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04 November 2011 @ 03:43 am
3.08 - 'Ordinary People' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Another Thursday and it's time for the one, the only The Vampire Diaries. And the crowd goes wild!!! So, yeah, I haz thoughts!

OH! MY! GOD! OH! MY! HEART! For reals, ya'll. FOR REALS! Phew. Okay, deep breath. Breaking this down into four sections, with Damon making an appearance in three of the four. What can I say? I do not hide my fangirl love for the delectable Mr. Salvatore. :) Alrighty, then, on we go ...

The Originals

Like "Klaus" was really Elijah's story, this episode was really Rebekah's. We got to see a lot more of who Rebekah is as not seen through the filter of Klaus (through the flashbacks) or in snippets here and there or in moments of anger. She's not one of the "bad" vampires. We've actually never seen her kill beyond her hunger out of control way back (in these older flashbacks and the 20's flashback after being daggered for 90 years), and while she's fed on humans, we haven't see her do so cruelly. She threatens, but she's not as bad as Damon in his bad phases, not nearly as bad as Isobel, and nowhere near Ripper!Stefan or Klaus-like. She's a young woman who wants to enjoy and experience life.

And in this episode, we really got to see that as well as more depth to her; we got to really know the girl. It is as Elena said: Rebekah is a girl who lost her mother too young and has been a bit lost ever since. I liked that Elena saw that, reached out as Elena always does and used compassion and understanding -- because, if any female of this group understands loss, and especially losing a mother too young, it's Elena -- to reach out and bring Rebekah into the fold. Others would use browbeating, threats, blackmail, promises of revenge, etc., not Elena. She uses her heart. (I love her!) Although, I was quite happy to see that even she has her limits.

As Rebekah fell down crying, I immediately thought, 'Oh, Rebekah! She needs a hug!' Then the camera went to Elena and I had a split-second of hoping she would hug her and then reality asserted itself and thought, 'Please, no, Elena! Keep your distance!' Empathy in place or not, Rebekah still is an Original vampire who has a temper, and Elena is not high on her list of favorite people ever. So, I'm glad that Elena did not go full-tilt into empathy mode and try and hug Rebekah, but I loved that we could see that empathy. I simply love how we continue to see that it's not just Damon that Elena (sometimes, okay, pretty durn often, stupidly) is empathetic towards, but she's that way with all of those around her, even those you think wouldn't deserve it. Anyone who doesn't see that, just isn't paying attention.

But back to Rebekah. Just as "Klaus" redeemed Elijah and, in a way, re-invented our impression of him to a much more favorable, less villainess light, this did so for Rebekah. And like "Klaus," it added a new level of tortured evil to Klaus. I was sad when Rebekah revealed that their father killed their mother; it was a moment that garnered an automatic reaction from me. And then I was shocked when Elena revealed to Rebekah that Klaus had lied. It was *he* who had killed their mother. Oh boy. (But kudos to Elena for figuring it out! You go, girl!) And all of that makes a lot of sense with regards to Rebekah's whole thought process about Mikael. Of course she would believe the absolute worst of him if he killed her mother, ripping her heart out. Klaus managed to bind her loyalty to him in a way that was designed to keep the truth from her by wanting her to keep away from the only one who could tell her the truth.

As for the flashbacks overall. Well, I admit ... I was a bit underwhelmed, but there were two moments I did really feel for: The burning of the tree was the first. Just having them stand there watching their only way of destruction being destroyed before them was powerful. Also, when Elijah joined Klaus and Rebekah at their mother's grave and the three took hands. And, of course, notably, Klaus was the last one to connect the circle, taking Elijah's hand at the last. Also, alongside those two moments, I actually found the reason and creation of vampirism pretty darn cool!

Thinking on it, I think that my lack of ooh!aah! overall re: the flashbacks was partially because I expected a different language to be spoken in these. I know that since they had Nina Dobrev and her ability to speak Bulgarian to play with in the Katherine flashbacks, but because of having a different language spoken in those older flashbacks, I expected that here as well. After all, I got the impression they came from Europe, one of the Scandinavian lands, and the writing in the caves was Viking-related, so, yeah. That was part of it. But again, overall, the whole scope of them did work because of the tree-burning and the siblings, and the vampire creation, as well as the reveals about Esther all-around (what she was, how she died).

A few other quick Originals-related thoughts --

- So, yet another comment from Rebekah that she is just waiting for Stefan to treat her better before things happen with them again. I like!

- Yeah, so everyone and their dog was right, Mikael was Papa Original. I didn't mind that not being that surprising; the show had to realize people would guess at that, but the reveal of what happened to Esther was a good shocker.

- It must be said. Klaus' wig was awful, just terrible. But, on the other hand, Elijah's was divine! Ooh, and I liked Rebekah's comment that his trait being amplified was his morality, because that truly does fit with everything we saw of Elijah. *Sigh* I just wish that we got to see more of him and his morality. Not only did we not get un-daggered Elijah (:sniffsniff: Maybe next week Rebekah will un-dagger him?! I can dream!), we just didn't get much of him at all in this first episode back with him. Oh, Elijah, I miss you so much! {{sobs}}

- So that's one mystery solved. Why didn't the Original witch just kill Klaus instead of doing the Hybrid spell, and also making the ingredient that keeps more Hybrids from being spawned being about killing the doppelganger and not Klaus in any way? Because the Original witch was Klaus' mother. Even if she had repudiated him, and suppressed the werewolf gene, she couldn't kill him; she couldn't kill her child.

The Brothers Salvatore

So could I possibly love Stefan and Damon anymore? Well, yeah, probably when they both stop denying their deep, great, true love for one another and hug it out like this beautiful moment!

     

It will come, it will totally, totally come and this episode was such an ode to that. I have long said that for Stefan it is Damon >>>>> Everyone Else in the History of Ever, and boy, oh, glorious boy did we get that tonight. Not only did we actually SEE Stefan figure out a loophole to Klaus' compulsion to save Damon's life, thus showing very clearly that as much as he loves Elena, his love for her was not strong enough to overcome the compulsion, but for Damon? He'll figure some way around it. And we had vocal evidence of this as well with Mikael asking Stefan which trick question would get him to betray Klaus? And it, of course, was saving Damon's life. And if it still wasn't clear enough, the writers actually put the words in Elena's mouth. THEY ACTUALLY HAD HER SAY THE WORDS! Stefan's love for Elena would not save him; it would be Stefan's love for Damon that would. My heart, which at that point had been in squee overload from the utter beauty and GAH-ness of the Damon/Elena-ness of the scene thus far, took a flying leap into OH!MY!HEART!-ness over the Salvatore Brothers.

Of course, neither is ready to actually acknowledge that reality. Because they are stupid, stupid boys! Stefan unable to admit that he did what he did to save Damon, instead throwing around his freedom as reason enough (because, you know, that was never an option or a reality before, right, Stefan?). And Damon throwing responsibility and guilt at Stefan's feet as his reason for trying to help Stefan (couldn't possibly have anything to do with the love you feel for your baby brother, right, Damon?) See? Stupid, stupid boys. But they'll get there. They will, and it will be glorious when it happens.

A few other quick Damon/Stefan-related thoughts --

- First off, badboy_fangirl, distant_autumn, and myself *clearly* are getting what the writers are selling because this is what we've all been expounding on in various ways for some time now, going back even to season 02 stuffs. Ladies, take a bow! I know I'm crowing right now -- so damn happy about this! MY BOYS!

- I LOVED that Damon's reasons for saving Stefan had NOTHING to do with Elena. Sure he didn't acknowledge the number one reason (his LOVE!), but still, not one word about doing this for Elena. Take that, Damon-haters, who continue to insist that Damon is only doing all of this for Stefan to get into ELena's pants. Whatever!

- I also loved that Damon was basically all 'forget this Lexi-shit ... I ain't down for torturing my baby bro!' Hee! LOVE!

- Man, Damon hates being reminded of his humanity. He really, really does. But I get it. Because while he's come far on his journey, it still scares the hell out of him. It really does because if he opens up and allows that humanity to not be a secret, he risks the vulnerability of having put himself out there and then be rejected. He just hasn't realized that he's already doing that, and at the end of the day, the two people he's done the most for (Elena and Alaric) are not rejecting him. Oh, Damon.

- You know what I found interesting? That Damon didn't drink the human blood at all, Stefan even gestured for him to do so at one point. But Damon just went for the liquor. Interesting.

Oh! My! Heart!

Oh, Damon and Elena! *sigh* Can I just say: SQUEE!!! and leave it at that? Oh my. I just -- wow. Just oh lordy! I loved their first scene, Damon training her, him not giving her any quarter, the little insults, the complete ease and comfort they have with one another. The fact that when Damon had her pulled against him, he fake-nipped at her neck. OMG! He fake-nipped at her neck, and she just basically rolled her eyes and pushed him away like it was no big. Just, I loved that. So much! That got quite a few rewinds. But not nearly as much as the last scene ... however, I'm not going there yet. First I want to talk about the whole Elena/Stefan thing and how, yeah, I really, really, REALLY am not getting an 'I'm so in love with Stefan' vibe from Elena at all. And I don't think it's my anti-Stefan/Elena stance because I keep expecting it; I keep looking for it, waiting for the other shoe to drop. But it hasn't happened yet.

At the end of the last episode, she basically said 'your move' and she walked away. I think she's actually managed to detach herself emotionally now. It's like she was holding on to that hope so strongly that she could save him, his love for her would be enough, he could/would fight and succeed when push came to shove (or, in his case, when torture came to pass). But after last week, she gave up on that, and without that belief to hold onto, it's as if though she still wants to save him, it's not about her, or them. It's just wholly about saving him. After all, there was not one mention of Stefan that caused even a flicker, not with Rebekah, not with Damon. Even her "you don't know the real Stefan" comment to Rebekah seemed almost spoken as if by rote. Like it was just a line that she had repeated so often that the reality (or lack thereof) had lost all meaning for her. Then, of course, we had Rebekah laying it flat out for her in response: No, that's not the real Stefan, you don't know the real Stefan -- he's a vampire, a predatory creature. And Elena didn't defend the "real" Stefan, didn't argue the point with her.

Neither did she show even a hint of jealousy when Rebekah talked about her and Stefan at the cheerleading practice. And that was something that didn't even hit me as I was watching, but only later when I was jotting down my thoughts for this whole section on Stefan and Elena, but it's true. It's not like she doesn't have anything to be jealous of in this situation. Stefan, in the state he is, totally would go for another girl, including Rebekah. And the "real" Stefan or not, knowing that he was with another girl would, *should* hurt, should make her jealous. But it didn't ... at all. Again, there wasn't even a flicker. Just like there was no reaction when Damon mentioned him while lying in her bed. After, there had already been a few moments where she found her eyes drawn to Damon's lips, as she's laying in bed (of her complete own choice and volition) next to Damon, and yet when he brought up Stefan, not a flicker, nothing. In fact, she grinned at Damon's joking comment ... even though it was about Stefan's lack of humanity.

And it's not just her. I kept waiting for Damon to play the Elena card with Stefan, something, some hint, some nudge that would be an attempt to elicit some response, some sign of humanity out of him. But he didn't throughout their night out, nor did he (as mentioned above) when explaining why he was trying to save Stefan. In fact, the only time that the Elena card was played between the brothers was Stefan playing it on Damon. So, it's like there is an underlying message of emotional detachment from the Stefan/Elena epic love story that is just growing and growing with each episode. Now, I don't discount that they will find a way, but I have to say, I personally don't see how we could ever get back to the Stefan/Elena in their twu wuv state again after what has happened with Stefan, after the emotional distance that has developed between them, after the emotional bond that has much more fully developed and continues to grow with such honesty and openness between Damon and Elena (something that was always lacking with Stefan and Elena). I don't know; I don't see it, but I'm so not a fan. Okay, moving on ...

Now let's get back to that bit above. Elena voluntarily went to sleep with Damon in her bed, turned towards him as he's turned toward her. She closed her eyes to go to sleep. In bed. Next to Damon. Facing Damon. OH MY GOD! Complete trust there, folks, complete and utter trust. OH MY GOD! And just, gah!, the whole scene. How they were just so dang comfortable with each other, sharing the details of their day, the different plans they embarked upon while lying in bed next to one another, facing one another. OH MY HEART! They were like an old married couple, but an old married couple who have a strong, vibrant, happy, comfortable happy relationship still. They talked about issues -- Damon inviting her to be upset with him because he knew that he went behind her back, her choosing to let it go because of the bigger picture. Them prodding, pushing each other just enough. Them making each other smile, roll their eyes, be serious, be honest, face each other physically, emotionally, honestly. I just, I don't think it's even possible to put into words how utterly perfect EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY THING about this scene was.

Then there was the bit where she was talking about Rebekah as a girl who lost her mother too soon, who loved blindly, recklessly even if it consumed her. This was followed by the very pointed silence, then turning to look at Damon, his silent look back at her before she turned away, thinking, thinking. And it was clear to me that she was thinking about *Damon* in that moment, comparing Rebekah's situation with hers, and her blind, reckless, all-consuming love was for Damon. Yes, obviously, it's about Stefan to a degree -- after all, she's blindly, recklessly been consumed with saving Stefan this summer -- but that's been saving him, not *about* Stefan himself specifically. Yes, I'm not a Stefan/Elena fan, but I've never seen an Elena *that* into Stefan as she described. And it felt rather to me that in that moment it seemed that by turning to Damon, looking at him, holding his gaze, Elena was subconsciously transferring the actuality of that love about a person, and not a cause, to Damon. After all, that kind of love while not the healthiest as described, for a young woman (as Elena is), it does fit the idea of the passionate sort of love that she wanted with Matt, that she thought she had found with Stefan, but it never was in either case. Instead, it's there, just waiting to explode with Damon.

However, with Damon is it about so much more than passion. After this moment, her mentally comparing aspects of Rebekah with herself, Damon made that joking comment about Stefan, and her response wasn't to chide, wasn't to catch her breath, take pause at the mention of Stefan's name, but her reaction was to genuinely smile. And then she sought to reassure Damon that Stefan's love for him would save his brother. It wasn't about making her feel better, it wasn't about saving Stefan. It was about Damon, and that Stefan loved him, and that Stefan's love for his brother would save him. It was as if not only had she subconsciously transferred the passion of her feelings to Damon, but she'd also relinquished her hold as the one to save Stefan. Both belong to Damon now.

ETA: What I find interesting about this line of Elena's is that I've been reading TONS of different interpretations. I saw a bit of Elena's love for Stefan, but mostly how she's falling into that passionate type of love with Damon. Others saw that it was just about her feelings for Damon. Some said it was all about Stefan. Then others said it was about Elena recognizing that she was describing Damon himself. Others just saw the main comparison to Rebekah, and Rebekah/Klaus. Very interesting how open to interpretation that line was.

Yes, yes, I know that it's way more complicated and there is very little actual realization of this on Elena's end, and there is more Stefan/Elena stuff to go through, but I think this is where we very well could be headed. I think that this scene was a possible road map of where we are going. And if this scene is any indication, oh, boy! What we're going to get with Damon and Elena to come is going to be just GLORIOUS! Seriously, my heart! Watching this scene, I was about to explode. Just so beautiful. So right. So very, very right.

A few other quick Damon/Elena-related thoughts --

- Hee! Damon, not moving at all, just continuing his musing while Elena ineffectually pulled at the comforter. I especially loved when she pulled completely, her whole body behind it and nothing. Hah!

- Aww, teddy was laying next to Damon.

- I didn't realize this the first time I watched it, but when Elena walks in the room, you can see Damon in her mirror. I just liked that.

- I wanted an icon from this episode, but couldn't really get a screen capture I loved to make the best icon, so this will have to do before I'm able to go through the full batch of screencaps out there. Then I'll replace this, but for now, yeah, I had to have something!

- Can I mention again the pure awesome that was Elena VOLUNTARILY going to sleep with Damon in her bed whilst facing him as she did so?!?!?!?

     

AAAHHHH!!!! And you know what was REALLY interesting about this? Julie Plec and Caroline Dries wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit" -- the episode that took a bunch of early Stefan/Elena sweet moments and deconstructed them, twisting them into something negative. I couldn't help but think of the moment in "Friday Night Bites" when Damon watched Elena sleep, that, despite the sign of humanity still there, was creepy. Well, this is like the opposite of what was done with the Stefan/Elena moments. Here, a negative moment became something sweet and full of trust. *sigh*

Random Stuffies

- I don't know why, but I got such a kick out of the fast-paced song playing over Alaric taking the pictures of the wall. I kinda wanted it to go on longer.

- So, yeah, they're still leaving us hanging re: Katherine, huh?

- Wow, I just realized while jotting down my notes that there was no Caroline. And towards the end of actually writing this, no Jeremy, Tyler or Matt either. You know it's a good episode, when you forget lack of Caroline!

- That was such a lovely character moment between Alaric and Bonnie. Him acknowledging that it was crappy what Jeremy did, but reminding Bonnie that he's a stupid kid who can and will learn, and Ric speaks from experience. And Bonnie just having that older adult figure tell her the right thing was just awesome.

- So, Ric can read Norse writing? Okay, then.

- Finally, THE most important aspect of The Vampire Diaries: I do officially think that Damon's hair has finally been cut properly. (The dye job remains as craptastically fake as ever, but I'll take it.)

Phew! So I may be forgetting stuff. I just know that this was once again a winner. I so adored the Damon/Stefan stuff. Claire Holt is magnificent as Rebekah and I love her so. I got my bb, Elijah, back even if I didn't get him back enough or in the present. (Wah!) And I got such utter perfection with Damon and Elena that I'm still a bit verklempt.

Oh, Julie Plec! Oh, Caroline Dries! Oh, my heart!
 
 
 
Silvia Kundera: TVD-Katherine-mouthsilviakundera on November 4th, 2011 09:13 am (UTC)
You know what I found interesting? That Damon didn't drink the human blood at all, Stefan even gestured for him to do so at one point. But Damon just went for the liquor. Interesting.

I found that to be a nice understated sign that Damon's lifestyle is not ripper!Stefan's lifestyle. Damon can restrain himself and doesn't NEED it. I think that as annoying as Damon finds it (and has never enjoyed "ripper douche" Stefan), on one level he enjoys the feeling of being the stablized one while Stefan can't walk the middle line. I think Damon enjoyed knowing he could dance on the bar and just drink the liquor, while Stefan needed to be pulled off draining the bartender in public because Stefan can't stop himself.

I LOVED that Damon's reasons for saving Stefan had NOTHING to do with Elena. Sure he didn't acknowledge the number one reason (his LOVE!), but still, not one word about doing this for Elena.
yes! I loved this too. And at least he does add in that it wasn't just about owing it to Stefan. "Because I have to, Stefan. Because you're in this mess with Klaus because you saved my life. Because I owe you. And--I can't just leave you in a cell to rot." Damon's moved forward enough to be a little more honest. BUT STILL SO FAR TO GO. WHY ARE YOU BOYS SO VERY STUPID. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

- Aww, teddy was laying next to Damon.
I loved that little detail so much! It's so perfect, because since Miss Mystic Falls that's always what I associate with Damon in Elena's bed.

Also, it lends this nice quasi-innocence vibe to the moment. Which is also something I really liked -- how much of the scene was about comfort and trust and not overly sexualized. We've gotten the sexualized moments with Damon/Elena, like the training in Smells Like Teen Spirit. What I felt like we needed was more of this stuff, reminding the audience how much comfortable Elena really is with Damon in her life now (like that moment of drinking from his glass in 3x1).

Sitting obnoxiously on your bed so you can't move your covers? Totally something one of my friends would do to me. Damon's being purposely annoying in that moment-- he's feeling hopeful and that's made him playful. Elena and Damon have this relationship where they make faces at each other and feel free to critize & snark at each other. So Elena's basically like, "ugh! Damon" and tugging at her covers, but she's not actually angry with him in the slightest and she decides to climb into bed with him and have the conversation he came over for -- when she could have chosen instead to stay awake, keep standing, have the conversation, and then order Damon to go home ("I mean it Damon! I want to talk about this in the morning!" -- I can even picture her face she'd make.) And Damon looked surprised! I totally think he was not expecting that result. AND I LOVED IT.
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on November 4th, 2011 11:10 pm (UTC)
I found that to be a nice understated sign that Damon's lifestyle is not ripper!Stefan's lifestyle. Damon can restrain himself and doesn't NEED it.

Right, for Damon it really is a choice and he can control himself easily. And I loved what he said to Stefan, he isn't retracting his desire to not have boring Stefan around, but rather he wants to see a Stefan who can keep from falling over the edge.

Damon's moved forward enough to be a little more honest. BUT STILL SO FAR TO GO.

But that is a very valid point. He added that bit, that honesty that bespoke of nothing other than his love for Stefan. Awww. He *is* getting there.

Re: Teddy. I didn't even think of that, but you're right, it did add a note of innocence there. Ie, as passionate and chemical as they can be, there is still genuine, honest-to-goodness comfort and feelings between them that have nothing to do with lust and hormones.

I guess I didn't feel it was missing because I have seen this side of them in other scenes (the majority of the necklace scene in 3.01, the 'are you okay?'/conversation in Stefan's apartment in 3.03, the playful snarking over the chilli in 3.04, Damon getting her from the hospital and her reaction when she saw him there, easily turning to him in 3.05, their final scene in 3.06 -- which, yes, hinted at romantic feelings, but they weren't sexual, they were *romantic*.)
x5valex5vale on November 4th, 2011 11:15 am (UTC)
My fangirl heart is super happy today. I was not expecting such a ìn intense episode.

I think I am in love with The Original brothers and my brotherly love melted with the whole Damon/Stefan arc.

I loved to see Damon trying hard to break through his brother and do it because it's all about Stefan and not about Elena who loves Stefan. I also loved to see that stefan's love for Damon is stronger than everything else. No matter what he said, that's a fact.

I also loved that Elena finally realized it and how vulnerable Damon looked when she told him that it's because of his love for Damon that Stefan is going to be saved. As if Damon still thinks he doesn't deserve it, as if he still thinks none loves him.
Arabian: Deanarabian on November 4th, 2011 11:13 pm (UTC)
I loved to see Damon trying hard to break through his brother and do it because it's all about Stefan and not about Elena who loves Stefan. I also loved to see that stefan's love for Damon is stronger than everything else. No matter what he said, that's a fact.

Yup. I wonder if any of the delusional S/E-ers out there (and yes, I do call anyone who didn't get this after 2.22 delusional) will try and swing this one? I mean, they had Elena flat-out say it! And I loved it!

I also loved that Elena finally realized it and how vulnerable Damon looked when she told him that it's because of his love for Damon that Stefan is going to be saved. As if Damon still thinks he doesn't deserve it, as if he still thinks none loves him.

Aww, too true. I agree that Damon doesn't quite get how much Stefan loves him. I love that it was Elena telling him so. :)
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Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on November 4th, 2011 11:36 am (UTC)
I think I may become Bipolar one of these days!
I had to just pinch myself over and over to remind myself that things that you wrote, actually happened in this episode. I feel like I died or somehow I reached in this another dimension where everything is perfect!!

Firstly Damon and Stefan:

Take that! Klaus. That's what it looks and feels like when 2 brothers are having fun, have each other's back and feeding/partying etc. No matter what you do, YOU CAN NEVER EVER COMPARE BETWEEN THE BOND THAT MY LOVELY LOVELY SALVATORE'S SHARE....So Booo!!

Whew! Felt a lot better.

Oh man, I felt like happy jumping today. And you're right, in numerous places I felt like throwing them at each other or just doing a spell on them so they can forget everything and just HUG IT OUT!!! Especially when Damon reaches behind Stefan's chair in rehab and says "How are you doing Stef!!"

eeeep!!

The looks on both the brother's faces. My Oh My.... Did that actually happen, or did I dream it all...how is it possible to have most of my wishes fulfilled in just 1 episode?

I agree with the fact that Damon saving Stefan was nothing about Elena.

Man, it has got to be the fact that these actors are SOOO DAMMNNN GOOD at what they do, that you can possibly point out and identify WHEN they are faking something, and WHEN they actually mean something. Either this or all of us fans have got really really good, like the senses of a Bloodhound good at picking up expressions and reading emotions on the faces of these actors.
Because yous could SEE that Stefan saved Damon because HE LOVES HIS BROTHER, not for the damn stupid freedom reason. And Damon is fighting to save his brother because HE LOVES HIS BABY BROTHER and definitely NOT because he OWES him, or he wants to save his house. Men, they can be soo bull-brained at times.

Elijah:

He looked good. Like really good. His arms!..... I was fixated on those for quite some time. I couldn't look anywhere else. Heeee :P :D

Klaus:

Somebody please wash his hair and give him a book on hairstyling 101. Please.

Rebekah:

This girl, she stole my heart today. Both human and early vampire Rebekah and the girl who just lost her mother, to the girl who JUST found out that all she knew about her mother's death was absolutely wrong and she has being cheated for about 1000 years by the brother whom she loved and sworn to be together forever. When she was crying, I thought Elena was going to give her a hug (like you mentioned.) But it's good that she didn't. Would have been a little too much and plus Rebekah is vulnerable and temperamental, any thing could have happened to Elena.

Katherine:

Since last episode this has been nagging my mind when Mason said something about failing to find Mikael. And no mention of Kat, and today as well, we see no Kat. Is she...no no no...no no no...no right? no... She can't possibly be be dead, not so unceremoniously. And she can't die? No.... I think Mikael is hiding her somewhere, or she's just taking a beat. Planning her next move. Waiting to make a grand entrance like the one she made in "Founder's Day".

Alaric:

The fast paced music during the photo shots, I dunno why I loved it. And the fighting lessons of D/E while Alaric is looking at the photos, Damon being a dick plus naughty. The fake Nip OH GOD!!! I rewound it atleast 5-6 times. And Elena just rolled her eyes and shrugged it off, and everything was happening while Alaric was right there in the room, everything had such a normal vibe to it. Felt like it was just another day in the lives of Gilbert-Salvatore-Saltzman trio, everything was as simple as friends having breakfast or brunch. And here I was, exploding in my chair, because of all the awesomeness and the heat between D/E.

I loved how cool Alaric was with Bonnie. he knew she was hurting and he also knows that she's too mature or conserved or like Kat Graham mentioned, Bonnie's too classy for any kinda outburst over this matter with Jeremy. So Alaric lightly tread over this subject and tried to help her as simple as he can. SO sweet!

Arabian: Damon & Elena15arabian on November 4th, 2011 11:25 pm (UTC)
Re: I think I may become Bipolar one of these days!
Man, it has got to be the fact that these actors are SOOO DAMMNNN GOOD at what they do, that you can possibly point out and identify WHEN they are faking something, and WHEN they actually mean something. Either this or all of us fans have got really really good, like the senses of a Bloodhound good at picking up expressions and reading emotions on the faces of these actors. Because you could SEE that Stefan saved Damon because HE LOVES HIS BROTHER, not for the damn stupid freedom reason. And Damon is fighting to save his brother because HE LOVES HIS BABY BROTHER and definitely NOT because he OWES him, or he wants to save his house.

Well, I don't know that I'd say it's just because these actors are so good because really any actor with a modicum of talent would be able to sell this. I'm giving this one to the writers (Julie Plec and Caroline Dries); they get the praise from me this week. The actors were great (as usual), but it really was the writing that sold this episode so highly for me.

This girl, she stole my heart today. Both human and early vampire Rebekah and the girl who just lost her mother, to the girl who JUST found out that all she knew about her mother's death was absolutely wrong and she has being cheated for about 1000 years by the brother whom she loved and sworn to be together forever.

I just love Rebekah so much and I love how we are getting so dimension to her.

Since last episode this has been nagging my mind when Mason said something about failing to find Mikael. And no mention of Kat, and today as well, we see no Kat. Is she...no no no...no no no...no right? no... She can't possibly be be dead, not so unceremoniously. And she can't die? No.... I think Mikael is hiding her somewhere, or she's just taking a beat. Planning her next move. Waiting to make a grand entrance like the one she made in "Founder's Day".

I'm wondering, because they are REALLY keeping it hanging. Even Damon made the casual comment that Katherine must have gotten to Mikael somehow.

I loved how cool Alaric was with Bonnie. he knew she was hurting and he also knows that she's too mature or conserved or like Kat Graham mentioned, Bonnie's too classy for any kinda outburst over this matter with Jeremy. So Alaric lightly tread over this subject and tried to help her as simple as he can. SO sweet!

Yeah, I just really adored that little scene. It's the character moments that make this show so good.
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on November 4th, 2011 11:37 am (UTC)
Pt 2
Mikael:

I'll still say, I love his voice, it's really sexy. But honestly, the guy REALLY scares me. He's creepy to the max. He chose vampirism because of his foolish pride, he killed all his children and that too with brutality, he feeds on his own kind, he doesn't even blink twice before killing anyone. PLUS HE WAS GOING TO KILL OR AT LEAST HURT DAMON :P .... Not cool!

Everybody these days just comes up, or breezes in and shoves something through Damon's body. It's like he is literally the punching bag everyone. :(

Arabian: Damon05arabian on November 4th, 2011 11:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Pt 2
I'll still say, I love his voice, it's really sexy. But honestly, the guy REALLY scares me. He's creepy to the max. He chose vampirism because of his foolish pride, he killed all his children and that too with brutality, he feeds on his own kind, he doesn't even blink twice before killing anyone. PLUS HE WAS GOING TO KILL OR AT LEAST HURT DAMON :P .... Not cool!

I was actually quite pleased when he did that to Damon. Why? Because it's a little ridiculous how they skate by so much with so little injury. They really should be dead. Klaus really should have just killed Damon by now, and Damon's smart mouth should be getting him into trouble, so I liked that touch of "realism" that Mikael wasn't playing games. Damon better treat him with respect or he'll suffer the consequences. (That's how he learned to respect Elijah.)

Everybody these days just comes up, or breezes in and shoves something through Damon's body. It's like he is literally the punching bag everyone. :(

Well, it's TOTALLY his fault. He has a smart mouth. He insults people, he eggs them on, even those who are a LOT stronger and older than him. His cockiness, confidence and charm help him to get away with it, but he does it so much, that yeah, he's gonna keep getting creamed. So, yeah, no sympathy from Damon for me, LOL! He brings it on himself most of the time, hah!
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Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on November 4th, 2011 11:38 am (UTC)
Pt 3
Damon and Elena:

You mostly said, in a perfect note, what I felt while watching those scenes. So I won't repeat much, just that I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU.

And something I felt while watching the Damon/Elena scene that you included as a gif, is that although this scene had a "Friday Night Bite" reminder (but this one was absolutely superior in "oh-So-Many" ways) but in this one, when Damon was looking at Elena while she was falling asleep I felt like his look had a certain sense of pride. In "Friday Night Bite" it was astonishment, or a "Who are you", or an exploratory gaze. This one was filled with love, pride and admiration. Like "wow My girl (I like to think!) is soo amazing, and I'm so proud of her/ to be in love with HER", and he had every reason to think so, because:
A) Elena IS someone who you can be proud of
B) She just said out loud the ONE thing that we all felt since forever, that Damon might be the one who can save Stefan from himself. Love of family, bond between Family is the strongest.

I Loved whatever that she said. And you know what I still can't wrap my mind around how comfy they are with each other. They are sooo sooo in sync. Like they have been like this forever. Like they've been married or have been a couple since forever. Stefan/Elena never had moments like these. They never ever talked like these, so open, so calm. They behave like partners, like equals. It swells my heart with pride and joy every single time. They have the certain moments of fun (Elena pulling the comforter and Damon not even budging an inch...Damon encouraging her to rant and Elena rolling her eyes), yet at the end of hte day, the NON-EPICness (like S/E epic!) of D/E is what makes them soo real and honest and believable. If and when they officially becomes a couple, it'll NOT be a star crossed love between a vampire and a human, it will be an honest and rational relationship between a guy (who happens to be a vampire :/) and a girl.
My OTP is the best of them ALL. I honestly felt like I was dreaming when they were sharing the conversation in the bed.

I was waiting for a cliffhanger and had my finger's crossed at the hope of Elijah getting un-daggered, BUT ALAS! :( :( :/

Questions:

So if the Original Witch was Mama Original, and she was the one who cast he Hybrid curse then where does the whole Petrova thing plays in? Was Mama a Petrova?

So, what's the role of Kat and Elena's ancestor in ALL this. In Ep 5, when Klaus was talking about the Original witch and the curse and his loneliness, I felt like the witch was someone who he loved and she cursed him into this lonely situation to punish him for his sins. But then if it's his mother who did ALL this, then.... I am really confused about the connections between Elena's bloodline and the curse.
Was Elena's ancestor just a sacrificial object in the making of the curse, and Mama Original created a loophole on the means of the appearance of the doppelgangers? But why.....?
Why were the doppelgangers created in the first place? More importantly..How are the doppelgangers created? See because both Elena's and Katherine's birth is a mystery. Elena was born under circumstances that are still hazy and her birth mother turned herself into a vampire when she had this amazing loving life....WHY?

And Kat, she belonged to this mysterious time and family where after she gave birth they took her baby away AND shunned her? Did they know that Kat was a doppelganger and took away the baby as a means of safe keeping, in order to keep the bloodline running? So many questions...... Anyway I just felt like asking them, you're usually very good to talk about these things, you don't have to really answer them, if you don't want to.

Anyway, another best episode ever!! Love You Julie Plec (Yes you were right, the last scene was indeed the most favorite scene of all, and NOT JUST because it was filled with D/E love and awesomeness, mostly because it was about the strength of the "bond between family" and because of the reinforcement of the fact that nothing can come between My Salvatore Brother's :D ) and Love You Caroline Dries!
Arabian: Damon & Elena16arabian on November 4th, 2011 11:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Pt 3
I don't know, I didn't get the whole pride thing. I think more than anything it was a touch of surprise that she wasn't telling him to leave, and him thinking about what she had said about Stefan. He had a look of consideration for those two things to me. (Not to say that Elena isn't awesome, and such a look wouldn't make sense, I just didn't see it there.)
Damon and Elena:

My OTP is the best of them ALL.

True fact.

I was waiting for a cliffhanger and had my finger's crossed at the hope of Elijah getting un-daggered, BUT ALAS! :( :( :/

Yeah, that would have been cool, but ending the episode on that beautiful final Damon/Elena scene was good enough for me! :) Maybe next week.

So if the Original Witch was Mama Original, and she was the one who cast he Hybrid curse then where does the whole Petrova thing plays in? Was Mama a Petrova?

I dunno. I am very curious too. What is going on, and what does the Petrova ancestor have to do with all of this. Hmm....

FYI: This is one of our questions in the post-episode discussion post on tvdbloodstream, so you've got a leg up in responding already!

Anyway I just felt like asking them, you're usually very good to talk about these things, you don't have to really answer them, if you don't want to.

Honestly, I really have no clue. But like I said, maybe some good ideas will pop up in the discussion post! :)
Vickie: Ian - Brothers Salvatore Hugsarcasticcheese on November 4th, 2011 01:09 pm (UTC)
MY OTP. ♥ While I ship Damon & Elena, the Brothers Salvatore will always be my favorite couple on the show. I love them so. And what a great episode for them.

The Damon/Elena stuff was great! The fake bite to the neck, her crawling into bed with him still there, and them on their sides facing each other, talking. And then her going to sleep with him. Be still my beating heart.

My only complaint with this episode?

NEEDS MOAR ELIJAH

Sweet jeebus he looked good with the long hair. And sleeveless.

Edited at 2011-11-04 01:10 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elijah02arabian on November 4th, 2011 11:30 pm (UTC)
The Damon/Stefan stuff in this episode (prior to the final scene) was more than I could ever have dreamed of, hoped for in one whole episode. And then to have Elena flat-out lay it out there for no one to deny (ie, delusional S/E-ers who didn't believe that 2.22 showed that it's Damon or bust for Stefan, LOL). It was just, gah, pure poetry. LOVED IT SO MUCH.

The Damon/Elena stuff was great! The fake bite to the neck, her crawling into bed with him still there, and them on their sides facing each other, talking. And then her going to sleep with him. Be still my beating heart.

All of it, yes, every single moment with them was utter perfection in this episode. Have I mentioned lately how much I love Julie Plec and Caroline Dries? May they forever write these episodes together!!!

NEEDS MOAR ELIJAH

ALWAYS! The hair and arms were DELICIOUS! But not enough.
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: DE OTPbadboy_fangirl on November 4th, 2011 06:56 pm (UTC)
I LOVED that Damon's reasons for saving Stefan had NOTHING to do with Elena. Sure he didn't acknowledge the number one reason (his LOVE!), but still, not one word about doing this for Elena. Take that, Damon-haters, who continue to insist that Damon is only doing all of this for Stefan to get into ELena's pants. Whatever!
This is somewhat UNRELATED, but since we talked about all this, I'm going to go in a different direction for a moment. A week or two back, I was on YouTube, just watching various clips of the show because I didn't want to bust out the DVDs. I found the S1 finale kiss between Damon and "Elena" and I watched it for the bajillioneth time because it's just so lovely, even though it's Katherine, not Elena, but whatever. On the particular clip I was watching, there were comment below that called Damon a tool for kissing his bro's girl after his brother had just saved him from a burning building.

I was FLABBERGASTED--I mean, obviously, my Damon-love knows no bounds, and I know yours does not either, which is why I'm even mentioning this here, but SERIOUSLY? There are actual PEOPLE watching that scene that can't tell that Damon doesn't PLAN to kiss Elena, that his heart just runs away with him and it just happens? And he's not thinking about Stefan at all, because DUH? He just came there to tell Jeremy he's SORRY (which, hey, I just realized Damon can apologize to GILBERTS, apparently, but no one else) about what he did to Vicki, and what happened to Anna, and he's having a cathartic emotional moment and it gets out of his control?

This is actually leading somewhere, I promise, in relationship to this episode, and here it is: what I love most about the Damon-Elena-Stefan triangle (YES, TRIANGLE FROM DAY ONE PEOPLE!) is that each side of the triangle is totally separate from, but always connected to the other. Damon and Elena come together repeatedly to save Stefan (in S1 as well), but their Damon-Elena connection is NOT about Stefan; what they see in each other, what draws them together is about THEM, not anyone else. By contrast, the same is obviously true of Damon and Stefan, who after hundreds of years of dysfunction, meeting Elena brings about ways for them to reconnect honestly. Their feelings for this human girl makes both of their humanity sharpen and change, allowing Stefan at one point to tell Damon the truth about why he coerced him into becoming a vampire. Even though their many outward actions show us how they feel about one another, it's those moments of emotional connection that make our hearts soar--remember when Stefan calls Damon after Klaus takes Elena? It's because he knows who to call when he's in trouble, and he knows in this situation, Damon will take care of it. And then of course, the Stefan-Elena connection: about bringing two people back to life, so that they can have the fullest existences possible: not with each other. And the last thing: that these two brothers can love the same woman without it destroying them, but instead repairing them. Oh, it's such a lovely, lovely triangle. I just couldn't love this show more!

That gif is so PRETTEH! *hearts for eyes*

Edited at 2011-11-04 06:58 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)04arabian on November 4th, 2011 11:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Damon/"Elena" s1 finale kiss comments -- I was FLABBERGASTED-- There are actual PEOPLE watching that scene that can't tell that Damon doesn't PLAN to kiss Elena, that his heart just runs away with him and it just happens? And he's not thinking about Stefan at all, because DUH? He just came there to tell Jeremy he's SORRY (which, hey, I just realized Damon can apologize to GILBERTS, apparently, but no one else) about what he did to Vicki, and what happened to Anna, and he's having a cathartic emotional moment and it gets out of his control?

Yup. The Damon haters are completely illogical. As irrational and (frankly) stupid as some of the ridiculous-OTT Damon-stans are, the Damon-haters take the cake. They literally ignore actual canon, lines of dialogue, scenes that specifically illustrate various things and twist them, sometimes into the opposite direction, to justify their Damon hate.

what I love most about the Damon-Elena-Stefan triangle (YES, TRIANGLE FROM DAY ONE PEOPLE!)

The people complaining about all this Damon/Elena stuff make me want to spork their eyes out (figuratively). DAY ONE, PEEPS! DAY ONE!

is that each side of the triangle is totally separate from, but always connected to the other.

I agree, but don't agree with this. I do agree from the Damon/Elena, and Damon/Stefan angle, but not the Stefan/Elena end. From almost the beginning, Damon has been entwined within their story. A lot of things that happen between them -- especially the big stuff wind up involving Damon somehow (like Elena giving Stefan blood, no reason for Damon to know that detail, but Stefan tells him). On the other hand, there are TONS of Damon/Elena things that Stefan knows absolutely NOTHING about, and Damon/Stefan things that Elena knowws absolutely nothing about. I'ev always thought that was really interesting. I went into more detail in some other TVD post somewhere, sometime, no clue where.

their Damon-Elena connection is NOT about Stefan; what they see in each other, what draws them together is about THEM, not anyone else. By contrast, the same is obviously true of Damon and Stefan, who after hundreds of years of dysfunction, meeting Elena brings about ways for them to reconnect honestly.

I completely agree with this. But yeah, I don't see how Stefan/Elena and the majority of major stuff with them doesn't wind up involving Damon somehow. A small example of what I mean is that Stefan was consistently jealous of any closeness with Damon and Elena, but Damon isn't jealous of Stefan and Elena. He even hand-waved away Stefan's presence as an obstacle when asked by Andie. To Damon, it's not about Stefan and Elena, the obstacle is his own issues. Whereas for Stefan, he's seen Damon as potential obstacle constantly and one he is jealous of. Ugh! I don't know if I'm explaining this well, but suffice it to say that it's another reason why I prefer and believe in more Damon/Elena over Stefan/Elena.

That gif is so PRETTEH! *hearts for eyes*

Aww, thank you! :)
The Word Mapthewordmap on November 4th, 2011 11:19 pm (UTC)
This was one of my favorite shows of the whole season so far. It was so tender with Damon/Elena and finally seeing Elena realize that their love IS NOT enough to save Stefan but the love of FAMILY is.
Arabian: musicarabian on November 4th, 2011 11:28 pm (UTC)
Heh, I'm listening to Taylor Swift right now (re: your icon).

Yeah, this was a very good episode. I don't know if I can say it's one of the best simply because there have been SO MANY strong ones this season so far (3.03, 3.05, 3.06, 3.07 was really good too!. Oh, I love that this show -- in only eight episodes in! -- already has so many phenomenal episodes of the season.

seeing Elena realize that their love IS NOT enough to save Stefan but the love of FAMILY is

*sigh* I know! :)
Bogwitchbogwitch on November 4th, 2011 11:40 pm (UTC)
I think this is my favourite episode of the season so far, but Elena should really take her make up off when going to bed or she'll be pandafied in the morning. I have some wipes she can borrow.

Edited at 2011-11-04 11:41 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elena05arabian on November 5th, 2011 12:26 am (UTC)
It was really good. I was going to mention the Elena-make-up thing (I mean, it's not like Nina Dobrev is a hag without make-up, so that's clearly not an issue), but I was so full of squee that I didn't want to complain about anything. But yeah, really bad skin care there. :(
vanimy: Damon/Stefanvanimy on November 5th, 2011 02:42 am (UTC)
I couldn't wait to read your entry about this episode (hence me still awake at 3 am writing this comment lol).

As usual, I just want to say THIS to the whole entry.

This episode was one of my favorites, I'd say up high with The End of The Affair, The Reckoning and Smells Like Teen Spirit.

The Originals. I'm really fond of Rebekah, her story was so touching in every way. I felt for that trio moment too, when they bury their mother and Elijah and Rebekah tell Klaus they won't leave him. As someone who knows all about siblings bonds being the only thing you have left, this scene really struck a chord in me.

Speaking of siblings bond (I love this show for making this so important) : Damon and Stefan.

Were there still people who actually thought Damon only cared about Stefan to get into Elena's pants?? I have to admit I was kind of despairing over the fact the writers had seemingly forgotten about their bond lately, what with Damon barely speaking to Stefan the last few episodes. But I'm so glad I was wrong and their bond finally came back to the forefront. I'm so happy we're finally going into that direction. Both are denying their feelings for each other which is so sweet in a way. I love their dysfunctional relationship to pieces.

-Damon/Elena. Like you I loved loved this scene and wasn't expecting so much. It's funny because I also felt like they were behaving like an old married couple, debriefing their day together in bed and all.

I felt differently about Elena mentioning Rebekah's consuming love. How funny, I felt like she was basically saying that her love for Stefan had been blinding her all this time because it helped her forget about losing her parents just like Rebekah went straight to Klaus to forget her loss. Mmh...

But I agree with you on the Stefan/Elena beginning of the end (I'm seeing the light after my worry over it last week lol) it's obvious Elena's feelings are dimming and there's a distance between them that will be hard to remove even if Stefan comes back (if he's supposed to come back, see Damon's advice about being on the edge and not being all or nothing all the time). And good point about the lack of jealousy about Rebekah, I didn't even notice.

I'm so dumb but I didn't even notice the Delena scene was kind of a callback to the scene in Friday Night Bites. How even more awesome.

The way Damon looks at her in your gif. *sigh*
Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on November 6th, 2011 04:35 pm (UTC)
The Originals. I'm really fond of Rebekah, her story was so touching in every way.

I really love Rebekah! And I feel like she's actually the way that Elijah can stick around once he's un-daggered. I could so see Rebekah wanting to stick around when the dust settles. This is where she lived as a human, and she just wants to live and experience life, so why not Mystic Falls? And Elijah would just be her guardian! That way I can keep both of them! :)

I felt for that trio moment too, when they bury their mother and Elijah and Rebekah tell Klaus they won't leave him. As someone who knows all about siblings bonds being the only thing you have left, this scene really struck a chord in me.

Yes, agreed. I have a sister and brother and we lost our mother and re-bonded us. Still, I couldn't get completely on board with the Klaus part knowing how awful he is.

Speaking of siblings bond (I love this show for making this so important) : Damon and Stefan.

Can I just say that I recently came upon someone who actually commented that this show's non-romantic relationships exist in never-never land? For reals. :rolls eyes:

Were there still people who actually thought Damon only cared about Stefan to get into Elena's pants??

Uh, yeah. Totally. The Damon haters-faith in his EVUL is strong!

I have to admit I was kind of despairing over the fact the writers had seemingly forgotten about their bond lately.

I never doubted it; it just made sense. Damon's already shown that he has a ridiculous amount of faith in Elena (see: him thinking that 5-minutes would be all she needed to get Stefan back on board in 3.03), so I figured that he was letting her try her thing, but seeing his baby bro tortured just wasn't sitting right with him.

But I'm so glad I was wrong and their bond finally came back to the forefront. Both are denying their feelings for each other which is so sweet in a way. I love their dysfunctional relationship to pieces.

Right, they're denying, but they are denying much less than in season 01, so we *are* making progress. :)

Damon/Elena. Like you I loved loved this scen. I also felt like they were behaving like an old married couple, debriefing their day together in bed and all.

Yup, but it felt natural and intimate, not fuddy-duddy.

I felt differently about Elena mentioning Rebekah's consuming love. I felt like she was basically saying that her love for Stefan had been blinding her all this time...

What I find interesting is I've been reading TONS of different interpretations. There's what I saw (about both), what you did (about Stefan). Others saw that it was just about her feelings for Damon. Then others said it was about Elena recognizing that she was describing Damon himself. Interesting how open to interpretation that line was.

But I agree with you on the Stefan/Elena beginning of the end, it's obvious Elena's feelings are dimming and there's a distance between them that will be hard to remove even if Stefan comes back (if he's supposed to come back, see Damon's advice about being on the edge and not being all or nothing all the time). And good point about the lack of jealousy about Rebekah, I didn't even notice.

Yeah, I didn't even notice the lack of jealousy until writing this up and thinking back on the scenes. I really do think the intention was to have Stefan and Elena at the very least try again when he's "back," but now, the organic flow of this season really makes me wonder how they even get to *that* point? I dunno.

I'm so dumb but I didn't even notice the Delena scene was kind of a callback to the scene in Friday Night Bites. How even more awesome.

I do think it was intentional, what with Julie Plec commenting that this would be the episode that was the one-year anniversary of Damon watching Elena sleep. At the time I thought it was a joke based on Elena's comment in the episode about meeting Stefan as their one-year anniversary, but now, obviously, it was a peek at what was coming. SQUEE!

The way Damon looks at her in your gif. *sigh*

Gah, I know!!

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bluesuzannebluesuzanne on November 5th, 2011 03:54 am (UTC)
I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU LOVE THIS EPISODE LIKE I DO.

I liked that Elena saw that, reached out as Elena always does and used compassion and understanding -- because, if any female of this group understands loss, and especially losing a mother too young, it's Elena -- to reach out and bring Rebekah into the fold. Others would use browbeating, threats, blackmail, promises of revenge, etc., not Elena. She uses her heart.

OMG OMG THIS THIS THIS. Elena/Rebekah is the best thing.

I simply love how we continue to see that it's not just Damon that Elena (sometimes, okay, pretty durn often, stupidly) is empathetic towards, but she's that way with all of those around her, even those you think wouldn't deserve it. Anyone who doesn't see that, just isn't paying attention.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT. My inner Elena-stan is dancing.

So that's one mystery solved. Why didn't the Original witch just kill Klaus instead of doing the Hybrid spell, and also making the ingredient that keeps more Hybrids from being spawned being about killing the doppelganger and not Klaus in any way? Because the Original witch was Klaus' mother. Even if she had repudiated him, and suppressed the werewolf gene, she couldn't kill him; she couldn't kill her child.

I JUST REALIZED THIS BECAUSE OF YOU. AND IT'S SO PERFECT.

JUST... a resounding YES to everything you say about Damon and Stefan. Esp the part about how IT'S NOT ABOUT ELENA FOR DAMON. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT ELENA FOR STEFAN EITHER. They both love her, deeply, but the love they have for each other is separate. And above and beyond.

What you say about S/E not being so much the epic love thing anymore is so what I'm getting too. Which isn't to say that she doesn't still love him, because she does, I'm sure of that. But the context of that love is changing. It's subtle, but it's there, in all the things you mentioned.

She closed her eyes to go to sleep. In bed. Next to Damon. Facing Damon. OH MY GOD! Complete trust there, folks, complete and utter trust.

THIS THIS THIS. I MEAN. CAN YOU GET MORE INTIMATE? NO YOU CANNOT.

And it was clear to me that she was thinking about *Damon* in that moment, comparing Rebekah's situation with hers, and her blind, reckless, all-consuming love was for Damon.

OMG NEW ANGLE. I didn't think about it that way, but it totally makes sense. I saw it more as Elena thinking about the way Damon loves. But you know it works on so many damn levels. Which is what makes it so brilliant.

OMG THE WRITER WAS PLEC. OF COURSE. AND DRIES CO-WROTE? ALL THE AWARDS.

I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE ALL THE REBEKAH LOVE I AM SEEING ON MY FLIST. YAY.

Loved this whole post, pretty much want to second all of it.

Arabian: Damon & Elena15arabian on November 6th, 2011 04:42 pm (UTC)
I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU LOVE THIS EPISODE LIKE I DO.

I'm so happy you do. I always love the episodes!! (Okay, well, I had issues with "Disturbing Behavior." LOL!)

Elena/Rebekah is the best thing.

I've decided that once the dust settles that Rebekah and Elena can become BFFs. Bonnie and Caroline have each other!

YOU ARE SO RIGHT. My inner Elena-stan is dancing.

Elena is awesome. Any argument to the contrary is invalid.

Why didn't the Original witch just kill Klaus instead of doing the Hybrid spell? [...] Because the Original witch was Klaus' mother. -- I JUST REALIZED THIS BECAUSE OF YOU. AND IT'S SO PERFECT.

I can't take full credit; badboy_fangirl pointed that out when we were talking.

JUST... a resounding YES to everything you say about Damon and Stefan. Esp the part about how IT'S NOT ABOUT ELENA FOR DAMON. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT ELENA FOR STEFAN EITHER. They both love her, deeply, but the love they have for each other is separate. And above and beyond.

YUP! Anyone thinking otherwise (and yes, I do believe there are still people out there believing that, I'm sure) are delusional. True fact.

What you say about S/E not being so much the epic love thing anymore is so what I'm getting too. Which isn't to say that she doesn't still love him, because she does, I'm sure of that. But the context of that love is changing. It's subtle, but it's there, in all the things you mentioned.

Exactly. It's the whole vibe that has been shifting. I really do think distant_autumn may be onto something when she says that she believes that at the end of the day Elena is going to the "good parts" version of Lexi -- ie, his true friend, there for him, supporting him, but you know, who doesn't torture him into being a good little Steffie.

THIS THIS THIS. I MEAN. CAN YOU GET MORE INTIMATE? NO YOU CANNOT.

I KNOW!!!!! It was so natural, so intimate, so GAH!!!

And it was clear to me that she was thinking about *Damon* in that moment, comparing Rebekah's situation with hers, and her blind, reckless, all-consuming love was for Damon.

OMG NEW ANGLE. I didn't think about it that way, but it totally makes sense. I saw it more as Elena thinking about the way Damon loves. But you know it works on so many damn levels. Which is what makes it so brilliant.

Yup. I've been reading TONS of different interpretations. There's what I saw (about both), what you did (about Damon loving her). Others saw that it was just about her feelings for Damon. Then others said it was about her feelings for Stefan. Interesting how open to interpretation that line was.

OMG THE WRITER WAS PLEC. OF COURSE. AND DRIES CO-WROTE? ALL THE AWARDS.

Yup. The same ones who wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit." LOVE!

I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE ALL THE REBEKAH LOVE I AM SEEING ON MY FLIST. YAY.

I've loved her from episode 01, so it's nice seeing bunches of others jumping on board.
flyingfish: elena tvdflyingfish1 on November 5th, 2011 05:56 am (UTC)
Klaus managed to bind [Rebekah's] loyalty to him in a way that was designed to keep the truth from her by wanting her to keep away from the only one who could tell her the truth.

Ooh, that's a really good observation! I wonder what she'll do when she encounters Klaus and Mikael again? I assume they'll be back in town in the next episode. How will her loyalites have shifted?

So, yet another comment from Rebekah that she is just waiting for Stefan to treat her better before things happen with them again. I like!

Me too! She's got self-respect, for sure. I admit, I'd managed to resist shipping them up until now but I think this episode has tipped me over the edge :)

The brothers!!!! OMG, their interactions made me melt into a little puddle on the floor. I love that Damon is finally stepping up and looking after his little brother again!

I LOVED that Damon's reasons for saving Stefan had NOTHING to do with Elena.

THIS!!! He's not using her as an excuse anymore, unlike in 3x01. He could have--I was expecting him to--but nope, nothing. It's all about the two of them.

Even her "you don't know the real Stefan" comment to Rebekah seemed almost spoken as if by rote.

It's really ringing false now, isn't it? The more they repeat it the less true it seems.

On the one hand, I do see Elena's point--she knew a side of Stefan that Rebekah never did. But then again, Rebakah knew a side that Elena's only learning about for the first time now. I think Elena's coming to accept that.

I personally don't see how we could ever get back to the Stefan/Elena in their twu wuv state again after what has happened with Stefan

I think there's a chance of getting it back temporarily, say in the first rush of joy of finally getting Stefan back, but I don't think it'll last very long if that happens. No matter how good they both are at pretending to be normal and fine, the cracks in their relationship will show up again sooner or later. Likely sooner.

Then there was the bit where she was talking about Rebekah as a girl who lost her mother too soon, who loved blindly, recklessly even if it consumed her. This was followed by the very pointed silence, then turning to look at Damon, his silent look back at her before she turned away, thinking, thinking. And it was clear to me that she was thinking about *Damon* in that moment

That's interesting, because I interpreted that scene quite differently. I think she was thinking about herself and her love for Stefan. Elena lost her parents too soon; she loves recklessly, in a way that isn't always good for her wellbeing; and she loves blindly, which is a word that really struck me. She doesn't really know Stefan just like Rebekah didn't really know Klaus, didn't know he was capable of killing their mother. I don't know, I can see your interpretation too, but that one word made me think that the scene was about her finally recognizing, at least a little, that her love for Stefan was blind and unhealthy for her.

I definitely don't disagree about the rest of the scene, though! :D So trusting, so comfortable, so marvellous! And then he watches her as she falls asleep, just treasuring the moment. Aww.

PS Is it okay if I friend you? I've been enjoying your posts but feeling sort of like a creepy lurker, lol.
Arabian: Elena07arabian on November 6th, 2011 04:53 pm (UTC)
Re: Klaus keeping Rebekah from Mikael -- Ooh, that's a really good observation! I wonder what she'll do when she encounters Klaus and Mikael again? I assume they'll be back in town in the next episode. How will her loyalites have shifted?

I don't know where or when, but I've read/seen some similar tactic in some book or movie I really liked that's why it struck me. Yeah, I can't wait to see what kind of interaction we'll see with them next episode! EEP!

[Rebekah]'s got self-respect, for sure. I admit, I'd managed to resist shipping them up until now but I think this episode has tipped me over the edge :)

Really, I find that interesting. 3.03 didn't make you ship them, but this episode did? How? I'm genuinely curious.

The brothers!!!! OMG, their interactions made me melt into a little puddle on the floor. I love that Damon is finally stepping up and looking after his little brother again!

*sigh*

He's not using her as an excuse anymore, unlike in 3x01.

I find it interesting that you say that because I've NEVER gotten the impression -- even in that episode -- that Damon was doing this for Elena. It's always been obvious to me that he was doing it to save Stefan, he may have been telling himself it was out of guilt, but it hasn't been about Elena. I never got that impression at all.

Re: Elena's belief that she knows the real Stefan -- It's really ringing false now, isn't it? The more they repeat it the less true it seems.

Yup. And when Rebekah told her differently, Elena wasn't upset and didn't argue the point, she just kept on going.

On the one hand, I do see Elena's point--she knew a side of Stefan that Rebekah never did.

Did she, though? She knew a "good" Stefan who was filled with self-loathing and who loved her. Other than the self-loathing, Rebekah knew that part too. Not Elena's definition of "good," but a Stefan who was good to her. I don't know, I just don't think that Elena has seen some magical, mystical side of Stefan. The "real" Stefan that she knows is just the better part of him as a whole and everyone who knows him (Damon, Lexi, Caroline, Bonnie, Alaric, Elijah, Rebekah, etc.) have seen that side of him as well. And that's it. It's just a "side" of him, Elena was believing that was ALL of him, and it wasn't. It's not that Rebekah never saw that side of Stefan, it's that Elena's never accepted (despite evidence -- even as white-washed as Stefan made it -- to the contrary) that there is more to Stefan than the good part.

I think there's a chance of getting it back temporarily, say in the first rush of joy of finally getting Stefan back, but I don't think it'll last very long if that happens.

I originally thought that was how they would play it out, but with each passing episode, I'm even wondering how that will work. And if it does, I can't see it EVER actually working at all, like it would be awkward and wrong from the start and thus would barely last a few episodes. I just don't see how they get from where she is with her whole relationship with Stefan revealed as not real, while her very real relationship with Damon is growing stronger and stronger in every way, openly and honestly, with every passing day.

That's interesting, because I interpreted that scene quite differently. I think she was thinking about herself and her love for Stefan.

What I find interesting is I've been reading TONS of different interpretations. There's what I saw (about both), what you did (about Stefan). Others saw that it was just about her feelings for Damon. Then others said it was about Elena recognizing that she was describing Damon himself. Interesting how open to interpretation that line was.

PS Is it okay if I friend you? I've been enjoying your posts but feeling sort of like a creepy lurker, lol.

Not at all. I knew I wouldn't get to this entry until later, so I friended you already. :)
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Arabian: Ben & Leslie01arabian on November 6th, 2011 01:12 am (UTC)
It should be really interesting to see what happens between her and Klaus now or if she will do anything right away.

I know! I can't wait to see their first interaction.

I wonder if she might not be the one to resurrect our bb, Elijah? That would be AWESOME.

Damon, Elena, Rebekah, Katherine, I'm cool with any of them. JUST DE-DAGGER ELIJAH ALREADY!!! (Although, yeah, I totally do think it WILL happen next episode.)

I'm pretty convinced they will find a way to turn this into a negative where Damon is concerned. Maybe not in this episode but any time when he looks at Elena in a certain way or they have one of their ~moments~, they bitch about him putting the moves on Elena after what Stefan did for him. UGH

Of course, because Damon is the EVUL. :rolls eyes:

So much more awesome than the ~twu wuv~ I was so afraid they would pull.

I had the paranoid fear, but it was based on other people worried and my bad couple luck, but really everything in canon has pointed EXACTLY to this which is why I haven't seen anyone call false. (Although, I'm sure that S/E-ers are, but frankly, I don't care. They had their two seasons in the sun. It's our turn now!)

It's so interesting that you read Elena's comment about Rebekah as her talking about her love for Damon. I read that as her comparing it to her love for Stefan and how blinded it made her.

What I find interesting is that I've been reading TONS of different interpretations. I saw a bit of Elena's love for Stefan, but mostly how she's falling into that passionate type of love with Damon. Others saw that it was just about her feelings for Damon. Some said it was all about Stefan. Then others said it was about Elena recognizing that she was describing Damon himself. Very interesting how open to interpretation that line was.
Sarpaceisthetrick on November 6th, 2011 05:43 am (UTC)
- Aww, teddy was laying next to Damon.
Good eye, bb.
Arabian: Damon06arabian on November 6th, 2011 04:43 pm (UTC)
Re: - Aww, teddy was laying next to Damon.
I admit, I didn't notice it until I was trying to make screencaps for my icon. But totally there!
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integral_love: sarainti_chan on November 6th, 2011 07:07 pm (UTC)
got to love the whole Klaus/Rebekah observation but I'm not ready to say Klaus is really all that bad. After all nearly everyone who was "evil" turned out to have some good reasons to be and really if I understood it right Mikael (yay Sebastian) wasn't exactly the most loveable father, especially not towards Nik and from what Rebekah said I gathered that at least after turning him his mum wasn't that nice either so I can't really blame him for being mad. Also whatever his reasons for killing mum I think he might not exactly keep Rebekah from Klaus so much as he keeps her for himself because everyone else has left and he has obvious problems with being alone. And about the with not killing Nik, maybe a promise to his mum or something like that? (also do you have an idea why the necklace which had hurt Rebekah as a human could be worn by her later? Because I don't think that she could if the witch dead or alive did not want her to).
Okay rambling done, hope yyou read this and can make any sense of what I'm trying to say as I'm not really sure myself :P
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on November 6th, 2011 11:45 pm (UTC)
No, I get what you're saying. I just don't disagree. I don't care how bad Mikael was as dad, we don't see Elijah or Rebekah screwed up that way (or Tyler, if we're going with werewolf aggression). If Klaus did indeed kill his mother (and I'm going with that), I'm not seeing anything redeemable about that. Sorry. :(

ICONAGE: JENNA!!! COME BACK SOMEHOW, PLEASE!!
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gidget_84gidget_84 on November 6th, 2011 07:25 pm (UTC)
Agree with everything you said, you can write and articulate everything that I feel for and think about the episodes, I seriously can't wait for your episode recaps every Thursday! :-)

All I've got is, yes please more Elijah, and can he wear something that shows those gorgeous arms more often lol. And Rebekah, girl just broke my heart, I love her.

Thanks so much for putting up that Damon/Elena GIF, I couldn't see Damon's face at all on screen, it was so dark.

From the preview for next week, it looks like Katherine is there, so we'll see
Arabian: Katherine04arabian on November 6th, 2011 11:48 pm (UTC)
I seriously can't wait for your episode recaps every Thursday! :-)

Aww, thank you. :)

All I've got is, yes please more Elijah, and can he wear something that shows those gorgeous arms more often lol. And Rebekah, girl just broke my heart, I love her.

This. And this. :)

Thanks so much for putting up that Damon/Elena GIF, I couldn't see Damon's face at all on screen, it was so dark.

I love this show like WHOAH! But I do hate how dang darkly it's lit. Arggh.

it looks like Katherine is there, so we'll see

Yeah, when the stills first came out we assumed it was Elena, but I did find it interesting she had the curly hair (since Elena hasn't curled her since "Founder's Day"), and there was that one moment in the preview where the way the character was standing/holding herself was very Katherine-esque.
Erisl_eris_l on November 10th, 2011 11:40 pm (UTC)
I love reading your episode analyses. :-) I agree with almost everything you said.

I found it interesting that Damon didn't drink from any of the girls at the bar. The show made a point to show us that Damon can have fun in a "human" way (liquor, dancing on the bar, etc), but Stefan really can't. And even now Stefan can't control his bloodlust, Damon had to pull him off the bartender.

Love love loved that final scene. I was not expecting something so positive for D/E so soon. Huuuge amount of trust shown there, nothing sexual at all, loved it!

I had a huge grin on my face when I saw Teddy. I thought the same thing as Junkyatbest, Damon easily could have shoved Teddy aside, but he didn't. There was room for them both on the bed, Damon knows that Elena likes that bear. *happy sigh* lol

On first watching, I took Elena's line about loving until it consumes you to be about Damon. (He's the one I associate with all-consuming love, what with waiting for the comet for Katherine for 150 years...) But upon second watch, I think Elena had a realization that her love for Stefan was blind, and she identified with Rebekah with losing her parents so young, etc. Elena had a really contemplative look on her face, like she really just figured something out. I hope that was her final light bulb moment, and she's out of denial-land now. That line can be taken so many ways though.
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on November 11th, 2011 12:33 am (UTC)
I love reading your episode analyses. :-) I agree with almost everything you said.

Aww, thank you.

I found it interesting that Damon didn't drink from any of the girls at the bar. The show made a point to show us that Damon can have fun in a "human" way (liquor, dancing on the bar, etc), but Stefan really can't. And even now Stefan can't control his bloodlust, Damon had to pull him off the bartender.

I agree; it really was yet another striking parallel between the two, showing that Damon is fine around humans, but Stefan not so much.

Love love loved that final scene. I was not expecting something so positive for D/E so soon. Huuuge amount of trust shown there, nothing sexual at all, loved it!

True, it was intimate without being sexual.

On first watching, I took Elena's line about loving until it consumes you to be about Damon. (He's the one I associate with all-consuming love, what with waiting for the comet for Katherine for 150 years...) But upon second watch, I think Elena had a realization that her love for Stefan was blind, and she identified with Rebekah with losing her parents so young, etc. Elena had a really contemplative look on her face, like she really just figured something out. I hope that was her final light bulb moment, and she's out of denial-land now. That line can be taken so many ways though.

I agree; I've read so many interpretations, but they all have a ring of truth to them. I plan on rewatching all 9 episodes over the hiatus, so I'm very curious to see what my reaction will be when I get to this scene again.
distant_autumn: Bonnie - Smiling by imaginary_livesdistant_autumn on November 11th, 2011 12:38 am (UTC)
Part 1
Gah, your episode reaction posts make me so happy! :D

with Damon making an appearance in three of the four.

Hee, as he should! He's just that awesome :D

Like "Klaus" was really Elijah's story, this episode was really Rebekah's.

Which I loved, and of course it does also create the interesting situation where we still haven't truly had Klaus' story.

She's not one of the "bad" vampires [...] She's a young woman who wants to enjoy and experience life.

AGREED. In the 20s she wanted to dance and fall in love, and now she wants to go to homecoming and join the cheerleading squad. I'm not suggesting she's an innocent little lamb or anything, because clearly she isn't, but nothing about what we've seen of her so far suggests she is particularly bad, especially compared to some of the others. I mean, CAROLINE has a higher onscreen body count.

It is as Elena said: Rebekah is a girl who lost her mother too young and has been a bit lost ever since.

Yup. And hopefully she's now going to finally have a chance to try and find herself, among these people who are all trying to do the same thing themselves.

I liked that Elena saw that, reached out as Elena always does and used compassion and understanding -- because, if any female of this group understands loss, and especially losing a mother too young, it's Elena -- to reach out and bring Rebekah into the fold.

Absolutely. It made such sense for Elena to be the one who was able to reach her, both because of the sheer empathy Elena is so consistently capable of, which is such a big part of who she is, and also because of the parallels that exist between them.

As Rebekah fell down crying, I immediately thought, 'Oh, Rebekah! She needs a hug!' Then the camera went to Elena and I had a split-second of hoping she would hug her and then reality asserted itself

Ha, yeah, I did the same damn thing. She looked so absolutely alone there and I really did want Elena to go to her, even though I knew there was no way it could happen.

I simply love how we continue to see that it's not just Damon that Elena (sometimes, okay, pretty durn often, stupidly) is empathetic towards, but she's that way with all of those around her, even those you think wouldn't deserve it. Anyone who doesn't see that, just isn't paying attention.

THIS. It's such a huge part of Elena's character, that when people try and say it's only Damon she does it with (whether they love or hate that idea), it just feels like such a complete misread of her character to me. She's capable of an incredible amount of compassion and time and again, she reaches out to people, whether they necessarily objectively deserve it or not. It's just who she is.

And then I was shocked when Elena revealed to Rebekah that Klaus had lied. It was *he* who had killed their mother.

I still wonder if we know the whole story there, TBH. At the moment, it's still just what Elena thinks happened and what some cave drawings imply. It might very well be the case (I can certainly believe it of Klaus) but I just retain a bit of skepticism at the moment.

The burning of the tree was the first. Just having them stand there watching their only way of destruction being destroyed before them was powerful.

It really was. And I loved that it didn't entirely work, that even burnt to the ground, what little was left of it survived to be able to do damage to them. Nature found a way. And yeah, I loved the Original siblings joining hands as well, despite (or perhaps even because of) how it eventually all turned out. I thought it was such a powerful moment.
Arabian: Bonnie01arabian on November 11th, 2011 01:23 am (UTC)
Re: Part 1
Gah, your episode reaction posts make me so happy! :D

Aww, thank you. :D

Which I loved, and of course it does also create the interesting situation where we still haven't truly had Klaus' story.

Is it bad that I'm fine with that?

In the 20s she wanted to dance and fall in love, and now she wants to go to homecoming and join the cheerleading squad. I'm not suggesting she's an innocent little lamb or anything, because clearly she isn't, but nothing about what we've seen of her so far suggests she is particularly bad, especially compared to some of the others. I mean, CAROLINE has a higher onscreen body count.

Yup, I just don't see how the show is trying to paint Rebekah as one of the bad vampires in any way. And I like!

It made such sense for Elena to be the one who was able to reach her, both because of the sheer empathy Elena is so consistently capable of, which is such a big part of who she is, and also because of the parallels that exist between them.

Exactly. And Elena totally got that; because she is teh smart!

RE: Elena should hug Rebekah (or not) -- Ha, yeah, I did the same damn thing. She looked so absolutely alone there and I really did want Elena to go to her, even though I knew there was no way it could happen.

It was just such a powerful moment and I felt so much for Rebekah there.

[Elena's empathy] It's such a huge part of Elena's character, that when people try and say it's only Damon she does it with (whether they love or hate that idea), it just feels like such a complete misread of her character to me.

Exactly.

She's capable of an incredible amount of compassion and time and again, she reaches out to people, whether they necessarily objectively deserve it or not. It's just who she is.

And she is awesome.

I still wonder if we know the whole story there, TBH. At the moment, it's still just what Elena thinks happened and what some cave drawings imply. It might very well be the case (I can certainly believe it of Klaus) but I just retain a bit of skepticism at the moment.

I'm going with it this time around. We'll see. :)
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distant_autumn: Damon by ebsolutelydistant_autumn on November 11th, 2011 12:38 am (UTC)
Part 2
Also, alongside those two moments, I actually found the reason and creation of vampirism pretty darn cool!

Me too. It being for protection was awesome. Like, of COURSE it came about through people who had already lost too many loved ones wanting to protect the ones they had left. So fitting.

So, yet another comment from Rebekah that she is just waiting for Stefan to treat her better before things happen with them again. I like!

I really, REALLY want to see them pursue it, and the fact that they keep on nodding at it, time and again, continues to make me think/hope that they will.

Klaus' wig was awful, just terrible. But, on the other hand, Elijah's was divine!

Ha, I thought they were both bad, although clearly Klaus' was the worst. I mean, it was so bad that I found myself more focused on it than on Henrik dying, during that scene. Whoops! Hee. But really, what would flashbacks be without awful hairstyles? Nothing, that's what! ;)

I liked Rebekah's comment that his trait being amplified was his morality, because that truly does fit with everything we saw of Elijah.

Ha, I was totally all suspicious of that comment!

Maybe next week Rebekah will un-dagger him?! I can dream!)

Well, FWIW I found myself wondering about that possibility too!

Because the Original witch was Klaus' mother. Even if she had repudiated him, and suppressed the werewolf gene, she couldn't kill him; she couldn't kill her child.

Yup, it ties together nicely, doesn't it? I'm so disproportionately happy that my Mama Original = Original Witch theory turned out to be right. It just seems so very fitting, in all sorts of ways.

So could I possibly love Stefan and Damon anymore? Well, yeah, probably when they both stop denying their deep, great, true love for one another and hug it out like this beautiful moment!

Can you imagine what it's going to be like when they do? I am mush just thinking about it. I love them and their relationship so much.

for Stefan it is Damon >>>>> Everyone Else in the History of Ever, and boy, oh, glorious boy did we get that tonight.

You know I am totally, totally with you on all of this and yes, it was completely beautiful and fabulous to watch it get re-confirmed in this episode. God, wasn't it wonderful?

the writers actually put the words in Elena's mouth. THEY ACTUALLY HAD HER SAY THE WORDS! Stefan's love for Elena would not save him; it would be Stefan's love for Damon that would.

I KNOW. And what were we just discussing, like, the day before this episode aired? Whether they'd have Elena realise this. AND THEN SHE DID. And my heart kind of exploded from the complete and utter wonderfulness of it all.

Of course, neither is ready to actually acknowledge that reality. Because they are stupid, stupid boys!

Totally. Them both standing their coming out with all of those alternative explanations for why they were so desperate to save each other, because they still, after over 160 years, cannot admit even to themselves that it's simply because of how much they love each other, was such a well done little moment.

But they'll get there. They will, and it will be glorious when it happens.

It really, really will. Cannot wait!

First off, [info]badboy_fangirl, [info]distant_autumn, and myself *clearly* are getting what the writers are selling because this is what we've all been expounding on in various ways for some time now, going back even to season 02 stuffs. Ladies, take a bow!

*Bows* :D But yeah, it's so very awesome to be proved right on this one, isn't it?

I LOVED that Damon's reasons for saving Stefan had NOTHING to do with Elena.

Yup, it was all about his baby brother. OF COURSE. Honestly, if people are not getting this, then they're just being wilfully obtuse, because the show really couldn't make it any clearly.

I also loved that Damon was basically all 'forget this Lexi-shit ... I ain't down for torturing my baby bro!' Hee! LOVE!

Hahaha, IKR? Two minutes alone with Stefan, seeing the effect it was having on him, and Damon was so very done with that fuckery. I love him so much.




Arabian: Damon15arabian on November 11th, 2011 01:30 am (UTC)
Re: Part 2
It being for protection was awesome. Like, of COURSE it came about through people who had already lost too many loved ones wanting to protect the ones they had left. So fitting.

Of course. This show, that's what it is all about. Family.

I really, REALLY want to see them pursue it, and the fact that they keep on nodding at it, time and again, continues to make me think/hope that they will.

I've decided that I could possibly jump from the Caroline/Stefan ship onto Stefan/Rebekah permanently (if they find a worthy-love interest for Caroline). That's how much I want this.

I thought they were both bad

WOMAN!!! Elijah's hair was DIVINE! PERFECTION!

although clearly Klaus' was the worst. I mean, it was so bad that I found myself more focused on it than on Henrik dying, during that scene. Whoops! Hee. But really, what would flashbacks be without awful hairstyles? Nothing, that's what! ;)

Yeah, Klaus' (and Mikael's), but Rebekah and Elijah looked WONDERFUL!

Elijah's morality -- I was totally all suspicious of that comment!

See, and that's one I don't see how you were. Everything but for his final actions were based on morality. Even what he did to Trevor was based on Trevor's betrayal. Elijah's Achilles heel is his love of family, but other than that, we've only seen morality. So I'm down with that.

[Original Witch/Original Mother] -- Yup, it ties together nicely, doesn't it? I'm so disproportionately happy that my Mama Original = Original Witch theory turned out to be right. It just seems so very fitting, in all sorts of ways.

You were so doggone right, weren't you? It does seem fitting though. Family, it all boils down to family.

Can you imagine what it's going to be like when they do? I am mush just thinking about it. I love them and their relationship so much.

I will squee, I will clap my hands, I might possibly tear up. SUCH JOY WILL BE HEARD IN TVD-LAND!

it was completely beautiful and fabulous to watch it get re-confirmed in this episode. God, wasn't it wonderful?

So wonderful, and I'm petty and awful because I took such pleasure in how they KEPT. DRIVING. IT. HOME. in such a way that only the truly delusional ones could read it any other way.

I KNOW. And what were we just discussing, like, the day before this episode aired? Whether they'd have Elena realise this. AND THEN SHE DID. And my heart kind of exploded from the complete and utter wonderfulness of it all.

It's all falling into place like we've been seeing and I couldn't be happier with my show.

Them both standing their coming out with all of those alternative explanations for why they were so desperate to save each other, because they still, after over 160 years, cannot admit even to themselves that it's simply because of how much they love each other, was such a well done little moment.

Yup, but they're getting there. They really, really are.

it was all about his baby brother. OF COURSE. Honestly, if people are not getting this, then they're just being wilfully obtuse, because the show really couldn't make it any clearly.

YUP!

Two minutes alone with Stefan, seeing the effect it was having on him, and Damon was so very done with that fuckery. I love him so much.

Yes, yes. I think that Lexi's lucky she's gone now because if Damon were to run into her now, even her ghost? OOOH!!!
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distant_autumn: Elena - Look by ebsolutelydistant_autumn on November 11th, 2011 12:42 am (UTC)
Part 3
it still scares the hell out of him. It really does because if he opens up and allows that humanity to not be a secret, he risks the vulnerability of having put himself out there and then be rejected. He just hasn't realized that he's already doing that, and at the end of the day, the two people he's done the most for (Elena and Alaric) are not rejecting him. Oh, Damon.

Oh Damon is right. MY HEART.

That Damon didn't drink the human blood at all, Stefan even gestured for him to do so at one point. But Damon just went for the liquor. Interesting.

Wasn't it just? I mean, he had Callie on his lap at one point, leaking from the wrist, and he still wasn't tempted. In fact, aside from those two times with Bill in 3.04, have we seen him drink blood or vamp out on any other occasion this season? Because off the top of my head, I don't think we have. Which again seems interesting.

Damon training her, him not giving her any quarter, the little insults, the complete ease and comfort they have with one another. The fact that when Damon had her pulled against him, he fake-nipped at her neck

I loved every single thing about it. It's so perfect and so them. I just adored it.

He fake-nipped at her neck, and she just basically rolled her eyes and pushed him away like it was no big.

I KNOW. There was such an incredible unconscious amount of trust evident in her reaction there. And of course Damon himself displayed not the slightest sign of being tempted by her blood.

REALLY am not getting an 'I'm so in love with Stefan' vibe from Elena

It continues to feel like there's been a bit of a shift, doesn't it?

Neither did she show even a hint of jealousy when Rebekah talked about her and Stefan at the cheerleading practice.

Yeah, and that lack of jealousy is in such strong contrast to her reaction to Damon flirting with Rebekah in 3.06. I mean, Damon only did it at her request and it instantly had such an impact on Elena. Whereas Stefan had an entire relationship with Rebekah (who remains interested in him) and yet there's no apparent jealousy from Elena. That feels incredibly telling.

And yeah, agreed on her lack of reaction to Damon bringing up Stefan when they were in bed together.

I kept waiting for Damon to play the Elena card with Stefan, something, some hint, some nudge that would be an attempt to elicit some response, some sign of humanity out of him. But he didn't

Ooh, good point! Yeah, that actually would've been an ideal moment to invoke their love and yet it didn't happen.

So, it's like there is an underlying message of emotional detachment from the Stefan/Elena epic love story that is just growing and growing with each episode.

They really have made it so very much about her need to save him, rather than romantic love, haven't they? And at the same time, they've done things like descontruct their early scenes together, made it clear that Elena doesn't know the real Stefan (or vice versa), etc.

Now, I don't discount that they will find a way, but I have to say, I personally don't see how we could ever get back to the Stefan/Elena in their twu wuv state again after what has happened with Stefan

Yeah, I think whatever happens next, what Stefan said back in 3.03 is right; it can't ever be the same again. That doesn't mean they won't try again, but it really can't ever be like it once was, for so very many reasons.

Elena voluntarily went to sleep with Damon in her bed, turned towards him as he's turned toward her. She closed her eyes to go to sleep. In bed. Next to Damon. Facing Damon. OH MY GOD! Complete trust there, folks, complete and utter trust.

God, I know. Could that have been any more telling? Or more perfect? Gah.

an old married couple who have a strong, vibrant, happy, comfortable happy relationship still. They talked about issues -- Damon inviting her to be upset with him because he knew that he went behind her back, her choosing to let it go because of the bigger picture. Them prodding, pushing each other just enough. Them making each other smile, roll their eyes, be serious, be honest, face each other physically, emotionally, honestly.

♥! Yes yes yes. All of this.
Arabian: Elena05arabian on November 11th, 2011 01:52 am (UTC)
Re: Part 3
I mean, he had Callie on his lap at one point, leaking from the wrist, and he still wasn't tempted. In fact, aside from those two times with Bill in 3.04, have we seen him drink blood or vamp out on any other occasion this season? Because off the top of my head, I don't think we have. Which again seems interesting.

I actually went to the premiere to check out Andie's neck. We don't get clear shots of it, but it really doesn't look like she has any bite marks on her neck at all. Of course, she's still wearing the scarf throughout the episode (hmm, I just realized that I didn't check her on the phone with Damon at the studio, I think she probably wasn't wearing the scarf then), but it could just be a fashion statement at this point. So, yeah, other than biting Bill, that's it.

RE: No 'I'm so in love with Stefan' vibe -- It continues to feel like there's been a bit of a shift, doesn't it?

Yeah, it really does. And taking Julie's recent interview into account, I'm still kinda getting that vibe even stronger. Plus, articles/reviews, etc. are actually starting to pick up on and point out the unhealthy aspect of the S/E relationship as opposed to the much healthier Damon/Elena one.

Yeah, and that lack of jealousy is in such strong contrast to her reaction to Damon flirting with Rebekah in 3.06. I mean, Damon only did it at her request and it instantly had such an impact on Elena. Whereas Stefan had an entire relationship with Rebekah (who remains interested in him) and yet there's no apparent jealousy from Elena. That feels incredibly telling.

Yup, it just didn't seem to matter at all that Rebekah has a real past with Stefan, that Rebekah still cares for him, and the thing with Damon was fake, but yet *that's* the one that made her jealous.

Re: the Elena card -- Ooh, good point! Yeah, that actually would've been an ideal moment to invoke their love and yet it didn't happen.

Yup. Instead, the Elena card was invoked for DAMON, not Stefan. I thought that very interesting.

They really have made it so very much about her need to save him, rather than romantic love, haven't they? And at the same time, they've done things like descontruct their early scenes together, made it clear that Elena doesn't know the real Stefan (or vice versa), etc.

And alongside that we've got scenes of her getting to know Damon truly and fully, and having electrically-charged moments with him PLENTY LOTS!

Yeah, I think whatever happens next, what Stefan said back in 3.03 is right; it can't ever be the same again. That doesn't mean they won't try again, but it really can't ever be like it once was, for so very many reasons.

And I go back to, well, then they can start their relationship over and give it the full journey, but, uhm... they're already doing that with Damon and Elena, so why would they repeat themselves -- especially when the Damon/Elena journey is still in progress? I can't see that they would.

You know, this just popped into my mind, what if they've are carefully laying out the Stefan/Rebekah thing. Introduce this great love story, then back away and let viewers get used to Rebekah a bit, then give her a whole episode really bringing viewers into caring about *her* specifically as a character before ... jumping into Stefan/Rebekah present-day. Maybe, just maybe they've been sowing the seeds for something long-term and journey-ful for Stefan. (I'm honestly thinking that the Stefan/Katherine ship has passed. I still think we'll get something, some closure, but I don't think they're going there anymore. Or not.)

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distant_autumn: DE - Kiss - by electrical_sdistant_autumn on November 11th, 2011 12:45 am (UTC)
Part 4
she sought to reassure Damon that Stefan's love for him would save his brother. It wasn't about making her feel better, it wasn't about saving Stefan. It was about Damon, and that Stefan loved him, and that Stefan's love for his brother would save him.

Again, just... yes. MY HEART.

I think that this scene was a possible road map of where we are going. And if this scene is any indication, oh, boy! What we're going to get with Damon and Elena to come is going to be just GLORIOUS! Seriously, my heart! Watching this scene, I was about to explode. Just so beautiful. So right. So very, very right.

I have nothing to add, just... yes ♥!

Hee! Damon, not moving at all, just continuing his musing while Elena ineffectually pulled at the comforter. I especially loved when she pulled completely, her whole body behind it and nothing. Hah!

Me too. Plus, it reminded me of them training, when he was also just standing his ground and chatting away while she tried her hardest. And you could say that in both cases, he managed to get under her defenses ;)

when Elena walks in the room, you can see Damon in her mirror. I just liked that.

Yeah, that was such a lovely shot.

Can I mention again the pure awesome that was Elena VOLUNTARILY going to sleep with Damon in her bed whilst facing him as she did so?!?!?!?

I really don't think that can EVER be mentioned enough. Love it.

took a bunch of early Stefan/Elena sweet moments and deconstructed them, twisting them into something negative. I couldn't help but think of the moment in "Friday Night Bites" when Damon watched Elena sleep, that, despite the sign of humanity still there, was creepy. Well, this is like the opposite of what was done with the Stefan/Elena moments. Here, a negative moment became something sweet and full of trust. *sigh*

Oh god, I meant to say something about this in my post and totally bloody well forgot. Because yes. THIS. That is absolutely, positively exactly what's happening and I love it SO much. Gah.

I don't know why, but I got such a kick out of the fast-paced song playing over Alaric taking the pictures of the wall. I kinda wanted it to go on longer.

Yeah, me too. And I also have no clue why. It just really worked for me.

So, yeah, they're still leaving us hanging re: Katherine, huh?

Hee, I know. They are so mean! I do wonder if we might finally get her return in 3.09 though.

That was such a lovely character moment between Alaric and Bonnie.

Yeah, I really liked that. And it made me think of 3.01, where Ric was trying to duck out of playing that sort of adult role and didn't believe he was capable of it. And now, not only has he totally taken on that role with the Gilberts, but he's also reaching out to Bonnie. Aww!

And Bonnie just having that older adult figure tell her the right thing was just awesome.

Aww, I know. She really does need someone like that in her life.

So, Ric can read Norse writing? Okay, then.

He probably used bing to find out how to translate it! ;)

I do officially think that Damon's hair has finally been cut properly. (The dye job remains as craptastically fake as ever, but I'll take it.)

Heh, If nothing else, the hair Klaus had in the flashbacks made it clear that the hair situation could always be worse!

this was once again a winner. I so adored the Damon/Stefan stuff. Claire Holt is magnificent as Rebekah and I love her so. I got my bb, Elijah, back even if I didn't get him back enough or in the present. (Wah!) And I got such utter perfection with Damon and Elena that I'm still a bit verklempt.

Yup, all of this. Such a great episode. And can I just say, I have reached the stage in my Rebekah love that involves me paranoidly checking twitter to try and establish whether Claire is still filming. They've got to keep her, right? Right?
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on November 11th, 2011 02:07 am (UTC)
Re: Part 4
it reminded me of them training, when he was also just standing his ground and chatting away while she tried her hardest. And you could say that in both cases, he managed to get under her defenses ;)

Ooh, good point! He really is getting under her skin in every possibly way. :D

took a bunch of early Stefan/Elena sweet moments [...] twisting them into something negative [...]the opposite [with D/E] negative to sweet -- Oh god, I meant to say something about this in my post and totally bloody well forgot. Because yes. THIS. That is absolutely, positively exactly what's happening and I love it SO much. Gah.

I just can't see how we aren't getting Damon/Elena, how Damon/Elena are not THE couple. These entire season so far has been taking all of the moments, scenes, dialogue, arcs that us non-S/Ers picked up on and are shining a bright light on them, all the while strengthening the EVERYTHING between Damon and Elena. It's just glorious!

RE: fast song/picture-taking worked -- Yeah, me too. And I also have no clue why. It just really worked for me.

It just really, really did. Weird, cuz it was such a little thing, but yeah, it rocked.

I do wonder if we might finally get [Katherine's] return in 3.09 though.

Well, there's been spec that the one we see in the promos/stills is actually Katherine with the curly hair. There's a moment in the promo where she's standing very Katherine-esque, and I did think it odd that Elena's hair was curled; we haven't seen it curly since 1.22 ... before Katherine showed up. We'll find out soon enough.

RE: Alaric and Bonnie -- Yeah, I really liked that. And it made me think of 3.01, where Ric was trying to duck out of playing that sort of adult role and didn't believe he was capable of it. And now, not only has he totally taken on that role with the Gilberts, but he's also reaching out to Bonnie. Aww!

And yet there are people who saw it as setting up the potential ship of Bonnie/Alaric. For reals? The show is just not going to go THERE. This is not that kind of show.

He probably used bing to find out how to translate [Norse writing]! ;)

Hee! Maybe he had Jeremy's help. That's where Jeremy was in this episode! Binging it for Alaric!

I have reached the stage in my Rebekah love that involves me paranoidly checking twitter to try and establish whether Claire is still filming. They've got to keep her, right? Right?

Has she still been filming?!?!? Please say yes because I irrationally am afraid that Klaus does away with her in this episode tonight!!! GAH!!!
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