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06 February 2012 @ 12:19 am
Spoiler-free no more + Plenty TVD thoughts  
I've been casually spoiled so much in so many little ways that I just decided to forget going spoiler free because clearly it's not possible if you want to be active in way, shape or form in a fandom.

Oh, well, I tried.

Okay, so Damon obviously sleeps with someone at the end of the next episode 3.14 ("Dangerous Liasons") and considering those present right now, I'm guessing Rebekah. Not really the point of my discussion (although I'm not particularly happy about Damon and Stefan sharing ANOTHER female, geez). My frustration comes from the fact that the write-ups I've seen all about this (including discussion from actors/writers, etc.) is that Damon is doing something "wrong" by turning to someone else. Can I ask in all honesty ... why? He is not Elena's boyfriend. They kissed without extenuating circumstances exactly once and she made it perfectly clear to him (and others) after the fact that it wouldn't happen again. He doesn't owe her fidelity in way, shape or form so why should there be any "consequences" for sleeping with someone? He's single and the girl he does love has made it clear it's not happening, so why shouldn't he form other romantic/sexual attachments? What? He's supposed to just chastely pine for her while *she* pines over her abusive boyfriend? That is what would make him a "good guy?" I don't think so.

Which brings me to a big concern I'm having with the show right now. This one was brought upon by two things specifically (but has been building in my mind since episode 3.04): 1) Alaric's douchy attitude towards Damon and the fact that the events of "Disturbing Behavior" continue to be spoken of as if DAMON was the only one in the wrong. 2) An interview with Ian Somerhalder where he basically said that really Elena shouldn't be with Damon because he's a "dick." My concern is that, well, really, he's not. Not anymore. Sure, he's snarky, and sarcastic, but so is Ric, Jeremy and Tyler. All of the characters have such moments, in fact. Damon helps EVERYBODY. Damon protects EVERYBODY. Damon is a shoulder to lean on for Elena and for Ric. Damon goes out of his way to help, protect, keep safe, etc. these people. How is he still considered the bad guy ... and treated as such while everyone is acting like no big with Stefan?

Is Damon allowed to get absolutely no credit for the positive changes he's made, the positive choices in his life? The fact that he's managed to turn his wicked ways around, hasn't killed anyone in ages, doesn't feed on humans (other than Bill -- when he was pushed to the limit) anymore ... all on his own. He didn't have a torturing best buddy to teach him the gentler way of being a vampire. Yet, he's still the dick that everyone treats like crap, and based on actor/writer commentary this certainly seems to be the case, and I don't get it. I don't like it, and I don't get it. And, on the other side of the coin, is Stefan to suffer no consequences -- other than of his own making, screwing things up with Elena and Damon -- for all of his horrible, negative choices? Or does he just continue to get the free pass from EVERYONE with a submissive, accepting Elena waiting at the end of the season to take him back into her arms?

I'm legitimately getting worried that what I love about this show is going to start to fall apart. Because --

1.) I don't see Damon as a jerk, yet apparently I'm supposed to think he is one.

2.) I think that Ric is being an asshole to him, but I guess I'm supposed to see him as being awesome to so tolerantly put up with having to deal with Damon in his life.

3.) I think that Stefan is being a douchy ass and based on his post-compulsion/post-under-Klaus'-spell behavior (WICKERY BRIDGE!) is the one who should never be with Elena (again), and yet, I'm beginning to be afraid that that is exactly where they are going with them, and that I'm supposed to be feeling for Stefan's "tragedy."

4.) I wonder now if the dysfunctional Stefan/Elena moments in episodes 3 and 6 (and Nina Dobrev's quote about the abusive angle) are being completely ignored because it sure isn't coming up in any way at all on the show from the characters. Elena was back in submissive, teary-eyed mode with Stefan in the last episode, and I think that we were supposed to take Stefan's "I love her" as some romantic declaration. I didn't, but maybe that was the intention.

5.) I am worried that episodes 5-11 (minus episode 7) of this season was basically all that Damon/Elena fans were given as a treat, because according to Kevin Williamson, they knew they were going to make the Stefan/Elena fans angry this season. And the context of that statement was that they were so sorry for that. Where's the apology for the entire season of making Damon/Elena fans angry? Are Stefan/Elena fans really getting two full seasons of the twuest wuv that ever wuved, while Damon/Elena fans only kinda sorta, 'eh, you got one kiss!' get six episodes before they begin to fall right back into Stefan/Elena's twuest wuv that ever wuved? Really? How is that in any way, shape or form fair and shows even remotely an equilateral triangle?

6.) I didn't think they'd really go there with Matt and Elena, but hey, look, Dobrev and Zach Roerig are giving interviews together and talking about how Matt is her only human connection, and they *do* have a romantic history.

If all of the above is how things are going to play out then, yeah, this isn't the amazing, character-driven, smart, layered, awesome show I've believed it to be. For me, going spoiler-free and then jumping back in because every single tidbit of a spoiler that was casually leaked was negative has basically reinforced all of my fears.

I want to be wrong. I want to believe that this is groundwork that they are laying for Damon/Elena for a long-term endgame and that I'm just letting past experiences torture me so. I really want to trust the show, but frankly, they're not giving me anything to hold my hat onto at this point. I've just been burned so many times by other shows and hearing the actors essentially diss the relationship (which is what both Somerhalder and Dobrev have been doing -- although Dobrev included Stefan in her 'Elena should step back from the Salvatore brothers') and no positive commentary from anyone involved in the show is very frustrating.

Especially when Somerhalder, Dobrev, et al. talk about Elena stepping away, etc. from both brothers, putting Stefan and Damon on an equal playing field. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. Elena has NOTHING to step back from when it comes to Damon because aside from a few kisses (one when he was dying), and some heated moments that led to exactly NOWHERE, there is NO Damon/Elena.

So, yeah, I'm frustrated. Anyone feel free to talk me down? Somehow, I don't really think anyone who's reading the spoilers can at this point. Because it doesn't look like there is any good on the horizon.

ETA: I wanted to say that sumeria did a great job in cheering me up by reminding me of things I've said myself in the past. See? This is why going spoiler-free doesn't work for me. I just get so darn negative!
 
 
 
gidget_84gidget_84 on February 6th, 2012 06:24 am (UTC)
I'm very sorry you feel this way about the show, but I can relate. There are many different shows that have done this with characters and triangles with the whole good vs bad boyfriend types and almost always the "good" boyfriend is never knocked from that pedestal no matter what awful, horrible, shitty things they do. They always get the free pass. I don't and have not ever got it. I don't understand why, if there is a canon triangle in a show, something that is obvious and has been the center of the story for the main characters, why there is no equality between those in the triangle...geez I am not getting this right, I'm trying to write down what I'm thinking and it feels like I just can't get the right words out.

Let me start again. I understand and completely sympathize with you as a fellow Damon/Elena shipper and general fan of the show. And I don't want to hate Stefan, I don't, but because of the way he is being written as the hero and champion forever and ever amen, I can say that I do hate him. And will probably continue to do so, until Damon gets his just due. Until he gets the respect and credit he deserves for EVERYTHING that he has done for these people. Seriously, how many times has he saved just about everyone? Oh geez, and don't get me started on the interviews with the actors, those annoy the crap out of me.

I don't really know what else to say, except that I understand your frustration and know that there's a whole lot of us out there that will keep rooting for this ship till the end. All we can do is hope that the writers have a better plan and are actually going to take Damon/Elena to where they deserve to be, with each other :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on February 6th, 2012 06:50 am (UTC)
I've just always believed that TVD was better than going that cliched route. And I have to say that sumeria below actually really cheered me up by reminding me of things I've told myself in the past. I'm actually already feeling more optimistic. Not to say that my fears don't have some basis, but I definitely feel better about it. :)
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sumeriasumeria on February 6th, 2012 06:41 am (UTC)
So, I've been gone from the interwebs for a while, and haven't been commenting/talking about TVD because I hadn't been able to catch any of S3. However, I have just mainlined the entire season to date, and am thus full of opinions.

I don't think the situation is as dire as you fear. ^_^

Part of that, admittedly, is because I choose to be optimistic as long as possible, because otherwise, why even watch, if I don't believe in the writing?

Ian's comments in interview, as well as Nina's and Zach's, I find easy to dismiss. All actors are basically enormous trolls when asked interview questions about ships in a show with fluid pairings. And Ian, at least, sounded to me like he was speaking in a non-fantasy world setting.

Interestingly, in re: Ric's douchey attitude towards the D/E, I actually think that is almost entirely about Damon's (perceived) age. That is to say, Ric has always classed Stefan in with "the kids" and Damon with "the adults". His reactions struck me entirely as the skeeved-out-ness of a dude finding out that his friend who he thinks of as being in his age group is romancing his *daughter*. Obviously, I regard all of that as meaningless given that Stefan's not seventeen, but it really struck me as an emotional, rather than rational reaction on Ric's part. I mean, he clearly *trusts* Damon with her; he just thinks it's creepy for them to date. (Though to be fair, I have always had an opinion that vampires don't really age past the age they were when they died; that is to say, "Wow is Stefan really incredibly a teenager." Damon has always, even in early S1, seemed more like an adult.)

In re: everyone acting like Damon's a jerk... yeah, that bothers me too. I console myself with the rememberance that he's so gosh darned likeable, that people apparently can't actually react to him as though he were the jerk they claim to think he is.

In re: the plotty concerns you raise re: Stefan's redemption, and possible Matt/Elena nonsense... I can't say I have *no* concerns, but...

For D/E to be meaningful and real, it has to be something *she* chooses, and it has to be done when Stefan is a real option. Otherwise, we never avoid the feeling that Damon got the girl by default, because Stefan took himself off the table. I've always felt that Stefan had to get redeemed before D/E could get together, and I have, since the beginning, really strongly wanted her to explicitly choose Damon *over* Stefan. I think Damon needs that, or he'll spend the rest of his life feeling he was her second choice, because boy has self-esteem issues. (Also, in my perfect fantasy 'verse, I *also* want to see Stefan give D/E his blessing [not that I feel they need/require it] because I really want to see him tell Elena to be good to his brother. [I have feelings about the brotherly love.]) So, though I want D/E to get together nownownow, I also want Damon to take a step back and Stefan to be a viable option, so that she can make a clear choice that is clearly sourced in her own preferences, and not in circumstantials.

Likewise, I want Elena to choose vampirism, and I think for *that* to work, given her stance at the end of S2, a (brief!) turn with Matt may be naratively helpful, to demonstrate to her and to the audience that "normal" is not just unfeasible for her, but it's also not what she wants anymore. But I kind of think Matt is an emotionally abusive dick to Caroline, so I also want him to go away.

So yeah, my two cents.
Arabian: Katherine02arabian on February 6th, 2012 07:05 am (UTC)
Part 1 of 2 --

I lied; I wanted to respond tonight. :)

I don't think the situation is as dire as you fear. ^_^

You're right; it's not. Thank you for reminding me of dang things I've told myself (and others) in the past.

Ian's comments in interview, as well as Nina's and Zach's, I find easy to dismiss. All actors are basically enormous trolls when asked interview questions about ships in a show with fluid pairings. And Ian, at least, sounded to me like he was speaking in a non-fantasy world setting.

Thank you. You're totally right. I never thought of it that way before but that is EXACTLY what they are doing. Grumble, grumble. And Ian just needs to give up the fantasy that Damon remains this evil-doer with no redeeming qualities. Pfft!

Interestingly, in re: Ric's douchey attitude towards the D/E, I actually think that is almost entirely about Damon's (perceived) age. That is to say, Ric has always classed Stefan in with "the kids" and Damon with "the adults". His reactions struck me entirely as the skeeved-out-ness of a dude finding out that his friend who he thinks of as being in his age group is romancing his *daughter*. Obviously, I regard all of that as meaningless given that Stefan's not seventeen, but it really struck me as an emotional, rather than rational reaction on Ric's part. I mean, he clearly *trusts* Damon with her; he just thinks it's creepy for them to date.

That's a very good point. I just wish -- and really, really hope -- that it will be addressed, especially with regards to how he's been treating Damon. I'll say it right now, if there isn't some discussion at some point, acknowledgment from Ric that he's been a dick to Damon, the bromance is officialy done for me. And I never thought I'd say that, but with the exception of "Ghost World" (3.07), since "Disturbing Behavior" (3.04), the bromance that I love has systematically been ruined for me. I don't even enjoy their scenes anymore. I just walk away pissed at Ric.

(Though to be fair, I have always had an opinion that vampires don't really age past the age they were when they died; that is to say, "Wow is Stefan really incredibly a teenager." Damon has always, even in early S1, seemed more like an adult.)

Hah! I thought I was the only one who saw it that way. But, yes, me too!

In re: everyone acting like Damon's a jerk... yeah, that bothers me too. I console myself with the rememberance that he's so gosh darned likeable, that people apparently can't actually react to him as though he were the jerk they claim to think he is.

Now, this didn't cheer me up because that consolation doesn't work for me because they still treat him like a jerk. And until we get some confirmation that we're NOT supposed to see him as a jerk, hopefully in the form of the CHARACTERS addressing this, I'll be peeved about it.

In re: the plotty concerns you raise re: Stefan's redemption, and possible Matt/Elena nonsense... I can't say I have *no* concerns, but...

*Sigh*

For D/E to be meaningful and real, it has to be something *she* chooses, and it has to be done when Stefan is a real option.

Oh, I do agree with this completely. And obviously Elena still has unresolved issues with Stefan and about the whole situation. I mean, I even made a handy-dandy little checklist in another post the other day!

) I can't love two brothers, it's wrong.
2) I can't love Damon, what does that say about me?
3) I said it was Stefan, always, only Stefan! Oops!
4) I said I'd never fall for his brother

While Damon is still hung up on:

1) She's Stefan's girl.
2) I really don't deserve her.
3) She's better off without me.
4) She sorta has the hots for me, but she's not really *really* into me.
5) I am getting my brother back, do I really want to risk that for a girl who doesn't love me even if I love her?
6) Since I love her, I should step back and let her be with who she loves.

Stefan is too hung up on being a selfish jerky-boy! :)


So, yes, there has to be A LOT that has to happen before we get to Damon/Elena for it to be "right."

TBC
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Sarpaceisthetrick on February 6th, 2012 06:47 am (UTC)
"I'm legitimately getting worried that what I love about this show is going to start to fall apart. " SAME. FLAWLESS POST. I can't really say anything else, other than I'm glad you're no longer spoiler-free and I agree with everything you're saying.
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on February 6th, 2012 06:49 am (UTC)
Read sumeria's post above. She actually really cheered me up, by reminding me of things that I've said myself in the past. :)

Edited at 2012-02-06 07:06 am (UTC)
x5valex5vale on February 6th, 2012 10:13 am (UTC)
Can I ask in all honesty ... why? He is not Elena's boyfriend. They kissed without extenuating circumstances exactly once and she made it perfectly clear to him (and others) after the fact that it wouldn't happen again. He doesn't owe her fidelity in way, shape or form so why should there be any "consequences" for sleeping with someone? He's single and the girl he does love has made it clear it's not happening, so why shouldn't he form other romantic/sexual attachments? What? He's supposed to just chastely pine for her while *she* pines over her abusive boyfriend? That is what would make him a "good guy?" I don't think so.
I will love you forever for this.
Damon is a single man who doesn't owe anything to anyone. He has changed so much thanks to his love for Elena and he has accepted to be the good no sexual boyfriend for so long that now he deserves a break.

My concern is that, well, really, he's not. Not anymore. Sure, he's snarky, and sarcastic, but so is Ric, Jeremy and Tyler. All of the characters have such moments, in fact. Damon helps EVERYBODY. Damon protects EVERYBODY. Damon is a shoulder to lean on for Elena and for Ric. Damon goes out of his way to help, protect, keep safe, etc. these people. How is he still considered the bad guy ... and treated as such while everyone is acting like no big with Stefan?
Amen. I just hope Ian, being the fan boy he is, was trying not to sell any spoiler...otherwise I would be highly disappointed. Right now Damon seems to be the only one who doesn't have a hidden agenda and just want to keep everyone safe. Sometimes I think he should just leave and have a fresh start somewhere else...

I don't like it, and I don't get it. And, on the other side of the coin, is Stefan to suffer no consequences -- other than of his own making, screwing things up with Elena and Damon -- for all of his horrible, negative choices? Or does he just continue to get the free pass from EVERYONE with a submissive, accepting Elena waiting at the end of the season to take him back into her arms?
SO MUCH THIS!
I had such a bad feeling from the next episode promo...I just want to see it to be able to say that I was wrong, that what I am thinking it's just a fear and not the truth...


I think that Ric is being an asshole to him, but I guess I'm supposed to see him as being awesome to so tolerantly put up with having to deal with Damon in his life.
You know I am not liking Ric this season.

I think that Stefan is being a douchy ass and based on his post-compulsion/post-under-Klaus'-spell behavior (WICKERY BRIDGE!) is the one who should never be with Elena (again), and yet, I'm beginning to be afraid that that is exactly where they are going with them, and that I'm supposed to be feeling for Stefan's "tragedy."
My fear too.

I didn't think they'd really go there with Matt and Elena, but hey, look, Dobrev and Zach Roerig are giving interviews together and talking about how Matt is her only human connection, and they *do* have a romantic history.
Man this would be so totally disconnected...

and no positive commentary from anyone involved in the show is very frustrating.
Let's hope it's just a moment, to make us believe that nothing good is going to happen...after all we don't have many spoilers about Damon for the future and this makes me think he will be up to something important.


Arabian: Damon07arabian on February 7th, 2012 02:20 am (UTC)
Amen. I just hope Ian, being the fan boy he is, was trying not to sell any spoiler...otherwise I would be highly disappointed. Right now Damon seems to be the only one who doesn't have a hidden agenda and just want to keep everyone safe. Sometimes I think he should just leave and have a fresh start somewhere else...

Ah, Ian's just trolling and stupidly holding onto the idea of the bad-ass season01 Damon, and I'm like, dude, do you not realize that had Damon stayed that way, you would have been fired from TWO successful television shows? No way Damon would have lasted as a character like that. Geez.

I had such a bad feeling from the next episode promo...I just want to see it to be able to say that I was wrong, that what I am thinking it's just a fear and not the truth...

I'm just going to breathe and remember that this is a long arc and that they've spent a lot of time and care building up Damon and Elena's relationship and working on Damon and Stefan's than they ever have with Stefan and Elena. It may continue to hurt a bit in the short-run, but the endgame will be worth it.

You know I am not liking Ric this season.

Me either. And I realized that unless there is some major apology and better treatment from Ric to Damon, I think they've ruined the bromance for me. I don't look forward to their scenes anymore; Ric just pisses me off in them.

Let's hope it's just a moment, to make us believe that nothing good is going to happen...after all we don't have many spoilers about Damon for the future and this makes me think he will be up to something important.

sumeria's point about this is so true, these actors just troll to rile fans up. Pfft! We'll be okay. We will. :)
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Azmiri Sultana Mridul: pic#114311911mridul777 on February 6th, 2012 10:25 am (UTC)
I love Ian Somerhalder... but I think he has a penchant for being a complete pessimist when talking about Damon and Elena. THe only thing he keeps on repeating like a broken record for which Damon SHOULD not end up or BE with Elena is that he "killed" his brother....

So why doesn't anyone consider the bad stuffs that Stefan did? WHy should he be allowed to roam kinda scot-free and Damon is still punished and/ore reprimanded for his past mistakes.

About Damon sleeping with someone, I think it's absolutely normal. I mean that's how the guy copes with pain and heartbreak... Exhibit A: Rose, Exhibit B: Andie, etc. I actually think it's great that he gets to sleep with an awesome and sexy Original.
Arabian: Damon13arabian on February 7th, 2012 02:22 am (UTC)
I think he has a penchant for being a complete pessimist when talking about Damon and Elena.

I've decided that sumeria is right, and Ian, like the other actors, are just trolling us. Pfft!

So why doesn't anyone consider the bad stuffs that Stefan did? WHy should he be allowed to roam kinda scot-free and Damon is still punished and/ore reprimanded for his past mistakes.

rose_marie_rose had a GREAT point about this: I think people get into patterns about how they treat people, and it's hard to break out of them, even when things have changed.

Works for me!
sun_signsun_sign on February 6th, 2012 10:56 am (UTC)
I can't say I agree about Damon being badly treated. Can you really blame the people around him for being cautious? Most of them have seen him on his worst behaviour. This is a guy who has - to use Elena's quote about Klaus- ''terrorized each and everyone one'' of them. Of course it's gonna take some time for people to realize that Damon has changed, it would be unrealistic if he redeemed himself in everyone's eyes just a few months after terrorizing them.
Arabian: Katherine06arabian on February 7th, 2012 02:29 am (UTC)
Can you really blame the people around him for being cautious?

Yes, because he's spent way longer protecting, helping, saving them all. They should lighten up at this point.

Of course it's gonna take some time for people to realize that Damon has changed, it would be unrealistic if he redeemed himself in everyone's eyes just a few months after terrorizing them.

But there HAS been time. Other than the Jeremy neck-snap (and there were extenuating circumstances) and was not part of the terrorizing, Damon hasn't pulled any of that since episode 15 of season 01 -- which was over a year ago in the show's timeline now! It's been longer than a few months for sure.

Regardless, rose_marie_rose had a GREAT point about this: I think people get into patterns about how they treat people, and it's hard to break out of them, even when things have changed.

Works better for me than anything else I've thought of!

Edited at 2012-02-07 02:59 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) on February 6th, 2012 12:40 pm (UTC)
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU !!! YOU´VE SAID ALL THE THINGS OF MANY PEOPLE REALLY THINK. I GUESS THAT´S WHY THE AUDIENCE IS GOING DOWN. ALSO I DONT LIKE HOW THE SHOW IS TREATING DAMON AND THE KISS OF THE CHAPTER 10 IT WASN´T ENOUGHT FOR ME (COME ON! ONE KISS?!! AND IT WAS DAMON WHO KISSED ELENA!) WHEN WE GONNA SEE ELENA TO KISS DAMON?...
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)03arabian on February 7th, 2012 02:31 am (UTC)
I'm actually feeling better now.

And with the kiss, well, I think the kiss wasn't there to say IT IS HAPPENING!, but to finally open that door to both Elena and Stefan, that SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. It's just a matter of time, but things have to be gotten through first.

Elena is too hung up on:

1) I can't love two brothers, it's wrong.
2) I can't love Damon, what does that say about me?
3) I said it was Stefan, always, only Stefan! Oops!
4) I said I'd never fall for his brother

While Damon is still hung up on:

1) She's Stefan's girl.
2) I really don't deserve her.
3) She's better off without me.
4) She sorta has the hots for me, but she's not really *really* into me.
5) I am getting my brother back, do I really want to risk that for a girl who doesn't love me even if I love her?
6) Since I love her, I should step back and let her be with who she loves (he thinks).

So there's a lot to get through, and the show really has worked to create all of these D/E parallels and working through their issues to bring them where they need to be. It's going to take time, but there is so much care, time and effort being put into the writing of Damon and Elena, and that isn't the case for any other pairing (including Stefan/Elena).
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Arabian: Damon&Stefan04arabian on February 7th, 2012 02:34 am (UTC)
You just pointed out one of my biggest issues with the spoilers about Damon sleeping with another vampire(most probably Rebekah) and that is that he is making some huge slight against Elena(I don't like that him and Stefan are sharing YET ANOTHER girl either, but I'm kinda thinking its just going to be a one off thing).

I'm REALLY hoping that it will play out differently. After all, based on interviews with all of the actors involved (Ian Somerhalder, Nina Dobrev, Dawn Olivieri), pretty much nothing played out onscreen the way we heard it would with Damon and Andie. So, I'm reserving my grrr until we actually watch it play out. I mean, we might get her jealous (which we want!) and have Damon (or Bonnie or Caroline) call her out on it that she really has no right.

Also, on the way people treat Damon - it can get annoying, but I understand it.

Actually rose_marie_rose had a GREAT point about this: I think people get into patterns about how they treat people, and it's hard to break out of them, even when things have changed.

Works better for me than anything else I've thought of!

I know you tried to fight spoilers for a while but I am glad you came back to spoiler land - I missed discussing things with you. (=

It's just not possible if you want to interact in fandom at all. :( But, thank you. We can go back to spoiler-discussions. :D
vanimy: D/E (s3)vanimy on February 6th, 2012 07:55 pm (UTC)
I was afraid I'd be spoiled after clicking on your link but no such thing so thanks. ;)

It's so hard to stay spoiler free so I understand you thinking 'okay, screw it, if I have to be spoiled, let's be spoiled all the way.'

I've heard about the Rebekah rumors too but until I see it with my own eyes I keep hoping it's not really going to happen (I love Rebekah though so better her than someone else).

I've been feeling quite pessimistic too lately and I think my Damon/Elena lenses make me see everything about the show in a dark way.

There are indeed two ways to look at this :

1- either the writers and the actors are screwing with us in their interviews and make us believe there's no hope for Damon/Elena so we'll be pleasantly surprised when it DOES happen.

OR

2- the writers only intended Damon/Elena to be a fun obstacle on the road to Perfect!Stefan/Elena happiness and they're going to make Damon evil again just because it was fun.

I've been burned before too so I think it could be one or the other. I really really want to believe that the true thing is the first one, that our beloved characters will behave in character but... yeah, it's hard to keep the faith.

1- About Matt/Elena. I don't think going that route would be realistic. Does Elena really need a boyfriend to know where she stands on her relationships with vampires and her future? I don't think so, that's not the Elena we know. Besides Matt and her already tried and it didn't end well way before Stefan and supernatural stuff were even in the picture.

2- Damon being a bad guy for sleeping with Rebekah/whomever. Even if I'm not too fond of the idea (though I'm always ready to watch some Naked!Damon sexy times ;)) it does sound extreme to call it cheating when they're not even together. I have a feeling it'll involve something else, not just sleeping with someone else. Maybe it'll be some kind of betrayal, IDK.

I'm ready for angst -I was one of those who actually liked all the angst in season 2- but please, don't destroy my OTP in the process.
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on February 7th, 2012 02:41 am (UTC)
I was afraid I'd be spoiled after clicking on your link but no such thing so thanks. ;)

Okay, good.

It's so hard to stay spoiler free so I understand you thinking 'okay, screw it, if I have to be spoiled, let's be spoiled all the way.'

That's what it comes down to. I was getting teeny bits and pieces that were adding up to horrible things in my mind and I had no one to talk me down about them, to discuss and dissect to get my worry/fears out of the way. I'm just NOT a spoiler-free gal.

I've heard about the Rebekah rumors too but until I see it with my own eyes I keep hoping it's not really going to happen (I love Rebekah though so better her than someone else).

I'm really thinking it's her because I can't see who else and she IS wearing the same dress in 3.15 that she's wearing in 3.14, so .... my big fear is that we're going to see her in Damon's room, on his bed. That will gut me, because I've been telling myself they are saving that bed and sexytiems for Damon and ELENA!

I've been feeling quite pessimistic too lately and I think my Damon/Elena lenses make me see everything about the show in a dark way.

I REALLY am feeling better after reading various posts in this thread. I'd suggest when you have time, go through and read other comments. It might cheer you up, it really worked for me. :)

There are indeed two ways to look at this :

See, I think there's a third way because I don't think either fits. They are just taking the long, carefully-plotted road to telling the Damon/Elena love story and there are a LOT of corners and pathways that have to be driven around and through before they get to where it will be REAL for them.

I've been burned before too so I think it could be one or the other. I really really want to believe that the true thing is the first one, that our beloved characters will behave in character but... yeah, it's hard to keep the faith.

See, the first one isn't really in-character for the show. So I think the third option is what is going to happen. We just have to breathe and remember that this is a long arc and that they've spent a lot of time and care building up Damon and Elena's relationship and working on Damon and Stefan's than they ever have with Stefan and Elena. It may continue to hurt a bit in the short-run, but the endgame will be worth it.

About Matt/Elena

Agreed, and I still wonder if the Matt angle will be related to Matt/Caroline/Klaus too.

it does sound extreme to call it cheating when they're not even together. I have a feeling it'll involve something else, not just sleeping with someone else. Maybe it'll be some kind of betrayal, IDK.

I'm hoping/thinking that it's just the actors trolling again, LOL! After all, based on interviews with all of the actors involved (Ian Somerhalder, Nina Dobrev, Dawn Olivieri), pretty much nothing played out onscreen the way we heard it would with Damon and Andie. So, I'm reserving my grrr until we actually watch it play out. I mean, we might get her jealous (which we want!) and have Damon (or Bonnie or Caroline) call her out on it that she really has no right.

I'm ready for angst -I was one of those who actually liked all the angst in season 2- but please, don't destroy my OTP in the process.

It wasn't the D/E angst I had the problem with, it was the constant blowing sunshine up Stefan/Elena's ass that was driving me insane, although if they go in the direction I *hope* (and mostly think) they're going, then that was as important for their journey as Damon/Elena's angst in season02 was for theirs.
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Florenciaflorencia7 on February 6th, 2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
Welcome back to the tortured land of spoilers ;)

Yeah, well, every time I feel that way about the show I'm telling myself to calm down because, apparently, we have 2-5 more seasons to go & as much as it makes me feel frustrated, if we got full-fledged Delena right now it would lower the probability of them being an endgame. I refuse to believe that this impossibly slow & craftful build-up is for nothing & that it's sole purpose is to create some SE angst :[

As for Matt/Elena, I honestly think they're making the whole thing up. I can't imagine them getting together for real. I think the writers might play with the idea (& our minds lol) for a couple of episodes but that's it.

I agree with you about Damon. For some reason they're making it seem like he was going to cheat on Elena. It's just not the case *sigh*
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on February 7th, 2012 02:44 am (UTC)
Welcome back to the tortured land of spoilers ;)

No, it's MUCH better. You know why? I was getting teeny bits and pieces that were adding up to horrible things in my mind and I had no one to talk me down about them, to discuss and dissect to get my worry/fears out of the way. I'm just NOT a spoiler-free gal.

I feel that way about the show I'm telling myself to calm down because, apparently, we have 2-5 more seasons to go & as much as it makes me feel frustrated, if we got full-fledged Delena right now it would lower the probability of them being an endgame. I refuse to believe that this impossibly slow & craftful build-up is for nothing & that it's sole purpose is to create some SE angst :[

VERY TRUE! I just have to breathe and remember that this is a long arc and that they've spent a lot of time and care building up Damon and Elena's relationship and working on Damon and Stefan's than they ever have with Stefan and Elena. It may continue to hurt a bit in the short-run, but the endgame will be worth it.

As for Matt/Elena, I honestly think they're making the whole thing up. I can't imagine them getting together for real. I think the writers might play with the idea (& our minds lol) for a couple of episodes but that's it.

As I said in the ep-post I wrote, I wonder if the whole point of this with these two was one of two reasons or maybe a mix of both. Firstly, that Damon decides it is what is best for Elena, and decides to push her in that direction. To make things right with Stefan and selflessly walk away from Elena romantically would certainly be in character for him. (Of course, I'd like then for Elena to be all 'uhm, no!') And secondly, Klaus is all pushing Matt romantically at Elena, and then as he starts to develop feelings for Caroline (speculation, but well, we know where the idea comes from), he sees that Matt is a rival for her affections and takes him out of the equation for Caroline, Elena or anyone. I'm kinda leaning towards the second personally. :)

(Although, I don't discount the trolling. After all, it sure seems like that's what they did with teasing Bonnie/Matt for those few episodes early in the season.)

I agree with you about Damon. For some reason they're making it seem like he was going to cheat on Elena. It's just not the case *sigh*

I'm hoping/thinking that it's just the actors trolling again, LOL! After all, based on interviews with all of the actors involved (Ian Somerhalder, Nina Dobrev, Dawn Olivieri), pretty much nothing played out onscreen the way we heard it would with Damon and Andie. So, I'm reserving my grrr until we actually watch it play out. I mean, we might get her jealous (which we want!) and have Damon (or Bonnie or Caroline) call her out on it that she really has no right.
rose_marie_rose: damonrose_marie_rose on February 6th, 2012 10:14 pm (UTC)
Part 1 of 2

I firmly believe that the show is going in the D/E direction, and that they will explore it fully, it's just the writers are gonna take their sweet ass time doing it. There has just been too much build-up, too many lines that foreshadow it, and too much investment in their relationship since the beginning of the show for it not to happen.

Admittedly, I come at this issue from a different angle than you, because I OT3, and I love all sides of the triangle; D/E, S/E, and Damon and Stefan's relationship as brothers are all equally fascinating to me. So I hope it's ok that I comment, I promise I'm extremely invested in D/E, even as a multi-shipper!

I really see the show as a love story between all three of them (no matter who Elena actually ends up with), and as such, D/E HAS to be given the same focus and screen time as S/E has gotten.

I'm speculating that the show is going to give Elena a slight break from the Salvatores, and I think (in the narrative sense) it's to give her character some growth away from being part of their tug-of-war, and to give Stefan and Damon some time to bond as brothers, or at least work some of their issues out. Also, Stefan needs some time to stop being such a douche, figure himself out, and start making up for all the awful things he's been doing this season (to everyone, not just to Elena). Then the writers can go full throttle into D/E, without it being a default relationship due to Stefan's absence/murderousness.

Basically, I totally agree with what you said in your breakdown list of what Elena, Stefan, and Damon each have to work through to get to D/E, it's brilliant.

I also firmly believe that Elena is not going to want to get back together with Stefan for a long, long time. She may be softening towards him, but I think that's only because she is an endlessly empathetic and forgiving person who once she loves somebody, always loves them. But loving someone and getting closer to someday forgiving them, is not the same thing as wanting to BE with them. Stefan has broken their relationship completely, and IF they ever try again, it will be very different than the first go round.

To sum up, in my opinion, Damon and Elena are for sure happening, and I think eventually they're going to be a couple in a MAJOR way.
Arabian: Damon06arabian on February 7th, 2012 03:04 am (UTC)
Just so you know, I've been quoting a line of yours from your 2nd posts all over this thread. :D

I firmly believe that the show is going in the D/E direction, and that they will explore it fully, it's just the writers are gonna take their sweet ass time doing it. There has just been too much build-up, too many lines that foreshadow it, and too much investment in their relationship since the beginning of the show for it not to happen.

Yeah, I'm back there. I just needed to be talked down. This is why I don't work with no spoilers. I get teeny bits and pieces that add up to horrible things in my mind and I have no one to talk me down about them, to discuss and dissect to get my worry/fears out of the way. I'm just NOT a spoiler-free gal.

I really see the show as a love story between all three of them (no matter who Elena actually ends up with), and as such, D/E HAS to be given the same focus and screen time as S/E has gotten.

I agree, and I tend to think that the triangle is moving towards being more about Stefan and Elena "fighting" over Damon. Hopefully, in the end all three will win (and not in a menage a tois way, LOL!).

I'm speculating that the show is going to give Elena a slight break from the Salvatores, and I think (in the narrative sense) it's to give her character some growth away from being part of their tug-of-war, and to give Stefan and Damon some time to bond as brothers, or at least work some of their issues out.

True. It's just, ugh, frustrating because I said above she hasn't actually BEEN with Damon to break from, but yeah, if she were, then ... yeah. It does make sense and is best in the long run.

Basically, I totally agree with what you said in your breakdown list of what Elena, Stefan, and Damon each have to work through to get to D/E, it's brilliant.

I just have to keep reminding myself of that list (and don't go spoiler-free again) and I'll mostly be okay. Mostly.

I also firmly believe that Elena is not going to want to get back together with Stefan for a long, long time. She may be softening towards him, but I think that's only because she is an endlessly empathetic and forgiving person who once she loves somebody, always loves them. But loving someone and getting closer to someday forgiving them, is not the same thing as wanting to BE with them. Stefan has broken their relationship completely

True.

and IF they ever try again

Please, no. Not after Wickery Bridge, please, please no.

To sum up, in my opinion, Damon and Elena are for sure happening, and I think eventually they're going to be a couple in a MAJOR way.

ENDGAME, baby! I really do believe it so. I do. Taking aside PR perceptions, YA perceptions, etc., just looking at the story, the characters, the threads, the logic, it ALL points to Stefan and Damon finding that middle ground and loving each other as brothers again, Stefan at peace with himself, and Damon finally having the girl choose him, want to be with him and getting his true love forever and ever.
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rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on February 6th, 2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
Part 2 of 2

As far as how Damon is treated by the other characters (vs. how they treat Stefan), I think I see it more as a natural attitude towards a brutally honest, snarky person who has fun being a dick to people as he simultaneously saves them/does nice things for them.

Meanwhile Stefan (until this season), has always been the make-nice, people-pleaser type, and I think the characters are almost still in shock at his new persona because it's been such a 180 (at least from their perspective). So they don't give him as much shit because they just don't know how to act around him, and are maybe too scared of him and his unpredictability.

In a way, people treating Damon like an asshole is almost showing how comfortable they are around him now. I'm not saying it's necessarily right, just understandable from a character perspective. Also, I think people get into patterns about how they treat people, and it's hard to break out of them, even when things have changed.

And when I really think about it, I can only come up with three characters who regularly treat Damon with disdain: Bonnie, Caroline, and recently, Alaric. To break it down:

Bonnie: I think she will always treat Damon like this, she's just judgy like that. And, to be fair, she's not exactly holding hands with this new Stefan. Plus, she had a surprisingly mellow reaction to the D/E kiss, which shows that despite her attitude towards Damon, things have changed dramatically since early Season 2.

Caroline: No matter how many times Damon saves her life and does nice things for her, she gets a lifelong pass from me to be shitty to Damon because of how he treated her. If she started singing his praises and telling Elena that he'd be an amazing boyfriend, it would not be believable to me. And she's had almost no interaction with Stefan this season (to my eternal sadness, I love the two of them together), so I have no idea how her attitude would be towards him at this point, but I'm guessing it wouldn't be very welcoming.

Alaric: I'm not really sure what's going on with him and his opinion of Damon. I feel like it might be leading somewhere, maybe? Otherwise I'm not sure why the writers are drawing out his annoyance with Damon this season. Maybe his protectiveness of Elena is driving it, or he's having guilt for getting so submerged in the supernatural world? Either way, I definitely wish for the bromance to get back to its former glory. And Alaric has for sure been treating Stefan like a villain this season, he in no way has been more understanding of him than he has of Damon.

I just try to understand where the characters are coming from, even if I personally don't agree with them. Sorry for the crazy long post! I just have lots of thoughts :)
Arabian: Katherine06arabian on February 7th, 2012 03:15 am (UTC)
As far as how Damon is treated by the other characters (vs. how they treat Stefan)

Every word you wrote about Stefan and Damon that I did not quote is so much truth, I want to bow down and kiss you!

And then there is this (my repeated quoting of throughout the thread) --

I think people get into patterns about how they treat people, and it's hard to break out of them, even when things have changed.

My goodness, this makes PERFECT sense!! And when I love something, I am ALWAYS happy to have a logical reason to accept something that bugs me. THIS PERFECTLY ACCOMPLISHES THAT. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU, YOU WONDERFUL PERSON YOU! WHEE!

Bonnie: I think she will always treat Damon like this [... but] things have changed dramatically since early Season 2.

She actually has softened a lot. After 2.18. Which makes sense, what bothered me about her wasn't so much how she treated Damon, but how she wasn't treating Stefan, but your comments above have helped with that. :)

Caroline: No matter how many times Damon saves her life and does nice things for her, she gets a lifelong pass from me to be shitty to Damon because of how he treated her.

This one I do kinda disagree with because, yes, he was awful when he first came -- when he had his humanity switch off and that is something she is now intimately acquainted with -- but in the last six months to a year, he's saved her life multiple times, been there emotionally for her mother and even tried to help her with her mother. So her continued HORRIBLE treatment of him drives me crazy. He's done WAY, WAY too much to make up for his treatment when she came to town, again, especially because switch off, she's a vampire now and understands that change it can create. If she weren't a vampire and aware of the effect/changes that has on a person, I'd agree with you. But, for me, that does change things.

she's had almost no interaction with Stefan this season (to my eternal sadness, I love the two of them together)

WAH! I'm still mourning no scenes. I just keep telling myself it's because they have a plan to eventually get there with them (my idea is through Klaus with either Tyler or Matt as part of the triangle before bridging over to the more "worthy" foe of Stefan before finally ending up with Stefan/Caroline), but because Paul and Candice have such amazing chemistry, every time they feature them together, people jump on the S/C bandwagon and press starts bugging about them. So ... they're trying to keep that from swelling up ... yet.

Alaric: I'm not really sure what's going on with him and his opinion of Damon. I feel like it might be leading somewhere, maybe? [...]Either way, I definitely wish for the bromance to get back to its former glory.

I just wish -- and really, really hope -- that it will be addressed (Ric acknowledging that he's been a jerk to Damon for whatever reason -- like in reverse of their conversation in "Ghost World"). I'll say it right now, if there isn't some discussion at some point, acknowledgment from Ric that he's been a dick to Damon, the bromance is officialy done for me. And I never thought I'd say that, but with the exception of "Ghost World" (3.07), since "Disturbing Behavior" (3.04), the bromance that I love has systematically been ruined for me. I don't even enjoy their scenes anymore. I just walk away pissed at Ric.

I just try to understand where the characters are coming from, even if I personally don't agree with them. Sorry for the crazy long post! I just have lots of thoughts :)

I do too, and this is why I'm frustrated with Caroline and Alaric (as I stated in my reasons above). And with Caroline, I could fly with it if we'd get some acknowledgement (like, I know he's better, I know I should understand re: the switch, but he was mean to me, and I don't, and I can't and I won't, so there! -- that would work for me and I'd be on her side), but without it, I'm just frustrated. Don't apologize for the post, you really helped me a lot with my Damon-treatment issues. LIKE HUGE!
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Frust-sheep: misc: Fandom-We know dramafrust_sheep on February 6th, 2012 10:44 pm (UTC)
Oh so well spoken and I so agree about what you and sumeria said. So I just say: Yes, FANDOM, we know DRAMA. Hm...
Arabian: Peace_LEarabian on February 7th, 2012 03:15 am (UTC)
Ah, fandom drama, how you so suck!
La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on February 7th, 2012 05:09 am (UTC)
Watch me ruin my point...

What has been so awful that Damon has done to Elena? He killed her brother, and immediately regretted it. Why? Because he was blindsided at the fact that she would never love him.

Stefan tried to kill her. And it was for his own personal gain, to get back at Klaus.

I know they are both horrible acts, but I feel like the things they get all angry with Damon about are incomparable to the acts Stefan made.
gidget_84gidget_84 on February 7th, 2012 07:16 am (UTC)
I know they are both horrible acts, but I feel like the things they get all angry with Damon about are incomparable to acts Stefan made.

Agree, soo much!



Edited at 2012-02-07 07:46 am (UTC)
flyingfish: don't panicflyingfish1 on February 7th, 2012 08:36 pm (UTC)
I saw this yesterday but didn't have the time to properly organize my thoughts about D/E, and now I see that everyone else has talked about them already, and much more articulately than I could have! And I see you're feeling better about their prospects now. So that's all good!

I did want to add a couple of things. The first thing is that if S/E were to be the endgame couple and D/E only a digression, then TVD would be mimicking the "first love=true love and nothing else counts!!" structure of the Twilight books and the Bella/Edward/Jacob triangle. They've taken so many subtle little digs at Twilight over the course of the show that I just can't see them going there. It might explain why so many people in the media seem to expect S/E to be the endgame couple, though--they're expecting Twilight 2.0 and they haven't realized yet that TVD is doing something quite different.
Oh, and did you see that Q&A session Julie Plec did on twitter a week or so ago? Someone asked her how she'd describe D/E and she answered "epic." So they're not being completely negative about them!

As for Matt/Elena--obviously I don't know if they'll go there or not but I wouldn't be surprised if we see her at least considering it. We know she wants to have the option of growing up and deciding if she wants to have a "normal" life, maybe have kids, etc, and unless the writers are planning on covering the next ten years of her life (and how many seasons will that take, at the rate they're going? Twenty? *g*) , we'll have to see her making those decisions fairly soon. Right now Matt represents the "normal life" she could still have if she wants. We've never actually seen Elena choosing to date a vampire, as Stefan was pretending to be human when they started going out, so choosing to date Damon would be a big step for her. If she got a little freaked out by her feelings for him and reacted by grabbing onto someone more normal and human, well, I think that would make sense for her. Just pure speculation, of course!
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on February 7th, 2012 11:04 pm (UTC)
I saw this yesterday but didn't have the time to properly organize my thoughts about D/E, and now I see that everyone else has talked about them already, and much more articulately than I could have! And I see you're feeling better about their prospects now. So that's all good!

Thanks for popping in anyway. I love my flist! :D

The first thing is that if S/E were to be the endgame couple and D/E only a digression, then TVD would be mimicking the "first love=true love and nothing else counts!!" structure of the Twilight books and the Bella/Edward/Jacob triangle. They've taken so many subtle little digs at Twilight over the course of the show that I just can't see them going there.

Very, very good point. They really have made a point of making it clear that they are NOT telling that story.

It might explain why so many people in the media seem to expect S/E to be the endgame couple, though--they're expecting Twilight 2.0 and they haven't realized yet that TVD is doing something quite different.

Because their brains do not work! No, really, I think that way too many people -- including critics -- have it in their head that TVD is a glossy, turn your brain off show and THAT'S why they make so many stupid assumptions and miss so much (and then bitch at the show for doing or not doing something -- even though they did or did not, but they just missed it).

Oh, and did you see that Q&A session Julie Plec did on twitter a week or so ago? Someone asked her how she'd describe D/E and she answered "epic." So they're not being completely negative about them!

Oh, I didn't! Interesting word choice considering the whole Stefan/Elena "epic" conversation (that we never saw, heh) from episode 1/2 of season 01.

As for Matt/Elena--obviously I don't know if they'll go there or not but I wouldn't be surprised if we see her at least considering it.

And, see if that doesn't work for me. I don't get it. She broke up with Matt because the feelings were not there. I dunno, I'm still more thinking this is a stepping-stone in some direction having to do with Klaus/Caroline, after all, they spent more/did more with Bonnie/Matt at the start of the season and we all thought something would happen there.

We've never actually seen Elena choosing to date a vampire, as Stefan was pretending to be human when they started going out, so choosing to date Damon would be a big step for her.

Hmm, very good point. I like.

If she got a little freaked out by her feelings for him and reacted by grabbing onto someone more normal and human, well, I think that would make sense for her. Just pure speculation, of course!

Okay, yeah, I guess I could see it that way. After all, the explosion of passion (not only sexual, but also anger/jealousy, etc.) could make her re-evaluate the lack of passion with Matt as being a bad thing, especially considering the overall crazy of her life.
logicisfailinglogicisfailing on February 10th, 2012 12:50 am (UTC)
- From what I've heard I do think Damon's going to sleep with Rebekah. I know I'm in the minority here, but I really don't like Rebekah. She just irritates me (idk if it's the actress or what...). I would so much rather have Damon sleep with someone (anyone) else. That said, if it is Rebekah, that definitely makes me think quick one-night stand and not some new girlfriend. I actually think it'd be pretty interesting if Damon slept with Katherine now purely as an inferior!Elena replacement...lol there's fanfic I guess. When I heard it was a murmurings that it was a vampire he slept with, my mind actually went to Caroline - though I don't think that would happen with the new Klaus/Caroline thing, I like that Caroline's his equal now and wouldn't put up with any of this crap.

- Regarding a possible S/E reunion: I think it's likely they'll head in that direction, but even so, it would be completely unrealistic to me for them to hop right back to where they started. I feel like I see such extremes from both sides of the fandom. I don't think Stefan is an unredeemable abuser, and I don't think Damon is a 100% changed never-going-to-screw-up-again vampire. I do however, think Stefan is an ass who doesn't deserve Elena, while Damon has stood by her and done everything to help her. Yes, Stefan did save his life, but Damon wasn't like trying to get in Elena's pants the second Stefan left town...besides that, since Stefan's been back he's still acting like an ass and Klaus has absolutely nothing to do with it. With whatever endgame or bumps along the way we have, I am disappointed that Stefan (and us the viewers!) didn't get to see more of what an awesome team Damon/Elena made. The trust each other, depend on each other, and I don't think Stefan got any of that - he just focused on and overreacted to the kiss.

- I think you mentioned this in your other spec post (or maybe it was this one...I read it a few days ago but didn't have time to respond) about the human!Damon thing. I think in the books Damon was turned into a human - it'd be interesting to see how that played out on the show. I feel like TPTB wouldn't want to have their beloved vampire bad boy turned "good." Also, regarding Elena's turning: I really want Damon to be the one. I think he turned her in the books (I think...I've never actually read them) and not that I want the show to follow the books (actually, for the most part I really don't), but I really want him to be the one. No matter what happens with Elena/Stefan in the future, she'd always have that connection with Damon. I'm sure there'd be some angst & tension over it, but if she chose to drink his blood this time, I think it'd be really interesting. It would be incredibly ironic if Damon was turned into a human at the same time Elena was turned into a vampire. Role reversal! It'd be about Elena having to control herself around him for a change...intriguing.

6) I've noticed the Matt/Elena vibe too. Especially after Klaus' dinner discussion about what's best for Elena. I can definitely see Damon pulling away because of that (like with ignoring her phone call..).

Ok, sorry I've talked your ear (eyes?) off. No one in my life actually watches the show so I don't have anyone to speculate with, haha. I'm so glad you're reading spoilers again!
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)04arabian on February 10th, 2012 02:24 am (UTC)
Aww, I love Rebekah. :) But, yeah, whomever Damon sleeps with is NOT a love interest, Julie made that clear on Twitter apparently.

I actually think it'd be pretty interesting if Damon slept with Katherine now purely as an inferior!Elena replacement.

So do I.

Yeah, I thought of Caroline and then immediately discounted it if for no other reason than I don't think Damon would cause problems with the ONLY person who genuinely appears to like him and doesn't give him a hard time for, you know, existing. (Liz)

RE: S/E reunion -- I know they'll go down that road, I just feel that they have to be very careful.

I don't think that Stefan is an unredeemable abuser, I do think that he has abusive-like qualities, and that he and Elena SHOULDN'T be together after Wickery Bridge. That was my line; it was such a deeply emotional betrayal, in my opinion. As for Damon, he has a loooooooooooong road still to walk, I agree.

I do however, think Stefan is an ass who doesn't deserve Elena, while Damon has stood by her and done everything to help her.

This. :)

I think in the books Damon was turned into a human - it'd be interesting to see how that played out on the show.

He was, and I think it would be interesting too, but I really can't see Damon not thinking that he wants to go back to being a vampire, LOL!

Also, regarding Elena's turning: I really want Damon to be the one.

Me too. I still think (hope) that Elena telling Stefan she didn't want to turn for him was partly to show the contrast when she DOES want to turn for Damon.

Ok, sorry I've talked your ear (eyes?) off. No one in my life actually watches the show so I don't have anyone to speculate with, haha. I'm so glad you're reading spoilers again!

Don't apologize! I like hearing the thoughts of others on my flist. :)

Edited at 2012-02-10 02:25 am (UTC)