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05 August 2011 @ 07:55 pm
So, spec thoughts on 'The Vampire Diaries,' season three  
Well, one aspect.

Actually, I'm not really excited about Damon/Elena much at all for this season, at least the first half. Why? Because I don't think we're gonna get much. Sure, we'll get moments here and there, but nothing to really make me as a Damon/Elena fan sit up and go OOH! YES! OHMYGOD! And while this doesn't bother me as a fan of the show -- I still think it's totally like the best thing EVAR! -- it does slightly bother me as a fan of the pairing, for a few reasons.

1. In my season two rewatch post, I wrote this: "Damon/Elena fans were really, really, REALLY gypped this season. BIG FUCKING TIME. Knowing that fact as you watch it week by week, with hiatuses and upcoming stuff that sorta highlights some of the Damon/Elena moments isn't the same as watching all twenty-two episodes over a three-day period and really having it driven home."

Because we really, really, REALLY were. (And I say this as someone who can easily put aside the couple-girl in me because I actually think that Elena did forgive him for the Jeremy thing way too easily, or rather it wasn't dealt with well enough. I still think a Jeremy/Elena conversation explaining why he was cool with Damon would have helped enormously, but bygones, I suppose.) So, going into season three -- after the finale -- I did expect that we'd finally begin to really get some Damon/Elena-ness. Alas, I don't think we will now. (Explanation to follow in a bit.)

2. I think there are three factions of fans with regards to Damon/Elena:

a) Those who sorta like them, sorta don't like them, don't care about them and thus don't really think too much about them.
b) Those who are fangirls.
c) Those who hate the very idea of them.

I believe that (b) is by far the biggest faction of the three, with (c) coming in second. The problem is that both factions are quite unhappy with the show to a large enough degree from what I've read regarding Damon/Elena. The first do not like the little bit of Damon/Elena we've gotten, and/or the direction of their storyline -- especially in season two. The latter think that Damon/Elena are being shoved down our throats (how I don't even know, but that's the gist I've gotten from the anti-s). Bottom-line, neither is happy, and these two factions make up a lot of the fanbase. Since the show spent the last season making it really rough for the first (and definitely bigger) faction, I don't think it's crazy to suggest that they try and work on make them happier this year. The other faction is clearly going to pissed no matter what direction they take with Damon/Elena as long as Elena doesn't hate Damon forever -- not gonna happen -- or Damon doesn't give two craps about Elena -- not gonna happen -- (depending on who you're a bigger fan of).

So, yeah, not happy about my belief that (at least the first half) of season three will continue to not be very heavy in the Damon/Elena-ness department. Now the why.

- While Kevin and Julie have been doing the spiel about the Damon/Elena attraction, the exploration of their relationship, the growing bond while they search for Stefan, that is coming across as more hype to get people watching to me. I'm not saying all of the above won't happen, I just don't think that it will be significant enough to please the couple-girls who were beyond frustrated with last season. Because paired with these comments have been the "of course, she still loves Stefan," disclaimer.

And more tellingly, both Nina Dobrev and Ian Somerhalder -- who clearly did not get the line they were supposed to sell -- made it clear at Comic-Con (the first post-premiere shooting opportunity to talk up the season) that nothing much was happening with Damon and Elena at all. (I'm really curious to see if their responses will change post Comic-Con.) Nina flat-out said Elena is not skewing towards Damon. Ian flat-out said that Damon is not going there with Elena because of the Stefan situation. Their entire vibe has been 'nothing's happening, moving right along.' Again, I do think we'll get moments, tension, etc., and obviously this was based on shooting the first episode and having the second script only, but still, I think that it's significant that nothing significant enough has happened in two scripts already to get such a non-Damon/Elena-ness vibe from both actors.

- It's pretty durn obvious from tweets, comments, etc. that Damon is sexing up Andie as a distraction again, and it's not just implied, but very likely that we actually witness some action. In fact, in the infamous 30-second Damon/Elena clip where she spies him in all of his naked glory, soapy and smirking, I'm pretty sure that we're going to either have just seen Damon and Andie getting down and "dirty" in the bathtub before Elena shows up, or Andie will walk in behind Damon a few seconds later.

- Finally, Julie Plec talked of Damon giving Elena an unexpected, but incredibly thoughtful gift for her 18th birthday. As soon as I read that quote, I immediately thought that he would create a dreamscape for her of her and Stefan happy together to give her some peace of mind, some hope to carry on, etc. (as he did for Rose in "The Descent" -- although, obviously, he won't be staking Elena, haha). The recent behind-the-scenes picture in the latest Entertainment Weekly did nothing to dispel me of that notion. If this is the case, on one hand, I do think it shows just how much Damon does love Elena and that he truly is putting her happiness above his own.

On the other hand, it's frustrating because it's the show basically using Damon in a tender Damon/Elena moment to give the Stefan/Elena fans a lovely dose of couple-love for them. Which would be fine and dandy, did the Stefan/Elena fanbase not have such a dose in every. single. episode that has aired thus far. While, again, the Damon/Elena fanbase were majorly gypped last season, and finally - FINALLY! -- when we got a light at the end of the tunnel in the form of their last scenes of season two, we're possibly going to open the season with not nearly enough for the Damon/Elena fanbase, and continued ahhh! Stefan and Elena's love is epic and pure!

I could be wrong. I know this absolutely. And, again, as a fan of the show, I'm fine with all of the above because it can certainly fit storywise. However, as much as I love this show as a whole, I am still able to access my couple-girl self and she knows that those viewers who stopped watching because they primarily watch for Damon/Elena, or are giving next season one more chance (I've read more than one say this season is "make it or break it for me") are not going to be even remotely reassured if I'm right. I hope I'm not, because I don't want the show to lose any more viewers. They lost an alarming 600,000 viewers over the course of last season. Obviously, Damon/Elena fans being pissed off is not the only reason, but there is no way anyone is not going to convince me that such was not a factor -- and likely a fairly significant one -- in that loss.

Anyhoo, again, I hope I'm wrong. But I figure if I have no expectations of significant Damon/Elena-ness and it doesn't happen, the couple-girl in me won't be disappointed. And if something does happen, well ... WOOHOO! And a Damon/Elena WOOHOO! to add to my overall WOOHOO! MY SHOW IS BACK!! SQUEE!! vibe would be awesome-sauce.

ETA: I appreciate all of your comments, but SO do not have time to respond (until after August 14). I will explain in more detail then what's up, but I wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten and am not ignoring any of you. And to make one thing clear. Yes, I don't think we'll get much Damon/Elena in the first half of season three, yes, I do think JP/KW need to get on the ball in actually making the Damon/Elena fanbase happy for a while. HOWEVER, I still firmly, 100% believe that Damon/Elena are endgame and that we will get our time. I just don't think it's going to hit heavily in the first half of season three. :)
 
 
 
Sar: delenapaceisthetrick on August 6th, 2011 06:00 am (UTC)
oh gosh, who was tweeting about andie?! somehow i missed that bit of news.

i really liked your conclusion to these thoughts by the way, i feel the same way. i'm hoping the show will be on for at least 5 seasons and we'll eventually get to the D/E portion of the triangle.
Sar: teddy ships DEpaceisthetrick on August 6th, 2011 06:01 am (UTC)
also, did you read the text from the EW scan? i thought it was interesting about Nina saying she doesn't have many scenes with Paul in general.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on August 6th, 2011 11:31 am (UTC)
Well, I'm not surprised about that at all. I do think that's why Damon will do the Stefan/Elena thingie -- as a way to give S/E fans something (which, again, is ridiculous since they get something CONSTANTLY!) -- but other than that, yeah, we won't see S/E much together. Still, I expect non-stop mourning, declarations of their epic love, etc.

(BTW: I get EW myself, and I pretty much read everything on TVD so if it's out there, I've seen it, LOL!)
Arabian: Damon06arabian on August 6th, 2011 11:29 am (UTC)
The actress, Dawn Olivieri, tweeted she was on set, tweeted a pic of "Andie" with the scarf around her neck, Ian tweeted about silly US not allowing naked breast, thigh, and butt, but would allow pulling hearts out, Dawn tweeted seeing a LOT of Ian, and I think there was some joking tweets to her boyfriend (a really good friend of Ian's) of them making out. (Not positive about the last one.) But yeah, REALLY obvious that stuff is going on with Damon and Andie.

i'm hoping the show will be on for at least 5 seasons and we'll eventually get to the D/E portion of the triangle.

I actually do think that we will start to get some really strong Damon/Elena this season, I just think it will be the second half, not the first.
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on August 6th, 2011 09:17 am (UTC)
See, that's the reason that every time this thought of "Damon and Elena closeness" comes into me head, I start chanting, "Bad thoughts go away".
Because expectation makes my heart grow bigger and fonder every single time, and when I see that my expectations don't play out, the way I have imagined them, I fall into this state of depression on anger or both. That's the reason, I skipped watching Ep 2 and 3 from season 2 after the Jeremy Neck Snapping Incident, but the fangirl inside me, who loves this show nonetheless, forced me to watch. And I'm super glad I did!

That's why this season, I'm highly concentrating or amplifying or maybe forcing myself to get excited over watching TVD because of the twisted story lines of The Originals, Ripper Stefan, Haunting of Jeremy. And any thoughts of Damon-Elena ness is something, I am completely over looking. If it happens, that will be one of the the most happiest incident of my life. If not........ :( :'(
well, let's keep our fingers crossed, and hope for the best!


The latter think that Damon/Elena are being shoved down our throats (how I don't even know, but that's the gist I've gotten from the anti-s).

REALLY???!! Why would anybody think that. Not favoring a couple is okay, but straight out lying because of hate which equals Loathing, is so uncool!!
I mean, if anything, season 2 was full of shoving Stefan-Elena down out throats!
Stefan comes back from the tomb because Elijah made a deal with Elena, and without even asking her what is it, or how is she after her suicide mission, they decide to make love?! As is Stefan's back from the war and is greeted by a loving wife he left back at home. Also, not to mention the countless times they go to have "quality-times" which were full of Stefan-Elena stuffed muffins down out throats. And each of those times ended up in a disaster of some sort. And they still say Damon-Elena is being shoved down throats?? Ridiculous!!

Nina flat-out said Elena is not skewing towards Damon. Ian flat-out said that Damon is not going there with Elena because of the Stefan situation

I saw and read their comments from Comic-Con and it makes a little sense, I mean the initiator Stefan's Ripper journey is because of Damon, but that little fact along with the larger fact that she is still his little brother's girlfriend and his little brother maybe at definite danger and the moment his brother is out of picture, Damon pursuing Elena, won't be cool.
wickedrumwickedrum on August 6th, 2011 12:45 pm (UTC)
oh, god, I've never even thought of that. because finally Julie even seems to admit Delena has to happen, I assumed it would. but what if not? what if its all a game to peak interest in the show? what a disaappointment that would be!
Arabian: Ian & Nina14arabian on August 8th, 2011 02:50 pm (UTC)
Oh, I do totally expect it to happen, I just don't expect it to happen right away, or in the first batch of episodes. We will get stuff, I'm sure this season. Probably heading more towards the second half. I think the first half is going to be more build-up, that growing bond. And I still think that Damon/Elena are endgame.
eolivet on August 6th, 2011 01:41 pm (UTC)
While Kevin and Julie have been doing the spiel about the Damon/Elena attraction, the exploration of their relationship, the growing bond while they search for Stefan, that is coming across as more hype to get people watching to me.

I absolutely agree with you there. Maybe I'm just reimagining/remembering the sting of past fandoms, when it all sounded so promising, but I've come to the conclusion recently that show creators/shows don't hype couples/pairings if...something is actually going to happen. Because then the story speaks for itself. But when you have to keep reminding people about it...there's usually a reason (and it's not good). :/

(One of these days, I'd like Plec/Williamson/Ian/Nina to get a D/E question and answer with "You'll see." :p That would get my hopes up, more than vague reminders/promises about their relationship -- which we already know/suspect).

it's the show basically using Damon in a tender Damon/Elena moment to give the Stefan/Elena fans a lovely dose of couple-love for them

I don't like this either, because it seems like the show is playing both sides in that regard. Sooner or later, they're going to have to pick a side. ;)

They lost an alarming 600,000 viewers over the course of last season. Obviously, Damon/Elena fans being pissed off is not the only reason, but there is no way anyone is not going to convince me that such was not a factor

I agree. I also think the show's bad hiatus timing and choice of eps made it a lot easier for some viewers to turn to Idol in the spring. I mean...if the last thing they saw was "By the Light of the Moon?" :/ Not exactly a lot of incentives to come back if you weren't a total fan at that point, IMO.
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on August 8th, 2011 02:44 pm (UTC)
This actually made me feel a lot better. One interview I didn't reference is one where Kevin Williamson said he wants Damon/Elena to make out -- the headline! -- but in the article was very vague-ish, and 'who knows if it will happen?' which much more fits what you're saying here.

I don't like this either, because it seems like the show is playing both sides in that regard. Sooner or later, they're going to have to pick a side. ;)

I still do genuinely think it will be Damon/Elena. :)

I also think the show's bad hiatus timing and choice of eps made it a lot easier for some viewers to turn to Idol in the spring. I mean...if the last thing they saw was "By the Light of the Moon?" :/ Not exactly a lot of incentives to come back if you weren't a total fan at that point, IMO.

True. A rewatch made it so much better, but it was a really poor (although if the sickness, weather, etc. did prompt that as the mid-season finale as opposed to "The Descent) if probably unavoidable episode choice.
Florencia: DE (Destiny)florencia7 on August 6th, 2011 02:30 pm (UTC)
AH No NO Andie PLEASE. For some reason I can't make myself like her :[ I may start liking her if it turns out she's evil lol At least that would make her an interesting character. For now she just seems completely irrelevant to the plot, IMHO.

*sigh* I have to say you make lots of good points & I think you may be onto something with ALL of your predictions.

However, a part of me is still hoping something beautiful will happen this season ^^ I wouldn't worry all that much about Ian & Nina saying that not much is happening. They may as well be bluffing ;) Since Julie & Kevin are throwing D/E hints it's logical to tone down the excitement & dismiss any happy Delena predictions. After all, the show has been loaded with surprise! moments so it's only logical they want to keep it that way *fingers crossed*
Arabian: Damon & Elena11arabian on August 8th, 2011 02:46 pm (UTC)
I don't like the character much either, but if her presence is why I think she is (basically to finish telling the "compulsion" story that was hinted at, but not able to be told due to time constraints last season), and to egg on Elena's jealousy, I'm cool with it.

However, a part of me is still hoping something beautiful will happen this season

Oh, I TOTALLY expect some great stuff this season. I just don't expect it right away, or in the first batch of episodes. We will get stuff, I'm sure! :)
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on August 6th, 2011 06:52 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't be at all surprised if DE isn't that big in the first half either, they are totally hyping them on purpose because they know who has the biggest fanbase on the show. They have to watch doing that too much, though, because if fans keep feeling jipped - they won't come back anymore. :/

This is my worry, too. If they keep promising D/E and not immediately delivering, some people will just stop believing them and, if D/E was their main draw, will give up on the show.
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Nina/Ianbutterfly on August 6th, 2011 06:54 pm (UTC)
It's pretty durn obvious from tweets, comments, etc. that Damon is sexing up Andie as a distraction again, and it's not just implied, but very likely that we actually witness some action. In fact, in the infamous 30-second Damon/Elena clip where she spies him in all of his naked glory, soapy and smirking, I'm pretty sure that we're going to either have just seen Damon and Andie getting down and "dirty" in the bathtub before Elena shows up, or Andie will walk in behind Damon a few seconds later.

I think it would be much, much better if they had Elena run into naked!Damon and then showed Andie rather than starting with Damon/Andie.

I could be wrong. I know this absolutely. And, again, as a fan of the show, I'm fine with all of the above because it can certainly fit storywise. However, as much as I love this show as a whole, I am still able to access my couple-girl self and she knows that those viewers who stopped watching because they primarily watch for Damon/Elena, or are giving next season one more chance (I've read more than one say this season is "make it or break it for me") are not going to be even remotely reassured if I'm right. I hope I'm not, because I don't want the show to lose any more viewers. They lost an alarming 600,000 viewers over the course of last season. Obviously, Damon/Elena fans being pissed off is not the only reason, but there is no way anyone is not going to convince me that such was not a factor -- and likely a fairly significant one -- in that loss.

Yeah, I understand why they want to go more slowly on certain things. I do. But sometimes 'slowly' starts to feel like 'never' and people give up.
Faceifyable: dedrinkfaceifyable on August 6th, 2011 10:12 pm (UTC)
Hmm.. I remember Nina saying Katherine has Elena's vervain necklace. So, I don't think Damon can get into her mind. She's probably ingesting vervain every day. She drank some with Stefan in The Descent when she had her necklace, so I can't imagine she wouldn't be drinking it now.

I do think something like that would speak of how much Damon loves her, but she would probably feel too uncomfortable with it. Not because she believes Damon will do something bad, but because intimacy is a private thing. Anything she did with Stefan in the dream, she would know Damon was watching and I think that would be very awkward for her. Especially now that he's told her he loves her.

I was pretty sure the gift would have something to do with SE at first, but I can't think of what would make sense at this point. The necklace Stefan gave her is gone with Katherine, and if she's taking vervain in it's place he can't get into her mind. I saw someone speculate that he would give her Stefan's diary but it seems like Elena goes to the boarding house pretty often. She'd have access to his diary at any time, if she really wanted to read it.

I won't be surprised if it has something to do with Stefan, because that does make sense, but I just can't think of what it would be at this point.
distant_autumn: DE - Kiss - by electrical_sdistant_autumn on August 6th, 2011 11:19 pm (UTC)
Yay, nice to see you around and posting! :)

I don't think we're gonna get much.

Yeah, I'm expecting them to continue with the slowburn. To me, the really big moments beween them in S2 seemed to come in the premiere, around the midseason/Fall sweeps time, and in the last few episodes. You could probably say a similar thing about S1 (um, not the pilot obviously, but the mid season and final few episodes part of it). And I would expect the same sort of pattern this season. It doesn't bother me, because I'm actually way more worried about what'd happen if went there TOO quickly with D/E, but I do agree with you that they're unlikely to give us loads early on.

While Kevin and Julie have been doing the spiel about the Damon/Elena attraction, the exploration of their relationship, the growing bond while they search for Stefan, that is coming across as more hype to get people watching to me

Again, I agree. I think they just know where it's at in terms of promo, namely D/E. It was really telling to me that in the two sizzle reels, S/E was just nowhere to be seen. D/E got a lot of play but S/E, which will certainly continue to be present in S3? Only warranted a mention in passing, basically as an angsty barrier for D/E. So yeah, I agree, I think they are absolutely talking it up while still intending to take their time with making it a reality.

As much as shows obviously need to keep viewers happy, I lean towards preferring the writers to stick to their instincts in terms of the timeline for when things happen, rather than being too swayed by us. I mean, I obviously definitely think they need to be aware of when something is working well or failing utterly, but I also think that ignoring their own instincts/plans too much can (and has, with other shows) lead to some bad longterm writing issues. So, I'm pretty mixed on that one. And I do think there is a delicate balancing act to be done with D/E, because much as I resent the fallacy that people are only interested in couples before they get together (urgh, so not true), the will-they-won't-they build-up does get them a lot of buzz. Dragging things out TOO much can certainly prove a turn off, but I can understand them wanting to milk the build up, both for creative and promo reasons.

But having said all of that, what they did with D/E in S2 (in terms of pacing and everything) honestly worked for me, so possibly I'm just completely the wrong person to comment on this, ha! ;)

because it's the show basically using Damon in a tender Damon/Elena moment to give the Stefan/Elena fans a lovely dose of couple-love for them.

You know, I am surprisingly chilled out about this possibility. I just think they need to work their way through this sort of stuff for a while yet. I'm honestly expecting a whole lot of S/E stuff this season, and I think it needs to happen in order for Elena to work through her feelings, so we can get to the eventual good D/E stuff. And I guess I feel like, if you are right about what is going on in that D/E moment? Then at least we have reached a point where rather than just getting S/E moments, we are getting Damon directly encroaching on them and looking like a really good guy in the process. In fact I would honestly be more inclined to see it more as a case of S/E being used to give D/E a tender moment, rather than the other way around :)
(Anonymous) on August 7th, 2011 12:12 am (UTC)
My expectations...
Hi,

This is my 1st comment on a personal LJ...I apologize if I am doing this the wrong way.

I'm really surprised to see you write that you think D/E will only be used for promo, for the most part, when you have been so optimistic in the past about their pairing in particular, and the show overall. Not that I disagree with this assessment...I think it is dead-on.

I don't think D/E will ever be pursued on TVD, which I've stated before on Twitter, etc., but since no one wants to really discuss it, it usually dies as a topic...which I get...no one is interested in a killjoy, which I honestly don't enjoy being or having to say these negative things all the time, but its the reality I see staring me in the face...JP & KW will never deviate from the SE Epic Love Story...and D/E will only be used for cheap ratings points & hot promo posters & media buzz...I've come to accept it and have no real excitement for the remainder of the series. They are firm in their belief that the SE Epic Love is the story they want to tell, they've flat-out stated this over & over again...and if the TVD & D/E fandom want to remain deaf & blind to these facts? Well, it certainly works to their favor for everyone to keep deluding themselves...a certain % of viewers will never give up on the show, and seeing as this is the CW, they will continue to be the #1 show, make money for the network, and stay on the air til the contracts run dry. They have no fear of cancellation now or in the future, and can pretty much do as they please, and they choose to please themselves & their writing vision, which doesn't line up AT ALL with the majority fanbase or the TV media...this just makes them all the more determined to put their SE romantic dream on screen...it's like they've decided they have to work even harder to prove to the audience over & over again that we are wrong in our shipping/couple prefs & they will somehow persevere regardless of the opposition!

It's too bad. I may be one of the few who only started watching for D/E's chemistry & potential lovestory...but for me, the rest of the show's stories are not enough to keep me tuned in week to week. I remember watching an episode from TVD early S1 in reruns (it turned out to be History Repeating) and not having been watching from the beginning (only previously seeing the Pilot, tuning in for Ian only & dismissing the show as somewhat boring & predictable), I thought HR was somewhat juvenile & actually LOL at parts of it. Now, having gotten sucked into D/E & TVD's fandom much later on, I don't think that today, but this show is definitely on a teen network, targeting a teen audience, and I'm starting to think the D/E romance is just too "adult" for them to really take on in any serious way...all this bullshit talk about Elena being a cheating ho just because she kisses Damon as he's dying, etc. I honestly don't know where this stuff comes from...but being an adult, I am looking for them to really "go there" with the triangle...and they just WILL NOT DO IT. It will always be Damon in love with Elena, Elena in love with only Stefan, rinse & repeat til the end of S6, where Damon will either die in a fiery self-sacrifice for E & S, so they can ride into the eternal sunset together, or both brothers sacrifice themselves for each other, and E ends up alone.

What I end up despising the most is the obvious D/E promotion that they CONSTANTLY use to draw everyone in, but never develop on screen...that kind of false advertising just leads me to resent the show, instead of enjoying it, which is the stage I am at now...I haven't 100% been able to walk away yet, but probably seeing the Damon/Andie action in the S3 premiere may finally cure me of this problem. I will be one of the lost viewers eventually, because I don't have eternal patience to wait like so many of you.

My main interest now is in Nian, who are more compelling than D/E on screen (that will be fleeting & barely touched on). I love Ian & Nina & wish them the best...TVD has been a great platform for them to develop their skills & I'm sure some smart producer WILL take advantage of their blazing chemistry & find a way to highlight it, since JP & KW are determined to keep it from the light of day...they are truly BLIND!

T70sgirl aka Susan
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on August 7th, 2011 12:37 am (UTC)
Re: My expectations...
I so do not have time to respond to all of these (or even all of this) - -I will get back to this the week after next when I have time, but I wanted to respond to your first part, because you misread my gist here.

I'm really surprised to see you write that you think D/E will only be used for promo, for the most part, when you have been so optimistic in the past about their pairing in particular, and the show overall. Not that I disagree with this assessment...I think it is dead-on.

I don't think D/E will ever be pursued on TVD, which I've stated before on Twitter, etc., but since no one wants to really discuss it, it usually dies as a topic...which I get...no one is interested in a killjoy, which I honestly don't enjoy being or having to say these negative things all the time, but its the reality I see staring me in the face...JP & KW will never deviate from the SE Epic Love Story


I don't believe this at all. I am still VERY optimistic about D/E. My thing here is SOLELY for the first half of season three. I do think we are really going to see movement with them towards the second half and that season four and five (and however much longer) is mostly going to be them. I will be really surprised if Damon/Elena are not endgame. REALLY SURPRISED.

To me they've already MAJORLY deviated from the epic love of Stefan/Elena. A VERY, VERY telling thing for me is that I 100% believe that Stefan and Elena were supposed to have Katherine-related issues last season (ie, Stefan still has feelings of some sort for her).

The set-up was all there, but like season one, they ran out of time, and like with with the werewolf story from season one, they pushed a planned arc to the following season. If that is the case, it means that the fact that the Stefan/Katherine arc was moved to season three means that they had NO STORY PLANNED FOR STEFAN/ELENA beyond the Katherine arc causing major problems, likely the beginning of the end. Nothing story-wise happened with Stefan/Elena other than them both basically admitting that neither one of them thought their relationship would ever remotely last.

So, yes, I am still INCREDIBLY optimistic; I'm just not expecting major stuff for the first half of season three. :)

Edited at 2011-08-07 01:11 am (UTC)
vanimy: D/E finalevanimy on August 18th, 2011 05:17 pm (UTC)
Mmh... You're making a lot of sense so the first half of the season will probably go down like this; ;)

It doesn't bother me because I'm one of those (few?) who love the fact they're going slow with Damon/Elena. I like the little moments we get at the end of some episodes. (What I would do without is the Stelena melodrama but that's another story...) I actually like that Elena won't fall into Damon's arms just because Stefan is out of the picture.

What would frustrate me though would be no hint whatsoever of Elena's feelings for Damon. The feelings are too one-sided for now and all this talk from KW/JP about friendship only between Damon and Elena kind of worries me. Because I would hate for them to hint at a relationship because they know lots of fans are rooting for Delena to completely drop it and pair Damon off with someone else while Stefan and Elena drown in their boring relationship ever after.

But if they're really building up something for Delena (which I really hope so) I'm willing to wait, there's no worries.
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on August 18th, 2011 06:16 pm (UTC)
Well, obviously I was wrong about the gift (which I'm quite pleased about), but other than that, I do agree with you all around.

I didn't mean to imply that I don't like that they are taking their time, I do. My issue is yours. The non-stop twu wuv 4eva crap with Stefan and Elena, and the uber-one-sidedness of it with Damon and Elena.

if they're really building up something for Delena (which I really hope so) I'm willing to wait, there's no worries.

Exactly!
vanimy: D/Evanimy on August 18th, 2011 07:57 pm (UTC)
LOL yeah I forgot to mention the gift being the exception to your usually right predictions. ;)

The non-stop twu wuv 4eva crap with Stefan and Elena, and the uber-one-sidedness of it with Damon and Elena.

Word. It's a shame because I actually liked Stefan and Elena together in season 1. Then they became this bland boring couple in season 2, weighing each other down. And it killed Stefan's character on top of that. *shakes head* I liked the angst the whole unrequited love Damon had for Elena provided... at the beginning. Now I think it's high time for Elena to start showing some feelings for Damon (some feelings period BTW we haven't been really privy to her feelings in season 2 except for the very last episodes).
Arabian: Damon & Elena10arabian on August 18th, 2011 08:06 pm (UTC)
This, this, this all-around. Really, I could have written that last paragraph. IT CAME STRAIGHT FROM MY BRAIN!
vanimy: Scarlettvanimy on August 18th, 2011 10:25 pm (UTC)
Hehe... Well it's only fair since most of the time I find myself always agreeing with your entries on TVD. ;)