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07 May 2011 @ 06:13 pm
2.21 - 'The Sun Also Rises' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Sorry for the late post, but I had to get up early Friday morning, and was TOTALLY wiped last night. At last -- after a few more rewatches of certain scenes -- I am here with my thinky thoughts! Woohoo!!

I have some general and specific comments about this episode. For once, I'm gonna hit on the generals first. Starting with my overall thought on "The Sun Also Rises." This was an outstanding episode. Even as I was frustrated that Klaus got away after all, I wasn't frustrated with the writers, I was frustrated in a good way because it all made sense. I get why Elijah did what he did, I get why everyone did what they did, and as long as the character actions make sense and are in character, I can absolutely deal with viewer frustration ... because it's earned. Even as I experienced wee-Damon-related moments of grr at how many characters had their choices taken away, at how many characters swore they would do whatever it took to save their loved ones and yet they didn't have anger and curses rained down upon them by other characters (or viewers), I still got it. Yes, many characters have done what Damon did when he forced his blood on Elena, not respecting her choice. However, the difference lies in Damon's character, period, which is that -- per usual -- he pushed it to extremes. When Damon Salvatore says he will do anything, he actually means it. It is NOT hyperbole to him. No siree. And that is the main difference, others say they will do "anything," but really there are lines they won't cross. For Damon, such lines do not exist.

Even if there were no OMG! moments for me -- thanks for spoiling there would be deaths, show, if not the characters who died -- I still had moments of 'oh!' and a reaction to those moments. This was so well-written, so in keeping with character motivations (right or wrong), so in keeping with relationships (of the romantic, familial and friendly relation). The acting was rock-solid, and the directorial debut of Paul M. Sommers was outstanding. It was fast-paced and exciting, yet filled with lovely beats that allowed the emotional moments to breathe. So, yeah, bottom-line? Fantastic episode.

My main issue resides not with the episode itself (I really had none with it), but rather the promotion for it, and all of the episodes since 2.16 ("The House Guest") of this season. I mentioned in my pre-thinky thoughts post that when deaths are promised in every episode, instead of viewers reacting with an 'OMG!' it's going to be more along the lines of 'oh, that's who died.' They really need to stop with the 'Someone's gonna die!' lure to bring in viewers, because it's not working -- sadly, viewership is still down, although it rose a bit for this last episode -- it's actively hurting that OOH! OMG! factor the show has been known for.

Here's an example: My sister doesn't read any of the press or follow spoilers at all and she was very OMG!ing at Jenna's death (as she was over the vampire turn last week). It works when you don't advertise it, as it did when Vicki was turned and then staked, and when Caroline was turned, and Jeremy was "killed" in the premiere of this season. As sarcasticcheese said, the spoiler isn't really who dies -- especially when the characters are recurring (Luka, Jonas, Jules) or they don't really die (Jeremy, Bonnie, Jenna in "The Last Day"), but that someone is dying or "dying" as the case may be. Instead of being shocked at someone dying, viewers have spent so much time speculating on who will die that when a character goes down much of the emotion has been leeched away. So, Julie, Kevin, Nina, Ian, Candice, Kat, et al. STOP SPOILING US ABOUT DEATHS! Please.

Ahem, so we've had a few episodes with the big, bad Klaus and I have thoughts on him and his portrayal. I like Joseph Morgan; he's a very likable guy on Twitter and in interviews. He's also a very good actor; he's very good-looking and plays Klaus with this cheerful malevolence that is just delicious and perfect. Alas, there is one glaring problem. He is simply not charismatic enough, especially in relation to both Ian Somerhalder, and especially the other newbie and Original, Daniel Gillies. I don't know if he could pull off an English accent, but charisma-wise, yeah, they should have gone with Jason Dohring. That guy ranks up there, WAY UP THERE, with the most charismatic actors I've ever witnessed. He could have easily gone toe-to-toe with Somerhalder and Gillies in the charisma department. Morgan, sadly, can not. And that loaded level of charisma was very much needed in this role ... again, especially opposite the two wildly charismatic Mr. Somerhalder and Mr. Gillies. Ah well.

Speaking of Klaus, and on a lighter note, somewhat general, but more speculative ... what's going to happen with Katherine? Since Klaus didn't die, will she be stuck in that apartment until he dies, or randomly shows back up in Mystic Falls to uncompell her? And if she is, what about Alaric? Will he live with her now? Please, no. She'll kill him, you know she will. Does he get a new place? Or move in with Jeremy and Elena as their guardian? But that doesn't really make sense because in the timeline -- as, erm, established as it has been -- he's only been dating Jenna for about a month and a half? And he's gonna be their guardian? Yeah, doesn't make any sense. There is, of course, one other option. Will he move in with Damon (and Stefan) at the boarding house? (Yes, please!)

Alrighty, onto some specifics now --

- The Jenna/Elena conversation was heartbreaking in how defeated Jenna sounded. She didn't want to be their guardian, partly because she believed she would screw up, and clearly she does think she did. And, really, she did in a way. She was WAY too lenient with their comings and goings. Had she not been so lax, especially with Elena and Stefan, it is possible that they wouldn't have gone as far as they did, Damon wouldn't have gotten so involved with Elena's life, and the secret of her being a doppelganger and what exactly it meant never would have come forward. Not to say that this is all Jenna's fault. You can go back and assign blame to some degree to many characters if you follow a thread. Just that, yes, she was a bad choice for guardian, and she didn't help matters.

But she DID love those kids, and at the end, she chose not to run, she did what she could to protect Elena as best she could. And sadly, it wasn't good enough, rather characteristic of her life as their guardian. What she was in life, she was at the end. Sad. Very sad. And the same goes for John. I thought it very interesting that you have people waiting around Elena who know that if Elena comes to as a human still, that John's life is forfeit, and yet there was not even the slightest attention paid to his death. Ignored and uncared for by everyone else in life, as he was at the end. Gotta love those parallels.

But more on Jenna. I am disappointed that they never really seemed to find the right way to make her an important part of the show's fabric because Sara Canning really is excellent, but at least she went out with some strong episodes under her belt. I wish I could say I was more moved by her death, but I wasn't. I think a rewatch of the season will add more sorrowful oomph to that knowing everything that is to come, you know? And John, ah, John. Poor unloved, unwanted Uncle Daddy Sark John. I think they did an awesome job in showing that even the antithesis of our "heroes" is a good guy, and has his heart in the right place.

- Now Stefan asks if he can trust Elijah? NOW?!?!? Oh, Stefan. You just made such a joke out of your respecting Elena's wishes. And this is why I could not see the greatness in what Stefan did in that respecting. There is respecting one's wishes, and there is respecting their wishes, while still questioning their STUPIDITY! Stefan could have broached his concerns about her plan with respect. But he didn't even do that, and Elena *might* have listened to Stefan (or Jenna, or Bonnie, or Alaric) where she would have not listened to Damon. Clearly, Stefan did NOT think it was the greatest plan ever, but it was so important to respect Elena's wishes and not have her upset with him for even questioning her that he didn't, well, question her.

And, oh, whaddya know? Damon was right about Elijah. He couldn't be fully trusted, he had his own agenda, and so everything they went through, people dying, so much pain and exertion and what happened? Well, first of all, Elijah DIDN'T keep everyone safe -- Jenna was kidnapped, killed, turned and then absolutely killed, Stefan was staked, Caroline, Tyler and Matt were almost killed, Damon was were-bitten. Other than Bonnie, Jeremy and Alaric, did ANYONE on her "safe-list" make it out of this unscathed? Nope. And then at the end of the frickin' day, KLAUS -- now a werevamp! -- IS ALIVE! Elena, Elena, Elena -- I'll paraphrase Damon here when I say: Your instincts suck. I love you, but damn, they suck!

- Once again, Damon (and still being treated like dirt) was expected to do all the heavy lifting and then gets blamed when things that are beyond his control -- because everyone is too busy respecting a 17-year old's extremely stupid, suicidal wishes -- go all cock-eyed. I am speaking of John's "How could you let this happen?" about Elena being a part of the sacrifice. And, hmm, like father, like daughter, that's the same thing Elena said to Damon when Stefan was in the tomb. How? How are these things DAMON's fault? Seriously. So not fair.

But seriously cool was Damon throwing John into the wall. I love annoyed Damon dealing with John. Heh.

- I really loved Matt's decision to walk away from Caroline because of his reasoning. His real life worries suck and he has to deal with it, so he doesn't have the time (nor desire) for all of this supernatural freaky shit. It was nice getting that kind of reaction to the supernatural. I love the different perspectives we get on this show.

- I suppose I should mention Tyler and Caroline. Look, I like both characters (okay, I adore Caroline :), but together, beyond the cute writing for them, I just don't care beyond a cute and or emotional scene. Once it's over, I pretty much forget it. I had to remember to include anything on Tyler and Caroline in this post. (Alright, beyond the fact that, dude, wasn't Tyler naked under that blanket, Caroline? Okay, then.) Sorry, even if I didn't adore the Candice Accola/Paul Wesley chemistry, I'd still just not be feeling Caroline and Tyler as a pair. They just don't do it for me.

- I did like Caroline's questions/comments about her mom, because, again, it's the show *not* forgetting that there are other important relationships besides the romantic. We get big and small moments constantly about the families and friendships and I so very much love that. Such as Damon and Alaric's moment after Alaric was locked in the house. His slightly pleading call-out to Damon, and then Damon's "sorry, buddy" because he doesn't want Alaric to die. Say it with me: Awww. Best bromance! LOVE IT.

And also, Jeremy and Elena's relationship. I knew that Jeremy was going to say "I still have you" after Elena's line, I actually said it aloud before he did, but it was one of those predictable lines that needed to be said. And it was perfect. I love their relationship. It reminds me in many ways of mine with my brother. (And why I got slightly annoyed at people making innuendo-laden comments when Jeremy had his head on Elena's lap in "By the Light of the Moon." Close brothers and sisters with a teasing, trusting vibe DO physically interact like that and there is NOTHING sexual about it at all.) And then there is Stefan and Damon ... oh, heck, I'm saving them for later. Actually, I'm going to hop into random comments and touch upon Damon (alone, and with both Elena, and Stefan) thoughts for the end of this post.

Random thoughts --

- Another small moment I liked was Damon's "I'm sorry" to Jeremy about Jenna. It was a small moment, but one that spoke volumes about Damon's transformation. He cares enough about someone else -- with nothing that he gets out of it -- to offer genuine words of sympathy. And, of course, his bromance with Alaric is so strong, they don't even need words. Show, once more, DO NOT KILL ALARIC! You made him an apartment.

OH, CRAP! KATHERINE IS STUCK IN THE APARTMENT NOW. Wah! Maybe they made it for her, and not because Alaric is not dying. Oh, God, please, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT KILL MY BB, ALARIC! I don't think Damon (or I) could take it. Damon needs his only true friend. I need my Alaric. I love him so. (Especially when Matt Davis was looking so mighty fine in this episode.)

- So, yeah, who's gonna be the guardian for the 17 and 16 year old Elena and Jeremy? I mentioned Alaric above, but that doesn't really make sense. I'm wondering if after the finale issue is resolved, they will have some time pass, even if only a week or two, and Elena will turn 18, and that pretty much will clear it up. Obviously, they have money, and Elena owns two houses now, LOL!, so ....

- What on earth does Klaus have planned for Stefan? Things that make you go hmmm ....

- Damon does not like witches. We've met eight (Bonnie, Sheila, Emily, Bree, Luka, Jonas, Maddox and Greta). Damon has killed four of them. Of the remaining four, Damon didn't kill Bonnie because of a deal made, even though he wanted to kill her a few times, and has been the only one that could handle her dying to save Elena. And he did try to kill Emily when possessed by Bonnie. He really does NOT like witches.

- I don't consider what Elijah did really a betrayal. And, although, the trio will all understandably be pissed off and beyond with him, I think that underneath the rage and frustration, each of them completely understand why he did what he did. After all, their loved ones are their greatest "weakness" as well.

- Elena was practically dripping with disdain for Klaus when she forwent his hand. She was beyond hatred, and treated him like dirt and that pissed him off. I fucking loved that moment. It was a fantastic acting/directorial choice by Nina Dobrev and Paul M. Sommers. (And/or scripted by co-writers Caroline Dries -- love her!, and Mike Daniels.)

- ETA: Wow, I didn't talk about Bonnie much here, but it wasn't because I wasn't happy with her character. In fact, I think that's why I didn't. I kinda expect Bonnie to be bad-ass now. I loved her character through most of season one, and early on in this season ("Plan B" to be exact), she completely regained my love and her speech to Jeremy about dying for a purpose just nailed her utter BAMF-ness, so I expect that from her. Didn't mean she totally wasn't in this episode. Because she was. :)

- Okay, one complaint. Seriously, make-up department?! STOP WITH THE GUYLINER! It was excessively terrible on both Ian Somerhalder and Paul Wesley. As much as I adored their final scene, I'm distracted every time I've watched it (I'm at my millionth or so viewing) by the damn guyliner so heavy on both pretty, pretty boys. Grr.

- Speaking of that scene, I did find it interesting that Damon made it clear (pre-I'm dying reveal) that Stefan had to come up with a solution to the Klaus situation. Unspoken was the fact that Damon's always been the one to come up with the plans and be pro-active, Stefan wouldn't be able to slide anymore. And, yet, earlier, Damon commented that Stefan was cleaning up his messes, like always. So not true, but fascinating when one takes into account how Damon clearly perceives himself, that this is how he sees their situations. And this brings us to the heart of the show for me.

Damon. My beautiful Damon.

Most interesting to me was the fact that he's spent so much of this season fighting everyone and thing to save Elena. In the last few episodes, he did what he could to rescue Caroline, Tyler and Matt. He was willing to sacrifice himself to take Jenna's place, and has been willing to have everyone hate him if it means he can get the job done. He started his whole thing with Andie -- and is she just done and gone now? -- to keep him distracted from his feelings so that he could get the job done and keep Elena safe. Railing against fate, working with people he didn't want to, basically going on full-tilt mission mode to save Elena.

And now he's dying. And he doesn't appear to give even the slightest shit about it. He only told Stefan so that Stefan would know that it was up to him now to figure out how to keep Elena (and everyone else) safe from Klaus. And then he just walked away after telling Stefan to not tell Elena, with the implication that Damon had no intention of telling anyone else but Stefan. And he got pissed at Elena for not fighting for her life? Really?! This, Damon, is giving up. This has nothing to do with sacrificing one's self to save others. This is just about dying and not caring. Oh, Damon. What little self-worth he has. And Damon-haters can't understand how us Damon-lovers can love him, and we wonder how they can not see! He's been so emotionally wrecked and abused his whole life that he has no earthly clue how to love himself. None at all. He has faith in Elena and Stefan, Alaric and Bonnie, and all of these 'heroes,' but he has zero faith in himself, that he can be better ... that he has that capability to be more. Oh, Damon.

*sigh*

Moving onto Damon and Elena and what we got in this episode. There wasn't much actual interaction between them, other than Damon's very selfish desire that she wake up human so that she won't hate him forever. (Even knowing that his forever is very limited as of now.) However, there was some very interesting symbolism and directorial touches on display here that had me sitting up and taking notice.

First of all, the writers incapacitated Stefan so that he could not be the one to pick up Elena's "dead" body and carry her off. Instead, it was Damon who did so. And then he brought her to Stefan's side, and I was totally expecting some cheesy shot of their hands touching before Elena gasped awake. Didn't happen. In fact, Damon wasn't even bringing Elena over to Stefan to unite the two (as some have suggested, which I find the idea of wholly out of character for Damon -- he may accept that Stefan is "better" for Elena, but he ain't gonna aid their twu wuv forever nonsense, especially at this time and place). Instead, he brought her to Stefan so that he could help his brother. (Say it with me: Awww! But wait, we're not on the Stefan/Damon section yet!) And he did. So, I expected that, yeah, now Stefan would recover, get Elena, get the hell out of dodge, and Damon would witness Elijah's "betrayal."

Didn't happen.

Instead, Stefan told Damon to take Elena away so that Stefan could see it through, and we witness Damon yet again do the archetypical hero-thing and carry the "damsel in distress" to safety. And then we saw it a third time. Really hammering the point home that Damon is/could be Elena's hero. I just found that very, very interesting that as the season ends, we see Damon, and not Stefan, positioned in that symbolic role as Elena's hero. It gives me continued hope that we're going to see a major shift in the next episode leading into next season where we begin to focus on the Damon/Elena angle of the triangle. After all, why else would we have Elena -- and only Elena -- be the one to witness the full-on devastating and painful effects of a werewolf bite on a vampire if it were to not give her that knowledge of what Damon will be going through? And knowing that he will "die" -- cuz, yeah, no way Damon is going to actually die from this, it will simply have to bring her long denied, very submerged feelings for him to light.

And that focus on Damon and Elena which began with him carrying her, continued throughout the rest of the episode. While waiting for her to wake up, Jeremy was in the doorway, so that when she did, we only saw Damon with her, even in the overhead shot. The first word that she said was "Damon," and those first few seconds was focused on the two of them. In any other show, I wouldn't read any other significance in it because, well, of course, the romantic entanglement takes precedence over the familial relationship, but that's not the case with The Vampire Diaries. So, I do think it was framed as such for a reason. And that reason is, as stated above, that we're heading into more of a Damon/Elena focus. (SQUEE!)

Quick question: Since Elena "died," will she remember the compulsion from "Rose?" Hmm...

Finally, there was the significant look shared between Damon and Elena at Jenna's funeral. Again, there was no one else in the shot, just Elena, and then Damon, despite the presence of the others there. The framing with everyone else out of the shot -- Elena at her parents' grave and Damon walking away -- kept that focusing on the two of them alone. And I was surprised because before she looked up at Damon, I expected her to either (a) look at Stefan and/or (b) Stefan to come up behind her, comfort her, put an arm around her, something. Instead, it was all (and only) Damon and Elena there. So, although I'm trying to not get my hopes up too much, I do have high hopes for next week's finale on the Damon/Elena front, I really do. (I mean, really, would they crap all over their most popular pairing all season long and not end on a big positive -- well, as positive as The Vampire Diaries can get in their finale -- note?)

Phew! That brings us to my favorite relationship showcased in this episode, and my absolute favorite scene: That final one between Damon and Stefan. OH. MY. GOD! I was more verklempt and emotionally moved by this scene than any other since Bonnie reacting to Sheila's death back in 1.14. Paul Wesley broke my heart, and this scene pretty much confirmed what I've long believed. However much Stefan loved Katherine, however much he loves Elena, however much he'll love Caroline (it will happen, damnit!), Damon will always be his #1. It is totally Damon >>> Everyone else in the entirety of ever for Stefan. Even my sister who doesn't delve deep into thinky thoughts about the show (and has pish-poshed my contention that Stefan would choose Damon over Elena if push came to shove) said about this scene that Stefan was so much more affected by Damon's potential death than anything that's happened with Elena this season.

I'm not saying he doesn't love Elena. Of course he does. But Damon is the most important person to him ever. And likely for always. And that's exactly how Paul played it. When Damon told him he was bitten ("it's actually more a nip really," bwah!), there was a shell-shocked reaction from Stefan, and when he moved closer, there was almost a jerkiness, a disbelieving-ness in his very movements. His voice was hushed, as if trying to control the tremors, and the sobs that you so know he was holding back. There was a quiet, desperate urgency to how Paul played this scene that I did not see personally in any of his reaction to Elena's gonna die stuff this season. Again, not saying that he doesn't love Elena, but Damon is his brother, and I've always maintained that despite everything, Stefan freaking ADORES his brother. He can't lose him. He can, and expects to, lose Elena someday. Not Damon, though. Never Damon. And, yet he's looking at that bite and he knows what it means.

But, oh, being Stefan, he immediately rejects reality, buries his head in the sand and determines that he'll find a cure. And that was also so beautiful and wonderful and interesting. Not "we," not including Elena or anyone else from their group. This was all about Stefan saving Damon. He's at first talking in 'we' speak -- "We kept Elena human, right? We found a way when there was no way." But when it comes to Damon, Stefan without hesitation, without thought, steps up to the plate ... all him:

"Hey, I will do this." Making sure that Damon is looking at him, his voice so determined, his gaze so strong. Oh, Stefan. Gawd! Just killed me dead in the best way possible. Damn, I love my Salvatore Brothers.

And then my favorite moment of the whole scene, Damon turns to walk away, and Stefan looked after him, utter devastation written on every line of his body, but he was standing as still as a statue. Except for his fingers. They were moving in this jittery dance of desperation, of helplessness, of an urgency to DO SOMETHING. Ah, it was so good. Just watching his brother walk away into the sun, and all the love that Stefan feels for Damon you could feel in that moment so keenly.

And, oh my, how did I love (and yet my heart broke at the same time) that nearly final shot of Damon walking away into that sunrise, head held high, looking as if he had no care in the world.

     

Oh, Damon. {{sobs}}
 
 
 
luvbama: damonluvbama on May 7th, 2011 11:39 pm (UTC)
Excellent thinky thoughts, as usual. Also, as usual, I'm pretty much walking lock-step with you. However, I'm confused about the funeral. Initially, I thought it was John's funeral. Damon said there was room in the Gilbert family plot, but he didn't say for whom. John is a Gilbert, Jenna is not. Elena placed two roses on the grave (why two?), then Alaric placed one. Since Alaric detested John, I really can't see him placing a rose on his grave, but he SO would on Jenna's. That's when I began to think it was Jenna's funeral. But...if that was Jenna's grave, then where is John's? If it was John's, then where is Jenna's? Since Elena placed two roses, was it a double funeral and I just couldn't tell? Help! I need everyone accounted for, lol.
Arabian: Damon05arabian on May 7th, 2011 11:59 pm (UTC)
You missed some stuff at the funeral. The two flowers that Elena put down were at the gravestones of her parents. You can clearly see their names on the tombstone. Alaric is putting a rose on a different grave -- Jenna's fresh grave which is next to her sister and brother-in-law's. Honestly, I don't think John has been "found" yet, and they weren't worried about his funeral. This was definitely Jenna's. John will probably be "found" in a day or two, dying of an unknown reason, and there will be a funeral for him that we won't see onscreen most likely.
luvbama: damonluvbama on May 8th, 2011 12:20 am (UTC)
No, Elena had four roses in her hands. She placed two on the fresh grave(s), and then walked over to her parents' grave and placed the remaining two there. Also, John was right outside the door of the old house they were all in. I just don't see how they could have missed him when they left there. So, I still don't know for sure who they buried, Jenna or John. :(
Arabian: Damon07arabian on May 8th, 2011 12:30 am (UTC)
No, I didn't mean that they'd miss John, but rather that they'd let him be found later so that it wouldn't cause too many more questions.

I missed her having the two earlier roses, so I just rewatched it. There were two fresh graves next to each other for Jenna and John. She placed one rose down, and then the second one on the fresh grave next to it. :( They buried both of them. Which is better, because waiting to have John's body "discovered" would have been hella cold!
luvbama: damonluvbama on May 8th, 2011 12:58 am (UTC)
I just rewatched that scene, too. Yeah, it did look like she placed a rose on each of two new graves. So glad to have that settled, and ITA that it's better to have buried them both and not wait until later to "find" John. Thanks for helping me figure it out. :)
Arabian: Damon08arabian on May 8th, 2011 01:05 am (UTC)
No problem. I loved pretty much every moment of this episode so rewatching any of it is not a chore. :)
eolivet on May 8th, 2011 12:01 am (UTC)
Wow. I didn't like this ep as much as the previous two -- well, check that: I loved the second half (about the time Stefan got a stake in the back, hee!) but other than the Elena/Jenna scenes, I found the first half...a little slow. Kind of "hurry up and wait." Maybe I've been spoiled by so much action in the latter half of the season, it just seemed...slower than usual. ;p

But WORD to this:

He is simply not charismatic enough, especially in relation to both Ian Somerhalder, and especially the other newbie and Original, Daniel Gillies.

I think that was a huge part of the reason the ep didn't start moving for me until the plan to get Klaus kicked into gear. When it was just Klaus onscreen, trying to go for "menacing"...eh, didn't get it, dude. He seemed more "Talented Mr. Ripley" than "the Don Juan Casanova Vampire of evil." My sister assures me he was exactly like this in the book, but I mean...the show has veered off from the book before -- why adhere exactly to it now?

Stefan also was back to bugging the crap out of me. "Oh, I will sacrifice myself, Elena! Aren't I so noble?" Blech. Like I said...no coincidence the ep picked up for me when Klaus was all "Thanks, but no thanks." I also had no love lost for his convo with Elijah ("I know what it is like to be the good brother." Spare me your boasting, please!) Although I adored the Elijah/Klaus convo at the end. Excellent point about how Damon was right all along. Fantastic acting from Gillies there. :)

But for the second part of the ep, I pretty much agree with everything. John's letter affected me way more than it should have. Oh man, and when he said the ring was for her child, I darn near lost it... :( Parents and kids on this show, I swear. Or just...any family, really. It makes me so sad that Elena and Jeremy have no one else.

I hope this isn't the beginning of a trend to kill off parental figures. :/ I think the kids of Mystic Falls still need them. :x

(And all the Damon/Elena scenes were gold, The End. :)

Finale looks intense. One week (or less) more!!! :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena04arabian on May 8th, 2011 12:41 am (UTC)
I can see not being impressed with Klaus being the reason for not digging the first half, but it breaks my heart that Stefan annoyed you.

I didn't think for a second that he was doing the 'sacrifice himself to be noble.' I mean, Damon was willing to do the exact same thing. Stefan was going under the belief that Jenna's lived a little over 20 years. Stefan has lived for 162 years. If someone is going down, it should be him over her. It was noble; it was a great thing to do -- just as it was when Damon was going to do it.

The reason the conversation with Elijah worked for me is because it made it crystal clear that despite "respecting her wishes," Stefan thought Elena's plan was stupid too. Which, to me, was short-hand of the show for saying that, yeah, Damon was more right than wrong here. As for him being the "good brother." I don't think he was saying it in an 'aren't I great?' way at all, but rather the burden that comes with it. Damon can go and do all of the crazy stuff to save the day, but because Stefan is "good" he has to follow all the rules and do the right thing always and that gets chafing at times. He was worried that Elijah very well may reach that breaking point. It was a valid observation.

John's letter affected me way more than it should have. Oh man, and when he said the ring was for her child, I darn near lost it...

Ah, see I had a totally different reaction to that. My thought was, John is apologizing for not listening to her and her boyfriends' side of things at the top of the letter, and then at the end implying that she should dump said boyfriends and get with a human because begetting a child is not something she can do with the vampires. (Although, typing this, adopted children would work as well, but I don't think he was thinking of that.)

Finale looks intense. One week (or less) more!!! :D

I know!
Mitten: vampiresugarsyringe on May 8th, 2011 03:12 am (UTC)
Loved the episode!
The only thing that truly annoyed me is, as I told you, not to be shocked at deaths thanks to the spoilers.
Other than that, it was great! I have to say that I agree with most of what you said.

The part about Jenna's death truly broke my heart, with Elena telling Jenna to shut down her emotions so she wouldn't be scared anymore. It's very noble, what Jenna tried to do but alas it failed. And as you said, it is just another failure on Jenna's side, which I think is a shame. Jenna had enough in her to make us react and sympathize with her. Moreover, her dynamic with Ric was really touching. I don't know, I just think they could have done a lot more with this character.

The last scene with Stefan and Damon. Ah! A-ma-zing! I just can't wait before next week's episode and that's one of the main reasons why. Even a bit earlier into the episode, it made me smile when Stefan was talking to Elijah and mentionned his weird relationship with his brother. The last scene was the logical follow up with Stefan showing just how much he cares, deep down inside, about his brother, regardless of how much they might fight or disagree sometimes. That's a real relationship between siblings, a real bond! (moreover, it was heartbreaking to see how little Damon seems to care about his own life)

As for Damon and Elena. I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up not to be disapointed. Who knows what is going to happen. The promo for the finale looked very promising but promos are often misleading. The Delena moment might just never happen and ah! I just don't want to be disapointed as I've been with the episode before the mid-season hiatus where they ruined a perfect opportunity to develop the relationship between these two.

I'm still not sure that Damon will actually survive. They could kill him off. I think though that if they go down that road, they'll find a way to revive him in season 3. It's clear that Damon is a big part of the show but I don't think it's impossible for him to be temporarily dead... as in really dead. That's why I'm prepared to all eventualities, I'll have my tissues ready next week!
Still hope that they're going to find a cure anyway!
Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on May 8th, 2011 12:32 pm (UTC)
This really was a fantastic episode; I just loved it so.

And no matter how many times I watch that last scene with Stefan and Damon, man, Paul Wesley just slays me. Stefan is in such devastation mode.

As for Damon and Elena, I just can't believe that we've had a whole season of crapping over the couple/the fanbase and we're not going to get some major make-up for it. And again, going back to the fact that Elena truly believes that Damon will die; she's seen the horrible effects of a wolf bite on a vampire, and if that doesn't bring forth some feelings. Well, nothing will.

I'm still not sure that Damon will actually survive. They could kill him off. I think though that if they go down that road, they'll find a way to revive him in season 3. It's clear that Damon is a big part of the show but I don't think it's impossible for him to be temporarily dead... as in really dead.

Oh, I'm already envisioning the last shot is Damon really "dying." And, of course, he'll be revived somehow in season three. My thing about him not really dying is that he WILL be back in season three; there's no way they're getting rid of Ian Somerhalder and Damon.
Mitten: vampire diariessugarsyringe on May 8th, 2011 03:05 pm (UTC)
The last scene is the best one, without a doubt. After writing this yesterday, I rewatched it and noticed Stefan's fingers moving nervously while he's standing still. I hadn't seen that and it just adds more to Paul's amazing performance.

I really, really hope that you're right about Damon and Elena! I'm just trying not to expect too many things because I hate to be disapointed about the show. You're right though, if Elena isn't moved by what Damon is going through, then I don't see what else could make her change her mind. Still, their relationship is into such a bad shape with Damon killing Jeremy then force feeding her his blood. Elena will already be a saint if she manages to forgive him for all that (which is why, in a sense, Damon dying is pretty much the only thing that is powerful enough to make him earn forgiveness).
Season 2 was incredibly cruel to my otp, no doubt! I hope that something worthy of major fangirling will happen before the end. I'm just trying to prepare myself to the eventuality that it doesn't happen (so I won't be pissed off like I was when Stefan was stuck in the tomb with the promise of some Delena moments which never happened)

Damon being dead for real could definitely be one of the final scenes of the episode. If they kill him off though, I can only wonder how they're going to make him come back. This will be incredibly intersting.
traciaknowstraciaknows on May 8th, 2011 03:34 am (UTC)
Hello! I'm so glad that I stumbled onto your thinky thoughts tonight!

First, I'm going to give almost everything a big huge THIS. Possibly even a triumphant fist punch in the air- mostly because you have written down everything I have been thinking in regards to Damon. The whole line of his about Stephan always cleaning up his messes- when almost everything this season has been about Damon trying to do that for himself- and frankly, most of Stephan's messes too. But Stephan gets the credit. It's crazy. Or crazy-making, given your point of view.

I do think you are absolutely onto something about them setting it up that Damon is elena's hero. While everyone is screaming about Damon not respecting her wishes- I'm with him! She's 17! What the hell does she know about anything? It made me scream when Stephan calls her out for being a martyr, calling it a tradgity, but does nothing really to save her. I though Damon's reaction was perfectly reasonable considering. I'm also ok with him giving/forcing his blood on her. Yes, he should have asked- but Damon's desperate times call for even more desperate measures. And it's not like she wouldn't be able to choose! She could die- or become a vampire. I know which one I'd choose!

Since I'm new to your meta- Forgive me if you've posted on this before... But what do you think about the deliberate Gone With The Wind references? I find it interesting that the only two characters in the show who have been to Atlanta are in a scene where Atlanta is burning in the background...

Thanks so much! I'm hoping that you don't mind me friending you...
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)03arabian on May 8th, 2011 12:36 pm (UTC)
Just a warning. You may not want to read any of my Doctor Who/Torchwood posts. I ADORE RTD. Just sayin.' Now onto TVD! SQUEE!

Yup, Damon is so fucked up, and yet he does try, and he doesn't even seem to realize how much he is trying because he never gets any positive feedback for it. Poor guy.

I do think you are absolutely onto something about them setting it up that Damon is elena's hero. While everyone is screaming about Damon not respecting her wishes- I'm with him! She's 17! What the hell does she know about anything?

YES! THIS!

I'm also ok with him giving/forcing his blood on her. Yes, he should have asked- but Damon's desperate times call for even more desperate measures. And it's not like she wouldn't be able to choose! She could die- or become a vampire.

And THIS!!!

Re: GWTW -- SPOILERS! -- Sorry, I did know about those. Uhm, as a GWTW-fan, I'm just thrilled they're going there, hee! Seriously, I don't know, but I think it's a wonderful point and I hope it DOES play out to some degree. It's certainly interesting, and there are definitely similarities there.

Don't mind the friending at all. I did check your lj, but it looks like you don't post much, so I didn't friend you back. That's the only reason why I didn't.

traciaknowstraciaknows on May 8th, 2011 01:37 pm (UTC)
As frustrated as I get with RTD- I'll always give him credit for creating characters that I loved mightily. :) I'm not thrilled with the direction that Torchwood has gone- but what's done is done. I'm glad that its ok to friend you. I've suffered pretty majorly with writer's block the last few years. I can come up with ideas- just not often the substance. I'm working on a D/E piece- I've got my fingers crossed about it.

I can't wait to read your thoughts on the finale!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Brothersbutterfly on May 8th, 2011 04:58 am (UTC)
This episode! Loved it.

I felt very vindicated by the show in that DAMON (AND I) WAS RIGHT ABOUT IT BEING A STUPID PLAN. The show clearly illustrated that, lo, Elena's plan was not good.

Once again, Damon (and still being treated like dirt) was expected to do all the heavy lifting and then gets blamed when things that are beyond his control -- because everyone is too busy respecting a 17-year old's extremely stupid, suicidal wishes -- go all cock-eyed. I am speaking of John's "How could you let this happen?" about Elena being a part of the sacrifice. And, hmm, like father, like daughter, that's the same thing Elena said to Damon when Stefan was in the tomb. How? How are these things DAMON's fault? Seriously. So not fair.

Mmm, yeah. They rely on Damon so much and expect him to protect everyone.

And now he's dying. And he doesn't appear to give even the slightest shit about it. He only told Stefan so that Stefan would know that it was up to him now to figure out how to keep Elena (and everyone else) safe from Klaus. And then he just walked away after telling Stefan to not tell Elena, with the implication that Damon had no intention of telling anyone else but Stefan. And he got pissed at Elena for not fighting for her life? Really?! This, Damon, is giving up. This has nothing to do with sacrificing one's self to save others. This is just about dying and not caring. Oh, Damon. What little self-worth he has. And Damon-haters can't understand how us Damon-lovers can love him, and we wonder how they can not see! He's been so emotionally wrecked and abused his whole life that he has no earthly clue how to love himself. None at all. He has faith in Elena and Stefan, Alaric and Bonnie, and all of these 'heroes,' but he has zero faith in himself, that he can be better ... that he has that capability to be more. Oh, Damon.

It's heartbreaking. He can put so much passion into saving Elena (or others) but he doesn't think that he's worth that kind of passion. Reminds me of how much I hate that Elena didn't get to hear his speech in 1x22 - "somewhere along the way, you decided that I was worth saving".

Damon is capable of being much worse than Stefan. But, from what we've seen on the show, he's also capable of being much more heroic. He's a creature of extremes, our Damon.

It is totally Damon >>> Everyone else in the entirety of ever for Stefan. Even my sister who doesn't delve deep into thinky thoughts about the show (and has pish-poshed my contention that Stefan would choose Damon over Elena if push came to shove) said about this scene that Stefan was so much more affected by Damon's potential death than anything that's happened with Elena this season.

Yep. Stefan is capable of a level of frantic, desperate love for Damon that he doesn't seem to have available to use for anyone else.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on May 8th, 2011 12:39 pm (UTC)
This episode! Loved it.

Pretty much this.

I felt very vindicated by the show in that DAMON (AND I) WAS RIGHT ABOUT IT BEING A STUPID PLAN. The show clearly illustrated that, lo, Elena's plan was not good.

Yes, and that's partly why I liked the Stefan/Elijah scene because it showed that, yeah, even Stefan thought the plan was full of holes, he was hoping and holding onto Elena's (horrible!) instincts.

He can put so much passion into saving Elena (or others) but he doesn't think that he's worth that kind of passion. Reminds me of how much I hate that Elena didn't get to hear his speech in 1x22 - "somewhere along the way, you decided that I was worth saving".

Sigh. I know. Her not hearing that speech, and seeing what led to the kiss has always been so heartbreaking because if she had seen/heard what happened, I think she would have understood a LOT better why that kiss took place, and where Damon's state of mind is. I mean, the guy finally opened up to someone and it bit him in the ass, no wonder he hasn't done it seen except with compulsion on hand.

Damon is capable of being much worse than Stefan. But, from what we've seen on the show, he's also capable of being much more heroic</i>. He's a creature of extremes, our Damon.</i>

Yup. So much this. Oh, Damon.

Stefan is capable of a level of frantic, desperate love for Damon that he doesn't seem to have available to use for anyone else.

He so adores his big brother. I remain overwhelmed by how magnificently Paul Wesley played that scene. Just gorgeous.


x5valex5vale on May 8th, 2011 12:47 pm (UTC)
best review ever!

I totally agree with everything and especially on your beautiiul insight of the last scene. Stefan totally loves his brother. He is lost without him.I just hope he will be the one to save him, to prove him how much he cares, how much he loves Damon, how much Damon is worth to be loved.

Can I quote some sentences of this post (crediting you of course) in my next one?

thank you.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan03arabian on May 8th, 2011 01:04 pm (UTC)
Aww, thanks, and of course, you can quote me. :)

I will be shocked (and quite peeved) if Stefan isn't the one who comes through for Damon. He just has too. And it might be the thing that finally wakes Damon up to the fact that, yes, Stefan does truly and totally loves him.
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Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on May 8th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
Great review(!)

Thank you. :)

I especially liked what you had to say about Damon and the Damon/Stefan relationship. I actually came across a review that was ~shocked~ @ how Damon reacted to Stefan sacrificing himself. They didn't think Damon cared... I was like... really?!!!??? It's always been SO OBVIOUS to me that these two brothers LOVE EACH OTHER. But this reviewer, doesn't like Damon and only sees him as this ~big evil~ who is completely selfish and doesn't care about anyone else but himself.. lmao So, yeah.

It's interesting because I've noticed that many Damon-lovers can admit when he screws up, his mistakes, his flaws, etc., but it seems that for the majority of Damon-haters Damon is just pure the evul! It's ridiculous. Are they even watching the same show?!

I've been thinking they were heading more towards DE ever since Stefan/Elena's conversation on the hilltop. I would very surprised if that conversation doesn't affect SE's relationship in some way. Plus, all the emphasis with the hands in that episode(like you said if this were any other show, I wouldn't read too much into it) - they wanted us to notice that, imo.

Right. I talked in my review of "The Last Day" about how that conversation on the hill rang to me like an acknowledgement from both that they knew they had an expiration date.

Then this episode, to add to what you said, I noticed they had Stefan watch her die while Damon saw her come back to life. More symbolism.

Ooh, I didn't even think of that. Good point!

As for the wolf bite... I think since everyone believes he's going to die - it will bring out Elena's very buried feelings for Damon(which, despite what the naysayers say, she totally has). I would be very surprised if we don't get SOMETHING in the finale(and probably bitch and moan especially since they've shit on this ship a lot of this season). don't even get me started on the people that are already saying that if DE happen they will quit the show because they will lose all respect for Elena if she falls for Damon

This all the way around.

Anyway... I'm going to friend you for your TVD and I see you also watch TBBT(!!!) (no pressure to friend back - unless you want to!)

We have a few slight differences in our TVD opinions (I still love Liz, and I'm all about Caroline with Stefan), but defintely friends, we certainly have some similar interests. :)

Edited at 2011-05-08 10:19 pm (UTC)
Jude: tvd; damon and elenadanceonstardust on May 8th, 2011 06:35 pm (UTC)
PART 1
YAY! I love thinking thinky thoughts time!

The Jenna/Elena conversation was heartbreaking in how defeated Jenna sounded. She didn't want to be their guardian, partly because she believed she would screw up, and clearly she does think she did.
That's what really sucks about Jenna's death, I was hoping to see more of her badass auntie ways but they killed her off. Cue me to tears. T_T

Now Stefan asks if he can trust Elijah? NOW?!?!? Oh, Stefan. You just made such a joke out of your respecting Elena's wishes. And this is why I could not see the greatness in what Stefan did in that respecting. There is respecting one's wishes, and there is respecting their wishes, while still questioning their STUPIDITY! Stefan could have broached his concerns about her plan with respect. But he didn't even do that, and Elena *might* have listened to Stefan (or Jenna, or Bonnie, or Alaric) where she would have not listened to Damon. Clearly, Stefan did NOT think it was the greatest plan ever, but it was so important to respect Elena's wishes and not have her upset with him for even questioning her that he didn't, well, question her.

Yeah, I was going 'WTH Stefan?" Maybe it was Damon who made him think that way. O.o

I was going to say Damon didn't respect her wishes as well but I fear to be tackled down by a bunch (you included) of Damon fans. I AM A DAMON FAN! I COME IN PEACE! *waves white flag* and you probably have an excellent explanation about Damon being that way because he's in the right also. You already fully awesome explained that I see. xD

OH, CRAP! KATHERINE IS STUCK IN THE APARTMENT NOW. Wah! Maybe they made it for her, and not because Alaric is not dying. Oh, God, please, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT KILL MY BB, ALARIC! I don't think Damon (or I) could take it. Damon needs his only true friend. I need my Alaric. I love him so. (Especially when Matt Davis was looking so mighty fine in this episode.)

THIS. THIS TO THE EXTREME, That's another reason (other then just the show itself) why I watch this show. lol I really hope they don't kill him off. Maybe Elena will give him the ring back and probably say "Isobel wanted you to have it because she loved you." or something like that. lol.

I don't consider what Elijah did really a betrayal. And, although, the trio will all understandably be pissed off and beyond with him, I think that underneath the rage and frustration, each of them completely understand why he did what he did. After all, their loved ones are their greatest "weakness" as well.

As a huge Elijah fan (you know I am hehe), I actually expected it. I was thinking especially after Klaus said something, I think he got away from Klaus because Klaus to him was like maybe a little bit of Stefan is to Damon, not so much. Just the brother bonding thing. I mean he really was going to kill him until he mentioned something about their family. Elijah wanted one thing out of it. To find out where his family was. If anything, it makes me more in love with him in a messed up sense. XD

Okay, one complaint. Seriously, make-up department?! STOP WITH THE GUYLINER! It was excessively terrible on both Ian Somerhalder and Paul Wesley. As much as I adored their final scene, I'm distracted every time I've watched it (I'm at my millionth or so viewing) by the damn guyliner so heavy on both pretty, pretty boys. Grr.

I guess they do it to make them look more paler? Yeah I agree. I also have something to complain about, what's with the fake lashes on Elena? Without getting punched in the face by someone here, I'm going to clarify why I say this. I get why Katherine does it because she has the time but Elena? Not really. Even at the time where she meets Elijah, I don't know, it really annoyed me. I say the same thing for Sookie after her being kidnapped and beaten up all last year, I seen her in these fake lashes. Leave it for the red carpet, make up department! These people are pretty enough as it is!
Jude: tvd; damon and elenadanceonstardust on May 8th, 2011 06:48 pm (UTC)
PART 2
I really loved Matt's decision to walk away from Caroline because of his reasoning. His real life worries suck and he has to deal with it, so he doesn't have the time (nor desire) for all of this supernatural freaky shit. It was nice getting that kind of reaction to the supernatural. I love the different perspectives we get on this show.

Even some people over twitter called him a total douche, as a Matt fan, man, I loved that he really put his real life problems out there. He's like the Anti-Edward in a way. He has a real life, an absentee mom and has to do all this shit for himself. He rather live to real life then deal with as you said "supernatural freaky shit" lol.

And that focus on Damon and Elena which began with him carrying her, continued throughout the rest of the episode. While waiting for her to wake up, Jeremy was in the doorway, so that when she did, we only saw Damon with her, even in the overhead shot. The first word that she said was "Damon," and those first few seconds was focused on the two of them. In any other show, I wouldn't read any other significance in it because, well, of course, the romantic entanglement takes precedence over the familial relationship, but that's not the case with The Vampire Diaries. So, I do think it was framed as such for a reason. And that reason is, as stated above, that we're heading into more of a Damon/Elena focus. (SQUEE!)

I just want to say, *SQUEE* with all the D/E stuff going on. lol. I can't believe they are heading this route LOL!

Quick question: Since Elena "died," will she remember the compulsion from "Rose?" Hmm...
Finally, there was the significant look shared between Damon and Elena at Jenna's funeral. Again, there was no one else in the shot, just Elena, and then Damon, despite the presence of the others there. The framing with everyone else out of the shot -- Elena at her parents' grave and Damon walking away -- kept that focusing on the two of them alone. And I was surprised because before she looked up at Damon, I expected her to either (a) look at Stefan and/or (b) Stefan to come up behind her, comfort her, put an arm around her, something. Instead, it was all (and only) Damon and Elena there. So, although I'm trying to not get my hopes up too much, I do have high hopes for next week's finale on the Damon/Elena front, I really do. (I mean, really, would they crap all over their most popular pairing all season long and not end on a big positive -- well, as positive as The Vampire Diaries can get in their finale -- note?)


That look they shared over the grave made me think of that. She KNOWS.

I agree. I can't wait!! I wish I had more to say lol.
Arabian: Damon & Elena10arabian on May 8th, 2011 10:27 pm (UTC)
Re: PART 2
Even some people over twitter called him a total douche, as a Matt fan, man, I loved that he really put his real life problems out there. He's like the Anti-Edward in a way. He has a real life, an absentee mom and has to do all this shit for himself. He rather live to real life then deal with as you said "supernatural freaky shit" lol.

The Matty-hate makes me sad because other than the crappy way he treated Caroline (post-life-threatening-car-crash!) in the beginning of the season, I totally get all the choices he's made. And I got this one too obviously.

I just want to say, *SQUEE* with all the D/E stuff going on. lol. I can't believe they are heading this route LOL!

See, I'm just surprised at anyone who's surprised by this. I've read tons of comments from people who state matter-of-factly that they'll never go the D/E route, they are just dropping crumbs for the D/E fanbase, and I'm all, really? Of course, I'm obsessed with the show and rewatch and think thinky thoughts all the time about it, LOL!

That look they shared over the grave made me think of that. She KNOWS.

Maybe we'll find out next week! I think if it's in the previouslies we'll know right away.
Arabian: Damon & Elena11arabian on May 8th, 2011 10:25 pm (UTC)
Re: PART 1
YAY! I love thinking thinky thoughts time!

I thank Stefan's face and the creation of that icon for that catchy phrase. :)

That's what really sucks about Jenna's death, I was hoping to see more of her badass auntie ways but they killed her off. Cue me to tears. T_T

I agree, but on the other hand, I did appreciate that when deciding to let her go, they created that symmetry of the trying so hard, but failing that was emblematic of her life as a guardian.

I was going to say Damon didn't respect her wishes as well but I fear to be tackled down by a bunch (you included) of Damon fans. I AM A DAMON FAN! I COME IN PEACE! *waves white flag* and you probably have an excellent explanation about Damon being that way because he's in the right also. You already fully awesome explained that I see. xD

Oh, hell, Damon didn't respect her wish at all. He was totally right in doing what he did (I think), but in taking the choice away from her and not respecting her wishes, he was totally wrong. That's what I love about this show, both Stefan and Damon were wrong *and* right in different ways.

THIS. THIS TO THE EXTREME, That's another reason (other then just the show itself) why I watch this show. lol I really hope they don't kill him off. Maybe Elena will give him the ring back and probably say "Isobel wanted you to have it because she loved you." or something like that. lol.

Yes, that should work. I just -- man, I don't want to lose Alaric!

As a huge Elijah fan (you know I am hehe), I actually expected it. I was thinking especially after Klaus said something, I think he got away from Klaus because Klaus to him was like maybe a little bit of Stefan is to Damon, not so much. Just the brother bonding thing. I mean he really was going to kill him until he mentioned something about their family. Elijah wanted one thing out of it. To find out where his family was. If anything, it makes me more in love with him in a messed up sense. XD

Oh, yeah, they were really driving it home, the similarities between the brothers and with that conversation between Stefan and Elijah it was obvious that something like that would happen.

I guess they do it to make them look more paler?

Nope, for two reasons. They do it to Matt Davis and Steven R. McQueen too. (I'm sure the other guys, but I haven't noticed on them.) And, besides, Damon and Stefan aren't pale because they can go in the sun.

I also have something to complain about, what's with the fake lashes on Elena? Without getting punched in the face by someone here, I'm going to clarify why I say this. I get why Katherine does it because she has the time but Elena? Not really. Even at the time where she meets Elijah, I don't know, it really annoyed me. I say the same thing for Sookie after her being kidnapped and beaten up all last year, I seen her in these fake lashes. Leave it for the red carpet, make up department! These people are pretty enough as it is!

I notice this whenever I grab screencaps for icons and stuff, but always forget when the show airs. I guess we're just supposed to assume that Katherine/Elena have such naturally lush, abundant lashes, lol!

Stupid make-up department. I do NOT like their make-up department. The fact that they can make Ian Fucking Somerhalder look not-always gorgeous with their make-up and hair choices shows how inept they are. I am sorry, but TRUE FACT!
Mechellebarilace on May 8th, 2011 09:17 pm (UTC)
Hola, I really like your VD thoughts. So I was wondering if you minded me adding you? :D
Arabian: Kate & Leo02arabian on May 8th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
Thank you, and no problem. :)
crowandfog: VM: Logan/V I thought our story was epiccrowandfog on May 9th, 2011 01:18 am (UTC)
This is a wonderful post, and I pretty much agree with everything that you said here. I thought this episode was fantastic. Like you said, it wasn't shocking, but it had a very nice emotional element that lasted throughout. I really enjoyed it.

I don't know how to explain this very well, but I'm starting to wonder if Damon is, in some way, a medium for the writers to communicate certain truths (regarding plot or character motivation) to the audience without being too heavy-handed. I've noticed over the series that there are times when Damon seems to say what I'm actually thinking while I'm watching the show. The best example of that would be when he called Stefan out for being a yes man instead of fighting to save Elena. Also, when we were first introduced to the Sun and Moon Curse, Damon--and only Damon, IIRC--questioned not only the veracity of such a curse but the logic and motive behind the Originals (who could, as he noted, already walk in the sun) wanting to break such a curse. For the first few episodes in which the curse was mentioned, Damon kept talking about it like it was the stupidest thing he'd ever heard. So when Elijah told Elena that it was a scam, my first thought was DAMON WAS RIGHT AGAIN. Plus, Damon seems to consistently know when another character is up to no good. His suspicion is like an arrow telling the viewers, HERE IS THE NEW VILLAIN or HERE IS THE NEW PLOT. If Damon perceives someone or something as harmless, it's pretty much okay for the viewers to see that as harmless, too. I think it's very, very interesting that TPTB would take the most conflicted character on the show and make him the one-eyed man among the blind. He isn't the moral compass of the show, but he seems to be the truth compass, if that makes any sense.

Moving on, I'm amused that you mentioned Jason Dohring because I've just spent the last month watching the entire series of Veronica Mars for the first time ever and OH MY GOODNESS WHAT A SHOW! It is now one of my top five favorite dramas. I didn't watch it when it was airing because I was addicted to The O.C (which will probably always be my fave show of all time), and IIRC there were some scheduling conflicts--not to mention that I wasn't a UPN fan. But now I'm pretty sure that I will be in love with VM (especially Logan Echolls) for the rest of my life. While I think that Jason would have been an EXCELLENT Klaus (smug? check. magnetic? check. calculating? check.), I'm kinda glad that he is not Klaus because I really don't think my fangirl would survive THAT MUCH AWESOME on one show. Seriously. I have a hard enough time making it through a TVD episode with coherent thoughts as it is. Having Jason in the mix would just SKKLIDGHSADFILKNSGIHSADGFN. But I do agree that Joseph Morgan doesn't seem to have the charisma required to make him stand out with Ian Somerhalder and Daniel Gillies around--which would be fine with me except we are expected to believe that Katherine was enamored with him even though Elijah was walking around being all wonderful.
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on May 9th, 2011 02:17 am (UTC)
Wow, that is an awesome observation about Damon being the truth compass for the writers, and it does make perfect sense. Awesome.

Ah, Veronica Mars, I think it probably plays out much better all in a row and not having to deal with the terrible behind-the-scenes crapola and utter crapping upon of Logan/Veronica by everyone involved with the show except Jason Dohring. It had its moments for me, but in the end, I came away loving Jason Dohring with heavy issues involving almost everything else.

As for Dohring as Klaus (if you haven't watched Moonlight -- I'd suggest you do so, he played a centuries old vampire named Josef and while having way too small a role, was AWESOME in it!), having Ian AND Jason on the same screen would have been one thing. Knowing that Ian Somerhalder and Jason Dohring were only a little hour away from me filming likely would have killed me dead at the extreme OMGing, LOL!

which would be fine with me except we are expected to believe that Katherine was enamored with him even though Elijah was walking around being all wonderful

My Elijah/Kat loving heart is convinced that she felt more for Elijah than she realized. I keep thinking of her looking back at him as Klaus led her away. Klaus was all surface glitz, but Elijah was heart and soul beauty. Ahhhh!

Aww, I just noticed you're Logan/Veronica icon. (I do have tons of VM, Logan, Jason posts -- including art, fic and vids, if you're interested.) Link to all my VM-posts, and here are my Jason Dohring posts.

ETA: Warning, I am very harsh on season three aspects (and s2) of VM. If you're okay with reading my angry venting, it would be interesting to read your take as someone who watched it all together without knowing spoilers way ahead of time -- I was an insane spoiler whore for that show (I knew when and how Duncan was leaving almost four months before the episode aired, I had me some contacts) -- and, again, dealing with the behind the scenes crap.

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crowandfog: TVD: Damon/Elena a work in progresscrowandfog on May 9th, 2011 05:11 am (UTC)
Damon is an excellent BS detector. I thought it was insane that Stefan and Elena were so adamantly against Bonnie dying when her death would have prevented the deaths of several other people. Eventually, even Bonnie seemed to give up on the idea of just killing Klaus with her full-out powers, and Damon was the only one who continued to say, "No really. Letting Bonnie die is the best option here." Elena didn't seem to care or understand that her death automatically included the death of at least two other people. It didn't register with her at all until she saw Jenna at the quarry. Did Elena not care as long as it wasn't her loved ones? She didn't seem interested in even TRYING to stop the ritual. I don't think that keeping a werewolf and a vampire from being sacrificed was part of Damon's motivation, but I think it's interesting that he was still the ONLY ONE who recognized the best solution and continued to argue for it. Elena lost her aunt and her uncle daddy (and technically died herself) because she wasn't willing to lose her best friend. Tyler lost his only werewolf friend. Oh, and Klaus isn't dead. *shakes her head*

The first season of Veronica Mars is one of the best seasons of television I've ever seen. The continuity blew my mind. I really enjoyed the second season, too (Although I thought the Dead!Keith fake out was HILARIOUS in it's ridiculousness! Did ANYONE believe that???) But I found the third to be a bit...odd at times. It had some really good moments, but as a whole it didn't work as well for me. I did like the way that it ended though.

In truth, the ONLY things I knew/heard about Veronica Mars before I watched it were that V liked to solve crimes, she had a good relationship with her dad, there was a Duncan/Veronica/Logan triangle, Logan Echolls was an experiment in how many horrible things a character can do before he becomes completely irredeemable, and he supposedly gave new meaning to the word "epic" in a romantic context. I knew absolutely nothing at all about plot. So I really got to enjoy a lot of the twists. Actually, I think the lack of subtlety was one of my biggest problems with season three. It no longer felt organic.

So there were a lot of problems with Logan/Veronica? That really surprises me! I actually thought they had one of the most convincing TV romances ever! In fact, they're the only TV couple I can think of that truly made me believe that they were (and always would be) utterly incapable of staying away from each other. There was something very primal about them that was fascinating to watch. I've seen a lot of shows where the "IT couple" supposedly can't live without each other, but L/V were actually bound together through shared trauma upon trauma upon trauma. They were separated from the rest of the world by a huge mass of scar tissue. Totally messed up and totally amazing!

Oooh, I guess Moonlight is next on my list!

I'd love to read your posts! One thing that sucks about my weird habit of falling in love with canceled shows is that the fandom has usually burnt out, which leaves no real potential for discussion. So I tend to go to TWoP to get some kind of idea of how other people reacted to the show, or I force my best friends to watch it with me, lol. All that to say, I'll be very interested in reading your thoughts!

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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Bros. Salvatorebadboy_fangirl on May 9th, 2011 06:15 am (UTC)
there was the significant look shared between Damon and Elena at Jenna's funeral. Again, there was no one else in the shot, just Elena, and then Damon, despite the presence of the others there. The framing with everyone else out of the shot -- Elena at her parents' grave and Damon walking away -- kept that focusing on the two of them alone.

And the significance of John's voice over at just that moment: Whether you're now reading this as a human or a vampire, I love you all the same. As I've always loved you, and always will. Because someday, she'll choose to be a vampire to be with Damon, and that's what will make it okay.

But Damon and Stefan: I was definitely reminded that theirs is the relationship I care most about, and it was all because of Paul's performance. I loved how you recounted it here, including his twitching fingers, because as he approaches Damon to find out the issue, Damon is twisting his ring around on his finger, contemplating his own death, but putting it off for just a bit--long enough for Stefan to step up and become the orchestrator. The whole scene just wrecks me.

So now I'm off to watch it again.
Sarpaceisthetrick on May 11th, 2011 12:23 am (UTC)
I thought the voiceover with Damon & Elena was too wonderful for words too. <3
Maeve: Misfits: Time Is Nothingmarble_rose on May 9th, 2011 08:45 pm (UTC)
Nice review. A lot of this was very in line with my reactions to this episode.

Take Klaus, for example. He just didn't do it for me. I never found him particularly scary or enthralling. Katherine and Elijah (and Pearl!) made WAY more of an impact on me. Normally this show has some of the greatest villains, but I think they slightly missed the mark this go around.

I don't have much to say about the Matt/Caroline/Tyler B plot other than I generally liked the way it worked out: Matt not wanting to be part of Caroline's new world, and the hopeful note things ended on with Caroline/Tyler. No, I don't see myself searching out fic for them, but I do think they're sweet. If the show isn't going to give me Caroline/Stefan, then I'll make do with Caroline/Tyler. Until the writers come to their senses :)

As for Stefan, yeah. He apparently only respects Elena's wishes when she's around to give him brownie points for it, ha. As soon as her back is turned, he's like, oh shit, this plan sucks, must call Damon/interrogate Elijah/setup plan b ASAP.

I'm a little irritated, tho - I've seen several people swooning over Stefan's willingness to take Jenna's place and saying that that's why he, not Damon, will always deserve Elena. What. Did we not just see Damon try to do this exact same thing in the episode before?

Also? Damon's line about how Stefan always cleans up his messes was...in character, but not really accurate? I mean, how was Jenna being taken possibly Damon's fault? He was out saving Caroline, Tyler, and Matt. Maybe if Stefan and Elena weren't busy climbing waterfalls, they could've kept Jenna safe. But you know, that's just a theory.

However, all this sounds like I didn't like Stefan in this episode when I actually liked him more here than I have in the last couple eps. His devastation in that last scene with Damon! I completely agree with you: Damon > everyone else. And I'm glad that's the impression I'm getting from the writing and performances because I wouldn't have believed that Elena meant more than Damon does to Stefan. Stefan already knows that he doesn't get Elena forever since she told him she doesn't want to be a vampire. He might not even get her for her forever because she might want to have children. Just, as much as Stefan loves Elena, Damon is his constant. He defines himself by Damon. So, yeah. That final scene was one of my favorites of the entire show.
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Brothersbutterfly on May 10th, 2011 03:25 pm (UTC)
He apparently only respects Elena's wishes when she's around to give him brownie points for it, ha.

So true. So frustrating!
Sarpaceisthetrick on May 11th, 2011 12:22 am (UTC)
I'm going crazy wondering about Katherine. I posted a speculate what happens to her post at elijah_cat.

"Elena, Elena, Elena -- I'll paraphrase Damon here when I say: Your instincts suck. I love you, but damn, they suck!" LOL SERIOUSLY, Damon is the one with the gut instincts. It's time to pay attention people!

"Sorry, even if I didn't adore the Candice Accola/Paul Wesley chemistry, I'd still just not be feeling Caroline and Tyler as a pair. They just don't do it for me." I haven't shipped at all, even though they're a couple in 2 of my fanfic stories (there's a strange explanation). BUT after this episode, maybe, maybe just maybe I'll give them a shot. YESSSS S/C <3

"Say it with me: Awww. Best bromance! LOVE IT." AWW INDEED.

Hilarious that Elena owns two houses now.

"- What on earth does Klaus have planned for Stefan? Things that make you go hmmm …." Every time Klaus talks about Stefan, it sounds naughty. IDK why….

Elena's "Go To Hell" was PERFECT.

I have no idea why TVD is obsessed with guyliner. It's too fucking weird.

"Damon yet again do the archetypical hero-thing and carry the "damsel in distress" to safety. And then we saw it a third time. Really hammering the point home that Damon is/could be Elena's hero." YEEEEEES. I'm so crazy about this visual messages thing. I love seeing Damon carrying her around because he makes it look so easy. AWW Yeah.


"we're heading into more of a Damon/Elena focus. (SQUEE!)" FULLY AGREE WITH YOU. I COULD FEEL IT TOO. I was like, wait, a second… are we getting some D/E next season? Yes, we are. We better.

"Hey, I will do this." Making sure that Damon is looking at him, his voice so determined, his gaze so strong. Oh, Stefan. Gawd! Just killed me dead in the best way possible. Damn, I love my Salvatore Brothers. MY FAV RELATIONSHIP TOO, BB.

Damon walking away into the cemetery is one of the most beautiful TVD scenes ever. Blew my mind away.
vanimy: D/Kvanimy on May 11th, 2011 08:29 pm (UTC)
Wow. Followed the link you posted at the D/E community and found myself reading your reviews of Season 2. I agree with a lot of what you said (Damon love, D/E shipper, non-Stefan hater, appreciation of the show as a whole...) and I think you say it way more eloquently that I ever could lol. My f-list isn't nearly enough interested in TVD. And Doctor/Rose shipper and GWTW icon? Mind if I friend you (you don't have to friend me back)?
Arabian: Damon&Katherine01arabian on May 11th, 2011 11:36 pm (UTC)
Aww, thank you so much.

Sure, absolutely friend me. I'll friend you back. :)
vanimy: D/R hug JEvanimy on May 12th, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC)
w00t! *friending you*
Kristypinkkisscandy on May 11th, 2011 09:53 pm (UTC)
Really like your VD posts and agree with a lot of what you were saying.

But being a follower of Joseph Morgan's Twitter and actually really liking his performance, I feel a little sad whenever people are disappointed by him. I think it's mostly because Elijah came in and was just so amazing and awesome that it was kind of overshadowed in comparsion.

And he can pull off an English accent for one simple reason; it's his real accent XD Sorry, that REALLY bothered me because it's his actual voice lol

I would like to say in response to another comment though that he isn't really like Book!Klaus at all and that might also have disappointed some people. They're both pretty evil and sadistic, but Book!Klaus is more "MWAHAHAHAHA -sets random things on fire, stumbles about manically (Stefan first thought he might have been drunk), quotes poetry, then rips your throat out" evil and this Klaus was a little more calm and subdued.

Book!Klaus I find scarier because he's just so insane (although the whole werepire race plan is god damn crazy) and he can shoot lightning. He also did something to a buck that completely freaked out Tyler....I have no idea what he did, he killed it, but apparently he did something before he killed it that scarred Tyler for life. His quote; "But you don't know what you did before he killed it! Oh god, that poor buck *sobs*" Book!Tyler is also a psychopath, so that's kinda even creepier that it scared him so bad.

(....Pardon me XD I will defend BOTH Originals to the death).

Poor Damon....he obviously lives, but still. Sadness :(
Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on May 11th, 2011 11:35 pm (UTC)
but being a follower of Joseph Morgan's Twitter and actually really liking his performance, I feel a little sad whenever people are disappointed by him.

Yeah, I follow him on Twitter too and really like him. I really tried to give him a chance, and I do think he's doing a great job acting-wise, it's just the charisma thing which he cant' control. And I don't agree with people who are disappointed. I'm not disappointed per se, I just think that the charisma factor is playing a part in why he's not overwhelming, as I think Klaus should be.

And he can pull off an English accent for one simple reason; it's his real accent XD Sorry, that REALLY bothered me because it's his actual voice lol

I didn't say that Joseph Morgan couldn't pull off an English accent, I said I don't know if JASON DOHRING -- the guy I think has enough charisma to compete with Somerhalder and Gillies - could pull of an English accent. I know that's Morgan's.

I haven't read the books, and likely won't ever so, I can't agree or disagree with your comments there. :)

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Kristypinkkisscandy on May 11th, 2011 11:49 pm (UTC)
Oh, I didn't completely understand.

....I should read a little better. ^^; Sorry.

They're very different and the show is better, but they were good guilty pleasure little trashy reads. Not masterpieces, but good for a quick read.

.....I do think the 4th book with Klaus in it though is absolutely awesome, though that could have been just his being there (but one thing they will definately improve on is his defeat being one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.

He kicks all of the people fighting's asses- Stefan, Damon, Bonnie, Meredith (only in the books......but a awesome character, also half-vampire....and involved with Alaric XD There's no book Jenna), Matt (he's actually a okay fighter in the books, I much prefer Book!Matt...oh, and Caroline is not a vampire and a total bitch and is being held captive) and then Elena comes back from the dead because Bonnie shouted out her name (yeah, Elena became a vampire then burned in the sun saving everyone from Katherine....who is also dead at this point) with an army of ghosts, the ghosts carry him away....not to the afterlife, so I don't know where and then he's just gone and out.

TV Klaus better not be carried off by an army of 100 witch souls or something or I'll facepalm.
nasha233 on May 13th, 2011 07:17 pm (UTC)
I don't think the problem is so much Joseph Morgan than the face that Ian and Daniel are just so much more charming and as you said lots of charisma. Sometimes you just have it and compare to these two guys, Joseph doesn't have it in buckets. Just like Paul who I think is quite charming but again comparatively is what puts them down a notch.
distant_autumn: Damon - shadowed by imaginary_livesdistant_autumn on May 11th, 2011 11:13 pm (UTC)
I love this post so much!

Loved what you said re: Damon and there REALLY not been any lines he won't cross. (And completely agree on other characters getting passes on ignoring the wishes of the people they love.)

He is simply not charismatic enough, especially in relation to both Ian Somerhalder, and especially the other newbie and Original, Daniel Gillies.

Yeah, he seems like a nice guy in RL and I don't think he's awful or anything, but I do think he's the weak link right now, and I think that's part of it. Right now Klaus is so full on evil with no shades of grey that he kind of needs to be an overwhelming presence and so far, he's not.

Agreed on Matt completely; his reaction seemed to bother a lot of people but I thought it made sense for him, and liked that someone finally had that reaction to all this supernatural stuff. Plus, ya know, he's not going anywhere so I'm somehow guessing it won't last ;)

I am disappointed that they never really seemed to find the right way to make her an important part of the show's fabric because Sara Canning really is excellent, but at least she went out with some strong episodes under her belt.

Yeah, I wish they'd given her more to do and I hope she finds another job quickly. I've really liked her work and think she's done a lot with the little she's been given. I found the Jenna/Elena scenes terribly sad.

Completely agree re: Stefan only now finally quesioning Elijah's trustworthiness, and the ridiculousness of not challenging Elena's decision.

Damon was right about Elijah. He couldn't be fully trusted, he had his own agenda, and so everything they went through, people dying, so much pain and exertion and what happened? Well, first of all, Elijah DIDN'T keep everyone safe -- Jenna was kidnapped, killed, turned and then absolutely killed, Stefan was staked, Caroline, Tyler and Matt were almost killed, Damon was were-bitten. Other than Bonnie, Jeremy and Alaric, did ANYONE on her "safe-list" make it out of this unscathed? Nope. And then at the end of the frickin' day, KLAUS -- now a werevamp! -- IS ALIVE!

I know! I can understand Elena wanting to protect those she loves, but damn was that a sucky, suicidal plan that was not ever going to work. I so very understood Damon's heavy drinking in 2.20.


I did like Caroline's questions/comments about her mom, because, again, it's the show *not* forgetting that there are other important relationships besides the romantic. We get big and small moments constantly about the families and friendships and I so very much love that. Such as Damon and Alaric's moment after Alaric was locked in the house.

Definitely agreed! It seemed especially noticable in the Caroline parts because I half expected the focus to be solely on the C/M/T love triangle, and instead they really emphasized the stuff about her mother.

Damon's "I'm sorry" to Jeremy about Jenna. It was a small moment, but one that spoke volumes about Damon's transformation. He cares enough about someone else -- with nothing that he gets out of it -- to offer genuine words of sympathy.

Yeah, I liked that little moment too. He has this whole little group of people he's gotten accidentally attached to now, and I love it so much. I also thought it made a neat little bookend to his scene with Jeremy in the S1 finale, where he tells him about Anna and apologises about Vicki.

What on earth does Klaus have planned for Stefan? Things that make you go hmmm ....

I keep vaguely wondering if all that half-werewolf spec that's floating around re: Damon might actually turn out to be true for Stefan instead, TBH.

Elena was practically dripping with disdain for Klaus when she forwent his hand. She was beyond hatred, and treated him like dirt and that pissed him off. I fucking loved that moment. It was a fantastic acting/directorial choice by Nina Dobrev and Paul M. Sommers.

I LOVED that moment, Nina was so damn awesome. I said it in my episode reaction post, but she just seemed so STRONG there, like the worst had happened and the fear was gone and she just seemed so powerful, like no matter what Klaus said he couldn't reach her anymore. LOVED it.
distant_autumn: DE - Not Touching by vienna-blooddistant_autumn on May 11th, 2011 11:17 pm (UTC)
Part 2 (oops!)
Wow, I didn't talk about Bonnie much here, but it wasn't because I wasn't happy with her character. In fact, I think that's why I didn't. I kinda expect Bonnie to be bad-ass now. I loved her character through most of season one, and early on in this season ("Plan B" to be exact), she completely regained my love and her speech to Jeremy about dying for a purpose just nailed her utter BAMF-ness, so I expect that from her.

♥! Wasn't she fabulous? I think there was a slightly shaky characterisation period for a couple of episodes this season, but by and large I just adore her, and never more so than here.

And, yet, earlier, Damon commented that Stefan was cleaning up his messes, like always. So not true, but fascinating when one takes into account how Damon clearly perceives himself, that this is how he sees their situations. And this brings us to the heart of the show for me.

Absolutely. I thought that one little line was a fascinating insight into Damon's head.

He's spent so much of this season fighting everyone and thing to save Elena. In the last few episodes, he did what he could to rescue Caroline, Tyler and Matt. He was willing to sacrifice himself to take Jenna's place, and has been willing to have everyone hate him if it means he can get the job done. [...]

And now he's dying. And he doesn't appear to give even the slightest shit about it.


Exactly, it's such a stark contrast. Oh, my little heart. Damon! I totally, totally agree with what you said about underneath it all, him having zero actual self-worth. I think the writers and Ian are doing such a fabulous job with his arc so far, I can't even tell you.

He has faith in Elena and Stefan, Alaric and Bonnie, and all of these 'heroes,' but he has zero faith in himself, that he can be better ... that he has that capability to be more. Oh, Damon.

This is so true, and such a great comment.

Instead, Stefan told Damon to take Elena away so that Stefan could see it through, and we witness Damon yet again do the archetypical hero-thing and carry the "damsel in distress" to safety. And then we saw it a third time. Really hammering the point home that Damon is/could be Elena's hero. I just found that very, very interesting that as the season ends, we see Damon, and not Stefan, positioned in that symbolic role as Elena's hero.

Yeah, I thought there were some VERY interesting writing choices going on there and with him being there for her waking up, etc. It really was a series of moments of the sort that are traditionally saved for the big romantic couple, and they went to D/E. It definitely feels like some forward motion in that direction, doesn't it? :)

Finally, there was the significant look shared between Damon and Elena at Jenna's funeral. Again, there was no one else in the shot, just Elena, and then Damon, despite the presence of the others there.

...And happens as the line from John's letter about always how he's always loved her and always will, vampire or not, is spoken.

However much Stefan loved Katherine, however much he loves Elena, however much he'll love Caroline (it will happen, damnit!), Damon will always be his #1. It is totally Damon >>> Everyone else in the entirety of ever for Stefan.

Totally agree with you, and I was equally moved by that scene. Just fabulous.

Except for his fingers. They were moving in this jittery dance of desperation, of helplessness, of an urgency to DO SOMETHING. Ah, it was so good.

Ooh, that's a really nice catch. Like it. I also loved how much he seemed like the younger brother in that scene; it's not always evident because of their personality types, but here it really came through, how he can't conceive of ever losing Damon and how his big brother is just magically invulnerable in Stefan's head. All of a sudden, he seemed really young. It was so, so well done.

And yeah, Damon striding off into the sun at the end. Oh, Damon. Oh, Stefan. Oh, my heart.
nasha233 on May 13th, 2011 12:03 pm (UTC)
I know I am a week late. Being overseas has wrecked havoc in my viewing. I still haven't watched the finale so I'll wait for your view later. I love how much we think alike because I agree with everything you wrote. From Jenna to Damon not liking witches to Delena and of course to the brothers. While I don't detest the idea of Caroline and Tyler, I do agree that Stefan and Caroline is end game for me. I think Caroline and tyler has to happen but as many relationships, it doesn't last unless it is end game like Steroline and Delena. So these two will happen.

I agree with you that I don't see what Elijah did was a betrayal. Yes it was smart to be cautious of him and not put all their hope on him after all they killed him twice. So Damon was smart to have another plan. In the end I do think Elijah intended to do whatever word he gave but Klaus, evil Klaus knew what button to push with Elijah after all they have been brothers for very long. So all that variables, it was wise to be cautious. So yes Damon is right.

I also had the same reaction like you when Damon claimed Stefan always cleaning up his mess. Actually most of what Stefan does is talked his way out of any situation or mess while Damon actually does the cleaning. Alas you are right, Damon has such low self worth, this is how he sees their relationship. And he really believes Stefan is the better brother hence everyone loves him more. Funnily I think once Damon learns he is worth it, he will be the one loved.

As for Stefan, in fact both brothers, their love for each other is pure. I always love my salvatore brothers too. Their relationship, their angst, love, hate is pure entertainment. I do agree that for Stefan, Damon is his no. 1. That is why he helped turned Damon because he wanted his brother with him forever. And when his brother resented him, he turned to binging people like drugs. As ruthless as Damon is as a vampire, I think human fed Stefan is far more lethal.

Like you said, when Elena was on a suicidal mission, it didn't push Stefan to fight for her, to find alternative, he passively stood there and accepted the decision. Yet Damon's predicament got him fighting and worked to find a cure. As we always said, stefan's love for Elena was always more for the relationship he has with her that he loves. His love for Damon is pure. The one person who truly loves Damon for who he is, is Stefan. If only Damon realized that to Stefan he us not second best, not even to Elena.

Looking forward to the finale.
nasha233 on May 13th, 2011 12:08 pm (UTC)
I do have a question, what I don't get with Elena's plan to sacrifice herself, didn't she realize that it needed another vampire and a werewolf so wouldn't that mean Stefan, Damon and Caroline could be sacrificed and of course Tyler. Damon validity in questioning everything make sense. After with Bonnie dead it is just Bonnie but for the sacrifice to happen more than Elena will die. So isn't that flawed. And has Damon not rescued them, they woud have died. I think Elena need to apologize to Damon instead.
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 12:58 pm (UTC)
In John's defense, ugh, I'm pretty sure his "How could you let this happen." wasn't directed at just Damon it was more to Stefan and Alaric and everyone around her, it's just Damon was the only one there so I can see why you would think it was specific.

That moment with Damon walking away to die alone, like a dog, is probably my second favorite just Damon moment, after his soliloquy to Alaric's grave in 4x2.
Arabian: Elena08arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:55 pm (UTC)
It's possible with John, I'll bear that in mind when I do my rewatch.

That is one of my favorite Damon moments for sure.