope that Alaric is going to be anything other than a dick to Damon. I hope there's a reason, I hope something changes/or explains it, but right now, Ric can stay away as far as I'm concerned because he's just pissing me off. Ric and I are on a break right now. Uh huh.
x5valex5vale on February 10th, 2012 08:32 am (UTC)
|For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw.
that was what I was worried about...how the others see him, because hell no he wasn't self destructive at all.

Clearly, nothing anyone does bad on this show is ever going to be held against them ... unless they are Damon Salvatore. Elena clearly doesn't care about all that Stefan did, nope, she's all 'Feel something for me,' holding onto his face, wanting him to be with her in the moment, kiss her, love her. Caroline clearly doesn't care that Klaus has terrorized all of them, killed people they know, people they don't, sire-bonded Tyler to him, nope, she's all 'Ooh, he bought me a pretty dress! He's an artist! He drew a pretty picture of me!' let's get sentimental over him.
THIS!
God and I thought you might calm me down :)

No, he'll always be judged, and found wanting.
Wow we wrote the same things.

people stick with patterns of how they treat someone, and that when someone starts out bad, it's harder to let go of that aspect of them, as opposed to someone starting out good.
I agree, but it doesn't comfort me.


Elena/Elijah *(Ooh! A new one!) - Understanding looks, conspiring together, guilt on Elena's side for lying to his face over the plot to kill him.
I wish Elijah soon realizes it.

Elena assuming the worst of Damon when he saved Matt's life (who you know isn't going to mention that Damon went after Kol to SAVE MATT'S LIFE!)
I just hope this will be pointed out at least by Matt.

Damon being told by Stefan(!) that he doesn't let Elena make her own choices or do anything
this made me laugh...bitter laugh but still.

because Julie and Kevin don't want the Stefan/Elena fanbase to feel that their couple doesn't still have a shot! (As if...)
That interview hit me...they are giving somthing to both the shippers and it's ok, it's a triangle. But to be a real triangle, it must be real and it's not if they rush the things as they have done in this episode. Messing up with D/E before they even start to have something it's just wrong.

she becomes this pathetic, clinging, submissive girl with Stefan.
I think she needs to know that Stefan still can feel and love her, partially because she still loves him and I guess also because she feels that she hasn't been a enough to push him to save himself. I think it's fair she tries to get the old Stefan back, I just don't like how they have handled it in this episode.

They worked in season 02 and are working for me in season 03, but I do want them all gone by season 04. Yes, even Elijah and Rebekah. I love them, but I love the core cast, the Mystic Falls residents I know and love more. I want them front and center.
I agree.


Caroline by FAR looked the best.
No context.

Continuing on the shallow note, HOT DAMN!, did Ian Somerhalder look MIGHTY FINE in that tuxedo or what!?!?!? So hot I want to lick him up with a spoon. YUM!
Ehemmm he looked hot in all the episode. PERIOD.

The Damon/Carol discussion was just awesome. I find it sad, but there it is, that Damon is treated with the most respect and liking from Liz and Carol, and not from anyone supposedly in his inner circle.
Because they are not biased and there is no background history.

There's some, because, duh, Ian Somerhalder
I didn't like her at all...her expressions were too strong, but Damon/Ian with the clothes ripped out..well I can take it every day!

I'm gonna say it: I may be the only one, but I don't think that Paul Wesley is doing this stellar job this season.
You and me both.


I really hope and pray that this will open the door to Damon pulling away from Elena emotionally so that she can OPEN UP HER EYES and realize that she DOES care about him. Because nothing else is sinking that message home clearly. And one thing I do trust in indubitably is that we are supposed to believe that Elena DOES care about him.
Amen.





Arabian: Damon07arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:04 pm (UTC)
I'm not going to address the Stefan, Damon, Elena stuff because of my follow-up post and your response, just the other stuff. :)

That [JP/KW]interview hit me...they are giving somthing to both the shippers and it's ok, it's a triangle. But to be a real triangle, it must be real and it's not if they rush the things as they have done in this episode. Messing up with D/E before they even start to have something it's just wrong.

Yeah, and I still wonder where all this concern for the D/E fanbase was last season? Nope, the only reassuring I recall is Plec on Twitter to S/E fans going crazy over the preview with Stefan/Katherine for "By the Light of the Moon."

RE: Carol/Liz -- Because they are not biased and there is no background history.

But there IS background history. Damon/Caroline, for Liz, and Damon flat-out being a vampire for Carol and Liz.
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traciaknowstraciaknows on February 10th, 2012 11:03 am (UTC)
Thanks for putting all my feelings in one place. The whole dynamic of - Damon's bad, somehow it will always be Damon's fault just pisses me off. If we don't get some kind of payoff I'm going to be done. Or at least I'm going to try to be done.

This ep was just so disappointing to me.
Arabian: Ian & Nina02arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know, but it does all make sense, and it is a journey. I hope if you read my follow-up post, it will help a bit. :)
eolivet on February 10th, 2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
UGH!!! This ep frustrated the heck out of me. It actually made me see there's very little between Klaus and Caroline, to the point where it looks like a one-sided crush until...he draws her a picture with a horse? I'm not sold on pretty much the only scene of them having chemistry was when she was freaking out of it with a werewolf bite. Because when garden variety scenes between them means she treats him with contempt, and it's not even like chemistry-laden contempt...I found myself going "...I found them hot WHY?"

And I'm beating my head against the wall that Damon GRABBED ELENA'S ARM. :headdesk: (oh, now my head is on my desk). NOOOOOOOO!!!! UGH! Bad Boyfriend Behavior 101. The line that really made me scream was Elena telling Stefan "Oh, you've always let me make my own choices!" Which was meant to paint as Damon's care for Elena's safety = taking away her freewill or something. ARGH!!! NOOOOOOO!!!! At least Damon admitted his "weakness" but GAH.

Also didn't care for? Damon dancing with Elena, THEN Stefan dancing with Elena. :facepalm: I know, could mean nothing -- but I'm not liking that symbolism...

AND WHY DOES ELIJAH HAVE AN AMERICAN ACCENT WHEN HIS WHOLE FAMILY HAS ENGLISH ACCENTS?! Even the slightest little things bugged me...

(Sorry I guess I turned this into my own rant, but why? WHY???? After the EW picture too??!!! :( )
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)07arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:10 pm (UTC)
UGH!!! This ep frustrated the heck out of me.

Rethinking made me feel better. It does actually all make sense character-wise. It's a journey, I just have to keep reminding myself it's a journey!

It actually made me see there's very little between Klaus and Caroline

I did enjoy them, I admit. Sorry you didn't. :(

And I'm beating my head against the wall that Damon GRABBED ELENA'S ARM. :headdesk: (oh, now my head is on my desk). NOOOOOOOO!!!! UGH! Bad Boyfriend Behavior 101.

He's done that before, though, in "The Sacrifice." He does tend to be grabby when he's afraid for her life AND she's just made a REALLY stupid decision that could conceivably could make her dead! Fortunately, it doesn't happen often, but I still didn't like it.

The line that really made me scream was Elena telling Stefan "Oh, you've always let me make my own choices!" Which was meant to paint as Damon's care for Elena's safety = taking away her freewill or something. ARGH!!! NOOOOOOO!!!! At least Damon admitted his "weakness" but GAH.

I don't like it, but it is in character for Elena as we saw last season.

Also didn't care for? Damon dancing with Elena, THEN Stefan dancing with Elena. :facepalm: I know, could mean nothing -- but I'm not liking that symbolism...

Oh, that didn't bother me in and of itself. I was just annoyed that we got NOTHING with the D/E dance part of it. I mean, we got the ultra-romantic Damon seeing Elena walk in and be awestruck, and Stefan didn't get that moment.

AND WHY DOES ELIJAH HAVE AN AMERICAN ACCENT WHEN HIS WHOLE FAMILY HAS ENGLISH ACCENTS?! Even the slightest little things bugged me...

I think I really don't care about accents because it never bugs me, LOL!

(Sorry I guess I turned this into my own rant, but why? WHY???? After the EW picture too??!!! :( )

Hopefully, my follow-up post will make you feel better. :)


Edited at 2012-02-10 11:10 pm (UTC)
archangel_blood: heartbeatsarchangel_blood on February 10th, 2012 01:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah, just... all of this.

You know, I really had to go hide under a rock after last night because all the Elena hating and name calling going on everywhere was frankly embarrassing. I'm just popping in here because I was sure you are one of the few people I know who wouldn't get sucked into the hate parade and I'm glad I was right.

However, I do have major problems with where they're going with Elena's character right now. How are we back to "Feel something, say something, please, Stefan"? How... what... WHY?! A couple episodes back he was threatening to kill her and Damon was there to pick up the pieces... again. Now Damon's love is a problem. And Stefan is apparently forgiven. Did I miss a full season or something? See, I'm all for angst and drama, but not when it's an unintentional result of bad writing.

I've stated several times that I feel like Elena becomes a completely different person around Stefan, a person that I just cannot enjoy. It's like her strength, her growth, her development are all being eradicated in a matter of seconds every time she's with him and it just doesn't matter what he does, she will always be the S1 Elena, staring at him all starry-eyed. I don't want that for her. It pains me to watch this and it doesn't have anything to do with me being a DE fan. This is all about Elena. I love the girl and I just want her to stand up for herself. I understand it must be hard, first love and all but I really, really want to at least see her TRY. The fact that she looked about ready to fall into Stefan's arms for a moment there just upset me. She should've been angry, hurt and she should've shown him every chance she got that she's working with him out of necessity, not by choice.

My heart is breaking for Damon. They just can't decide what they want from him - he doesn't care enough, he cares too much, he can never win. However, Elena did immediately feel sorry for saying what she said. I keep telling myself that she's just a stupid, bratty teenager and most teenagers do lash out like that. They would say whatever they think would hurt their opponent most without really meaning it or considering the consequences because, well, they're brats and Elena is no different, regardless of how mature she sometimes appears to be. We've all been there, I suppose - with parents, high school boyfriends, siblings. At one point or another, teenagers say stuff like "I hate you", "You're the worst parents ever" or "I don't wanna see you ever again" without really meaning any of it. Or was it just me? Was I the teenager from hell? lol

Also, I said that I want Elena to stand up for herself and I mean that, even if I think that she was wrong in this instance. Still, she did what she thought was right and I cannot be a hypocrite by only wanting her to be strong and independent with Stefan.

Oh, and I might have cheered a bit at D/R hooking up. Look at our boy, all mature and grown up. He's not killing random ladies when he's hurt anymore, he's just fucking them now. A definitive progress! lol Plus, I do want to see Elena's face when she finds out about this. Girl is in dire need of a wake up call.

Also:

- I get that Caroline still holds a grudge and Damon will probably never be one of her fave people. But honestly, her Stefan stanning is a little inappropriate at this point. Considering how he spent the last few months and him trying to kill Elena and all. Just saying.
- I hated Elena's dress. Sorry, it needed to be said. It was huge and sparkly and... huge, and it made her look like a cake with sickly looking glazing. Caroline's dress, however, I adored. Klaus's taste is impeccable, gotta give him that.
- I'm firmly on the Klaus/Caroline shippers list now. Huh. Yes, I'm kinda surprised myself.
- I love Elijah with all my heart. It freaking hurt to see Elena betray him like that, even if I understand her logic. Sorta.

Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)05arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
And I feel better about it now.

I do have major problems with where they're going with Elena's character right now. How are we back to "Feel something, say something, please, Stefan"? How... what... WHY?! A couple episodes back he was threatening to kill her and Damon was there to pick up the pieces... again. Now Damon's love is a problem. And Stefan is apparently forgiven. Did I miss a full season or something? See, I'm all for angst and drama, but not when it's an unintentional result of bad writing.

Nah, it's not bad writing (although, I was clearly pissed last night, LOL!). It is completely in character, as I detailed in my follow-up post. This does make sense. And this IS a journey.

I've stated several times that I feel like Elena becomes a completely different person around Stefan, a person that I just cannot enjoy. It's like her strength, her growth, her development are all being eradicated in a matter of seconds every time she's with him and it just doesn't matter what he does, she will always be the S1 Elena, staring at him all starry-eyed.

This I agree with, and I think it's going to be her journey to realize she can't go back, and he's NOT that guy.

My heart is breaking for Damon. They just can't decide what they want from him - he doesn't care enough, he cares too much, he can never win.

Yup.

However, Elena did immediately feel sorry for saying what she said. I keep telling myself that she's just a stupid, bratty teenager and most teenagers do lash out like that.

Yup.

Still, she did what she thought was right and I cannot be a hypocrite by only wanting her to be strong and independent with Stefan.

Lol, yup!

Oh, and I might have cheered a bit at D/R hooking up. Look at our boy, all mature and grown up. He's not killing random ladies when he's hurt anymore, he's just fucking them now. A definitive progress! lol Plus, I do want to see Elena's face when she finds out about this. Girl is in dire need of a wake up call.

I KNOW!!!

- I get that Caroline still holds a grudge and Damon will probably never be one of her fave people. But honestly, her Stefan stanning is a little inappropriate at this point. Considering how he spent the last few months and him trying to kill Elena and all. Just saying.

I talked about this in the follow-up post too. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean that it actually doesn't make sense. *sigh*

- I hated Elena's dress.

I didn't hate it, but I certainly didn't love it. Klaus does have impeccable taste, though. Caroline's dress? WHEE!

- I love Elijah with all my heart. It freaking hurt to see Elena betray him like that, even if I understand her logic. Sorta.

I'm still pissed at Daniel, I can't get over that yet, LOL!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - What? (Stefan)butterfly on February 10th, 2012 02:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, last night's episode was... frustrating in a lot of ways.

I think that the only thing I disagree with you about is that vamp-speed during sex doesn't throw me out of the moment and the Damon/Rebekah thing worked for me. I don't mind that they don't have as much chemistry because it was obviously not at all romantic and just the two of them working out frustration.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric02arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, last night's episode was... frustrating in a lot of ways.

I feel better. See my follow-up post. Yay!

Eh, the vamp speed just doesn't do it for me, LOL! I don't mind that they didn't have much chemistry, it just made it hard for me to get into even the non-romantic heat of it. Ah well.
ancholiaancholia on February 10th, 2012 04:04 pm (UTC)
As always, your review sum up well my feelings about the episode.
I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it.
Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...

By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don't like her most of the time) but I really don't care about Stefan.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)04arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:18 pm (UTC)
As always, your review sum up well my feelings about the episode.

Aww, I hope that my follow-up post helps make it better now. :)

I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it.

It really is in character, and I can see where she's coming from. It took some time for me to see that, but it is true.

Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...

Yeah, I think he needs to do that, though, even if I get Elena's point of view now.

By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don't like her most of the time) but I really don't care about Stefan.

Well, you know I love Bonnie and Stefan, and I don't think that Paul is a bad actor, but yeah, sensational he is not! I honestly think the praise was for seeing the snarky/evil side to Stefan, and because they'd been praising the hell out of Ian and Nina (and Candice) so much the last few seasons, they felt they had to be fair because Paul is so darn likable. Whatever. I wish journalists would ACT like journalists, and not kiss up to the show/actors, and act like fangirls. Ugh. (Yes, I'm looking at Kristin and Carina mostly right now.)
wiccabuffywiccabuffy on February 10th, 2012 04:27 pm (UTC)
I liked it... but that aside in terms of shippiness, I think once Elena finds out (because you KNOW she must!) about Damon/Rebekah, we'll finally see the jealousy from her that will make her realize that things aren't "complicated" -- she loves two brothers. Even Julie Plec made a point of talking about how Elena has one line of dialogue where she unconsciously said "being in love with vampires" (plural!) to Matt on the bridge. Elena just needs to fully realize and accept it.

Plus, she's already jealous of Damon/Rebekah anyway for their flirting marshmallow scene... :)
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)06arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
I feel a LOT better about the episode now, as I noted in my follow-up post. :) So, yay. I do think we will get there. Eventually. LOL!
sun_signsun_sign on February 10th, 2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
Damon is treated with the most respect and liking from Liz and Carol, and not from anyone supposedly in his inner circle.

I think that's simply because he respects them. They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).

Other than a few smiles, Elena treated Damon mostly like he was a nuisance.

I've been trying to make sense of this. She and Damon were on OK terms just last episode, why the sudden disdain for him? I'm suspecting it might have something to do with the fact that both Damon and Stefan went with her to the ball. Stefan around, and Elena didn't want to hurt his feelings by being too nice and flirty with Damon, especially after seeing his reaction to the kiss. She ended up hurting Damon's feelings instead, which she obviously wasn't proud of, but better Damon than Stefan.

Edited at 2012-02-10 06:40 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elena02arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
I think that's simply because he respects them.

He respects Elena and Ric, hell, even clearly respects Bonnie's witchy power.

They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).

I just disagree. Elena didn't really deserve much respect for her choices because they were STUPID! She was, once again, blithely putting her life in danger on the off-chance a woman who already tried to kill her (twice actually), uhm, wouldn't this time. Elena doesn't know that she's the star of a television show and thus won't be killed off. It was really, really, really stupid of her. That's what Damon didn't respect, but he still respects her. And he acts the same way with Elena (minus the being in love with her), Ric, Jeremy, Bonnie and Caroline as he does with Carol and Liz. He snarks, he comments, he points out idiocy (as he did with Carol tonight). Yeah, I just don't buy that.

I've been trying to make sense of this. She and Damon were on OK terms just last episode, why the sudden disdain for him?

It actually made sense for me after some soul-tv-searching (lol) and I detailed it in my follow-up post.
rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on February 10th, 2012 08:05 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry the Damon/Elena aspects of this episode didn't work for you :( I totally get it, but let me try to CHEER YOU UP.

I think the patterns of treating people being hard to break out of thing still works. Caroline has been interacting with Damon for two plus seasons, there's a lot of history there. There's a lot of patterns to break out of (plus again, the lifetime pass for her, in my opinion). But even though Klaus has done WAY WORSE things than Damon, she hasn't been around him really at all. So even though intellectually she knows he's all evilly, her first experiences with him PERSONALLY have not been that cut and dry. So there are no real patterns established. She doesn't really know how to react to all this.

And as much as she had moments of softening with Klaus, she was still giving him shit left and right, and she was still fighting for Tyler's freedom. Plus Klaus is hardcore pursuing her, telling her she's the beautifullest girl in all the land, and I think that's something that's really hard for someone with Caroline's insecurity/relationship issues to resist completely. (Who knows what would have happened if Damon at some point magically discovered he loved Caroline and majorly courted her, telling her he was an idiot for not seeing it before, that she's shiny and perfect and he picks her first before all others? Would she have been able to hold onto her hate? TBH, I'm not sure she would have.) That's why I'm so proud of her for sticking to her guns for the most part, she's grown SO MUCH.

And I honestly think Caroline is wearing blinders where Stefan is concerned, because of her loyalty to him as a friend/mentor to her. And I have to assume that she's talking about hypothetical-fixed-in-the-future-Stefan. Who, because of her abusive past with Damon, she still prefers as a romantic prospect for Elena. Caroline has ZERO objectivity in this situation, and for me, that's her prerogative till the end of time when it comes to Damon.

However, I do agree that at this point, SOMEBODY has to engage in some Stefan bashing soon (besides Damon and Elena, who have done their share of calling him out), because it's getting slightly ridiculously unbalanced at this point. Make it happen, show.

HOT DAMN!, did Ian Somerhalder look MIGHTY FINE in that tuxedo or what!?!?!? So hot I want to lick him up with a spoon. YUM!

Holy crap, YES. GUH. So delicious.

I actually did quite enjoy the Klaus/Caroline scenes and they definitely are my secondary Caroline-ship. There were some very lovely moments between the two, although, again, I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus.

TRUTH.

she treats him like a sexless boyfriend -- not realizing it, but she does -- and he lets her because he loves her so much. And it's REALLY not fair to him. So, hopefully this will lead to him stepping back so she can take a look at whether she wants him in her life close or not (I do think that eventually she'll find that she was really taking him, his presence, how he was with her for granted and that she does misses/needs/does love him). Maybe with what happened in tonight's episode, it will be the push he needs to man up, walk away and just be there to help the group save the day* but no longer be her -- well, I keep saying it, but it's true -- sexless boyfriend.

THIS. ALL THIS. Elena needs to realize that she's been (unconsciously) taking Damon for granted, and she needs to look hard at herself and what she wants in her life, and who Stefan is to her now, and who Damon is to her now. She's still holding on to the past, and she needs to come to grips with her new feelings for both boys. Things have changed inside her, I just think she's not quite ready to recognize that. So she needs a wake-up call, and this is it. This was Damon reaching the limit of being a sexless boyfriend for her. Now she has to deal with the consequences, which I think will lead to her finally accepting that she loves Damon and wants to be with him.

I do think we'll get something great and wondrous and awesome with Damon and Elena eventually. It's just going to take time.

EXACTLY. It's gonna happen and it's gonna be GLORIOUS when it does.
Arabian: Katherine03arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:33 pm (UTC)
You did help a bit, so thank you.

RE: the treatment of Damon -- I already referenced this (actually quoting the whole Caroline part) in my follow-up post. So thank you AGAIN very much. :)

However, I do agree that at this point, SOMEBODY has to engage in some Stefan bashing soon (besides Damon and Elena, who have done their share of calling him out), because it's getting slightly ridiculously unbalanced at this point. Make it happen, show.

Yes, it really, really, REALLY does.

RE: [Elena] treats him like a sexless boyfriend -- THIS. ALL THIS. Elena needs to realize that she's been (unconsciously) taking Damon for granted, and she needs to look hard at herself and what she wants in her life, and who Stefan is to her now, and who Damon is to her now.

Yup. I do believe that's going to happen, and that's going to be the rest of the season. Julie Plec said that she will make a choice at the end of the season and let's get real the absolutely predictable choice is getting back with Stefan, so I think -- since this IS TVD -- she'll either choose herself (LOL!) or Damon. I'd LIKE to see her choose Damon, and have the next two seasons basically be the triangle version of seasons 01/02 with Damon/Elena the couple, and Stefan on the sidelines, with him starting to find his way away from that and onto someone new (CAROLINE!) towards the end of season 05, and have season 06 just be Damon/Elena, and Stefan/Other (CAROLINE!). (I'm fairly certain they signed 6-year contracts, and I really can't see Nina/Ian re-signing beyond that, everyone else, possibly, but not those two.)

She's still holding on to the past, and she needs to come to grips with her new feelings for both boys. Things have changed inside her, I just think she's not quite ready to recognize that. So she needs a wake-up call, and this is it. This was Damon reaching the limit of being a sexless boyfriend for her. Now she has to deal with the consequences, which I think will lead to her finally accepting that she loves Damon and wants to be with him.

Yup, yup, yup and I kinda touched on some of that in my follow-up post.
tams71tams71 on February 10th, 2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
I can't say I'm happy. I'm not. The fact that Damon is being painted as the bad guy all-around while Stefan gets a clean slate (from Caroline), Stefan gets mushy feelings (from Elena), Klaus gets a mushy feelings (from Caroline), Elijah gets a clean slate (from Elena) and Damon is a self-destructive, controlling dick. For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw.

WORD! I am so sick and tired of Damon always being labeled the self-destructive, controlling, egomaniacal dick, when other characters like, oh for instance, Stefan and Elena are made out to be self-sacrificing, thoughtful, and do-gooders. It pisses me off to no end.

Elena continues to put herself and the lives of her family and friends in danger by making back-door deals, un-daggering originals, and acting and speaking before taking the time to think things through and she’s the thoughtful, kind, and “always thinking of someone else first” person. LAME! Stefan can threaten to off his "soulmate's" life on the same bridge where her parents died, kill countless people to prove a point, and piss off an original, setting him on a course to kill his "soulmate's" little brother, and then is begged by said girl to show her that he cares. Puh-lease!

Where did the badass, strong, determined, and ready to kick ass Elena go? Why is it that when Stefan is around Elena turns into a needy, whiny, pathetic version of herself and has no freaking self-respect? The Elena from last night’s episode was too much for me to stomach. Not only because she crushed Damon after he once again expressed how he felt, but because she went behind Damon’s back to broker a deal that she now regrets, lied to Elijah, begged Stefan to love her again, and reverted back into THAT girl who allows a man and his feelings for her to basically define her. I am OVER it!

Ian Somerhalder in a tux looking all James Bond like and sexy as hell…Rawrrrr

Love the blood forming a “family tree” special effects deal. So cool!

Esther is pretty bad-ass and I like her, but damn, she’s one crazy ass mama. I love Finn too. Such a good son to his mama. He must hate being a vampire as much as mama hates the fact that they all are. Not many dudes would willingly end their lives like that. Kol on the other hand is an ass! So glad that Damon schooled him and snapped his scrawny neck.

Caroline and Klaus - Love them! I love seeing Klaus vulnerable (well as vulnerable as a 1000 year old hybrid can be) and I love that it is Caroline who he fancies and that while he may have been upset that she called him out on his behavior, that he thanked her for her honesty. Caroline has truly grown into an outstanding woman and she deserves a strong “man” who she can match wits and be herself with. Sorry, but Tyler and Matt just can’t compete.

Speaking of the getting it on, yeah, I stand by what I wrote in "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Ian Somerhalder and Claire Holt just don't have great chemistry. There's some, because, duh, Ian Somerhalder, but overall, yeah, it just wasn't that hot for me, and I watched it a few times.

While I thought the scene between Damon and Rebekah with the marshmallow was very flirty, last night’s vamp sex scene was ruined for me by Claire’s cheesy, over the top porn faces. The chick looked like she was in pain when she should have looked like he was rockin’ her world. Seriously? Yes, Ian has chemistry with any and everybody, but last night, he could have been having sex with a lamp and I would have been more into it.

I'm gonna say it: I may be the only one, but I don't think that Paul Wesley is doing this stellar job this season. Other than when he's snarking, there's really no difference from this Stefan than from season 01/02 Stefan.

I could not agree more! When I first heard that Stefan would go all dark and deadly I thought, awesome, can’t wait to see how Paul plays it. I have truly been disappointed. No one does badass better than Ian Somerhalder, but I thought that Paul would give it a good shot and he has missed the mark unfortunately.

All in all, very disappointing episode :(
Arabian: Damon05arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
I am so sick and tired of Damon always being labeled the self-destructive, controlling, egomaniacal dick, when other characters like, oh for instance, Stefan and Elena are made out to be self-sacrificing, thoughtful, and do-gooders. It pisses me off to no end.

My follow-up post touches on the Damon aspect, and it does work for me now. Stefan not getting any comeuppance overall? This NEEDS to change. Period.

Elena continues to put herself and the lives of her family and friends in danger by making back-door deals, un-daggering originals, and acting and speaking before taking the time to think things through and she’s the thoughtful, kind, and “always thinking of someone else first” person.

Yup, I just mentioned to someone else that Elena doesn't know that she's the star of a television show and thus won't be killed off. It was really, really, really stupid of her.

Stefan can threaten to off his "soulmate's" life on the same bridge where her parents died, kill countless people to prove a point, and piss off an original, setting him on a course to kill his "soulmate's" little brother, and then is begged by said girl to show her that he cares. [...] Where did the badass, strong, determined, and ready to kick ass Elena go?

Yup, really touched on this one in my follow-up, so won't worry about it here.

Ian Somerhalder in a tux looking all James Bond like and sexy as hell…Rawrrrr -- Love the blood forming a “family tree” special effects deal. So cool!

This and this SO MUCH! :)

Kol on the other hand is an ass! So glad that Damon schooled him and snapped his scrawny neck.

Hah! I think we're the only ones who didn't like Kol all that much, but did Finn. Hah!

While I thought the scene between Damon and Rebekah with the marshmallow was very flirty, last night’s vamp sex scene was ruined for me by Claire’s cheesy, over the top porn faces.

You are not the only one, I've read tons of complaints about that elsewhere, LOL!

When I first heard that Stefan would go all dark and deadly I thought, awesome, can’t wait to see how Paul plays it. I have truly been disappointed. No one does badass better than Ian Somerhalder, but I thought that Paul would give it a good shot and he has missed the mark unfortunately.

Yeah. :(

All in all, very disappointing episode :( </i>

In retrospect, and putting my Damon/Damon-Elena fangirling aside, it was better than I originally gave it credit for being. This one may play A LOT better upon season-finish rewatch, IF the follow-through is where I hope it goes. :)
vanimy: Mad!Loisvanimy on February 10th, 2012 11:46 pm (UTC)
Agreed with a lot of things. As usual, lol!

Overall I felt the episode was much better than last week (it really flew by) but I'm SO pissed, lol. I knew what was coming (I'm actually glad I was spoiled) but I wasn't prepared for my sudden HATE for Elena in this episode.

-Like I just wanted to slap her. And that pains me to say that because apart from Damon, Elena's my favorite (especially this season and Grown!Up!Elena).

She was seriously awful ALL episode long. She was cold to Damon from the first second of the episode (where did this come from? the last time we saw them he was stroking her chin and she was looking at him with such a tender look in her eyes WTH??). The dance was completely off, you're right, there was only something on Damon's side, she just looked bored and of course the Stefan/Elena dance was all intimate. Then she conspires with Stefan (what happened to her saying she trusted Damon and didn't trust Stefan like three episodes ago and before Stefan even tried to KILL her??) to hurt Damon (and no, the guilty look doesn't change anything, Elena) then her lashing out at him after he tells her he loves her (even if it was in the middle of an argument) and then like it wasn't enough, literally throwing herself at Stefan's feet after all he did to her and only calmly comment that Damon's in a self-destructive mood and 'oh, well, see how late it is, I'm going to get some sleep! you mean, I should check on Damon? nooo he's only on a self-destructive path, no big deal!'

And as if this wasn't enough.... not only was she dumb enough to go see Esther and trust the woman, she actually lies to Elijah's face; that's where I disagree with you BTW ;) All the originals can go but not Elijah. I kinda hoped he'd get a happy ending (with Katherine :P) and just walk off into the sunset. Elena just let Elijah go to his death, Elijah who's saved her life several times, Elijah who trusted her to tell him the truth like she trusted him before. He's always been nothing but nice to her, always. She should've let him know. I was yelling at my screen at this point and was already enraged at Elena even before the final Damon/Elena scene lol.

-Totally agree with you on Stefan just being S1/S2 Stefan in this episode. No subtlety, just teary eyes. Oh and don't even get me started on Stefan/Elena picking up where they left like nothing happened at all. *shakes head* I actually rolled my eyes so HARD when Elena stopped Stefan on the porch and they had their stupid scene.

-Damon. My poor Damon.... Like you I'm tired of seeing people take him for granted and assuming the worst from him like all he did for the past two seasons was for nothing. Elena treated him like dirt, his brother gloated over how he was the one Elena turned to now, he saved Matt's life and everyone thought he was a freak. And now people accuse him of caring too much. That's rich.

I was almost glad he drowned his sorrow with Rebekah who also got rejected and seems to have rejection issues as well. Ian S and Claire Holt don't have a lot of chemistry but holy Batman I thought that ripping out clothes moment was hot as hell. That's when I decided the scene was hot.

-Elijah, my bb. He's always so moral, even Esther says it, can't he just have a break and be spared? Argh.

-I think Esther's a psycho, I'm sorry. She's willing to murder her own kids, that's just not right. Especially the ones who don't even murder anyone LIKE ELIJAH. :P But I did like the scene with Finn too, it was a nice warm moment.

-Okay, one of the things that soothed my Delena heart was Klaus/Caroline. I'm back to liking Klaus again (wow can't seem to make up my mind about him!!) he was just so cute at trying to woo Caroline and failing so obviously. And I liked the drawing thing. I'm jumping aboard the Klaus/Caroline ship!! I was glad for the distraction.
vanimy: TVDvanimy on February 10th, 2012 11:46 pm (UTC)
-Agreed on everything about Delena. The writers keep on torturing us. Even the episodes we had this season were always tainted with the Stefan/Elena shadow. And when we finally have a kiss after three freaking seasons we get nothing for three episodes in a row and then they do this to us... Now I'm all for Damon stepping back, really and hooking up with anyone he wants. Because right now I don't even want Elena near him. I hope she realizes her loss and yes, I also hope she hears about the Rebekah thing and it does something to her. And I hope she comes to him and apologizes for what she said. Now I just wish Damon would let them take care of everything on their own and not save the day. Yes, I'm bitter and very protective of my bb Damon. :P

Sorry for the rant!!
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roselani24roselani24 on February 10th, 2012 11:58 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to apologize for my rather long rant. =/ I was really upset last night. I've read your second post and its helped me calm down a bit so thank you.
Arabian: Damon10arabian on February 11th, 2012 12:03 am (UTC)
Oh, no need to apologize at ALL!! I totally get it, I was near tears last night. I get it. TOTALLY. :)

(Did you want me to respond to your posts above or does the stuff in the follow-up post cover it?) :)
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roselani24roselani24 on February 11th, 2012 01:26 am (UTC)
Part 1 re-post

I can't say I'm happy. I'm not. The fact that Damon is being painted as the bad guy all-around while Stefan gets a clean slate (from Caroline), Stefan gets mushy feelings (from Elena), Klaus gets a mushy feelings (from Caroline), Elijah gets a clean slate (from Elena) and Damon is a self-destructive, controlling dick. For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw

WORD! Just, GAH! I’m Soooooo upset with Elena right now!! I could hardly believe how she was acting this episode. And Damon, oh how my heart broke for him! ETA I'm not as upset as I was, but I'm still not happy with her.

Oh, right, Damon -- he can never be forgiven or treated with any kind of understanding. No, he'll always be judged, and found wanting. rose_marie_rose had made me feel better by pointing out that people stick with patterns of how they treat someone, and that when someone starts out bad, it's harder to let go of that aspect of them, as opposed to someone starting out good. In that case you tend to remember the good. However, that doesn't work now because of ... the attitude/reaction to Klaus, and Caroline preferring Stefan -- who killed tons of people, including two classmates, and terrorized Elena (of his own free will) -- to be with Elena, rather than Damon, and Elena being all 'Oh, Stefan! Feel something for me, bb!' Yeah.

This right here is what bothers me so much about how Damon is treated. Now, I know he was a dick at the beginning of the series and that he was cruel and unkind and manipulative. And that was all learned behavior. It’s not like Stefan was going out of his way to help his brother or reach him. Nothing of what we’ve seen or been told indicates that Stefan has been there for Damon in the slightest since they turned 146 years ago (before the first season I mean). Worse, Stefan betrayed Damon and made Damon turn. One could argue Damon had a choice, but I would also say the minute Damon smelled the fresh human blood mere inches away it was over for him. No vampire in transition has been able to resist, except Bill Forbes and really his choice to not change hinged largely on the fact he hated vampires and refused to become one. But my point is he has made great efforts to change. He’s not that cruel and manipulative anymore. Does it erase all the terrible things he did? Certainly not!

The one thing Esther got right and impressed me moderately with was saying that forgiveness is a gift. Because it is. We forgive not because somebody deserves it, but because we choose to. And that forgiveness is more for us then for the person who hurt us because it means we let it go and whatever it was they did or said to hurt us and the healing can begin. Forgiveness is also something I’ve been pondering on a personal level so seeing how the lack of forgiveness here is affecting the characters makes me think all the more.

tbc
Arabian: Damon11arabian on February 11th, 2012 01:57 am (UTC)
I’m Soooooo upset with Elena right now!! I could hardly believe how she was acting this episode. And Damon, oh how my heart broke for him! ETA I'm not as upset as I was, but I'm still not happy with her.

I'm not happy with her, but I understand where she's coming from and as long as I can get to that point, I'm good. :)

[The double-standard] right here is what bothers me so much about how Damon is treated. Now, I know he was a dick at the beginning of the series and that he was cruel and unkind and manipulative. And that was all learned behavior. It’s not like Stefan was going out of his way to help his brother or reach him. Nothing of what we’ve seen or been told indicates that Stefan has been there for Damon in the slightest since they turned 146 years ago (before the first season I mean).

Yup, and even more you had Lexi come upon them and decide that she's only going to help the special snowflake that is Stefan, while just letting Damon merrily go on his way.

Worse, Stefan betrayed Damon and made Damon turn. One could argue Damon had a choice, but I would also say the minute Damon smelled the fresh human blood mere inches away it was over for him. No vampire in transition has been able to resist, except Bill Forbes and really his choice to not change hinged largely on the fact he hated vampires and refused to become one. But my point is he has made great efforts to change. He’s not that cruel and manipulative anymore. Does it erase all the terrible things he did? Certainly not!

SO MUCH THIS! I can not disagree with any point you make here. :)

The one thing Esther got right and impressed me moderately with was saying that forgiveness is a gift. Because it is. We forgive not because somebody deserves it, but because we choose to. And that forgiveness is more for us then for the person who hurt us because it means we let it go and whatever it was they did or said to hurt us and the healing can begin. Forgiveness is also something I’ve been pondering on a personal level so seeing how the lack of forgiveness here is affecting the characters makes me think all the more.

And it's a very good point. Hopefully, we start to see this work and affect all characters in a positive way.
roselani24: Damon 15 by arabianroselani24 on February 11th, 2012 01:32 am (UTC)
Part 2

I feel that Damon alone at this point has expressed true forgiveness for his brother’s actions and the hurt from before ala transitioning into vampires and giving up Katherine. Elena…she doesn’t forgive. Not truly if she’s still holding Damon’s actions against him. Even if she can forgive her girlfriends and her abusive ex, if she can’t forgive Damon then she doesn’t really know how to. Not that he doesn’t deserve that on some scale, especially from Caroline, but as a result none of them can truly move forward. Elena is all ready to forgive Stefan (grrrr, how I hated her and Stefan’s talk at the end! ETA still do) when he hurt her in a far worse way then Damon ever did IMO.

If there is one other character, of the main cast anyway, whose been working on forgiving, I’d have to say its Bonnie. She alone seems to be truly overcoming and letting go of what Damon did. Forgiving him completely. She hasn’t yet, but I feel she’s getting there. Same with what happened with Jeremy. I don’t know what to think about Elena now. Ric is still acting screwy and acting like an idiot in general and doesn’t seem to have forgiven Damon for killing him despite the fact is was Ric’s own doucheness (and Elena’s callousness) that pushed Damon to the breaking point. Doesn’t justify hat Damon did, but I understand why Damon did it. A punch would have sufficed I think, but that probably would have broken Ric’s jaw and that wouldn’t have healed right away cause he wasn’t, you know, dead. I wish Jeremy was still here!!! I have a feeling Jeremy may well be the only one who might side with Damon in this whole mess. Granted, I could be completely wrong but there’s still a chance. I just want SOMEONE to take a stand for Damon!!!

I actually did quite enjoy the Klaus/Caroline scenes and they definitely are my secondary Caroline-ship. There were some very lovely moments between the two, although, again, I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus.

I agree very much. Actually, I kept hoping to get away from Stefan and Elena back to Klaus and Caroline. At least they didn't make me feel sick to my stomach.

Re: However, as of now, she treats him like a sexless boyfriend -- not realizing it, but she does -- and he lets her because he loves her so much.

You said it! By golly Elena, could you have been more cruel and thoughtless all around?

Also, I was not impressed with her determination to meet Esther all by herself. Damon was absolutely right about Esther trying to kill Elena before, nearly succeeding too I might add, and was right to be extra cautious. But apparently Damon is the only one with common sense these days cause Elena was off and determined to meet Esther alone to see what she wants. How stupid is she??? She’s a doppelgänger for crying out loud, hasn’t she figured out yet that it usually means her blood is needed for something constantly??? Her blood allows Klaus to make his hybrids. Her blood was the key to breaking the curse on Klaus preventing him from being a true hybrid, oh and Tatia, the Original Petrova doppleganger’s blood was used in the ritual to turn the Mikaelson family into vampires. Gee, wonder what Esther could want? Oh, just a little drop of blood! And since Elena's blood is the binding link, doesn't that mean she'll die too? *headdesk* I can’t imagine why Damon didn’t want her anywhere near the original witch /sarcasm/*rolls eyes*

ETA: You make a great point about her still being a teenager and the Queen of Denial and in character for her. Nevertheless, I still wanna slap some sense in her head.


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Arabian: Damon07arabian on February 11th, 2012 02:05 am (UTC)
I feel that Damon alone at this point has expressed true forgiveness for his brother’s actions and the hurt from before ala transitioning into vampires and giving up Katherine. Elena…she doesn’t forgive. Not truly if she’s still holding Damon’s actions against him. Even if she can forgive her girlfriends and her abusive ex, if she can’t forgive Damon then she doesn’t really know how to.

I do disagree with this because I do believe that Elena has forgiven Damon. Her believing that he was being self-destructive wasn't about thinking the worst of Damon, it was about recalling how Damon reacted in the past.

Elena is all ready to forgive Stefan (grrrr, how I hated her and Stefan’s talk at the end! ETA still do) when he hurt her in a far worse way then Damon ever did IMO.

And, as I said in the follow-post, I think that she's "forgiven" Stefan because she's decided there are two Stefans at play, and the one on the porch was the one she loves, and the other is ... well, not.

If there is one other character, of the main cast anyway, whose been working on forgiving, I’d have to say its Bonnie.

I agree with this. :) Go Bonnie!! :D

A punch would have sufficed I think, but that probably would have broken Ric’s jaw and that wouldn’t have healed right away cause he wasn’t, you know, dead.

EXACTLY! Which is why Damon did it that way!

I wish Jeremy was still here!!! I have a feeling Jeremy may well be the only one who might side with Damon in this whole mess. Granted, I could be completely wrong but there’s still a chance. I just want SOMEONE to take a stand for Damon!!!

Eh, I don't think Jeremy would be on Damon's side, LOL! I know, I know, you lurve the Damon/Jeremy like me, but alas, we certainly haven't been given enough to think this would be the case. :(

Elena, could you have been more cruel and thoughtless all around?

She's eighteen, yeah. :(

Also, I was not impressed with her determination to meet Esther all by herself.

I just agree with all of this so hard. As I said above, Elena doesn't know that she's the star of a television show and thus won't be killed off. It was really, really, really stupid of her.

ETA: You make a great point about her still being a teenager and the Queen of Denial and in character for her. Nevertheless, I still wanna slap some sense in her head.

Thank you, and yes, but I look at it this way: Damon did a lot of growing season 02 (as Elena has done this season), but he also regressed, two steps forward, a few steps back, etc. and so on because that's how growth (that eventually sticks) generally works. Same thing with Elena too. She's regressing. I don't like it, I don't want it, but I didn't like it or want it with Damon either (and I wanted to slap him too!), but it was necessary to get him to where he's getting now. SO MUCH BETTER! The same will happen with Elena. :)
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roselani24: Damon 15 by arabianroselani24 on February 11th, 2012 01:37 am (UTC)
Part 3

And then for her to trick Damon and have Stefan kill him, even temporarily so she can have her way…I’m sorry but that isn’t the actions of an adult, those are that of a spoiled child who wants to do what she wants, consequences be damned. ETA: or just a bratty teenager as you said. Or perhaps it was arrogance in thinking she’s too valuable to kill. Elijah did save her from Rebekah the night before and Klaus definitely doesn’t want her dead. Doesn’t make Elena any less stupid in my eyes. Yes I’m being judgy because I’m seriously peeved with her, especially for how she’s been USING Damon and taking him completely for granted like you said.

And seriously, why didn’t Elena ask for details about this ritual Esther needed her blood for? She didn’t ask nearly enough questions or push enough for answers. Even if that got Esther mad, better to ask then to not. Esther’s reaction alone to the questions would have provided a wealth of information.

Back to Damon, I hope you’re right that he’s gonna man up and walk away and let Stefan worry about her because if Damon’s a liability…*shakes head* then they are well and truly screwed. Heh, though the preview seemed to suggest…err, this is probably spoilery, so if you don’t want to know skip to the next paragraph—the preview suggests that Damon is very much needed to save Elena when a certain blonde original decides to get some revenge and he isn’t exactly going to jump back on the band wagon. Go Damon!

On a more positive note, because this has largely been negative, I liked Elijah in this eppy. Whether or not I still will remains to be seen. I don’t really want to see him become another love interest of Elena’s. I’d much rather it be Katherine. I miss Katherine sooo much! Elijah/Elena just…eek. No. Not my thing. I enjoy their friendship definitely and Elena’s betrayal will certainly come back around to her.

Also loved Damon and Carol’s brief interaction. It served as a great reminder that Damon is an adult that was turned into a vampire vs a teenager turned into a vampire. Made me wish Liz was there too. I adore Damon and Liz’s friendship and have since Season 1. I hope we see more of them together. Liz is very up front with Damon but also kind and firm. She respects him despite learning he's a vampire and it’s so glaringly obvious like you said when no one from Damon’s supposed inner circle does. =(

Last thing and then I’ll shut up, I promise. When Damon and Kol met I got the distinct impression that there is some sort of history between them. Now Klaus compelled Stefan to forget about him and Rebekah, so why not Kol compelling Damon? It certainly opens a window to learning a bit more about Damon’s past since we know so little about it but the here say of Stefan and a couple flashbacks about Katherine and the one with Lexi (gah, I can’t stand her!). Otherwise there is virtually nothing but a few comments here and there. Heck, we know more about Klaus, Elijah, and Rebekah at different points in their pasts then Damon!

To sum up, I agree heartily with your post and reaction! ETA: and your second, calm post that examines Elena's character is great and definitely helped me understand her a bit better.

P.S Lookie! Icons! Thank you so much. :D I had a lot of fun looking through them and choosing some awesome ones like that one.
Arabian: Damon03arabian on February 11th, 2012 02:12 am (UTC)
And then for her to trick Damon and have Stefan kill him, even temporarily so she can have her way…I’m sorry but that isn’t the actions of an adult, those are that of a spoiled child who wants to do what she wants, consequences be damned. ETA: or just a bratty teenager as you said.

Yup, bratty teenager, LOL!

why didn’t Elena ask for details about this ritual Esther needed her blood for? She didn’t ask nearly enough questions or push enough for answers. Even if that got Esther mad, better to ask then to not. Esther’s reaction alone to the questions would have provided a wealth of information.

So, so, so stupid, Elena. SO STUPID!

Back to Damon, I hope you’re right that he’s gonna man up and walk away and let Stefan worry about her because if Damon’s a liability…*shakes head* then they are well and truly screwed.

I really, really hope that is where this is all leading.

Heh, though the preview seemed to suggest…err, this is probably spoilery, so if you don’t want to know skip to the next paragraph—the preview suggests that Damon is very much needed to save Elena when a certain blonde original decides to get some revenge and he isn’t exactly going to jump back on the band wagon. Go Damon!

I'm not spoiler-free anymore, wasn't happening anyway. Yeah, I hope Damon walks away. Let all of them work on saving her.

I don’t really want to see him become another love interest of Elena’s.

That's my fear because of how they're talking it up in the press now. Ugh!

I’d much rather it be Katherine. I miss Katherine sooo much! Elijah/Elena just…eek. No. Not my thing. I enjoy their friendship definitely and Elena’s betrayal will certainly come back around to her.

Me to, me too ... but they seem to have forgotten the great backstory we got in "Klaus." :(

Also loved Damon and Carol’s brief interaction. It served as a great reminder that Damon is an adult that was turned into a vampire vs a teenager turned into a vampire.

Yup and yup!

Made me wish Liz was there too.

Always.

I adore Damon and Liz’s friendship and have since Season 1. I hope we see more of them together. Liz is very up front with Damon but also kind and firm. She respects him despite learning he's a vampire and it’s so glaringly obvious like you said when no one from Damon’s supposed inner circle does. =(

I ADORE Damon and Liz SO MUCH!

Last thing and then I’ll shut up, I promise.

I REALLY do not mind long comments (or multiple ones), I promise. You see how much I write, how could I mind when others do the same? :)

When Damon and Kol met I got the distinct impression that there is some sort of history between them. Now Klaus compelled Stefan to forget about him and Rebekah, so why not Kol compelling Damon?

Hmm, I know that Julie Plec mentioned they toyed with doing a crazy, wild night with them, but have gone in a different direction, but yeah, there was definitely something there.

It certainly opens a window to learning a bit more about Damon’s past since we know so little about it but the here say of Stefan and a couple flashbacks about Katherine and the one with Lexi (gah, I can’t stand her!).

Oh, I love you! I CAN'T STAND LEXI EITHER!!! Even from her first appearance!!! Good news, episode 16 is called "1912" and it's a Damon-centric flashback, with nary a Stefan in sight! (We've been VERY denied more Damon-centric flashbacks!) Oh, girl, we have so much in common. You need to click on my Vampire Diaries tag and go to town. I love reading long, rambling comments. Take your time, but please do so!!

To sum up, I agree heartily with your post and reaction! ETA: and your second, calm post that examines Elena's character is great and definitely helped me understand her a bit better.

Good, and good! :)

P.S Lookie! Icons! Thank you so much. :D I had a lot of fun looking through them and choosing some awesome ones like that one.

Glad you found some you liked. :)
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roselani24roselani24 on February 11th, 2012 09:55 am (UTC)

I have a couple theories bobbing round in my head and I figured I'd share and see what you think. :)

Theory 1- Esther's body being preserved by Ayanna, Bonnie's ancestor (which I predicted the minute she was introduced! Ha!): Klaus killed her by ripping out her heart. Esther specifically said the Esther cast a spell that preserved her body. But what about her heart? I highly doubt Ayanna put Esther's heart back in her chest so it has to be around somewhere, probably preserved too. I have a feeling that for Esther to die again for good, her heart is what will have to be destroyed first.

Theory 2- Klaus' blood: Klaus' hybrid blood is the cure for a werewolf bite. And his blood was in the system of almost every single main/major character including Damon, Stefan, Katherine, Tyler, Caroline, and Alaric. The spell binding the original vampire siblings together is based on a blood tie: the doppelganger's. To me, that means when they die, everything bond to them by blood will also die. So that's the Salvatores, Ric, Elena, Katherine, Tyler, all the hybrids, possibly even all vampires. At the very least, it will kill Elena and Katherine as well as the Originals. I include Katherine because she was a doppelganger despite turning into a vampire and while she's no longer pure, her blood is still tied to Elena.

Eh, that one makes more sense in my head,lol.
Arabian: Damon10arabian on February 11th, 2012 06:13 pm (UTC)
Theory 1 - Okay, that is VERY interesting. And it kinda reminds me of the locket not being destroyed. Maybe it's tied to Esther's heart?! Hmm....

Theory 2 - I don't think it's that convoluted, but I did wonder if all vampires would be taken down if the Originals from whence they came were taken out. Hmm....
Florenciaflorencia7 on February 11th, 2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
"Which of these things is not the like the other?" - lol Even though I'm very sad after that last episode, the way in which you wrote this made me smile ^^ Thank you!

I don't know if that's deliberate on the writers' side, but I think it's quite meaningful that Liz & Carol seem to genuinely like Damon & they are actual adults, meaning they are wiser than most of the other characters who are, well, teenagers.

"I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus. But hey, he's not Damon. That explains it." - So true. There are just no words - it's ridiculous. Everyone is drowning in redeeming qualities, except for Damon. Damon shall be held in eternal contempt for... being Damon.

The moment when Elena walked in, Damon's face (& the fact that we were only shown Damon's face without any shots of Stefan), the length of that scene, the music - for some reason it just made me dead certain that Delena is the heart of this show & that despite appearances, the writers know it too ;)

*off to read part 2* :)
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)07arabian on February 11th, 2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
Even though I'm very sad after that last episode, the way in which you wrote this made me smile ^^ Thank you!

Glad someone got a laugh out of that, hee!

I don't know if that's deliberate on the writers' side, but I think it's quite meaningful that Liz & Carol seem to genuinely like Damon & they are actual adults, meaning they are wiser than most of the other characters who are, well, teenagers.

And Elena and Bonnie (unlike Stefan and Caroline) are starting to see Damon's way of things more often, uh huh.

The moment when Elena walked in, Damon's face (& the fact that we were only shown Damon's face without any shots of Stefan), the length of that scene, the music - for some reason it just made me dead certain that Delena is the heart of this show & that despite appearances, the writers know it too ;)

Yup, and a point that came up in the follow-up post (where I suggested you check out other posts in there ... because some great points!), that was a truly romantic moment. Everything with Stefan and Elena was tinged with manipulations, lies, pretense, etc. Even that porch scene, when you think about it, was NOT romantic. sumeria made the point that she thought Elena was talking, trying to get through to Stefan as a FRIEND. And I think (that paired with my take on that scene), it makes a LOT of sense. Firstly, she used similar (if not the very same) words that Lexi did about getting through to Stefan in "Ghost World." Plus -- and this is key for a show that LOVES its parallels -- Elena did the EXACT same thing to Damon when she was trying to get through to him in "Homecoming" (hands-on-the-face) and she wasn't trying to be romantic there at all. She was trying to a be a good friend getting through to him. It was the same thing here. The difference? It worked with Damon; it didn't with Stefan.

So if that's a parallel (and I certainly flashed back to that "Homecoming" scene), well, Damon = 1, Stefan = 0 because it worked with Damon.

So woohoo!
jamdouradojamdourado on February 12th, 2012 07:32 am (UTC)
I love reading your recaps, it helps to be less angry with TVD and the writers.

I guess every DE fan was hurt along with Damon after this episode, he did nothing wrong and still he took all the blame. Damon saved Matt, and he was being self destructive? Seriously?

I didn't like the Damon/Rebekah sex scenes too, the only good thing about this is naked Damon and, possibly, jealous Elena.

I loved mama Original and her plan, I have a feeling Elena will regret participating of it.

Arabian: Damon10arabian on February 12th, 2012 04:02 pm (UTC)
You should check out my follow-up post. It should really help with most lingering upset. :)

I didn't like the Damon/Rebekah sex scenes too, the only good thing about this is naked Damon and, possibly, jealous Elena. I loved mama Original and her plan, I have a feeling Elena will regret participating of it.

Yuppers. And I certainly hope so.
dante_kentdante_kent on February 12th, 2012 09:45 am (UTC)
I very much understand where you're coming from on the D/E front. I'm actually thrilled with the D/E in this episode, because the way I ship them is very weird and dark and twisted, but it was hard to watch, because it made it very clear that we are not close to them starting a romantic relationship. It hurts, tbh. But I kind of love the pain.

What I DON'T love is the Stefan/Elena of it all. Mostly because of this:

Everything that is awesome about Elena pretty much goes down the drain with Stefan. Instead of the smart, ass-kicking, awesome woman we've known this season, she becomes this pathetic, clinging, submissive girl with Stefan.

EXACTLY. This was my biggest problem with the episode. I think the show's done a pretty excellent job of making Elena stronger this season, but in this episode she was so desperate, and it just didn't work with where her arc has been taking her. I get that she has Stefan blinders on, I really do, and that makes perfect sense to me. But her basically pleading with him to love her brought out the secret feminist in me, and, just, GRR. Not ok.

I try very, very hard to not be bothered by how much Kevin and Julie worry about the hurting the Stefan/Elena fans' feelings. It is not easy. But I console myself by remembering that the Damon/Elena relationship has been so beautifully written, while the S/E storyline is largely lazy, and what show would devote that much time to build up a relationship if it didn't intend to stick with it? And in the end, even if it isn't endgame, it is indisputably the better story, and I have to appreciate that (English major forever, basically).

I'm into Klaroline. I acknowledge that it makes no sense whatsoever. But they're still weirdly adorable? I don't even know. It was just awesome.

D/E was unbearably painful in this episode, but I actually LOVE what the show did with them. I've pretty much written novels on this in the last 48 hours, so I won't flail too much here, but I just found it to be remarkably in character, and extremely interesting. That being said, I'm pretty emotionally exhausted by how much I've been thinking about THAT SCENE. I love it and I hate it and I just keep watching it. Over and over again.

it will be the push he needs to man up, walk away and just be there to help the group save the day* but no longer be her -- well, I keep saying it, but it's true -- sexless boyfriend.

This is EXACTLY what I want. My #1 wish for this next episode is for Damon to be MAD at Elena. She treated him cruelly, and for once he didn't deserve it. I want him to essentially cold-shoulder her: he'll still be her protector, but he will pull back from being her emotional support. I think it will be good for Damon, and I would love to see how Elena responds to it. I seriously, seriously want this.
Arabian: Caroline06arabian on February 12th, 2012 03:52 pm (UTC)
I don't know if you've gotten to my follow-up post, but I now see the Stefan/Elena scene COMPLETELY different and it's about Elena's empathy, not Stefan-blinders, I think.

I try very, very hard to not be bothered by how much Kevin and Julie worry about the hurting the Stefan/Elena fans' feelings. It is not easy. But I console myself by remembering that the Damon/Elena relationship has been so beautifully written, while the S/E storyline is largely lazy, and what show would devote that much time to build up a relationship if it didn't intend to stick with it? And in the end, even if it isn't endgame, it is indisputably the better story

I tell myself the only thing that makes sense is that they know once they get to the D/E side of things, that's it. I have a theory that Elena may choose Damon at the end of the season and season 04/05 will be Damon/Elena as the couple -- dealing with all of their issues and, UNLIKE Stefan/Elena working through them and not ignoring them -- while Stefan is on the outside of the triangle, rather a reverse of seasons 01/02. The difference will be that Elena/Damon were falling towards each other during those first two seasons, and all of the romantical-shaped feelings of Elena/Stefan will be falling away from each other. And then season 06 (which is I believe all they're signed for and I can't see Nina or Ian re-signing no matter what is thrown at them) being Elena/Damon as the couple, while the major issues dealt with are Damon/Stefan's relationship, Elena/Stefan truly becoming friends, and Stefan/Other (Caroline, please!). That makes this season the interim one. It really is the only thing that kinda makes sense, fits the narrative flow of the over-reaching series arc and balance/pattern, and it explains why they coddle S/E fans SO MUCH.

I mean, the proof is in the writing, right? And the writing has been as Damon/Elena as THE epic couple of the show when you look at the overall arc. The care, crafting, time, effort has been towards/for Damon and Elena. (Hell, Damon and Stefan have had had more nurtured, better writing with more depth and wrought meaning than have Stefan and Elena.) And everything about Stefan/Elena when looked at it closely reveals a terribly unhealthy relationship. And I do think that's becoming more and more clear. This season I linked to recap/reviews from various sites over on tvdbloodstream, but I gave up around episode 7 because I was going mad from the constant 'Stefan and Elena's twu wuv foreva' and the plainly-stated 'fact' that 'well, of course, they're never actually going there with Damon/Elena.'

It was so clear to me we were heading in the opposite direction, so I walked away because they never watched this show with anything more than casual eyes that tried to dissect at all. Well, apparently, this last episode had the majority of them seeing Damon/Elena as endgame and Stefan/Elena not so hot. Which means, that the building towards this has been happening all season to the point where even those who don't dissect are seeing it. I do think this will turn out to be a turning point episode and good for the D/E ship in the long run, their big mistake was that they didn't give D/E some big AAAAHHH! moment. Coming off of the heightened emotions of the kiss, we then got three episodes of barely any interaction at all, and then they temporarily gutted our ship in this one. We needed ONE big moment to cling to, and that's where they screwed up I think.

I think it will be good for Damon, and I would love to see how Elena responds to it. I seriously, seriously want this.

I think, hope, we're getting to the point where Damon is going to HAVE to pull away so Elena can see -- THIS IS WHAT IT IS LIKE WITHOUT DAMON!

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Frust-sheep: misc: Fandom-We know dramafrust_sheep on February 12th, 2012 08:38 pm (UTC)
Is speechless about the episode. *shakeshead*

Fanbase, fanbase... I so agree about this: "we got fair balance on the show". I mean, is that really too much to ask for? I want that too so desperatly and not only in the TVD fandom. *ARG*
Sorry, but I have to say it: DAMN WRITERS!!!
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on February 13th, 2012 05:00 am (UTC)
It was a turning point episode, I think, that in character. I think (hope) that we'll get our fair share (and then some) the next two seasons. :)