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14 October 2011 @ 03:19 am
3.05 - 'The Reckoning' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Woohoo! Another curse-free new TVD Thursday. I'm choosing to believe that my having to wait three hours to watch the show is bad mojo enough. Yay! Anyhoo, you know the drill, thoughts behind the cut ...

Spoiler alert! I LOVED IT! Whee!!! My show is back! Yes! This was such a wonderful, wonderful episode (and such a relief after the last one). It was incredibly strong, incredibly layered, incredibly exciting, shocking, action-packed and yet offered some lovely character moments. Really excellent episode. In fact, I'd call it the best of the season so far. Yeah, I liked it that much -- even more than "The End of the Affair." Alright, time for the thinky-thoughts.

First of all, the triangle. I will admit that prior to the last five minutes, I was ready to throw in the towel and concede that I was crazy to think that there was ever any intention to move beyond Stefan and Elena as *the* couple, and that Damon and Elena would always be a hopeless, shipper dream. Then came the last few scenes between Damon and Elena and it not only renewed my faith that they would be it, but it also made me re-evaluate the earlier Stefan/Elena scenes in a much less positive light.

Now I had picked up on the fact that Elena told Stefan she loved him as almost a last resort. Everything prior to that had been based on Stefan's love for her. Him saying she thought he wouldn't do it because he loved her, and her confirming that, her pointing out all they'd been through together, but there were no doe-eyes from her, there was simply no love emanating from her. There was desperation, there was fear, but not love. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Elena doesn't love Stefan, I believe she does, I believe she always will (whether it's as a former love remembering all they'd been through, or as a platonic love down the line), but right now, what is driving her is not love. Even in "The End of the Affair," her final scene with him while not as love-driven as attempts in the past to save him (namely in "Miss Mystic Falls" and "Blood Brothers" -- which were fairly drenched in love), comparatively speaking, it was still at least there. It just wasn't in these scenes, not from her end anyway.

It was there from Stefan's, but that's almost become par for the course this season. Other than the scary look of love from Elena (AS SHE IS STANDING IN FROM OF HIS LONG LIST OF VICTIMS!), any saturated-with-love moment between the two has come from Stefan's end. And that continued in this episode. He resisted Klaus' initial compulsion to feed on Elena enough to physically keep himself from doing so, letting her escape. He forcefully told Klaus "no" when Klaus pushed him to turn the switch off. But ... and this, I think, is key.

He didn't succeed in the end.

He wasn't able to fight Klaus' compulsion. His love for Elena, their great love, wasn't strong enough. For all that he fought to resist, in the end, he did not. He could not. And that is the message we got. That Stefan's love for Elena wasn't enough. Yes, he fought valiantly, and if the show wanted to key in on that, someone would have managed to come in and save Elena in time. Instead, it became about despite his best efforts to resist, he still fed on her. If the show used his fighting it so hard and so well as proof that he wouldn't go there because he held off long enough for Elena to be saved from him that would have made it about how strong and powerful his love for her is. But they didn't do that. He resisted, he tried so hard, but in the end, he failed ... and no one was there to rescue her in time.

On the other end of the spectrum, there was Damon. Who, unlike Stefan, was easily able to resist her blood. When he stood there holding the transfusion tube filled with her blood, the veins didn't pop out, his fangs didn't even emerge. He wasn't tempted enough for it to even count to drink Elena's blood. This was in stark contrast to Stefan who desperately informed Elena even as he was fighting it so terribly that he wanted to drink her blood. He wanted it so much. Klaus told Stefan the only thing stronger than his need for blood was his love for Elena, but it was still such a huge struggle for him, and once Klaus told him to let go, he gave right in and drank. For Damon? Again, it wasn't even temptation enough to bring out the hint of the monster in him.

And then there was the fact that the last shot of Stefan and Elena (prior to nonchalant Ripper Stefan who barely noticed Elena) showed him viciously attacking her, and drinking her blood. That was followed shortly thereafter by swells of music beginning as Damon entered Elena's hospital room, removing the tubes, barely moved by her blood, Elena saying his name, him picking her up, and carrying her away all damsel-in-distress like with the back-shot of him taking her to safety. So Stefan nearly kills Elena -- stopped presumably only by Klaus, who now needs her blood -- and Damon rescues her. Again, significant.

Which brings us to their final scene. First of all, I did find it very interesting that they made quite an obvious show of Damon holding the necklace up for Elena to see, her focusing on it, but not saying anything about it, not reaching for it, before Damon finally looked at it and set it down (with the camera's focus on him doing so). Considering that the last episode began with Damon calling it a symbol of her unbreakable bond with Stefan, and now she clearly doesn't even want it is telling. In fact, there was almost a look of disgust on her face as she looked at. Similar to when she told Damon she didn't want to forget any of it, any of what Stefan had done.

And she looked so firm, so full of resolve and then started to crumple, likely remembering what had happened, and then came her teary question of Damon. On one hand, I liked that she asked him where he was, all a'trembly and wet and-doe-eyed as if she does expect Damon to be her hero now. In her mind, Damon is always there to save her, and he wasn't -- till the end -- this time. On the other hand, I was bothered that there was no acknowledgement that Damon wasn't there because she, Alaric and Caroline made it clear he wasn't very welcome in Mystic Falls at the moment. On the other, other hand, her teary question led us to the beautiful moment where Damon looked at her, puppy-dog eyes wide and full of so much sincere love where he promised that he would never leave her. (*Sigh*) And then came the third significant moment with regards to Damon and Elena. After he promised her that, she smiled. Genuinely smiled. She nodded in agreement, and smiled. This was significant, in my opinion, for two reasons.

The first is that, yet again, we see that in the midst of insanity, Damon is able to make Elena smile. And he is the only one we've ever seen be able to do this on a regular basis. Secondly, and more importantly, Damon promising to never leave Elena's side made her smile. Let that sink in. Damon's promise to stay by her side forever made her happy ... even after the horror of what had just happened with Stefan. Yeah.

Definitely significant, I'd say.

It also ties into one final point. All of the stuff with Stefan and Elena felt as if it was positioning their relationship in the past. Other than the statements of love, everything else they said was in the past tense. And while Stefan did fight terribly hard, again, in the end, he still fed on her. It felt to me as if metaphorically -- even if through compulsion -- in that final scene they were put in the past. Which is also in direct contrast the final Damon/Elena scene that positioned them in the present and the future. ("I promise I will never leave you.") Something to chew upon that.

ETA: I guess I should make this more clear because I really was tired by the time I was writing this. I don't think that Stefan and Elena are over, done with, I just mean that the whole pure, us against the world twu wuv foreva crap they've been selling is over and in the past. Now it's a different ballgame. Anything with them is going to have a LOT more baggage now, and Damon and his utterly unselfish, unwavering love of Elena will be in the forefront.

Moving on to other entanglements -- past, present and future -- spinning off from this triangle. Of course, there's the first one. Last week, we had Stefan and Katherine where despite his repudiation of her, Stefan still showed he cared about her and had more energy interacting with her than we'd seen from him in ages. This week, we have Katherine and Damon, and their first scene made it absolutely clear that while Stefan still has some lingering something for Katherine, Damon most assuredly does not. Hah, despite the very hot hotness of their kiss, like in "The House Guest," I got a bigger kick out of Damon rejecting her, and explaining that he figured he'd give it a shot, but yeah, she doesn't do it for him anymore. Hah hah hah. I knew that we definitely got our closure last season and that Damon was so over her. Thank you for reconfirming that, show. :)

What I found interesting, though, was his later statement right before he left where he said he never would have stupidly risked his life for her. Because they were speaking of the Damon who'd loved Katherine. Here he's saying -- and it didn't come across as another attempt to land a barb, just fact -- that he never loved her that completely, that fully as he does Elena. To which I say: SQUEE!

And speaking of Elena, yes, I am still annoyed (?) frustrated (?) that Stefan has killed, is killing, etc. and we are still getting no fall-out, reaction to that from Elena. I mean, I suppose we got a tiny bit with the near-look of disgust on her face thinking about the events of the night, but still. I need more. I think we all need more.

Lastly, on the other end of the triangle, I found it interesting -- and this could just be my hopeful delusion speaking -- that Rebekah spent so much more time interacting with Caroline than she did with Elena. Yes, I will grab onto anything that points to Caroline and Stefan as endgame. And on Rebekah, I was gratified to see so much jealousy in evidence about Elena ("the other doppelganger was prettier") because that tells me that the Stefan/Rebekah angle is not over. To which I say: YAY! Also, I wonder if we'll see Stefan and Rebekah (if she is still there in Mystic Falls) starting senior year together and deciding to run the school as king and queen. Man, that would be such a blast to watch!

One other interesting thing about Rebekah, I found it interesting that she stabbed Stefan with a similar object in a similarly jealous manner as Katherine did in "The Return." Parallels, parallels, parallels, gotta love them.

So, I suppose I should mention the whole Klaus compels Stefan to turn it off. As I said in my post about that spoiler, I don't mind. I really don't. I think Stefan has done enough horrible things that being a full-on Ripper as his choice is one that wasn't needed, and is one that would push him beyond the brink. Plus, I liked how it was worded. Klaus didn't tell him to flip the switch specifically, he told him to let go. I don't know why, but that just made it that much more ... meaningful? It was like Klaus was giving Stefan what he wanted. It just really did work for me.

ETA: Eh, I was wrong, he said 'turn it off.' I still liked it.

It's late, I'm tired and my thinky-thoughts really just revolved around the Damon/Elena vs. Stefan/Elena tonight, so I'm going with random thoughts for the rest ...

- I did not like Anna hating on Damon too. Come on, the last time she saw him, he clearly wanted to save her life. Come on! Really?!

- Sigh, I wish that we didn't have to see Damon be a wee bit mean to Jeremy, but there are definite positive still at play there.

1. Damon did tell him it wasn't personal to begin with.
2. Jeremy totally seemed to get that, sure he called Damon a dick, but he also didn't really seem all that upset with him. So, erm, yay?

On that note, I think the writer of this episode (Michael Narducci) likes the possibility of the Damon/Jeremy dynamic because the last two episodes he wrote were "The Last Dance" (on his lonesome) and "As I Lay Dying" (co-writing) and those were the only episodes that featured one-on-one Jeremy/Damon interaction since the fifth episode of last season. I like this. This can continue.

- Also what this writer appears to like? School stuffies! Again, "The Last Dance." Took place mostly at the school.

- And one more for this writer and the road ... Bonnie. Again, "The Last Dance." It featured not only a magically kick-ass Bonnie, but a warm, brave, empathetic Bonnie who was smart and pretty dang awesome, showing off not just her ability, but also had some fantastic character moments with Jeremy, Elena and Damon. And, again, in this episode we had a totally awesome Bonnie, even without her magic on display. I loved, loved, loved her choosing to side with Caroline's positive point of view, her running like mad to save Matt, pulling him from the water and saving him, and then her telling him that what he did was stupid and reckless, but in such a warm, understanding tone. And then telling him that he's the only one among them who has a shot of getting away from it all. It was just so wonderfully written by Narducci and performed by Kat Graham.

- Heh, the look on Jeremy's face when Damon announced that Bonnie was texting him. Funny.

- Okay, so, erm, how did Damon even know to go to the hospital? Clearly no time had passed for Damon to know from her friends because Matt was still at the school. So, yeah, how did he know? I mean, I'm not complaining due to the loverly scenes we got with Damon and Elena, but yeah, totally, how did he know?

- Speaking of Matt ... DUDE! I can NOT believe he did that. But then I can, he is so lost, feels so alone and he never even got the chance to say goodbye to Vicki, and yet she's talking to Jeremy. It was stupid, it was reckless, but it was also kind of awesome too. This is the first episode this season where I've pretty much unequivocally loved every Matt moment.

- I gotta say, I am not a Vicki fan, Matt is my least favorite regular/recurring character on the show now, but damn, if that final Matt/Vicki scene didn't get me teary-eyed. "Hi, Matty." {Sobs}

- So Tyler is a hybrid now. Is it bad that I'm disappointed because (like so many others in fandom) I wanted it to be Damon somehow, LOL? Ah well.

- About Tyler and Caroline, yeah, I'll admit it that it's completely petty, but I'm kinda frustrated/jealous that these two are getting so much giddy happiness, and I'm just waiting, waiting, waiting for my couple to FINALLY get there. A few seconds here and there don't count. {Pout} I just, yeah, I find them so boring. However, on the bright side, unlike with Stefan and Elena, Caroline actually brings out the best in Tyler and that's a big step up!

- Hee, I was so amused by Stefan's appearance at the end, especially his "By all means, carry on," gesturing at Damon and Elena together. Not a spoiler anymore because, well, he's there, but now we know that the new house guest who annoys Damon is Stefan, and to that, so much hee. I can't wait.

- *Sigh* I loved the mention of Pearl. And, aha!, now we know why Pearl was on Katherine's side; I always did wonder what the story was there. (Ooh, ooh, maybe we can haz a Pearl flashback, plz?!)

- Damnit, they killed "Not now, Dana."

- Hah, Rebekah is such a brat. Tis amusing.

- So Mikael is an original, yes, but which original is he? Hmm... I don't think it's the father now. Another brother?

- So, uhm, erm, are they chemistry-testing Bonnie and Matt? *Sigh* I can sorta see something happening because Jeremy is all caught up in this Anna/Vicki stuff, and Matt and Bonnie find themselves turning to the other, maybe something bad happens, Bonnie and/or Matt feel betrayed and whoops! The Vampire Diaries briefly remembers which network it's on and they fall into bed together. Yeah, I can see that happening. Wah! Jeremy and Bonnie!! My sunshine, rainbow and puppies couple!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (Calm down, it's just crazy talk! Just stupid, paranoid speculation!)

- That litte bit of Jeremy and Katherine interaction at the end there was interesting, and I wonder if that will continue to some degree which could help to lead to my crazy, baseless, stupid, paranoid speculation above. Honestly, I think Jeremy might stick with Katherine as long as he can because it finally allows him to be a part of it all significantly, and he's wanted that since the start of last season ... badly.

- So, Stefan answered my question from the premiere. Yes, rippers are just rippers, it's not a special nickname just for Stefan. butterfly said to me that it's clearly just Damon believing that Stefan is special. Aww.

- What a brilliant, and utterly reasonable (well, for a supernatural show, hee) way to have Klaus not want to kill Elena. Also, yeah, we got confirmation from Klaus that he promised Stefan he wouldn't kill Damon thus his still living. :)

- Speaking of Klaus, finally! He was pretty bad-ass in this episode. Very three-dimensional. He had some great quips ("Seniors you've been discovered/Dana, take a break"), some cute family moments with Rebekah, and that dimension came from his clear desire to just have Stefan freely and of his own will as his bro, as well as the final scene where Rebekah realized it's all about him not wanting to be alone, wanting a family. Plus, he was clever, not killing Elena right away until he knew for sure, figuring out the Original witch's plan. So, go Klaus. FINALLY! Joseph Morgan did a fantastic job.

- I want to offer up some praise for not only Nina Dobrev, but Ian Somerhalder here. That first scene with Damon and Katherine, it just really struck me how it was very much Katherine ... and NOT Elena, and I owe that, obviously, first and foremost to Nina's brilliant portrayal, but also I have to give props to Ian because he plays opposite Nina as Katherine so differently from how he plays opposite Nina as Elena. And adding a third layer on top of that, there is the fact that Nina Dobrev and Ian Somerhalder *are* in a romantic relationship together and have been for over 18 months now. That they are so professional and so damn good that they completely separate their real lives and the two characters so distinctly is awesome. As hot as the Damon/Katherine kiss was, it didn't actually do anything for me (hah, much like Katherine for Damon), but the sight of Damon carrying Elena down the hall, Damon telling Elena he would never leave her and her responding smile ... well, those two moments just melted my heart.

- Finally, THE most important thing about tonight's episode. THEY CUT DAMON'S HAIR! HALLELUJAH!! (And Ian Somerhalder was once more fully returned to his state of inhuman beauty. Thank you, thank you, thank you.)

Oh, this episode was so, so, so, sooooooooooo good. As much as I did love "The Birthday," "The Hybrid," as utterly awesome as "The End of the Affair" was, this is easily the best episode, and my favorite of the season so far. I loved it so very much. Well done, Mr. Narducci. Well done.

And next week: Damon teaches Elena how to fight; ie, the number one excuse that shows use to get UST-filled couples all sweaty and up in each other's dance spaces. Oh yeah! I. Can. Not. Wait. :D
 
 
 
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on October 14th, 2011 08:32 am (UTC)
First of all: Photobucket

AND YOU!!! I mean, apart from the 3 hour delay nothing bad is stopping you to watch new TVD ep's and posting reviews, anymore...So Yay!!


Then:

My overall reaction after watching this episode was:

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Like I already mentioned in tvdbloodstream.

The Katherine ans Damon scene:

If I was happy and amused beyond measures during "There are 6 other bedrooms in this house Katherine....Go Find one!". Then today I was actually doing this:

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How cool was that: "Thought I'd give it a shot.....Truth is you just don't do it for me anymore". Katherine's face after the throw back was actually hilarious (for me), she looked absolutely pooped!!! Hee Hee Hee Hee Hee Hee!

When Elena still persisted on the fact that it's not Stefan's fault, he is doing what he's doing because he's compelled by Klaus.I actually loved Klaus's explanation of Stefan's doings: "I just invited him to the party love..he's doing all the dancing". Simple, short and efficient. And yeah...Joseph Morgan kicked ASS with his acting today.

THEY CUT DAMON'S HAIR! HALLELUJAH!! (And Ian Somerhalder was once more fully returned to his state of inhuman beauty. Thank you, thank you, thank you.)


Really? I didn't notice.....Guess I have to rewatch again....huh? ;)

So, uhm, erm, are they chemistry-testing Bonnie and Matt?,
and Matt and Bonnie find themselves turning to the other, maybe something bad happens, Bonnie and/or Matt feel betrayed and whoops


Julie did say that Matt was going to get laid, pretty soon.
But with Bonnie... Noooo...Not with Bonnie...PLEASEE!!


I want to offer up some praise for not only Nina Dobrev, but Ian Somerhalder here......... well, those two moments just melted my heart.

THIS... VERY MUCH YES.

Although I am sure they more than enough makes it up to each other in prvate, but keeping EVERY single things in check while acting and portraying everything differently for Katherine and Elena, sould and must be hard for both of them. But they do it, efficiently, effortlessly and OH-SO-AWESOMELY!!

AND THE DELENA SWEET-NESS SCENES:

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ANYWAY....I wanna conclude with a"I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU WROTE". And since I'm knee deep with studies and sleep and stuff right now, I can't really form much coherent thoughts. I will definitely write up stuff the instant something comes up to my head, to discuss it with you. You know I love to do that. ;)





Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the Damon rejecting Katherine after giving her a shot was HI-larious!

When Elena still persisted on the fact that it's not Stefan's fault, he is doing what he's doing because he's compelled by Klaus.I actually loved Klaus's explanation of Stefan's doings: "I just invited him to the party love..he's doing all the dancing". Simple, short and efficient. And yeah...Joseph Morgan kicked ASS with his acting today.

Yeah, I liked that bit. That Klaus made it clear, he just gave Stefan license to go for it, but how he was doing so was all Stefan. Morgan was fantastic.

Re: Ian's hair. Well, it's still not as short as I'd like, but yeah, definitely looked like he got a trim.

Julie did say that Matt was going to get laid, pretty soon.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. :whimpers:

keeping EVERY single things in check while acting and portraying everything differently for Katherine and Elena, sould and must be hard for both of them. But they do it, efficiently, effortlessly and OH-SO-AWESOMELY!!

Exactly!
Silvia Kundera: TVD-Annasilviakundera on October 14th, 2011 08:50 am (UTC)
I did not like Anna hating on Damon too. Come on, the last time she saw him, he clearly wanted to save her life. Come on! Really?!

That made NO SENSE to me. At all.

This just goes on my list of shit I will always bitch about. (luckily, for this show it's a short one) But yeah, it's right up there with randomly having Emily's ghost hate on Damon, pettily locking him out of that house, etc. Just, what? Last time we saw Damon with Emily, she was all, "sorry to betray you Damon, but I have to do this." And he'd tried to save her life. They weren't on horrible terms. Didn't. Make. Sense. The Anna bit here made even less sense, because Damon had been shown on good terms with her during the end of S1 and then it was actually a key character moment for Damon that he'd feel deeply watching her death.

Sometimes I think it's a fanservice thing... where they know there's this small portion of the audience that absolutely hates Damon, and always will, and every so often they feel like they have to throw them a bone by having characters just randomly hate on Damon out of context -- being pointlessly cruel to him or harping on how he's evil/worthless. So those viewers can cheer. The problem, imo, is that often that kind of fanservice disorts canon character characterization.
Arabian: Damon15arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, this kinda nails it. I think you may be right, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. Why, why, why would Anna be an issue with him. If they'd just made it about not wanting to talk in front of Katherine -- you know, the reason her mother is dead! -- I'd totally be on board. But Damon? Yeah, no.
silesqsilesq on October 14th, 2011 09:13 am (UTC)
"First of all, the triangle. I will admit that prior to the last five minutes, I was ready to throw in the towel and concede that I was crazy to think that there was ever any intention to move beyond Stefan and Elena as *the* couple, and that Damon and Elena would always be a hopeless, shipper dream."


lol lol sorry Arabian but when I read that I said NOOO it´s not possible, she is on "my team" now?? lol lol but as I kept reading I realised that you were not "at least" not now lol lol.

You know as I told you once I am not watching the show I watch you tube video sometimes and I read your recaps (sometimes), although I realised that I love more reading you (here and at fan forum) than knowing how the show is going.

I feel bad for saying this because you all are sure happy, but remembert my words this show is about the love of Stefan and Elena and Damon´s journey and love for Elena. The love story of the show is Stefan and Elena and when the show is over you will see that.

Where is the triangle??' I still want to see that. But writers are good fooling people, one episode they give us some sweet Delena scenes but that´s all, deep down nothing has changed and nothing will change. In the next episode we will see Elena still thinking, loving and bla bla for Stefan.

I truly think that producers and writers can´t see the potential of things, for me they are unable to tell a believable love story because Stefan and Elena for me are not believable as a couple but they seem to not care.

Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 14th, 2011 04:05 pm (UTC)
Please don't take this the wrong way. I love that you enjoy reading my stuff, but I'd appreciate if you didn't come into a post where I am full of utter squee and joy just to tell me how stupid and wrong I am for seeing what I do. I know you don't intend it that way, but it's how it comes across. I get that you don't feel this way. I get that you don't believe this, but I do, and in this case, this was an episode I adored, and your response basically just came in and harshed my squee. I'm sorry, but, I really would appreciate if you wouldn't do that. I'm all for discussing things, but you don't watch the show, you don't see the ebb and flow, the inbetween, the building narrative that I do so we can't even really discuss it. Watching the Damon/Elena youtube clips do NOT tell the whole story. You may be right in the end, but I'm basing my belief on what I'm watching, and you're not watching it.

You say 'where is the triangle?' It's been growing gradually more obvious this season and in tonight's episode it was very, very, very much in evidence. Will we see Elena still thinking/caring about Stefan in the next episode? Of course we will. She loves him. But the key thing is that it's becoming very clear that she's falling in love with Damon too. But again, you don't watch the show the way it's intended, you don't sit down and take it all in, so there's nothing to discuss with you.

You have your firm belief of what/how they are doing this, so I don't know. I think you're trying to warn me to not get my hopes up? It's happened before, it will happen again with other shows/couples, but I'm sure as heck enjoying this ride more than I have ever any other show.
x5valex5vale on October 14th, 2011 09:15 am (UTC)
It was incredibly strong, incredibly layered, incredibly exciting, shocking, action-packed and yet offered some lovely character moments. Really excellent episode. In fact, I'd call it the best of the season so far. Yeah, I liked it that much -- even more than "The End of the Affair." Alright, time for the thinky-thoughts
Totally agree. this episode saw me holding my breath more than once.

You know I think Elena is too blindsided to see who Stefan really see. I can see her trying to de-tox him now and get over everything he has done. This Elena is so different from the one ready to condemn everyone who wanted to save her despite the price to pay. This Elena is lost, I think, and scared. I can't really blame her.

- Finally, THE most important thing about tonight's episode. THEY CUT DAMON'S HAIR! HALLELUJAH!! (And Ian Somerhalder was once more fully returned to his state of inhuman beauty. Thank you, thank you, thank you.)
He is too beautyful for words.
Arabian: Deanarabian on October 14th, 2011 04:29 pm (UTC)
You know I think Elena is too blindsided to see who Stefan really see. I can see her trying to de-tox him now and get over everything he has done. This Elena is so different from the one ready to condemn everyone who wanted to save her despite the price to pay. This Elena is lost, I think, and scared. I can't really blame her.

Ooh, I like that angle. i really do. :)
Maeve: TVD: Cuddlemarble_rose on October 14th, 2011 10:13 am (UTC)
I love everything this episode chooses to be!

Everything you said about Elena's (Rebekah's?) necklace, I agree with so hard. There's was so much subtext going on with that scene. I loved the way all the shots emphasized the necklace, Elena's reaction to it, as well as Damon finally placing it aside on the table. As a film student, all of those editing/shot choices were really interesting.

I'm not sure I agree about them making Stefan/Elena a thing of the past and highlighting Damon/Elena as the future. I think Stefan/Elena is still alive and kicking; they're just finally putting to rest the adolescent denial-ridden version of them. Thank god.

This show is based on a triangle, and I'm good with each leg getting the appropriate amount of attention and development. The only reason last season was so hard was because things were decidedly unrequited with Damon and Elena. Hell, even in season one, we at least got to see a lot of interest, for lack of a better word, on Elena's part.

So now that we're starting to see the feelings I always suspected/hoped Elena had for Damon, I'm much less bitter about S/E. Tbh, the main reason I disliked S/E before was because I found them boring. Now that we're finally getting some compelling story with them, I don't mind watching them.

As far as endgame goes...I rarely ever wind up getting what I want, so I'm conditioned not to expect to, lol. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the end of this show had Damon and Stefan visiting Elena's grave together. *Shrug* Basically, I'm trying not to worry about endgame and just the present, which, with episodes like this one, is not much of a challenge.

In conclusion, OMG YES DAMON WAS SO PRETTY TONIGHT.
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on October 14th, 2011 04:11 pm (UTC)
Everything you said about Elena's (Rebekah's?) necklace, I agree with so hard. There's was so much subtext going on with that scene. I loved the way all the shots emphasized the necklace, Elena's reaction to it, as well as Damon finally placing it aside on the table. As a film student, all of those editing/shot choices were really interesting.

Definitely, it was so clearly significant. And taking into account Damon's line about what that necklace signified for Elena, it added to what I meant about Stefan and Elena in the past. Speaking of ... I realize that my tiredness kinda got in the way of properly expressing myself. I don't think that Stefan and Elena are over, done with. I just mean that the whole pure, us against the world twu wuv foreva crap they've been selling is over and in the past. Now it's a different ballgame. Anything with them is going to have a LOT more baggage now, and Damon and his utterly unselfish, unwavering love of Elena will be in the forefront.

OMG YES DAMON WAS SO PRETTY TONIGHT.

YES!
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Vickie: TVD - Elena Hip Cocksarcasticcheese on October 14th, 2011 11:57 am (UTC)
Klaus didn't tell him to flip the switch specifically, he told him to let go.

I kinda remember Klaus screaming at Stefan to TURN IT OFF.

This episode, I really, really, REALLY missed not being able to talk to you immediately afterwards. We haven't had an episode where we've been able to squee about in a while and when we get one, we can't discuss right away. BOO. :(

Agreed, definitely the best episode of the season. Loved just about every minute of it. I have more to share, but not enough time to type it all out now. We can discuss more when we chat. :D

RIP, Not Now Dana. (I did actually say out loud, "AWWWW, you can't kill Not!Now!Dana!")
Arabian: Elena01arabian on October 14th, 2011 03:58 pm (UTC)
Yeah, i was actually lying in bed when I woke up and was like 'wait, he didn't say that?' When I woke up, I rewatched it and yeah, he didn't. LOL! I edited that.

Yeah, I do miss not being able to discuss with you. *Sigh*

Agreed, definitely the best episode of the season. Loved just about every minute of it.

So agreed.
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Arabian: Damon & Elena13arabian on October 14th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
I realize that my tiredness kinda got in the way of properly expressing myself. I don't think that Stefan and Elena are over, done with, I just mean that the whole pure, us against the world twu wuv foreva crap they've been selling is over and in the past. Now it's a different ballgame. Anything with them is going to have a LOT more baggage now, and Damon and his utterly unselfish, unwavering love of Elena will be in the forefront.

And, yeah, I totally did get the Klaus line wrong, LOL! I was actually lying in bed when I woke up and was like 'wait, he didn't say that?' When I woke up, I rewatched it and yeah, he didn't. LOL! I edited that.

I was about ready to throw in my towel too --- then the last few scenes between DE happened and I was all giddy again. IDK, I really hope we aren't all setting ourselves up for disappointment. LOL

I do think that's telling, though, it's like they were subverting our beliefs there and then BAM! major Damon-hero moment, AWESOME Damon/Elena = LOVE scene.
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on October 14th, 2011 03:28 pm (UTC)
The Michael guy, who might turn out to be TVD's very own "BLADE"....he isn't an Original....i think... Because when he was lying there inside of the box/coffin/casket, I checked specifically, but I couldn't find a dagger. Also, he opened his eyes, seconds after Katherine lifted the lid, whereas if he were an Original, the dagger needs to be removed and then after a few moments of wait, convulsions and etc, then they finally comes to sense. I might be wrong, but that's what I think as of now.

And Tyler. Since he's a hybrid now, does that mean he also needs to feed on human blood like Klaus does, or something else...and since this Vampire thing is an added feature for him, now I think he now needs a crash course on "Hoe to be a vampire as well 101", so that he doesn't become reckless and hurt innocents...question is, will he be able to learn and adapt to that? Because he shows signs of heightened feelings and everything bright, similar to what vampires feels after they are newbie's...that's why I guess Caroline had a worried face, even after he ensured he is more than okay and they hugged. Bigger question is...if and when Klaus dies, does that mean ALL that he sires, dies with him as well?? If yes, then Tyler might also die....! *gasP*

And yeah...I watched it again, Klaus told Stefan to: "Stop fighting.....You'll do exactly as I say, when I say it, you will not run, you will not hide, you'll simply just obey" and then ...finally "TURN IT OFF!!"

When Stefan was behaving (or trying to behave) like S1 Damon, I found him a little funny and cute, instead of being sinisterly and dangerous. His other Ripper Mayhem acts were scarier than him being mean to Elena and Damon. In the promo for the next episode, where he was feeding off on girls and they were putting on a show for him in front of the fireplace, that instantly took me to the episode in "A Few Good Men"...Stefan found Damon in a very much similar position trying to drown his sorrows by feeding off of Sorority girls. Stefan was the "Buzz-Kill Bob" there, and i guess Damon's the one here.
But dunno why....Damon looked scrumptious even though he was being All Damon-y and baad. But Stefan looked like he is just having those gross Ripper feeding moments, nothing else.

Also, no matter how much I sing his praises, it won't be enough! How awesome is Ian Somerhalder and his acting skills...he was being completely sweet, caring, adorable, and honest with Elena. And the minute Stefan arrives, lo and behold, there comes the snarky, claw filled Damon Salvatore. His transitions are almost as epic as Nina jumping from Katherine to Elena... WOw!!
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder07arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that but my brain was all flailing about Damon/Elena!!!! still that it didn't connect in my brain. Yup, no dagger, just the chains.

Re: Tyler, I still think there's a possibility that Tyler is going to start to get more and more towards the dark side and is either going to go completely bad down the line, or head towards it and then sacrifice himself nobly and die in the end. I dunno, it's just something I think is possible.

When Stefan was behaving (or trying to behave) like S1 Damon, I found him a little funny and cute, instead of being sinisterly and dangerous.

Well, to be fair, Damon in S1 was mostly a little funny and cute, until we saw him act all uncaring and kill-y-like. I imagine it will be similar for Stefan.

.Damon looked scrumptious even though he was being All Damon-y and baad. But Stefan looked like he is just having those gross Ripper feeding moments, nothing else.

Well, you ARE a Damon/Ian fan, and not as much a Stefan/Paul fan so that kinda could be the reason, LOL! I know some Paul fans have found his ripper ways this season super-hot!

Yeah, Ian is awesome. :D
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Not Leaving (D/E)butterfly on October 14th, 2011 04:38 pm (UTC)
This episode! I loved it so much.

Okay, so, erm, how did Damon even know to go to the hospital? Clearly no time had passed for Damon to know from her friends because Matt was still at the school. So, yeah, how did he know? I mean, I'm not complaining due to the loverly scenes we got with Damon and Elena, but yeah, totally, how did he know?

I thought of another possibility! Damon concentrated and was listening for Klaus's voice, since Bonnie seemed to have texted him that Klaus had Elena. Isn't "drive around and concentrate to hear someone's voice" a plan a vampire either uses or thinks of using in S1?
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:21 pm (UTC)
I dunno, but I'll take it! :Thumbs up:
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: DE OTPbadboy_fangirl on October 14th, 2011 05:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, Jenn. Oh, Jenn!

First things first: this too is my favorite episode thus far this season. I loved it, top to bottom. I really like your breakdown of the Stefan/Elena stuff versus the Damon/Elena stuff, and I concur. I read some frustration with Elena not doing anything for herself in this episode, but I felt like this was her last ditch effort to save Stefan; by calling on all those things BETWEEN them that should matter, that the Stefan that she knew would have (and did) agreed mattered, but ultimately do not because he's a different species than she is. And because Stefan is much more dangerous than Damon ever thought of being, because Damon has always been able to control it -- thinking back to Coach Tanner, and even Jessica, and then last week with Bill -- it is always a choice with Damon, because he knows what he's doing as a vampire. He gets that label of 'reckless' and 'crazy' but I'd deem him crazy like a fox.

Anyway, I'm digressing. All that matters is what was clearly SHOWN to us (as opposed TOLD to us last week, right?) this week, and it was so freaking gorgeous, my shipper heart was filled to overflowing. My roomie, who loves Damon and Elena, but isn't quite as crazy as me even wanted to watch that final scene again--we watched it three times total before the end of the evening. That's how powerful it was. SQUEE!

And, can I just say: YOU LIKED MATTY! SQUEE! Hee. I get how he's not the most interesting person for everyone, but I do love him and have loved him so much -- in fact when I was worried Tyler might die last night, my niece was like, "Quick, Tyler or Matt, you have to pick one!" and I was like, "ARRGGHHH! I can't choose! Don't make me choose, show!" and luckily they didn't, at least, not yet. I'm curious about Matt and Bonnie, though, gotta say. I might ship them a bit now.

How creepy will a Jeremy-Katherine alliance be? How wickedly creepy and wonderful can it be? We shall see!

Damon rejecting Katherine is probably why this is my favorite episode of the season, though. It just never gets old. I would watch him mock her and reject he all day long, honestly. I love that Damon can read Stefan's journal and drive, and make out and drive. He's such a multi-tasker!

:D

So much SQUEE for this episode. For this show, in general, and especially for my OTP. I can't even tell you how much i laughed at Stefan's final scene at the Boarding House. Someone labeled him Damon!Stefan, and OMG, it's going to be so much fun!
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:32 pm (UTC)
Oh, Jenn. Oh, Jenn!

I know, RIGHT!?!??!? Gah! So. Much. Feeling! And all of it GOOOOOD!

this too is my favorite episode thus far this season. I loved it, top to bottom.

Yup, and unlike the other awesomely kick-ass episode so far (3.03), it also had some FANTASTIC, HEART-MELTING Damon/Elena stuff. I'll be honest, that's what put it over the top for me. :D

I really like your breakdown of the Stefan/Elena stuff versus the Damon/Elena stuff, and I concur. I read some frustration with Elena not doing anything for herself in this episode, but I felt like this was her last ditch effort to save Stefan; by calling on all those things BETWEEN them that should matter, that the Stefan that she knew would have (and did) agreed mattered, but ultimately do not because he's a different species than she is

Exactly, I don't know, but I imagine that Stefan/Elena fans and pessimistic Damon/Elena fans read those scenes as proof of their unwavering, forever love, but I still maintain that what we saw is that as hard as he tried, he FAILED. If they wanted to make it about their "epic" love, they would have had him fight it as he had, and then someone, anyone would have saved Elena before it got to that point. But they didn't. So the big point wasn't that Stefan fought so hard and because he did so, he didn't feed from her, but rather, despite the fact that Stefan fought so hard, he still wound up feeding from her in the end.

because Stefan is much more dangerous than Damon ever thought of being, because Damon has always been able to control it [...] it is always a choice with Damon, because he knows what he's doing as a vampire

And seeing Stefan unable to control it, hopefully others will see it to. (We know from the preview that Alaric does.) This might really help with the others realizing that wait, Damon's NOT that bad after all.

All that matters is what was clearly SHOWN to us (as opposed TOLD to us last week, right?) this week, and it was so freaking gorgeous, my shipper heart was filled to overflowing.

Yes, yes, yes. If we can, we should so try and talk sometime this weekend. I would love to squee in joy and wonder with you. AAAAAHHHHH!

YOU LIKED MATTY! SQUEE! Hee.

Well to be fair, I've always liked Matt, I've just always (since Vicki left) liked him the least. But in this episode, I loved him. And that's only happened a few other times in the series for me.

I'm curious about Matt and Bonnie, though, gotta say. I might ship them a bit now.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!! Jeremy and Bonnie forever! *sigh* Yeah, I have a feeling that J&B may just be one of those for sure couples who isn't meant to last. :shrugs:

Damon rejecting Katherine

Always equals WIN!!

I love that Damon can read Stefan's journal and drive, and make out and drive. He's such a multi-tasker!

Hee, I loved that too.

So much SQUEE for this episode. For this show, in general, and especially for my OTP.

Yeah, this! So much this!
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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: Hawtbadboy_fangirl on October 14th, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
I have come back simply to address the IAN SOMERHALDER IS SO EFFING HOT thread because I somehow lost my head and forgot to comment on it before. But yes, I mean, I always like him, whatever they've done to his hair or whatever crazy he's got going on with his face, but he was unbelievably beautiful in this episode. It always helps when he's the most romantic BAMF that he can be, and he totally was, but he also just looked...so good. So well put together. Such a nice contrast with Stefan.

So that's all; nothing productive going on here, just admiring the pretty.
Maeve: TVD: Cuddlemarble_rose on October 14th, 2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
Just commenting to say that I agree completely and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. :D

whatever crazy he's got going on with his face

*sporfle*
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I am of the stars, I am called forever: Celebs: Steven/ Michael steph2311 on October 14th, 2011 09:17 pm (UTC)
I have a proper eternal love for this episode- I had been wondering whether as Tyler is a wolf, is he eternal? And now that doesn't bloody matter anymore so he and Caroline can live on together. SQUEEEEEE

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your thoughs on this episode.

OMG Jeremy/ Kat scenes. Whoop!
Arabian: Jeremy01arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:35 pm (UTC)
Well, if he's a vampire, then yeah he's gotta be eternal. Eh, not so happy with Tyler/Caroline because I don't really care for them, or him all that terribly much and part of what I loved with Caroline and Stefan is that he could be forever with her, while Tyler couldn't. So, blech! Sorry, not a T/C fan.

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your thoughs on this episode.

Thank you. Sorry, I can't be happy about T/C though. :(
ancholiaancholia on October 14th, 2011 09:53 pm (UTC)
I wasn't feeling well today so I will have to watch the episode again but I after your review I realized something. We know there can be loopholes in compulsion and I found one with Klaus' compulsion of Stefan: he ordered him to turn it off BUT it didn't forbid him to turn his emotions on so he should be able to. That's it if he wants to.
Well that was my two cents. Wonderful and very complete review as usual.
Arabian: Damon & Elena14arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:36 pm (UTC)
We know there can be loopholes in compulsion and I found one with Klaus' compulsion of Stefan: he ordered him to turn it off BUT it didn't forbid him to turn his emotions on so he should be able to. That's it if he wants to.

Hmm, very interesting. Yeah, like I said, even if I originally got the wording so wrong, I still liked how it was done.

Wonderful and very complete review as usual.

Thank you. :)
vanimy: Elenavanimy on October 14th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
I don't have anything interesting to say except I LOVE YOUR POST AND AGREE WITH YOU ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.

This episode was made of awesome and Delena made my shipper heart literally melt. I love the fact they can do that with two subtle scenes. My ship is epic, dammit. I also loved Vulnerable!Damon who only shows up when he's with Elena. And I'm totally with you on Ian/Nina playing their characters so well.

I didn't mind Stelena because as someone else said they're interesting when they face some obstacles.

Yet... I can't help but be a little bummed we only get fully Rippah!Stefan because of compulsion. But Stefan channeling S1!Damon is going to be so much fun to watch!

I loved Klaus and Matt this episode too. I love how this show can make me change my mind about characters with one episode.

I think Mikael isn't an original, he opened his eyes as soon as Katherine opened the coffin and he was restrained with chains - without a dagger. Mmh...

I like Forwood but I think Caroline and Tyler work better when they have obstacles too, the happy moments don't work for me either. I think there's going to be a twist for Tyler, it was too easy.
Arabian: Caroline05arabian on October 14th, 2011 11:39 pm (UTC)
This episode was made of awesome and Delena made my shipper heart literally melt.

I know, right? I was SUCH a puddle. SUCH. A. PUDDLE!

My ship is epic, dammit.

Yes.

I didn't mind S/E because as someone else said they're interesting when they face some obstacles.

Eh, I ALWAYS mind them now. Season 02 REALLY killed any non-loathing I might have ever had for them.

I can't help but be a little bummed we only get fully Rippah!Stefan because of compulsion.

I still maintain that such was COMPLETELY necessary to be able to bring him back into the fold someday. A Stefan who chose to go ripper just because he was emo would have been pretty unforgivable in my book.

I think Mikael isn't an original, he opened his eyes as soon as Katherine opened the coffin and he was restrained with chains - without a dagger. Mmh...

Yeah, mridul777 mentioned that above. You guys are totally right.

Eh, you know how I feel about Tyler and Caroline. Blech. Re: Tyler, I think there's a possibility that Tyler is going to start to get more and more towards the dark side and is either going to go completely bad down the line, or head towards it and then sacrifice himself nobly and die in the end. I dunno, it's just something I think is possible.
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eolivet on October 15th, 2011 12:39 pm (UTC)
WOOO HOOOO, thank you for reminding me it of UBER-ROMANTIC GESTURE WEEK!!! :D Oh, Damon!!! Oh, Elena!!! :) Oh, that music!!! So well-shot and well-done. I had no idea how Damon knew to get to the hospital either, but maybe he just has a sixth sense when it comes to Elena...

I'm kinda frustrated/jealous that these two are getting so much giddy happiness, and I'm just waiting, waiting, waiting for my couple to FINALLY get there.

Aww, but that's the Act I finale. I'd be suspicious of any couple who's in a happy, lovey-dovey state now (and actually, this ep was the first time I just didn't care at all about Caroline/Tyler...I liked them so much more as an angsty [surprise, surprise] star-crossed couple than a...y'know...actual one. :/ They just don't have the...foundation to keep me interested. IDK -- they got them together too soon!!)

But heh, they very well could be chemistry testing Matt/Bonnie. That'd be an interesting pairing...especially if Jeremy gets involved in the ghost world (speaking of...how was he able to hear Anna again? I thought he shut that off in the last ep? I'm confused...)

I LOVE your point about Damon not even blinking when confronted with Elena's blood...I TOTALLY missed that. :D Aww, yay! Contrast with Stefan's "I want your blood SO MUCH and I WON'T BE ABLE TO STOP!!!"

Also second your praise for the brilliant plotting -- where the Original witch hates Klaus so much, she tells him the opposite of what has to happen with the doppelganger. Hee! :p The plot twists, I swear...one of the things where TVD is second to none. :D And they always make sense.

"The End of the Affair" is still my favorite, but you know me and only including the most talented cast, acting-wise (see also: my love of "Klaus" :) -- but this is definitely my second fave of the season. :D Wheeeee!!! :)

That hospital scene...OMG!!!! :D Sigh. :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on October 17th, 2011 11:11 pm (UTC)
Oh, Damon!!! Oh, Elena!!! :) Oh, that music!!! So well-shot and well-done.

I see stuff like that and I'm like how can it not be so obvious to everyone else that CLEARLY they are doing D/E as endgame. Clearly. And then I read annoying stuff where critics/bloggers talk as if it's obviously Stefan/Elena forever. And I'm like UGGH!

Sorry.

I had no idea how Damon knew to get to the hospital either, but maybe he just has a sixth sense when it comes to Elena...

Heh, I was actually thinking of the fact that Damon knew Elena was at the boarding house in AILD, so I'll go with that. Hee.

They just don't have the...foundation to keep me interested.

Yup.

That'd be an interesting pairing...especially if Jeremy gets involved in the ghost world

I like Jeremy and Bonnie, though, so this saddens me.

(speaking of...how was he able to hear Anna again?

Well, I just thought that it was that Jeremy specifically chose to shut her out, but all he'd have to do is call for her for her to show up again, and, I guess that was the case.

I LOVE your point about Damon not even blinking when confronted with Elena's blood...I TOTALLY missed that. :D Aww, yay! Contrast with Stefan's "I want your blood SO MUCH and I WON'T BE ABLE TO STOP!!!"

Exactly. How can people not see all of this obvious, in your face moments/things that show Damon/Elena-ness and still say that they're obviously never going there with them. Ugh. (Again)

The plot twists, I swear...one of the things where TVD is second to none. :D And they always make sense.

Yuppers. :)

I prefer this one because we got such significant D/E, and as much as I love the show overall, I really feel that they dropped the ball in not highlighting D/E much more than they have. As good as EotA was, it didn't have any meaningful Damon/Elena-ness, this one did. So it wins. Plus, this was the first episode this season where I didn't have any misgivings that I had to work through at the end of the episode.

That hospital scene...OMG!!!! :D Sigh. :)

Oh, yes!
flyingfishflyingfish1 on October 16th, 2011 04:26 am (UTC)
This episode was so much better than last week's! I'm glad it's back on track again.

Elena told Stefan she loved him as almost a last resort.
I couldn't even recall her saying she loved him, so it obviously didn't stand out to me at all--it wasn't stressed as much--but I do remember her saying, "You love me." They made a bigger deal about that. As you say, making it more an issue of Stefan's love for her than hers for him.

He wasn't able to fight Klaus' compulsion. His love for Elena, their great love, wasn't strong enough.
Yes. That's key. Elena clearly thought it would be, thought that love would be enough to Save Him--the way she was yelling at him made it clear she thought it was obvious that love would be enough, and that she didn't understand why he wasn't agreeing with her--but she was wrong. I wonder if that's part of the reason she's so broken up at the end of the episode--because her belief in the power of love has had a sledgehammer taken to it.

On the other end of the spectrum, there was Damon. Who, unlike Stefan, was easily able to resist her blood.
Hmm, I wouldn't say that they were exactly equivalent, just because we've never seen Damon struggling with his bloodlust the way we have Stefan, but yes, the contrast was striking, wasn't it? He was looking at her blood with only academic interest, like he was trying to figure out what Klaus wanted with it. Not because he wanted it himself.

Re: the necklace, it was Elena rejecting a symbol of her romance with Stefan in the context of a D/E scene (such a wonderful, tender scene it was, too). I love the theory that it's much more of a D/E symbol now.

Damon promising to never leave Elena's side made her smile.
Yes!! And it's a major moment for me because it's such a contrast from her reactions to his other declarations of love/devotion ("I will always choose you"/"I want you to remember..." etc) where she always looked at least a little worried/upset/unsure how to deal with the situation. Not this time. This time it's exactly what she needs to hear and she's holding on to it for all she's worth.

re: Klaus compelling Stefan--I'm torn. I like it for the "Love isn't as powerful as you think, Elena" angle, I really don't like it for the "not getting to see him make his own choices" angle. But I'm trying to resist feeling too disappointed since you never know what clever twists the writers have up their sleeves.



re: Damon hitting Jeremy--what I loved was that later on, Damon was worrying that Jeremy might have a concussion and urging him to stay awake. No overt apology, but some medical advice! Oh, Damon <3

how did Damon even know to go to the hospital?
Lol, I wondered that too! He tracked down Klaus in the hospital parking lot so I guess it was clear to him that she was in there, but as for how he found Klaus... who knows!

now we know that the new house guest who annoys Damon is Stefan
I know! It's going to be so much fun!
Arabian: Damon05arabian on October 17th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
This episode was so much better than last week's! I'm glad it's back on track again.

That is one thing I love about this show. Even their weak episodes really aren't that weak, and next week, we generally jump back into awesome.

I couldn't even recall her saying she loved him, so it obviously didn't stand out to me at all--it wasn't stressed as much--but I do remember her saying, "You love me." They made a bigger deal about that. As you say, making it more an issue of Stefan's love for her than hers for him.

Exactly, I kept waiting for her to say it which is why I noticed it when she did, but it really was one of the last things she said and it just, well, it just didn't have much weight of love to it. It was all about his love for her ... which of course wasn't strong enough.

Yes. That's key. Elena clearly thought it would be, thought that love would be enough to Save Him--the way she was yelling at him made it clear she thought it was obvious that love would be enough, and that she didn't understand why he wasn't agreeing with her--but she was wrong.

It's interesting, some pessimistic Damon/Elena fans think that I'm totally wrong that I'm focusing on the fact that he wasn't able to resist and she wasn't saved from him and Klaus, but rather that he tried to fight it and had to be compelled. However, when at least half of the reviewers that I read picked up on that as well -- and they almost NEVER pick up on the signs that Stefan/Elena just might not be the be all-end all -- I knew I was right.

I wonder if that's part of the reason she's so broken up at the end of the episode--because her belief in the power of love has had a sledgehammer taken to it.

Re: Damon/Stefan resisting blood Hmm, I wouldn't say that they were exactly equivalent, just because we've never seen Damon struggling with his bloodlust the way we have Stefan, but yes, the contrast was striking, wasn't it?

That's my point. It wasn't about Stefan's inability to resist, and Damon's ability to resist, it was about Elena's blood and they made SUCH a huge contrast there.

t's a major moment for me because it's such a contrast from her reactions to his other declarations of love/devotion ("I will always choose you"/"I want you to remember..." etc) where she always looked at least a little worried/upset/unsure how to deal with the situation. Not this time. This time it's exactly what she needs to hear and she's holding on to it for all she's worth.

Exactly. Someone said above (or below?) that season 2 Elena would not have responded that way, but this time, his declaration is what cheered her up, is what gave her hope and made her smile. *sigh*

re: Klaus compelling Stefan--I'm torn. I like it for the "Love isn't as powerful as you think, Elena" angle, I really don't like it for the "not getting to see him make his own choices" angle. But I'm trying to resist feeling too disappointed since you never know what clever twists the writers have up their sleeves.</i>

I still don't understand how he could have made that choice himself and ever be viable as a good character again. To decide to go full ripper -- knowing how horrific he is as such -- just because it's too much for him, he's too emo, would just be way, way too far a line for the character to cross. This way, we still have the bad stuff he's done pre-compulsion, and the others will get to see that Stefan's not a saint, and Damon's not evil himself. It evens the playing field basically.

re: Damon hitting Jeremy--what I loved was that later on, Damon was worrying that Jeremy might have a concussion and urging him to stay awake. No overt apology, but some medical advice! Oh, Damon <3

Aww, I didn't even pick up on that. I love that! :)

Re: Damon going to the hospital ... I've decided that his psychic sense with regards to Elena kicked in. (Remember he knew she was at the boarding house in AILD, LOL!)
Heather-Annlinsell_farm on October 16th, 2011 06:45 pm (UTC)
My thinky thoughts are a bit wordy ;)
Another curse-free new TVD Thursday.

Yay! I'm glad that trend got interrupted for you, Jenn. Hope things continue to be better for you.

Yes! This was such a wonderful, wonderful episode (and such a relief after the last one).

WORD.

And that is the message we got. That Stefan's love for Elena wasn't enough.

Great insight!!! A strong message it was, as well. That's in keeping with the way the show seems to place greater emphasis on the result, but does show us the process that leads up to it. At the end of the day what matters (in my eyes) is that he fed on her.

In her mind, Damon is always there to save her, and he wasn't -- till the end -- this time.

I love that they showed just how much Elena's come to depend on Damon. The look on her face said just how inconceivable it was to her that he wasn't there, because up until this time, he ALWAYS has been.

After he promised her that, she smiled. Genuinely smiled. She nodded in agreement, and smiled.

This is definitely significant for both reasons you gave. It was so many levels of awesome to see Elena give that small but meaningful acknowledgement to Damon. It echoes the fact that Elena can get through to Damon when he's in the midst of a highly emotional reaction (like finding out Katherine was never in the tomb, and Rose's death). *sigh* I ship these two so very hard.

I just mean that the whole pure, us against the world twu wuv foreva crap they've been selling is over and in the past. Now it's a different ballgame.

ITA and Thank Heavens!!! I was ready for that transition awhile back. I have a feeling that I will enjoy the triangle much more now that SE interactions will have baggage and the balance overall has shifted to be much more level (as opposed to skewed towards one of the sides).

Here he's saying -- and it didn't come across as another attempt to land a barb, just fact -- that he never loved her that completely, that fully as he does Elena. To which I say: SQUEE!

I join you in your SQUEE! It was perfect that he stated it as fact (and not just landing a barb as you said).

the whole Klaus compels Stefan to turn it off.

I'm withholding judgement on this as I'm not quite sure how I feel about it yet. It was interesting how Klaus worded it. I wonder if he was referring to Stefan's humanity in general or his love for Elena specifically? I guess it doesn't matter much one way or the other. Klaus certainly seems to believe he's doing Stefan a favor and "fixing him". He found it interesting that Stefan's love for a human girl could rival his bloodlust, but in the end wanted to spare Stefan the torture that his humanity is causing him. Interesting.

Heather-Annlinsell_farm on October 16th, 2011 06:46 pm (UTC)
Re: My thinky thoughts are a bit wordy ;) Part 2
I'm kinda frustrated/jealous that these two are getting so much giddy happiness, and I'm just waiting, waiting, waiting for my couple to FINALLY get there.

I join you in this. My patience seems somewhat limited when it comes to my OTP. Not that I don't think that Caroline deserves to be happy, but I am still a tad mad at her after last weeks' episode.

*Sigh* I loved the mention of Pearl. And, aha!, now we know why Pearl was on Katherine's side; I always did wonder what the story was there. (Ooh, ooh, maybe we can haz a Pearl flashback, plz?!)

Word. We need to have Pearl back on our screens :D

FINALLY! Joseph Morgan did a fantastic job

ITA with all of this. He had some great lines and was overall just awesome. I may have to do a quotes post for this episode.

I want to offer up some praise for not only Nina Dobrev, but Ian Somerhalder here.

SO. MUCH. THIS.
Both Nina and Ian deserve kudos for their fantastic portrayal of their characters. Ian's portrayal of all of the many layers of Damon is definitely shown in how he reacts differently to Nina as Katherine than Nina as Elena. While watching the show, I forget that Katherine and Elena are played by the same actor. It's so obvious that both of them are totally committed to giving their very best performance every time out. That is admirable in my books.

Finally, THE most important thing about tonight's episode. THEY CUT DAMON'S HAIR! HALLELUJAH!! (And Ian Somerhalder was once more fully returned to his state of inhuman beauty. Thank you, thank you, thank you.)

Do I even need to say how very much I agree with this??? At long last they hair/makeup people used their brain ;)

And next week: Damon teaches Elena how to fight; ie, the number one excuse that shows use to get UST-filled couples all sweaty and up in each other's dance spaces. Oh yeah! I. Can. Not. Wait. :D

Is it Thursday yet??? I love how you think, Jenn, and even more how you expressed your thoughts :D
Re: My thinky thoughts are a bit wordy ;) Part 2 - arabian on October 17th, 2011 11:46 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: My thinky thoughts are a bit wordy ;) - arabian on October 17th, 2011 11:46 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Arabian: Katherine06arabian on October 17th, 2011 11:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Why did I think I already responded?
Me too. So far the episodes from best to worst this season go: 3x05, 3x03, 3x02, 3x01, and 3x04.

I'm not sure if I'd put 2 before 1, but I'm not sure. I rewatched 1 and 3, but not 2 and 4.

Very good point.

And at least half of the reviewers that I read picked up on that as well -- and they almost NEVER pick up on the signs that Stefan/Elena just might not be the be all-end all, so I take it that, yes, we were intended to get that.


I think this will come back both to motivate her that she needs to deal with reality (which seemed the end of the episode suggested she might be beginning to)

Hallelujah! This better not mean, though, that there is going to no acknowledgement of all of the awful stuff he's done prior to the switch off.

she needs to be able to take care of herself in some shape or form.

Yes. Next week looks like a good start to that!

I also like your earlier points about Stefan's love and the way Stefan looked at Elena. However, Stefan does seem a little off-put by Elena's denial this season (I feel like he really wants to yell "face the facts, Elena") but at the same time, I do think the way he has portrayed himself all along is why she has a hard time understanding the reality of the situation, and now playing a normal 17 year old with her for so long is coming back to haunt him.

Yup, and this is why I have continued hope that season 02's Stefan/Elena was pretty much laying the groundwork for everything that is actually wrong with that relationship, and we are seeing the results of that this season. I hope so anyway.

Damon has a hard time controlling his emotions not blood, Stefan on the other hand is just the opposite, he has problems with controlling blood not emotions.

So, so true. What a great point.

That's commitment and no calling Damon off, knowing how obssessive he is, yeah Elena smiling was BIG.

I KNOW!

I took it more as Anna hates Katherine (with very good reason) this is the first time she's seen Damon with Katherine supposedly, and even if she has before, they are now obviously working together and she is assuming just like in 1864 Damon is her little yes!man, and hates him by association. I think had it just been Damon and Jeremy there, she wouldn't have hated Damon at all.

Okay, that works for me. :)

I really liked Bonnie in this episode because my complaint has been they make her just a witch, and her she was very much a person AND saved someone without magic.

I know they tended to do that a lot in the beginning, but I think from the start of her relationship with Jeremy, and her involvement in save!Elena! she was portrayed just as much as a friend, a girlfriend, and a young woman who is growing into her own. Alas, I know a lot didn't see that, and for that reason, if nothing else, I was glad that we got an episode that highlighted the awesome of Bonnie without the magic.

On a quick note about Caroline/Tyler, I think things are going to go badly soon because how emphatically he told her everything was good now, and that usually spells utter disaster in tv land. That said I actually like them together. I like C/S more, but I don't think the show is going there just yet.

Other than liking them, because, yeah, I really don't now, I agree with all of this.
distant_autumn: Elena - Look by ebsolutelydistant_autumn on October 20th, 2011 06:19 pm (UTC)
Part 1
It was incredibly strong, incredibly layered, incredibly exciting, shocking, action-packed and yet offered some lovely character moments.

All of this! It was such a good episode.

Now I had noted during earlier in the episode that Elena told Stefan she loved him as almost a last resort. Everything prior to that had been based on Stefan's love for her.

I thought that was interesting, too. Because basically, you would've thought "I love you" would've been the first words out of her mouth and yet they really weren't. She sure as hell wasn't stood there talking about how it would always be him, you know?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Elena doesn't love Stefan, I believe she does, I believe she always will (whether it's as a former love remembering all they'd been through, or as a platonic love down the line), but right now, what is driving her is not love. Even in "The End of the Affair," her final scene with him while not as love-driven as attempts in the past to save him (namely in "Miss Mystic Falls" and "Blood Brothers" -- which were fairly drenched in love), comparatively speaking, it was still at least there. It just wasn't in these scenes, not from her end anyway.

Yeah, I agree with all of that. There's SO much other stuff that is driving Elena. And even for Stefan (as much as I totally agree about the love coming far more from him than Elena this season) I think the fact that he sees her as his tie to humanity makes it less about (romantic) love than it could be. It's not just about loving her (though of course he very much does) but about what she symbolises and the fact that if he lets go of her, he lets go of his humanity. In a lot of ways, it's less about romantic love than about clinging desperately to the idea of her, in the hopes that that can save him.

It was there from Stefan's, but that's almost become par for the course this season. Other than the scary look of love from Elena (AS SHE IS STANDING IN FROM OF HIS LONG LIST OF VICTIMS!), any saturated-with-love moment between the two has come from Stefan's end.

I agree. It's like that moment in 3.04 where there's this stark contrast between a Stefan who, when Gloria looks into his ~essence~, is filled with love for Elena, versus an Elena who at the same time is busy trying really, really hard to cling to her denial about her feelings for his brother.

His love for Elena, their great love, wasn't strong enough. For all that he fought to resist, in the end, he did not. He could not. And that is the message we got. That Stefan's love for Elena wasn't enough. Yes, he fought valiantly, and if the show wanted to key in on that, someone would have managed to come in and save Elena in time. Instead, it became about despite his best efforts to resist, he still fed on her.

Exactly. They had her say in 3.01, that if he just held onto her love, he'd be okay. He reiterated it here, that that's what had kept him holding on. And they made it very clear just how much he loved her and that he really was fighting with everything that he had left in him. And yet when it came right down to it, their love was not enough at all.

And the thing is, Stefan knew it. He did. Because if he'd truly believed otherwise, it would never, ever have come down to trying to stake himself or Klaus compelling him at the end there. If he'd been able to trust that his love was strong enough to overcome his nature, then he would've been able to drink from her and stop. But he knew he couldn't do that.

[Damon] unlike Stefan, was easily able to resist her blood. When he stood there holding the transfusion tube filled with her blood, the veins didn't pop out, his fangs didn't even emerge. He wasn't tempted enough for it to even count

And TBH, while I'm sure there was some temptation there (because hey, vampire) in that moment he seemed far more concerned and contemplative than anything else.

This was in stark contrast to Stefan who desperately informed Elena even as he was fighting it so terribly that he wanted to drink her blood. He wanted it so much.

Absolutely. And not just then, but always, since right back to the pilot where he kept losing control around her.
Arabian: Elena01arabian on October 20th, 2011 09:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 1
I thought that was interesting, too. Because basically, you would've thought "I love you" would've been the first words out of her mouth and yet they really weren't. [...] There's SO much other stuff that is driving Elena.

I agree; and I can't help but think we CAN'T be wrong to believe that the show is telling us something here that only a few of us are picking up re: S/E. On the other hand, it does worry me that it appears to be so few of us because I don't want to be on the losing end again, especially one where the story so clearly is dictating that Damon/Elena be endgame, and they are by far THE most popular pairing. There is NO reason they shouldn't be endgame, and shouldn't be more likely to be considered endgame at this point by more critics, viewers, etc., but the overwhelming conclusion that so many others still cling to is that, well, of course, it's S/E. *Sigh*

even for Stefan [...] I think the fact that he sees her as his tie to humanity makes it less about (romantic) love than it could be.

Yeah, I see that too. And the way they were throwing his love for her around in that conversation it sounded, I don't know, almost like it was a burden -- him thinking so, her frustrated about that.

if he lets go of her, he lets go of his humanity

And if that's what he thinks, that's bullshit because then what the hell was Lexi?

In a lot of ways, it's less about romantic love than about clinging desperately to the idea of her, in the hopes that that can save him.

Which is just WRONG. One of the things I love about Damon/Elena is that it's not Elena that is saving Damon, he's fighting her and what she represents because he's not ready to go there. He knows that, accepts that and gets that when he does make that choice (as he is somewhat doing bit by bit), it has to be HIS choice. On the other hand, Stefan is RELYING on Elena to be the choice FOR him. And it doesn't, can't work that way or it will never be stick.

It's like that moment in 3.04 where there's this stark contrast between a Stefan who, when Gloria looks into his ~essence~, is filled with love for Elena, versus an Elena who at the same time is busy trying really, really hard to cling to her denial about her feelings for his brother.

Hmm, interesting contrast there you found.

Exactly. They had her say in 3.01, that if he just held onto her love, he'd be okay. He reiterated it here, that that's what had kept him holding on. And they made it very clear just how much he loved her and that he really was fighting with everything that he had left in him. And yet when it came right down to it, their love was not enough at all.

Which is why I don't understand some Damon/Elena pessimists thinking it was all about their great love. When more than half of the almost uniformly-blind (to the S/E unhealthy undertones, D/E endgamey-ness) reviewers picked up on that, it was VERY obvious.

TBH, while I'm sure there was some temptation there (because hey, vampire) in that moment he seemed far more concerned and contemplative than anything else.

Me too. He didn't seem like he was tempted at all.

Re: Stefan unable to stop -- And not just then, but always, since right back to the pilot where he kept losing control around her.

The only time Damon seemed even remotely tempted was in "Haunted," and that was possibly the first real time he thought of Elena as in a sexual/vampiric way, and even then, it's still a matter of interpretation because I only get this from his "You're bleeding, you need to leave," and the tone of his voice. He didn't fang out or anything. Whereas, yeah, Stefan can NOT control himself. If either of the two brothers should be with a human, it's definitely Damon and NOT Stefan.
Re: Part 1 - distant_autumn on October 21st, 2011 01:16 am (UTC) (Expand)
distant_autumn: Elena - What? by imaginary_livesdistant_autumn on October 20th, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
Part 2
Klaus told Stefan the only thing stronger than his need for blood was his love for Elena, but it was still such a huge struggle for him, and once Klaus told him to let go, he gave right in and drank.

Yeah. In the end, it wasn't enough. And you know, the love various characters have had for each other has survived flipped switches before now. So presumably, somewhere very deep down, Stefan still feels it. But with the switch flipped, he still just instantly drank.

the last shot of Stefan and Elena (prior to nonchalant Ripper Stefan who barely noticed Elena) showed him viciously attacking her, and drinking her blood. That was followed shortly thereafter by swells of music beginning as Damon entered Elena's hospital room, removing the tubes, barely moved by her blood, Elena saying his name, him picking her up, and carrying her away all damsel-in-distress like with the back-shot of him taking her to safety.

The contrast really couldn't have been any greater, could it? Also, I'm just going to go ahead and be a dick about this. She has to push Stefan to get him actively fighting. Repeat: she has to PUSH him into trying to save her damn life, because his first reaction is that there's nothing he can do. I mean, I get why he felt it was hopeless but at the same time, that is a hell of a thing to get instantly defeatist about. Meanwhile, Damon will walk directly through Klaus with nothing but the sheer determination to get to her and get her to safety (or die trying) and he will MAKE that shit happen. And he does.

Considering that the last episode began with Damon calling it a symbol of her unbreakable bond with Stefan, and now she clearly doesn't even want it is telling.

Wasn't it just? Right now, she really does seem to consider that bond broken. (Not that that will last, obviously. But it was still a very interesting moment.) And oh, that Damon keeps on offering Stefan (via that necklace) back to her time after time, that he did it even after this, because he believed she'd still want it. It's so telling in terms of how much he loves her and just wants her to have what she wants and be happy.

Similar to when she told Damon she didn't want to forget any of it, any of what Stefan had done.

And after all that time being so determined NOT to know the things Stefan has done, that seemed like real progress.

In her mind, Damon is always there to save her

That's exactly what she thinks. It's so telling, this unconscious reliance on him.

I was bothered that there was no acknowledgement that Damon wasn't there because she, Alaric and Caroline made it clear he wasn't very welcome in Mystic Falls at the moment.

But do you think she truly gets why he took off? Because I don't think she does.

Damon is able to make Elena smile. And he is the only one we've ever seen be able to do this on a regular basis.

He really is and especially given what her life is usually like, I think that's pretty damn important.

Damon's promise to stay by her side forever made her happy ... even after the horror of what had just happened with Stefan.

God, I know. I loved that little smile she managed at the end there. Gah.

the final Damon/Elena scene that positioned them in the present and the future. ("I promise I will never leave you.")

Absolutely.



Arabian: Elena03arabian on October 20th, 2011 10:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 2
the love various characters have had for each other has survived flipped switches before now. So presumably, somewhere very deep down, Stefan still feels it. But with the switch flipped, he still just instantly drank.

Yup. He's shut down the love part, but it's still there ... and it wasn't strong enough to rear its head and stop him. And you know he only stopped because Klaus needed Elena alive.

Re: Stefan biting Elena vs. Damon rescuing her -- The contrast really couldn't have been any greater, could it?

Nope, yet, we're the crazy ones for thinking that this is signalling significance for Damon and Elena.

Also, I'm just going to go ahead and be a dick about this. She has to push Stefan to get him actively fighting.

You're completely wrong. Once again, Elena's life is on the line, and Stefan's response is a metaphorical shrug. Eh, what can you do? Seriously. Gah! How is anything about their relationship epic? Oh, wait, I got it -- it is an epic fail.

Damon will walk directly through Klaus with nothing but the sheer determination to get to her and get her to safety (or die trying) and he will MAKE that shit happen. And he does.

Well, Damon makes shit happen. Stefan makes phone calls. Or shrugs.

Right now, she really does seem to consider that bond broken.

Yuppers.

(Not that that will last, obviously.)

Oh, if only.

Damon keeps on offering Stefan [...]t's so telling in terms of how much he loves her and just wants her to have what she wants and be happy.

*sigh* I know. His love is so true and unselfish, I don't get how everyone can NOT see it.

It's so telling, this unconscious reliance on him.

Yeah, now let's start getting some CONSCIOUS stuff here, folks. LOL!

Re: no acknowledgement -- But do you think she truly gets why he took off? Because I don't think she does.

No, she didn't, but it bothers me because it will never be addressed. It will just be that selfish Damon took off, not that he was pushed to it by the disregard, ungratitude and general, overall, shitty atittude he gets from the lot of them. Can you tell this sticks in my craw?

He really is [able to make Elena smile] and especially given what her life is usually like, I think that's pretty damn important.

Me too. And I DO believe that they really have made a noted effort in pointing this out A LOT.

[the final Damon/Elena scene that positioned them in the present and the future. ("I promise I will never leave you.") ]

Absolutely.


It did, right? It's not just my Damon/Elena-shipper glasses firmly on tight?
Re: Part 2 - distant_autumn on October 21st, 2011 12:36 am (UTC) (Expand)
distant_autumn: Bonnie - floating feathers by snaggingdistant_autumn on October 20th, 2011 06:38 pm (UTC)
Part 3
Anything with them is going to have a LOT more baggage now, and Damon and his utterly unselfish, unwavering love of Elena will be in the forefront.

Yup! I have no doubts that the show is nowhere near done with S/E yet (unfortunately) but I think it's definitely very clear that Stefan was right a couple of episodes ago when he said it can never be the same. It can't.

Last week, we had Stefan and Katherine where despite his repudiation of her, Stefan still showed he cared about her and had more energy interacting with her than we'd seen from him in ages.

Agreed! And I loved that they straight-up pointed out that he totally was worried about her safety, despite himself.

I knew that we definitely got our closure last season and that Damon was so over her. Thank you for reconfirming that, show. :)

Yeah, it was like "well, now that Damon is having a tough time of it, would he like to reconsider?" And the answer was a resounding NO. Hee. And I'm just saying, not for nothing did both brothers spend this episode getting tempted by people they have a history with, whose names both begin with K, who both wanted them to be loyal to them instead of Elena. And we know the very different ways it turned out for them, don't we?

I am still annoyed (?) frustrated (?) that Stefan has killed, is killing, etc. and we are still getting no fall-out, reaction to that from Elena. I mean, I suppose we got a tiny bit with the near-look of disgust on her face thinking about the events of the night, but still.

It will not surprise you at all to hear that I am right there with you. And I don't just want that from Elena, I want it from all of them.

interesting -- and this could just be my hopeful delusion speaking -- that Rebekah spent so much time interacting with Caroline than she did with Elena.

I thought it was interesting too. They did link her up with Caroline, thus making their physical resemblance more obvious than ever. And I don't think it's just the physical thing; even the jealousy of Elena is an incredibly amped up version of how Caroline used to feel. Paralleling a woman Stefan used to love with Caroline does strike me as interesting, so it's not just you! :)

Yes, I will grab onto anything that points to Caroline and Stefan as endgame.

And I love you for it! :D

I was gratified to see so much jealousy in evidence about Elena ("the other doppelganger was prettier") because that tells me that the Stefan/Rebekah angle is not over. To which I say: YAY!

Agreed! That and I identify a little too much with her lack of patience over S/E. I'm not saying it was my most mature moment ever, but I found it weirdly cathartic to have a character doing things like watching an onscreen countdown to their end, or looking at a picture and saying VOMIT. Hee.

It was like [by compelling him] Klaus was giving Stefan what he wanted.

Despite my ongoing reservations about the compulsion, I really liked it from a Klaus perspective. Because in addition to his own desire for Stefan to flip the switch, it really did feel like he wanted it for Stefan as well. For him to let go of all that guilt and pain that was dragging him down and feel better, feel happy; be fixed. And like he knew that in some ways, Stefan really did want that as well, despite the things that were stopping him actually doing it.

I did not like Anna hating on Damon too. Come on, the last time she saw him, he clearly wanted to save her life. Come on! Really?!

Yeah, I took it as a sign of something being not quite right with Anna (or if she is on the level, a misdirect to suggest something is off with her), because otherwise that line makes no sense to me at all. Hating on Katherine? Understandable. Damon, given how they left things between them? No. Not at all.





Arabian: Jeremy01arabian on October 20th, 2011 11:09 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 3
Yup! I have no doubts that the show is nowhere near done with S/E yet (unfortunately)

I agree, and it drives me insane. It's not like they are popular. They really, really are not, and it's frustrating that we spent TWO SEASONS that pretty much glorified them non-stop except for a few of us who saw the issues. The ratings kept dropping, and now we finally have a reasonable, believable way for why they are done ... and yet, you know, we are so not. And it drives me crazy. Ugh.

but I think it's definitely very clear that Stefan was right a couple of episodes ago when he said it can never be the same. It can't.

I hope to God that it means they realize sooner rather than later that they don't/can't work romantically. Please, please, please.

it was like "well, now that Damon is having a tough time of it, would he like to reconsider?" And the answer was a resounding NO. Hee.

Yup!

I don't just want [acknowledgement about Stefan's pre-compulsion actions] from Elena, I want it from all of them.

Honestly, until we know for sure that the others DO know (cuz we don't yet), then I'm fine with nothing from them. But Elena? I need it, show.

They did link [Rebekah] up with Caroline, thus making their physical resemblance more obvious than ever. And I don't think it's just the physical thing; even the jealousy of Elena is an incredibly amped up version of how Caroline used to feel. Paralleling a woman Stefan used to love with Caroline does strike me as interesting, so it's not just you! :)

Ooh, I liked that added bit that adds to my dreams of Caroline/Stefan! :D

I identify a little too much with [Rebekah's] lack of patience over S/E.

Uh, yeah! Me too. :)

I'm not saying it was my most mature moment ever, but I found it weirdly cathartic to have a character doing things like watching an onscreen countdown to their end, or looking at a picture and saying VOMIT. Hee.

Oh, Rebekah, I knew there was a reason I loved you despite your bratty ways. :)

in addition to [Klaus'] own desire for Stefan to flip the switch, it really did feel like he wanted it for Stefan as well. For him to let go of all that guilt and pain that was dragging him down and feel better, feel happy; be fixed. And like he knew that in some ways, Stefan really did want that as well, despite the things that were stopping him actually doing it.

Because he's in lurve!

I took it as a sign of something being not quite right with Anna (or if she is on the level, a misdirect to suggest something is off with her), because otherwise that line makes no sense to me at all. Hating on Katherine? Understandable. Damon, given how they left things between them? No. Not at all.

While I'd like to believe that -- although, I do think things are fishy with Anna, I kinda think it's probably the same case as Caroline inexplicably hating on Damon non-stop after no sign that things were bad between them. It's like the writers are just used to everyone but Elena and Ric (sniff,sniff) hating on Damon, that they figure they can just throw in some Damon hate now and then to appease the haters. Although, I did like the suggestion that her attitude came more from seeing him with Katherine, but, I go back to my issue with last week, we shouldn't have to work to figure these things out. Grr.
Re: Part 3 - distant_autumn on October 21st, 2011 12:37 am (UTC) (Expand)
distant_autumn: Damon - shadowed by imaginary_livesdistant_autumn on October 20th, 2011 06:44 pm (UTC)
Part 4
1. Damon did tell him it wasn't personal to begin with.
2. Jeremy totally seemed to get that, sure he called Damon a dick, but he also didn't really seem all that upset with him. So, erm, yay?


I loved how much Jeremy just rolled with everything that happened, bless him. And yeah, I thought he got where Damon was coming from and wasn't all that bothered about it, too. (And even though some of it was mean, I loved their interaction here.)

I think the writer of this episode (Michael Narducci) likes the possibility of the Damon/Jeremy dynamic because the last two episodes he wrote [...] were the only episodes that featured one-on-one Jeremy/Damon interaction since the fifth episode of last season.

Oh, good point! And yeah, he can totally continue with this pattern. I approve!

[2.18] featured not only a magically kick-ass Bonnie, but a warm, brave, empathetic Bonnie who was smart and pretty dang awesome, showing off not just her ability, but also had some fantastic character moments with Jeremy, Elena and Damon. And, again, in this episode we had a totally awesome Bonnie, even without her magic on display. I loved, loved, loved her choosing to side with Caroline's positive point of view, her running like mad to save Matt, pulling him from the water and saving him, and then her telling him that what he did was stupid and reckless, but in such a warm, understanding tone.

I am in so, SO much agreement with all of this. And thinking about it, a lot of the same stuff came out in 2.22, which as you mention elsewhere he co-wrote. I feel like Narducci loves all the same things about Bonnie that I do and that he takes it and puts every aspect of it on screen. I love love love how he writes her. And you know what else I love? That after his episodes, some of the people who don't normally love her seem to see how awesome she is. Basically, he needs to stick around and keep writing awesome episodes like this.

Heh, the look on Jeremy's face when Damon announced that Bonnie was texting him. Funny.

Hee, I know!

Okay, so, erm, how did Damon even know to go to the hospital?

Through the power of love, obviously. Hee. Seriously, I got nothin'.

Speaking of Matt ... DUDE! I can NOT believe he did that. But then I can, he is so lost, feels so alone and he never even got the chance to say goodbye to Vicki, and yet she's talking to Jeremy. It was stupid, it was reckless, but it was also kind of awesome too.

Yup, all of this! I thought they did a great job of getting us into his headspace and making us understand why he would take such a risk. I really did enjoy him a lot this episode.

I gotta say, I am not a Vicki fan, Matt is my least favorite regular/recurring character on the show now, but damn, if that final Matt/Vicki scene didn't get me teary-eyed. "Hi, Matty." {Sobs}

I am a Vicki fan, but feel the same re: Matt and totally agree about that scene. I had no idea I cared that much about their relationship, but it really, REALLY got to me. I was mush.

So Tyler is a hybrid now. Is it bad that I'm disappointed because (like so many others in fandom) I wanted it to be Damon somehow, LOL? Ah well.

NGL, I thought the same thing. I get why they went with Tyler, but yeah.

About Tyler and Caroline, yeah, I'll admit it that it's completely petty, but I'm kinda frustrated/jealous that these two are getting so much giddy happiness

Well, I strongly suspect it's all going to go directly to hell now he's all hybrid-y, if it makes you feel any better! ;)

unlike with Stefan and Elena, Caroline actually brings out the best in Tyler and that's a big step up!

This is very true and also, he's someone she loves who actually gets how awesome she is. Which hasn't often been the case in the past for poor Caroline.

now we know that the new house guest who annoys Damon is Stefan, and to that, so much hee. I can't wait.

Hee, poor Damon doesn't have much luck with house guests, does he? Which is only fair, given that he's done the same thing himself.
Arabian: Damon13arabian on October 20th, 2011 11:19 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 4
Re: Bonnie -- I am in so, SO much agreement with all of this. And thinking about it, a lot of the same stuff came out in 2.22, which as you mention elsewhere he co-wrote. I feel like Narducci loves all the same things about Bonnie that I do and that he takes it and puts every aspect of it on screen. I love love love how he writes her. And you know what else I love? That after his episodes, some of the people who don't normally love her seem to see how awesome she is. Basically, he needs to stick around and keep writing awesome episodes like this.

Agreed; he really seems to be able to highlight Bonnie's awesome so that even non-Bonnie-lovers see it. :)

Re: Damon at the hospital -- Through the power of love, obviously. Hee. Seriously, I got nothin'.

Actually, I've decided he's psychic about Elena. That's how he knew. He did know she was there at the boarding house in 2.22.

Re: T/C happiness -- Well, I strongly suspect it's all going to go directly to hell now he's all hybrid-y, if it makes you feel any better! ;)

Yeah, I get that, I guess I'm just frustrated because Damon and Elena have almost exclusively ONLY got the angst, while every other couple has gotten a shitload of happy-happy, joy-joy, which better damn well mean that Damon and Elena ARE endgame and we WILL get that as the show continues and heads towards the end.

Hee, poor Damon doesn't have much luck with house guests, does he? Which is only fair, given that he's done the same thing himself.

When was he ever really a bad houseguest? Even in season 1, he was cleaning up the place.
Re: Part 4 - distant_autumn on October 21st, 2011 12:36 am (UTC) (Expand)
distant_autumn: DE - Kiss - by electrical_sdistant_autumn on October 20th, 2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
Part 5
I loved the mention of Pearl. And, aha!, now we know why Pearl was on Katherine's side; I always did wonder what the story was there. (Ooh, ooh, maybe we can haz a Pearl flashback, plz?!)

That mention made me SO happy! Pearl ♥! And I really, really hope so. They do seem to like to remind the audience of characters in advance, then bring them back in some fashion. So, fingers crossed for a flashback or her turning up as a ghost!

Damnit, they killed "Not now, Dana."

IKR? I was oddly sad about that! The second I saw her, I knew it was inevitable she wasn't going to make it through the episode, but still.

Hah, Rebekah is such a brat. Tis amusing.

Isn't she great? I continue to love her. "VOMIT." "The original was prettier." "Consider me jealous." Oh Rebekah, ILU.

So Mikael is an original, yes, but which original is he? Hmm... I don't think it's the father now. Another brother?

Yeah, I was wondering that as well. Not least because I think they're working a whole biblical naming thing (which seems to be continuing with Esther), and I feel like there's a very rough sense of Klaus being the fallen angel i.e. lucifer (hence the keeping using the 'Nik' part of his name recently, with Nick obviously being a nickname for the devil). Therefore it makes sense to me that Mikael = archangel Michael, who was loyal to god, i.e. the father. IDK if this is making any sense at all, but what I'm thinking is that Klaus killed Daddy, and Mikael is the loyal son fighting against Klaus. IDK, somebody who knows way more about this stuff might very well laugh their arse off at my interpretation of this, but that's part of why I'm wondering about Mikael being a brother.

Having said all of which, in terms of the ages of the actors, Sebastian Roché looks a comparable age to Alice Evans. So IDK, he maybe he is Daddy Original.

So, uhm, erm, are they chemistry-testing Bonnie and Matt? *Sigh* I can sorta see something happening because Jeremy is all caught up in this Anna/Vicki stuff, and Matt and Bonnie find themselves turning to the other

It did feel like chemistry-testing, didn't it? Especially because in addition to all their scenes, there was that completely random photo of them cuddled up on Caroline's phone. However, having said that, didn't they talk about getting back into the C/T/M triangle later in the season? So maybe they really are just going to keep them in the friendship zone, at least for now.

I think Jeremy might stick with Katherine as long as he can because it finally allows him to be a part of it all significantly, and he's wanted that since the start of last season ... badly.

Oh, that's a very good point! I have to admit, I'd like to see more of their strange little partnership.

So, Stefan answered my question from the premiere. Yes, rippers are just rippers, it's not a special nickname just for Stefan. [info]butterfly said to me that it's clearly just Damon believing that Stefan is special. Aww.

Ha, that is a super cute interpretation! Love it.

What a brilliant, and utterly reasonable (well, for a supernatural show, hee) way to have Klaus not want to kill Elena.

IKR? Klaus now having to be invested in Elena's safety is creepily brilliant.

Also, yeah, we got confirmation from Klaus that he promised Stefan he wouldn't kill Damon thus his still living. :)

I feel like there's a bit of a discrepancy going on there, though. Like, he didn't make that promise back in 2.22 and Stefan believed that Klaus was going to go take Damon out in 3.01. And as poor Elijah and the dagger in his chest can attest, Klaus is very good at finding loopholes in his promises. Now, probably that slight discrepancy comes from the writers just wanting to give a reason for Klaus not instantly killing Damon and hoping we'll just handwave the slight shift. But I do wonder if there's the slight possibility that something else us going on there and for whatever reason (even if only that he really does understand how important Damon is to Stefan and doesn't want to hurt Stefan like that unless he really has to) Klaus doesn't actually want to kill Damon.



Arabian: Stefan04arabian on October 20th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 5
Re: "Not now, Dana." -- IKR? I was oddly sad about that

Many of us were sad. ;(

Isn't she great? I continue to love her. "VOMIT." "The original was prettier." "Consider me jealous." Oh Rebekah, ILU.

This! Hee.

Having said all of which, in terms of the ages of the actors, Sebastian Roché looks a comparable age to Alice Evans. So IDK, he maybe he is Daddy Original.

Yeah, and it's not like Klaus and he got along right, so? I dunno.

in addition to all their scenes, there was that completely random photo of them cuddled up on Caroline's phone.

I just know she's who Matt is gonna sleep with. Damnit!

However, having said that, didn't they talk about getting back into the C/T/M triangle later in the season? So maybe they really are just going to keep them in the friendship zone, at least for now.

I'm having such crappy couple luck with this show, I ain't getting my hopes up. :(

Re: Jeremy and Katherine -- Oh, that's a very good point! I have to admit, I'd like to see more of their strange little partnership.

I know, weird, but yeah, I agree.

I feel like there's a bit of a discrepancy going on there, though. Like, he didn't make that promise back in 2.22 and Stefan believed that Klaus was going to go take Damon out in 3.01.

But he could have made that deal with him during the summer, and I got that Klaus didn't mean to kill Damon, but just stop him. Unless, I'm mis-remembering his words. I think Stefan stepped in because he knew that Klaus would (a) torture the hell out of Damon, and (b) possibly find out that Elena was alive.

I do wonder if there's the slight possibility that something else us going on there and for whatever reason (even if only that he really does understand how important Damon is to Stefan and doesn't want to hurt Stefan like that unless he really has to) Klaus doesn't actually want to kill Damon.

I can't deny that that wouldn't be cool.
Re: Part 5 - distant_autumn on October 21st, 2011 12:36 am (UTC) (Expand)
distant_autumn: Damon by ebsolutelydistant_autumn on October 20th, 2011 06:53 pm (UTC)
Part 6
[Klaus] had some great quips, some cute family moments with Rebekah, and that dimension came from his clear desire to just have Stefan freely and of his own will as his bro, as well as the final scene where Rebekah realized it's all about him not wanting to be alone, wanting a family. Plus, he was clever, not killing Elena right away until he knew for sure, figuring out the Original witch's plan. So, go Klaus.

Yup, I thought he was fantastic this entire episode and feel totally validated in my love for him. :D Really good writing for him and a great performance by JM.

That first scene with Damon and Katherine, it just really struck me how it was very much Katherine ... and NOT Elena, and I owe that, obviously, first and foremost to Nina's brilliant portrayal, but also I have to give props to Ian because he plays opposite Nina as Katherine so differently from how he plays opposite Nina as Elena.

I totally agree. They have an entirely different type of scene chemistry and way of interacting when it's Damon and Elena versus Damon and Katherine and they do it so well.

the sight of Damon carrying Elena down the hall, Damon telling Elena he would never leave her and her responding smile ... well, those two moments just melted my heart.

Tell me about it. I still do not feel coherent about those moments. So perfect.

Finally, THE most important thing about tonight's episode. THEY CUT DAMON'S HAIR! HALLELUJAH!! (And Ian Somerhalder was once more fully returned to his state of inhuman beauty.

He is so pretty I just don't know how any of them get any work done.

I loved it so very much. Well done, Mr. Narducci. Well done.

Yeah, as with The Last Dance I adored this episode. He can totally stick around and write many, many more episodes as far as I'm concerned.

Damon teaches Elena how to fight; ie, the number one excuse that shows use to get UST-filled couples all sweaty and up in each other's dance spaces. Oh yeah! I. Can. Not. Wait. :D

I really, really hope so and that it's not just Ric training her. I have been hoping for him teaching her how to fight since Nina first stated making comments about her needing to fight back. And beyond how awesomely sexy and USTy it would be, I also think it would say all sorts of nice symbolic things if he did. C'mon, show! Do it do it do it!
Arabian: Damon & Elena10arabian on October 20th, 2011 07:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 6
I still do not feel coherent about those [DE]moments. So perfect.

Explain to me how we can have those scenes like that and have it be only us who believe that DE are CLEARLY the "it."

Re: Damon teaches Elena how to fight -- I really, really hope so and that it's not just Ric training her.

That was in the preview. Elena all sweaty, Damon pulling her to him, so he's obviously teaching her stuff. :)

Again, I'll try and get to the rest later, but I wanted to key in on this before the episode airs tonight. (I know, you won't watch it till later, as will I.)

Edited at 2011-10-20 07:50 pm (UTC)
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