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26 December 2010 @ 11:46 am
'Doctor Who' Christmas Special has been watched!  
Thoughts on the Christmas episode of Doctor Who.

So I watched Doctor Who Christmas episode, and sadly, was quite disappointed. My 8-year old nephew loved "The Next Doctor," and was excited to watch this with me -- only his second DW episode -- and he was bored silly. My sister, who has never watched DW before, got up half-way through it because she was bored.

As was I. I just kept watching because I adore Matt Smith, but it was such a lame episode. Such good actors, and yet, Moffat continues to prove his suckiness. Why only Christmas Eves? Yeah, yeah, she only had a certain number of days left, but we didn't know that until the second-to-last Christmas Eve we saw them together. The kid was nearly a grown-up, and yet he was fine with only bringing her out on that one day of the year? And his dad was completely unaware of this? And her voice was the only one that would work? And where did the falling ship come from? How did they control the sky? Gah. Typical Moffat, all of these unanswered questions that he just blithely ignores and skips merrily along with his full-of-gaping-holes plots.

It was just all so overwrought, and overplotted and stupid. And the Doctor kept telling everyone to shut up! The Doctor doesn't do that. That's on occasion, but not a thing he does several times in one episode! Oh, and all of a sudden, the Doctor doesn't have any clue on how to comfort a crying woman?!? What about Rose, or Martha, or Donna, or Amy, or the countless number of women he's comforted throughout the series? *Sigh* I couldn't even take pleasure in the belief that the Doctor was thinking of Rose when he was asked how he would spend one last day with his beloved because Moffat wrote this, so I don't think that was the intention, and because we'd had the whole episode informing us that the Doctor knows absolutely nothing about women, romance and love, I highly doubt we were supposed to think he was thinking of anything other than confusion. :rolls eyes:

There were some funny lines, some good moments, even some heartfelt moments. Matt Smith was wonderful, I will forever love the bowtie stuff. The little of Amy and Rory was good, but I was disappointed that we didn't get to see the Doctor, Amy and Rory more TOGETHER! Yeah, I was just disappointed overall. Oh, Moffat.

I will continue watching the show because Matt Smith is uber-adorable, I love Rory, Amy's cool, and the non-Moffat-written episodes are generally very good. But this one? Ugh! So typically Moffat. Double ugh! I know, I know, I'm such a Moffat-hater, but I swear, I do sit down to watch every episode he writes with the hopes that the first watch will strike me like his earlier ones that I did LOVE upon first watch. It hasn't happened yet since he took over. :(
 
 
 
sunnytyler001: Lolsunnytyler001 on December 26th, 2010 05:31 pm (UTC)
I fell asleep during that episode XD
Also: continuity & Moffat? The man doesn't know that word. Remember The Girl in the fireplace!
Also, we know now for sure he never watched "Father's day"... "DON't TOUCH THE BABY!", anyone? I was waiting for the reapers to appear... but nope, nothing!
And yeah, when Dumbeldore asked the Doctor about one last day with his true love and then when I saw the Doctor sad look, I thought "OMG!ROSE!" But then, I remembered it was written by Evil!Wizard!Moffat and... you know what he thinks about Rosie... (So, most likely, Eleven was thinking about Marilyn/Reinette/River/Romana/Gallifrey...)
But yeah, Amy/Rory were sweet. Not enough lines...
Actually, I felt like this episode was The Girl in the fireplace II... with Dumbeldore as Reinette and Amy & Rory as Rose & Mickey... Except here, the Doctor REMEMBERS he has companions (as Moffat likes HIS characters a bit more than he liked RTD's characters) *sighs*
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on December 26th, 2010 05:53 pm (UTC)
I fell asleep during that episode

Wow! Yeah.

Also: continuity & Moffat?

Yeah, continuity has always been his weakest point, in my opinion.

Actually, I felt like this episode was The Girl in the fireplace II... with Dumbeldore as Reinette and Amy & Rory as Rose & Mickey... Except here, the Doctor REMEMBERS he has companions (as Moffat likes HIS characters a bit more than he liked RTD's characters) *sighs*

Very, very good point. I can see it. :Nods:
Salienne de Lioncourtsalienne on December 26th, 2010 08:19 pm (UTC)
I didn't mind the Doctor's cluelessness so much this time, mainly because I can buy Eleven failing at something Ten and Nine did. I mean, when Amy was sobbing because Rory died, he had no clue what to do.

That said... yeah, plot holes and silliness galore. The bullshit with women was what bothered me the most this time (Women existing as their own people and not for men, women having agency? What are these silly things you speak of?)--typical freakin' Moffat.

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Arabian: Peter & Olivia01arabian on December 26th, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I can see that sorta being Eleven's thing, I guess.

But this: plot holes and silliness galore. The bullshit with women was what bothered me the most this time (Women existing as their own people and not for men, women having agency? What are these silly things you speak of?)--typical freakin' Moffat.

Uhm, yeah!
ruby_casparruby_caspar on December 26th, 2010 11:05 pm (UTC)
And what age were Abigail's family meant to be?? Her sister looked about 40, and if Abigail was frozen when the kid was younger than 13, she would have been frozen for at least 50 years, so her sister should have been Michael Gambon's age at least. And they went and visited them and they were the same age! Had they gone into the future...?? It was just so confusing, and like you say so full of plot-holes.

Upsides were Katherine Jenkins actually being a decent actress (a lovely surprise), Marilyn Monroe mentions (stupid but they made me giggle) and Amy and Rory in costume. But yeah, not great.
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on December 27th, 2010 12:39 am (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes, it's just all a bunch of WTF? questions once you actually start thinking about it. That to me (aside from character discontinuity from RTD's stuff during series 1-4) is Moffat's biggest flaw.

Upsides were Katherine Jenkins actually being a decent actress (a lovely surprise), Marilyn Monroe mentions (stupid but they made me giggle) and Amy and Rory in costume. But yeah, not great.

Ditto. :)

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Cindycorpsebride05 on December 27th, 2010 12:07 am (UTC)
Seconded!
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Cindy: Sherlock in prayercorpsebride05 on December 27th, 2010 02:35 am (UTC)
Breath-takingly Gorgeous! Your the twentieth person to notice!
Arabian: I ♥ RTDarabian on December 27th, 2010 12:37 am (UTC)
Ah, see TGitF is the episode (which upon rewatch) is what made me turn so much against Moffat. It's a fantastic stand-alone, but the lack of character continuity killed me dead.

I didn't hate it though, I was just disappointed. But with Moffat, that didn't surprise me, and I do know that many love him.
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Arabian: Dr Who (Painting)arabian on December 27th, 2010 01:32 am (UTC)
I wrote this in a way earlier post, but it explains what I mean about TGitF. (And, in case you don't know, I'm a HUGE Doctor/Rose shipper. Yeah, one of those, LOL! I also madly adore RTD.)

The tone, characterization of the Doctor and Rose just do NOT fit continuity-wise with the episodes prior and after it. The Doctor is written and acted as in love with Rose from mid-series-one on and it's ESPECIALLY obvious in the first three episodes of series two. And then all of a sudden he's all impressed and gaga and fancying this other woman, while Rose is left on her own and the Doctor doesn't seem to care.

Then he leaves Rose -- the episode AFTER he swears he will never leave her -- to jaunt off and save the woman (and history, yes, but it came off as if the history was just an afterthought, it was all about saving Reinette). Then he plans on bringing her aboard the TARDIS without any thought to how that would affect Rose. And then when he's too late and she died, he's all misty-eyed, emo and broken up over a chick he spent less than ten hours with total as if they had this great love story WHEN ROSE IS STANDING RIGHT THERE!

Finally, to top it all off, Rose didn't WANT Mickey to come with them at the end of the last episode -- which Steven Moffat would have known if he'd read the script for episode three ("School Reunion"), which he admitted he did not. Yet, at the end we have Rose looking all 'oh, poor Doctor, he lost his love,' while holding hands with Mickey as if they are still firmly entrenched as boyfriend and girlfriend.

Emotional and character lack of continuity, thy name is "Girl in the Fireplace." I watched the episode twice, I was bothered by that lack and it made me think of the Doctor as a complete git and I don't want to do that again. The sad thing is that it COULD and SHOULD have been perfectly placed in the series had Moffat had the Doctor use Reinette as he was using Mickey (and tried with Sarah Jane) in the last episode as a buffer between he and Rose. Or if even David Tennant had played it that way. That would have PERFECTLY carried over the emotional and character continuity, but instead, Moffat wrote and Tennant acted out a tragically beautiful love story between the Doctor and Madame Du Pompadour ... in between seventeen episodes prior and nine episodes and two more series' following of a love story between the Doctor and Rose Tyler.

So there's that for me. When I first watched it, I loved it, but that was before I had rewatched every episode in succession and saw the glaring character discontinuity. Then it just became an episode that while on its own was absolutely beautiful -- because it was -- as part of a series, showed that Moffat didn't care to pattern his episodes on what everyone else on the production staff was doing. If it didn't fit with his vision, oh well, he was going to do what he wanted.

Which is a good thing, since he was behind Sherlock and if I didn't like his style, messing with my favorite literary character would have had the potential to really backfire!

Well, I'm very glad for you! I know how heartbreaking it is when you love something and someone who you're not a fan of comes in and messes it up, so I'm glad that didn't happen for you. :)
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kilodaltonkilodalton on December 29th, 2010 12:01 am (UTC)
no one else has ever "walked through the door" into HIS mind, and I think that intrigued him

... I second everything arabian said. But to this particular point, this is another moment that seemed very out of character. The Doctor - Ten especially - is a very private individual. He doesn't open up easily. The Ten I know would have been horrified at a violation of trust like that, not intrigued -- he asked her permission to go inside her mind, had a life-or-death reason for it, told her how to avoid things being seen that she didn't want seen ... and then what does she do in return? Basically mind-rapes him out of sheer curiosity - it's an unconsensual violation of his mind.

I can't see Ten forgiving that, let alone going goo-goo-eyed over someone who would do that.
kilodaltonkilodalton on December 28th, 2010 11:56 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry you hated it.

I adored it. But then, ever since "The Girl in the Fireplace," I have adored Moffat. =)


Funny, that's when I started hating him!! XD
Cindy: Matt haircorpsebride05 on December 27th, 2010 12:06 am (UTC)
I respectfully disagree!

I thought it was achingly Beautiful!
Arabian: Dr Who (Eleven)arabian on December 27th, 2010 12:38 am (UTC)
I know you loved it, and I'm sure the majority are with you, but I was bored and it had a lot of eye-rolling moments for me. And like I said, my sister who's never watched Who, walked away, apologizing to me because she was so bored. :(
Jude: doctor who; amydanceonstardust on December 27th, 2010 07:04 am (UTC)
I was bored but yeah I loved it, but not as much as "The Eleventh Hour" which was a billion times better IMO. I cried at the end, and giggled at the parts involving Marilyn Monroe, non-existent chapel and the Doctor one-liners "BIG. Big Color". I was also miffed the sexist "oh, I'm a girl, I'm going to die in 8 days." tragedy. I don't really get it. The lack of the Doctor with Amy and Rory bothered me. If they were more involved, I swear I'd be less bored. No, they were in the Honeymoon outfits (seriously Moffat?) saving themselves and 4000 others from dying. (I know that sounds wrong) ./sarcasm

Also, what's with the women dying in voyage episodes such has Voyage of the Damned and this one? O.o

Oh, and all of a sudden, the Doctor doesn't have any clue on how to comfort a crying woman?!? What about Rose, or Martha, or Donna, or Amy, or the countless number of women he's comforted throughout the series? *Sigh* I couldn't even take pleasure in the belief that the Doctor was thinking of Rose when he was asked how he would spend one last day with his beloved because Moffat wrote this, so I don't think that was the intention, and because we'd had the whole episode informing us that the Doctor knows absolutely nothing about women, romance and love, I highly doubt we were supposed to think he was thinking of anything other than confusion. :rolls eyes:

I want to counter a theory on this. Yes, for Eleven, he barely knew what to do with Amy but in the end he tried to support her the best he can. As you seen the end of Cold Earth and Vincent and the Doctor. I think the Doctor had motive on this one. This man is a 900 year old alien, of course, he's not great into his feelings at some points. But in this one, he let Kazran (whatever his name is spelled like) have it. I mean, he's seen the obvious feelings of both so maybe he pretended that he "doesn't know". He is trying to make this old Miser very happy in the future. Why not involve a gorgeous woman who has feelings for him as well? (Yeah, that sounds about right with Moffat writing it and all) I think the Doctor pretended he doesn't know about respecting woman (hehe like Moffat! Then again he actually doesn't!) just for what's his name sake.

Side note: BTW, Matt raves about Moffat which just guts me but then he raves about RTD which delights me. I guess we can't all win lol.

I also vote for Richard Curtis to be the next producer of Doctor Who. VaTD still pwns every damn episode in last season and currently this one.

Did you see the preview btw? STETSON UNF (growing up in a TexMex family says a lot). NAKED RIVER (WTF?!SEXISM). UTAH. Also BEARD. And GORGEOUS AMY SHOT.

yeah... I really need to stay away from sugar right now. xD

Edited at 2010-12-27 07:18 am (UTC)
Arabian: Dr Who (Painting)arabian on December 30th, 2010 06:52 pm (UTC)
I've read posts from others that have actually pointed out even more egregious things so I just, I don't know. Moffat just sucks so much.

VaTD is one of THE finest DW eps ever, so I can NOT argue with Curtis taking over.
N.E. Star: Dr WhoTea Solves Everythingn_e_star on December 27th, 2010 05:04 pm (UTC)
I think this eps was like most Christmas goodies; light and fluffy, but don't really fill you up.
Arabian: Dr Who (10)arabian on December 30th, 2010 06:51 pm (UTC)
I've read a couple of posts that actually pointed out even worse stuff, like - the reaper thing - Old and young Karkazin hugged, what about in "Father's Day" when adult Rose touching baby Rose nearly destroyed the world? Or the fact that the Doctor didn't just pull the ship out of the clouds with the TARDIS as he'd pulled bigger ships, and oh, the entire planet Earth? Or the fact that the Doctor ignored all of those other people frozen?

Yeah, just not light and fluffy at all. And made the Doctor look horrible. Oh, Moffat. This is why I can't watch his episodes more than once, once doing so you see more and more plot holes just stick out. Sigh.
N.E. Star: Dr WhoTea Solves Everythingn_e_star on December 30th, 2010 07:29 pm (UTC)
The Doctor and so many others have crossed they own timelines and had contact with themselves without anything bad happening before that the Reaper thing in "Father's Day" had me scratching my head.

I thought it was because the Doctor and Rose had visited that moment several time it caused a weak point. That plus the change to the events is what brought the Reapers. The Rose's touching was just icing on the cake.

With Karkazin the changes were spread out over several years, so there was no one weak point for the Reapers to attack.

The TARDIS bit I hand wave by saying the Doctor would have rather turned the off the problem then just pull out the ship. After all, what about the next ship?

And I'm sure that once Karkazin changed for the better, he would take care of the others.
Arabian: Dr Who (Eleven)arabian on December 30th, 2010 07:32 pm (UTC)
That does all make sense, but I get frustrated when I have so many questions that have to hand-waved or explained away. It shouldn't be that much work to watch a show, but I know that many love him and his stuff; I'm just not one of them.
N.E. Star: Ever After Red Dressn_e_star on December 30th, 2010 07:50 pm (UTC)
I read one review that said something along the lines of "With all the writers that have worked on this show, who have ignored the others writer's canon, it's amazing that there is as much continuity as we've seen."
eolivet on January 3rd, 2011 01:20 pm (UTC)
Aww. I adored this. I actually didn't notice the plot holes until you brought them up (I got the feeling people were sort of "shamed" into not singing to the fish -- how Kazran's dad said "next you'll be singing to them," like only crazy people did that.)

I thought it was fine that they only brought her out on Christmas Eve, because the Doctor became like Kazran's "Santa" -- dispelling the notion that nobody keeps their promises. The Doctor promised to be there every Christmas Eve, and he was.

As for the Doctor comforting a crying woman, I got the feeling he was kind of playing dumb for Kazran's benefit. Kind of like a "Well, I've got no clue what to do -- you go help her, nudge, nudge, wink, wink." I was going to say that Eleven in particular has that sort of "you humans, I have no clue what you're all about!" in a way that Ten really wasn't -- but if he's comforted Amy, I guess that only goes so far.

What I might've enjoyed most about this was the idea that the Doctor couldn't "fix" Kazran -- that despite all his best intentions, Kazran still grew up to be a thoughtless miser, albeit for different reasons. We don't really see the Doctor "fail" that often -- but it was his faith in human nature and the human spirit, and his love of humanity, that kept him trying, but it was Kazran himself who ultimately had to change.

(And I didn't miss Amy much at all, especially since she comes with Rory -- who I find beyond useless. He was only less irritating here because he had so little screentime. :x )

Plus, this wasn't nearly as "supernatural" as previous Christmas eps, and I kind of loved that, too. The setting reminded me of early RTD -- Earth, with a supernatural twist. Fish in the fog was just a neat visual, and that it was the humans (not the alien fish) that were the "bad guys" here...I don't know. It was just a better story to have the Doctor have to save the human race essentially from itself, and not some Alien Big Bad.

You know I've never been a huge Moffat fan, but I think he fails to do continuous story very well, or take continuity into account, A Christmas special, which is sort of self-contained, is the perfect avenue for him and I thought it showed here. I felt 10 times more emotion for his characters in this hour (plus) than I did during any ep of S5.
Arabian: Dr Who (Eleven)arabian on January 15th, 2011 03:03 am (UTC)
I don't know, I know many did love it, I wanted to, but, yeah, it just didn't work for me. Maybe part of the problem is that I didn't feel the joy at any point, alas. :(