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14 April 2011 @ 10:36 pm
2.18 - 'The Last Dance' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Woohoo, new Vampire Diaries episode. YAY! Thursday evenings are wonderful, aren't they?

This is mostly going to be random thoughts as opposed to thinky thoughts time (sorry, o favorite Stefan icon of mine.) But since there is a wee bit of TTT, I'll get to that first.

- A good chunk of the reason why I so adored that final Damon/Stefan scene is because it plays into something that I've noticed being dropped in bits and pieces throughout this season. While I don't doubt for a second that Stefan loves Elena, the show seems to be telling us (between the lines) that his love is selfish, and more about his concerns, his desires as opposed to putting Elena first, while Damon appears to love Elena unselfishly, constantly putting her first.

Think back to "Bad Moon Rising," when Stefan told Caroline a vampire shouldn't be with a human because it's dangerous, no-good for the human and way too tempting for the vampire, and then explained that he while he should break up with Elena, he just can't. And then compare that to Damon in "Rose," who flat-out said that because he loves Elena, he can't be selfish with her. And now we have this situation -- this scene where Damon tells Stefan that he's too worried about collateral damage. It seems like it's more important to Stefan to save his relationship with Elena as is, as opposed to Elena herself. Whereas for Damon, it's more important that Elena live ("I'll always choose you.") even if she hates him in the process.

- I'm really liking the difference in how Liz is reacting to Caroline and the Salvatores being vampires this time around. It brings to mind Jeremy's confession that just because the memories are gone, you still feel those feelings. The first time, Liz was scared and freaked out in the beginning, but then she got to know/see Caroline (and Damon) as the people she cared about even after finding out they were vampires. And I can't help but think that such is part of what is driving her dilemma this time, whereas last time, she didn't really have one at all. We saw that very clearly in the Liz/Caroline scene at the top of the show because it truly had that same feel as did the awesome Caroline/Liz scene from "Kill or Be Killed," where Liz saw that even though Caroline was a vampire, she was still the daughter she loved.

- It was pretty obvious that Bonnie wasn't dead *dead,* so I was a bit disappointed in how they did that. I think it would have been stronger had Damon said to Bonnie "let's make Klaus think you're dead," and then we would have been wondering if it worked, or did she really die? Or how it was going to be pulled off, as opposed to the silly teases ("We need to talk" from Damon to Jeremy, so obvious) when she wasn't dead at all. With that said, it was a good plan. Damon does come up with some good plans. He's so right in what he told Stefan: If Elena lives through all of this it's going to be because of Damon doing what has to be done, even if she hates him.

- But she doesn't! YAY! I love, love, LOVE that Elena basically came to apologize to him (for the slap) even if she didn't actually say it, and thank him for doing what needs to be done. He clearly believed that she was still mad at him, hated him, etc., but that she understood where he was coming from was awesome. You had Stefan all huffy and puffy and angry on her behalf, while Elena totally got it and understood exactly why he did it and wasn't mad at him at all. And then didn't fight him when he flat-out told her the choice would always be her if it came down to her and someone else.

I loved that she didn't fight him because it shows, again, what a huge heart Elena gets it. When someone is motivated by love, she can pretty much forgive anything (see back in season one when she began to soften towards Damon because she realized everything he was doing was because he loved Katherine). Damon might not have told her he loved her (this time), but she can have absolutely no doubt about that he does -- if she even has for a while now -- at this point. Not after that final scene. Ooh, ooh, and I loved how she kept looking back at him. Sweet. What I wonder though is what was the point of him throwing the leather pants on the bed, and her pointedly looking at them and then him before she turned to leave. Was it supposed to hint at latent attraction coming to the fore? I dunno.

But upon a few more rewatches, I got to say that his "I will always choose you," had her reaction are just so GUH-worthy! Aaaaah!

And with that, I'm pretty much done with deep thoughts. Onto the randoms in no particular order ...

- Heh, I loved Bonnie's line about Elena owning the boarding house: "I wouldn't want to clean it."

- Starting with the return from the hiatus ("Know Thy Enemy"), Katerina Graham is now listed as Kat Graham in the credits. sarcasticcheese noticed that tonight, and I checked back episodes to see where it started.

- It's rare that we saw almost throw-away inhuman cruelty because it seems as if writers just don't go *there.* The show did tonight when Klaus had Katherine stabbing herself over and over again. Gave me shivers.

- Speaking of Klaus, or rather, erm "Alaric," not surprisingly, Matt Davis did a FANTASTIC job. So much fun seeing him play such a twisted, evil fucker in the sweet shell of my bb Alaric. So nice seeing Davis given some meaty stuff to do. As long as Alaric lives once Klaus is out of his body, damnit!

- Heh, one of he little Klaus moments I especially loved was "Alaric" dancing through the throng of students at the beginning of the dance. Hah! So NOT Alaric, but hysterical.

- Speaking of that throng of students--yes, you could see my nephew. In that first scene with Alaric dancing through the crowd, right as the girl turns to him, you see a guy in an orange jacket and shades dancing behind her. (You see him a few more times as well.) That's my nephew/godson. Awww!!

Here's a shot of him (from that scene). You can also see him pretty clearly dancing behind Bonnie and Damon during their dance.

     

- Another speaking of ... It didn't make sense in the preview that a Mystic Falls High student wouldn't know who Alaric Saltzman was, so I liked that in the actual scene it was clear that she'd been compelled to say exactly that (hot guy, LOL! So Klaus thinks that Alaric is hot?) to Elena.

- I loved pretty much every single Damon-at-the-dance moment. "Let's blend." Dancing with the two girls on either side of him (wouldn't be a decade dance if Damon wasn't inappropriately dancing with teenage girls) ... Such as Elena. I obviously would have liked more -- and grr, there was apparently a slow dance that Damon and Elena shared as well that was cut! :[ -- but I really did love what we got. The immediate attraction/tension when she flew into his arms, the cute way they were interacting, Damon grabbing her hands in that moment when recalling their victory, the flirtiness and the continued hints of Damon taking her breath away just a bit whenever they got close.

More specifically, what I really liked is that even amidst all of the crazy, Damon got her to smile and laugh and just relax and enjoy herself for a few moments. Something that Stefan wasn't able to do when they were dancing. But Damon was. :)

- Heh, I liked when Damon walked up to "Alaric" and was all, "I'm not impressed with his little game," and Klaus turned to look at him, all offended, LOL!

- As for the other dancing couples -- Yeah, Stefan and Caroline danced, but it was short and very business-like. Bah. Damon and Bonnie's had a nice tense vibe sizing up the situation. Matt and Caroline, uhm, yeah, don't really care. Probably my favorite couple dance (after Damon/Elena) was Jeremy and Bonnie. Of course, I pretty much loved Jeremy and Bonnie through this whole thing. I find them a wonderful pair, and I really like how they are writing them. And I LOVED that Jeremy spoke of the elephant in the room: I have crappy luck with girlfriends. Oh, and Bonnie's reaction, nice quick reaction shot there from Kat Graham. (Bah, I like Katerina better, it's cool!)

- My only issue with any of their scenes was the damn product placement. Look, I get that shows are having to do such placement in the shows themselves now, and I'm mostly okay with it, but if you must do it, please do it at the beginning of the episode, not the end when we're getting all of the emotional fall-out of the episode.

- So, I randomly remembered that I saw Daniel Gillies' name in the credts after the Damon/Stefan scene, so as soon as Damon said he'd choose Elena (and she didn't fight him on it -- see above!), I knew she was gonna hightail it to the basement and pull that dagger out.

- Speaking of -- Hhaha, next week "I believe the term you're looking for is O-M-F-G!" (the "F" via the extended promo) Damn, I love me some Elijah. This show has GOT to figure out a way to keep Gillies around forever!

- Hee! The return of Dana of "Not now, Dana!" fame.

- I get why she's not there, but I was bummed to have no Jenna. And, well, as much as I like her, it must be said: WORST. GUARDIAN. EVER. (Okay, after Lemony Snicket.)

- You know I thought it was pretty petty and bitchy of Elena to withhold Damon's entrance until he agreed to her terms. There's a time and a place, and that wasn't it. (Especially when she has to be an idiot to not realize, duh, he was totally lying.) However, I like stuff like this because it shows that, yes, Elena is only seventeen. She is mature and wise beyond her years, but she is still a teenager, and this was one of those moments where she was clearly a seventeen-year-old thinking that she was acting all mature and stuff. And she wasn't, she was being petty and stupid in that moment. But again, seventeen, and it showed, and I like when we get those moments.

- Shallow moment! All three girls (Nina Dobrev, Candice Accola and Kat(erina) Graham) looked awesomely hot in their outfits. Even if I wasn't the biggest fan of Nina's hair, Accola and Graham just looked fantastic from head to toe (and Nina looked fantastic from, erm, neck to toe, face to toe?).

- Okay, so I get the why of Elena not having her locket, but I would have liked to have gotten at least a line or two explaining how she had vervain on or in her.

- I LOVED that Elena called Alaric "Ric" in class, and then most of the other students looked at her, and she sheepishly went, "Uh, Mr. Saltzman." I've always wanted to see a scene like that acknowledging her different relationship with him, but I never thought we'd get one. But we did. Because -- miracle of miracles! -- they were in school!

- I was quite pissed that Damon casually suggested that Bonnie just kill Alaric to take out Klaus. Look, I know he's all team-Elena-lives!, but not even a smidgen of 'man, that would suck." What the hell, Damon? (Writers?!)

- So I've completely dropped my theory that Elena didn't put Damon on her save-list. I just can't buy that she did after how she acted with him at the dance and in his bedroom.

YES! ELENA AND DAMON WERE ALONE IN HIS BEDROOM! YAY!

Ahem.

Overall, won't make my top ten list ever, but it was another very good outing from my favoritest show EVER!

Fine, sarcasticcheese, I lied.
 
 
 
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Arabian: Elijah02arabian on April 15th, 2011 02:49 am (UTC)
I've already come up with a few ways that they can keep Elijah around, so the show has got to be working on it. After all, he was supposed to be gone when Elena stabbed him, but they came up with 'not really gone unless dagger stays in' just so they could keep him around longer. Keep thinking, show, figure out a way to keep him FOREVER!

Love your thoughts and theories!! =D

Thanks. :)
distant_lines: Bathroom Touchdistant_lines on April 15th, 2011 03:07 am (UTC)
I'm gonna admit something probably embarrassing, but during the Klaus/Bonnie showdown, I was totally crying, chanting "no, no, no, no, no!" I completely thought Ric was a goner, and I was crying before it even happened. Color me happiest girl on earth to know that Ric is still alive and kicking, with a Damon-esque vampire inhabiting his body. I believe that if you put Klaus and Elijah together into one person, that is Damon's idol.

I really wanted more Stefan and Caroline. Can we please get some semi-flirting from them soon?

Matt...go play in a swimming pool with an umbrella while it's storming. It breaks my heart to see Caroline get so happy, and do the dreamy sigh when she sees Matt and thinks that he's accepted her. Majorly unkind! Liz is breaking my heart though, too. You can just see that she's scared to act on anything, cause she's just watching, desperately trying to see if her daughter, her baby is still in there. You can just tell that she would never forgive herself if she acted without being 100% certain.

Now, Damon and Elena! Welcome back, triangle, it's been a while. Love them bringing back that Damon has the ability to get Elena to just chill, even for a few moments, because if she spends this entire time freaking out, she'll be insane when she comes out of it. I loved her understanding why Damon did what he did, and accepting it. Now is not the time to freak out about morals and honesty. Everybody's lives are on the line and tough decisions have to be made. I love Stefan, but he's too concerned with Elena being upset with him to be proactive about anything. Meanwhile, Damon is content to accept his place as most hated in the group, even by Elena, if it means that she stays alive, because placating her won't matter if she's dead.

Can it be next week?
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on April 15th, 2011 03:55 am (UTC)
Ah, see I saw shots of Alaric in an upcoming episode so I knew he didn't die. And I'd already decided that Bonnie was going to allow herself to die because Damon had given her blood (his "are you willing to do anything?") and she'd be a vampire, so I wasn't expecting a true death from anyone. Actually, I was a bit disappointed when it was just a spell, cuz the vampire thing WOULD have been shocking and cool!

I really wanted more Stefan and Caroline. Can we please get some semi-flirting from them soon?

This. Please.

Yeah, I really need Matt gone or at least away from Caroline because he does her character no favors. Whenever she's with him, she's back to being poor, pathetic Caroline from season one (and I say this having always loved Caroline).

That final scene with Damon and Elena just gets better and better with each rewatch. "I will always choose you." Oh, Damon. And, yes, the lightheartedness (something that Stefan couldn't give her) between Damon and Elena during the dance was wonderful too.

I love Stefan, but he's too concerned with Elena being upset with him to be proactive about anything. Meanwhile, Damon is content to accept his place as most hated in the group, even by Elena, if it means that she stays alive, because placating her won't matter if she's dead.

Yuppers!
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Arabian: Elena06arabian on April 15th, 2011 03:48 am (UTC)
Obviously, I agree re: Stefan. And I've mentioned elsewhere about his way of telling her only what he thinks he has to tell her because she knows a little. He always promises to tell her everything, but his definition of everything is quite lacking.

As for Bonnie, I actually do see a difference. Elena dying (as she planned, as part of the sacrifice) kills *at least* three other people (the witch, vampire and werewolf), not to mention the fact that the sun and moon curse will be broken, thus vamps can walk free and clear in the daylight which means a LOT more people will die. With Bonnie, only two people will die (presumably): Klaus and Bonnie. So there is a big difference there. Plus, again, Elena dying is her taking a passive role and not doing away with the big bad in any way, whereas, again, Bonnie would be taking out the big bad with her.
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Arabian: Elena04arabian on April 15th, 2011 04:06 am (UTC)
But, Elena's plan kills more people, potentially saves some of the people she loves, but it also opens the door for vampires and werewolves to roam the world unhindered. That's pretty bad. It's actually pretty selfish when you look at the big picture She's willing to kill herself if it saves the people she specifically loves, even if it opens the door for possibly millions more people to die because vampires (especially) are no longer held back.

But don't get me wrong. I don't fault Elena for doing anything, everything she can and not looking at the big picture, and I certainly did NOT like how she was treated by everyone -- like a child who had no say -- but Bonnie's sacrifice is a heroic one that saves all lives but her own. Elena's sacrifice gives the big bad what he wants and opens the door to human massacres down the road. So yeah, I just can't agree with you with regards to Bonnie being seen as a hero, and Elena not.

However again, I do not like how the gang treated Elena's attempt to do things compared to how they are treating Bonnie's. Both of their plans were/are unselfish and based solely on trying to do the best thing they can do in this awful situation, and Elena never got the credit for it, while Bonnie is.

Edited at 2011-04-15 04:06 am (UTC)
Sar: delenapaceisthetrick on April 15th, 2011 04:24 am (UTC)
"Heh, I liked when Damon walked up to "Alaric" and was all, "I'm not impressed with his little game," and Klaus turned to look at him, all offended, LOL!"

One of my favorite moments of the episode. Too funny.

I thought it was wonderful in the ending scene where Damon told Elena that he would always choose her, because it was like he was declaring his love for her, without actually saying it again. And yes, the looks between them were something else. I'm waiting for the GIFS to come out. I swear she checked out his ass & his bed. <3
Jude: tvd; elena throws pillow at damondanceonstardust on April 15th, 2011 05:47 am (UTC)
I must say, I will always love your overall thoughts or thinky thoughts time *insert your Stefan icon* because we both have the same mind set in this show. lol.

Thank God you said something about Liz. I was a little befuddled with her reaction at first. Matt is, of course not really okay with it but Liz, she really loves her daughter and wants the best for her. I'm such a mama's girl but it kind of made me tear up a bit NGL.

I'm so happy you saw Elena and mentioned that she has a fault at still being a 17 year old girl dealing with issues. My friend thought "oh that's just immature." I just said "Just remember being 17 and your choices." lol. She went "Ohhh okay." I think some people think Elena is in college or something because the school days barely make an appearance anymore. xD

Speaking of that throng of students -- yes, you could see my nephew. In that first scene with Alaric dancing through the crowd, right as the girl turns to him, you see a guy in an orange jacket and shades dancing behind her. (You see him a few more times as well.) That's m nephew/godson. Awww!!

AWWW!

It seems like it's more important to Stefan to save his relationship with Elena as is, as opposed to Elena herself. Whereas for Damon, it's more important that Elena live ("I'll always choose you.") even if she hates him in the process.

This is exactly why I ship them!! I'm always going to say it. lol. I knew Stefan was selfish from the start. "I have to know her." that is repeated in most of s1/2 intros is a big tip off. My mom always rolls her eyes at that part when we see re-runs. Hehe!

The Klaus-not-Alaric dance really made me laugh so hard. I need a gif file of it now. It's already up in Tumblr. I'm just going to use it when I'm in a dancey mood. lol.

Oh yeah. ELIJAH my future husband I MISS YOU SFM. I saw Daniel Gillies and Matt Davis tweets recently. When Daniel said he's no longer hanging out with Matt because of his choice of footwear in a bar. Dude. I love this cast.
nasha233 on April 15th, 2011 07:22 am (UTC)
Love how you think Jen, we do see thinks alike. So I post a very comment about what felt regarding this episode. Thank you.

Btw, did your nephew said anything about Nian?
nasha233 on April 15th, 2011 07:17 am (UTC)
Okay I watched, rewatched and watched again. I love this episode simple because one it moved along the stories that needed to be told and this was totally a Damon episode. Makes a girl's heart all sonwarm and fuzzy. To top it all off, Delena, oh my sweet Delena. They are meant to be. Come high come low, they will happen.

As you know, we both discussed Damon's love VS Stefan's love for Elena on FF and you know we see that eye to eye. I always felt Damon's love was so pure and unselfish, he rather Elena hates him to keep her safe. In the end, if she is dead, what is there to love. I really do believe if it meant he sacrifice himself, he'll do it.

Is is not to say Stefan doesn't love Elena. He does, but to him, having Elena, having that relationship with Elena is more important. He doesn't want to upset her. Losing her is more important to him.

Damon doesn't even have her, doesn't think she reprocicate his feelings but his love for her is enough for him to want her stay alive and be happy with stefan. I am more certain than ever that Delena is end game. They will happen. It wont be as easy journey but all great love story gets beaten, knocked down to triumph. Theirs will too. "I will always choose you" if Damon could wait and love a wrong woman for 150 years, what do you think he will do for the right one.

Okay on to the show. Matt Davis did a great job playing Klaus in Alaric's body. Oh thatvscene with Katherine and making her stab herself again and again, sadistic! Klaus is cruel, no wonder Kat kept asking him to kill her. What will happen to her now? Will she escape? And the Salvatore brothers seemed to miss them, well maybe just a smidge.

Okay the whole entering Salvatore house thing, I got a different take. To me Elena not allowing Damon enter is their flirting game. It is what they both do ti each other, one string get pull and the other pulls back. She is very much into the game and playing it along with him. As for her making him promise. Please she knows herself that Stefan has kept plenty from her while Damon speak the truth. Yea I agree that they both didn't always brief her on their plans but I don't consider that lying more like decision making without consulting her. Both Stefan and Damon do it. So why single himout, especially when he is in no way bound to keep the promise. It is that forging game she plays with Damon, she wants to make him squirm, beg. She loves it. She likes the attention he gives her.

The dance. We saw very little of Caroline and this whole matt and Liz thing is creeping me out. So they know everything, what is Liz planning now. Will she tell the rest of the council members which will put Damon in jeopardy. Matt now is just collateral damage.

I know the dance with Steroline was short but it was more endearing than Stelena. Wished we had more too. While Delena's dance obviously not as long as MMF dance but it was good. When he pulled her close to him, it seemed to almost jolt her as how close he was to her and her enjoying it. And yes he is good at it. When he held her hands close, so adorable. She is so falling for him but she just cant see it. The smile alone was a good indication.

As for the death. I like it. I honestly didn't expect it. I kept thinking it can't be because it seemed so unfinished. I too was like Elena, even though Bonnie isn't a favorite, I didn't want her to die. S when they felt her pulse, I kept thinking, there must be something Damon loaned because he was so cool as a cucumber. I am glad they were able to pull it off. Brilliant again by Damon. Btw, i didnt think Damon didnt mind killing Alaric. I felt when he said, "can we kill him", definitely towards Klaus. I didnt get tbe impression having Alaric as collateral damage was okay with Damon. So Does that mean jeremy and Bonnie will be MIA. How many excuses from school then?

I loved the conversation between Stefan and Damon on the stairs. It hit the nail on the head about everything we discussed. To me if we are seeing the characters right, the way the writers are portraying them. There is no doubt Delena is end game.

Has to CONT on another thread since I said too much.
nasha233 on April 15th, 2011 07:20 am (UTC)

And that scene in Damon's bedroom. I heart it s much, just that moment where she was
waiting for him whie waiting at the door. Then him thinking he is going to get another lecture. It turned out she understood, never even ask for explanation, and it took him aback. Then we see she professed that Bonnie will not die for her, which Damon agreed that he rather not see that BUT if there was ever a choice, "I will always choose you" such powerful words. He laid it all out there. He tells the truth, how hard it is. I really do feel Elena understanding of it, is almot like an acceptance. And for the first tme she did not reject, rebuff or try to reason with Damon. To me this is a leap of faith from her, opening herself up to him. To me this is the beginning of Elena's journey to realize her feelings for him. And that moment when she looked at him and the bed, it was almost as if ahe didn't want to leave. She wanted a reason to stay. The pause. Alas she didn't have any and walked away but looked back. I love it.

I don't know if Delena will happen by season end but I think progression will take place. And Elena may not be so blind after all to her feelings.

And Elijah...oh how I missed you. I always dubbed Damon and Elijah as team Awesome while they haven't really work together, I feel there is a mutual admiration. I really feel these two could be friends. It is going to cramp team BadAss bromance but Daniel Gilles with OMG, too good. Cant wait for next week, and klaus is here.

So glad I am already on team Delena, to me this is the episode that I would have switched.

Sorryfor the really long post.
crowandfogcrowandfog on April 15th, 2011 07:52 am (UTC)
ETA: Here's a shot of him (from that scene). You can also see him pretty clear dancing behind Bonnie and Damon during their dance.

Oh my goodness! He was like RIGHT BY THE ACTION! That is so cool!

My only issue with any of their scenes was the damn product placement. Look, I get that shows are having to do such placement in the shows themselves now, and I'm mostly okay with it, but if you must do it, please do it at the beginning of the episode, not the end when we're getting all of the emotional fall-out of the episode.

They chose the absolute worst part of the show for a product placement. It was appalling.

And, well, as much as I like her, it must be said: WORST. GUARDIAN. EVER. (Okay, after Lemony Snicket.)

HAHAHAHAHA!

You know I thought it was pretty petty and bitchy of Elena to withhold Damon's entrance until he agreed to her terms. There's a time and a place, and that wasn't it. (Especially when she has to be an idiot to not realize, duh, he was totally lying.) However, I like stuff like this because it shows that, yes, Elena is only seventeen. She is mature and wise beyond her years, but she is still a teenager, and this was one of those moments where she was clearly a seventeen-year-old thinking that she was acting all mature and stuff. And she wasn't, she was being petty and stupid in that moment. But again, seventeen, and it showed, and I like when we get those moments.

YES! A thousand times YES! It was very immature for her to manipulate him into making that promise. I commented on junkyatbest's post that it might be why Elena was so quick to forgive Damon, because she recognized that, given the situation they are in, they are going to have to do hard, sometimes secretive, things--evidenced by her going immediately after making things right with Damon to un-kill Elijah. It's really interesting to me that Stefan is the one who stayed offended when the promise wasn't made to him in the first place.

I was quite pissed that Damon casually suggested that Bonnie just kill Alaric to take out Klaus. Look, I know he's all team-Elena-lives!, but not even a smidgen of 'man, that would suck." What the hell, Damon? (Writers?!)

My thoughts there is that no one knows if Alaric is still in there. I mean, they have no idea how Klaus got in Alaric's body. It could be that he's already dead. (Not that I think he is, though I did think so when he was in that chair last week.) And if Alaric was alive when Klaus entered him, it still doesn't mean that he'd be alive when Klaus comes out. This isn't ghost-witch possession; this is still-undead vampire possession--which shouldn't even be possible. Who knows what the rules are? So I kinda thought that they needed to go ahead and operate as if Alaric was already dead.

YES! ELENA AND DAMON WERE ALONE IN HIS BEDROOM! YAY!

YAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

Edited at 2011-04-15 08:03 am (UTC)
Vickie: Ian - Shocked w/Paulsarcasticcheese on April 15th, 2011 11:55 am (UTC)
Color me shocked. ;)
Arabian: Penny - 05 OMGarabian on April 16th, 2011 11:17 am (UTC)
LOL! Appropriate icon is appropriate. :)
eolivet on April 16th, 2011 02:57 am (UTC)
I'm really liking the difference in how Liz is reacting to Caroline and the Salvatores being vampires this time around

I was too busy going "WHAT?! She told them?!" My sister and I were discussing this just a few days ago, and I thought it was very clear that Caroline only told Matt about her being a vampire (because that's all she told Tyler at first). That we were deprived of the moment Liz found out about Damon and Stefan in just a throwaway line was the kind of sloppy writing I don't expect from this show. That's a moment, yo -- that's drama. I realize it would've been a lot to include it in this ep, but still...I feel cheated!! :/

But yeah...great, great ep -- I loved Alaric-as-Klaus, too -- hello, Matt Davis' personality - nice to see you again. ;p

and grr, there was apparently a slow dance that Damon and Elena shared as well that was cut! :[

Of course there was. Grrrrrr. I knew that promo pic wasn't going to be what it looked like (even though I think it's sort of exactly what it looked like). From now on, I'm just going to pay no attention to the things the promos say...they're always lying!! :p

Next week's looks epic. :D
Arabian: Damon&Liz01arabian on April 16th, 2011 10:11 am (UTC)
I was too busy going "WHAT?! She told them?!" My sister and I were discussing this just a few days ago, and I thought it was very clear that Caroline only told Matt about her being a vampire (because that's all she told Tyler at first). That we were deprived of the moment Liz found out about Damon and Stefan in just a throwaway line was the kind of sloppy writing I don't expect from this show. That's a moment, yo -- that's drama. I realize it would've been a lot to include it in this ep, but still...I feel cheated!! :/

I really don't think you should. We already saw Liz's initial, hurt reaction to finding out about both Damon and Caroline in "Kill or Be Killed." When she saw Damon react to the vervain lemonade, the look on her face was the non-vampires-are-evil-I must-harden-my-heart-and-kill-them-all! Same with Caroline. Everything we saw after that initial reaction is what it is different. So essentially had the show taken the time in the last episode (when Matt told her) to show us her reaction to finding out about Damon and Caroline, it would have been the same thing. The different thing -- and what we are seeing -- is how this time she's not rushing into KILL!THE!VAMPIRES! mode.
gidget_84gidget_84 on April 16th, 2011 07:36 am (UTC)
Agree with everything you said, as always!

Only one question, what was it that Elena said when she and Damon were dancing? Specifically when he twirls her back into him, I couldn't quite understand what she said?
Arabian: Katherine02arabian on April 16th, 2011 11:15 am (UTC)
Elena said: "You're good at this." :)
lacrimadraconis: TVD Damon Elena Alariclacrimadraconis on April 16th, 2011 07:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, what you said :D

I'm so happy they finally put that off-the-charts-chemistry between Ian and Nina to good use once again. Their dance was amazing, if too short.

And I agree that it must have been a writers' mistake because I can't see Damon randomly suggesting to kill Alaric. Like ever. They are friends and Alaric matters to him. I mean, Damon would sacrifice Alaric if it was the only way to save Elena, but not like that.
Arabian: DE & Alaric01arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:42 pm (UTC)
Going way back, and you may not even watch the show, but I agree. :)
Heather-Ann: Body languagelinsell_farm on April 17th, 2011 01:49 pm (UTC)
the show seems to be telling us (between the lines) that his love is selfish, and more about his concerns, his desires as opposed to putting Elena first, while Damon appears to love Elena unselfishly, constantly putting her first.

ITA (and mentioned it in my post). It was great to see the differences played out in a deliberate fashion on-screen.

It was pretty obvious that Bonnie wasn't dead *dead,*

I had been avoiding the spoilers, so didn't have a notion that there was a character "death" in this episode, but I didn't believe at all that she was truly dead. The tip-offs for me were Damon getting rid of Elena and asking Bonnie if she was still willing to do whatever it takes - that was just too obvious and direct for Bonnie to actually be gone from the show.

... that she understood where he was coming from was awesome.

Exactly!!! It was wonderful to watch!

And then didn't fight him when he flat-out told her the choice would always be her if it came down to her and someone else.

I felt this was a significant step for her. It's awesome to see them taking positive steps in their relationship instead of the messed-up negative stuff we've been getting.

Gave me shivers.

Me, too. It sure reinforced Klaus' sadistic nature but I felt they were pushing the borders of the viewers comfort zones a little. I certainly noticed how much more blood was on Katherine's leg when Klaus returns. Not that blood is a big thing, it was more the idea of how she got it was a new level of creepy.

My only issue with any of their scenes was the damn product placement

ITA. I get that this is a part of the business, but doesn't mean I enjoy it.

Speaking of -- Hhaha, next week "I believe the term you're looking for is O-M-F-G!" (the "F" via the extended promo) Damn, I love me some Elijah. This show has GOT to figure out a way to keep Gillies around forever!

ABSOLUTELY!! Elijah is such a keeper - please, show ...

You know I thought it was pretty petty and bitchy of Elena to withhold Damon's entrance until he agreed to her terms.

At first I thought it was cute because it allowed for DE interaction (that I've been missing), but on re-watches, I wondered why bother? It was clear that Damon wasn't being truthful. Like you said, she is 17. We get used to her being more mature the majority of the time, so it's fine for the show to remind us occassionally that she really is a teenager.

I was quite pissed that Damon casually suggested that Bonnie just kill Alaric to take out Klaus. Look, I know he's all team-Elena-lives!, but not even a smidgen of 'man, that would suck." What the hell, Damon? (Writers?!)

OMG, THIS. I can't believe that I missed this reference. I chalk it up to the writers, as Damon's character now would NOT suggest that so lightly.

YES! ELENA AND DAMON WERE ALONE IN HIS BEDROOM! YAY!

SQUEE!
Arabian: Damon & Elena11arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:46 pm (UTC)
Way after the fact, and you may not even have finished watching the show, but I'm catching up on responses....

I had been avoiding the spoilers, so didn't have a notion that there was a character "death" in this episode, but I didn't believe at all that she was truly dead. The tip-offs for me were Damon getting rid of Elena and asking Bonnie if she was still willing to do whatever it takes - that was just too obvious and direct for Bonnie to actually be gone from the show.

I started going spoiler-free in season 4 (made the show so much more enjoyuable) and I didn't either. Your tip-offs were mine as well.

Me, too. It sure reinforced Klaus' sadistic nature but I felt they were pushing the borders of the viewers comfort zones a little. I certainly noticed how much more blood was on Katherine's leg when Klaus returns. Not that blood is a big thing, it was more the idea of how she got it was a new level of creepy.

That was such a powerfully creepy scene.

ABSOLUTELY!! Elijah is such a keeper - please, show ...

They did mostly... alas, his character has been so massacred on The Originals. *sigh*

"You know I thought it was pretty petty and bitchy of Elena to withhold Damon's entrance until he agreed to her terms."

At first I thought it was cute because it allowed for DE interaction (that I've been missing), but on re-watches, I wondered why bother? It was clear that Damon wasn't being truthful. Like you said, she is 17. We get used to her being more mature the majority of the time, so it's fine for the show to remind us occassionally that she really is a teenager.


Yup, very true.

"I was quite pissed that Damon casually suggested that Bonnie just kill Alaric to take out Klaus. Look, I know he's all team-Elena-lives!, but not even a smidgen of 'man, that would suck." What the hell, Damon? (Writers?!)"

OMG, THIS. I can't believe that I missed this reference. I chalk it up to the writers, as Damon's character now would NOT suggest that so lightly.


RIGHT?!
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 07:10 am (UTC)
See I've always read that scene where Elena doesn't let Damon in as flirty not petty and bitchy.

Damon and ELena's dance here is probably my second favorite after Miss Mystic Falls.
Arabian: Damon & Elena11arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:47 pm (UTC)
Eh, I just didn't see it that way, but she is only 17 and I don't mind when we get to see that side of Elena.

It was a fun dance. :)