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10 July 2005 @ 09:16 pm
Latest VM Sides and My Thoughts/Speculation (Various Spoilers)  


First the sides for those who haven't read them. If you have just skip 'em to my thoughts.

Quote:
Veronica Voice-Over first:

"Normal." Jot it down. That's the watchword. Sounds good, doesn't it? Normal. Senior year begins tomorrow, and all appears hunky dory. Best friend? Check. Boyfriend? Check. Lilly's killer behind bars? Check.

-- moving along to some dialogue between guest character Kelvin (MoTW related, I'm sure) and Veronica:

Kelvin: You landed yourself an 09er boyfriend. As soon as you could, you slipped right back in with that crowd ....

Then later (this is the scene that's crossed out, not part of the audition): Prepare yourselves:

Duncan smiles. Then, the manager calls out to Veronica.

CUTE-AS-A-BUG MANAGER
Veronica, your boyfriend's here

ANGLE ON LOGAN standing by the hostess station. He takes a couple of steps towards Veronica, smiling, until he sees who she's talking to, then stops dead in his tracks. Veronica and Duncan share an uncomfortable look.

DUNCAN
Latte, when you get a minute.

VERONICA
Yeah, okay.

Veronica makes her way to Logan. Veronica wants to give him a peck on the lips, but Logan takes Veronica by the back of the neck and kisses her more familiarly than is probably neccessary in this location.

LOGAN
Hey babe.

ANGLE ON DUNCAN watching, his expression non-committal.

EXT. High School Cafeteria - Day

VERONICA MARS VOICEOVER

Logan and Duncan don't speak anymore. I guess that's what happens when your best friend starts dating your ex, or you learn that his father killed your sister.
First of all! Ahhh!!! I was right! I wrote in this post that I thought the season would begin with Logan and Veronica together. I know bumpy times are ahead, but since I'm fairly certain TD is the one leaving after 12 eps, I'm not worried for long-term LoVe this season.

Thank you, ROB!!

Now, I know that many are seeing doom and gloom in this because of normal TV standards and how it's all "too easy," but I don't see it that way at all.

When has Rob Thomas/Veronica Mars ever done what regular TV does. He doesn't use cliches, he turns convention brilliantly on his ear. Those non-spoiled last season were SHOCKED by the LoVe kiss even if they wanted it because "how TV works" is that such a pairing gets dragged out. Most (unspoiled) thought that if we got anything, it would be maybe, *maybe* a kiss in the final episode. Instead we got make-out sessions, schmoopy looks, wonderful happiness and giddiness before the shit hit the fan. Where Logan and Veronica were at the end of Season One is so beyond NOT "how TV works."

Besides, Teddy Dunn is so most likely the one going after twelve episodes -- and according to rumors, the character is being written off "for good." If Duncan is going bye-bye for good, if Rob Thomas LOVES writing for Logan and Veronica (per his email to a LV fan) then I think we need not fear that Logan won't be the one Veronica winds up with. I expect a rocky road (which Rob also mentioned in the email), but how can they NOT have a rocky road? And I expect to have some squicky (for me) moments between Duncan and Veronica, but how can there NOT be those moments. There is so much water under the bridge between Duncan and Veronica and between Logan and Veronica that the above two (rocky road/squicky moments) have to happen, but that doesn't mean that LoVe won't win out in the way.

For those who say that it just doesn't seem possible with all that happened at the end of last season, I disagree. Logan and Vernoica have been up and down and back and forth for two years now, they ARE crazy about one another, without family and Duncan, Logan probably truly has no one else emotionally, of course he's gonna connect even more with Veronica. Plus, there has been a whole summer where they've done some surface dealing. "Surface" being the key word. I could easily see Veronica and Logan both having chosen to push some of the heavier crap under the rug because it was all too much and they just wanted to be with each other.

Duncan and Veronica will get their closure, but Veronica and Logan needed to have some happiness (that wasn't secretive) so that all three knew that it WAS possible between LoVe. Without it, Duncan could have always used the normalcy that Logan and Veronica never had as a bargaining chip. Gone now.

But, but, but why would they deny us seeing Logan and Veronica reunite and go all schmoopily public? From a fluffy, shipper point of view, that's a tad disappointing, but I understand the call being made here. I mean, die-hard schmoopy, fluff-lovers would be in heaven with a summer of LoVe!, but others would be bored senseless. Furthermore, I do think we WILL see the moment that they DID get back together in flashback, we just won't see a summer of LoVe. And that's okay. I believe, as stated above, that they probably brushed a lot of the heavy crap under the carpet after an initial discussion because, well, see it's Veronica. And this is so a post waiting to happen, but to synopsize, Veronica thinks ... all the time. She's always thinking, to quote Wallace: When does that brain ever take a rest? It doesn't. Except with Logan. He makes her feel so glorious -- and you know he does -- that her heart and hormones just take over and her brain shuts down. With ATttD in the beginning and then end, as well as LitB, Veronica forced her brain to start working and turning and turning and wouldn't let the overwhelmingness of Logan affect her.

Now, however, we have them back together so we must assume (until we see the episode and know for sure either way) that some level of that situation has been resolved. So then, many argue, since it's cool with Logan, clearly they are gonna eventually put Veronica and Duncan back together. Well, aside from my argument above about Rob not doing standard TV, here's another idea. Wouldn't it be groovy if the relationship repaired to its original status to any degree was not the romantic one, but the friendship? Logan and Duncan. That? Would be cool.

After ATttD and the way that Duncan acted at the party (not his Incredible Donut Hulk routine, ie, attacking his car, but as he left), I figured that the friendship was thisclose to dead then, on Duncan's part at least. So I was a little surprised at his immediate defense of Logan when Veronica said that he killed Lilly. Well, clearly Duncan ain't hunky-dory over Logan despite that defense. So, I do wonder if the angle of this triangle is going to be Veronica/LOGAN/Duncan with the emphasis on Logan. I mean, in how the relationship in need of repair -- the one that is going to be given the emphasis of being messed up -- is indeed Duncan and Logan as opposed to Duncan and Veronica. And that would just be yet another brilliant stroke on Rob's part. I've always thought that Jason is with whom Teddy Dunn has the most chemistry and their interactions (think AEFC, MJS on the bleachers) the most fun watching Dunn onscreen, so if this is the angle they go, they might make Donut-Weiner a viable character after all. If they do actually explore his totally fucked up psyche to a degree and write it/direct it in such a way that disguises Dunn's shortcomings as an actor, it might succeed in actually making Duncan a compelling character for me. **Maybe.**

Alrighty, now let's break this baby down!

First off, we've got the fake-out:
It looks like they set the scene up to make you think it's Duncan who is her boyfriend at first. I KNEW they would do that. I expected non-named boyfriend reference and sure enough Veronica's references having a boyfriend in a voiceover, then Kelvin does.

Quote:
Duncan smiles. Then, the manager calls out to Veronica.

CUTE-AS-A-BUG MANAGER
Veronica, your boyfriend's here

ANGLE ON LOGAN standing by the hostess station.
Totally expected that fake-out. I KNEW they were gonna have a thing like that. Set it up so the boyfriend could be either and then fake us out before the reveal. Sneaky and brilliant. Love Rob!

Quote:
ANGLE ON LOGAN standing by the hostess station. He takes a couple of steps towards Veronica, smiling, until he sees who she's talking to, then stops dead in his tracks. Veronica and Duncan share an uncomfortable look. ... Veronica makes her way to Logan. Veronica wants to give him a peck on the lips, but Logan takes Veronica by the back of the neck and kisses her more familiarly than is probably neccessary in this location.

LOGAN
Hey babe.

ANGLE ON DUNCAN watching, his expression non-committal.
What I love about this section here is the direction. Veronica WANTS to give him a peck on the lips. Yeah, the significance is the full-on smooch (heeheehee) that Logan gives her, but Veronica knowing Duncan was standing right there, walked straight over to Logan and intended on kissing him casually, calmly right in front of Duncan. What was made clear is that Veronica is fine with being with Logan in front of Duncan. Yes, we had the "uncomfortable" look once Logan reacted to seeing Duncan there. However, I'm thinking that Logan's little caveman act that followed was not the first time he'd reacted as such to seeing Duncan anywhere near Veronica and that is where the nature of that came from. There was no discomfort indicated when she went to kiss him.

The second point: Logan and Veronica kiss, Logan says "Hey, babe" and THEN the shot cuts to Duncan. What does that tell us? That RT and co. KNOW that Logan and Veronica smoochy-face is what the viewers want to see. Otherwise, we would have them kiss, cut to Duncan, back to them kissing, ending it most likely, then Logan says his line, final cut to Duncan. Now, that may change once filmed, might not work in giving the edge they want to create, but as written -- they have the focus (not just Duncan's, but that of the audience) on Logan and Veronica.

As for characterization: Can I just say how happy I am to see Logan being such an asshole? I laughed out loud over the fact that Logan deepened the kiss and was all "Hey, babe!" (can't WAIT to hear Jason deliver that line) -- he's being such a territorial prick. I love it!!! I don't want Logan sugar-coated and 100% schmoopy, so I loved seeing him basically be an ass, LOL!

Quote:
VERONICA MARS VOICEOVER

Logan and Duncan don't speak anymore. I guess that's what happens when your best friend starts dating your ex, or you learn that his father killed your sister.
I'm wondering if the surface reason that Duncan is not speaking with Logan is "his father killed your sister," as opposed to "your best friend starts dating your ex" but boy does that surface reason make Donut look like a total shit! I figure (and maybe I'm giving Donut-Weiner too much credit) but he probably does realize that it's completely unfair to be pissed at Logan because he took up with "his" girl a year and a half after he dumped her callously without a word and has dated other girls since then and she's dated at least one other guy with whom he remained friends. So, in other words, the real reason is Veronica. But because of his sense of "morality" he knows that that would be wrong, so instead he'll hold onto the "justice" of casting stones on the son for the sins of the father. Because you know that's better. At least it certainly is in mommy and daddy's view, no doubt. We forget because Logan is so fucked up inside and out, that our good ole Donut-Weiner is a pretty fucked up individual himself. And unlike Logan, he's also got some screws loose and some MAJOR rage issues -- something that Logan does not have.

And now to Duncan's way of thinking, Logan is the only one who can play the role of the villain now. It's like a reverse of last season where Logan lashed out at someone unfairly because she was the easiest target. Ditto for Donut. In Logan's case, it was Veronica. Perhaps in Duncan's, it's Logan. Let's just hope that down the line, Duncan and Logan's relationship hasn't evolved into secret trysts in the girls' bathroom.

Sigh, bottom-line. I'm so giddy STILL two days after reading the sides. Woohoo!!
 
 
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Arabian: friskyarabian on July 11th, 2005 02:19 am (UTC)
Yes, more spoilers would be a GOOD thing, LOL! Thanks for the props, I'm proud of that, darn't! And I'm just so happy! Not only because of this but because someone finally told me that I actually have to friend people to you know get around on lj. I am so clueless about livejournal it's not funny.

I'm still processing. I have to let go of my expectations and keep myself open to new possibilities and ... and ...

Yes. I think that's the rule of thumb with Rob. I came up with my scenario based on how he twisted UPN's wants to what he felt worked best with the cast in story in season one, and how he constantly undermined the cliches and actually stayed true to the consistency of story and character. Following regular TV standards, Logan and Veronica would never have been together at the beginning of the season, but Rob Thomas/Veronica Mars = Not regular TV standards and don't we all love that so much!

LOVE your sig, btw!
STORMbox: v/m - deputy smiles - silent_scream19stormbox on July 11th, 2005 03:12 am (UTC)
That was a good read, you've really thought it all out. Hopefully they take the triangle that way, I think it would be more interesting to see Veronica/Logan/Duncan instead of the usual Logan/Veronica/Duncan. I'm really excited to see Jason deliver the "Hey Babe!" line as well, haha. I always loved him as an asshole ;).
Arabianarabian on July 11th, 2005 06:27 am (UTC)
That was a good read, you've really thought it all out.

That's one of the things that I loved about that particular side, it really did give us a wealth of information with which to let our minds run free. Fun!

Hopefully they take the triangle that way, I think it would be more interesting to see Veronica/Logan/Duncan instead of the usual Logan/Veronica/Duncan.

I just think that would be SO interesting and talk about turning a cliche on its ear!!

I'm really excited to see Jason deliver the "Hey Babe!" line as well, haha.

I'm thinking that may be a major rewind moment, LOL!

I always loved him as an asshole ;).

Sad, but true. Asshole Logan is just so much darn fun!
beatlegirl59 on July 11th, 2005 04:08 am (UTC)
Rob did promise that the season would start with who's at the door so maybe we'll get to see their make-up right away.

I agree that a break up may not be in the near future for Veronica and Logan, Veronica has had so many failed relationships I think we will finally have a chance to see her happy for awhile. It's clear they are crazy about each other and I think they are perfect together-they both reacted to Lilly's death in the exact same way, by getting tough and giving attitude even though they were crushed inside. Plus Jason's contracted for all 22 episodes of the season and they can't be on again off again all that time, it'll get old.

lorn86 on July 11th, 2005 04:36 am (UTC)
they can't be on again off again all that time, it'll get old.

thats a good point, it really would get old
Arabianarabian on July 11th, 2005 06:30 am (UTC)
Right, it would get old and it's so, so cliche and Rob doesn't do that.

I agree that a break up may not be in the near future for Veronica and Logan, Veronica has had so many failed relationships I think we will finally have a chance to see her happy for awhile.

That would be SO nice. I mean with the exception of most of M.A.D. (ep 21), we've never seen Veronica really happy. And why was she happy? Because of the peace and joy she found in life again when with Logan.

It's clear they are crazy about each other and I think they are perfect together-they both reacted to Lilly's death in the exact same way, by getting tough and giving attitude even though they were crushed inside.

YES!

Plus Jason's contracted for all 22 episodes of the season and they can't be on again off again all that time, it'll get old.

Yuppers.
lorn86 on July 11th, 2005 04:29 am (UTC)
your entire rant, if you will, was fantastic and i have to say i think the veronica/logan/duncan triangle is an intesesting prospect. and i just want to say good job, you really kept my attention throughout, and im easily distracted and seldom ever finish reading things that long, but i got all the way through on this one without losing consciousness...i mean interest :o)
Arabianarabian on July 11th, 2005 06:31 am (UTC)
Thank you. That's quite an accomplishment. I know that I do tend to go on, so I'm glad that it kept your interest.
_VoodooKitty__voodookitty_ on July 11th, 2005 06:20 am (UTC)
I kinda started to hope for Duncan and Veronica...But no matter who it is, I'm sure Rob will write the story so well (angst!) that I'll fall for LoVe :)

Great cover!! :)

Arabian: friskyarabian on July 11th, 2005 06:32 am (UTC)
The chemistry of Jason and Kristen (not to mention their fabulous acting and the wonderful writing for Logan and Veronica) just has me hooked thoroughly on LoVe!
_VoodooKitty__voodookitty_ on July 11th, 2005 08:16 am (UTC)
I know they have great chemistry, and Jason is a better actor than Teddy, but I keep thinking that maybe Teddy didn't get many opportunities to really act, and when I watch the reruns I fall for him :) and also, I'm used to the old pattern of true love gets separated for a long time but wins in the end...I guess that breaking the pattern is among the things that make VM so damn good! :)
språkspion: vmhappiness- singingrlfalena84 on July 11th, 2005 08:08 am (UTC)
OH, you'rant was great, well-written and very enlightning. You brought up some very good points and made logic speculation.

Anyway, I know RT won't let me down, no matter what route he decides to take.

Btw, I'm Falena from "LoVe is in the air". I added you to my F'list, hope you don't mind.
Arabianarabian on July 11th, 2005 08:10 am (UTC)
OH, you'rant was great, well-written and very enlightning. You brought up some very good points and made logic speculation.

Thank you.

Anyway, I know RT won't let me down, no matter what route he decides to take.

That's what I'm hoping.

Btw, I'm Falena from "LoVe is in the air". I added you to my F'list, hope you don't mind.

Howdy, no problem! I'm gonna add you to mine in turn! :)
(Anonymous) on July 11th, 2005 11:45 am (UTC)
Nope
Teddy Dunn will most likely not get written off. one source said that one character will be going from 22 to 16;Francis Capra is only going to be on for 12 shows. He went from 12 to 16.Duncan and Veronica 2gether is perfect.
Arabianarabian on July 11th, 2005 08:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Nope
Okay. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Simone: VM: LoVe on Bedthe_musical on July 11th, 2005 02:51 pm (UTC)
score i was afraid to hope that it was logan behind he door. because the last time we saw logan in tv land he was with weevil on a bridge very drunk and weevil thought he killed lilly. aka not a good combo.

squee. i was so afraid it was going to be duncan and i was going to have to pretend to care. blah.

by the by where did you get this information again?
lorn86 on July 11th, 2005 04:58 pm (UTC)
i was so afraid it was going to be duncan and i was going to have to pretend to care.

thats funny :o)
Arabianarabian on July 11th, 2005 08:09 pm (UTC)
It's from nowcasting.com -- you have to register, but it's free.
Ella-ella-eh-eh-ehpopaddict on July 12th, 2005 01:17 am (UTC)
This is my very first post and in it I want to express how much I enjoyed your analysis and appreciate the LoVe love.
Arabianarabian on July 14th, 2005 12:46 am (UTC)
Thank you. I'm glad you liked my analysis. Twas fun to put together.
evelynsgrave84evelynsgrave84 on July 12th, 2005 03:53 am (UTC)
"When has Rob Thomas/Veronica Mars ever done what regular TV does. He doesn't use cliches, he turns convention brilliantly on his ear."

EXACTLY!!! There lies the brilliance of Rob! I'm so glad that you mentioned this, cause this was the only thing that popped into my mind when I read the slides. Admitedly, I was initially one of the disappointed ones at how fast he brought LoVe together. I cringed for a bit at the prospect of setting the couple up for an apolcolyptic doom. But reading your well written and thought out speculation eased my mind. Good insights, by the way. Okay if I f'list you too?
Arabianarabian on July 14th, 2005 12:48 am (UTC)
EXACTLY!!! There lies the brilliance of Rob!

I KNOW! I'm still trying to figure out why so many people are basing their VM speculation on standard television. That's not how Rob Thomas operates and I LOVE it!

Admitedly, I was initially one of the disappointed ones at how fast he brought LoVe together. I cringed for a bit at the prospect of setting the couple up for an apolcolyptic doom. But reading your well written and thought out speculation eased my mind.

I'm glad. It's gonna be a rocky road, but I think a rewarding one and worth it in the end (and even throughout). Rob has said that he loves writing for Logan and Veronica, therefore I'm thinking we're going to continue to see THEM written for. So yay!

Good insights, by the way. Okay if I f'list you too?

Thank you and no problem, mind if i f'list you? I'm still not quite sure how to work this whole lj thingie.
evelynsgrave84evelynsgrave84 on July 14th, 2005 04:50 am (UTC)
Sure, not a prob. In honesty, I'm pretty new to livejournal too, and I haven't been that active lately. But I already f'list you, so hopefully, I'll get to chat to you more often. ^_^
Maloramalora on July 13th, 2005 04:57 am (UTC)
Whew! I predicted Duncan at the door, but I'm glad I'm wrong. I was doing that thing the team manager did in B&V. Bet on the team you don't want to win, and then at least you can be happy that you were right.

Anyway. LoVe! Whoo! When I hear that "hey Babe" line I'm going to melt into my couch cushions. I'm also intrigued by an emphasis on the Logan/Duncan friendship. I'd love to see some L/D flashbacks, maybe one that establishes how Duncan knew that Aaron beat Logan. (At this point I'm assuming he saw lots of unexplained bruises over the years, but I'd like to see a moment where the evidence can't be denied.) Duncan's guilt over knowing about that, and Logan's guilt over drugging Duncan at Shelly's would add an interesting layer to their antagonism.

Plus, I liked the inside jokes/secrets they had in Wrath of Con and would love to see more of that.

Oh, and I like jackass Logan, but I like schmoopy Logan too. Those two sides of his personality contrast nicely. He isn't just a jackass or just a puppy in love. It's fun to see what triggers the hardness and what triggers the tenderness.
Arabianarabian on July 14th, 2005 12:53 am (UTC)
Whew! I predicted Duncan at the door, but I'm glad I'm wrong. I was doing that thing the team manager did in B&V. Bet on the team you don't want to win, and then at least you can be happy that you were right.

Well, honestly we still don't know for sure who's at the door, so it could still be Duncan. I just really hope it isn't because I really, really don't want it to be.

I need it to be Logan at the door not because of anything to do with Logan, but because of Veronica. If she opened that door with that look on her face, those words for DUNCAN!?!? I'm gonna be one pissed off viewer majorly pissed off at the titular character. You put your boyfriend through absolute hell, you know that the reason you put him through hell didn't exist and even without what you did to him, his life would be next door to destroyed and you greet your EX like that? Yeah, I'd hate her for a bit. So. It better TOTALLY be Logan at the door.

Furthermore, I really do think that they NEED to see each other in the aftermath of this. They need to see the pain that the other has been through in order for them to fully appreciate (hopefully) the light at the end of the tunnel and to fully understand (to some degree) what the other went through. Frankly, Duncan and Veronica already had that moment. Logan and Veronica need one as well. It's only fair. And if we get a kiss or two in that moment, I can live with that.

Anyway. LoVe! Whoo! When I hear that "hey Babe" line I'm going to melt into my couch cushions.

You will most definitely not be alone.

I'm also intrigued by an emphasis on the Logan/Duncan friendship. I'd love to see some L/D flashbacks, maybe one that establishes how Duncan knew that Aaron beat Logan. (At this point I'm assuming he saw lots of unexplained bruises over the years, but I'd like to see a moment where the evidence can't be denied.) Duncan's guilt over knowing about that, and Logan's guilt over drugging Duncan at Shelly's would add an interesting layer to their antagonism.

Ooh, I agree -- I would REALLY love to see some more delving into that. I'm not Teddy Dunn (Duncan's) biggest fan, but I think he works best opposite Jason.

Plus, I liked the inside jokes/secrets they had in Wrath of Con and would love to see more of that.

Yeah, I found Duncan most enjoyable usually around Logan.

Oh, and I like jackass Logan, but I like schmoopy Logan too. Those two sides of his personality contrast nicely. He isn't just a jackass or just a puppy in love. It's fun to see what triggers the hardness and what triggers the tenderness.

Yes, exactly. That was one of the things I loved best about this little snippet -- it so clearly showed BOTH sides of Logan; it was great!