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03 February 2011 @ 11:29 pm
2.13 - 'Daddy Issues' (The Vampire Diaries)  
New episode of The Vampire Diaries, yay. Happy, happy, joy, joy!

Okay, the short version of tonight's review of The Vampire Diaries is as follows:

SQUEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem. Now the long version. First of all, I'm wondering with all of the filming delays they had, if "The Descent" was supposed to be the mid-season finale. Because as opposed to the one Rose cliffhanger (which not many cared that much about), "The Descent" had John showing up, Tyler finding out about other vampires/Mason's death, and, of course, Damon's return to the dark side. And then this episode played out so much more like the return from hiatus episodes play which is boom!boom!boom! keep-'em-coming. I dunno, but it makes a lot of sense in my opinion.

Anyhoo, about tonight's episode. Lordy, I don't even know where to start!

Okay, let’s start with the most important thing. "Daddy Issues" set a precedent that should be followed from here on out. Every episode should begin and end with a naked Ian Somerhalder. Yes, this is simply a must. Uh huh. ;) They did make one mistake, though. The stupid credits ran over naked Damon in the shower. Not cool. For that? The credits should have waited until he was dressed or it had moved onto another scene. Although, I am grateful for the naked Damon, and the Damon not fully having his towel wrapped around his naked body when he walked out, and the low position of said towel. Grateful and pleased.

Hee! Okay, seriously (no, wait, I was serious, that would be totally awesome to begin/end episodes with naked Ian!), the bounty of such unexpected Damon/Elena stuff was fantastic! And not just bounty, but some very, very interesting undercurrents that I can't help but believe promise good things for us shippers to come. I had posted a snippet from a Nina Dobrev interview where she essentially said that Elena wouldn't care about Damon and Andie Starr!Action News!, but either she was lying or had completely forgotten this scene, LOL! Elena was so very much aware of the fact that another female was hitting on Damon. I'm not saying that she was jealous, because (a) there was really nothing to be jealous of there, and (b) it is too soon. However, she was aware and she didn't look particularly pleased. And then when Damon came over and said he was swearing off women for a while which was good for women everywhere, he just looked at her for a moment too long, their gazes locked and it was just one of a few charged moments of awareness that we got in this episode, followed swiftly by a millisecond of, well, not quite guilt, but not that too removed from that emotion on Elena's part as she quickly looked away.

And that was the third of four pretty durn awesome scenes we had with them tonight! Including the first two which had such fun, yet (yup!) charged undertones. Leading into the last which was A-W-E-S-O-M-E! Seriously awesome. Her hand on his arm, their eyes locked, him telling her to stop. And she reacts by dropping her hand, and then him telling her to stop expecting him to do the right thing because she is the one asking. Gah! Then she goes ahead and does it anyway and you so know, you just sooooo know that the more she asks him, the harder it becomes for him to not do it. And direct, specific requests? Heck, I don't think he can even begin to resist those. And then Uncle-Daddy John bursts in in all protective mode with "what's going on here?" And, woohoo!, we got our most charged Elena/dropping eyes moment as she said "nothing" and John even called her out on it that it didn't look like nothing. Uh huh. Tension so thick between those two you could cut it with a knife. Helped considerably by the fact that Damon took forever to take his eyes off of Elena; it's like he physically could not for a few seconds there. Ooh! so hot.

Oh, and when talking to John later, she tells him that she still hasn't forgiven him for what he did to Stefan *and Damon.* Woo to the hoo! Oh, yeah, baby!

Speaking of forgiveness, yeah, clearly Elena has pretty much completely forgiven Damon. All touchy-feely, all laying the smackdown on others (okay, other, ie. John) for hurting Damon, believing the better man is there inside of Damon. Aww, just warms the cockles of my shipper-loving heart. &hearts

Now, that final scene with Damon and Andie. Wow, that played out so much differently than I was expecting. It started out sexy with the kissing and the bubbles and all that, but even the tone of dialogue was so lightweight and casual. Then came Damon's confessional. I admit when I heard that Damon was going to be using Andie as sort of a therapist for discussion of his feelings, etc., I told myself to expect it would be about the bigger picture with only a slight possibility of an Elena reference, and I was fine with that. But having so much of it boil down to Elena, having Damon flat-out say, you're a distraction (and Andie being like 'yeah, cool, I'll be your booty call, you're hot!' was amusing*) just made my shipper heart do the happy dance.

* Yeah, totally the actress. When Rose pretty much offered up the same arrangement (with the main difference -- okay, other than being a vampire -- being that she knew who Damon was in love with), it just came across as, I dunno, kinda, yeah, okay, and why? Just kinda needy, I guess. But with Andie, it came across as cool and casual. I thought I remembered liking this actress (Dawn Olivieri) from her brief role on True Blood, and I was right because I certainly liked her here. She hit so many great notes in this scene, all varied and right on target. The fun, casual flirtiness in the beginning, followed by the wry acceptance of the "good" ones being taken (hah!), and then when Damon casually mentioned that he killed people, man, she was spot on. There was this flash on her face of clearly waiting for the joke, and then when it didn't come, the fear and near immobilization before she finally began backing away ... and then he compelled her. And she just kept on going, back to casual, with just a slight dazedness to her tone. But she was thinking, not some mindless automaton as she offered up the idea that this is the man that Damon is now, because love changes people.

Yeah, I really liked the actress.

Going back to my original statement about how different I expected the scene to play out, I thought it would be sexy, a little funny probably with Damon confessing or heartbreaking along the lines of the final scene in last week's episode, but nope. It was flat-out creepy! When Damon said he liked to kill people, it was in his nature, who he was, it was just creepy as he's sitting there in a bubble bath, drinking wine. Finally, shutting her up when she made a statement that he didn't like (rather reminded me of him telling Caroline to stop talking when she commented that Stefan and Elena were so cute together in "Family Ties"), going for the distraction ... and then the bite. Seeing all of that gushing blood down her back, yeah, it was definitely supposed to be creepy. Job well done, show. :shivers:

One thing I did find very interesting was how Damon just blew off the idea of the other guy being the problem. And Damon clearly wasn't putting on a show or deflecting here, that much was evident by all he said. (Remember, other than the compulsion moment where he had to say it once in "Rose," he has never admitted aloud to anyone that he's in love with Elena, but he did so here with no qualm because he'd clearly made the decision to either (a) compel her or (b) kill her). So, if Damon was being completely honest, then it's quite interesting that he doesn't consider Stefan a reason at all as to why he can't be with Elena. And, honestly, judging at how quickly Elena forgave him, and all of those charged moments between them, I can't really say I blame him. He's never actually tried to woo/seduce/win her over, etc., and it's obvious based on enough statements from him and others, that he's had plenty of experience with women and he knows just how irresistible he can be. (And, come on, he looks *just* like Ian Somerhalder. Definitely a plus there.)

I did like that we're continuing to get such an awesome exploration of Damon's existential crisis. His constant reminders to everyone (Stefan, Elena, John) that he's a "good guy" now. Oh, Damon, you're so fucked up right now. Sooo fucked up.

What's also fucked up? How so completely in the dark poor Jenna is. When she told Alaric that she couldn't see how anyone could keep a secret like that (Uncle John is Daddy John), I just shook my head. Oh, Jenna, you have no idea. And while we may have not had much of him (sniff, sniff), Matt Davis really delivered with his reaction shots to her in that scene. You could feel his pain for keeping her so in the dark. She really has no clue.

Just like Matty-boy. Oh, such a cliche of Caroline telling him she was hanging with the one person who was in his eyeline. Oh, Caroline. Oh, Matt. I'm still mad at him for how he treated Caroline post-accident, but I can't help but feel for him because (like Jenna), he just has absolutely no clue how fucked up this whole thing is.

And fucked up, it is! Man, oh, man, that werewolf/vampire showdown was AWESOME! SO FRICKING AWESOME! Best part, hands down one of THE coolest moments on the show so far was when random werewolf comes flying off the roof, and Damon rips his heart out mid-flight. Werewolf comes crashing down, Damon stands there with bloody heart in hand. So disgustingly bad-ass! I LOVED IT! Stefan got some good knocks in as well, I called out a few 'go, Stefan!'s. Oh, yes, I did! The whole thing was just splendidly done. And a couple of random funnies (courtesy of Damon): who killed Mason? Damon speaks up right away: "Uh, that'd be me," pointing to himself. Hee. And then in a 'we got this' undertone to Stefan, "we can take 'em." Hah!

I almost didn't even have time to lament poor Caroline's torture because so much was happening, but lament I did. Several 'poor Caroline!'s escaped me too. Shot in the head, in the chest, toothpicks shot into her neck, vervain sprayed at her. Oh, Caroline! And boo to you, Tyler! I don't know, I'm really beginning to think that at the end of the day, Tyler's gonna be a bad guy. This is Caroline, a girl he's known his ENTIRE LIFE!, a girl who he just found out risked her life to comfort him through the change, a girl who's been there for him at a time when he desperately, desperately needed it and he just stands there? Doesn't fight? Finds her in LOCKED IN A FRIGGIN' CAGE! and waited a few seconds too many (in my opinion) before letting her out? Yeah, that was a bit much. And I completely understand Caroline's rage, but I couldn't help but think that it was not the bestest move ever. Because, of course, it sent him flying right back into the arms of his werewolf brethren. Uh huh.

Speaking of the werewolves. I actually really like what they're doing with Jules, and I do think that Michaela McManus is doing a good job because I honestly think that we are supposed to want that bitch to die in a fire. Yeah. Who should also die in a fire is Brady, but, but, but, he's so hot, it can wait a bit, right?

Back to Caroline, I loved her after-reaction not just to Tyler when he showed up, but how she handled herself with talking to Stefan. Some really lovely dialogue, and subtle acting from Candice Accola there. And, of course, I also so loved all the stuff with Stefan and Caroline we got -- it seems so long since we've had stuff with them! How he was all in uber-protective mode over her when he found out Jules had her, something we've ever only seen with regards to Damon and Elena. But now Caroline is included. Awww! And walking her home, their scene at the door, "you don't have to pretend with me," Aww! My shipper heart just went pitter-pat. I'm sorry, I just don't think that Accola and Michael Trevino have even a tenth of the chemistry that she and Paul Wesley do. They are just uberly delightful together, so good, they're sparkly and adorable and make me smile.

And on a totally shallow note, oh my God, Paul Wesley looked SO GOOD in this episode. Soo good! And on a non-shallow note, so the whole theory that Stefan's assy ways last week was the human-blood drinking come to the fore in small ways was pretty much disproven in this episode. He's totally back to being Saint Stefan. Ah well. Twas a good theory.

Finally (in the non-random thoughts section), whoah, John and Katherine? Uhm, didn't she cut off his fingers? Sure seems like he's forgiven her handily (haha, I amuse myself). Well, considering how easily Elena has forgiven Damon for snapping Jeremy's neck, I'd say like father, like daughter? Seriously, I was not expecting John to show up, and for a second, I thought they might kiss, which was followed by 'Ew! Gross! She looks like his daughter.' And then I thought, wow, that gives a whole new meaning to the title, "Daddy Issues." But they didn't go there.

At least not yet.

Still, very interesting how Katherine, Isobel and John do all seem to be working together. And I like that it's bringing back that bit of information we got in "Isobel," when she told Damon she was sent by Katherine. It also means that just because John didn't know that Pearl was Katherine's best friend, doesn't mean he didn't really know Katherine, just that Katherine didn't tell him about Pearl -- which isn't really a surprise. And I did really like how once again we see that Damon and Elena are on the same page in not trusting John at all, while Stefan is more believing of it ... and it looks like Damon and Elena are right. But, of course, with this show, you never know.

Phew! Okay, random thoughts ...

- You know that an episode is COMPLETELY awesome when there are only two things you don't like, and they're both utterly nit-picky or small things. The first? Damon's in the shower, all hot and naked and wet and naked and wet and, sorry, where was I? Right. Damon. Shower. Naked. Wet. Ahem. Five seconds later, he walks into his bedroom and, lo and behold, his hair is dry. Come on. Or is that some new vampire benefit? Their hair dries in a matter of seconds! Maybe he shook his head really, really, vampire-fast in those few seconds before grabbing a towel? Yeah, that's the ticket!

- Ah, so Damon (and likely Caroline) is drinking the vervain too. Nice, I really like that, and I liked how they casually, believably got that information out there as a follow-up to Stefan's vervain-diet reveal last week.

- Hah! Damon's, "watch out, Stefan, I might get a hero hairdo of my own and steal your thunder," cracked me up so much! "Hero hairdo." HEE!

- They only had two scenes and didn't even speak in one of them, but Jeremy and Bonnie were adorable!

- Katherine's looking not dessicated at all, so I've decided that she heard someone walking by the tomb above ground, screamed for help, and some random innocent came down. Katherine drank some blood, and compelled said person to keep coming back for more on a regular basis.

- The alternate title for this episode? "Everybody Hates John."

- That was such a wonderful scene between John and Elena with the giving of the charm bracelet (although now I'm wondering if there's some goobley-gook magic connected to it) and her real parents, but I was slightly pulled out of it for a very silly reason, LOL! There's been much talk of Ian Somerhalder and his gift for the perfect, single tear threatening Jensen Ackles' holding of that title. Well, towards the end of the scene, a perfect, single tear ran down one of Elena's cheek and I couldn't help but wonder if Nina Dobrev was going for the female title? LMAO!

- Speaking of tears. Grr, Stefan/Elena. I was thisclose to tearing up when Elena and Bonnie showed up at Caroline (at Stefan's behest because he knows what Caroline needs best, awww!) and they talked about doing a slumber party and they all hugged and it was awesome and great. And then stupid Elena had to go and look at Stefan and they did the whole 'I love you' thing and it was just NOT the right moment, show! This was about the girls! Their friendship. Their love! Stupid Stefan/Elena. Although, I will say I do get why the Stefan/Elena base are getting some good stuff in the next episode considering that this episode and the one before had barely any Stefan/Elena interaction, and was chockful of meaningful Damon/Elena stuffies. See? I can be fair, LOL!

- Nina SO needs to have her hair up on the show more often because Elena was just looking so gorgeous in this episode, and it seemed moreso than usual just because that hairstyle was so flattering.

- Wow, Damon has really made good in-roads with Jenna if she's hooking him up with her friends, and she even gave him Andie's number later.

ETA: Or, erm, this was just a small part of it. It was mostly to keep him from Elena probably, LOL! Pointed out by badboy_fangirl and butterfly, I caught the onscreen proof of that pretty much upon rewatch.

- Ooh, and speaking of, they sure did change the introduction of this character. The sides had Damon walking in the middle of a news report she was doing, and messing up her take, then her flirting with him even though he had just done so. I liked how this was done much better, if only for the fact that it showed that ... wow, Damon has really made good in-roads with Jenna!

- When I saw Jonas walking forward and chilling the werewolves, I immediately thought, well, he works for Elijah, and Elijah promised Elena he'd keep her friends safe. Cool that I was right.

- So, we may or may not know how to kill an Original. With John, well, you never know if he's telling the truth or not.

- I still wish that we could see it in action, but the fact that Damon Salvatore is the head of the Mystic Falls Anti-Vampire Council never does not crack me up so hard. Carol's line about it just made me grin and grin.

As did this whole episode. Oh yes! This is my OMG!AWESOME!ILOVETHISSHOWSOMUCH! show. I know it was only two episodes ago that I felt the same (episode 10, "The Sacrifice"), but that was like, eight weeks ago, yo! "By the Light of the Moon" was mostly disappointing, and "The Descent" was good with some outstanding scenes, but a bit slow and not OMG!AWESOME! I missed that Thursday feeling. So very glad to have it back.

So, yeah ...

SQUEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
 
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on February 4th, 2011 04:39 am (UTC)
It was a great episode, yes. It hit all the pacing beats that the last episode missed, as well as having great character stuff. And naked Damon. All the Damon/Elena stuff was amazing. Love.


Going back to my original statement about how different I expected the scene to play out, I thought it would be sexy, a little funny probably with Damon confessing or heartbreaking along the lines of the final scene in last week's episode, but nope. It was flat-out creepy! When Damon said he liked to kill people, it was in his nature, who he was, it was just creepy as he's sitting there in a bubble bath, drinking wine. Finally, shutting her up when she made a statement that he didn't like (rather reminded me of him telling Caroline to stop talking when she commented that Stefan and Elena were so cute together in "Family Ties"), going for the distraction ... and then the bite. Seeing all of that gushing blood down her back, yeah, it was definitely supposed to be creepy. Job well done, show. :shivers:


Yes, that scene was incredibly effective. The show is doing a great job with this arc of Damon's.

One thing I did find very interesting was how Damon just blew off the idea of the other guy being the problem. And Damon clearly wasn't putting on a show or deflecting here, that much was evident by all he said. (Remember, other than the compulsion moment where he had to say it once in "Rose," he has never admitted aloud to anyone that he's in love with Elena, but he did so here with no qualm because he'd clearly made the decision to either (a) compel her or (b) kill her). So, if Damon was being completely honest, then it's quite interesting that he doesn't consider Stefan a reason at all as to why he can't be with Elena. And, honestly, judging at how quickly Elena forgave him, and all of those charged moments between them, I can't really say I blame him. He's never actually tried to woo/seduce/win her over, etc., and it's obvious based on enough statements from him and others, that he's had plenty of experience with women and he knows just how irresistible he can be. (And, come on, he looks *just* like Ian Somerhalder. Definitely a plus there.)

Yeah, I'm kinda with him on that, too. And so is Stefan, I think. He's fretted over Damon/Elena while Elena was still busy actively hating Damon.

Poor Caroline! Jules and Brady are so dead to me. And Tyler had better step it up or I will not be letting him back into my heart for... ever.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline03arabian on February 4th, 2011 07:42 pm (UTC)
It was a great episode, yes. It hit all the pacing beats that the last episode missed, as well as having great character stuff. And naked Damon. All the Damon/Elena stuff was amazing. Love.

Yup, and I keep going back to my idea that this was supposed to the episode we returned from the hiatus on. Having "The Descent" be the mid-season finale makes so much more sense. Rather an ease-down before the hiatus with the one-two-three punch of the cliffhangers at the end, with all three touching upon enough of the interest of viewership (what's Uncle-Daddy John up to? What will happen with Tyler and Caroline? What's gonna happen now that Damon is maybe bad again?) to sustain us and keep us going OMYGOD!what will happen before this episode with the boom!boom!boom! so much happening. Just makes so much more sense.

And, honestly, having so much Damon/Elena in the pre-hiatus episode and the post-hiatus episode makes a lot more sense when D/E ARE by far the more popular couple fandom.

Man, that final bathtub scene was so unexpectedly, awfully amazing.

Yeah, I'm kinda with him on that, too. And so is Stefan, I think. He's fretted over Damon/Elena while Elena was still busy actively hating Damon.

Very true. And I'm percolating some deep thoughts in my head about that and the whole Damon deserving Elena trend that's been going on this season.

Poor Caroline! Jules and Brady are so dead to me. And Tyler had better step it up or I will not be letting him back into my heart for... ever.

I guess because I'm just not as into Tyler as others it's easier for me to just be done with him, LOL! Plus, my Stefan/Caroline shipper heart resents Tyler and Caroline. Gah! I love Stefan and Caroline SO MUCH! They were perfection in every second of their scenes together.
(no subject) - butterfly on February 4th, 2011 08:17 pm (UTC) (Expand)
vamplover85vamplover85 on February 4th, 2011 05:04 am (UTC)
haha LOVE this review. You put the words that I was saying in my head right out on this! This is awesome!!! OMG. Seriously. :) Damon...Damon where was I? *Drools* GOOD god they need to have him naked more!!! :D lol. ICONING THE HECK OUT OF THIS EPISODE. I'll probably icon TONS OF DAMON!!! *DROOLS* lol. Gorgeous episode and just God...everything you said, I loved too. Seriously! D/E scenes were epic so cute!!! And Damon turning to the darkside I KNOW he's gonna keep that a secret for how long I don't know...but seriously that scene with the bathtub at the end...*Sigh* creepy a little tad creepy....and Stefan was good in this episode. Very good. Even though I don't like him that much he was just sweet in this episode what he was doing for Caroline afterwards. *Sigh* So cute! And OMG Nina needs to put her hair up a lot more!!! I LOVE it like that so much!!! SO cute. Just an awesome episode and Tyler...it's his loss seriously lol seriously John was a creep and haha love your title for this episode. *Giggles* but lovely review hon. I adored this episode a lot!! It was seriously awesome!! :D
Arabian: Katherine03arabian on February 4th, 2011 07:43 pm (UTC)
It really was such a fantastic episode. I was just OMG-ing through so much of it. So good!
Jude: tvd; elena throws pillow at damondanceonstardust on February 4th, 2011 05:18 am (UTC)
DUDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS EPISODE. GAH. Naked Damon back and forth, great scenes with D/E, jjdsoajfoijfdfdjfkdfjljfd awesome fight sequence. That chick from TB! I thought she looked familiar! She was brilliant.

Who should also die in a fire is Brady, but, but, but, he's so hot, it can wait a bit, right?
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought they might kiss, which was followed by 'Ew! Gross! She looks like his daughter.' And then I thought, wow, that gives a whole new meaning to the title, "Daddy Issues." But they didn't go there.
LIRL on this. EWWWWWWWW. I never thought of this. Hon, you and your soap opera loving ways. XD

I couldn't help but wonder if Nina Dobrev was going for the female title? LMAO!
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING OF.

This was about the girls! Their friendship. Their love! Stupid Stefan/Elena. Although, I will say I do get why the Stefan/Elena base are getting some good stuff in the next episode considering that this episode and the one before had barely any Stefan/Elena interaction, and was chockful of meaningful Damon/Elena stuffies. See? I can be fair, LOL!

YES, EXACTLY. I want something for friends only. I would be okay with a "Thank You" or "Please go away"

I still wish that we could see it in action, but the fact that Damon Salvatore is the head of the Mystic Falls Anti-Vampire Council never does not crack me up so hard. Carol's line about it just made me grin and grin.

My expression: :O
John's expression: PRICELESS. lol.

I missed that feeling too! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!! IT'S BACK! *jumps up and down with flaily arms*
Arabian: Damon & Elena04arabian on February 4th, 2011 07:45 pm (UTC)
Whee!! Well, hello there!

Yup, I knew I remembered her from True Blood, and I knew what was going to happen with this character so I REALLY wanted to be remembering correctly that I liked her. And, yay, I did!!! She was awesome.

I never thought of this. Hon, you and your soap opera loving ways.

Come on, he was all being creepy-in-love with her there, she looks like his daughter, the title is "Daddy Issues," how could you not go there, LOL!

Re: The slumber party scene, yeah, a "thank you" would have worked, but then that's what she said mouthed to Damon and so that would have hurt as a shipper. Honestly, I just don't think *anything* was needed there between Stefan and Elena. It just seemed so, oh, let's throw a bone to the shippers because we had so much Damon/Elena in this episode. I dunno; it did bug.

But overall, YAY!! Flaily arms city!! WOOHOO!!

x5valex5vale on February 4th, 2011 05:57 am (UTC)
very episode should begin and end with a naked Ian Somerhalder.
YES!

Elena was so very much aware of the fact that another female was hitting on Damon.
I noticed that too, imho she was also a little bit worrie dbecause of Damon's attitude. She was not used to see Damno rejecting a woman so maybe who knows...

But having so much of it boil down to Elena, having Damon flat-out say, you're a distraction (and Andie being like 'yeah, cool, I'll be your booty call, you're hot!' was amusing*) just made my shipper heart do the happy dance.<
Yeah, I really liked the actress.

I really enjoyed it too and the whole scene worked for me. It showed how much torn and multilayred Damon is. I didn't find the compulsion or the munching disturbing and I was a little bit scared of it when I read the spoilers.
It's not a step back in damon's evolution imho.
He has to go through this.

I am not sure Damon wanted to compell her or kill her. I had the feeling he just started to talk, then he realized he was and then he decided to compell her...but this is just me. I had to rewatch it.

Speking of Jensen and Ian...I am at the point I can't choose anymore :)

Great review, I agree pretty much on everything.







Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on February 4th, 2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
I know (via spoilers) what happens vaguely with this character, that's why I said "kill or compel her" because if you don't read spoilers you don't know, so I was leaving it a bit open for the spoiler-phobes who don't know which way things are going to go with her. I do think that he decided to compel or kill her once he admitted that he kills people.

Such a FANTASTIC episode. :D :D :D
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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD DE dancingbadboy_fangirl on February 4th, 2011 06:14 am (UTC)
So i have a theory on the Isobel/John/Katherine vis-a-vis.

Isobel gave up her child because she was scared kid herself. She grows up, becomes enamored of Vampire, et all Mythology, starts doing research. She becomes expert in her field and eventually desires the Vampire life, and thanks to John, finds Damon, who's willing to turn her--this is what we've been presented about Isobel.

But, what if she became a Vampire on purpose, to help protect her doppelganger daughter? She was helping Katherine get rid of the Tomb Vamps for two reasons: Katherine's reason--she didn't want anyone to know she was still alive and if the T.Vamps were dead, Klaus might believe she was also dead. Isobel's reason--as stated to John at the end of 1x21 was that she didn't want any of them (any vampires) anywhere near their daughter. (As long as you have a Salvatore on each arm, you're doomed, she drawled.)

Katherine stabs John, but doesn't kill him when she totally could have as punishment for his failure to kill all the vampires. She showed up at the house, saw Damon was still alive, and knew that John had failed in some degree.

Isobel is working on what? Killing Klaus, making sure he never comes to MF to find Elena. John and Kat are aware of this and are trying in their own ways to "help" to some extent.

What if, all along Isobel's intent has been to preserve and protect Elena, but her cover is being a Vampire? Maybe she even orchestrated Elena's parents death to cause Stefan to meet Elena so that Damon and Stefan would eventually do just what they're doing: protect her?

I mean, there are so many possibilities here, my mind is spinning.

And, one more thing: If Jenna is fixing Damon up with people who are more age appropriate for him, he can't be kissing Elena on the front porch. That was probably her motivation. *g*

Damon was beyond hot in the episode too. I'm having heat flashes, and I'm not menopausal. ;-)
Dianabutterfly on February 4th, 2011 12:30 pm (UTC)
And, one more thing: If Jenna is fixing Damon up with people who are more age appropriate for him, he can't be kissing Elena on the front porch. That was probably her motivation. *g*

Ha, makes sense. Especially since she did see them arrive together at the Grill in this episode, all 'no personal space'.
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Sar: kat with a bitepaceisthetrick on February 4th, 2011 06:38 am (UTC)
"Maybe he shook his head really, really, vampire-fast in those few seconds before grabbing a towel? Yeah, that's the ticket!" - I died laughing. My boyfriend was like wtf is wrong with you?!

"Damon Salvatore is the head of the Mystic Falls Anti-Vampire Council" - Someone needs to make icons about this with a very sarcastic Damon smirk!!

"Ah, so Damon (and likely Caroline) is drinking the vervain too." - This cracks me up because they stole the idea from Katherine. And in the last episode where Damon is lying in the road... yeah learned from Katherine. Katherine is like Grandma Vamp... showing the youngins how it's done. LMAO.
Arabian: Katherine02arabian on February 4th, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
Really, honestly how else did his hair dry so fast? If they're going to give me an inconsistency like that, I'm gonna make it make sense, damnit! LOL!

Even with older vamps around, Damon and Stefan were made by Katherine in many ways. It makes perfect sense that they'll keep taking tips and info from her to make their lives better. :)
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eolivet on February 4th, 2011 02:03 pm (UTC)
I loved this ep, too -- and what I found most surprising is that Stefan didn't bug the everliving tar out of me like he usually does. I think because he 1) had very few scenes with Elena, and 2) wasn't constantly moralizing. I LOVED his convo with Tyler -- it proves that his greatest strength isn't being a saint, but being a peacemaker. The diplomat. The negotiator. He probably took the wrong approach (it was more like a "superhero to superhero" talk -- "we can peacefully coexist," etc.) because I think Tyler's still in some kind of denial mode and is now only feeling betrayed because his uncle died, but it was still something. He played a similar, protective role with Caroline.

I like Stefan as more of a "mentor," showing newbie creatures the ropes, than his St. Boyfriend role. I think because with the former, I actually believe his expertise, and the latter, he's just...kind of insufferable. ;p

So, if Damon was being completely honest, then it's quite interesting that he doesn't consider Stefan a reason at all as to why he can't be with Elena.

Great point! It's kind of refreshing, because usually in these triangle(ish) situations, the guy is blaming the other guy rather than (in this case) himself. Poor Damon...nobody hates you as much as you do. :(

And, come on, he looks *just* like Ian Somerhalder.

HA! So true. ;)
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Damon WTFbadboy_fangirl on February 4th, 2011 05:22 pm (UTC)
Poor Damon...nobody hates you as much as you do. :(

Just had to point out this remark and say HELLS YEAH. Very poignant.
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Myramidnightblack07 on February 4th, 2011 07:18 pm (UTC)
*SQUEES RIGHT ALONG WITH YOU*

This episode was definately one of my favorites this season, I know what you mean, it seems like it's been a long time since we've gotten such a *fangirl flail worthy* episode and I am ECSTATIC!! =D

I second your every episode should begin and end with naked Ian, it worked so well here, why change the shoe if it fits??? I see no reason to hehe =P

I DID NOT expect this episode to be so chock-full of awesome Damon/Elena scenes and, suffice to say, it was a VERY pleasant surprise. I think you put it perfectly when you attributed the awesomeness of it to the undercurrents between them. Gosh SO MANY things: his lingering glance when he said he would steer clear of women for the greater good--or something along those lines-- her antsy demeanor after, his calling her out on her assumung that he'd do the right thing because she was the one asking and her uneasy response, and UNCLE JOHN TOTALLY PICKING UP ON THE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON (and, of course, Elena's lowered gaze in response); gaaah the fact that it was all so unexpected made it even better <3

I like the actress who's playing Andie Star as well, she sold her character well in True Blood and she's doing the same here IMHO. It doesn't hurt that her and Ian are so flipping hot together (much more so than he and Rose were IMO) and their back and forth was nice, I think I'll definately enjoy the casual arrangement those two have while they lasts ;)

Nina SO needs to have her hair up on the show more often because Elena was just looking so gorgeous in this episode, and it seemed moreso than usual just because that hairstyle was so flattering.

ITA, I can't remember the last time I was so stunned (in a good way) by Elena's appearance. Even her clothing this episode was nice (that cute brick read shirt as opposed to the navy blue she's been donning day in and day out lol) <3

Arabian: Katherine01arabian on February 4th, 2011 08:01 pm (UTC)
This episode was definately one of my favorites this season, I know what you mean, it seems like it's been a long time since we've gotten such a *fangirl flail worthy* episode and I am ECSTATIC!! =D

I just think the last eight weeks would have played out so differently with regards to my thoughts on the show had "The Descent" been the mid-season finale (which I'm really thinking it was meant to be), and THIS had been the return episode. Eh, whatever, the show that I adore so much is back, back, back. Again, last week wasn't bad at all. It was very good, it was just I needed the OMG!AWESOME!ILOVETHISSHOWSOMUCH! kind of episode after the five-week hiatus following the lamest episode they've had since the first three, you know?

I DID NOT expect this episode to be so chock-full of awesome Damon/Elena scenes and, suffice to say, it was a VERY pleasant surprise. I think you put it perfectly when you attributed the awesomeness of it to the undercurrents between them. Gosh SO MANY things: his lingering glance when he said he would steer clear of women for the greater good--or something along those lines-- her antsy demeanor after, his calling her out on her assumung that he'd do the right thing because she was the one asking and her uneasy response, and UNCLE JOHN TOTALLY PICKING UP ON THE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON (and, of course, Elena's lowered gaze in response); gaaah the fact that it was all so unexpected made it even better <3

Basically, this. Yes, ALL OF THIS!!! FLAIL!!!!

Re: Andie and Damon, yeah, I do like the actress, but I actually don't think they're that hot together. I'm wondering now if it's simply a case that I'm so entrenched in the Damon/Elena story that I'm simply not seeing "Damon" have chemistry with anyone else. It will be interesting to see how I react to any heated Damon/Katherine scenes in the future. (I mean, I did think the Damon/Katherine make-out scene in "The Return" was uber-hot, but I thought the Damon/Elena conversation/aborted kiss was way hotter.)

Oh, man, seeing her NOT wearing a long-sleeve blue shirt was SO VERY NICE! And the hair was just lovely. The straight-ironed look is just (obviously) not natural on her, and well, it's not natural. I wish they'd at least given her some waves, and now with Katherine having the curly/wavy hair we'll probably never see Elena that way again unless she's pretending to be Katherine. Ah well.

Still, whatever, FANTABULOUS episode! SQUEE!
tams71tams71 on February 4th, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
Let me join you in your overall reaction...SQUEE!!!!!

Beginning and ending an episode with Ian Sexyhalder naked, wet, and ridiculously HOT should be written into the man's contract. Talk about a ratings powerhouse! TVD would be winning the ratings war in every demographic. Sex on a stick!

Elena was so very much aware of the fact that another female was hitting on Damon. I'm not saying that she was jealous, because (a) there was really nothing to be jealous of there, and (b) it is too soon. However, she was aware and she didn't look particularly pleased.

Oh yeah, Andie coming on to Damon definitely affected Elena. Not to the point where she wanted to scratch her eyes out, but seeing another woman blatantly throwing herself at Damon stirred some feelings within Elena that granted, she's not totally conscious of, but seeing how he affects other women by just being himself made an impact. Her comments to him about blowing Andie off and "you don't have to be rude", his response about "steering clear of women" and those looks, oh my Lord those looks between the two of them, spoke VOLUMES. I think Damon blowing Andie off instead of flirting with her and making a move of his own in that moment will stick with Elena and when the time is right, she'll understand the significance.

Now, that final scene with Damon and Andie. Wow, that played out so much differently than I was expecting.

Everything about that scene was amazing; the sexy playfulness, Damon's confession about loving Elena and wanting to be the better man for her, but feeling as if he can't be who HE is, Andie's understanding and willingness to be his distraction, the way she reacted to his admission that he kills people and his compulsion, her insights into how he can reconcile his fight within himself because "love changes us", and that final scene. That bite. Damon being his true self, but doing it in such a way that it wasn't meant to be horrific or evil.

Yeah, totally the actress.

ICAM! I think the scene played out so well because (1) it was well-written and (2) because Ian and Dawn are good friends in real-life (her boyfriend Bryn Mooser is one of Ian's best friends). It was comfortable, relaxed, and you could tell that Ian and Dawn were having a good time.

Other stuff:

I found it quite telling that Damon and Elena are on the same page in regards to John and his offer of help while Stefan is the lone person who actually thinks John is genuine. I loved the Delena moments we got; back and forth banter and that ever present sexual/emotional tension that is right on the surface, but hasn't quite boiled over yet.

Jenna being brought up to speed about Elena's parentage by John in that way sucked. It's like he was rubbing it in her face and he of course spelled out that Elena was keeping things from her to prove that she and Elena aren't as close as she thought.

That vampire/werewolf face off was kick ass. Damon ripping out that heart in mid-air and Stefan catching stakes was so badass, but the most badass part of it all was Jonas coming out of the dark and laying a voodoo smack down on the werewolves. It was a bit cheesy with him walking out with his arms outstretched like Jesus, but it was cool all the same. I wonder if Elijah somehow has a wolf radar detector or if Elena got in touch with Elijah and told him what was going on. Anyway Elijah kept his word so it's all good.

I loved the scene with the girls and I have to admit, it was pretty cool of Stefan to do that. I love it even more that it was for Caroline. There is definite chemistry there...

This whole John/Isobel/Katherine thing has thrown me for a loop. Something is going down. Don't know if it's good or evil. I want to lean towards good, especially after that scene with John giving Elena Miranda's bracelet, but that visit to the tomb after losing his fingers and almost his life to Katherine, has my head spinning.

It's about to get even more interesting!

Oh yes! This is my OMG!AWESOME!ILOVETHISSHOWSOMUCH! show. I missed that Thursday feeling. So very glad to have it back.

A to the MEN!
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on February 5th, 2011 01:33 pm (UTC)
Beginning and ending an episode with Ian Sexyhalder naked, wet, and ridiculously HOT should be written into the man's contract.

I must concur.

Oh yeah, Andie coming on to Damon definitely affected Elena.

Exactly. There was DEFINITELY something there that was bugging Elena, but she has so completely submerged any non-platonic feelings for Damon that I think she genuninely does not get why she was bugged, so she put it down to him being rude. Whatever, Elena, LOL!

Everything about that [final] scene was amazing; the sexy playfulness, Damon's confession about loving Elena and wanting to be the better man for her, but feeling as if he can't be who HE is, Andie's understanding and willingness to be his distraction, the way she reacted to his admission that he kills people and his compulsion, her insights into how he can reconcile his fight within himself because "love changes us", and that final scene. That bite. Damon being his true self, but doing it in such a way that it wasn't meant to be horrific or evil.

But what I appreciated is that it WAS horrific, and yet totally in character and if you're not already anti-Damon, it totally continued to break your heart because he's just so very fucked up.

ICAM! I think the scene played out so well because (1) it was well-written and (2) because Ian and Dawn are good friends in real-life. It was comfortable, relaxed, and you could tell that Ian and Dawn were having a good time.

I'll just go with well-written, and that they play off well together. I've never been one to find the real-life relationship with people affecting their onscreen personas and interaction unless they are being thoroughly unprofessional and not doing their job. I mean, Nina and Paul are good friends off-screen, and yet I find some of their interactions stilted and unbelievable because I just don't think the actors mesh that well together. These two actors do, and thank God, because after the fail of Somerhalder and Lauren Cohan, I don't think I could have dealt with another sex interest of Damon's being so unbelievable.

I found it quite telling that Damon and Elena are on the same page in regards to John and his offer of help while Stefan is the lone person who actually thinks John is genuine.

I agree completely. This is partly why I say that they definitely do have similarities at the core; they think much more similarly than do she and Stefan.

I loved the Delena moments we got; back and forth banter and that ever present sexual/emotional tension that is right on the surface, but hasn't quite boiled over yet.

Their scenes were AMAZING! LOVED THEM SO MUCH! &hearts

I loved the scene with the girls and I have to admit, it was pretty cool of Stefan to do that. I love it even more that it was for Caroline. There is definite chemistry there...

It was awesome of Stefan to do that for Caroline. But it really did bug that they took a moment that was built so much on friendship (Stefan and Caroline's, and Caroline, Elena and Bonnie's) and then turned it into a Stefan/Elena couply moment. That really bugged. I don't know if I would have been bugged had it been down the road and Damon/Elena, but I think while the shipper in me would have squeed, the fan of the show, characters and friendship would have still found it the wrong time for that.

And, yes, so, so much chemistry between Paul and Candice. After Ian and Nina, I really think that those two have (by far!) the best chemistry on the show. That scene with them when he walked her home was just swoon-worthy.

This whole John/Isobel/Katherine thing has thrown me for a loop. Something is going down. Don't know if it's good or evil. I want to lean towards good, especially after that scene with John giving Elena Miranda's bracelet, but that visit to the tomb after losing his fingers and almost his life to Katherine, has my head spinning.

Yes! What is going on? I don't even want to speculate because I imagine it will be something I've never even thought of.

Edited at 2011-02-05 01:35 pm (UTC)
Kristypinkkisscandy on February 5th, 2011 01:29 am (UTC)
John's telling the truth....but just in case it keeps Elijah around, I hope they don't believe him XD
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on February 5th, 2011 01:40 pm (UTC)
Even if they've told us it's true (or it's from the books), I don't trust this show not to flip the switch on that, LOL!

But yeah, anything that keeps Elijah around is a-okay in my book. Wah! I miss Elijah!!
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Beck: Vampire Diaries - Damon & Elenabeck_liz on February 6th, 2011 12:51 am (UTC)
Every episode should begin and end with a naked Ian Somerhalder.

Wow. I can't believe this I didn't even realize this happened. *facepalm* Now I really need to re-watch it. :-D

Oh, and when talking to John later, she tells him that she still hasn't forgiven him for what he did to Stefan *and Damon.*

Yeah, that was awesome. I love that he's basically back in with her. And that he's totally in agreement with her about John and wondering WTF Stefan was thinking.

John and Katherine and Isobel all still working together totally surprised me. I mean, I wasn't at ALL surprised John was Up To Something, but with Katherine? Really? For someone as anti-vampire as he is, that still surprises me.

I completely agree that they need to tell Jenna (and Matt) ASAP about this whole thing. It's getting ridiculous how much she doesn't know. Everyone in her little family knows except her. Bring her into the fold, already. (They probably want to do it in some SHOCKING way that I will not approve of. Hmph.)

LOVED all the Damon/Elena stuff that you have enumerated so well in your post, but I also liked the Stefan/Elena stuff, too. *shrug* What can I say? Do very much love Stefan and Caroline as BFFs, although I don't ship them at all. Loved him bringing Elena and Bonnie over for her, that was awesome.

What a fantastic episode - even if I am really ticked off at Tyler right now. I'm still hoping he redeems himself, though.
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on February 6th, 2011 01:20 am (UTC)
How?! What?!? Really?!?! How did you miss all the naked Ian?!?!? I just -- my brain can not compute. Yes, you must rewatch. If you don't, I'll do it for you. It's what a friend would do. :Nods:

that he's totally in agreement with her about John and wondering WTF Stefan was thinking.

Hee! Wondering wtf Stefan was thinking. Hah! So true.

I'm honestly okay with Matt kept in the dark a bit longer, but I want Jenna to find out. And I want her to find out from Elijah ... after they make hot, sweet love! I am so pre-emptively shipping Jenna and Elijah, they can't have less chemistry and heat than Jenna and Alaric (sorry, Ernesto, I love you dearly, but you have much better chemistry with Isobel ... and Damon.)

I was okay with the first Stefan/Elena scene; it just really bugged me that such a beautiful, girly friendship moment was interrupted for yet another reminder that Stefan and Elena have the twuest wuv that ever wuved. It just was not the time.

Partly because I *do* ship Stefan and Caroline (I'm sorry, but their chemistry is so sparkly and magical and they just make my heart squee! That look he gave her on her doorstep was love!), but also because I'm just not a Tyler fan, I don't care about his redemption. I kinda want him to turn out to be a bad guy in the long run. I think that would be kinda awesome actually.

I do definitely agree, though, FANTASTIC EPISODE!! SQUEE!
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Heather-Annlinsell_farm on February 6th, 2011 01:05 am (UTC)
First, let me say that I love reading your recaps. You always notice so many great things and that sometimes triggers things in my mind. So, thanks. :o)

Every episode should begin and end with a naked Ian Somerhalder. Yes, this is simply a must.

Absetively Posolutely. Every red-blooded female on the planet should agree with this!!!!

Elena was so very much aware of the fact that another female was hitting on Damon.

Exactly. Awareness is a very good thing for Elena.

him telling her to stop expecting him to do the right thing because she is the one asking.

Awesome moment. On subsequent re-watching of this scene, I do wonder at Elena's reaction immediately following his statement. She drops her eyes quickly then lets out her breath slowly almost like she felt guilty for kinda manipulating him into being the better man. Not sure what to make of that.

But she was thinking, not some mindless automaton as she offered up the idea that this is the man that Damon is now, because love changes people.

Loved this!!!! Dawn Olivieri is a good choice for Damon's distraction.

And Damon clearly wasn't putting on a show or deflecting here, that much was evident by all he said.

Very good, interesting point. It seems that Damon is hung up on the fact that he doesn't deserve her, and the fact that Stefan does really doesn't factor into the equation anymore.

The alternate title for this episode? "Everybody Hates John."

LOL - so very true.

it was just NOT the right moment, show!

THIS.
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on February 6th, 2011 01:25 am (UTC)
On subsequent re-watching of this scene, I do wonder at Elena's reaction immediately following his statement. She drops her eyes quickly then lets out her breath slowly almost like she felt guilty for kinda manipulating him into being the better man. Not sure what to make of that.

I mentioned this in your lj, but it applies here too, so I'll just copy/paste. I don't think she deliberately was trying to manipulate him (unlike in "Bad Moon Rising"). I think it honestly just comes naturally with him because she does know that generally if she asks and expects it of him, he will do it. Therefore, of course, she's going to ask him if it's going to help any given situation. He just called her on doing that something that I don't believe she's really aware that she's doing. It just comes naturally to her now. She subconsciously knows that she has Damon wrapped around her finger, that he loves her and will do anything for her, but she can't consciously go there. If she does, well, then they have to deal with that whole can of worms, and we know from "Rose" -- "Don't go there." -- that she is so not ready to deal.

It seems that Damon is hung up on the fact that he doesn't deserve her, and the fact that Stefan does really doesn't factor into the equation anymore.

Yes, I do think that part of his feeling that he doesn't deserve her is wrapped up in his belief that Stefan does, but it's become more about him, his failings, his lack of control. And that is how it should be. He can't control Stefan or whether he deserves Elena or not, he can only control what he, Damon, does and how he can ever be worthy of her love.
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