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15 September 2011 @ 11:59 pm
3.01 - 'The Birthday' (The Vampire Diaries)  
I have to get the obligatory OMG!!VAMPIRE DIARIES!!SQUEE!YAY!OMG!!out of the way.

Phew. Okay, deep breath. Thinky think thoughts time.

I am very happy my show is back, and I do think that this was a great episode. It's just ... well, for The Vampire Diaries, great is kinda subpar. Fair or not, it's human nature to compare and so like many compared season 2's finale to season 1's and found it wanting (I wasn't one of them, but still, I know and understood why a lot were), I couldn't help but compare this to the season's 2 premiere, "The Return." In my opinion, "The Return" was the second greatest episode this show has produced. And this is a show that produces a helluva lot of jaw-droppingly awesome episodes. (Literally jaw-dropping!) So comparatively, well, this one didn't live up to its predecessor. To quote sarcasticcheese, it didn't underwhelm, but it didn't overwhelm either. It just ... whelmed.

A perfect example were the last two scenes: Stefan gets all misty-eyed over Elena, Elena reassures Stefan of her undying love (excuse the sound of my gagging). Followed by Caroline creeping out of Tyler's room, and then getting wood-shot by Carol Lockwood.

Number two first, was it really that shocking? As soon as Caroline said that Tyler's mom kept looking at her funny, I knew she suspected her of being a vampire, and so this just wasn't ooh!shocking! as most of their cliffhangers are. Especially compared with last season's premiere. You had OMG! Katherine telling Damon she never loved him. WHAT?! Damon kissed Elena! HOLY SHIT!?!? Damon killed Jeremy!?!? OH WAIT, THANK GOD! He has a ring! WHAT THE FREAKING HELL!?!? KATHERINE JUST KILLED CAROLINE AND SHE WILL NOW BE A VAMPIRE.

All of that compared to ... Caroline was sussed out as being a vampire by Carol Lockwood. Okay, then. Oh, yeah, and Stefan and Elena still have the twuest wuv that ever wuved! Yes, let's look at number one.

Stefan and Elena and their never-ending declarations of the overpowering strength of their love (that strength, that, let's get real, hasn't done much of anything to save either one of them beyond waking Elena up from her post-parental-death fugue state way back in early season 1). Bottom-line, we've so beyond been there and done that. DO NOT CARE. And judging from the lack of enthusiasm from anyone beyond their minority fanbase -- yes, I'm basing this on the numbers, the polls, the articles, the buzz, the, oh, I don't know EVERYTHING that one can base this upon -- not many people care. They are the epitome of tell/don't show, stupid, epic teenage love and they make me groan and roll my eyes. Which brings me to my big (only) frustration with the show that this episode sadly did nothing to alleviate.

This show has based their promotion on a triangle from day one. DAY ONE. Of the two halves of that triangle, one is INCREDIBLY popular, sweeping polls left and right, getting buzz and article write-ups left and right, the questions are asked about them constantly. One has also been featured steadily and consistently since day one, and whose fandom has been given handouts of 'here, take this and enjoy and revel in the awesomeness of your couple' every single episode since day one. That first incredibly popular couple -- that would be Damon and Elena -- is not the one with the handouts -- that would be Stefan and Elena. No, that incredibly popular couple and their fandom pretty much have gotten crapped on quite a bit, and quite, quite consistently most of last season. This episode, the first of the new season, did not help in that regard.

I am so glad that I did not expect any major Damon/Elena moments in this episode. Because other than a few sweet moments, we didn't get any. Yet! The Stefan/Elena fanbase sure got theirs. Elena's loyalty to Stefan ringing through every scene, and that final scene with yet another twu wuv declaration that really pissed me off for non Damon/Elena reasons. (More on that later.) Look, I do get that it made sense. Nothing that happened with Elena, her feelings for Stefan or Stefan/Elena's phone call was out of character, it all made perfect sense. It just, well, it wasn't necessary to end (or near-end) the show on. Had we gotten that scene after Stefan left the bar the first time, or even after he killed Andie, I would have rolled my eyes, but I wouldn't have been annoyed.

I was annoyed because, once again, the writers chose to shower Stefan/Elena fans with more gifts, and the Damon/Elena fans? Got snarky, asshole-ish Damon. (More on that later too. Spoiler? I LOVED IT!) Got Damon keeping secrets. Had every full-on Damon/Elena scene ALL. ABOUT. STEFAN. Including the one softer scene where Damon gave her a gift. (Damnit, we should have at least gotten that one.) Instead, we got one moment in that scene (albeit wonderful), and one on the balcony. And that's it. It's not fair; and it's not enough at this point.

Am I keeping score? Damn straight. Because we are soooooooooooo beyond losing, and it's ridiculous. You sell this show on a triangle, you spent the first two years focusing so completely on one half of that triangle, with just a few dips here and there, few and far between for the other, the imbalance is blatant. Come season 3, you need to start sharing the wealth. This episode didn't look very promising in that direction. It may change; I actually expect it too. I do expect more Damon/Elena this season, no question. However, they lost 600,000 viewers over the course of last season, nothing will convince me that pissed-off Damon/Elena fans and/or bored non-Stefan/Elena fans weren't a big enough part of the cause. People -- and I know this for sure based on comments I've been reading since the finale -- will stop watching if Damon/Elena aren't clearly, obviously represented. I don't know if they'll even show up next week. I hope so. Taking the couple aspect out of it, this is still a fantastically awesome show. But, this is a business, and spitting on and/or neglecting half of your selling point -- especially the most popular half -- is NOT a good business move. That's all I'm saying.

Okay, about tonight specifically. One more bitching bit and then I'm onto the squee -- because despite all of the above -- I did really, really, really like the episode.

I mentioned above that the final Stefan/Elena scene pissed me off for non Damon/Elena reasons. Damn straight! Here's Damon wrecking Stefan's room, clearly torn up to shreds about his brother. Cut to Stefan, walking out in the dark, clearly torn up to shreds about what he did to his brother, especially after Klaus' little speech. And my heart was all breaking for my beautiful Salvatore brothers. And then Stefan pulled the phone out and I went 'oh, hell, no.' Then it went to Elena and Stefan fucking called her and his whole emo-act outside wasn't about Damon, but about Elena. FOR REALS?!?!?!? FOR FUCKING REALS?!?!? It's bad enough you give me practically zero Damon/Elena real moments, but you take away what I thought was going to a be a deliciously angsty Damon/Stefan emo-brothers-across-the-distance moment. I am sorry, but that pissed me off. Grrrr.

Okay, other than that ... EVERYTHING ELSE WAS GREAT!!! WHEE!!! And going into bullet-points here now!

Damon/Stefan

- "Hello, brother." I died with glee over this. SO VERY AWESOME. Now THAT was a wonderful callback to a premiere -- THE premiere. So freaking awesome. LOVED. IT!

- Damon searching so hard for Stefan, going out on leads, tracking him all over, and getting close enough that Klaus wants him shut down. Oh, Damon! And Stefan's all, you know I'll come back because he's got to keep Damon safe. :sobs: at the brotherly love! And hopefully, this will put to rest (once and for all) this stupid fantasy that Damon hasn't really cared to look for Stefan because he's going to use this opportunity to get into Elena's pants.

- Also, so we do know for absolute sure now that Damon has seen Stefan's work before. And I had to be almost sadly amused at Elena's assertion that it wasn't Stefan, as if she knows better than Damon. Because she doesn't, she really doesn't. Damon knows his brother a lot, lot better. And it was killing him, this knowledge.

Damon/Alaric

- Love, just so, so, so much love. I just love how they are so in synch with each other, sharing, caring, joking, serious. AWESOME BROMANCE FTW!!

- Heh, after Damon described the reason for "the ripper" nickname, Alaric so had this look of: I'm not gonna throw up. Not gonna lose my cool in front of Damon.

Stefan/Klaus

- Speaking of the ripper stuff, first of all, I'm wondering if the show is dropping the idea from the original side that all out-of-control vampires are called rippers, and making it just a Stefan-nickname. Sure sounds like it from the way Damon described Stefan's M.O.

- And, damn, what an M.O. The show really went balls to the wall from the get-go. Having Klaus walk out, and hearing the girl's screams that could have only been caused by Stefan. And, then of course, the aftermath, blood handprints everywhere, hell, *blood* everywhere, and then the neatly re-aligned body parts, and Damon's descriptions of the why. Oh. My. God. Seriously? I got full-on body shivers of UGGGGHHHH! from that. Well-done, show! It was quite horrifying.

- Also horrifying? That Stefan compelled the bar of patrons to be totally chill to the torture of Ray Sutton. I mean, dayum! So chilling. They are throwing darts at him, chaining him up, forcing wolfsbane down him, feeding him, and killing him and the patrons are just kicking back, drinking their drinks, having a good time. WHOAH!

- Not so whoah? Yeah, sorry, Joseph Morgan isn't cutting it for me. I find Stefan more menacing than him. He just doesn't have the charisma or gravitas to make this role work for me. Sorry, lovely guy, but I think they dropped the ball on casting Klaus. Sorry. :(

Tyler/Caroline/Matt

- Candice Accola and Michael Trevino do have chemistry, it's just not overwhelming (or even whelming) to me at all. In fact, I thought there was more spark and chemistry in her two scenes with Matt than in any of her scenes with Tyler.

- And, FINALLY!, Matty is over Elena. When he came over and gave that over-enthusiastic kiss to her cheek, it was so not about Elena at all, but was all for Caroline's benefit!

- Going back to comparing the premieres ... I am sorry, ya'll, but you can't have a make-out scene between two characters, throwing each other around with supernatural strength in the freaking premiere and NOT have a recall back to the make-out scene between two characters, throwing each other around with supernatural strength from the last premiere. And, yeah, Damon/Katherine? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY HOTTER!

- On a less prurient note, I did find it interesting that Tyler and Caroline had sex without any great declarations, any love, any BIG moment-ness of it. I do think that Matt/Caroline need not worry that their half of the triangle is done for (and Caroline/Stefan fans continue to have hope!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Jeremy/Matt

- I enjoyed most of their scenes a lot, and I think that introducing Matt back into the supernatural world via the Vicki-ghost is brilliant. I did think that his walking out all dopey with the ice cream, cut to ultra-serious, "what happened in the car" was lacking a bit more, uhm, transition, but still, I did really like their scenes.

Damon/Andie

- Okay, not all squee left, I am kinda annoyed. I don't like that they brought her back just to callously kill her off. (And I honestly think that it very well may have been done in retaliation for the actress leaking the Jenna-knows-reveal from episode 19 last season; other shows have "punished" actors for doing similar stuff in such ways. I'm not saying this is it for sure at all, I just wouldn't be surprised.) There was so much there in terms of the compulsion, Damon's treatment of her -- and no, if you read my episode review of "Klaus," you'll know, I personally don't consider it rape, it was made too clear that she was into him, chose to have sex with him pre-compulsion, not that it takes away how horribly he treated her though -- and we got ... nothing. I thought when she said that she wasn't his slave that we were going to find out that he wasn't compelling her anymore, but Alaric disabused me of that notion.

- I was frustrated with how the story played out, but this episode did confirm that, for me, Olivieri -- leaky leak or not! -- did do a great job, and actually made Andie more interesting than I think she was written.

- We knew from the promo that Andie was the one who fell (well, I knew it was, I kept saying so), but with Damon there, I was sure he would catch her and she wouldn't die. Clearly, so was Stefan! The way he zoomed him out of the way was chilling. And, yeah, I'll admit as well as I think the actress did, I really am not/was not up for more Damon/Andie sexytimes (and am THRILLED we got none in this episode, as I was soooo expecting them), so when she died I clapped and went "yay, she's dead." Oh, this show.

Damon

I must say I am proud of my bb, Damon. He was near the edge in this episode, pushed by Stefan, pushed by what happened to Andie -- because Stefan wanted to send him a message, pushed by Elena and yet he didn't break, he didn't explode, he didn't go off that edge. He tore apart Stefan's room a bit, but even pulled back and didn't go all ballistic on its inanimate ass. So, go, Damon. Definite progress, my dear.

And, on top of that, he was funny, naked, snarky, hot, jerky, gorgeous in blue, a total asshole, wet, caring, committed, soapy, loyal to his brother, and he's being so awesome with Elena. And did I mention that he was naked? :BIG GRIN:

Elena

Oh Elena. I know I bitched above about the whole Stefan/Elena thing driving me to the desire to spork my eyes (and ears) out, but I did feel for her. I do think this is totally in character. I loved Caroline calling her out on the fact that while no one wants her to give up on searching for Stefan (because he is Caroline's future true love!), neither does anyone want Elena to just let her life pass her by. She's 18, and Caroline's right, whatever crap is going on, she needs to experience life. After all, that's what she told Stefan, right? She wants to live, not be an undead 17-year old. Well, she's not now. She's 18 (ooh, older than Stefan. Hmmm...) and she needs to start living.

But she is still emotionally a wreck, and finding out that Stefan was the one with the victims, and it not be Klaus, finding out that Damon's been keeping all of this from her? Oh, Alaric, lousy timing, dude. Such lousy timing in leaving now, at this moment. Oy!

Damon/Elena

Ah, saved the best for last. Honestly, I don't know if I would have more to ooh! and aah! here if the CW hadn't decided to pre-air enough of almost all of their scenes, but they did, and so there just wasn't much. Even their most lovely scene -- him giving her the necklace -- mostly wasn't a DAMON/Elena scene because Stefan was VERY much there in the room, in the scene. Even his gift was all about Stefan canonically, I suppose. Personally, I associate that necklace much more with Damon/Elena now (1.14, 2.08, and now this), but judging from the way Elena clutched the necklace after hearing of Stefan's misdeeds, it's clear that we are supposed to associate it with her and Stefan's twu wuv. So, yeah, even Damon's gift for Elena was actually another boon for the Stefan/Elena fans. *sigh*

Still, {happy} *sigh*, there were a few moments that I adored in this scene. (Oh heck, about Stefan a lot or not, I still did love the scene -- I so squeed over the little touch of Damon rubbing his finger over Elena in the photo.) Ah, but those little moments, I did totally love. And I loved them in large part because it was on Elena's end, not Damon's. *She* asked him to put the necklace on her. And when *she* turned around so close to him still, that tense moment -- OOH! CHEMISTRY! -- between them that was broken by Damon, and not Elena. I did love, love that. Not only because whatever Elena may say, whatever she may believe, her subconscious does show that there is definitely *something* there. Also, this shows that Damon is not going after her, he's not trying to woo her, seduce her, take advantage of Stefan out of the picture. Awww. Finally, that smile on her face when she told him "I am happy." So sincere and real and one of only a few times where she genuinely smiled in the entire episode.

I also loved how she casually took Damon's drink, drank from his glass, and then just as casually returned it back to him. I also loved the quick look that flashed on Alaric's face when she did that. It really does bespeak of such a natural intimacy between them. Niiiice.

And, another Damon/Elena bit, even if Damon wasn't there, was also one of my favorite scenes: The Elena, Caroline, Tyler scene cracked me up SO MUCH!

Tyler: He's into you.
Caroline: Tyler!
Tyler: {Cautiously} Isn't he?... You did kiss him.
Caroline: TYLER!... Just because I tell you things doesn't mean you're supposed to know!
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!

So funny. And, of course, it gave us the only mention of the events on Damon's deathbed. (Although, thank you, previouslies which DID heighten the Damon/Elena aspect of the triangle very much over the Stefan/Elena angle -- please be foreshadowing for this season!)*. I am disappointed that we didn't get Damon's jibe to Elena about remembering it (Ian Somerhalder mentioned it in a pre-air interview, but it obviously didn't make the cut. Wonder if we'll see it in the DVD deleted scenes? Nah. It's Damon/Elena -- those NEVER show up in the deleted scenes. Grrr.) Still, we did get this, and I thought that Elena's "it was a goodbye kiss," was her trying to convince herself there (deliberate acting choice, I think). I'm not really bothered, honestly, though, that we didn't get more, because I do think that we will get more on throughout the season. And it is something that should slowly build into a greater discussion, an explosive moment, real feelings coming out. I sure hope so, anyway!

* Also what I hope is foreshadowing is that unlike the past two seasons which ended next week's promo with the shot of Damon/Elena/Stefan on the grassy hill, followed by Stefan and Elena lounging on said grassy hill, the shots we got tonight were quick cuts from the trio on the bed in black, all sweaty. First Stefan/Elena, but it was quick, and then Damon/Elena on whom it lingered (and they were the last image). So, hope springs eternal. :)

Phew! Okay, random thoughts ...

- Haha, I loved Damon as the most inappropriate role model (sorry, Alaric, Damon so beats you). He had no problem with the underage drinking, just not drinking his good stuff. He had no problem with Jeremy smoking pot, just wanted to know if it was a good stash. HEE!

- Damn, underage drinking and pot smoking galore. Damn, show!

- Hee! Loved a drunk Caroline vamp-tossing that partygoer because he was in her way.

- Hmm, Caroline was casually in Damon's bathroom. Okay, then.

- Wow! Caroline's boobs looked fantastic in that dress.

- As did Elena's! Fantastic outfits overall with Elena actually. That red top was gorgeous, and Nina looked FABULOUS in it. And that lovely, lovely white dress. Oh, just so beautiful and she looked heavenly in it, as did her hair, and yeah, her boobs! :)

- So, wow, way little Bonnie. Just a brief conversation with Jeremy via a cellphone image? Really?!

- Aww, Jenna! Pretty Jenna. WAH!! WHY, SHOW! WHY!?!??!?

I know there's more, more I'll think of, more that I'll ponder on based on other's posts, but I will save that for the rewatch post coming Saturday or Sunday. :)

So, thus ends my first thinky thoughts of season three of The Vampire Diaries. I did love it; I do love this show. It didn't measure up to last season's premiere (but then nothing all season did, it was just THAT damn good). But it was a strong, solid, GREAT episode.

And it's baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
 
 
 
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: Firefly: River Brainbadboy_fangirl on September 16th, 2011 04:57 am (UTC)
OMG, did Vickie really quote 10 Things I Hate About You? Because that's exactly how I felt and what I quoted in my journal! That's hysterical! Now I'm going to read all of your thoughts, I but I just had to comment on that first! Brain twins!
Arabian: Damon&Alaric01arabian on September 16th, 2011 05:02 am (UTC)
Yes, she did. And I latched onto it right away, pretty much finishing her thought with her. Seriously, it's scary how brain-twin-ny we all are about this show!!! (Well, for the most part. You'll see, I had some (cough) Stefan/Elena issues.)
(no subject) - badboy_fangirl on September 16th, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on September 16th, 2011 10:14 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Jude: tvd; ian and ninadanceonstardust on September 16th, 2011 05:29 am (UTC)
If I wasn't so exhausted I would be more enthusiastic with this post! lol. I agree about all points except... well, I actually didn't like Elena's dress. It's a pretty dress but for me it didn't suit Nina, I kind of wish there was a belt or something more for it. I did love Caroline's! As you said BOOBS! haha. I agree with also the S/E annoyance and the triangle problem. But I have to say, still a TB fan I had to deal with the last half of the season this year with their triangle. So this Stefan/Elena annoyance just doesn't bother me because I prefer suffering over it then with Bill/Sookie LOL!

Damon is wonderfully awesome and I miss him so much. I'm so used to nudity from TB that I was frowning when I didn't get to see more. XD

Well, I also agree about the whelmed-ness of this episode. We had "The Return" and well, as premieres go... you can't beat that.

Again, I'm tired and I have nothing else to go on. I'll say more soon! XD
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)03arabian on September 16th, 2011 09:57 pm (UTC)
Aww, I loved Nina's dress. Yeah, my dear, I'm thinking we may diverge on fashion-sense cuz I'm just not seeing a belt working there, hee.

Re: The triangle. Oh, I don't disagree that Stefan/Elena is a zillion times better than Bill/Sookie, and that the ridiclousness of that triangle isn't terrible, I just care way more about Damon/Elena and TVD than I do Eric/Sookie and TB, so it doesn't bother me like I know it bothers you as much as you love the couple/show. (You do follow hiddeneloise's journal, right? I think you would love her TB posts.)

Yeah, pretty much just whelmed. Yuppers.
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on September 16th, 2011 05:32 am (UTC)
it didn't underwhelm, but it didn't overwhelm either. It just ... whelmed.

Apart from Stefan and his bloodbath and Damon's discovery of Stefan's victim and Damon's description of Stefan's M.O. nothing shocked me much.
Well, maybe how Andie died, and Damon desperate "Not Cool Brother.....No no no....no, no, no".
Although why did Damon not guess fishy was up. Maybe he didn't think his brother would go out and do AS MUCH to prove a point, hunger aside, killing someone just to prove a point is more Klaus's thing, guess Damon got that wrong!

I loved how Stefan was so very prompt at going for the rescue for his brother .
TRUE I don't like more naked Damon/Andie scenes and as you mentioned I would've choked on my own vomit if there was a bed scene between Damon/Andie, but her death felt kinda rushed.....
AND NOW I FINALLY UNDERSTAND what Somerhalder meant in his interview. I mean now, Damon can't even get a new "ANDIE" because he's friends with Elena and like Kevin said, because of her, he won't be able to do his "usual" stuff.

Damon walked out naked off the tub to get himself a bottle after Andie's catty reply. I was like "Whoa". Honestly, I thought he was gonna compel Andie, but like Elena said, he heard her, so he went downstairs.

Stefan and Elena's phone call. SERIOUSLY!. After Klaus's jab that Stefan can't get rid of family, I thought he was gonna reminisce his FAMILY. Okay I understand the phone call, but seriously HOW MUCH MORE STEFAN/ELENA AND THEIR "EPIC LOVE" WILL BE SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS, they should let us know, Ill resume watching when that period ends!

Stefan was BAD-ASS, the "Hello Brother" How cool was that??!! Made me remember those "golden" times/episodes :D
Klaus seemed like a forced wannabe evil compared to Stefan's natural evil persona. He was so calm and cool and "Hey guys, be cool, have your drinks, we are gonna just have some fun playing "Darts of Wolfsbane Terror/ Hit the Werewolf" LoL

LOVED the Damon/Alaric chemistry. Alaric's face while inspecting Stefan's, it felt like he he was concentrating hard on Damon's words to stop himself from throwing up. And I'm glad that Kevin Williamson is FINALLY bringing out the "bad boys" as in the gory, bloody mess that is kinda his signature (obvious in movies like "Scream Franchise"). JENNA, god why remind us of her again, it opened and scratched still fresh wounds!

Lack of Damon/Elena was frustrating. And embedding whatever scenes they had with heavy Stefan doses *sigh*

Tyler/Caroline romp looked like a scene from college movies, it was good but compared to last season's Damon/Katherine Pffshhhh....

Elena looked gorgeous both in the red top and the dress. I loved how Damon was inspecting her leaning on the door frame, loved their little "moments"

Caroline's boobs!! I mean I'm straight as they come....but Dayuum!!!
Elena looked awesome too, but CAROLINE...she was on a different level, I mean "Thanks...Now Leave ", "Excuse Me" and lifts the guy, and shoves the bottle on Damon's chest while being pulled away by Tyler.

and no, if you read my episode review of "Klaus," you'll know, I personally don't consider it rape,

Hunny...I love you soo much for echoing my thoughts about the "rape" here. I have read this "rape" bit quite a few times and it left me pissed off beyond limits. LOT of people says Damon RAPED Caroline and Andie. Uhm HOW? Caroline was more than enjoying Damon's ministrations, it was when he pulled out the fangs that she got scared, and Andie practically threw herself at Damon, HOW IS THAT RAPE? If those are rape then what Katherine did with Stefan should be called Rape as well...right? Do we see Stefan complaining tht Katherine RAPED him? He says as much as that she compelled and manipulated both him and Damon. I agree Damon behaved horribly with both Caroline and Andie, used them, but NEVER raped them. Thank you for agreeing!!

And I'm sorry my comments become sooo big, really sorry, I find so much agreeable stuff with what you write, and I can't stop myself. *smiles sheepishly*
I'm sure I'll have more things to say after a re-watch and I'll surely not miss the re-watch post!! I just love reading and sharing thoughts like this!!!



Arabian: Damon08arabian on September 16th, 2011 09:59 pm (UTC)
Apart from Stefan and his bloodbath and Damon's discovery of Stefan's victim and Damon's description of Stefan's M.O. nothing shocked me much.

Exactly. I mean, Caroline getting sussed out and shot by Carol was surprising, but not shocking and it just wasn't an OMG! moment which is what we got IN SPADES last premiere.

Well, maybe how Andie died

I didn't find that shocking because I was positive that was Andie from the promo since she was who we saw normally dressed like that.

Although why did Damon not guess fishy was up.

What do you mean? When he got the message? I don't think it crossed his mind that Stefan was back in town, and that, yeah, he would go that far. Killing someone just to send a message. That's Damon's M.O. not Stefan's. So I didn't find that odd at all.

TRUE I don't like more naked Damon/Andie scenes and as you mentioned I would've choked on my own vomit if there was a bed scene between Damon/Andie, but her death felt kinda rushed.....

Which is why I still think it's very possible that it was payback for that Jenna reveal. :Shrugs:

AND NOW I FINALLY UNDERSTAND what Somerhalder meant in his interview.

I didn't even make that correlation; yeah, I think you're totally right. And for me, it confirms what I believed in that they weren't going to go back so horribly with Damon. There was too much in that journey last season for it to all be flushed away.

Stefan and Elena's phone call. SERIOUSLY!. After Klaus's jab that Stefan can't get rid of family, I thought he was gonna reminisce his FAMILY. Okay I understand the phone call, but seriously HOW MUCH MORE STEFAN/ELENA AND THEIR "EPIC LOVE" WILL BE SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS

I'm really hoping that was the last BOOM! big one for a while. Really, really hoping because I am so done with them. I need to have an episode or two or three or more that I can enjoy without anvils of Stefan and Elena's twuest wuv that ever wuved crap raining down on my head.

Lack of Damon/Elena was frustrating. And embedding whatever scenes they had with heavy Stefan doses *sigh*

But it makes sense at this point. I'm annoyed, but I'm annoyed from a couple-girl and 'this is bad business' point of view, not from a 'this show is AWESOME!' point of view. It DOES make sense; it's not out of character, I'm just personally done. :( And I really, really set myself up to not expect much Damon/Elena so I was not disappointed in that regard. Now if even the first half of the season doesn't start to build up with more, I will be, but I'm not as of yet.

Caroline's boobs!! I mean I'm straight as they come....but Dayuum!!! Elena looked awesome too, but CAROLINE...she was on a different level

Eh, I think Nina is by far the best-looking of the females. Candice's boobs looked awesome, but while I think she's pretty, I don't think she's anywhere near Nina in terms of beauty. Nina's just WHOAH! Candice is pretty. Doesn't take away from the fact that yes, Caroline remains uber-awesome.

Hunny...I love you soo much for echoing my thoughts about the "rape" here.

I don't know if you read my review of "Klaus" -- just click on the "ep-discussion tvd" tag on this one and you'll see looooong reviews like this on every season 2 episode. I really expounded on this thing in that episode write-up.

And I'm sorry my comments become sooo big.

I love long responses. Never apologize for the length!

Edited at 2011-09-16 10:26 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - mridul777 on September 17th, 2011 08:56 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on September 17th, 2011 12:11 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Dianabutterfly on September 16th, 2011 05:38 am (UTC)
The only bit that kinda jarred for me was the S/E phonecall. I really liked the rest, but after all the family stuff and the build-up, I was disappointed when Stefan called Elena.

Also, it kinda felt like they were contradicting the rest of the episode. He kills Andie to stop Damon from hunting him but then calls and gives Elena hope that will lead to a continued hunt? I guess we're showing that Stefan is conflicted.

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Arabian: Stefan03arabian on September 16th, 2011 10:00 pm (UTC)
The only bit that kinda jarred for me was the S/E phonecall. I really liked the rest, but after all the family stuff and the build-up, I was disappointed when Stefan called Elena.

Exactly. It felt so much like it was gearing up to be an awesome brothers moment, and I was even getting prepared for utter verklempt-ness and then, boom!, it suddenly jumped to being emo about Elena? What? I get that he is, but the scenes leading up to it did not gel.

Also, it kinda felt like they were contradicting the rest of the episode. He kills Andie to stop Damon from hunting him but then calls and gives Elena hope that will lead to a continued hunt? I guess we're showing that Stefan is conflicted.

As I said in your journal, it didn't bother me because it was so very, very in character for Stefan. He just doesn't think, and when it comes to Elena, he totally becomes that stupid, dumb-ass teenage boy, and UGH! I just am so over them at this point. SO DONE.
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crowandfog: TVD: Damon/Elena a work in progresscrowandfog on September 16th, 2011 06:41 am (UTC)
Wow, we have such different perspectives! It's makes me so glad that you're on my flist because you always give me a lot to think about. I love that we can agree and disagree and agree to disagree.

Clearly, we disagree about the phone call. Stefan had just ensured that Damon would not be following him anymore, which means that Stefan probably had to let go of any hopes he had of getting away from Klaus (assuming he had any such hopes). To me, I thought he called Elena because he was accepting the fact that he really wasn't going to be going back to Mystic Falls and that he and Elena were over. I mean, Damon's words "not in your lifetime" were what stuck with me. Stefan will probably see Damon again someday, but, right now, seeing Elena ever again looks like an impossibility. And I felt like Elena, after having her talk with Damon, was trying to give Stefan some hope. The first thing she said was, "You'll be okay." That wasn't about how much she loves him, but about the fact that Stefan will SURVIVE this, which is something that Stefan might not be too sure about at the moment. Yeah, she then told him that she loved him, but that's a typical ending to a conversation with a loved one that you might never hear from again. As to whether or not that scene belonged in the episode? I don't know. For me, it worked emotionally, but it wasn't essential to the plot (as far as we know right now).

Probably the reason that worked for me is that I don't mind Stefan/Elena. I don't LIKE them, but I also don't feel the need to throw things when they are on the screen. To me, a love triangle means a character who has sexual tension with two different love interests, forcing the character to choose between them--which is what I think we have. So beyond that, I don't really feel like the writers owe me anything. I was never promised that Damon/Elena would be canon. Do I want it to be? Of course. And if they lose that sexual tension, I will be angry, but otherwise I'm fine (at least, for now). But I realize that my point of view is a bit rare, so you are probably right about D/E shippers and the ratings.

Totally agree with you about Stefan's creepiness.

Wow! Chemistry is so subjective! Our thoughts on Tyler/Caroline are so very different. I do see the sparks between M/C, but I find T/C brighter.

Re: the necklace. To me the necklace symbolizes that, while Stefan was the one who introduced Elena to this supernatural world, Damon will be the one to keep her in it. I think it's true that the necklace holds more significance for the D/E pairing than S/E, and I think the writers know that too and used it for a reason. I know that in that scene D and E were thinking about S, but they were also having a moment of understanding between themselves. It's not at all uncommon for people to bond through mourning over a mutual loss. (It's even happened to me personally that way.) It doesn't mean that the loss is the focus of the relationship; it can just be a catalyst. So I'm not upset that Stefan's presence was felt during their scenes.

Regarding the cliffhangers. I was surprised that Carol managed to recognize a vampire and do something about it on her own. Has anyone else on the council managed that? LOL. Liz always had to have someone point the vampire out to her.
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Brothersbutterfly on September 16th, 2011 03:48 pm (UTC)
Stefan had just ensured that Damon would not be following him anymore, which means that Stefan probably had to let go of any hopes he had of getting away from Klaus (assuming he had any such hopes). To me, I thought he called Elena because he was accepting the fact that he really wasn't going to be going back to Mystic Falls and that he and Elena were over.

Calling Elena just seems like such a guaranteed way of undoing what he did in killing Andie. After I got past my disappointment that the additional brothers moment that I was expecting didn't happen, that's what started bugging me. Stefan kills Andie to stop Damon from chasing him and having hope... but calling Elena gives her more hope and she's going to chase harder and Damon won't abandon her to that and Klaus will find out that she's alive.

I mean, I get that Stefan called her on impulse, most likely, but I find it frustrating that Andie died for nothing.
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ancholiaancholia on September 16th, 2011 10:06 am (UTC)
Oooh, so many things to say/comment here! First, I agree that this episodes was really nice but didn't equal the greatness of 2x01.
There was a lot of scenes I liked and a few that disappointed me.

I completely agree with you about the end scene when Stefan calls Elena when I really thought he was going to call Damon (especially after Klaus' little speech about family and Damon destroying Stefan's room). I'm pissed because I think the writer wasted an important scene there. It would have been so much stronger and touching and meaningful if he would have called Damon.

Same with Andie, I liked when she told Damon she wasn't his slave. I thought "Oh yeah, you right girl". Here again, I think the writers wasted a good opportunity to explore how much Andie is compelled and how much she does willingly. I'm a delena shipper but while it happens, it would be nice to see Damon in a relationship with someone who like hime and support him. So killing Andie, not a good idea I think.

Now, for the good parts: Tyler was so funny, it's like he was saying what the fans are thinking and I love how blunt he was. Clearly, Elena was a bit embarassed and she talked about Caroline about the kiss!!! That means that it's been bothering her, I take that as a good sign.

Oh and Elena drinking Damon's glass, hilarious. This scene hints that Elena is changing. In the first season, she would have yelled at Jeremy but here non, she tells Alaric to take care of the situation and she drinks!

BTW, the chemistry between Damon and Elena when he put the necklace on her was powerful! Sexual tension, here it comes. :P

They were a few more things I like but this comment is already longer that I intended, lol. All in all, it was a good first episode and I can't wait to see more.

Arabian: Damon&Alaric03arabian on September 16th, 2011 10:06 pm (UTC)
Oooh, so many things to say/comment here! First, I agree that this episodes was really nice but didn't equal the greatness of 2x01.

Pretty much, yup, that covers it. LOL!

I completely agree with you about the end scene when Stefan calls Elena when I really thought he was going to call Damon (especially after Klaus' little speech about family and Damon destroying Stefan's room). I'm pissed because I think the writer wasted an important scene there. It would have been so much stronger and touching and meaningful if he would have called Damon.

Honestly, had they not built it up (in my opinion, and clearly in others) that it WOULD be a Stefan/Damon thing, I don't think that I would have been pissed. I would have been a little eye-roll-y, but not pissed. It's like, don't offer such a prime opportunity for awesome Damon/Stefan angst and then rip it away from me, yo!

Same with Andie, I liked when she told Damon she wasn't his slave.

I liked Andie, but I had non-Andie related problems with her, and the relationship. As for wanting to see Damon in another relationship, I'm one of those shippers who really is couple first before character, and as much as I don't like seeing Elena with Stefan, I don't want to see Damon with anyone else either.

it would be nice to see Damon in a relationship with someone who like hime and support him.

See, I don't see why you put Andie in this relationship because the liking him (as he is) and support is based on compulsion. On the other hand, he *already* has two people who like and support him as he is. (Alaric and Elena. Sure, Elena not give him exactly what he wants, but she does like him and supports him as is.)

BTW, the chemistry between Damon and Elena when he put the necklace on her was powerful! Sexual tension, here it comes. :P

So agreed!

FYI: I never mind the long comments. :)
x5valex5vale on September 16th, 2011 11:37 am (UTC)
The most important thing pointed out in this episode for me it's the brotherly love.

They picked up where they left off: Stefan showing all his love for Damon, Damon showing his love for Stefan. As long as I have this, I will love the show, no matter what.

I loved to see Damon's pain and hurt. I loved to see how he was around Elena and Alaric.

I didn't really like that Stefan killed Andie. Not at all.

I must say I am proud of my bb, Damon. He was near the edge in this episode, pushed by Stefan, pushed by what happened to Andie -- because Stefan wanted to send him a message, pushed by Elena and yet he didn't break, he didn't explode, he didn't go off that edge. He tore apart Stefan's room a bit, but even pulled back and didn't go all ballistic on its inanimate ass. So, go, Damon. Definite progress, my dear.

And, on top of that, he was funny, naked, snarky, hot, jerky, gorgeous in blue, a total asshole, wet, caring, committed, soapy, loyal to his brother, and he's being so awesome with Elena. And did I mention that he was naked? :BIG GRIN:/i>
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Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on September 17th, 2011 11:38 pm (UTC)
The most important thing pointed out in this episode for me it's the brotherly love. They picked up where they left off: Stefan showing all his love for Damon, Damon showing his love for Stefan. As long as I have this, I will love the show, no matter what.

Exactly. And that's why I was so annoyed when they had Stefan call Elena. Grrr. You know, if they had just had him pull out the phone, pull up Damon's number, look at it and then exit out of the number, start to put the phone away, hesitate and THEN cut to Elena, that would have worked completely.
eolivet on September 16th, 2011 01:01 pm (UTC)
I liked the premiere -- I was engaged by it, it made me gasp a few times (though I agree the main "cliffhanger" was a bit underwhelming).

I look at Klaus like The Master from Doctor Who, and Stefan/Klaus if the Master and a really dark, messed up Ten ever went on the road together. ;p I think Klaus is actually a nice contrast to...well...Damon. Because Klaus has supplanted Damon as the other vampire in Stefan's life. Klaus is cooler and more deceptive, and Stefan is still the strong, silent type. I think having Klaus a little more OTT makes Stefan scarier, which is a great choice. We have to feel that Stefan has really changed, and contrasting him with Klaus is a great way to do so.

If say, Klaus and Elijah's roles were reversed, Stefan would constantly be getting lost in the scene. He needs someone who can play off him and not constantly overshadow him. IDK, I think Morgan and Wesley have good acting chemistry.

And similar to crowandfog, I didn't see anything (much) romantic in Stefan calling Elena on her birthday. As I said in the ep discussion, having killed...what...three women that day (couple of days) and tortured a werewolf, I think Stefan was trying to find his humanity. And calling Elena on her birthday is a human thing to do (glad the show didn't have her answer the phone in her white dress, with Stefan's black shirt, because THAT would've been a little much). But the metaphor still stands, I think. IDK...the fact that Stefan said nothing kind of impressed me. Which made me think it didn't matter what Elena said -- he just wanted to be reminded of a human connection. He doesn't have very many of those left.

To me, the weakest scenes were the party -- I hated the underage drinking and drugs (despite how hot Jeremy is looking now ;) -- it just seemed so unnecessary. And yeah, I thought Caroline and Tyler had good sexual chemistry.

I saw a lot of Damon's strange eye thing in the scene where Elena finds the tracking of Stefan and Klaus, but precious little of it in the necklace scene, so that was good.

I liked it, but didn't love it. Next week's looks interesting, but IDK -- I'll take emo ripper!Stefan over...regular emo!Stefan any day. ;)
Arabian: Damon & Elena13arabian on September 18th, 2011 02:25 pm (UTC)
I liked the premiere -- I was engaged by it, it made me gasp a few times (though I agree the main "cliffhanger" was a bit underwhelming).

This is how I felt about it. :)

If say, Klaus and Elijah's roles were reversed, Stefan would constantly be getting lost in the scene. He needs someone who can play off him and not constantly overshadow him. IDK, I think Morgan and Wesley have good acting chemistry.

I do agree with this. And frankly it's nice to see Paul be the highlight/more charismatic one in a scene -- opposite Ian, it's just not ... well, it's not fair.

It wasn't the "romance" of him calling her, it was him calling her RIGHT after we had such a promise of Damon/Stefan-angsty goodness. It just exacerbated my S/E issues because it interfered with by Salvatore Brothers love.

I think Stefan was trying to find his humanity

Which made what he did to Andie completely pointless. Oh, Stefan. So selfish. But I still love ya.

I'd say the underage drinking was unnecessary, but it was true to life.
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Arabian: Elena01arabian on September 18th, 2011 05:02 pm (UTC)
You know I go long when it comes to this show!

Damon/Stefan - Yes, I agree with all of your words concerning these two.

D/A - Broken, record, but yes, me too. :)

Stefan/Klaus - I won't say he's blowing me away, but he's coming across better in the rewatch. (My initial opinion may have been based on residual Elijah frustration.)

Tyler/Caroline/Matt - It was just like a sex scene, whatever. And I've even read people saying that it went on too long (even after ooh!ing and aah!ing). If you think that went on too long, then yeah, they aren't bringing the heat. It was just two pretty people scantily clad and getting it on. There was nothing special about it.

Jeremy/Matt - I wouldn't judge Matt getting stoned here as how he will be. I think this was a one-time thing, he's still responsible Matty.

Damon/Andie - You know despite whatever issues I had, I did like the character. The actress did a good job with her, and yeah, the writers really dropped the ball on this one.

Elena - I LOVE THIS SO MUCH. I WOULD HUG YOU AND SQUISH SO HARD IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Damon/Elena - Ooh, boy, I've got more where that came from for the rewatch! :D
vanimy: D/E finalevanimy on September 16th, 2011 10:47 pm (UTC)
God, I love your reviews!

This premiere left me a little underwhelmed to be honest. It probably comes from the fact the ending disappointed me, there was no shocker moment (and I wasn't really spoiled), that Stefan/Elena scene and that underwhelming cliffhanger. It wasn't a good way to end the episode, I kept waiting for something more but alas... there was just Caroline being attacked by Carol Lockwood, as you said a little bit surprising but not shocking.

I feel like I'm being so harsh on TVD. I really enjoyed the episode but I wanted to be blown away as I usually am and it didn't feel that way.

About Caroline/Tyler :

I really liked their relationship last season but I didn't feel any hot chemistry here. probably because there was no build up. That sex scene came out of nowhere, last time we saw them they were just friends and all of a sudden Caroline is jealous and they're having sex. Whaaat? i didn't think of comparing the hot scene from last year but it's even worse now I'm comparing the two. :o

-About Damon/Elena :

I wasn't expecting much so I wasn't really disappointed about the lack of scenes. Like you I appreciated the subtle things, the drinking from his glass stuck with me too, the glances and the hot!damn chemistry. I felt like it was burning my screen, the invading of personal spaces, Damon coming too close with barely a towel on, the necklace scene. Chemistry! It's such a shame the writers don't exploit this more. Can't they see the potential there??

-About Elena : she's my girl and I think she was the one who was the most in-character all episode. I think you're right about how she tried to justify the kiss to Caroline/Tyler it sounded like she was trying to convince herself.

-That infamous Stefan/Elena scene :

I too was disappointed. For one I was also awaiting something between Damon and Stefan and i was pissed Stefan called Elena instead (but i felt it coming from a mile away when he stepped outside, I just knew we would get a Stefan/Elena angsty scene...). I was even more pissed we didn't get an interaction between Damon and Stefan at the very end because of Damon's state and hurting because of Stefan. I hope this gets addressed later on and that's why they didn't have them communicate at the end.

About Stefan/Elena... part of me felt it was sweet (because Stefan needed someone telling him that I think and I loved the fact he didn't say anything and Elena understood) but another part and I think the biggest part of me felt like you did. I rolled my eyes and felt like this was a message to the audience : 'see Stefan and Elena are still this epic love and they're going to make it through in the end because they're so epic'. Like you I don't like feeling their story being forced down my throat.

'pot smoking galore' yeah I was kinda shocked by that one too!

And I don't like Klaus, just not at all. ugh. Bring Elijah and Kat back, please!!
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on September 18th, 2011 05:09 pm (UTC)
God, I love your reviews!

Aww, thank you! :D

This premiere left me a little underwhelmed to be honest. It probably comes from the fact the ending disappointed me, there was no shocker moment (and I wasn't really spoiled), that Stefan/Elena scene and that underwhelming cliffhanger. It wasn't a good way to end the episode, I kept waiting for something more but alas... there was just Caroline being attacked by Carol Lockwood, as you said a little bit surprising but not shocking.

Yup. Pretty much. Although, I really like some theories that have come out about the phone call. Doing the rewatch now, and will have more in my rewatch post. :)

I feel like I'm being so harsh on TVD. I really enjoyed the episode but I wanted to be blown away as I usually am and it didn't feel that way.

Well, like I said, for most shows a great episode is great. For TVD, great is subpar. I think (like what happened with a lot of last season), even the great episodes will play out better when watched in succession.

I really liked their relationship last season but I didn't feel any hot chemistry here. probably because there was no build up. That sex scene came out of nowhere, last time we saw them they were just friends and all of a sudden Caroline is jealous and they're having sex. Whaaat?

Oh, I didn't have that problem, it made sense to me. We had the sexual tension already starting with them last year (their last scene had them cuddling under a blanket, and Tyler was naked!). Everything in this episode until that moment was really showcasing how the tension between them had reached a boiling point. My problem was that they just don't have great chemistry. It was just two pretty people scantily clad and getting it on. There was nothing special about it.

i didn't think of comparing the hot scene from last year but it's even worse now I'm comparing the two. :o

YEAH!

-About Damon/Elena :

I wasn't expecting much so I wasn't really disappointed about the lack of scenes. Like you I appreciated the subtle things, the drinking from his glass stuck with me too, the glances and the hot!damn chemistry. I felt like it was burning my screen, the invading of personal spaces, Damon coming too close with barely a towel on, the necklace scene. Chemistry! It's such a shame the writers don't exploit this more. Can't they see the potential there??

Number one, doing my rewatch and already, I'm MUCH more optimistic on this episode alone about Damon/Elena. As for future episodes, I fully expect exploitation to start building with each episode (but I've expected that for a while now). They know what the have, they are just building it up.

About Elena : she's my girl and I think she was the one who was the most in-character all episode. I think you're right about how she tried to justify the kiss to Caroline/Tyler it sounded like she was trying to convince herself.

Oh, I thought all the characters were in character (one of the things I love about this show). And Elena was spot-on. And, yes, TOTALLY convincing herself, LOL!

-That infamous Stefan/Elena scene

I'm still bugged at the Damon/Stefan set-up, no follow-through :( ... but I'm much more optimistic about that phone call thanks to some great comments in this thread.

And I don't like Klaus, just not at all. ugh. Bring Elijah and Kat back, please!!

I desperately want both back, but I do like Klaus, and I'm liking him better in the rewatch. :)
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Brothersbutterfly on September 17th, 2011 12:32 am (UTC)
It's like Andie died for nothing now because calling her is just going to make Elena push Damon harder to find him.

I know, right? Why does Stefan turn his brain off when it comes to anything Elena-related? Is this supposed to be romantic? I don't find it romantic.
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faith5by5_1013: Doctor Who: Doctor/Rose: Foreverfaith5by5_1013 on September 17th, 2011 01:55 am (UTC)
I just started watching this show after recommending it to a friend who was complaining about all her favorite shows ending and who loves anything with vampires, werewolves, and/or witches.

They are the epitome of tell/don't show, stupid, epic teenage love and they make me groan and roll my eyes.

And you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to my only real major complaint about the show. I don't find them being in love to be believable because it's all tell and no show... Of course, I tend to be more of a fan of shows/books/movies/etc where the couple doesn't ever say "I love you" but you can tell from all their actions. Hell, personally, in real relationships, I find myself very much more of the show, not tell type. I don't need to tell someone I love them repeatedly. I may tell them occasionally, but they'll really know by the way I treat them.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on September 17th, 2011 11:48 pm (UTC)
Right, right, right. I really do believe that this season will see the bulk of the end of them. I really do. I'm not saying they'll be over for good, but I do think we will really begin to see the shift from Stefan/Elena to Damon/Elena, and part of that will be the reality that Stefan/Elena are just a fairytale with no basis in reality.
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Heather-Annlinsell_farm on September 17th, 2011 02:55 am (UTC)
Am I keeping score? Damn straight. and
Come season 3, you need to start sharing the wealth.

I am so very much with you on this, Jenn although I am trying to not base my opinion of the show based mostly on the status of my DE ship. I understand that they are no where near a place that they can believably get together, but they need decent representation.

Damon knows his brother a lot, lot better. And it was killing him, this knowledge.

So very true. What a horrible position poor Damon finds himself in, yet again. You know he feels badly about the place Stefan is in now, and also that it's causing Elena so much pain. The look on Damon's face after he tells Elena had such despair in it, because he couldn't do anything to help Elena.

And, yeah, Damon/Katherine? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY HOTTER!

SO. MUCH. THIS.

He tore apart Stefan's room a bit, but even pulled back and didn't go all ballistic on its inanimate ass.

Slowly but surely, he is making progress. Yay, Damon :D

Wow! Caroline's boobs looked fantastic in that dress.

They sure as hell did :D

That red top was gorgeous, and Nina looked FABULOUS in it

Agreed!!! It was so nice to see her in something other than jeans and a shade of blue shirt :D
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on September 17th, 2011 08:26 pm (UTC)
Agreed!!! It was so nice to see her in something other than jeans and a shade of blue shirt :D

OMG!!! I totally agree.... I was going crazy in in the last season watching Elena wear similar versions of the same T-shirt over and over and over. Her wardrobe change was delectable, also Loved her cute pajama bottoms and her ponytails.
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Mistvalkyrie_75 on September 17th, 2011 03:44 am (UTC)
Haven't read the recap yet ---- but soooooooo glad we're back! YAY!!
Arabian: Eric & Sookie 01arabian on September 17th, 2011 12:10 pm (UTC)
YUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
logicisfailinglogicisfailing on September 17th, 2011 05:12 am (UTC)
Not about the TVD but about tv...so sort of related? Haha. I don't know if you saw, but you can watch the pilot of New Girl on Hulu even though it hasn't aired on Fox yet. I'm kind of afraid I'll like the pilot but then be disappointed with the cast change in episode 2.
Arabian: TVarabian on September 17th, 2011 12:10 pm (UTC)
I watched it; didn't like it as much as I hoped, but I think that was partly because most of the jokes had already been shown. I'll be curious to see what happens with new stuff (including the new actor).
silesqsilesq on September 17th, 2011 08:56 am (UTC)

This is my first post here.

I have to say that I really love this site and I realise that we have similar tastes regarding shows.

But I disagree with you about TVD.

I was (well I am) a Delena fan and this couple was one of the main reasons why I started to watch the show, but by the middle of season two I stopped watching it and I have no intention to come back. I realised that they are using Damon and Elena to promote the show and to let us know that strong love that Stefan and Elena have. I have watched (well I think all of us) enough tv shows to know how it is gonna end. No surprises.
Arabian: Ian & Nina09arabian on September 17th, 2011 11:57 am (UTC)
Oh, I don't see it that way at all. I actually think the show has differentiated itself from other tv shows enough to believe that they will go the route best for the show. I genuinely do believe that Damon/Elena has a MUCH better chance at being endgame than Stefan/Elena. Big-time.
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sillyforwordssillyforwords on September 17th, 2011 11:43 am (UTC)
I loved your review and SO.MUCH.WORD. to everything, especially the way the Damon/Elena shippers are being treated by the show runners

it didn't underwhelm, but it didn't overwhelm either. It just ... whelmed

My feelings exactly. Probably nothing can top the Return as a season opener. I am not really a big fan of horror movies. Not a fan at all, actually. Which is probably why all the ripper Stefan/Klaus bits fell flat for me. They were obviously trying hard to highlight the chase aspect and the gore, but yeah..not for me. Andie dying was sad, but overall, the emotional impact of the Return was much, much greater. Maybe they could've ended with The Sun Also Rises and made As I Lay Dying the season opener. How awesome would that have been?!!

what I thought was going to a be a deliciously angsty Damon/Stefan emo-brothers-across-the-distance moment.

That would've been awesome, but I never even expected it to be a D/S moment. This show has dropped the ball on building up a brotherly relationship. The potential has always been there but the writers don't seem to be very interested in doing much about it. They're never going to be the Winchester brothers. The writers pay far more attention to the romantic relationships and bromances than D/S, which makes me sad.

Nothing that happened with Elena, her feelings for Stefan or Stefan/Elena's phone call was out of character, it all made perfect sense.

This is the most frustrating aspect for me. Yes, it's not out of character. But then, even if Elena continues being completely in love with Stefan through the ripper phase and after he comes out of it, and never stops supporting him, and their twu wuv lasts for ever and ever, as in end game forever, that would be completely in character too. That thought is just too depressing for me.

The more they persist with this undying devotion aspect, the more they're writing themselves into a corner. If they show no conflict in Elena's feelings for 3 whole seasons, how can we buy that anything would ever develop between her and Damon? The writers can make her character grow, and change, and want diferent things if they want to. I'm still waiting for it to happen. But now it looks like Elena is going to be very single minded in her quest for Stefan and she's just going to be STEFAN, stefan stefan all season long. Maybe at some point she gets dispirited and turns to Damon. That would be my worst nightmare. I would never want anything to happen between them merely because he's notStefan.

I don't know...this season opener left me with a lot of misgivings...




Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on September 17th, 2011 12:09 pm (UTC)
Yes, I do agree that the writers need to show the D/E fanbase more love, but I am a lot more hopeful than you. (I actually think they are going to, starting the next episode actually.) I genuinely believe that Damon/Elena have a MUCH better chance at being endgame than Stefan/Elena. Big-time. To me, that is very clear in the writing.

To me, it's been surface Stefan/Elena all the way from Elena, but there's so much there that's obvious that show there are problems. This episode even highlighted those things. She doesn't know him, doesn't know that he is capable of this stuff, she doesn't believe it. Also, she does have feelings for Damon, she's just buried them so deeply. They are the perfect, twu wuv teenage love story ... that won't last. A significant thing (and I think it's symbolic of this season) is that Elena is now officially older than Stefan. She's growing up; Stefan can't.

As for Damon/Stefan, I have to really disagree with you there. I was bummed by the phone call going to Elena, but everything else in this episode, as well as the last two (with non-stop sprinkled stuff left and right) is about Damon and Stefan. To me, Damon/Stefan is BY FAR the strongest relationship on the show with the twists and turns and motivations, love and hate and everything in between, explored constantly and completely on a very regular basis.

The writers pay far more attention to the romantic relationships and bromances than D/S, which makes me sad.

I honestly don't see how you see this. Stefan gave up EVERYTHING for Damon. He gave up Elena, his life in Mystic Falls, HIS HUMANITY to save Damon's life. And Damon has spent all summer doing all he can to track Stefan down and save him. His ripping apart of the room wasn't about Andie dying, it was about Stefan being so out of his reach. Their relationship is the heart of this show. No other relationship comes even close in terms of the amount of care and attention and story they give to it.

I don't know...this season opener left me with a lot of misgivings...

I really believe that this was set-up for this season. And modbelle had a very good point that with that phone call:

"... what I got from the phone call was Elena and their failed relationship is going to be the reason Stefan turns full blown Ripper (ie Katherine tattles about the previous kiss, Stefan sees something and thinks Elena has moved on/been unfaithful). Bottom line is I now feel like their is a ticking clock on their relationship because it's not if S/E is going to break up but when; afterall, it was stressed Elena's love will be Stefan's tie to humanity and the show obviously wants all ties broken."

The way this show works, I can completely, completely see that.

Maybe they could've ended with The Sun Also Rises and made As I Lay Dying the season opener. How awesome would that have been?!!

That wouldn't have worked for me and likely might have made D/E fans even more upset. AILD was about two of the three main relationships on the show (Damon/Stefan and Damon/Elena) which set up this season. Had it ended on TSAR, Elena would have still hated Damon, and it would have been a false cliffhanger because we all knew Damon wasn't going to die.

I know I spewed issues about the triangle/promotion, Stefan/Elena, but I'm still quite, quite positive about this season. There was definitely some positive Damon/Elena in the episode (as I pointed out above). And there is the promising thing that every non-friendshippy Damon/Elena moment was actually courtesy of ... Elena, and not Damon. Girl's just in denial at this point, LOL! You know, I'm actually thinking that I might wind up more positive D/E after my rewatch this weekend. We'll see. :)

Edited at 2011-09-17 12:22 pm (UTC)
distant_autumn: Katherine - Watching by ebsolutelydistant_autumn on September 18th, 2011 10:30 pm (UTC)
(that strength, that, let's get real, hasn't done much of anything to save either one of them beyond waking Elena up from her post-parental-death fugue state way back in early season 1).

Yep.

They are the epitome of tell/don't show, stupid, epic teenage love and they make me groan and roll my eyes.

This is, indeed, sadly how I feel about S/E. Individually they are two fascinating, awesome characters, and yet their relationship has such a tendency to make both of them vastly less interesting. I really cannot be expected to root for a relationship that has such a dulling effect on two characters I otherwise adore.

Come season 3, you need to start sharing the wealth. This episode didn't look very promising in that direction.

Honestly, I disagree with you about that. I think there was a lot of set up for where they are heading with D/E this season, and the S/E moment, while a Big Moment, is not going to stick; her love is just NOT going to be enough to keep him holding on, at all. I think that moment is as likely to get inverted as the D/E bedroom scene in 'The Return' did in 2.22, only where the D/E moment went from being a bad moment to a good one, the S/E one is going to do the reverse. I also thought it was interesting that it was so focused on the making each other live aspect, rather than romantic love. I mean, in a very weird sort of way, I felt like him picking up the phone to her was like somebody calling their sponsor. (I also wondered if they did such a big S/E moment to give something to that fanbase precisely because they're about to spend the season basically kicking the crap out of that ship.)

Whereas the D/E stuff, while lacking one big splashy moment, laid all sorts of groundwork, e.g. her feelings for and attraction to him already bubbling away just under the surface, them already drawing closer, that he wants her to be happy and will put that before what he wants, etc.

Cut to Stefan, walking out in the dark, clearly torn up to shreds about what he did to his brother, especially after Klaus' little speech. And my heart was all breaking for my beautiful Salvatore brothers. And then Stefan pulled the phone out and I went 'oh, hell, no.'

Yeah, I can't disagree. But I do think there was a brotherly aspect to it? In the sense that Stefan will do anything to keep Damon safe, anything at all, even push himself that much closer to losing it completely. Then he picks up the phone and uses Elena to pull himself back a bit, but the reason he needs to do it right then is because of the extent of his love for Damon and how very much he has done and will do to protect him. (And in a weird way, there is more love on display there for Damon in not getting back in touch with him, than there is for Elena in putting her at risk by making that call.)

- Damon searching so hard for Stefan, going out on leads, tracking him all over, and getting close enough that Klaus wants him shut down. Oh, Damon! And Stefan's all, you know I'll come back because he's got to keep Damon safe.

I knoooow. Damon, looking at torn apart corpses and still believing he is saveable if only he can find him. And Stefan! Damon is Stefan's "I will always choose you." His own ripper issues aside, he will do anything at all to keep his brother safe, even if he damns himself in the process. Oh, Salvatores.

Also, I really appreciated getting confirmation that Damon knew exactly how Stefan got when he goes ripper.

I had to be almost sadly amused at Elena's assertion that it wasn't Stefan, as if she knows better than Damon. Because she doesn't, she really doesn't.

IKR? Oh, Elena. He knows. He's always known. It's her who doesn't, not even now.

[Damon/Alaric] I just love how they are so in synch with each other, sharing, caring, joking, serious. AWESOME BROMANCE FTW!!

Yes! The genuineness of their friendship really, really came across. LOVED it. (Also, LOL yes re: Alaric's look at Damon's matter of fact ripper description.)

distant_autumn: Damon by ebsolutelydistant_autumn on September 18th, 2011 10:41 pm (UTC)
Part 2
I'm wondering if the show is dropping the idea from the original side that all out-of-control vampires are called rippers, and making it just a Stefan-nickname. Sure sounds like it from the way Damon described Stefan's M.O.

Or it could just be that Damon has only heard of Stefan being like that, but that we will eventually get introduced to others?

That Stefan compelled the bar of patrons to be totally chill to the torture of Ray Sutton. I mean, dayum! So chilling.

IKR? It sounded all reasonable and efficient. Just compelled the entire bar, no big! *shiver* Also, it made me think of that roomful of compelled women Stefan had in that 1864 flashback. Also also, I know Klaus isn't working for you, but I cracked up at his "It's okay, he'll thank me for this later!"

And, FINALLY!, Matty is over Elena. When he came over and gave that over-enthusiastic kiss to her cheek, it was so not about Elena at all, but was all for Caroline's benefit!

That's a great point! I was so busy being peeved on Caroline's behalf that I didn't even think of that, but you're right; it was totally about Caroline, not him still having lingering feelings for Elena, which is a very good thing all ways round.

but you can't have a make-out scene between two characters, throwing each other around with supernatural strength in the freaking premiere and NOT have a recall back to the make-out scene between two characters, throwing each other around with supernatural strength from the last premiere. And, yeah, Damon/Katherine? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY HOTTER!

Bearing in mind that I honestly really loved the C/T stuff, I am STILL in total agreement with you about this. TOTAL. No competition.

I did find it interesting that Tyler and Caroline had sex without any great declarations, any love, any BIG moment-ness of it. I do think that Matt/Caroline need not worry that their half of the triangle is done for (and Caroline/Stefan fans continue to have hope!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think it is very early days and that they will get to the declarations part once they stop dancing around each other, and since I do like them, I'm looking forward to that stuff. But yeah, that triangle is SO not over with. (And hee, yes! We do! Caroline just needs to spend a couple of seasons working out her Tyler and Matt issues, while Stefan spends a couple more seasons working out his Elena and Katherine issues. And along the way, the C/S friendship will continue to build nicely until their inevitable realisation that they are, in fact, MFEO.)

Agree on the genius of using Vicki to pull Matt back in the supernatural world. I liked his scenes with Jeremy a lot.

I don't like that they brought her back just to callously kill her off.

Yeah, this basically. I did think the scene between them in his bathroom was very interesting and well done, I think Dawn O was fantastic, but... yeah.

He was near the edge in this episode, pushed by Stefan, pushed by what happened to Andie -- because Stefan wanted to send him a message, pushed by Elena and yet he didn't break, he didn't explode, he didn't go off that edge. He tore apart Stefan's room a bit, but even pulled back and didn't go all ballistic on its inanimate ass. So, go, Damon. Definite progress, my dear.

Very well said and I totally agree. He's a work in progress, sure, but he is progressing.

he was funny, naked, snarky, hot, jerky, gorgeous in blue, a total asshole, wet, caring, committed, soapy, loyal to his brother, and he's being so awesome with Elena.

♥! Every little thing he does is magic. For serious.

Totally agree with you re: Elena's reaction being in character and on loving Caroline calling her out on what she is doing.

She's 18, and Caroline's right, whatever crap is going on, she needs to experience life.

This.

Personally, I associate that necklace much more with Damon/Elena now (1.14, 2.08, and now this),

Me too. TBH, I even associate the origins of it with D/E because that's why Stefan even gave it to her, because of Damon.


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roselani24roselani24 on February 13th, 2012 08:34 am (UTC)
Okey-doke, so I was re-watching this episode tonight and figured I'd stop by to comment. :)

Personally, I really enjoyed this episode when I first saw it and enjoyed the character dynamics. Hee, and I loved Damon's longer hair!! Squee!!!

So a thinky thought or two.

Re: Andie and her death

Read your follow up post about appreciating her more on a second viewing and I have to agree there. Andie was always an interesting character for me and her relationship with Damon was always a bit mysterious. From "The Dinner Party", I got the impression Andie knew she was under compulsion and knew Damon was messing with her emotions re: fear and so on. This episode kind a confirmed that while compelled she still retained free thinking as it were. And Damon, as far as it was shown, never told Andie to "shut up" like he did Caroline, he just demanded she leave him alone or pleaded for her to distract him. I also found it telling that Damon took her murder hard. He clearly cared about her and even if the relationship wasn't wholly consensual via him compelling her to not be afraid. And Andie was definitely afraid when she was standing on the scaffolding at the edge, which is interesting because from what we've seen a vampire cannot undo another vampire's compulsion. I'm trying to think if there were any incidents where one vampire compelled someone and then another vampire compelled the person to do something else. Nothing comes to mind.

Now considering Damon compelled Andie to be basically without fear and she was afraid after crossing Stefan, it makes me wonder if the compulsion was, I dunno, wearing thin as it were. In 3.14 there was something implied between Damon and Kol having crossed paths and clearly Damon had to have been compelled to forget re Stefan and Klaus, yet the feeling of familiarity lingered. Jeremy also made it clear that despite a memory being gone, the feelings remained. It just makes me wonder about the strength of compulsion and the possibility it might wear off on its own depending on how hard the vampire made the compulsion. Another example would be Caroline having two sets of memories about what Damon was doing, feeding from her and using her for information, and being confused during the time when Damon was locked in the dungeon of the Salvatore Boarding house (seriously, that room needs a name. Maybe Vampire holding cell or something) and drying out. Anyway, it just makes me wonder how much was Damon actually compelling her after the initial compulsion to feel to fear, not tell anyone his secrets, and considering Damon might be the one. Andie was still very blunt and honest with Damon while under his compulsion and they seemed to have a semi real relationship in this episode, enough that Andie called pleadingly for Damon's help. False trust perhaps, but a trust that was actually somewhat grounded because if Stefan had not forced Damon back, he would have caught her. Okay, am I making any sense? No, i think I'm just rambling now.

(continued in part 2)
roselani24: #20 Damon and Jeremy by arabianroselani24 on February 13th, 2012 08:34 am (UTC)
Part 2

Moving on!

Jeremy and Damon (because I love them and no scenes together or not, I still look at the two, lol): Haha, I loved Damon as the most inappropriate role model (sorry, Alaric, Damon so beats you). He had no problem with the underage drinking, just not drinking his good stuff. He had no problem with Jeremy smoking pot, just wanted to know if it was a good stash. HEE!

This, especially the bold part really caught me for some reason. Wasn't it Damon who compelled Jeremy to more or less kick the habit back in Season 1 and start living again? Rather interesting he just wants to know if it was a good stash. Now they don't have any scenes, but I found it interesting nonetheless, especially since Ric was right there and Elena made the point of saying Jeremy looks up to Ric and should say something. But...when has Jeremy ever opened up to Ric? Honestly, I can't remember him ever seeking Alaric out for advice about anything. Ric verbalized the offer that Jeremy could talk to him and Jeremy did talk a little, but not much. He's talked more with Damon of all the adult men on the show (Matt and Tyler don't count cause their teens just like him). So Jeremy might not have told him, but Damon was certainly aware. Or that could be all in my head. *shrugs* It happens.

Damon and Ric were also awesome in this episode. I adored their dynamic here and how Ric was following Damon's lead. Poor guy looked about ready to throw up when they found those two bodies and I can hardly blame him. Damon's explanation for how he knew it was Stefan's work was also pretty gruesome and sad. And very telling in that he knows his brother very well. It made me think back to Damon's Season 1 MO and how Stefan suspected it was Damon but didn't know for certain until Damon made his appearance. Stefan, it seems, doesn't know his brother as well as Damon knows him. Which is understandable. Its part of the older and younger sibling dynamic. Older siblings tend to be somewhat mysterious in that there is always something the younger won't know by virtue of just being the younger child. Okay, the wording of that isn't right but I'm too tired and lazy to fix it.

In conclusion, I love your D/E thoughts and agree about their scenes together (my favorite being the giving of the necklace and then escorting down to the party), particularly those in your take two post. Also so agree about the disappointment of Stefan's phone call to Elena. I wanted him to call Damon too! *pouts* Ah well. I agree with other posters that Stefan made that call in a desperate attempt to hang onto his humanity without any real thoughts about the consequences.

P.S. I'll get back to 3.14 comments tomorrow. My brain's turning off right now, lol.
Cheers!
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 08:15 pm (UTC)
I don't always agree with you but rarely do I disagree with you as strongly as I do on Joseph Morgan. Joseph Morgan is an acting god he blows everyone, everyone away no one else on the cast even comes close to him the closest are Nina Dobrev and Daniel Gillies and they're still quite a distance in his rear view mirror.

Also personally I think the season 3 opener is pretty much the best opener in the series, actually in general season 3 is far and away the best season in the series.
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on May 14th, 2017 05:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah, we disagree. I just pointed out in another comment that while I like Morgan I think he tends to chew scenery now and again. He goes too broad at times, and lacks nuance now and then. I do think he can be brilliant and I quite like him, but he's not the best in my opinion by a long shot.

Season 03 is so not my favorite. Season 04 and season 05 are my favorites bar none. (Season 02 is my least favorite easily, even if the season 02 premiere is my favorite premiere.)