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14 January 2011 @ 08:19 pm
Some negative & positive 'Vampire Diaries' thoughts ...  
These are both about upcoming episodes/spoilers, so if you're spoiler-free stay out!



Okay, so first the negative so I can end on a happy note. And I will say that despite the next batch of paragraphs of negativity, this is me mostly just getting my bad vibes/worst-fears out of my system, I do have a big enough flame of hope that I really am being entirely unrealistically negative. I just needed to get this out of my head! Now, onto it ... I may be the only TVD fan who is not looking forward to the next episode. I can't help it. I hope, very, very much so, that what we do know will play out in a way that awesomely works as stuff in the past has, however, the entire writing of the Rose/Damon relationship and how very, very disappointing "By the Light of the Moon" was for me really have me not expecting anything but more disappointment. What we do know and why I'm bummed ...

- More Stefan/Elena kissy-face/lovey-dovey time ... because clearly Julie and Kev think that the Stefan/Elena camp have just been tortured brutally because their couple was broken up for three or four episodes. Never mind that no one actually knew whether or not they got back together two or three episodes before they actually did. Never mind that every single episode this season -- even those, yes, they were definitively broken-up, episodes -- featured hugs, teary-eyed moments of love, comments/speeches/etc. about their greatest TWU WUV 4-EVA! relationship. But, no, the Stefan/Elena fans deserve more of their couple have happy times because they were "broken up." Oh, the pain they went through.

Never mind the non-stop crapping upon that the Damon/Elena fanbase took. Not one, single, solitary squee-moment in eleven episodes. Even the "Rose" confession was angsty and heartbreaking because he made her forget and they've completely put that on the backburner for now. Do I think that it won't come up? Of course not. Do I think that the second half will show us much more Damon/Elena stuff? Yes. Do I think there is an arc in play that will eventually lead to the demise of Stefan/Elena and the coupling of Damon/Elena? Yes. Does it matter right now when I've barely even been given crumbs this season as a Damon/Elena fan? Nope. And then to top it off, the last episode before a five-week episode not only gave me absolutely NOTHING as a Damon/Elena fan after promising so much potential the week before, but also gave me Damon concerned/sexy-flirty times with Rose, and Stefan/Elena in their joyful reunion. So yeah, not happy. And not looking forward to more Stefan/Elena in lovey-dovey mode.

- Based on previews, promos and spoilers, Damon is all protective and in emo-angsty mode over Rose. Let me repeat that ... OVER. ROSE. Someone he just met, had a fuck buddies relationship with and barely appeared to like/respect before she took the werewolf bite for him. Over. Fucking. Rose. Look, I like emo-angsty Damon as much as any Damon-stan, but that emo-angsting is for two people. TWO PEOPLE: Stefan. Elena. If he wants to expand ... fine. Over Alaric and/or Liz. Those are the only people I can deal with at this point. Damon is not mushy, angsty, emo-ing over every individual who crosses his path. And, I am sorry, show, but you DID NOT, in any way, give me justification for Damon acting this way over Rose. Nada, zilch, zip.

- Based on a side and stills, it appears as if Damon -- all fed-up with his emerging, unable to deny humanity ... OVER. FUCKING. ROSE. -- decides to combat said emerging, unable to deny humanity by getting drunk and compelling random chick to stand there and let him bite and drain the life out of her. Yeah. We've spent all season having Damon do his damndest to make up for "killing" Jeremy -- a move that in retrospect, I really wish they hadn't done, biting/attacking him would have been bad enough, but killing him was too much, shock value aside -- and then, whoops!, let's throw all that progress out the window. Because he's emo-ing. OVER. FUCKING. ROSE.

- And this one I'm REALLY in the minority with Damon/Elena fans. Ho-hum, Elena hugs him. After Rose dies, or he kills Rose to save Elena. Big whoop. It will be just another cross between a sympathy/pity hug. And then she'll just go back to hating him all over again when she finds out about random chick he compelled/possibly killed.

- The Rose/Elena conversation where she tells her that it's okay to love both brothers. First of all, I don't buy that Elena loves Damon. I don't. And I'm a huge Damon/Elena fan. Likes him, is hot for him, is intrigued, all beyond her willingness to? Absolutely, but not loves. But that has nothing to do with my lack of interest in this scene. Rose is gonna say her line, Elena is going to deny it, Rose will give her a knowing look/call her out on it, and Elena will be quiet and then look pensively away, possibly giving Damon a considering look later before the denial mask comes back into place. Yeah, yeah, it will be a small step, but I'm so tired of small steps. Or no steps. Or taken steps backwards. I need/want something big.

Look I hope I'm wrong about all of this. I hope that by setting myself up for incredibly low expectations and expecting the worst (based on all of my predictions above), that I won't be disappointed at all. But I just needed to get this out. I needed to deal with this fomenting upset that has been building since I felt so sucker-punched with disappointment from "By the Light of the Moon." I'm hoping that the episode will be awesome, and every episode after that will be awesome because barring one frickin' episode (you idiot, I remind myself!), this show has been nothing but awesome once it attained awesome status. Again, the thing is that I've been burned way, way, way too many times with other shows ... and that dang episode REALLY did a number on my expectations for this show.

Phew!

Onto the positive. So, Sara Canning (Jenna) just did an interview, and she was fairly cagey, but it certainly got my hopes up.

    Speaking of the Originals, we know Elijah (Daniel Gillies), who's posing as an author researching small towns, has already met Jenna, who got roped into playing Historical Society hostess in the last episode. Will they be seeing more of each other? "Yes," Canning says. "When Elijah first comes to town, they have a pretty introductory kind of 'hello, what are you up to here, this is what I do' relationship. But we'll see that grow into something else. And that is all I'm saying." Could it turn, gulp, romantic? "She's been with like every other guy who comes back to town," she says, laughing. "My dad, every time he watches the show, he'll call me right after and say, 'Really? Another guy?' Which is pretty funny. He's like, 'What is going on with your character? She has been around the block.' Elijah is very charming. That would put her in a weird position, because we all know what his deal is, and I'm sure he's not gonna tell her. That'd be fun."
I'm really hoping this means that the show is well-aware of the hit they have with Elijah/Daniel Gillies on their hands if they are expanding his role into something that includes a relationship with a main character specifically beyond his strictly stuck in the vampire aspect of the show. Now, of course, they did the same with Anna -- her and Jeremy -- but she was introduced in that way, Elijah wasn't. So I'm hoping (really, really hoping!) that this expansion is a very good sign for us Elijah-lovers out there! The one sad aspect is that this probably means I'll never get Alaric/Elijah buddy-buddy, LOL! But frankly, I can't imagine Gillies and Canning having less chemistry than Matt Davis (Alaric) and Canning, so I'm very curious to see if those two spark. And since I love Jenna, anything to get her more story would be awesome. And I know the show can do it.

See? I do still love my show and I do have faith it will remain awesome-sauce, I just needed to get my venting worries out of the way.
 
 
 
Myramidnightblack07 on January 15th, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
honestly, you're not alone in your worries over the previews/promos we've seen; I kinda reeled back a bit as well when I heard about Damon's possible regression (as you said, because of ROSE lol), buuut I somehow managed to talk myself out of it and with mantras such as *spoilers/promos are far from reliable*, *even if these things are true, perhaps seeing them in context will make me feel differently*, *TVD's been made of awesome, I'm sure they'll pull it off* and the list goes on lol

& when I read that possible Elijah/Jenna spoiler I was so thrilled!! Granted, I do like Jenna with Alaric (not in a hard core they'd break my heart of they broke up kind of way, but more like my liking for their individual characters has been projected on to their relationship), but anything that can guarantee me more Elijah screentime(as well as, possibly, more facets to his character) makes me SQUEE!!! =D

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BRING MROE OF THIS BAMF ON!!
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on January 15th, 2011 02:08 am (UTC)
This pretty much ALL-AROUND!

Damn, Elijah, why you so bad-ass?!?!?!?
tams71tams71 on January 15th, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
Badass Elijah doing his thang like only he can do. Love it!
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crowandfogcrowandfog on January 15th, 2011 03:26 am (UTC)
Lol! Love that gif. I keep getting distracted by the pedestrian in the bottom right corner, though. What's going on there? Is he being murdered by coin? Or just freaking out because of the noise? The other pedestrian walking past looks mildly intrigued by the sudden mayhem, but not harmed in the slightest.
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Heather-Annlinsell_farm on January 15th, 2011 02:18 am (UTC)
Venting is good. I had been staying away from spoilers but then inadvertently saw a few stills from The Descent. The main reason I'd been staying away was to promote my "ignorance is bliss" state.

I, too, was so disappointed in By the light of the Moon, especially given that it was the last thing we saw before a 5 week hiatus. In some ways that was a good thing as I thought it'd make the break more bearable if I wasn't pining for my show.

I am definately with you in the "low expectations means less chance of being disappointed" camp. Also, the whole Damon compelling that random chick in exactly the same manner as he did in The Pilot is extremely frustrating to me. I mean, how much more completely can the writers erase all of Damon's growth????

Then, the totally over-done reaction to Rose's situation makes me see red. I understand that Damon could use a special friend but that absolutely does not warrant him going angsty-emo over her. That's just WRONG!!! Like you said, if he needs to expand, then include Alaric or Jenna. That would be acceptable to me.

As usual, I'm on the same page as you regarding baby-steps, backward-steps, Elena's non-reaction, and also the hugging Damon picture. Until I know what's actually behind it, I'm trying to reserve judgement. That being said, us Damon/Elena fangirls have had a brutal season so far and that makes me inclined to see the hug as another stupid "toss-them-a-crumb" to keep us from revolting (I know I'm overdoing it here).

The poor, hard-done-by Stefan/Elena fanbase ... better make sure the reconciliation sex is given screentime since nobody knew if they ever actually broke up :o(

OK, it seems I needed to vent as well. I do have faith that our show will figure this all out and treat the storylines with respect. I am hopeful for some Elijah & Jenna action. Elijah is a cool, suave character. More airtime for both of them would be fine with me.
Arabian: Damon & Elena01arabian on January 15th, 2011 02:34 am (UTC)
Yeah, I've been doing that too, concentrating on all the WTF-ery potentiality of the spoilers/previews. And yet hoping that, like the show's norm, it will all work out and be its regular awesomeness.

I am hopeful for some Elijah & Jenna action. Elijah is a cool, suave character. More airtime for both of them would be fine with me.

Yeah, baby!
tams71tams71 on January 15th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
I understand your need to rant and vent. It's best to get the frustration out now because I have a feeling that there will be more to rant and vent about when the new episode(s) airs.

I was disappointed with "By The Light Of The Moon" as well, especially since the last episode before the hiatus last year was pretty damn awesome and made me literally crave the next episode. Quite honestly the only thing I'm looking forward to is the Matt/Caroline kiss and the Tyler/Caroline kiss, the "Everyone needs to stop kissing me line", and seeing Elijah on my screen again. Oh Rose dying and getting the hell off my show would be the cherry on top of the sundae, yeah.

I despise that the writers are trying to place such great importance on Rose and having what is happening or is bound to happen to her affect Damon so much that there is a possibility that he will regress back to the Damon from the pilot episode. I think it's a CROCK! She may have taken a werewolf bite for Damon, but that one act does not erase everything else that she has done and it certainly does not garner Damon reverting back to a stone cold killer and flipping the humanity switch. Seriously Kevin and Julie?

Come January 27th we're also getting another round of Stefan and Elena sucking face and doing the horizontal mambo. UGH! A part of me wishes that Elena sticking her tongue down Stefan's throat occurs because she feels guilty about the realization of her feelings for Damon after her conversation with Rose. I'm sure that that won't be the case so I'm not getting my hopes up for that or anything really.

No expectations from me. No looking forward to the episode. I'm just waiting out the hiatus to see some sexy as hell Ian Somerhalder, catch a glimpse or two of Elijah, and see what happens with the Tyler/Caroline/Matt triangle (even though I hate them with a passion, triangles, not the characters).

Cool tidbit about Jenna/Elijah. I love Alaric, I love Jenna and I love them together, but right now they are going nowhere. So much potential, but TPTB are just not utilizing them. Jenna and Elijah would really stir it up. Yeah, I like :)
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on January 15th, 2011 02:58 am (UTC)
I'm still hoping, amidst my worries, that it won't be this ridiculously lop-sided because this show has always (but for that one episode) been so much better than that. And also that it's clear that Damn reverting is not because of Rose specifically, but that she comes to represent the bigger picture of the humanity growing in Damon that he first admitted to in "Founder's Day" on the porch with "Elena." If that is made clear, I'll be fine with it. But it has GOT to be more than about Rose, and obviously so.

As for Stefan/Elena, yeah, I'm thinking there might be a love scene, but I'm also hoping that we just get kissing -- because that's all the preview showed up. Still, it's like enough with giving the S/E camp the moon and stars, it's our turn, dangit!

Cool tidbit about Jenna/Elijah. I love Alaric, I love Jenna and I love them together, but right now they are going nowhere. So much potential, but TPTB are just not utilizing them. Jenna and Elijah would really stir it up. Yeah, I like :)

YUPPERS! :D
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sweetiegrrl2346sweetiegrrl2346 on January 15th, 2011 03:02 am (UTC)
LOL, looks like you've gotten a little more pessimistic since I read your last review.

ITA about the whole Rose thing. If it wasn't for Damon's over the top concern they're throwing at us, I really wouldn't hate Rose. I wouldn't like her... I'd nothing her, I guess. Out of all the guest stars TVDs ever had, she is by far the least impressive, which makes me even madder that THIS is the person who's supposed to ignite his humanity. If it's not gonna be Elena or Stefan, or hell even Ric or Liz, I wish it would've at least been somebody worthy of our attention, like Anna at the end of last season. Or even if they'd have given DR some more build up so we could grow to care about Rose other than being Elena's would-be kidnapper and Damon's special sex friend. Boo hiss. I just keep repeating to myself what KW said about Rose only being a path to Elena, but it still hurts and I'm getting less and less patient as the weeks pass by and so little has developed. I'm never gonna abandon this ship, but I've found myself fondly watching late season one eps and reading lots of post- Founder's day fanfic, lol.

The stills of Damon and the girl, and the sides that supposedly go along with them, do worry me, but I've reeeeally been trying to stay positive. I'll cling desperately (to the bitter end) to my hope that Damon stops himself before he does anything. I don't know how I'll feel if it ends up that he kills her, and honestly I don't wanna even contemplate it right now.

So excited to see what's gonna happen between Jenna and Elijah, although for some reason I have this gut feeling like it's gonna be some kind of compulsion thing. It would be really nice to see some genuine interaction between Elijah and Jenna, or really any human, but it almost seems to me like humanity in general is beneath him, so I can't really see it happening. And while I'm not a huge Jelaric fan, I don't think I could stand to watch poor bb Alaric get his heart broken again. :(

I still have faith the hug will be squee-worthy, not out of sympathy or pity. In my mind, it comes at the end of the ep, after Damon tried to kill the girl and couldn't make himself, so he confesses to Elena angrily because he's confused and pissed that he can't hold onto the one thing he had left, his identity as the evil self-serving psychopath. I think that could explain the tense scene he and Elena seem to share, as well as her slightly upset/confused expression as she hugs him. Maybe it's not sympathy, but fear that he got so close to killing again mixed with hope/pride/appreciation that he didn't.

A girl can hope, right? ^_^
tams71tams71 on January 15th, 2011 03:20 am (UTC)
I still have faith the hug will be squee-worthy, not out of sympathy or pity. In my mind, it comes at the end of the ep, after Damon tried to kill the girl and couldn't make himself, so he confesses to Elena angrily because he's confused and pissed that he can't hold onto the one thing he had left, his identity as the evil self-serving psychopath. I think that could explain the tense scene he and Elena seem to share, as well as her slightly upset/confused expression as she hugs him. Maybe it's not sympathy, but fear that he got so close to killing again mixed with hope/pride/appreciation that he didn't..

Love your thoguhts on the hug and the intense scene depicted in the stills. If this were to actually happen I think I would spontaneously combust :)
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Arabian: Damon & Elena04arabian on January 15th, 2011 03:33 am (UTC)
Out of all the guest stars TVDs ever had, she is by far the least impressive, which makes me even madder that THIS is the person who's supposed to ignite his humanity. If it's not gonna be Elena or Stefan, or hell even Ric or Liz, I wish it would've at least been somebody worthy of our attention, like Anna at the end of last season. Or even if they'd have given DR some more build up so we could grow to care about Rose other than being Elena's would-be kidnapper and Damon's special sex friend. Boo hiss.

This, this, this, THIS! As I said to tams71, I really hope that it's clear that what happens to Rose is just the tip of the iceberg, the straw that broke the camel's back, pick your metaphor. If *that* is the case, I'll be TOTALLY fine with, in fact, I'll be thrilled because I know the show can write it well, and that Ian can deliver.

I still have faith the hug will be squee-worthy, not out of sympathy or pity. In my mind, it comes at the end of the ep, after Damon tried to kill the girl and couldn't make himself, so he confesses to Elena angrily because he's confused and pissed that he can't hold onto the one thing he had left, his identity as the evil self-serving psychopath. I think that could explain the tense scene he and Elena seem to share, as well as her slightly upset/confused expression as she hugs him. Maybe it's not sympathy, but fear that he got so close to killing again mixed with hope/pride/appreciation that he didn't.

I actually almost added something like that to the original post, that maybe that's what happened -- after all, Damon is wearing the jacket in the outdoor scenes and the ones with Elena, but it could take place before that scene, as opposed to after. I am hoping that's possible, but unless they've changed the scene and Damon doesn't kill her (because he clearly does in the side -- the whole "drains the life out of her!"), I can't see Elena knowing Damon just did something like that and comforting him, so I don't know.

So excited to see what's gonna happen between Jenna and Elijah, although for some reason I have this gut feeling like it's gonna be some kind of compulsion thing.

I'm hoping and thinking not, because you just know that Elena and Jeremy and Alaric have been slipping vervain into EVERYTHING that Jenna eats/drinks at this point, LOL!

It would be really nice to see some genuine interaction between Elijah and Jenna, or really any human, but it almost seems to me like humanity in general is beneath him, so I can't really see it happening.

Really? I haven't gotten that impression. In fact, other than ripping Trevor's head off, and compelling Slater to kill himself, he not only hasn't done anything bad, he hasn't gone for revenge, and he clearly gets human emotions and understands them to get what's going on with Elena. I can't help it, I'm hopeful.
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eolivet on January 15th, 2011 03:42 am (UTC)
This might be really reaching, but I'm wondering if Damon is projecting his feelings for Elena onto Rose, because he can't...well...project them onto Elena herself? IDK -- that whole "I don't deserve you," so then he goes with someone he thinks he does deserve...? Total newbie fan perception here, but I think it's why I haven't hated Rose. I can't think it's coincidence that she showed up, Damon confessed his feelings to Elena, erased her memory and then started something with Rose. I find it very "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with." Or...something. :x

(And am I the only person who finds the possible demise of Alaric/Jenna sad? :( I feel like poor Alaric has suffered so much already -- to have TWO women leave him for vampires/vampire lifestyle? Unless Elijah is being used to create a...um...triangle -- in which case I say: bring it on. :x )
Arabian: Rose_Thinkingarabian on January 15th, 2011 03:45 am (UTC)
I don't think that's the case with Damon/Rose, or if it is, I don't think they've established that well enough because, well, you're the first person I've read see it that way. And I don't hate Rose, she amuses me, I just won't buy this UBER-importance from Damon about her because it's OOC and definitely has not had even remotely enough build-up.

I should care about the possible demise of Alaric/Jenna sad, but they are so boring to me and both characters are so awesome they deserve so much better. If they do break-up, I hope that Elijah is tangential and just a "friend" at that point, and has nothing to do with Jenna/Alaric. Or that it's a kick-ass triangle, which I doubt, as I DESPISE triangles, LOL!
crowandfogcrowandfog on January 15th, 2011 04:10 am (UTC)
Oh, wow! That was a lot to get off your chest. Here's what I tell myself to make this all okay:

Maybe it's not ROSE that Damon is going so emo-angsty over as much as it is HIMSELF? There's no reason why his mindset can't be "what's wrong with me? why do I care about a stranger? I don't know who I am anymore. I need to remember what it's like to be me" I don't think it has to be "oh the pain of losing Rose is so great. I regret opening my heart to anyone" Does that make any sense? In that way, I kinda feel like only Rose--only a stranger, only someone that he shouldn't care about--would be a good catalyst for an identity crisis of sorts. I mean, wasn't Anna's death the catalyst for his "I don't do good. It's not in me" speech? There's a precedent, right? I'm really hoping that this emo-angst is more than just him MOURNING for Rose, because EWW.

Following that line of thinking, maybe the scene with Elena is Damon confessing about whatever happened on the road. Maybe he's talking to her about his identity crisis (can't believe I'm calling it that :P), and he and Elena are finally having the conversation that they should have had at the end of "Founder's Day". That would be a pretty big D/E thing, right? *crosses fingers* I mean, it's about time for Elena to hear (and remember) one of Damon's best speeches.

I really don't have anything to say about the S/E business. That's all getting beyond stupid to me.

Well, that's all the positivity that I've got. Hope that was able to make you feel a little better.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on January 15th, 2011 04:14 am (UTC)
Maybe it's not ROSE that Damon is going so emo-angsty over as much as it is HIMSELF? There's no reason why his mindset can't be "what's wrong with me? why do I care about a stranger? I don't know who I am anymore. I need to remember what it's like to be me" I don't think it has to be "oh the pain of losing Rose is so great. I regret opening my heart to anyone" Does that make any sense?

Yes, and that's what I'm hoping. I said to sweetiegrrl2346, I hope that it's clear that what happens to Rose is just the tip of the iceberg, the straw that broke the camel's back, pick your metaphor. If *that* is the case, I'll be TOTALLY fine with, in fact, I'll be thrilled because I know the show can write it well, and that Ian can deliver.

And I mentioned "Founder's Day" to tams71: I'm still hoping, amidst my worries, that it won't be this ridiculously lop-sided because this show has always (but for that one episode) been so much better than that. And also that it's clear that Damn reverting is not because of Rose specifically, but that she comes to represent the bigger picture of the humanity growing in Damon that he first admitted to in "Founder's Day" on the porch with "Elena." If that is made clear, I'll be fine with it. But it has GOT to be more than about Rose, and obviously so.

So, yes, that's what I'm hoping. I want to believe that things will be awesome, but I'd prefer to go in there with low expectations and be pleasantly reminded of how awesome my show is, rather than high expectations and get sucker-punched again like "In the Light of the Moon."

Following that line of thinking, maybe the scene with Elena is Damon confessing about whatever happened on the road. Maybe he's talking to her about his identity crisis (can't believe I'm calling it that :P), and he and Elena are finally having the conversation that they should have had at the end of "Founder's Day". That would be a pretty big D/E thing, right? *crosses fingers* I mean, it's about time for Elena to hear (and remember) one of Damon's best speeches.

I'm hoping that's a possibility, BUT if he actually kills the girl (as the side indicates -- although, it very easily could have been changed), I can't see Elena even remotely comforting him. I just can't.

Hope that was able to make you feel a little better.

You did, because you brought up a lot of points that I was coming to myself and that makes me feel better. :)

Edited at 2011-01-15 04:15 am (UTC)
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Sarpaceisthetrick on January 15th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping Rose's death brings on self-reflection for Damon too.
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summerofsoaps: damon and elena poolsummerofsoaps on January 15th, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
I think that Rose is just a vehicle for Damon's emotions. I think (and have written fic to the extent) that he never would have had any kind of emotion towards Rose if she hadn't come along exactly at the time that he was admitting his feelings for Elena. Because he loves Elena, his human is coming to the forefront. Rose is just the first object for him to latch onto since that moment.

That being said, I do kinda like Rose, even though I'm majorly in the minority. I also didn't care for Anna, so we know I have different tastes, lol.

"By the Light of the Moon" was majorly disappointing. But I'm allowing TVD to have a crappy episode (or even two!) a season. I've been rewatching Buffy lately, and I've realized that even the seasons that I loved the most had a few real clunkers, I just don't usually remember them in hindsight.
Arabian: Damon & Elena07arabian on January 15th, 2011 03:58 pm (UTC)
OMG! I thought I was the only person who was meh on Anna. And I do like Rose (even if it's mostly because her wimpiness cracks me up so hard!), I just don't think they've established why Damon would like her, and be all emo-angsting over her just for her. And that is my fear. I hope that it's this:

Rose is just a vehicle for Damon's emotions.... Because he loves Elena, his human is coming to the forefront. Rose is just the first object for him to latch onto since that moment.

I'm thinking it's going to be this, I'm just worried that it's not going to be clear enough because they've been a bit muddy in writing the Damon/Rose relationship thus far, in my opinion.

I keep on holding onto how good the rest of the show is, but having a disappointing episode (that totally screwed over your couple, while raining hosannas down on the other couple) with five weeks to stew was just not a good way to go, in my opinion. I really, REALLY think they made a big mistake there. You don't give one couple fanbase such a great tiding, and then completely crap all over the couple fanbase with five weeks to stew. Just not good business-sense, and why I think that Kevin Williamson came out with that oh-so-obviously damage-control interview the day after about Rose being part of Damon's journey, which was wrapped up in his love for Elena.
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Sarpaceisthetrick on January 15th, 2011 10:02 pm (UTC)
"but you DID NOT, in any way, give me justification for Damon acting this way over Rose. Nada, zilch, zip."

NEVER SAID BETTER.

This makes me very angry too.

And I also agree with the small steps... the Delena hug... I don't know. I'm prepared to feel underwhelmed? :(

I don't think Elena loves Damon either. :( - And I'm a HUGE shipper. The only fanfic I write is Delena!

Elijah <3<3<3 Loved him since his first episode.
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on January 16th, 2011 02:24 am (UTC)
Obviously, I agree with all of this! Yuppers.

(Welcome to my journal. :)
Sarpaceisthetrick on January 16th, 2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
I love your journal. I've been having fun reading your 30-days of TVD entries. Very amusing. I'm gonna add you as a friend. xoxo
waltzmatildah: tvd: caroline and damon are prettywaltzmatildah on January 16th, 2011 01:00 pm (UTC)
For me, the lack of build up to relationships on this show has been a consistent theme, unfortunately.

Case in point? Stefan/Elena. We are meant to believe they are OMGONETRUELOVE but where the hell did it come from? Any alleged build up occurred off screen and was fleetingly mentioned in passing (if mentioned at all). It's one of the main reasons why I don't buy their relationship and that it annoys me no end.

Another one? Jeremy/Bonnie. WHAT? Do not understand where that one came from either. They don't interact AT ALL for over a season and suddenly they're all crushing on each other in the blink of an eye. Again, don't really buy it.

Even Caroline/Tyler has been very rushed (though, circumstance and the fact that she's still in between Matt/Tyler make it more believable and natural, imo).

This Rose thing is just the lastest in a long line... Sometimes I think the relationships and their believeable and gradual development suffer due to the fast paced nature of the episodes and the desire of the writers to resolve most of what occurs in an episode by the end of the 42 minutes.

In fact, the one 'relationship' that they have bothered to show us develop over time is Damon/Elena, so in that way I'm grateful. But it also confuses me no end, because we get all this awesome D/E development and gradual acceptance/understanding mixed in with moments of OMGSTEFAN/ELENA4EVA that seems to pop up out of no where and have no real basis.

I hesitate to say that it's lazy writing, because I really do enjoy 99% of what this show does, but that is really what it seems like to me...

(Obviously this is all just my opinion! Feel free to ignore at your discretion!)
Arabian: Damon&Liz01arabian on January 16th, 2011 02:44 pm (UTC)
I agree with Stefan and Elena, but not so much Jeremy/Bonnie and Caroline/Tyler. In fact, what I like about Jeremy and Bonnie, and *why* it makes sense for me is that they haven't had any interaction. Otherwise, it would be totally squicky with Bonnie and Elena being best friends, Jeremy being Elena's baby brother. But because we haven't seen them ever interact, it does completely play out realistically that Jeremy was basically invisible to her. But then in "Plan B," both were pulled in tthe scheme, and in "Masquerade" -- in fancy, dress-up clothes no less -- were actively working together. Those scenes in that episode where it was obvious that Bonnie was actually seeing him for the first time in a long time went a long way towards making Jeremy/Bonnie work for me.

And I don't think they've rushed it. Other than that final scene in "The Sacrifice," it's mostly been side-looks and submerged, wtf? is this feelings. I do think it's developed surprisingly naturally, and because they have that base of knowing each other most of their lives, the getting-to-know-you-as-a-person phase can be glossed over, it's just the getting-to-know-you-as-an-attractive-person phase that they are going through now. So I totally buy them.

As for Caroline/Tyler, you said it yourself, because of the situation and the Matt aspect of it it works. Prior to the werewolf reveal, and then Caroline's reveal to him, Tyler was as much a dick to her as he always was. It was the extraordinary circumstances of the werewolf/vampire, I'm-all-alone thing that has pushed them into this much closer category. So, yeah, I'm buying that too.

Rose/Damon, on the other hand, is the first that has bothered me. BUT, to be fair, I'm projecting future fears. Because actually looking at what we've had so far, it hasn't been rushed either. Until Rose stepped in front of him to take the werewolf bite, Damon was pretty dismissive, and nonchalant about her. Sure he slept with her, but he wasn't in a rush to take her phone call in "The Sacrifice," and basically ignored her once he got there, nor was he surprised when she took off. And when they did talk prior to the werewolf bite, he wasn't very nice. It was only *after* the bite, that he completely softened to her, and I'm hoping that we're going to see it's been part of the whole 'OMG! People do actually care about me!' (because this came right off of the heels of Alaric showing genuine concern for Damon's well-being). My fear comes from the previews and Damon being all uber-protective. But previews don't tell the whole story, and it really could (and likely will) play out as Rose just being the tip of the iceberg in him "feeling" and that's where this all comes from.

Phew! Thank you for offering your two cents, because in my responding to you, it actually made me feel a lot better because I've been able to articulate some of my fears away.

Sometimes I think the relationships and their believeable and gradual development suffer due to the fast paced nature of the episodes and the desire of the writers to resolve most of what occurs in an episode by the end of the 42 minutes.

With that all said, I do agree a teeny bit about this. But, on the other hand, the fact that they have managed to establish as much relationship stuff as they have, not only between Damon/Elena (and the couples I do like as mentioned above), but they've also established non-romantic relationships, and that's something that a lot of other shows don't even bother with.

In fact, the one 'relationship' that they have bothered to show us develop over time is Damon/Elena, so in that way I'm grateful. But it also confuses me no end, because we get all this awesome D/E development and gradual acceptance/understanding mixed in with moments of OMGSTEFAN/ELENA4EVA that seems to pop up out of no where and have no real basis.

And I still have hope -- since it's SO obvious -- that the whole point of this will come out that Stefan is Elena's "now" boyfriend, he's her teenage crush basically with the whole teenage-TRULOVE4EVA! aspect, while Damon and Elena are building this real relationship.

Edited at 2011-01-16 02:48 pm (UTC)
lacrimadraconis: TVD Damon Elena Alariclacrimadraconis on January 16th, 2011 01:49 pm (UTC)
Jenn, I always love your posts, whether they are negative or OMGSQUEE!happy, it's always great to read them.

Luckily, I'm still very positive on most things and as you, sweetiegrrl2346, crowandfog and others have pointed out, I have pretty high hopes that it's much more about Damon and the feelings he finds himself overwhelmed with than it is about Rose. I also hope the scene with Elena might take place after the scene with the girl on the road.

But either way, I have ridiculous faith in the writers and so far they didn't disappoint me, so I keep crossing my fingers that it'll stay that way. You're right about going in with low expectations and then be pleasantly surprised instead of the other way around. By now, I'm really excited to see the next episode :)

Edited at 2011-01-16 01:50 pm (UTC)
Arabian: DE & Alaric01arabian on January 16th, 2011 02:50 pm (UTC)
I always love your posts, whether they are negative or OMGSQUEE!happy, it's always great to read them.

Thank you, with this show, I try to not veer towards the negative side as much.

I actually do feel more positive after reading/responding to comments. So I thank everyone who did so. It really does help.

(Squee! I love your icon, heh!)