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23 September 2011 @ 03:00 am
3.02 - 'The Hybrid' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Today was a rough day for me, I developed a migraine and went to bed shortly after the show finished, but woke up around 1:30 am so this isn't fresh off of watching, but I figured that I couldn't sleep and stuff was rolling around in my head, so I just wanted to get it out. Anyhoo, it's The Vampire Diaries, I loved it. 'Nuff said. :)

I'm just breaking this down into characters/duos/match-ups like last week. :)

Tyler/Carol

- I love how he told her flat-out. I love how they were both pretty dang open with one another. A lot. I'm also at the point where I wish the show would bite the bullet and make Susan Walters a regular. She has slowly become the most third-dimensional truly adult character -- as opposed to Damon and Alaric who have both feet firmly planted in the 'teenager' groupings. I ADORED the morning after scene, her promise to fix things, to make things right, the teary way she smiled at him. Aah, Susan Walters has really made so much of this character. (I remember her days almost twenty years ago when she played a semi-bad girl on Loving.)

Tyler didn't quite redeem himself as much as I would have liked when thinking of his torture-hesitation, but his actions were responsible in getting Carol to try and save Caroline. And on that note, I never realized until this episode that Carol/Caroline. Intentional? Or just unintentional semi-creepiness there?

Caroline/Bill

Because of speculation that Bill was Caroline's father, I was expecting it, but, honestly, I think I would have at the very least suspected it even without that speculation. Still, it wasn't one of those (even only slightly) surprising moments that still worked. From the moment Carol called Bill back, right until she actually said it, I was expecting him to walk into where Caroline was, and her to say hopefully "Daddy?" And that's exactly what happened. And it was awesome.

Oh, this is gonna be goo--oood!

And it must be said again, because, dayum, it was the first thing I thought of when we saw Caroline sitting in that chair. Holy crap, does that dress made Candice Accola's boobs look AWESOME! I am sorry, but it so does.

Stefan

Oh, Stefan, I think I'm gonna like Ripper!Stefan much better than emo!Fake!Martyr!Stefan. I say this because the Stefan we saw in tonight's episode was pretty much the Stefan we've gotten for two seasons, and, well, as much as I liked that Stefan, the Stefan we saw in last week's episode was much, much more interesting. Sorry, but so true. This Stefan was a bit boring. As to the why of "Fake!Martyr" well, when he was standing there with a werewolf bite on his arm, knowing that he could/would die, well, he could have. He could have pulled Ray away from Damon, got them out of there, and basically laid himself open to more bites, suffering, and let himself die. But he didn't, he won't. And it makes me think to the last few years; he hates himself so much, hates killing people, blah, blah, well, if he feels that badly about it, and knows that he can't stop (quoting Stefan himself here), then why doesn't he just save all of those future victims and step into the sun? Because he's a selfish dude.

I love him, but he is so fucking selfish. And like last week, proving that with his phone call to Elena -- which made killing Andie UTTERLY POINTLESS! and gee, thanks, Damon for NOT pointing that out at all!* -- this week, he proved it all over again by standing in the trees, just barely in Elena's sight-line. Sure, he moved before she truly saw him, but she caught the teensiest glimpse that made her believe he was there, once again giving her, as well as Damon earlier, the drive to continue to search for him.

So selfish. So unthinkingly selfish. I know it's not deliberate, I know that, but every one else sees him as much of a sensitive martyr-guy too that no one calls him on it, and it just makes me wanna scream some time. Yes, Damon sucks. Yes, Damon is terrible. Yes, Damon is still capable of terrible things. But damnit, Stefan is just as freaking terrible in an entirely different way.

* Damon's actions/words this episode proved to me that I was right about his feelings about Andie. He cared about her as his distraction, but didn't really *care* about her -- it was all about her murder being the point that made him believe that Stefan was beyond saving that upset him.

Damon/Stefan

Aww, Stefan ripped out someone's heart to save Damon. Awww. As Damon said, despite everything, Stefan is just not willing to let Damon die, and so he can't let Stefan die. Awww. I do admit that this was the one aspect of Stefan-as-we-know-him that I enjoyed: the fact that he couldn't even remotely hide his love for Damon in their conversation. Double awww.

Klaus

I am sorry, but that scream of anger? annoyance? was kinda lame. Other than that, I enjoyed Klaus. I also enjoyed us learning that his whole hybrid-race plan is never going to work as long as Elena is alive. Interesting, and great way to make it matter to Klaus that Elena is still alive other than as a petty revenge factor -- he has enough people he wants to kill based on that factor, it gets old. I do have to hand it to Morgan, though, I actually -- geez! -- felt a teeny bit sorry (I know!) for Klaus when all of his dream soldier/comrades were falling apart on him. He was so bummed, we've never truly seen Klaus upset. So, good on Morgan.

Jeremy/Matt/Vicki/Anna

Ooh, interesting! Vicki -- as in life -- is the selfish bad girl, and Anna -- the sweet, good girl (based on Flashbacks and how much of her humanity she'd retained) -- appear to be so in ghostly fashion as well. Maybe it's my dislike of Vicki, but I'm choosing to believe Anna in this, because again, it's soin character for Vicki to be selfish about this.

I do still contend that bringing Matt into this via the Vicki-ghost angle is brilliant, but alas, Steven R. McQueen and Zach Roerig don't have much chemistry. McQueen has it in spades with Michael Trevino and Ian Somerhalder (and Matt Davis), but it's just not happening with Roerig. And, yeah, that does make this storyline -- thus far -- a tad boring. I can't wait until they start bringing the other characters into it. Which brings me to a point I realized when I did my season 2 rewatch that is continuing to be obvious this season: Roerig is so very much the weakest actor in this cast. Again, show, how could you kill off the luminous, uber-talented Sara Canning, and keep the weakest, most boring actor of your cast? *Sigh* With that said, I did like Matt's scene with Tyler. He was so offering to help Tyler out re: his werewolf turn, and Tyler was kind of a dick blowing him off. But then, that's Tyler, he's always been kind of a dick.

Damon/Alaric

Ah, the bromance continues. I just love it so, period. Not much actual interaction with them and stuff, but any moment was just good because they are good. I loved that he called Damon, and had to laugh, because I suppose that's pretty much become the rule of thumb: When Elena goes on a potentially suicidal mission, the cavalry calls in Damon.

- Alaric assuming it was Damon waking him up. Whee!!! God, I love these two. EVERY SINGLE MOMENT THAT REVOLVES AROUND THEM.

- Also, loved Damon calling Alaric "brother." Sigh. Love them so. :)

Elena/Alaric

I admit, I wish they'd pushed this arc a little longer, but I suppose (hope) we can still see the growing pains of Alaric adjusting. Still, I enjoyed their scenes. I enjoyed that every conversation with them basically called Alaric out on the things I mentioned in my rewatch post.

I love me some Alaric, anyone who reads my journal knows that. I LOVE ME SOME ALARIC. With that said, the more I think about that final scene with Elena I just want to smack his ever-loving, long-time-no-shaved face. Because Alaric? Was being a total selfish dick! Dude, he's a high school teacher. He KNOWS that just because someone is eighteen doesn't suddenly make them an adult. This girl -- yes, Alaric, GIRL! -- lost her parents, then her entire world was turned topsy-turvy, then she lost her birth mother, then her aunt, then her birth father, and then her boyfriend took off on a psychotic serial killing frenzy. But, she's eighteen now, no problem. She can handle running a household, taking care of her drugged-up once again younger brother, going to school, getting ready for her adult life, on top of all of the supernatural crazy that surrounds her life. She doesn't need an adult around at all. Especially one who KNOWS ALL THE SHIT THAT IS GOING ON! Especially one who loves her and her brother like they were his family. No, not at all.

Seriously, come on, Ric!

Yes, yes, I do get that he's going through a lot himself. And that he doesn't get just how much his presence is helping to keep them grounded, but oh, Ric. Wake up, sweetie, and realize it."
Yup, Elena pretty much called him out on all of that, either through snarky commentary, or flat-out laying it out there. And I loved that she gave him the ring back. And that he stopped being stupid and took it.

Sadly, because they do have chemistry -- in that they work well together -- I expect there to be a strong interest in Elena/Alaric as a pairing after this episode, and I find that kinda ... gross? They are clearly going for a father/daughter type of relationship here and that is what I believe is coming across. Ah well, it's a shipping world.

Elena

This episode once again drove it home that Elena's morality has so shifted from a light, almost-white gray to a darkish-gray one since becoming entrenched in this supernatural world. A couple of strangers, and potentially tons and tons of others, would have to die if she went through the sacrifice, but that was all fine and dandy to her, and not even worth thinking of, if it meant that her loved ones remained safe. And now, she knows for sure that Stefan has killed a bunch of people, he killed someone she knew -- but clearly did not care about -- just to make a point, but as long as those she cares about are good, she just brushes aside those other dead people. On one hand, it bothers me, because, hello! dead people galore! and it doesn't even seem to process with her that her beloved boyfriend is making these people dead, and in a horribly graphic ways. On the other, it makes sense.

Her life has basically become a war -- those she loves on one side constantly under battle, at risk, their lives a moment away from being gone like that. Every single person that she loves now (excluding Matt and Tyler, and I wouldn't say she loves the latter) has LITERALLY died. Two of them died well before she knew them, but still, they died. She knows the price, she knows the loss. And she's clearly subconsciously decided that if it means risking people she doesn't know, she's going to not think about it because, damnit, she's lost too, too many people she loves already, and she refuses to lose anyone else, or not have someone come back from the brink.

Also, this *is* a supernatural show, and there is just a different gloss of reality that one must apply to the proceedings in order to make the show work. It's what literature calls "the willing suspension of disbelief." In reality, Elena would say "Fuck this shit, I'm taking my brother and we are getting the hell outta dodge!" In show-reality, that's not an option. If it were, we would have no show. In reality, Elena would be all "HELL TO THE NO!" to Damon (of course, she wouldn't even be speaking to him, she would have staked his ass long ago well before she got to the worrying stage). She would be all "You're cute and all, Stefan. We had some good times, but HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!" (and probably stake him too with tears in her eyes). But again, no show, and/or dealing with all of the murder-fall-out realistically would pretty much grind all storytelling, plots, etc. and all other character-driven story to a complete and utter halt because there would barely be any time for anything else. So, yes, I accept it. I willingly suspend my disbelief because almost everything else about this show is so freaking awesome. It IS a supernatural show and when your "heroes/anti-heroes" are vampires who kill, well, you kinda have to accept that it's a different reality.

On a much more positive-Elena related note, while, yes, it's ignoring all those dead people, I do love how Elena was so pro-active. Getting the information from Ric, pumping Tyler for more concrete information and then basically blackmailing Ric to come along by threatening to go alone, then convincing Damon to do what she wanted (I'm sure, the wet cleavage -- intentional or not -- helped). Again, I love how the females on this show get shit done!

Damon/Elena (and a bit more of Damon/Stefan)

Damon and Elena. Damon and Elena. Sigh. I can't express how much I LOVED that last line from him to her. I don't even know if I can put it into words properly yet, but I'll try. To me it said that Damon is not going to play around and take advantage while Stefan is gone. Damon is not playing second fiddle to his brother anymore. Damon is damn-well aware that there is most definitely SOMETHING between them and is letting her know now that he is not going to let her bury it and pretend it was never there once Stefan is back. She will deal; THEY will deal. It is there, it is real and it will be explored. And I uber-loved that even though Ric didn't hear what was said between them, he saw Damon leave her room, saw the aftermath on her face, in the stillness of her body to know that something happened (again) between them and called her on it. And, for the first time -- HALLELUJA! -- she didn't, couldn't deny it. Even if she said she didn't know how to deal, she was still acknowledging that, yeah, it was there.

Also, whatever that old adage about actors sleeping together not having chemistry anymore is, it most certainly does NOT apply to Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev because OH. MY. LORD! was the chemistry off-the-charts like WHOAH! in that scene. Especially in those final moments, when he moved to her said that awesomely awesome line: "Because when I drag my brother back from the edge and deliver him to you, I want you to remember the things you felt while he was gone." Then the way he just held her gaze, his hands first framing her face, thumbs slightly brushing her cheeks, then falling into her hair, his fingers pulling through the strands, her holding onto his gaze right back, then falling away, to his lips, the gulp she took, the closeness, the fact that it was so crystal-clear that a kiss was so on both of their minds, it was just so ... ohmygod! FLAILING!SQUEEING!BREATHLESS!AAAAAAHHHHHH! And, again, like last week, he did not push. And he REALLY could have this time. He could have kissed her and I honestly do not see how she would not have kissed him back. But he didn't, because as I said above, he's not taking advantage of Stefan's absence.

Which brings me to another point this scene brings home. One of the things I love about this triangle -- which is actually *FINALLY!* starting to play out as one -- is that Damon's love for Stefan is NOT about Elena. It is separate from what is going on between Damon and Elena. And I think that is awesome. Damon can acknowledge those feelings she has for Stefan, accept them, finally admit that he doesn't want his brother dead, he wants to save him, he wants him back (even if he's throwing that stupid responsibility clause around :rolls eyes: -- those boys!), but other than him wanting Elena to be happy, and him knowing that Stefan's safe return will make her happy, it's not about Elena. It's about Stefan, and *their* relationship. Likewise, he made it perfectly clear with that last line that what is going on between he and Elena has nothing to do with Stefan. It's there, it's real, it's between the two of them. Period. True, it needed Stefan gone to fully begin to blossom, but again, proves the point ... it's not about Stefan.

On the other hand, I can't help but think now of how much Damon has become a part of Stefan and Elena's relationship. Stefan constantly needing Elena to reassure him of her love whenever she showed the slightest bit of concern for Damon. Elena kissing Stefan (more passionately than we'd just about ever had seen) in front of Damon to piss him off. Stefan and Elena's big blood-sharing moment ... brought on by Damon's urging. Stefan and Elena's break-up ... Damon overheard and tried to apologize, tried to help patch it up. The necklace that started out as symbol of Stefan wanting to protect Elena (from Damon!) has now become imbued with so much more emotional attachment between Damon and Elena. It's just ... interesting.

- Man, oh man, I cracked up so hard when Damon threw Elena in the water. It was wrong, so wrong, but so freaking hilarious.

- I also cracked up for a different reason when Damon gave in so easily to Elena. He's so whipped. SO WHIPPED! But yes, he's miraculously managed to still keep his awesome bad-assery. How is he that awesome? I do not know, but he is.

- While I may have had one issue with the scene (see below), I did love that Elena was ready to be gone, go, vamoose, get the hell outta there when Damon was in danger. (And he called her on it, yes!) Plus, while she may have taken off with Ric, she did want to stay and help Damon, and included him in her concerns (Stefan is out there, and now so is Damon) when she and Ric were waiting in the car.

- I actually kinda like that Damon's comment about the kiss -- and, yeah, phew! I was wrong, I thought that it was supposed to be in the premiere, clearly it was in the first few episodes, specifically this one -- was this casual, throwaway one. I liked it because it let us know what we needed, add that bit of an undercurrent that made their final scene even stronger, and was just yet another deliciously awesome Damon line. "Unless you want to relive that whole deathbed/kissy thing." BWAH!!! "Deathbed/kissy thing." Cracked me up.

- Damn, how much did I love the delivery of "What changed your mind, E-LEN-A?" in that final scene. It was just ... ooh, so, so, yummily perfect. Ian Somerhalder just rocks the line deliveries SO HARD>

Random Stuffies

- Damnit! We FINALLY get Damon/Elena-heavy previouslies, and they decide to do a change-up right away and the Damon/Elena-ness of it is GONE, while the Stefan/Elena stuff is front and center again. Grrr!

- Wow. I can't give overall praise because the fake dye still sucks ass, and it's still too long and shaggy, but Damon's hair looked about a ZILLION times better in this episode. If it's got to be that awful color and cut, at least they styled it better. Keep it up. (Or you know, ditch the terribly obvious fake dye, and give him a great trim. That would work too.)

- No Bonnie. AT ALL. GRRR!

- Didn't want to put it in the giddy Damon/Elena section, so two small complaints here. The first I'm rather shocked about:

1) I was really unimpressed with Nina Dobrev's final "Damon, now" when she was trying to get them to leave. It lacked an urgency that I expected, and I don't know, sounded wooden. And that's something I've read other accuse Dobrev's acting of being, but I've certainly never seen it before, especially on this show. So, yeah, I was very surprised by that. One line, only, true, but still it stood out.

2) As much as I adored that final scene, it bugged me every time I watched it (and I've watched it PLENTY LOTS already) that he has his hands in her hair, his forehead is almost touching hers they are so close, he says "Good night" and as he says "night," the angle switches to his point of view and suddenly he's noticeably farther away from her face than he was less than a second ago. Camera angles and all, I know, but this CLEARLY was two different takes, and not just the angle. It (sadly) throws me out of the scene for a moment every time. :Sniff:

- Hah, Elena telling Ric to take the ropes. Damon taking them, burning his hands, getting all pissy, and Elena reminding him, "I said Ric." Hee.

- I kinda wish we hadn't gotten the wet Elena/Damon stills until after the episode aired because I did expect more from them -- especially based on Carina MacKenzie's comment (reminds me yet again as to why I am so terribly unimpressed with her) that it was a flirty, fun moment between them. Clearly her definition of fun and flirty differs from mine. There was nothing flirty about those scenes. Nothing. Sure, there was great banter, and as always, Dobrev and Somerhalder have great zing with their interaction, but they were not flirting. Elena was DEFINITELY not flirting, she was annoyed. Damon was DEFINITELY not flirting. He was pissed. Still, their interaction was -- as always -- great, and I always get a kick out of Alaric's reaction to seeing the two of them like this, in a way that nobody else ever does.

There is probably bunches more I'm missing that I'll hopefully pick up on my rewatch. Bottom-line, I loved it. I loved my show. I still am waiting for that WOW! episode though. It will come soon enough, I have no doubt, though. :) This IS The Vampire Diaries after all.
 
 
 
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on September 23rd, 2011 07:38 am (UTC)
I hope your head feels better.

I love him, but he is so fucking selfish. And like last week, proving that with his phone call to Elena -- which made killing Andie UTTERLY POINTLESS! and gee, thanks, Damon for NOT pointing that out at all!* -- this week, he proved it all over again by standing in the trees, just barely in Elena's sight-line. Sure, he moved before she truly saw him, but she caught the teensiest glimpse that made her believe he was there, once again giving her, as well as Damon earlier, the drive to continue to search for him.

I figured that Damon's not going to mention Andie to Stefan because, well, Stefan obviously didn't give a shit about her (just like he didn't give a shit about Rose) so, really, what would the point be? He mentioned the stupidity of the phone call, which was enough for me.

Which brings me to a point I realized when I did my season 2 rewatch that is continuing to be obvious this season: Roerig is so very much the weakest actor in this cast.

I think I have to agree with that. It's a shame, because Matt's character has a lot of potential.

Sadly, because they do have chemistry -- in that they work well together -- I expect there to be a strong interest in Elena/Alaric as a pairing after this episode, and I find that kinda ... gross? They are clearly going for a father/daughter type of relationship here and that is what I believe is coming across. Ah well, it's a shipping world.

I kinda get a siblings vibe from them, I find.

This episode once again drove it home that Elena's morality has so shifted from a light, almost-white gray to a darkish-gray one since becoming entrenched in this supernatural world. A couple of strangers, and potentially tons and tons of others, would have to die if she went through the sacrifice, but that was all fine and dandy to her, and not even worth thinking of, if it meant that her loved ones remained safe. And now, she knows for sure that Stefan has killed a bunch of people, he killed someone she knew -- but clearly did not care about -- just to make a point, but as long as those she cares about are good, she just brushes aside those other dead people. On one hand, it bothers me, because, hello! dead people galore! and it doesn't even seem to process with her that her beloved boyfriend is making these people dead, and in a horribly graphic ways. On the other, it makes sense.

Yeah, she's pretty much embraced the sort of tribal-morality that, well, the Salvatores have. She cares about 'her' people and everyone else is... everyone else and not as important. She has more people she cares about than Stefan and Damon do, but that's about the only difference. And it happened slowly enough that I'm not sure whether or not she realized that it happened, that things that would have been horrifying to early S1 Elena don't even make her blink or spare a thought to the victims now.

This is not a show about heroism. It's a show about family (both born and made).

On the other hand, I can't help but think now of how much Damon has become a part of Stefan and Elena's relationship. Stefan constantly needing Elena to reassure him of her love whenever she showed the slightest bit of concern for Damon. Elena kissing Stefan (more passionately than we'd just about ever had seen) in front of Damon to piss him off. Stefan and Elena's big blood-sharing moment ... brought on by Damon's urging. Stefan and Elena's break-up ... Damon overheard and tried to apologize, tried to help patch it up. The necklace that started out as symbol of Stefan wanting to protect Elena (from Damon!) has now become imbued with so much more emotional attachment between Damon and Elena. It's just ... interesting.

It really is very interesting, yes.

Edited at 2011-09-23 07:39 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on September 23rd, 2011 03:56 pm (UTC)
I hope your head feels better.
Thanks. :) Yeah, it already had, thus my ability to write this post at 1:30 am, LOL! But, ooh, boy, by 9:15, I was not doing too hot. Thus in bed by 9:30 or so.

I figured that Damon's not going to mention Andie to Stefan because, well, Stefan obviously didn't give a shit about her (just like he didn't give a shit about Rose) so, really, what would the point be?

But the whole point clearly was to prove that he was too far gone, so pointing that it was useless would have been nice. On the other hand, I suppose Damon does want to save his brother and pointing out his bad is probably not the best way to get him on the right track at this point.

He mentioned the stupidity of the phone call, which was enough for me.

True, we did at least get that, which tells me that what we (as in, you and I, and others who had a problem with the call) are seeing is what the show wanted us to see. (And not this over-the-top romantic crap that some S/E fans and uber-lame reviewers who only surface review are seeing.)

I think I have to agree with that. It's a shame, because Matt's character has a lot of potential.

Yeah, all of the characters on this show are very well-written, even one-offs and recurring, that when the role doesn't pop as it should (like Rose or Luka), I can't help but blame the actor. And that especially holds true for a cast member. Even with the least amount of story devoted to her, Sara Canning -- why, show, why!?!? -- was never less than wonderful.

I kinda get a siblings vibe from them, I find.

RE: Elena/Alaric -- yeah, I can see that too. The thing is that it's reading/playing very familial to me, though. That's my point. Not romantic or tension-filled in that manner at all.

Yeah, she's pretty much embraced the sort of tribal-morality that, well, the Salvatores have. She cares about 'her' people and everyone else is... everyone else and not as important. She has more people she cares about than Stefan and Damon do, but that's about the only difference. And it happened slowly enough that I'm not sure whether or not she realized that it happened, that things that would have been horrifying to early S1 Elena don't even make her blink or spare a thought to the victims now.

Very, very true. The tribal-morality pretty much nails it on the head. You've talked about this in the past, and while the last batch of season 2 episodes began to truly bring that to light, so far this season, it's really bringing it home. I'm actually a bit bummed by the number of people on my flist who don't seem to get that this is not about "good vs bad," and believe that the show is having Elena be OOC or it's a case of bad writing. It's not. If you sit down and really pay attention, we've seen this character evolution from Elena in early season 1 to now develop and become this colder, more pragmatic point of view. I know that I've mentioned those moments throughout the season where it's shown. When people complain about bad writing, I just think it's a case of not getting that this show does have a deliberate, distinct case of morality that is not based in our real life world. Again, this is not the white hats versus the black hats. Or ...

This is not a show about heroism. It's a show about family (both born and made).

This.
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on September 23rd, 2011 09:30 am (UTC)
I haven't really slept properly...so I can't form coherent thoughts on what to write as of now...I am getting back to you later. I just wanna say 1 thing though, this line : "Because when I drag my brother back from the edge and deliver him to you, I want you to remember the things you felt while he was gone.", had me screaming and beaming and glowing like a neon bulb.!!

Plus the brotherly moments, GOD I WISHED THEY JUST HUGGED...even a teeny tiny bit.

Damon called Alaric "brother" :D :D :D, riiight after the massive push in the lake...which was "WHOA"..."FUNNY AWESOME"!!

Weird things are happening with me because of TVD, pretty weird stuff.... TVD episodes are available in here, the morning after it airs in US, because the time diff between US and Bangladesh is 12 hrs, so I get to see the new episode every Friday morning at 9, usually I wake up in between 8-8.30 am. But today, God knows why, I woke up at 4.19 am in the middle of deep sleep, took my phone and came near my PC, and since everything was dark I thought of checking the time and found out that it was 4.19 am and it's still dark, I guess I was having a dream that I'm running out of time!

So that's why, right now, my eyes are burning...I need to sleep. I will most definitely get back to you with my thoughts after some peaceful moments of sleep.
Arabian: Damon & Elena13arabian on September 23rd, 2011 03:57 pm (UTC)
this line : "Because when I drag my brother back from the edge and deliver him to you, I want you to remember the things you felt while he was gone.", had me screaming and beaming and glowing like a neon bulb.!!

Yes, I would go back and rewind to Damon asking her his one question, then go back and rewind to him getting close to her, before just rewinding that one line, the aftermath over and over. SO GOOD!

Plus the brotherly moments, GOD I WISHED THEY JUST HUGGED...even a teeny tiny bit.

I don't think they're there yet, but when they are! Oh be still my heart! :D :D

this line : "Because when I drag my brother back from the edge and deliver him to you, I want you to remember the things you felt while he was gone.", had me screaming and beaming and glowing like a neon bulb.!!

Yes, I would go back and rewind to Damon asking her his one question, then go back and rewind to him getting close to her, before just rewinding that one line, the aftermath over and over. SO GOOD!

Plus the brotherly moments, GOD I WISHED THEY JUST HUGGED...even a teeny tiny bit.

I don't think they're there yet, but when they are! Oh be still my heart! :D :D
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Silvia Kundera: tvd-elenasilviakundera on September 23rd, 2011 09:31 am (UTC)
On the other hand, I can't help but think now of how much Damon has become a part of Stefan and Elena's relationship. It's just ... interesting.
guh, yes. That's one of my favorite things about the "triangle". Damon has totally become emeshed in the Stefan/Elena relationship. They also had Damon immediately seeing through the fake-breakup in early S2, because *he knows how they fight and talk to each other*. The way that Damon not only convinced Elena that Stefan needs to drink at least some human blood, but they follow that up with Stefan sharing with Damon that Stefan is drinking Elena's blood (which is kind of an intimate detail). And Stefan explictly saying that Damon's love for Elena "doesn't need to be" the elephant in the room. Elena and Stefan discussing Damon's love for her on the mountain top during 'The Last Day', during what were possibly her last moments, and Stefan defending Damon & arguing that it was wrong but Damon did it because he loves her. (I find it so interesting, yes, that Stefan may lose his temper and goad Damon to his face but more often than not he's turning around to mediate between Elena and Damon, telling her that he hopes Damon can change; them agreeing together in the S1 finale that it was pointless to pretend that they don't care about Damon; telling her in 2x1 that Damon must have saw the ring and then when Elena rejects this defense going to the It's Katherine's Fault argument.) When Stefan finds out that Damon is dying, his reaction is to lock up Damon and then go tell Elena to be with him & give him hope. A lot of Stefan & Elena scenes end up with Damon entering into the conversation. Even their ~romantic getaway weekend in mid S2 ended up with them panicking about Damon dying in his attack on Klaus and then a scene where Damon has joined up with them again and Damon & Stefan pledging together to follow Elena's lead and work with her. (instead of it being presented as Stefan agreeing privately first and then Damon ageeing separately)

It's almost like by this point Damon has become this quiet not-so-silent partner in the Stefan/Elena relationship. That status has become even more amplified in 3x1-3x2.

The more entrenched Damon becomes, the more push/pull we get as Damon starts to more confidently assert his "rights" as someone with some kind of owner's stake, even if it's a vague, unconventional one. We saw it in Klaus/The Last Day as Stefan finally pushed back, telling Damon to "back off" and Damon refusing to do so, refusing to step back and claiming his right to join in the argument & have a significant say in decisions about Elena's future, the kind of right that comes from being someone's partner. (and then of course as mentioned above, while Stefan in anger goes blah blah Damon it's none of your business then he's later basically telling Elena that it kind of was Damon's business, dubious choices or not). We're seeing that push/pull again now as Damon is pushing on Stefan and Damon is going to take it upon himself that Stefan is going to come back to Elena, whether or not Stefan's currently willing. Again Damon is deciding that he has a say. That Stefan, Elena, and their relationship is his concern and there are things that he is owed.

idek where this is going to lead... One option is for it to lead to constant push/pull conflict when Stefan returns. Another is for instead Stefan and Elena to give up more and more ground, until Stefan starts giving up private intimacy & space with Elena... to the degree that Damon ends up being the primary one in the relationship with Elena and Stefan drifts into that secondary, ancillary role that Damon occupied in S2.

Roerig is so very much the weakest actor in this cast.
Sad but true.
Arabian: Elena03arabian on September 23rd, 2011 03:58 pm (UTC)
guh, yes. That's one of my favorite things about the "triangle". Damon has totally become emeshed in the Stefan/Elena relationship. It's almost like by this point Damon has become this quiet not-so-silent partner in the Stefan/Elena relationship. That status has become even more amplified in 3x1-3x2.

Yup, all of the points you mention really bring it home.

idek where this is going to lead... One option is for it to lead to constant push/pull conflict when Stefan returns. Another is for instead Stefan and Elena to give up more and more ground, until Stefan starts giving up private intimacy & space with Elena... to the degree that Damon ends up being the primary one in the relationship with Elena and Stefan drifts into that secondary, ancillary role that Damon occupied in S2.

It would be interesting if they slowly went that route before it eventually becomes Damon/Elena against the world, and Stefan is just a part of that world (albeit, a very important part).

And I was just thinking how the only way that Stefan is a part of Damon and Elena's relationship actually winds up *aiding* said relationship. Stefan's lies rip Elena's world asunder, she takes off, Damon saves her from the car wreck and they bond in Georgia. Stefan goes off the deep end, Damon steps up to the plate, dances with her, stays by her side in the cellar, and obviously all that is going on now. Whereas, all of the ways that Damon is involved in Stefan/Elena's relationship winds up creating little wedges, brought on quite strongly by Stefan's jealousy/insecurity issues. I just keep going back to that bathtub conversation between Damon and Andie in 2.13 when she asked him if there was another guy in the picture, and Damon just blew that off because for him that wasn't even an issue in why he couldn't be with Elena. It's not jealousy and insecurity over Stefan that is at the core of his inability to be Elena, it's about his issues/feelings for Stefan, as well as her issues with Damon, and her feelings for Stefan. Which Damon accepts, and doesn't try and downplay.

I don't know, I just find it interesting.
x5valex5vale on September 23rd, 2011 10:08 am (UTC)
As always great review.

I partocularly agree with you about Stefan. i love him but sometimes, his selfishness is so annoying that I bhave no good feelings towards him.

In this episode btw, I think that he was just human. None wants to die, no matter how much you think low of yourself (which is not Stefan's case, because he says one thing and does another), the instinct tells you to live. It was interesting to see all the contradictions in Stefan's character. This is what i want for Stefan. Dropping the martyr attitude and embrace who he really is, in his entirety.

MUCH MUCH LOVE TO DAMON!
Arabian: Damon & Elena11arabian on September 23rd, 2011 03:58 pm (UTC)
As always great review.

Thank you. :)

I partocularly agree with you about Stefan. i love him but sometimes, his selfishness is so annoying that I bhave no good feelings towards him.

Oh, Stefan. :(

In this episode btw, I think that he was just human. None wants to die, no matter how much you think low of yourself (which is not Stefan's case, because he says one thing and does another), the instinct tells you to live. It was interesting to see all the contradictions in Stefan's character. This is what i want for Stefan. Dropping the martyr attitude and embrace who he really is, in his entirety.

Yes, this. Completely. I absolutely agree. Stefan needs to find some sort of happy medium where he accepts himself as he is, and doesn't try and convince himself and everyone else that he's something he's not. See? This is why he and Caroline are perfect for each other. He can do that with her. :)

MUCH MUCH LOVE TO DAMON!

SO TRUE!
Vickie: TVD - Elena Hip Cocksarcasticcheese on September 23rd, 2011 12:15 pm (UTC)
I expect there to be a strong interest in Elena/Alaric as a pairing after this episode, and I find that kinda ... gross?

Says the girl who shipped Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia.

No Bonnie. AT ALL. GRRR

To be honest, I didn't notice until you pointed it out. Doesn't bother me at all.

It was a good episode, but I wouldn't say that I overall loved it. But, as we've discussed many times, a merely good episode of TVD is usually way better than a great or even amazing episode of just about any other show. The show is so strong and has set the bar so high with other episodes, that normally great episodes, just seem good.

I liked poor Klausy not getting his way. I'm surprised they didn't go there with him going "Elena is still alive, isn't she?" but I suppose that'll be in an upcoming episode.

I know you're all "GO ELENA, GET THAT SHIT DONE, GURRRRRRL" with her, but again, I think she was so stupid. I understand her wanting to save Stefan, I do. But she doesn't think things through. She's supposed to be dead. As Damon said, "You're safe." It bothers me that she runs off half cocked into the woods ON. A. FULL. MOON. hoping to find Stefan. What did she plan to do when she found him? Did she think he'd just be "OMG, THANK YOU FOR FINDING ME. LET'S RUN BACK TO MYSTIC FALLS TOGETHER. KLAUS WILL NEVER KNOW." OMG. DUH, Elena.

So, while she may be trying to get shit done, she needs to think about how to get said shit done, and what will happen once said shit gets done. And she's not doing that. And it frustrates the hell out of me.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline02arabian on September 23rd, 2011 03:59 pm (UTC)
Says the girl who shipped Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia.

Bwah! But we're SUPPOSED to ship them. I mean, seriously, they act more couply and in love than most actual couples on tv!

Re: Bonnie's absence. To be honest, I didn't notice until you pointed it out. Doesn't bother me at all.

Yeah, I know Bonnie is not uber-loved by my TVD buds. Ah well.

It was a good episode, but I wouldn't say that I overall loved it. But, as we've discussed many times, a merely good episode of TVD is usually way better than a great or even amazing episode of just about any other show. The show is so strong and has set the bar so high with other episodes, that normally great episodes, just seem good.

This is very true, but I did love it. Now if we hadn't have had that last Damon/Elena scene, I probably wouldn't have simply because the continued lack of D/E would have put a damper over everything else, but with that scene -- it really clicked for me. Now, I don't think it was better than the premiere, I think they were on equal ground in retrospect, but that may change upon rewatch.

I liked poor Klausy not getting his way. I'm surprised they didn't go there with him going "Elena is still alive, isn't she?" but I suppose that'll be in an upcoming episode.

I thought they would at first too, but because Stefan was in the whole 'I'm dying from werewolf bite' phase he was able to pass off that 'OH!SHIT!" look about the doppelganger being alive as "OH!SHIT!I'm dying!"

I know you're all "GO ELENA, GET THAT SHIT DONE, GURRRRRRL" with her, but again, I think she was so stupid. I understand her wanting to save Stefan, I do. But she doesn't think things through.

You know I don't disagree with this. I really don't; I just appreciate that she doesn't just sit on her ass. She does stuff. Yes, it's stupid, but it's not brainless stupidity, it's not like she ever planned to go unprepared. It's not like she ever planned to stick around with the full moon upon them or even go alone. She knew that Ric would go with her as soon as she said she would go on her own. It wasn't the bestest, smartest plan, but she didn't blindly walk into it; she prepared herself.

What did she plan to do when she found him? Did she think he'd just be "OMG, THANK YOU FOR FINDING ME. LET'S RUN BACK TO MYSTIC FALLS TOGETHER. KLAUS WILL NEVER KNOW."

Well, yeah, actually. And why wouldn't she think that? Elena is a stubborn, head-in-the-sand kinda gal. All she has seen of Stefan is that he's putty in her hands, will never hurt her, will always do what she wants. And she believes he proved that he's still there, he's just wanting to see her face, hear her voice and then he will be saved because that's all she has ever known with him. And until told otherwise, we don't know that Elena (or Damon) have any clue as to what deal Stefan actually struck with Klaus. There was just Katherine's vague, taunting "he gave everything up, including you, for his brother." So, yeah, I get it. Based on what she knows, based on her experience, that is all it will take. It's not very logical if she were to sit down and put all the pieces together, but she's not thinking logically.

Also, modbelle had an excellent point below in the comments about hearing about it vs seeing the gory details.

Again, yeah, it's stupid, but I get the stupid and it's pro-active, and she DID prepare herself.

And it frustrates the hell out of me.

I know you felt that way about some of her actions last season, and we disagreed. I think we always will about this aspect of Elena. I see the stupid, but I still see the awesome, and it just, well, frustrates the hell out of you. ;)

(BTW: Katerina did VERY well last night.)
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Arabian: Elena03arabian on September 23rd, 2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
Yup, we pretty much are at 100% agreement here. :)
eolivet on September 23rd, 2011 10:17 pm (UTC)
And it makes me think to the last few years; he hates himself so much, hates killing people, blah, blah, well, if he feels that badly about it, and knows that he can't stop (quoting Stefan himself here), then why doesn't he just save all of those future victims and step into the sun? Because he's a selfish dude.

This comment made me think of your other observation about the "teenager"-verse vs. the "adult"-verse. Stefan is perpetually...17? Teenagers can be selfish, and maybe it's just his perpetual teenager-ness. What are stereotypical teenagers if not selfish know-it-alls? IDK...

You know how I feel about Zach Roerig, so of course I agree with you there. But the one wonderful thing about TVD is how they know their actors' limits. I find Matt infinitely more appealing as Jeremy's friend or Vicki's brother than Caroline's boyfriend, so...I don't mind him in this story, believe it or not! :p

OHHHH, Ian and Nina. Taking the "RL couples don't have chemistry" adage and just setting it on fire. With their eyes. ;) Whew! :D That was a SMOKING last scene, my goodness... :)
Arabian: Ian & Nina13arabian on September 25th, 2011 08:53 pm (UTC)
That's a really good point. He is after all a teenager. And they can be very selfish.

Re: Roerig -- see, I still think he has the best chemistry with Candice, even if I don't think Matt treats Caroline even remotely well enough. Blech, they should have killed Matt, and not Jenna. Damnit.

OHHHH, Ian and Nina. Taking the "RL couples don't have chemistry" adage and just setting it on fire. With their eyes. ;) Whew! :D That was a SMOKING last scene, my goodness... :)

I so thought of you and your wondering what would happen and if they're togetherness would effect the chemistry. Clearly not. :)

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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Elena peekingbadboy_fangirl on September 23rd, 2011 11:55 pm (UTC)
Your two points of contention (Elena's wooden 'Damon, now' and the thisclose, not thisclose shots in the final scene between them) popped up for me too. It's bothersome because I really liked how close he was, and then they switched sides and it was much less intense. I usually think the editing on this show is so good, so it does really throw me out of the scene too.

And yeah, I haven't heard Nina sound that bad, ever, probably, even when she had to read diary entries in the early eps. Maybe it was the end of the day, and she was out of juice.

ETA: Amen to everything you said about Stefan's selfishness. It's like the light went on above my head and now I know why sometimes I just want to choke him. Very good insight.

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Arabian: Damon05arabian on September 25th, 2011 08:57 pm (UTC)
Your two points of contention (Elena's wooden 'Damon, now' and the thisclose, not thisclose shots in the final scene between them) popped up for me too.

Wasn't just me then. Yeah, and it sucked because they were two REALLY strong Damon/Elena scenes, and in both it DID effect the effectiveness (to varying degrees) of the scene. In the first, some actually missed the significance of Elena's action because Nina just didn't sell it well at all. (Yeah, I'm thinking that may have been a towards the end of the day shoot, but still, so unlike her). And, of course, as great as the final scene is with them, that one small moment, it does kinda pull the viewer a bit from the scene. :(

Amen to everything you said about Stefan's selfishness. It's like the light went on above my head and now I know why sometimes I just want to choke him. Very good insight.

But I still love him. And eolivet had a very good point based on my theory that vamps in this universe have their personality pretty much imprinted upon them from their life-death date, and Stefan died as a teenager, and most teenagers are inherently selfish. Most (hopefully) grow out of it, Stefan never had that chance.

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bluesuzannebluesuzanne on September 24th, 2011 12:24 am (UTC)
Your entire Stefan section is so spot on. Like. I haven't finished reading the post but I just had to say that.
Arabian: Little Boy Bluearabian on September 25th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
Yuppers, he's selfish, but I do still love him. And eolivet had a very good point based on my theory that vamps in this universe have their personality pretty much imprinted upon them from their life-death date, and Stefan died as a teenager, and most teenagers are inherently selfish. Most (hopefully) grow out of it, Stefan never had that chance.
bluesuzannebluesuzanne on September 24th, 2011 12:30 am (UTC)
Dude, I'm dreading the Elena/Alaric shipping, because like you said, way gross. But it will never ever ever ever EVER EVER EVER HAPPEN. So at least there's that.

Even though I have major issues with the final D/E scene, I loved reading what you wrote about it, especially the part about how separate Damon's feelings for Stefan are from his feelings for Elena. very cool perspective.

And yeah, my issues with the writing aside, the Nina/Ian chemistry was OH MY GOD OFF THE CHARTS. As per. :)

AHAHAH AND OMG DEATHBED/KISSY THING. I've forgotten that line when I posted my thoughts, but god it was epic.
Arabian: Logan_Hiarabian on September 25th, 2011 09:00 pm (UTC)
Right, at least it will never, ever, ever happen because it's OBVIOUSLY supposed to be father/daughter-ish.

The Nina/Ian chemistry is just like WHOAH! And is another reason why I can't believe the number of people who genuinely believe that the show is never going to got here with Damon/Elena. Dude, you DO NOT just drop-kick chemistry like that and not exploit the hell out of it unless the characters are related and you really have no choice. And in this case, the entire set-up is that something WILL happen eventually.

OMG DEATHBED/KISSY THING. I've forgotten that line when I posted my thoughts, but god it was epic.

It was, and throwing her in the water. So wrong. So, so, so, so wrong. Yet, so insanely hysterical. I laughed SO HARD!
gidget_84gidget_84 on September 24th, 2011 05:30 am (UTC)
Agree with all you've said, as per usual :-)

The only thing I'm wondering about, is how it's all going to end up for Elena. I thought she told Stefan she didn't want to become a vampire, growing old and all that. So, no matter who she chooses in the end(Damon please)...will she just end up breaking up with him anyway in the future? She seemed pretty sure about not wanting to become a vampire, so unless that changes neither of them will get to be with her forever anyway, which is just too sad. After everything they've all gone through together, someday it may just all end :(
Arabian: Katherine05arabian on September 25th, 2011 09:03 pm (UTC)
See, for me, I think that the whole point of that speech to Stefan (which included her saying "I don't know what love is" -- BWAH! -- to Stefan's face, never mind that she tried to backtrack, she still said it) was to contrast eventually when she DOES decide to turn ... for Damon. I go back to how that speech in "162 Candles" about Lexi telling Elena that when it's real you know, talking about her boyfriend. Then Elena and Damon's talk about things being "real" in "Bloodlines," where Elena found out that Lexi's human boyfriend was turned because "if you want to be with someone forever, you have to live forever." Finally, we had the "real" discussion in "Fool Me Once" between Damon and Elena. So yeah, I think that Elena is going to get that point -- when she's a bit older -- where she decides that yes she wants to be with Damon forever, so she'll have to live forever.

This show does love it's parallels and follow-throughs.
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on September 24th, 2011 10:41 am (UTC)
"Because when I drag my brother back from the edge and deliver him to you, I want you to remember the things you felt while he was gone."

It's not that Damon doesn't know that Elena cares for him , or worries about him, he knows all that, Heck, she even told him all that AND that she LIKES him even, Just the way He is.. So he knows perfectly well, the main reason why, Elena, ALL OF A SUDDEN was so prompt at leaving the forest. But he wanted her to address it to herself in the truest way possible.

It's like Nina said that Elena knows she feelings for Damon, there is UNDENIABLE chemistry and the air between them is chunky (but she is not ready to put a finger on it YET!. Even then, having tense, chunky-ness within each other, they are so good and REAL with each other, almost like a married couple. They definitely have issues to deal with, but the way they work is almost effortlessly fluid.

Elena and her feelings for Damon are SO REAL, so evident. That's what Damon wants her to realize, to address and to familiarize with. In 2x01 "The Return" he came off a bit too strong on her, in his drunken state and at that time, although those same feelings were there, they weren't as strong, or she wasn't even ready to contemplate the idea of the existence of those feelings. She just knew that whatever feelings she has for Damon and whichever reasons she finds herself to constantly care about him is because she takes him AS A GOOD FRIEND.
Elena knows knows the extent and presence of these feelings, she is just NEVER ready to face them. He said to her "The Return" "There's something going on between us and you know it… You're lying to me, you're lying to Stefan but most of all you're lying to yourself". Damon just wants her to accept those stuff, to acknowledge that these feelings are that much loud, clear and real just like her love for Stefan is, no matter how much she tries to bury or ignore them. He wants her to remember these feelings and not just think of them as a fluke, as a fleeting moment’s hormonal shift which happened because of the situation or time-being. He wants her to understand the implication of the situation that they're in.
He won't ever pursue her in Stefan's absence, no never, bit he also wants her to stop lying to herself, because at one point in her life when she grows up and looks back she might start hating/questioning herself for the poor choice of her decisions and since Damon loves her, he might not allow that incidence to ever come across her life. Damon is thinking like a mature person that he is, and making her aware of stuff, it's more for her sake than his.

That's what I felt or feel about this line. :D
Arabian: NinaDobrev01arabian on September 25th, 2011 09:11 pm (UTC)
I can not disagree with any of this. :)
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on September 24th, 2011 11:41 am (UTC)
I'd like to quote a part of a review that I read recently, because that writer, conveyed my exact, E-X-A-C-T feelings regarding the Damon/Elena OVERALL situation and I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERY SINGLE LETTER. Sorry for pushing and writing about the same thing over but I can't get these facts out of me, and talking/discussing helps me, so on with it:

I did love their talk in the water, though … not what was said so much as just the tone of it. Last episode was all business and bickering, and this was a more like, ernest conversation about what they were doing and why. It bookended nicely with the conversation at the end in Elena’s bedroom where Damon made Elena tell him why she backed off when she clearly has no regard for her own safety and Alaric had the magic ring on.That’s something that I really like about Damon and Elena’s relationship in contrast with Elena and Stefan. It’s not that one is better than the other, but it seems like it plays out in really realistic ways. Stefan understands Elena and he’s so softhearted that he always knows what’s going on with her, and he wants to make her comfortable and happy. But with Damon, he kind of knows what’s going on, but he pushes her to do and say difficult things that … I don’t know. I don’t know if you can say that they NEED to be said, exactly, but … they’re honest. And I feel like any time you can be really honest, with someone else, yeah, but also with yourself, you just become a more complete person. Your decisions are more solid, and intentional, and even if Elena does have feelings for Damon (which I’m not sure she fully does YET, but she will), I think that whoever she chooses in the end, whether it’s Stefan, Damon, or herself, will be a better choice for having thoroughly considered all of her feelings on ALL of it, and leaving no lingering doubt and no what ifs.

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Arabian: NinaDobrev03arabian on September 25th, 2011 09:06 pm (UTC)
The only thing I didn't like was this continued assumption that reviewers (and Stefan/Elena fans) have that Stefan and Elena's relationship is ANYTHING but unhealthy. Take Damon, and Damon/Elena completely out of the equation. On their own, Stefan and Elena do NOT have a healthy relationship. They bring out the worst in each other, and are barely able to make each other smile during the constant AAAAAHHH! of their lives.

Other than that, I do agree.
Olga: LOST | Jate | The Moth Hugdreamingahead on September 24th, 2011 06:59 pm (UTC)
I ADORED the morning after scene, Carol's promise to fix things, to make things right, the teary way she smiled at him. Aah, Susan Walters has really made so much of this character.

I found the morning after scene quite poignant as well. She looked so distraught with apprehension that her bb can be a 'monster' and still remain the same person. Tyler really couldn't have found a better way to persuade her (even though he was risking a lot by exposing his secret because he couldn't predict her reaction with a 100% accuracy). I think this also shed some light on the origins of the aggressive behaviour of her husband, especially since Tyler said it was a family curse.

Ngl, the Carol/Caroline thing also bugs me a little.

ecause of speculation that Bill was Caroline's father, I was expecting it, but, honestly, I think I would have at the very least suspected it even without that speculation.

As someone who stays away from spoilers and promos, I was forever confused at 'Bill' appearing out of nowhere and wondering if I should know by now who he is supposed to be. I think that distracted me from making a connection to Caroline, so they got me at the end! I like the poetry of it being her dad, but at the same time I don't want her getting more crap from family... she only just managed to get Liz on board.

Because he's a selfish dude.

The phone call definitely showed that he's conflicted between having Elena and Damon stay away for their safety and exposing them to more danger as they attempt to save him, so there's definitely selfishness involved! Tbh I also think Stefan offing himself would just result in Klaus having a temper tantrum at losing his ~comrade~ and wiping out the whole town of Mystic Falls with Stefan and Elena in it.

Also, I saw his one last look at Elena as more of a goodbye rather than an invitation to keep looking for him (which she might have interpreted as such). I mean, he was kind of disobeying Klaus in killing Ray, and probably considered that Klaus might get angry and skip off with his master race of werepires leaving him to die in the woods.

Interesting, and great way to make it matter to Klaus that Elena is still alive other than as a petty revenge factor -- he has enough people he wants to kill based on that factor, it gets old.

THIS. The 'let's hope Klaus doesn't see you so you'll be safe' rule will no longer be an option, and it will make things that much more difficult with the search!

Roerig is so very much the weakest actor in this cast. Again, show, how could you kill off the luminous, uber-talented Sara Canning, and keep the weakest, most boring actor of your cast? *Sigh*

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree about Roerig. :( Ngl, I am kind of counting on Jeremy's seeing dead people abilities to bring us at least one more Jenna/Jeremy scene... they never even got to say goodbye.

Also, loved Damon calling Alaric "brother." Sigh. Love them so. :)


I loved that and how it probably originates in Damon missing Stefan. Tbh I didn't really pay much attention to Alaric last season, but these two episodes alone have let him shine like never before!

Arabian: Alaric02arabian on September 25th, 2011 09:18 pm (UTC)
I found the morning after scene quite poignant as well.

Susan Walters has just done such a lovely job in this role.

As someone who stays away from spoilers and promos, I was forever confused at 'Bill' appearing out of nowhere and wondering if I should know by now who he is supposed to be.

It actually wasn't spoiled anywhere, there was just speculation -- that, of course, turned out to be right.

I like the poetry of it being her dad, but at the same time I don't want her getting more crap from family... she only just managed to get Liz on board.

Which shows how awesome Liz is! That she was able to put aside her LIFELONG fear/hatred of vampires to accept ... because, damnit, Liz is THAT awesome. (I am so saddened by the hate she gets in fandom.)

Tbh I also think Stefan offing himself would just result in Klaus having a temper tantrum at losing his ~comrade~ and wiping out the whole town of Mystic Falls with Stefan and Elena in it.

There is that possibility too, but I don't think Stefan would have even entertained that thought before that final scene between them, though.

Also, I saw his one last look at Elena as more of a goodbye rather than an invitation to keep looking for him

Either way, he was still inviting her to continue looking. Because say that Klaus had killed him, how would Damon and Elena know? It would be a while before they knew for sure and that would expose the two of them to Klaus WITHOUT Stefan's protection. So, yeah, for me, selfish either way ... and this way is actually worse. He just doesn't think. But he does have a teenager's mentality (if you go with my theory).

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree about Roerig. :( Ngl, I am kind of counting on Jeremy's seeing dead people abilities to bring us at least one more Jenna/Jeremy scene... they never even got to say goodbye.

I would sooooo love that. Of course, I would also so love if they COULD bring people back -- imagine if there was some spell/thingie, that would restore them (okay, I really only care about Jenna), but back as a human, maybe even wiped clean of those memories. If they could come up with some one-time hocus pocus that could bring Jenna back, I'd be SO cool with that.

I loved that and how it probably originates in Damon missing Stefan.

Yeah. *sigh*

Tbh I didn't really pay much attention to Alaric last season, but these two episodes alone have let him shine like never before!

Really? I pretty much loved Alaric from his second episode (when he called the Mayor on his douchebaggery) and then all of the Damon/Alaric stuff just warmed my heart so.

Edited at 2011-09-25 09:19 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - dreamingahead on September 29th, 2011 10:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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