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03 February 2012 @ 03:16 am
3.13 - 'Bringing Out the Dead' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So this was the first episode I've watched since the first 18 when I did a marathon viewing in four days where I knew absolutely nothing about the episodes except the title. I don't know if it added to or took away from the enjoyment of the episode. Hmm. I'm going to stick to my plan and avoid spoilers like mad for the rest of February sweeps, and then come the next batch of episodes (I'm assuming that we'll have off of March like the last two years), I'll go back to spoilers for a bit and see if there's a change-up in how I view it. (I honestly hope there isn't, because DAMN! it's hard keeping spoilers from my unsuspecting eyes.)

With that in mind, I'm asking please, please, please do NOT spill anything AT ALL about any upcoming episodes in comments. Thank you. :)

I dunno, I feel like I actually wanna watch this one before putting down substantial thoughts, but eh, why break a pattern, right? LOL! I didn't love it, but I kinda think that I might feel a lot more AAAAAHHH! about it upon rewatch. Without the Damon/Elena aspect, it does go down a notch in my book simply because they are my favorite thing about a show and it was rough not getting them at all when we got practically nothing in the previous episode, and only one scene (if fantastic) the episode before that. That's always painful to take as a Damon/Elena fan, but Damon/Elena do not make or break an episode for me (see my love of "Masquerade" and Ghost World" for example). Still, there was something ... slightly off in this episode. I kept thinking that it was too plot-driven without enough character-stuff, but that's ridiculous because we got fantastic character stuff with Bonnie, Elena, Caroline, and the Originals to a degree with a small dose on the Salvatore Brothers too. Perhaps it was how short so many of the scenes were; it didn't feel like things were allowed to build. And the time jumps with no scene in between. For instance, Elena is talking to Stefan in the Lockwood caves, next scene (no commercial break), she's walking into her house. There was another jump like that with Elena later in the episode too and it was just ... odd.

Then you did have some eye-raising character moments pretty much all courtesy of the lovely hypocrite that is Stefan Salvatore. I mean, really, Stefan? I can't believe the way he acted with Elena in the caves, judging her for thinking he'd murder someone after EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS DONE! And then he had the audacity to throw it back about her not accusing Damon -- who has been there for her, her friends, STEFAN! himself and the town in general awesomely in like forever. So, not cool, Stefan. Then there was the whole ridiculous notion from Klaus that Stefan and Damon both think they can protect Elena best. Okay, yeah, totally for Damon. But Stefan? On what planet has Stefan EVER protected her successfully? Like EVER!? When he was good, his way of protecting her was generally: Call Damon. When in "bad" mode, his way was ... uhm, being a total ass and, oh yeah, catching her when she deliberately fell off of some bleachers. And that's it.

I've digressed. My point is that while there was a LOT of awesome in this episode (courtesy mostly of the Originals and Damon's one-liners), there was a disconnect, a disjointedness that just felt a tad off. I just know that at the end of the episode, and at no time during the episode -- other than the Original Siblings Smackdown of Klaus, and Esther's reveal and forgiveness -- was I all a'squee and filled with the glorious OHMYGOD!ILOVEMYSHOW! that normally accompanies it. Hmm. I don't know. I really do hope that a rewatch will change this. It very well could. It's happened before. Anyhoo, onto specific areas of the show that I'm breaking down into five sections.

The Originals

The best thing about this episode was easily the Originals. I mean, first of all, the most obvious awesome: Elijah! Who found the time between kicking Klaus' ass (and how awesome was that?!?!) and meeting Damon for a romantic tête à tête in golden fields ("Xoxo. / Damon.") to get a haircut. Seriously, though, that Damon/Elijah scene made my slasher-sense (which is quite weak) go off. I know that Damon flirts with anything that moves, but from Elijah's end, that finishing of Damon's note (that Elijah kept!), saying his name after the "xoxo" was just too delicious. Okay, and seriously, that ass-kicking of Klaus was really, really awesome. He just kept going at him, daring him to stake him again, and just being all-around bad-ass. Oh, how I love me some Elijah! Especially when that bad-assery just continued full-bore into the episode. Playing along with Klaus like a good brother, all the while he'd undaggered his siblings behind Klaus' back and then he calmly told Klaus what he thought of his "vulgar promises." Hee! Loved it. Love HIM so much!!

As great as the Klaus/Elijah throwdown was even better was seeing all those siblings take their turns abusing Klaus and how flummoxed by the whole situation he was. Resorting to empty threats and entreaties of family togetherness, and sounding so very much like a child. But isn't that how it goes? Surrounded by your sibling(s), who doesn't resort to childish ways? (That's certainly the case for the Salvatore brothers. But more on them later.)

Also obviously awesome: Rebekah! YAY! She's back, she's back, she's back! SQUEEE!!! So awesome seeing her again in her lovely Elena-picked red dress. On the other hand ... BOO! She wants to kill Elena, that doppelganger wench. *sigh* Rebekah embrace the bosom-buddy that could be you and Elena! EMBRACE IT! However, since we all know that she won't kill Elena, I can forgive Rebekah and just embrace her awesome. Which included her twist on "Always and forever" to Klaus. Instead of having his family with him always and forever, now he would be alone, no siblings, no hybrids. Always and forever. Cold, but so deserved.

Not that mommy dearest agrees. And, folks, have we met this season's big baddie? She certainly has Klaus-y boy shaking in his boots. I LOVED how Joseph Morgan played Klaus unable to look into his mother's eyes, fully expecting and not fighting the fact that she would kill him, and then struggling so long and so hard to meet her eyes. But I get it. She's scary. I mean, dude, she served up the Original Petrova (Tatia, okay then) via her blood to her children to punish her because she had the temerity to exist in her charming awesomeness and make her boys fall in love with her. Then she tried to kill Elena not once (by telling Klaus the Hybrid-cure was to kill Elena), but twice (through Vicki Donovan). This? Is not a nice lady. And how will she react to seeing Tatia in Elena's form, and possibly Katherine too if she shows up? And seeing two brothers once again in love with the look-alike, knowing that those brothers were in love with the first doppelganger, and her boys were in love (or at least felt *something) for that doppelganger potentially repeating the cycle of Tatia all over again. History does repeat itself after all on this show.

The Brothers and the Doppelganger2.0

What's nice to see though is that clearly OUR brothers do not want that repetition taking place again. Yes, they both love Elena, but they don't want to be torn apart again the way that Katherine did to them before. Of course, I'm still not seeing how Stefan's love is all that great. I mean, am I really supposed to just accept that Stefan loves Elena soooo much and take his comment about that feeling with any level of aww after the fuckery he's pulled? Even counting the shitty-ass way he treated her at the top of the episode? Just, yeah, no, I can't. But, I do know he loves her, I just don't think -- to use both his and Damon's words -- he deserves her, and I think he deserves her waaaaaaaaaay less than Damon at this point. I mean, in this episode, we had Stefan AGAIN taking a play out of the abusive boyfriend's handbook. I'm going to turn around and make you feel guilty for asking a perfectly valid question due to my behavior and remind me of your "betrayal." It was shifty and shitty and just pissed me off that Elena did seem to feel guilty, and slightly obsequious. Taking two steps back that I didn't think she had in last week's episode, but I felt a bit of in this scene.

I guess that's where some of my frustration with this episode came from. I felt like this scene with Stefan and Damon, and much of the Elena-discussion part of the dinner with Klaus was about equating Damon and Stefan in terms of affection relating to Elena and it felt wrong. As wrong as it would have been equating the two in season 01, or the first half or so of season 02 because Damon didn't *deserve* to be even be considered worthy of Elena's affection, let alone alongside Stefan. Right now, Stefan doesn't deserve to be alongside Damon. Not after what he's done. Not after fucking Wickery Bridge. Not two episodes later. And as a Damon/Elena fan, I will be infuriated if they start moving Stefan and Elena back into each other's romantic orbit when that fanbase had TWO YEARS of a love story, while we've kinda gotten six episodes (3.05-06/3.08-11). Not fair, no way, no how. Prove me wrong, show. PLEASE prove these sudden fears wrong and justify my faith in you. I beg of you.

Stefan is not the good guy right now and does not deserve to be welcomed back into anyone's loving bosom (except for Damon, hehehe) for quite some time. At least through the rest of this season. And it's not just his ripper, emotion-less, douchebaggery ways that are a problem. There's also his rampant idiocy rising to the fore again. Oh, Stefan. He REALLY is an idiot. He really, really is. I'm sorry, I love him, but he is! His whole attitude right now is causing way, way more harm than good (for everyone, including Elena). And he's being pissy with Damon because Damon had the audacity to *gasp* kiss the girl he ran out on months ago and since then has treated like utter crap for a few more months. I would feel more for Stefan since Damon is his brother and all had Stefan not done the same BUT WORSE while he was HUMAN to Damon over Katherine ... while Damon was still with her and not off killing people along the Eastern seaboard and being the world's biggest dick to the girl!

*Sigh* And then we had the only acknowledgement from him that his brother ISN'T an idiot being his halfhearted admission that it was a smart move to undagger Elijah. Of course, it was then followed by Stefan being pissy all over again. Still, I did love the overall sentiment of this final scene with them. Because the overall sentiment was that, yes, they don't want history to repeat (see: Damon not answering Elena's phone call right in front of Stefan), and they do love each other even if they won't say it. But the fact that they could say that love Elena to each other, I think, is actually a step in the right direction because that's certainly nothing they've ever admitted to each other (obviously more on Damon's end, but still) before now.

I also really, really liked their entire interaction during the dinner scenes. Damon was SUCH the big brother to Stefan's pissy, misbehaving younger brother. It was kinda adorable. And gave me my favorite line of the night: "Stef, remember when you killed dad, might wanna dial down the judgement til dessert." Oh, lordy, I lost it. SO LOST IT THERE! "Remember when you killed dad?" HAH! Then, of course, how quick Damon was to jump to Stefan's defense when Klaus was hurting/burning him. Oh, the love is there. They're getting SO close to admitting it to each other.

Finally, not so much about the brothers, but another moment I liked during this scenes was when Klaus casually mentioned that one of them would turn Elena into a vampire and we got no focus on Stefan because, well, why would we, we already know his thoughts on that. He wants her to be a vampire selfishly, but he doesn't want her turned because she doesn't want it and he knows it. (Well, the good Stefan anyway. Clearly, the asshole Stefan had no problem with it.) What was interesting was that we got Damon's reaction. The expression on his face read very much an almost abashed 'yup, that's the plan.' Which perfectly fits into my head-canon of Damon that, of course, were he and Elena committed to each other, she with him 100%, he would want to turn her so that they could be together forever.

The Doppelganger2.0, Family and Friends

And, boy, does it seem like Elena isn't as opposed to that idea now? I dunno. But the fact that her reaction to Bill being killed wasn't 'oh noes!' but rather an immediate jump to 'no problem! he has vampire blood, give him some human blood and he's good to go!' (Thanks to butterfly for pointing that one out to me.) She was pretty quick and cavalier to come to that conclusion. Yeah. So I do think she's actually coming around to that way of thinking, but it's a subconscious thing that she's not even aware of ... kinda like how she's been falling for Damon all along and she's just now beginning to realize that something there. But her not getting any inkling of that vampiric thought process of hers is fine because (a) Elena is denial-girl, and (b) it was in service of being a good friend to Caroline.

I mentioned above how we had some really great character stuff and that mostly popped into my head with regards to Caroline and Elena. I adored how Elena was so completely there for Caroline, and how we had that breather of a discussion where they talked about how Elena dealt with her dad dying to help Caroline try and deal a bit better. Although, I certainly did raise my brows a few times at Elena telling Caroline that she couldn't force Bill to drink blood even though Caroline wanted him to live because it was "his choice." I mean, really, Elena? You're the only one who can make a choice against their will for loved ones? Yes, yes, I know that Jeremy is underaged with his life ahead of him, and Bill is a man fully grown who's lived his life, but still, I will totally admit that, yeah, this time, there was definitely some hypocrisy on display there from Elena.

Still, the overall vibe of the scene was lovely because she was so there for Caroline, and it was a nice bit of the character's history adding a richness and depth to this aspect of the story. Which was really needed because it simply wasn't there in the Caroline/Bill scenes. And that is where what we've been seen versus shown really was evident in this episode. This is something that is normally not even remotely at play in The Vampire Diaries. Yet, it was here and, unfortunately, was mostly not good. Whereas the Elena/Caroline scenes really worked because we know these girls, we know their relationship, their friendship and love for one another, that connection was missing in the other equations.

First up, there was Caroline and Bill. We only got to know their relationship post-vampire!Caroline, and it was a Bill who did seem to hate, as well as love, Caroline, even if it was only for what she was. His protestations that he didn't hate her, he loved her, didn't affect me at all because I certainly didn't see much evidence that he loved his daughter more than he hated her vampirism. And when she said that she hated him, but didn't want him to die I was thrown out of it in both scenes because I seriously thought "when?" since we've never seen Caroline anything but loving daddy, metaphorically throwing herself prostrate at daddy's feet begging for him to love her. So when Bill died, I was not only not upset by the character's death (dude, he tortured Caroline *and* Tyler, and tried to take down my bb, Damon!), I didn't even connect with Caroline's grief because the relationship didn't feel real to me. And I admit it, I was frustrated that we finally get such a powerful moment of a human choosing to die rather than become a vampire ... and it was Bill. Who I don't give two royal fucks about. Geez. That choice should have been saved for a character that we knew and loved and would have mourned. Ah well.

The other connection that didn't quite connect for me? Matt and Elena. I loved the bridge scene between the two in "Our Town" because it was about Elena and the girl she used to be. It wasn't trying to connect Matt and Elena's past relationship and push that forward, it was her past saying goodbye. But in this episode, we're expected to be moved by this relationship that frankly has been almost entirely all tell, with very little showing. When Elena didn't call Damon when there was blood all over, when Alaric was found bleeding and dying, when she had to kill Alaric and he didn't wake up, and instead sat with Matt, taking comfort from him the whole time, it felt ... off. I didn't get why Elena was suddenly not reaching out to the one who had been her rock for months now just because ... uhm, the script didn't call for it? Sure she phoned Damon, but it was much later, after the blood was found, after she killed Ric, after Caroline's dad died, after Ric woke up. And Damon being someone she tells about major events like that AFTER THE FACT does not jibe with ANYTHING we've seen with them this season.

Plus, I'm wary and getting a scared feeling about Elena and Matt. We had the bridge scene in "Our Town," then Klaus' speech about Elena should settle down with a human (like, oh, Matt Donovan), and then Matt walking home with her, her asking him to stay with her ... well, it was worrisome. Especially when he agreed to stay with Elena and not go and see Caroline after Elena just told him her dad died. So, yeah, that was an issue for me too on top of the lack of Damon/Elena in the last few episodes, and Elena playing the guilty girlfriend with Stefan in their one scene. *sigh*

ETA: I don't really think they'll go there with Matt and Elena, and I wonder now if the whole point of this with these two was one of two reasons or maybe a mix of both. Firstly, that Damon decides it is what is best for Elena, and decides to push her in that direction. To make things right with Stefan and selflessly walk away from Elena romantically would certainly be in character for him. (Of course, I'd like then for Elena to be all 'uhm, no!') And secondly, Klaus is all pushing Matt romantically at Elena, and then as he starts to develop feelings for Caroline (speculation, but well, we know where the idea comes from), he sees that Matt is a rival for her affections and takes him out of the equation for Caroline, Elena or anyone.

However, whoa, Elena killing Alaric? Wow. And something she now has in common with Damon. It was interesting that we had that moment because it gave us two things -- one, Elena, completely and accepting fully that she's a supernatural entity, and secondly, once again, showing that she can and will do whatever she has to do to keep her "family" safe.

The Witches

Not much on them because this was another less-than-stellar emotional gut-puncher simply because as great as Bonnie was in her confronting Abby, it didn't really connect because we don't know Abby. Perhaps if Bonnie had talked about her more to some degree prior to the last episode, perhaps if last week had been better written with these two? I don't know, but the only oomph! I felt from this was seeing that judgy behavior from Bonnie towards Abby that I expected in "The Ties That Bind." This was some well-deserved judgery from Bonnie that I loved! However, I will say that I liked Persia White as Abby much more in this episode and got a better sense of her character ... even if it was her selfish weakness. She, at least, felt more real to me than she did in Brian Young's outing.

And a small thing, but can i just say how much I positively adored that Damon referred to Bonnie and Abby as "my wicked witches." It literally made me go aww. Damon considers Bonnie his witch now. How far they've come!

One random this week ...

- So who is killing the council members? I had a very scary thought with Stefan's accusation about Damon, and the constant references to Damon's car that he'll become a red herring. I simply can't believe it could be him, though, because of Ric being staked. However, if Damon does become a red herring, Elena, Ric! *and* Liz better defend him! Now, since it's not him (no way, no how), then, who is it? It's just ... damn, who is doing it?!

Well, that's it. Again, it was en episode that had a LOT of awesome in it, but some disconnect that kept me from being in full OMG!AWESOME!SHOW! mode. And I miss Damon and Elena. Yes, we've gotten a lot of them this season, but it's been interspersed through so much of a Stefan, Elena/Stefan filter and we've had very little of them in the last two episodes (plus, there was a week between episodes). I want more. And I don't think I'm being greedy or impatient at all to want that more. Kevin Williamson claimed that Damon and the show "earned" getting some Damon/Elena time this season. Yeah, well, so did the Damon/Elena fanbase ... but we earned a helluva lot more than we've gotten. There better be a lot more coming. Don't disappoint cuz you know how much I love you show! :)
 
 
 
roselani24roselani24 on February 3rd, 2012 10:27 am (UTC)
Hi! Erm, I'm new to TVD and came to your journal through x5vale. I LOVE your reviews of the episodes!! And uh, if its all right, I have a bunch of thoughts I'd love to share with a fellow TVD fan. *is nervous* But I'm going for it anyway.

Then you did have some eye-raising character moments pretty much all courtesy of the lovely hypocrite that is Stefan Salvatore. I mean, really, Stefan? I can't believe the way he acted with Elena in the caves, judging her for thinking he'd murder someone after EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS DONE! And then he had the audacity to throw it back about her not accusing Damon -- who has been there for her, her friends, STEFAN! himself and the town in general awesomely in like forever. So, not cool, Stefan. Then there was the whole ridiculous notion from Klaus that Stefan and Damon both think they can protect Elena best. Okay, yeah, totally for Damon. But Stefan? On what planet has Stefan EVER protected her successfully? Like EVER!? When he was good, his way of protecting her was generally: Call Damon. When in "bad" mode, his way was ... uhm, being a total ass and, oh yeah, catching her when she deliberately fell off of some bleachers. And that's it

SO TRUE!!! I completely agree with this. I can't recall a single time Stefan defended Elena successfully unless Damon was with him. And Damon has really done a good job, overall, of protecting Elena, and by extension Jeremy. This is a bit random, but when was the last time Jeremy died and was brought back by the magic Gilbert ring? When he went into the tomb to get the moonstone and didn't get out in time before Katherine regained her strength? Damon clobbered his head on that bench earlier this season, but he didn't kill him. And of course there was his real death in the Season finale of Season 2. I miss Jeremy. Hopefully he'll be back soon and he can have some more bonding scenes with Damon! :D What? A girl can dream!

And he's being pissy with Damon because Damon had the audacity to *gasp* kiss the girl he ran out on months ago and since then has treated like utter crap for a few more months. I would feel more for Stefan since Damon is his brother and all had Stefan not done the same BUT WORSE while he was HUMAN to Damon over Katherine ... while Damon was still with her and not off killing people along the Eastern seaboard and being the world's biggest dick to the girl!

Yep, Stefan's being a royal douche. And it may be because I really ought to be in bed, but what do you mean by Stefan doing worse to Damon while he was human in regards to Katherine? Do you mean Stefan ignoring Damon's warning to not say anything to their father about her?

Speaking of Damon, loved him tonight! He has come a long way since Season 1 and I'm so happy to see his continued progress! He was very smart and kept his head at the dinner with Klaus while Stefan mouthed off. Oh the irony! But man am I missing Damon/Elena scenes!!

As for the Council killings I still think Meredith is involved. She knows too much for a new comer to town for one. Her taking Damon's blood and giving it to Bill Forbes (and I had to laugh at it being Damon's blood that turned him since it was his blood that saved Caroline but ultimately played a roll in her being turned too)to heal him was certainly coincidental too. And third, Ric being nearly killed after she learned about his ring...no, she still a suspect on my list. I think she's working for someone however. Right now I'm leaning towards that person possibly being Esther. Thinking back over the season so far, and when Bonnie started having the dreams about the coffin, Vicki's ghost trying to kill Elena...she's been manipulating this. Somehow. At least that's my theory. ITA about her being the big bad of the season. :)

Something I also noticed on a re-watch was that both Elena and Bonnie call Damon. I found this more notable with Bonnie because at first it seemed she was working with Stefan fairly easily considering, but when her and Abby got the coffin unsealed she went and sent a text to Damon, not Stefan. The first time Elena called Damon, Ric was with her and the way they talked...it just really struck me how much those three trust each other and tell each other just about everything.





Edited at 2012-02-03 10:08 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Deanarabian on February 3rd, 2012 11:31 pm (UTC)
Hi! Erm, I'm new to TVD and came to your journal through x5vale. I LOVE your reviews of the episodes!! And uh, if its all right, I have a bunch of thoughts I'd love to share with a fellow TVD fan. *is nervous* But I'm going for it anyway.

Hello! I love when new people show up so welcome. :)

[Re: Stefan and his hypocritical, non-saving Elena ways] SO TRUE!!! I completely agree with this. I can't recall a single time Stefan defended Elena successfully unless Damon was with him.

He so hasn't. It's kinda sad and annoying how no one on the show seems to have picked up on this. :rolls eyes:

This is a bit random, but when was the last time Jeremy died and was brought back by the magic Gilbert ring? When he went into the tomb to get the moonstone and didn't get out in time before Katherine regained her strength?

Jeremy's actually only died twice -- in the season 02 premiere (via Damon) and in the season 02 finale (as you mentioned). He would have died with the pills he took in the season 01 finale, but since it was a slower death, Anna's blood actually saved him from dying and healed him. In "The Sacrifice" (2.10), I didn't get the impression that Katherine planned on killing him ... just feeding off of him, lol.

I miss Jeremy. Hopefully he'll be back soon and he can have some more bonding scenes with Damon! :D What? A girl can dream!

Me too, me too. I ADORE Damon/Jeremy scenes. Well, if we see a Michael Narducci-penned episode coming up anytime soon, I think we have a better chance of Jeremy possibly coming back because if Narducci wrote it? We get some Damon/Jeremy! :D

Yep, Stefan's being a royal douche.

Oh, Stefan. :(

And it may be because I really ought to be in bed, but what do you mean by Stefan doing worse to Damon while he was human in regards to Katherine?

No, Damon was with Katherine first and Stefan knew it, but pursued Katherine anyway. Stefan did meet her first, but it was Damon who initated a romantic relationship with her first. Stefan essentially (with, obviously Katherine's willing participation) stole Damon's girl.

Speaking of Damon, loved him tonight! He has come a long way since Season 1 and I'm so happy to see his continued progress! He was very smart and kept his head at the dinner with Klaus while Stefan mouthed off. Oh the irony! But man am I missing Damon/Elena scenes!!

Pretty much this. :D

As for the Council killings I still think Meredith is involved.

I don't know, I think she still is being set up as a red herring. I think she's innocent of this. However, I'm not really impressed with how they are handling the character. It's been four episodes now and I still don't feel anything for her. I don't think it's the actress simply because there's been SO LITTLE time spent on the character.

She knows too much for a new comer to town for one.

Well, she's not a newcomer to the town. She's a founding family member who we just haven't met before.

Right now I'm leaning towards that person possibly being Esther. Thinking back over the season so far, and when Bonnie started having the dreams about the coffin, Vicki's ghost trying to kill Elena...she's been manipulating this. Somehow. At least that's my theory. ITA about her being the big bad of the season. :)

Hmm, it would be interesting if the human killing and the Original family story tied together that way.

Something I also noticed on a re-watch was that both Elena and Bonnie call Damon. I found this more notable with Bonnie because at first it seemed she was working with Stefan fairly easily considering, but when her and Abby got the coffin unsealed she went and sent a text to Damon, not Stefan.

I think that "The Last Dance" and the two of them working together went a LONG WAY to easing Bonnie's dislike of Damon. And nothing we've seen has contradicted that. So yay!

The first time Elena called Damon, Ric was with her and the way they talked...it just really struck me how much those three trust each other and tell each other just about everything.

Well, Damon did tell Ric in "Ghost World," that aside from Elena, Ric was the only human he trusted completely. :D

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x5valex5vale on February 3rd, 2012 10:40 am (UTC)
I have to say, I did not love the episode per se, but for all the possibilities it opened up.

I love everything about the Originals and the Salvatores and as long as I get them and some Damon/Elena lingering on the air, well I am pretty content with the show.

And no, no way there is Damon behind the killing.
Arabian: Damon10arabian on February 3rd, 2012 11:35 pm (UTC)
I have to say, I did not love the episode per se, but for all the possibilities it opened up.

Ooh! Really good way of putting it. (You do this a lot, you have such a wonderful way of phrasing things, I love it.)

no way there is Damon behind the killing.

Yeah, I don't think he is, but I wonder if whoever is doing it is trying to set him up and if we'll see some of those he trusts (namely Elena, Ric and Liz) defend him.
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Pam Vpamsblau on February 3rd, 2012 10:51 am (UTC)
It was not my favourite episode and to be fair, it pissed me off a little in certain moments.

I don't think Damon is the one who's behind all of the kills, he wouldn't do that.

Everything about the Salvatores and Broriginals was great but I actually didn't want Elijah to turn on his brother, I knew that he's pissed but I didn't think he'd actually do it.
Arabian: Rebekah02arabian on February 3rd, 2012 11:37 pm (UTC)
It was not my favourite episode

Yeah, it's probably #3 from the bottom for me this season.

it pissed me off a little in certain moments.

Reading a few other posts, reading these responses to my post and some more thinking on it, I'm actually more pleased about the episode in retrospect. So that's something. :)

I don't think Damon is the one who's behind all of the kills, he wouldn't do that.

Yeah, I don't think he is, but I wonder if whoever is doing it is trying to set him up and if we'll see some of those he trusts (namely Elena, Ric and Liz) defend him.

I actually didn't want Elijah to turn on his brother, I knew that he's pissed but I didn't think he'd actually do it.

Considering what Klaus did, I wasn't surprised at all. And it's not like he killed him, or even could have. I think that eventually he would have forgiven them -- technically, they have forever. But I did expect him to be UBER-pissed at this point.
sun_signsun_sign on February 3rd, 2012 11:36 am (UTC)
accusing Damon — who has been there for her, her friends, STEFAN! himself and the town in general awesomely in like forever.


He also declared war on Mystic Falls when he first came back and killed lots of innocent humans. Sure, it was a year ago, but in Vampire Time that’s not very long. So I don’t think suspecting Damon of killing more people is unjustified. That said, while I don’t put killing people past him I still don’t think he is the murderer, because what would his motives be? He’s occupied with keeping Elena safe and negotiating with the Originals. I truly have no idea who it could be, or WHY they would be doing it. It’s all very confusing. Let’s look at the 3 murders/attempted murders:

1. They’re not very…vampiric. No signs of supernatural abilities having been used. The victims don’t have any bite marks and haven’t been drained of blood. The person has stabbed them, seemingly with the intent to kill them.

2. The attacks have been very random. In the woods just outside a Fouding Families event thingy, in the hospital, and in Elena’s house. So, the murderer is probably somebody who lives in Mystic Falls and is familiar with the area. And, like it was pointed out in the show, the murders seem to be connected to the Founding Families. And the attack on Alaric means that the person is able to enter the Elena’s house, which rules out uninvited vampires and hybrids.

3. The murderer has had acess to Alaric’s weapons recently.

Taking point 2. into account, it’s hard to believe that Meredith, Damon, Stefan or Tyler are guilty since they themselves are from Fouding Families. Or could it actually be someone from a FF who is tired of being part of all the bullshit and has decided to just kill them all off? Lol. I honestly have no idea!

as a Damon/Elena fan, I will be infuriated if they start moving Stefan and Elena back into each other’s romantic orbit when that fanbase had TWO YEARS of a love story, while we’ve kinda gotten six episodes (3.05-06/3.08-11).

Hahaha, i know right?! And people complain that DamonxElena is taking over the show. BITCH WE’VE WAITED 2 YEARS, LET US HAVE OUR MOMENTS. Not to mention our ”moments” are still less romantically charged than Season 1 StefanxElena. And I don’t have anything against StefanxElena, but I’d happily wait a little bit longer for a reuinion. The triangle is just now becoming an actual triangle, and going back to ~StefanAlways~ would be a step back.
Arabian: Katherine04arabian on February 3rd, 2012 11:52 pm (UTC)
He also declared war on Mystic Falls when he first came back and killed lots of innocent humans. Sure, it was a year ago, but in Vampire Time that’s not very long.

But it still doesn't even remotely compare to Stefan in my book. Damon killed six innocents (I'm not including Zach and Mrs. Gibbons because of the extenuating circumstances, but if we want to, that makes it eight* compared to the many that we know Stefan killed). And a LOT has happened in that year, Damon turning on his humanity switch and working his ass off to PROTECT the town and its residents, and he's gone in to double-time to keep everyone/everything safe and running smoothly since Stefan took off. So, I do think it was an unjustified dig that makes so sense in light of all that has happened with Damon recently.

* I'm not counting Jessica because no one knows about her and the dig came from someone who doesn't know about her.

That said, while I don’t put killing people past him I still don’t think he is the murderer, because what would his motives be? He’s occupied with keeping Elena safe and negotiating with the Originals.

Oh, I don't think it's Stefan at all. He's in the clear the same way Damon is. When Ric was staked, both Stefan and Damon were accounted for.

1. They’re not very…vampiric. No signs of supernatural abilities having been used. The victims don’t have any bite marks and haven’t been drained of blood. The person has stabbed them, seemingly with the intent to kill them.

So, it really does seem like it is a HUMAN doing this ... or a supernatural entity pretending to be human.

The attacks have been very random.

I don't consider them random since the victims are all council members. The locations just seems like more about when the possibility to the deed was available.

the murderer is probably somebody who lives in Mystic Falls and is familiar with the area.

Agreed; it's definitely a Mystic Falls resident.

the attack on Alaric means that the person is able to enter the Elena’s house, which rules out uninvited vampires and hybrids.

Yup. I am leaning towards a human still myself.

The murderer has had acess to Alaric’s weapons recently.

Right. And KNOWS where Alaric keeps his weapons.

Taking point 2. into account, it’s hard to believe that Meredith, Damon, Stefan or Tyler are guilty since they themselves are from Fouding Families.

Well, Meredith was ruled out by being in surgery, and Damon/Stefan were ruled out by being at the dinner.

Or could it actually be someone from a FF who is tired of being part of all the bullshit and has decided to just kill them all off? Lol. I honestly have no idea!

That makes sense!

Hahaha, i know right?! And people complain that DamonxElena is taking over the show.

That pisses me off SO MUCH when people say that. Just because most of the press and commentary is about Damon/Elena (or also Nina/Ian since they get the most press partially because they're dating) doesn't mean Damon/Elena are taking over the show. Because, they REALLY are not.

BITCH WE’VE WAITED 2 YEARS, LET US HAVE OUR MOMENTS. Not to mention our ”moments” are still less romantically charged than Season 1 StefanxElena.

And Season 2 Stefan/Elena.

And I don’t have anything against StefanxElena, but I’d happily wait a little bit longer for a reuinion.

Ah, I do. And I will honestly say that a reunion could kill this show for me at this point since Stefan has been shown to be in so many ways overt, subtle (even as said by the actress who plays Elena) as an abusive boyfriend. DO. NOT. WANT.

The triangle is just now becoming an actual triangle, and going back to ~StefanAlways~ would be a step back.

I don't see how they can EVER do that again and stay even remotely in character. :)

ETA: I just went to your journal to check out and respond but since I was not high on the episode and you loved it, I did not want to rain on your parade in your journal. :)

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Vickie: Ian - Damon WTFsarcasticcheese on February 3rd, 2012 12:57 pm (UTC)
Can we talk about something that almost ruined the episode for me for a minute? I mean, whoever wrote this episode should be shot, drawn and quartered, and various other torturous methods for this.

When Matt and Elena get back to Casa Gilbert and the light switch doesn't work?

THIS IS MYSTIC FALLS. YOU BOTH KNOW ABOUT VAMPIRES AND WEREWOLVES AND OTHER SUPERNATURAL STUFF. PEOPLE ARE DYING LEFT AND RIGHT AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS.

And you just assume the electricity is out and it's NO BIG DEAL? WHAT. THE. EVERLOVING. FUCK?

I'm sorry but that was so, so, so stupid. I mean, we're talking facepalm, headshake, banging head on wall stupid. I'm probably overreacting with it, but that's the kind of piddly shit that really bothers me about TV shows, and almost ruined this episode for me.

Almost. Because we have The Originals and everything with them this episode was awesome. Damon/Elijah? So made of win. The Dinner Party? So much more awesome than the last dinner party we had on this show. Finally meeting the other siblings? YAY! Momma Original? Eh. I agree with your assessment, but MAN was I disappointed when she said she was there to forgive him.

Overall, aside from the awesome Originals stuff, this episode was just meh. But we can expound later tonight.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on February 3rd, 2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
Hah! I had a brief moment thinking about that, but I was so consumed with WHY THE HELL IS SHE NOT CALLING DAMON!??! that I couldn't even concentrate on that, but very good point. :)

Because we have The Originals and everything with them this episode was awesome.

Truly every moment with them was PERFECTION!

Damon/Elijah? So made of win.

XOXO (If someone ever decided to make a comm for them, they should so call it that, LOL!)

The Dinner Party? So much more awesome than the last dinner party we had on this show.

I kept thinking of that myself. SO MUCH MORE AWESOME!

MAN was I disappointed when she said she was there to forgive him.

Really? That was one of my favorite parts because it was SO unexpected, but made sense when thinking about. She went out of her way to keep him from turning to a hybrid, but not in a way that would kill him. On the other hand, she could be playing a long game that will eventually lead to his DESTRUCTION!! (Cue evil laugh of evil!)

aside from the awesome Originals stuff, this episode was just meh

And Damon's one-liners! He was ON FIRE tonight! :D

Edited at 2012-02-03 11:57 pm (UTC)
archangel_bloodarchangel_blood on February 3rd, 2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
Sad to say this, but that's the second kinda underwhelming episode in a row IMO.

I was entertained by the Originals' storyline, though I was certain it was mommy in the coffin all along, so I wasn't really that surprised.

My love for Elijah knows no bounds. Seriously, the man is just awesome.

I laughed at Klaus's obvious amusement with the D/E/S triangle. He reminded me of an old gossip. But yeah, the fact he still thinks Stefan and Damon are equally devoted to Elena right now is ludicrous.

Caroline's storyline left me oddly unmoved. When this girl suffers, she usually breaks my heart. Last night I did not feel it. My acute dislike of her Dad was probably the reason why I was so unimpressed.

Yeah, I've already seen other people worrying about the whole Matt/Elena thing after last night. Honestly I don't think this is gonna happen. The way I see it, Elena already has two love interests and is feeling more and more torn between them. Adding a third one will just ruin her character's integrity. Personally, I will never be able to take her seriously again if she started to feel anything more than friendly affection for Matt. Being in love with two people in a slightly different way is something that just happens. I've seen it, I've heard about it, I've even experienced it way back in the past. But three? That's taking it dangerously close to something straight out of the Anita Blake series.

Stefan's behaviour is annoying the hell out of me. Especially him telling Damon that if he'd let him die, he could have Elena all to himself. Because obviously Elena will never ever choose to be with Damon if Stefan was still alive, right? What an egocentrical bratty asshole he is.

The lack of D/E was simply upsetting. Weeks and weeks without D/E now. Just cruel, show.
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on February 4th, 2012 12:36 am (UTC)
Sad to say this, but that's the second kinda underwhelming episode in a row IMO.

Sigh, yup. But after reading other posts, these comments and thinking over it, I am actually happier with the episode, and in the long run, more Damon/Elena optimistic. :)

I was entertained by the Originals' storyline, though I was certain it was mommy in the coffin all along, so I wasn't really that surprised.

I had originally thought it was her, but because she was in the ghost world, I changed my mind. I was thinking it would be Tatia (to the point where I said aloud: Poor Nina, LOL!) so it was a surprise to me.

My love for Elijah knows no bounds. Seriously, the man is just awesome.

So very true. *Dreamy sigh*

I laughed at Klaus's obvious amusement with the D/E/S triangle. He reminded me of an old gossip. But yeah, the fact he still thinks Stefan and Damon are equally devoted to Elena right now is ludicrous.

Very true. On both accounts, however, Klaus is clearly blinded by his love for Stefan that he sees him as the chosen one as much as Stefan does so no doubt has built up any love story of Stefan's to dizzying heights, LOL!

Caroline's storyline left me oddly unmoved. When this girl suffers, she usually breaks my heart. Last night I did not feel it. My acute dislike of her Dad was probably the reason why I was so unimpressed.

EXACTLY! We don't know him. All we know of him is he left Liz, he tortured Caroline, he threatened to overthrow Damon's existence, he tortured Tyler and he was a condescending ass most of the time we knew him. WHY WOULD WE CARE?!?!?!?

Yeah, I've already seen other people worrying about the whole Matt/Elena thing after last night. Honestly I don't think this is gonna happen.

I realized how I made my comment on it sound like I thought it would really happen, so I edited it to say that I really don't, but it just worries me because we Damon/Elena fans are dealing enough with shipper wars, LOL! Stefan/Elena, Elijah/Elena, Klaus/Elena, Alaric/Elena ... do they HAVE to add another one? *Sigh*

That's taking it dangerously close to something straight out of the Anita Blake series.

Ugh, don't get me started on those. I was raging at a certain point in those books and stopped reading. Ick!

Stefan's behaviour is annoying the hell out of me. Especially him telling Damon that if he'd let him die, he could have Elena all to himself. Because obviously Elena will never ever choose to be with Damon if Stefan was still alive, right? What an egocentrical bratty asshole he is.M

He really is and I truly wonder if we are supposed to see him this way or if it is the way Wesley is playing him. I just don't know.

The lack of D/E was simply upsetting. Weeks and weeks without D/E now. Just cruel, show.

Well, I would like more of them, and I'm not above complaining (see, my post), but we did get a phone conversation with them (albeit with Ric), we did get Elena calling him (and not calling Stefan), judging Stefan (and not judging Damon), we did get several overt and subtle references to Damon's love for Elena. Last episode, we did get a cute scene with pouty-face Damon, and the glorious porch scene the week before, plus the awesome-awesomeness of "The New Deal." But, yeah, I want more, LOL! I do think that after next week, we're in for a dry-spell because Damon is going to pull away (because he DOES selflessly love her) and whatever fallout comes from that *hopefully* will be what finally wakes Miss Elena up!
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Damon necklacebadboy_fangirl on February 3rd, 2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm pretty much over Stefan and his "you were bad, you betrayed me!" to Damon for all the reasons you list. I mean, if you look in the dictionary under hypocrite, there is a big, shiny picture of Stefan Salvatore right now. Just, ugh. So disgusting, and when I'm disgusted with someone it makes it hard for me to have any sympathy for them.

My take on the Damon not taking Elena's call while he was talking to Stefan: and based on the fact that Damon says, "I didn't do that for your benefit," makes me certain that we're going to see Damon pulling away from Elena after Klaus's big speech. Watching Damon all through that, all I could think is: He loves Elena so much, he'll do it, he'll do what he thinks is best for her, and that means taking himself out of the running again--and hopefully preventing anything between her and Stefan as well. He'll just see the good sense in it, even if he doesn't want her to end up with Matt--which, that part was so funny for me. "Matt Donovan? Really?"

LOL, oh, Damon. ♥

Anyway, that's just how I see it.
Arabian: Damon10arabian on February 4th, 2012 12:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm pretty much over Stefan and his "you were bad, you betrayed me!" to Damon for all the reasons you list. I mean, if you look in the dictionary under hypocrite, there is a big, shiny picture of Stefan Salvatore right now. Just, ugh. So disgusting, and when I'm disgusted with someone it makes it hard for me to have any sympathy for them.

I'm really curious as to what they are doing with Stefan. Are we supposed to be seeing him as this asshole? Because most on my flist are Stefan fans and I'm seeing nothing but complaints about what a douche he is. Or is it the way Paul Wesley is playing it? I don't know. Was I supposed to feel for Stefan and his love for Elena when he told Damon that? I didn't. I rolled my eyes and thought, 'yeah, well, fuck you, Stefan, you screwed the pooch on that one didn't ya?'

My take on the Damon not taking Elena's call while he was talking to Stefan: and based on the fact that Damon says, "I didn't do that for your benefit," makes me certain that we're going to see Damon pulling away from Elena after Klaus's big speech.

Yeah, I'd actually come to that conclusion after writing this post and before reading this response from you and then saw you posted this and was like, yeah, okay, so I wasn't pulling that out of thin air then, LOL! I agree. (I actually wrote a whole spec post about it.)

Watching Damon all through that, all I could think is: He loves Elena so much, he'll do it, he'll do what he thinks is best for her, and that means taking himself out of the running again--and hopefully preventing anything between her and Stefan as well. He'll just see the good sense in it, even if he doesn't want her to end up with Matt--which, that part was so funny for me. "Matt Donovan? Really?"

Very true. As for Matt, as I edited into my post later, I think the Matt thing from Klaus may be more as a spoiler for anything with Klaus and Caroline.

Anyway, that's just how I see it.

Yeah, I did get that too upon further contemplation. :)
Alishakalishaka on February 3rd, 2012 09:50 pm (UTC)
First off, I have to say this episode was engaging, kept my interest, and in comparison to the mess we got right before...it was a dream. Not by any stretch a great episode, but I'd give it good. Might be more fun on re-watch.

I really love the Originals. I love everything happening with them. Also, totally called Mama Original being in the coffin. *does victory dance* (However, this totally got spoiled for me, which kind of ruined the reveal. Ugh.... I normally going fairly spoiler free as a rule, so I'm really good at skirting and this one just no.)

I did however spend the majority of this episode wondering what the fuck was happening. I think the flaw with this episode is that it was very action heavy. Where last week dragged as they set ground work for something. This episode was slightly rushed through as they tried to set all the major plot lines in motion for what will be the rest of the season. Or at least I think that's the feel. The original family is complete. Someone is killing off council members.

They were really playing up the brother dynamics in this episode and I really enjoyed it. Because Elijah and Damon versus the now loose cannons that are Klaus and Stefan. I just enjoy that Stefan is the out of control one. And this might have been...one of the first vampire diaries episodes to ever fully bring out my slash goggles. I couldn't even handle all the male vampire UST happening. Also....sexiest dinner party to ever happen on a television show.

On what planet has Stefan EVER protected her successfully? Like EVER!? When he was good, his way of protecting her was generally: Call Damon. When in "bad" mode, his way was ... uhm, being a total ass and, oh yeah, catching her when she deliberately fell off of some bleachers. And that's it.

Thank you! Just thank you! I was literally screaming this while watching.

Damon at the dinner party was absolutely perfect. Every line.

"Stef, remember when you killed dad, might wanna dial down the judgement til dessert."

I loved this call out. Because to be fair, family can forgive a lot. And it's not so much that Klaus killed their mother as he lied to them about it and his own terror over being left alone when they found out let him to daggering them and betraying them continually. He didn't trust his siblings to love him, when, at least in the case of Elijah and Rebekah, they loved him above all else.

The message of family on this show...is just beautiful.

Elena however was in a weird way the star of this for me. Despite all the awesome things happening with the Vampires, Elena for once got to be very much the human she isn't, which I think has been lacking for a bit. She is a supernatural entity. It has redefined her life completely. This episode, she got to support her friends. She protected her family. The bit with Alaric, broke me a little. Elena's innocence is gone, completely. What exists now is a woman who can and will do anything to protect the people she loves. Love motivates her, much as it motivates Damon. Everything she does, good and bad, is done fully out of love. It's changed her. It's made her darker. But it's also made her beautiful. I just, I have so many feelings.

I had so many things I thought of to say when I was reading through but alas, that's all I can really remember.

Edited at 2012-02-03 09:50 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on February 4th, 2012 12:57 am (UTC)
Not by any stretch a great episode, but I'd give it good.

I actually do think it was a great episode, evened out by the awesome of Damon, Elena, Alaric and the Originals and the not-so awesome of Abby (dragging Bonnie down), Bill (dragging Caroline down), Matt's kinda just-there mehness and Stefan (in all his douchebag glory).

Might be more fun on re-watch.

I really do think it will be.

I really love the Originals. I love everything happening with them.

I can not argue with this at all!

Also, totally called Mama Original being in the coffin. *does victory dance* (However, this totally got spoiled for me, which kind of ruined the reveal. Ugh.... I normally going fairly spoiler free as a rule, so I'm really good at skirting and this one just no.)

I can feel your pain as I was spoiled for Elijah's return. :( I thought she would be in the coffin originally, but when I thought of her being in ghost world, I discounted that. So good on you for sticking to that!

I think the flaw with this episode is that it was very action heavy.

Yes, BUT there was no narrative flow or character cohesion. And it's interesting because the last episode these two writers did was "As I Lay Dying" which had a lot of boom!boom!boom! action. The difference? Michael Narducci (he who wrote "The Last Dance," "The Reckoning" and "Our Town") co-wrote AILD with them. I think that he provided that flow and cohesion now that balanced out the heavy action without making it feel all so much like plot!plot!plot! thickening sauce added here!

I think that's the feel. The original family is complete. Someone is killing off council members.

I can see that. (And AILD was in a lot of ways set-up for season 03.)

They were really playing up the brother dynamics in this episode and I really enjoyed it. Because Elijah and Damon versus the now loose cannons that are Klaus and Stefan.

Agreed.

I just enjoy that Stefan is the out of control one.

But I don't like THIS out of control Stefan. He's just SUCh an asshole. I'm simply not enjoying him. :(

And this might have been...one of the first vampire diaries episodes to ever fully bring out my slash goggles. I couldn't even handle all the male vampire UST happening.

Ah, see, it was only the Damon/Elijah golden-lit fields XOXO scene that did it for me, LOL!

Also....sexiest dinner party to ever happen on a television show.

I concur. :) (Especially when Rebekah and the two other brothers joined. Uber-hotness all-around!)

"Stef, remember when you killed dad, might wanna dial down the judgement til dessert."

I loved this call out.


It was such perfection.

Because to be fair, family can forgive a lot. And it's not so much that Klaus killed their mother as he lied to them about it and his own terror over being left alone when they found out let him to daggering them and betraying them continually. He didn't trust his siblings to love him, when, at least in the case of Elijah and Rebekah, they loved him above all else.

Yeah, I agree. Family and forgiveness go hand in hand on this show, but some sins are harder to forgive. (Matricide and patricide clearly are not among those sins, LOL!)

The message of family on this show...is just beautiful.

Yeah, it really is.

Elena however was in a weird way the star of this for me. Despite all the awesome things happening with the Vampires, Elena for once got to be very much the human she isn't, which I think has been lacking for a bit.

Hmm, I felt like from "Our Town" on we've seen a VERY human Elena and it's contrasted with her fully coming to grips with the fact that she isn't just a human.

She is a supernatural entity. It has redefined her life completely. This episode, she got to support her friends. She protected her family. The bit with Alaric, broke me a little. Elena's innocence is gone, completely. What exists now is a woman who can and will do anything to protect the people she loves. Love motivates her, much as it motivates Damon. Everything she does, good and bad, is done fully out of love. It's changed her. It's made her darker. But it's also made her beautiful. I just, I have so many feelings.

I can't disagree with any of this at all.
sillyforwordssillyforwords on February 4th, 2012 12:22 am (UTC)
I agree this episode seemed a bit disjointed. I put it down to the direction, because I know Jeffrey Hunt directed it. He's the boom mike guy who appeared in a behind the scenes photo of the Birthday episode and some people went gaga over his looks. Anyway, I think this is his first time directing, at least on TVD, so I sort of blame the lack of flow on inexperience. I really miss Marcos Siega who did such a wonderful job in season 1. I think a lot of the subtext in the script comes from the directors vision and a good director can elevate the script to another level.

Anyway, back to the show..So much word on the lack of Damon/Elena scenes. It feels all the more glaring because we really didn't have much of a fallout from the kiss. It was building and building up to that point, and then boom..not much interaction. It's like the power of the moment just fizzled out. Yes we got the "not right now" moment, but it was too short and rather unsatisfying. Now that Stefan is fully back in the picture and laying claim to Elena again (I really cannot interpret his "I love her Damon" any other way) I'm afraid that the Damon/Elena intimacy will be a thing of the past. I can tolerate a slow build up and simmering tension and even love it when there's no third party involved. But when it's a lopsided triangle like it is on TVD, it gets very wearing on my nerves. Especially when the writing starts to get biased. The character shilling for Stefan/Elena is getting a bit obvious..I mean lines like "that kind of love never dies" or implying that Stefan works just as hard at protecting Elena as Damon is just lazy writing that is more in the tell not show category. And then we have Elena treating Stefan with kid gloves, feeling guilty for daring to have feelings for Damon and generally acting so apologetic that it has become all about dealing with Stefan's man pain rather than about the stunts he pulled to screw things up. I just hope we'll get at least a bit more development on the Damon/Elena front before we inevitably go back into "triangle" mode.

I loved the Caroline Elena scenes, although, much like you, Bill's death didn't affect me. I think for me it was more about how he was acting so morally superior for choosing to die rather than turn, I just didn't feel any sympathy. Even in his death he was an asshat.

The Originals...I'm over them. As long as it was just the two Original brothers sort of paralleling the Salvatore brothers, they were interesting. Now they are multiplying like rabbits, and I just can't be invested in all of them. Well actually, I adore Rebekah too, so I guess I'm talking about the rest of them lol. Do we really need so many of them to further the story?

I think I really enjoy the show the most when it's dealing with the main trio. Probably why this episode felt a little blah to me because the Originals were front and center. Anyway, next week's episode looks good...all pretty dresses and formal dancing. I'm looking forward to it.
Arabian: Damon11arabian on February 4th, 2012 01:23 am (UTC)
Phew! I went to town here, you got me going, LOL! :)

PART 1 of 2 --

I agree this episode seemed a bit disjointed. I put it down to the direction, because I know Jeffrey Hunt directed it. He's the boom mike guy who appeared in a behind the scenes photo of the Birthday episode and some people went gaga over his looks. Anyway, I think this is his first time directing, at least on TVD, so I sort of blame the lack of flow on inexperience. I really miss Marcos Siega who did such a wonderful job in season 1. I think a lot of the subtext in the script comes from the directors vision and a good director can elevate the script to another level.

Hmm, that's definitely a possibility. I had put it down to the lack of Narducci writing with the two who did write this one tonight. There was no narrative flow or character cohesion. And it's interesting because the last episode these two writers did was "As I Lay Dying" which had a lot of boom!boom!boom! action. The difference? Michael Narducci (he who wrote "The Last Dance," "The Reckoning" and "Our Town") co-wrote AILD with them. I think that he provided that flow and cohesion now that balanced out the heavy action without making it feel all so much like plot!plot!plot! thickening sauce added here! It could be one or the other, or a combination of both maybe.

So much word on the lack of Damon/Elena scenes.

I actually am feeling a lot more optimistic after sleeping, reading other posts, these comments and thinking on the episode more. We did get a phone conversation with them (albeit with Ric), we did get Elena calling him (and not calling Stefan), judging Stefan (and not judging Damon), we did get several overt and subtle references to Damon's love for Elena. Last episode, we did get a cute scene with pouty-face Damon, and the glorious porch scene the week before, plus the awesome-awesomeness of "The New Deal." But, yeah, I want more, LOL! I do think that after next week, we're in for a dry-spell because Damon is going to pull away (because he DOES selflessly love her) and whatever fallout comes from that *hopefully* will be what finally wakes Miss Elena up! But I think that dry-spell and what we've had so far is what is needed to PUSH Elena to where she needs to be. It's like all the agony we went through in season 02 is kinda what led us to all the awesome we have gotten in this season. I think it's leading to that payoff.

It feels all the more glaring because we really didn't have much of a fallout from the kiss.

Hmm, see I think we've gotten great fall-out from the kiss. Damon all happy in the shower, Elena all frustrated with the kick-boxing, their discussion on the porch about it that clearly put it on the backburner for them ... yet, it's still something that's there simmering in the back of their minds. We saw that with Elena last week with Bonnie and Stefan, and this week with Damon and Stefan.

It was building and building up to that point, and then boom..not much interaction.

I think if we had had this wild, all-consuming passionate kiss where they finally released all of that tension, I'd be with you. But we didn't. It was more of an acknowledgement that there's something there, a glimpse, just a taste of it, but still held back ... on both sides, so what it's been building up to has not even remotely reached its climax yet. So, for me they aren't there yet. Elena is too hung up on:

1) I can't love two brothers, it's wrong.
2) I can't love Damon, what does that say about me?
3) I said it was Stefan, always, only Stefan! Oops!
4) I said I'd never fall for his brother

While Damon is still hung up on:

1) She's Stefan's girl.
2) I really don't deserve her.
3) She's better off without me.
4) She sorta has the hots for me, but she's not really *really* into me.
5) I am getting my brother back, do I really want to risk that for a girl who doesn't love me even if I love her?
6) Since I love her, I should step back and let her be with who she loves (he thinks).

So, yeah, they are so not there yet. AT ALL.

It's like the power of the moment just fizzled out.

See, yeah, I think the power was in that acknowledgement, but we haven't gotten to the power of acceptance, I guess. That is when I expect things to go BOOM!

Edited at 2012-02-04 01:26 am (UTC)
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A lurking goblin marionettedanceinacircle on February 4th, 2012 02:23 am (UTC)
I haven't read your entry or any of the comments because I haven't watched the episode yet BUT I WILL I PROMISE...I just have to ask if you've seen this: https://twitter.com/ernestoriley

It's amazing.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on February 4th, 2012 02:36 am (UTC)
Not only have I seen it, not only do I follow it, he follows me! :D
gidget_84gidget_84 on February 4th, 2012 03:11 am (UTC)
I pretty much agree with all of your review, there isn't much to add, except..could Katherine have been masquerading as Elena some of the time? Maybe to get info on everything going on right now. But it seemed to me that Elena was in too many places at too many different times. Did you notice that?

Overall, very underwhelmed with this episode. Even the introduction to all of the Originals was not very squee inducing. I dunno, it was the pacing or something. It was like, too much for all of them to be undaggered at the same time. I mean, I loved seeing all of them, but even seeing mamaOriginal wasn't as OMG as I thought it would be. So I'm assuming she was the one in the coffin right? I was so hoping it was Tatia somehow, so we'd have another Elena running around lol assuming Tatia was the original Petrova.

Yeah, the person killing everyone has to be human. Well, I mean, I'm assuming it was a human. Though Meredith is too easy of a guess. And Damon? What the hell? When has Damon ever done anything without at least being provoked first?...Maybe it is Matt ;)

You know, I thought Klaus's idea was going to be that the Original family would be moving along and leaving forever..if Elena joined them. Lol and I got to have a lovely image of all the hijinks that ensued. Like a crazy road trip. I'd love to see that, just for a little bit, because there is no way I want her away from Damon that long.

Stefan needs to take a long trip off of a cliff :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on February 4th, 2012 03:39 am (UTC)
I pretty much agree with all of your review, there isn't much to add, except..could Katherine have been masquerading as Elena some of the time? Maybe to get info on everything going on right now. But it seemed to me that Elena was in too many places at too many different times. Did you notice that?

I did notice that, but I genuinely believe that it was bad pacing. I don't think they'd let Katherine pretend to be Elena and not reveal it before episode's end. Plus, other than her utter, but understandable, hypocrisy talking about choices with Caroline, she was really, really totally ELENA, and not Katherine-esque at all. Actually, even that was totally Elena, it was just frustrating because of how she'd taken Jeremy's choice.

Overall, very underwhelmed with this episode.

I was half and half.

Even the introduction to all of the Originals was not very squee inducing.

I did love the Originals stuff. :)

I dunno, it was the pacing or something.

I felt like there was no narrative flow or character cohesion. And it's interesting because the last episode these two writers did was "As I Lay Dying" which had a lot of boom!boom!boom! action (like this one). The difference? Michael Narducci (he who wrote "The Last Dance," "The Reckoning" and "Our Town") co-wrote AILD with them. I think that he provided that flow and cohesion now that balanced out the heavy action without making it feel all so much like plot!plot!plot! thickening sauce added here!

It was like, too much for all of them to be undaggered at the same time.

I was okay with that simply because it gave us that glorious-ganging up on Klaus scene, hee!

I mean, I loved seeing all of them, but even seeing mamaOriginal wasn't as OMG as I thought it would be.

I was OMG-ing a bit about that, especially her forgiving Klaus.

So I'm assuming she was the one in the coffin right?

Yup.

I was so hoping it was Tatia somehow, so we'd have another Elena running around lol assuming Tatia was the original Petrova.

I thought it would be her too, and even said "Poor Nina" aloud, LOL!

Maybe it is Matt ;)

I totally was thinking that too, hah!

Stefan needs to take a long trip off of a cliff :)

He's just such a JERK right now. Ugh!
gidget_84gidget_84 on February 4th, 2012 04:39 am (UTC)
Okay so, I totally need to do a rewatch. When I watched last night, my mom was walking in and out of the room talking to me, and my dad was watching it with me and trying to follow it, so asking a whole bunch of questions..."who is this dude? who is that? she's a doppelganger? whats a doppelganger?, etc" lol so it was sorta hard to pay attention.

I did love the Originals all confronting Klaus, and mamaOriginal forgiving him. And the dinner party was fabulously awesome with all of them. I want MORE dinner parties :)

Question, just want your opinion: when TVD first started, I tried to get my mom into it, because for whatever reason, when she likes something that I love it feels awesome, ie she watched Buffy with me all those years ago, and she loved it; it was so nice to share that with someone, ya know? Anyway, she saw some of the first season, missed a lot of in-between episodes, and saw the finale, which she agreed was pretty good. However, I've asked her to start watching again, and she absolutely loathes it. She thinks it's too soap opera-y, which it is sometimes, but IT is about vampires lol So..what would arabian do?

Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on February 6th, 2012 09:42 pm (UTC)
it was sorta hard to pay attention

I can imagine with those distractions. I get annoyed when my cats meow or jump on me during the show, so I can't imagine what it was like for you, LOL!


I did love the Originals all confronting Klaus, and mamaOriginal forgiving him. And the dinner party was fabulously awesome with all of them. I want MORE dinner parties :)

Yes, to all of this ... so much YES!!!!

Re: Your mom: This show can't be watched in part. You have to sit down and watch it from the beginning. Tell her to try through episode 7 on a weekend when she has time. If she is not hooked by episode 7, she never will be, but if she can force herself to sit through the first 3 episodes (which are the weakest, and by all means, encourage her to make fun of stuff it helps her to get through it, LOL), by episode 4, she should start to see the improvement, then episode 6 is when it starts to really get people, then ep 7 is the first (imo) truly AWESOME! episode.
eolivet on February 4th, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
Stefan AGAIN taking a play out of the abusive boyfriend's handbook. I'm going to turn around and make you feel guilty for asking a perfectly valid question due to my behavior and remind me of your "betrayal."

You raise a really good point -- both about this and Stefan being put on the same level as Damon in terms of "both of you think you're what's best for her." The only explanation I can offer there (and maybe others have already) is that's Klaus' perspective -- he (presumably) wasn't around at all during S1, and he's seeing S/E through Stefan's lens -- what Stefan has told him, what he has observed. If he's observed Damon's behavior (since Damon has DEFINITELY been showing he wants to be the one to protect Elena, especially since Klaus came to town) then maybe it's projection. Or maybe it's projection of a different kind -- if Klaus sees himself as Stefan, and Elijah as Damon and they've had feuds over women, and he KNOWS how he himself felt about these women, then he assumes his best bro Stefan felt the same way...? IDK. But Klaus definitely isn't any kind of reliable narrator/perspective by ANY stretch, so I took anything he said with a huge grain of salt...

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME point about Klaus potentially (?) pursuing Caroline, and seeing Matt as an obstacle to that -- especially since they reminded us of Caroline/Matt is this episode as well. Oh, I LIKE that! Then Klaus will be torn between taking out who he wants Elena to have half-doppelganger babies with AND his potential romantic rival...yes!!!

(I did love Damon's delivery on "Matt Donovan?!" You could practically hear the "Ewww..." behind those words. ;)

Basically, the brothers Original and Salvatore need to have dinners EVERY DAY, and Stefan's hand needs to be put in the fire afterwards at every one. ;p
Arabian: SC & Klaus01arabian on February 6th, 2012 09:44 pm (UTC)
The only explanation I can offer there (and maybe others have already) is that's Klaus' perspective -- he (presumably) wasn't around at all during S1, and he's seeing S/E through Stefan's lens -- what Stefan has told him, what he has observed.

But it's not just Klaus' perspective. I'm fine with doing that (like the line in episode 12 about 'that love never dies' because the show proved him wrong because Stefan DID go too far), but when we have Stefan and Damon essentially being portrayed as on the same level (like in the final scene) that I get frustrated.

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME point about Klaus potentially (?) pursuing Caroline, and seeing Matt as an obstacle to that -- especially since they reminded us of Caroline/Matt is this episode as well. Oh, I LIKE that! Then Klaus will be torn between taking out who he wants Elena to have half-doppelganger babies with AND his potential romantic rival...yes!!!

I REALLY hope that was the subversive unexpected point of this. Like REALLY!
vanimy: Elena/Carolinevanimy on February 5th, 2012 01:30 am (UTC)
I thought the episode was kinda off too but not for the same reasons you pointed.

I actually loved the beginning of the episode. The Elijah/Klaus fight, the murder plot thickening, Elijah and Damon flirting in the meadow (they totally were :P and I died laughing about the note, someone on a forum actually joked about a note with Damon writing XOXO to Elijah way prior to the episode! it's uncanny), the dinner party. Everything felt great.

Then, I can't put my finger on what it was exactly but the episode kind of started to fall flat. I liked the Elena and Caroline storylines much better than the Originals one.

:o

There, I said it. :P

Here's why.

-I think Bill is a total douchebag too but I teared up in his scenes with Caroline. Because I felt for Caroline so much there so I didn't care if Bill was an asshole, I felt Caroline's pain there and that did it for me.

-As for the Elena storyline, the show is turning into 'Law and Order' or what? :P

I thought the 'oh there's no light on, it's probably nothing' reaction from Matt and Elena was pretty stupid too, of course there was something wrong especially with a killer on the loose lately. I love the choices Elena has to make lately. The only shocker moment of this episode for me was when she literally killed Alaric. Because the ring is supposed to be faulty lately right? So I was like, 'it's awful to have to do this, literally kill someone but what if Alaric actually dies because of the ring?' I was afraid for awhile there.

And I loved the scene between Elena and Caroline. So yeah for a little character insight and development.

-So the Originals. I was underwhelmed. Why?

First, because the Tatia revelation wasn't really one (at least we have a name though), it was so obvious there used to be an original love triangle so that revelation fell flat and I didn't like the baseball bats moments between Klaus and Elijah and their 'hey! bros before hoes!' conclusion then cut to Damon and Stefan looking at each other. Uh, no, you're more subtle than that usually, show.

Liked Klaus' glee at watching the current love triangle though. Heh.

Second the family reunion was, IDK, weird? I was glad to see Rebekah back obviously and I'm intrigued about the new brothers, but I found myself not being particulary shocked ('bringing out the dead' was kind of a big clue, I think) nor did I particulary care. IDK, why, it just fell flat, I can't explain it.

And then Mama Original. Again, no surprise from me. Everyone and their mother called for it from day one so... Then I found the 'I forgive you' line pretty cheesy so I seriously hope there's more to this.

I don't think the Original scenes were particularly well-written. Also I blame Joseph Morgan for my disappointment at the original scenes. Sometimes he's good and sometimes he's overacting and it was one of these cases where I just felt he was too weak as an actor to pull this off. *shrugs*

That and Klaus himself isn't particularly scary either. All he does is talk and talk and threaten to kill Stefan and he never comes across as particularly threatening. I think I'm starting to become a little fed up with Klaus, IDK.

So... didn't mean to rain on your parade! I can't help feeling this way. Usually I love everything about the Originals but not this week

-As for Damon/Elena/Stefan. Agreed on all counts.

Stefan was a douchebag but nothing new there! heh.

Damon is made of awesome, nothing new here either. ;)

I'm a little worried about Delena to be honest. I feel like there are several steps backwards. No Delena scenes this episode (I didn't mind the slight lack of interaction last episode because it made sense), and a big clue that Damon's going to step back indeed (him shutting off his phone when Elena called him was too telling) and Stefan/Elena still dancing around each other, all this doesn't please me at all...

Off to read your Damon/Elena post to get optimistic again, I hope. ;)
Arabian: Elena&Caroline01arabian on February 6th, 2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
Part 1 of 2 (you knew that was coming, right?) --

I actually loved the beginning of the episode. The Elijah/Klaus fight, the murder plot thickening, Elijah and Damon flirting in the meadow (they totally were :P and I died laughing about the note, someone on a forum actually joked about a note with Damon writing XOXO to Elijah way prior to the episode! it's uncanny), the dinner party. Everything felt great.

Agreed, especially the flirting between Damon and Elijah. Hee!

I liked the Elena and Caroline storylines much better than the Originals one. [...] There, I said it. :P

I liked the Elena/Caroline SCENES better than most of the Originals (but not the dinner party because Damon was utterly slaying me), but the Bill part didn't work for me, and we haven't seen the Matt/Elena history (except for in 3.11), we've just been told about it so I didn't feel much with them either.

Because I felt for Caroline so much there so I didn't care if Bill was an asshole, I felt Caroline's pain there and that did it for me.

A lot of people said that, but I guess I was too confuzzled by the disjointed nature of the story, my lack of caring for Bill, and that certain lines from Caroline (and Bill's sanctimonious attitude) just kept pulling me out of the scenes so the emotion wasn't able to well up. But I'm glad it worked for you. :)

I love the choices Elena has to make lately. The only shocker moment of this episode for me was when she literally killed Alaric.

I know, right?!?!? She is so awesome lately.

And I loved the scene between Elena and Caroline. So yeah for a little character insight and development.

I think I mentioned in my original post that I loved it too for the character stuff. It was lovely.

First, because the Tatia revelation wasn't really one (at least we have a name though)

See, I guess it didn't fall flat for me because I don't think it was supposed to be a revelation. Of course we all knew that, they were just laying the facts of it out there (not only her name, but what ESTHER's reaction was to it -- that was the key bit of information, I think).

I didn't like the baseball bats moments between Klaus and Elijah and their 'hey! bros before hoes!' conclusion then cut to Damon and Stefan looking at each other. Uh, no, you're more subtle than that usually, show.

I think that Septien & Meyer need a more nuanced, emotional writer to smooth their edges. This and "The Hybrid" are their outings without a third writer to make the episode soar (ala Michael Narducci in "As I Lay Dying"). I think the show has lucked out with one new writer from last season (Michael Narducci) and two newer ones this season (Rebecca Sonnenshine and Evan Bleiweiss), but there are some that aren't cutting it alas.

Second the family reunion was, IDK, weird? I was glad to see Rebekah back obviously and I'm intrigued about the new brothers, but I found myself not being particulary shocked ('bringing out the dead' was kind of a big clue, I think) nor did I particulary care. IDK, why, it just fell flat, I can't explain it.

I guess I didn't have any great expectation with them all coming out in terms of THEM, so I just found myself rolling at them all taking turns at Klaus while he stands there like a petulant child whining about it. It just cracked me up so hard. I expect we'll get to know them better over the next few episodes (with better writers, whee! Caroline Dries who introduced us to Rebekah in "The Ene of the Affair," wrote the next episode which really introduces us to Kol and Finn, so I'm hopeful).

And then Mama Original. Again, no surprise from me. Everyone and their mother called for it from day one so...

Hah, I didn't. I thought it was her at first but the fact that she was in Ghost World had me thinking that it couldn't be her, so I thought it was Tatia.
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Florenciaflorencia7 on February 5th, 2012 07:45 pm (UTC)
Your commentaries are much better than the show because they never disappoint! :]

I feel the same way about Matt/Elena. I loved their bridge scene but the latest one was kind of forced. I was also a bit surprised Elena asked Matt to stay with her immediately after she told him that Caroline's dad died. Of course Caroline was home with her mom but still, I expected Elena to at least suggest that Matt should go check on Caroline.

AH You have a point with Damon's car being mentioned but - let's hope! - it's as much of a "clue" as are Elena's fingerprints (I'm definitely hoping the mystery killer is Tatia ^^ Or at least Katherine).

I didn't think about it that way before but you are right, Bill was such a poor choice for showing us that a human can choose death over becoming a vampire.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! They are so wonderful to read :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on February 6th, 2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
Your commentaries are much better than the show because they never disappoint! :]

Aww! You're so sweet!!! :D :D

I feel the same way about Matt/Elena. I loved their bridge scene but the latest one was kind of forced.

It really was. It relied on us KNOWING their history and feeling for it, but prior to that bridge scene we've only been told about their history, not shown it, so it just felt kinda off.

I was also a bit surprised Elena asked Matt to stay with her immediately after she told him that Caroline's dad died. Of course Caroline was home with her mom but still, I expected Elena to at least suggest that Matt should go check on Caroline.

Yeah, that was probably my biggest WTF?! moment of the episode. Not the non-questioning of the lights off (probably because Elena was feeling "more human" with Matt and Matt made that perfectly human assumption so she went with it), but Elena asking him to stay with her. Just felt ... off.

AH You have a point with Damon's car being mentioned but - let's hope! - it's as much of a "clue" as are Elena's fingerprints (I'm definitely hoping the mystery killer is Tatia ^^ Or at least Katherine).

I can't see it being Katherine, maybe Tatia. I just know I am so stumped!

I didn't think about it that way before but you are right, Bill was such a poor choice for showing us that a human can choose death over becoming a vampire.

That was SUCH a powerful choice to make ... and that power was robbed because it came from a santimonious ass we don't know that well, and what we know of him, we pretty much don't like. Had it been (GASP! NEVER!) Liz, I would have been BALLING, not that I would want it to be her, but you know what I mean?

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! They are so wonderful to read :)

Thank you for responding and letting me know. :)
Heather-Annlinsell_farm on February 5th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
Damon/Elijah definitely had my slasher sense going. All of their interactions had that flirty vibe on both their parts and especially at the dinner. Elijah's proximity when he says, "It's best to indulge him.", his reaction to Damon winking at him, and his generally wanting to be close to Damon all suggest to me that there are undisclosed feeling lurking beneath the surface. I have to say that I do not approve of Elijah's new haircut. I much prefer his old style. Still, it's wonderful to have my bb Elijah back in all of his glory. I am mesmerized by him every time he is onscreen. <3
I loved the whole Original family facedown. I certainly did not guess that it was Esther in the sealed coffin. One little thing that seemed off to me was Rebekah's completely undamaged dress. Did she run out an get that same dress after Elijah undaggered her? Perhaps she had a spare at the Boarding House just to be sure nothing went amiss for Homecoming?
WORD to everything you said about Stefan. He is just the world's biggest, selfish, petty idiot.
I started to feel a little for the Bonnie/Abby situation in this episode but not much.
While I loved Caroline in all of her scenes, I wasn't upset much by Bill's death because I just wasn't invested in him. I felt more upset for Caroline's loss. Marguerite was lovely in that scene, as well, as she quietly watched her daughter lose her dad.
I got the life-long friendship vibe from Matt/Elena, but had the romantic vibe from Matt/Caroline.

Overall, I loved this episode.
Arabian: Damon05arabian on February 7th, 2012 12:02 am (UTC)
Damon/Elijah definitely had my slasher sense going. All of their interactions had that flirty vibe on both their parts and especially at the dinner. Elijah's proximity when he says, "It's best to indulge him.", his reaction to Damon winking at him, and his generally wanting to be close to Damon all suggest to me that there are undisclosed feeling lurking beneath the surface.

I am so not a slasher, but, yeah, I was definitely feeling it, LOL!

I have to say that I do not approve of Elijah's new haircut. I much prefer his old style.

Ah, I was one of the few who wasn't in love with his hair before, so I'm really liking this cut.

Still, it's wonderful to have my bb Elijah back in all of his glory. I am mesmerized by him every time he is onscreen. <3

Yeah, but Daniel Gillies needs to stop spouting this "Elijah's in love with Elena" crap because it's so not what we're seeing on screen and Elijah just comes across as so much older than Elena, I find it kinda gross. If he wants to work with Nina so much (which, I can't blame him), go with Elijah and Katherine. The story is actually there, and Katherine feels more his age.


But, yes, of course, I still love him, I just need Daniel to sit down and shut up for a bit. :)

I loved the whole Original family facedown.

I know! So awesome!

I certainly did not guess that it was Esther in the sealed coffin.

I think we're the only ones, LOL! I thought it couldn't be her because we knew she was in ghost world. :shrugs:

One little thing that seemed off to me was Rebekah's completely undamaged dress. Did she run out an get that same dress after Elijah undaggered her? Perhaps she had a spare at the Boarding House just to be sure nothing went amiss for Homecoming?

I think I'm the only one who didn't notice that, hah! I just don't pay attention to stuff like that, hee.

WORD to everything you said about Stefan. He is just the world's biggest, selfish, petty idiot.

Yup!

I started to feel a little for the Bonnie/Abby situation in this episode but not much.

Yeah, because Bonnie was AWESOME-SAUCE!

While I loved Caroline in all of her scenes, I wasn't upset much by Bill's death because I just wasn't invested in him. I felt more upset for Caroline's loss. Marguerite was lovely in that scene, as well, as she quietly watched her daughter lose her dad.

Agreed, so very much agreed.

I got the life-long friendship vibe from Matt/Elena, but had the romantic vibe from Matt/Caroline.

I did get that vibe from Matt/Caroline, but then after finding out that Bill died, they had Elena ask Matt to stay with her as opposed to going to Caroline. And I the friendship vibe with M/E just felt forced to me because we've been told, never shown. But I'm glad it worked for you. :)

Overall, I loved this episode.

I'm glad you did; I wish it had for me, but hey, a rewatch may fix that. :)
jamdouradojamdourado on February 7th, 2012 04:01 am (UTC)
I love your view about Stefan, I get so mad at him. The guy made sure to show Elena how much he didn't care about her and suddenly he feels hurt for Elena's suspicion, and that's only because the Damon/Elena kiss. At least Damon took responsibility for his actions.

This episode wasn't very good, unfortunately I saw a lot of spoilers, I watched knowing what would happen so I lost all the surprise on it. I loved Elijah, and Damon/Elijah scenes (better than Klaus/Stefan IMO), I always had a thing for these two since season 2.

I liked the Matt/Elena scenes, I guess the writers chose Matt because he was there when her parents died, he saw her pain when her parents died, he knew how she felt but I hope that doesn't mean that they will start something romantic, Elena already has too much feelings with the Salvatore's no need to add Matt (again).

I thing those murders happening have more importance than we think, the only thing we know is that the person seems to be human, have some revenge against the Council and wants to blame Elena.

Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on February 7th, 2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
I love your view about Stefan, I get so mad at him. The guy made sure to show Elena how much he didn't care about her and suddenly he feels hurt for Elena's suspicion, and that's only because the Damon/Elena kiss. At least Damon took responsibility for his actions.

Yeah, Stefan is just pretty much being a jerky boy right now. Oh, Stefan.

This episode wasn't very good

Well, I thought it was good overall, great actually, I just didn't think it was OMG!Awesome!

unfortunately I saw a lot of spoilers, I watched knowing what would happen so I lost all the surprise on it.

What was interesting for me is that the surprises really didn't much affect me. Hmm...

I loved Elijah, and Damon/Elijah scenes (better than Klaus/Stefan IMO), I always had a thing for these two since season 2.

They are fantastic together, but of course you get two actors like Ian Somerhalder and Daniel Gillies together, it's going to be amazing!

I liked the Matt/Elena scenes, I guess the writers chose Matt because he was there when her parents died, he saw her pain when her parents died, he knew how she felt but I hope that doesn't mean that they will start something romantic, Elena already has too much feelings with the Salvatore's no need to add Matt (again).

Agreed all around, but I just didn't feel the connection because we've been told about it, but not shown it. Oh well. :shrugs:

I thing those murders happening have more importance than we think, the only thing we know is that the person seems to be human, have some revenge against the Council and wants to blame Elena.

Yup, it's interesting you bring that up because I don't think I've read anyone else flat-out say they are trying to set up Elena, because clearly, they are. Hmm...........