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09 December 2010 @ 10:52 pm
2.11 - 'By the Light of the Moon' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Ho-hum, my Vampire Diaries thoughts.

This is actually going to be short (for me and Vampire Diaries) because for the first time, I'm really quite disappointed in a Vampire Diaries episode. I'm still shocked that I am. Other than the Tyler/Caroline and Elijah scenes, the show just kinda ... sat there. Why was I disappointed, let me count the ways:

1.) I don't care if Rose dies. I really do not care. I'm wondering now (considering they named her initial episode, "Rose") if the show thought that viewers would react to Rose the way they have other recurring characters (Alaric, Anna, Pearl, etc.) and be like noooo! Because they know she isn't in the main cast, therefore could die easily. But the thing is that I don't care about her, and based on what I've read here and there, not many people care whether she lives or dies. So as a cliffhanger, that really kinda blew.

ETA: Wow, the longer preview is REALLY laying on Damon cares about Rose thick. *sigh* Not really digging that. And, yes, that is the Damon/Elena shipper in me talking.

Edited again: Actually, no, it's not, it's my Damon fangirl. I'm fine with Damon being emo and ultra-protective over Elena (and Stefan) because they are his Achilles' heel, but to have him that way over random vampire chick he's bedding? No, no, no. Not Damon. Damnit. Keep him cool and awesome-sarcastic boy with everyone else.

2.) I was convinced that there just HAD to be more to the Stefan/Katherine stuff because story-wise, I simply could not see them cutting off the head of the Stefan/Elena story at this point. Would it have been in character for Stefan to give in to Katherine? To a point, based on all the set-up, I do think so. I think it would have been a tough sell, but I think the show could have pulled it off. However, story-wise, no, it just didn't jibe, so I knew there had to be SOMETHING there. And, of course, there was. It was all a dream, Katherine putting it in his head. The entirety of the preview that got folks all worked up was all we got, and all in his head.

Which brings us to my biggest problem with this whole Stefan in the tomb. WHY?!?!?!? What was the friggin' point? Nothing happened because he was in there, and this is where I think the writers really dropped the ball. They set it up for viewers to think that something would happen with Stefan/Katherine. It didn't. They set it up for viewers to think that with Stefan out of the way, things might/maybe change with Damon and Elena, the two growing closer. It didn't. Stefan was out by episode's end, after Damon and Elena had spent exactly ONE short scene together where they didn't actually have much genuine interaction. I'm not complaining about the fact that Stefan got out, or that nothing happened with Stefan/Katherine (although, the S/K fangirl in me would have liked that). I'm not even complaining that we didn't get much Damon/Elena. I'm complaining because THE SHOW set it up to think that something was going to happen based on Stefan in the tomb, and absolutely nothing happened. There was no forward story momentum, other than, uhm, okay, I guess Stefan and Elena *are* back together. Really, what was the point? The show set up expectations (fairly huge ones) and completely tossed them out like last week's trash.

3.) I don't care about Luka. I don't know him well enough. I don't care. So much time was spent on him that could have been spent on characters I care about (or Bonnie bonding with Jeremy, not Luka). And the moonstone was not un-moonstoned and Elijah's minions have it. With nothing else of substance (oh, right, Rose was potentially fatally bit ... yawn), just not a big enough of deal. Furthermore, it just made Bonnie look rather stupid to me that she gave the moonstone then to Luka. Why? And why would she trust someone that quickly, that easily with the lives of almost everyone she cares about potentially on the line?

4.) Yes, the Tyler transformation stuff was excellent (easily the best part of the episode), but it was very anti-climactic. Again, nothing happened. He transformed, and stayed locked in the dungeon. It was very well-done and moving, but nothing actually happened story-wise. We knew he was going to transform. He did. And ... that was it. Yes, Tyler and Caroline's relationship deepened, but considering that nothing else of substance (oh, right, Rose ... don't care) happened in the entire episode, it wasn't enough.

5.) The Elijah deal. Yes, all the Elijah scenes were great, but again, they were anti-climactic. So, uhm, Elijah's deal is that he wants Elena and co. to do ... nothing? Ooh, exciting. Or not.

Aside from the fact that this was a weak episode, it was -- after the season finale and season premiere -- the one episode that needed to HIT! because we've got five weeks before a new episode. This did not HIT!, it didn't even slightly push. I'm left with absolutely no burning desire to see what happens next, other than my general love of the show. Now last week? Last week would have been a FABULOUS episode to break on before their hiatus. So many OMG! questions! GET ME TO NEXT WEEK YESTERDAY PLEASE, KTHANXBAI!!!

1) What would happen with Damon and Elena with Stefan out of the picture?
2) What would happen with Stefan and Katherine with Stefan locked in there with her?
3) How will Tyler and the transformation go?
4) Will Caroline get caught in the crossfire and get bit?
5) Will Damon get caught in the crossfire and get bit?
6) Why did Elijah let Elena and Damon go?
7) What's going to happen with Bonnie and her worsening reaction to strong magic use?
8) Just how far down the emo road will Jeremy travel due to Bonnie's rejection?

This week comes, and we got answers to all of the above and they were ...

1) Nothing.
2) Nothing.
3) Badly, but no repercussions.
4) No.
5) No.
6) So they could do nothing.
7) Nothing.
8) Not at all.

Really, show? Really?!?!?

Now, I did like a few things ...

- "Vampire Barbie." UTTER PERFECTION!
- The Tyler first arm snapping, his reaction, all of that stuff, Caroline/Tyler ... fantastic!
- Elijah. UTTER PERFECTION!
- Aww, Alaric doesn't want Damon to die.
- Double aww, Damon listened to Alaric.
- Rose's "special friend" response was amusing.

And that's about it.

Oh, and not a like or dislike, but dang, poor Ian Somerhalder. Boy is so clearly sick as a dog. :(

As for the preview for upcoming episode? Why would Rose even say that to Elena about loving both of them (presumably Stefan and Damon)? Elena's response should be (if the names weren't specified): "No, Matt and I broke up ages ago. We're just friends." As much as I adore Damon and Elena, girl is nowhere near -- NOWHERE NEAR! -- even remotely "love" and "Damon Salvatore," I don't care how many times he was included in her "people I care about/love" speeches last week. It was a generalization. I'm a die-hard Elena/Damon fan and I don't buy for a second that she loves Damon. Is intrigued? Feels a connection that she does not want to? Is hot for him? Has tender feelings that she refuses to acknowledge because of what it means? Sure to all of the above, but love? Hell to the no.

With that said, one meh episode out of eleven is not bad at all, especially when the other ten we're pretty much durn great to (a much bigger majority of them being) AMAZING, but that that one episode is the fall finale with five weeks of no new episodes to come? So very frustrating.

Show, I am writing words I did not think I would write this early in our relationship: I am disappointed. :(

ETA: I rewatched the episode after the season ended during my season 2rewatch and had much kinder thoughts that I'll add here.

Boy, oh, boy, did "By the Light of the Moon" improve upon a rewatch and sandwiched nicely within the other episodes with no expectations. It really was a strong, solid episode with strong performances. Everyone was in character, and the issues I had with it the first go-round were all gone. Again, no expectations, straight into the next episode and how so much in it offered foreshadowing of what was to come was actually pretty durn brilliant in hindsight.
 
 
 
Mitten: pokemon 2sugarsyringe on December 10th, 2010 04:16 am (UTC)
I have to say that I'm greatly amused. My own review of the show contains almost the same things as yours.

As for the show, all in all, I share your opinion pretty much. It was disapointing!
Let's not care about Rose until January ;)
Talking about her, I wonder, is there even... one Rose fan out there?
Arabian: Damon03arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
Apparently, there are about three or four Rose fans, LOL!

I dunno; I'm hoping to rewatch s1 and all of s2 in the next few weeks. Maybe it will play better without the expectations. :shrugs:
luna: When I Tell the Punchline Wrongluna301 on December 10th, 2010 04:39 am (UTC)
LOL. I just finished posting on my journal about how extremely lame Rose is and how boring all the Bonnie/Luka stuff was.

I so agree about the writers setting up all these guns and deciding not to fire any. What was the point? I don't get it.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline01arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:02 pm (UTC)
Rose is just so lame. That's a HUGE part of the problem. HUGE. Had this been Anna or Pearl after we'd seen them in four or five episodes last season, I think there would have been a whole bigger level of caring. Rose? Not so much. And Bonnie/Luka? Ugh. God, show, you actually got me to ship Bonnie and Jeremy. GO WITH IT!

the writers setting up all these guns and deciding not to fire any.

OMG! Perfect description. Perfect.
summerofsoaps: carly bitch pleasesummerofsoaps on December 10th, 2010 04:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, it was definitely a meh episode. The only thing I really liked were the Tyler/Caroline scenes. But even those could have been better... I would have loved to see Matt after he showed up at Caroline's to find Tyler there last week!

I like Rose. She's not my favorite character of all time, but I think she's ok. I guess the thing if she does die is that it will set up danger for Caroline because it turns out werewolf bites are fatal to vampires, but then again, we thought that last week, believed for two seconds that they weren't, and now we're right back to where we started.

Not only do I not like nor care about Luka, I don't think he's a very good actor, and because he's been a boring character on the Young and the Restless for years, I'm all, "Devon! Get away from my show! The only time you've ever been remotely interesting was when you were in love with your aunt." Hmmm... maybe Bonnie could be his aunt. That would be a hell of a lot better than that "all witches are FAMILY" mumbo jumbo he's feeding her.

ITA, this is not a high note to leave us on until mid-January. :(

On the bright side, I totally need a "Vampire Barbie" icon now, lol.
imelda72: kara smoking glassesimelda72 on December 10th, 2010 10:36 am (UTC)
Yay! I like Rose, too. I think she's an interesting contrast between how much she values loyalty-- sticking by whatshisface for 500 years-- and cowardice when confronted. I sympathize with her habit of running away, and I hope to see her grow as a person.

It's also nice to see Damon making a friend, of course!
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Jude: tvd; damon and elenadanceonstardust on December 10th, 2010 05:21 am (UTC)
You and I, again, MIND TWINS. Seriously, I know how you feel. Anti-Climatic should have been the episode's name and waste an awesome name for it. BOO.

It was BORING

I went all "Squee!" when Tyler turned into a wolf, DAMN IT, I'm a wolf fan.

Tyler/Caroline, holy crap, I ship it. Damn it, I tried hard not to but I can't help it!

I seriously have a crush on Elijah hehe! If you see the movie Bride and Prejudice, you get to hear Daniel Gillies full on accent and see him shirtless, wet, coming out of water which strikes me odd because that's a Darcy moment. He may play the bastard Wickham but hell, be brings the UNF to the movie.

You got to admit, one of the best moments was the D/E scene though. It's tiny but memorable. OMG, Jeremy in this epi is kickass.

Everything else... eh.
Vickie: TVD - Elena Hip Cocksarcasticcheese on December 10th, 2010 02:03 pm (UTC)
*brb, renting Bride and Prejudice*

After this episode, I TOTALLY ship Tyler/Caroline. HARD.

And after the last several episodes, I'm totally riding the Jeremy train. Hell, I'm practically standing next to the Engineer driving the bad boy. I don't know when it happened, but McQueen got HAWT. And I love that Jeremy isn't Whiny!Emo!Brat like he was last year. Take!Charge Jeremy is so much hotter.
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sweetiegrrl2346sweetiegrrl2346 on December 10th, 2010 05:38 am (UTC)
You know, I'm usually pretty Pollyanna when it comes to this show, making lemons out of lemonade and all that. But I gotta agree with you 100% on this one.

The episode ended and I just sat there and thought, "Huh, so this is what it feels like to be disappointed by this show." Gotta tell you, it's not a good feeling.

Maybe it is because I'm used to such a high level of excellence from this show, but the meh-ness of this episode disappointed me so much that I actually felt pain thinking that this would be how I had to remember TVD for the next 2 months.

I agree with you completely on pretty much all your criticisms. Yes, Dalaric, T/C and Elijah were awesome, but Luka/Bonnie was a waste of screentime, and why the f*@$ did they even bother sticking Stefan in the tomb?! Just to give Elena a reason to un-break-up with him? This reasoning just does not compute with me. :(

I'm past Rose-apathy and have moved onto full blown Rose-hate. I was actually cheering when Damon found her at the boarding house because then I knew she'd get bit. I was literally yelling "Kill her!" at my TV screen, lol. And ITA with you about the D/R thing - it's all well and good for him to screw her, but she is in no way deserving of his affection and devotion. That is reserved for Elena and Stefan! Guh, watching the way Damon smiled at her in that last scene made me ill. Can't wait til she's dead. Actually the only good thing to come from her storyline is that when she *does* die a horrible death, it'll set up some real suspense if/when one of our beloved vamps gets bitten later in the season.

I think I need to cool off still, because apparently I'm pretty angry and I'm not used to that with this show. Hopefully it won't be so bad tomorrow. At least T/C were cute as Hell, and Elijah looks like he's gonna be one badass mother#&!@.

I guess I'll just rewatch the Community Christmas special until I feel better. ;)
Arabian: Damon & Elena04arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:33 pm (UTC)
I am SO Pollyanna when it comes to this show which is why I was SHOCKED that I was so disappointed. :(

The episode ended and I just sat there and thought, "Huh, so this is what it feels like to be disappointed by this show." Gotta tell you, it's not a good feeling.

THIS SO MUCH!

Well, I still like Rose (to a degree), I just don't care about her enough to care whether she lives or dies when there's a FIVE-WEEK HIATUS COMING UP!

ITA with you about the D/R thing - it's all well and good for him to screw her, but she is in no way deserving of his affection and devotion. That is reserved for Elena and Stefan! Guh, watching the way Damon smiled at her in that last scene made me ill.

I'm sure you saw the Kevin quote about this, so I'm feeling MUCH better there.

Can't wait til she's dead. Actually the only good thing to come from her storyline is that when she *does* die a horrible death, it'll set up some real suspense if/when one of our beloved vamps gets bitten later in the season.

Erm, don't hold your breath, re: her death. :(

As for this episode, sigh, I am hopeful a rewatch of all of s1 and the first 11 eps of s2 in a row --and without any high expectations for this ep -- will help it play better. That's the plan the last two weeks of this year.
Teeforeign_origin on December 10th, 2010 05:58 am (UTC)
The whole Stefan in the tomb thing was a huge disappointment on every possible level. I'm just gonna forget about it now because what's the point.

I disagree about Tyler's transformation though, the idea was to show us how horrible it is, they even invented Mason's diary in the last ep just for his purpose and I'm happy with it. And waiting for the next one. When Tyler will hopefully know Damon killed Mason.
Vickie: Ian - Damon Cheerssarcasticcheese on December 10th, 2010 02:06 pm (UTC)
the idea was to show us how horrible it is

I agree with this 100%! I don't think anything was supposed to happen with Tyler. I don't think he was supposed to get out and wreak havoc on Mystic Falls THIS time. The whole purpose was for him to get through his first transformation and for us to see what it was like, and the show did just that.
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tams71tams71 on December 10th, 2010 06:48 am (UTC)
Ho hum, meh, boring, anti-climactic. All these words describe this week's episode. The only things that saved it for me and kept me watching were the Tyler/Caroline scenes and waiting to hear what zingers would pass across Damon's lips.

Michael and Candice were great and do a hell of a job playing off one another. They have great chemistry and such a natural vibe about them. If it had not been for their scenes, I would have simply dvred the show and watched it this weekend instead of watching it live.

"Vampire Barbie" and "I've been marked. What the hell kind of wolf throwdown crap was that?" Damon, you slay me, I want to have your little vampire babies :) You have to hand it to Ian; sick as a dog and he was still bringing it as best he could with the material he was given.

Rose is back? Ugh! First she runs off like a scared child when Elijah appeared at Slater's, then she slinks back into Mystic Falls basically groveling at Damon's feet, and then she cries like a baby after Jules bites her. Is she really even a vampire? She has more human emotions than Elena for Pete’s sake, and Elena is being stalked by supposedly unkillable vampires. God, can this chick just die already? That's my Christmas wish. The only redeeming qualities that she has is (1) she knows she's just a fuck buddy for Damon and (2) that she wants to help Damon protect the woman he loves. Not that she'll help much, what with all the running away and crying she does. The End.

Stefan and Elena. Who cares. Same old boring story.

Stefan and Katherine. Missed opportunities to shake things up. Fail!

Elijah is a rock star! Love him! I had a feeling that his plan was to protect Elena so he could use her to take Klaus down in the end. I'm sure he'll fail and die trying, but all in all, he's a pretty cool undead dude and he has manners, look at that.

Luka and Bonnie. LAME! I was almost totally on her side again and then she does something stupid like hand over her fate and the fate of her friends to some not cute warlock. Not cool. And might I add, all these Luka/Bonnie weird almost like sex channeling sessions seriously make me want to vomit.

Like you and many other people I'm sure, I don't feel the same anticipation and excitement for the next episode like I did after last year’s mid-season finale. Right now I'm longing to see the episode that has a naked Damon/Ian in a bathtub surrounded by bubbles, basking in the candlelight and enjoying a glass of wine. But please God, don't let Rose be in that tub with him. I will drown the bitch :)

luvbama: damonluvbama on December 10th, 2010 05:20 pm (UTC)
You are SO my new favorite! Loved these comments:

- Damon, you slay me, I want to have your little vampire babies :)

- God, can this chick just die already? That's my Christmas wish.

- Not that she'll help much, what with all the running away and crying she does. The End.

- But please God, don't let Rose be in that tub with him. I will drown the bitch :)

Seriously, TVD should hire you to write brilliant one-liners. :)

Last night's episode was a miss...and a mess. It just didn't work on so many levels, and because of this I can't make myself be excited about the next episode. Plus, it appears the episode will have yet another snooze-inducing S&E make-out scene. S&E are in love, they are epic, blahblah. I get it; message received. The message bores me to tears.
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ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries--Damon/Elenaamberfocus on December 10th, 2010 10:16 am (UTC)
Hmm...well, I'm totally not on the same page for a change. I actually loved this episode. I am shipping Tyler/Caroline so hard now and I absolutely adored the interaction between them. I thought it made the show. Caroline just cares so much and it was lovely to see her reaction to all of Tyler's pain. I thought the fact that they showed it more through her eyes was way better than if they had showed the entire transformation of Tyler.

And I really liked the introduction of the new werewolf Jewel. She had so much chemistry with Damon that I could actually see something happening there eventually. The Damon/Rose relationship is stilted, mostly because the actress playing Rose isn't very good, like she doesn't believe in her character, plus she seems physically mismatched to Damon. But I could really get behind a Damon/Jewel relationship. I know, I know, Damon/Elena, but in lieu of that, if he has to be stripping down and sleeping with anyone, it should be a girl he had more chemistry with in a few minutes than he's had in the several eps with Rose since she showed up.

Someone really needs to tell Jenna what's going on in Mystic Falls so she will stop letting strange men into the house. Or maybe explain to her the practicalities of letting strange men into the house...like most reasonable single women would not probably do.

Stefan and Elena were very cute at the end. They may not be my primary ship but they are freaking adorable. Not oh, my gosh, sexy hot, but still pretty darling.

And was that a new haircut on Ian? It seemed less floppy and shorter than usual.
Vickie: Ian - Damon Really Nowsarcasticcheese on December 10th, 2010 02:13 pm (UTC)
Ian could have chemistry with a wet blanket, but I personally didn't see anything OMG between Damon & Jules. She was another character that I was just EH about. Nothing about her drew me to her and I really don't want to see her and Damon hook up. I'd rather see him with Rose than with Jules. I almost laughed at her delivery of "You've been marked." It wasn't threatening enough and I had the same reaction Damon did to the line. Maybe that was intentional, but I just didn't like the character.

Stefan and Elena were "cute" but I am so over them.

I do agree with you that someone needs to clue Jenna in. Although with all the hot men that seem to be wandering around Mystic Falls and showing up at her door, I guess I can't blame her for letting them into the house. ;)

And I totally ship Tyler/Caroline now too. Those scenes were the best part of the otherwise meh episode.
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Vickie: TVD - Dalaric/Elenasarcasticcheese on December 10th, 2010 01:29 pm (UTC)
Just a quick thing and I'll come back and finish reading this....

Julie and Kevin (at least per the interview I just read) are kinda pissed at the CW for that promo. They don't understand why they set up the promo to insinuate there was going to be Cave!Sex between Stefan & Katherine. The writers & producers have nothing to do with the promos. That's all The CW.

Ok, I gotta go work. I'll be back to read this later!

ETA: Ok, I guess I did my commenting in responding to other people. Now I'm really going to go do some work. ;)

Edited at 2010-12-10 02:14 pm (UTC)
Arabian: DE & Alaric01arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:24 pm (UTC)
Heh, yeah, your commenting in the comments gave me an idea of where you stand (aside from the phone convos too, LOL!).

I get Julie and Kevin being pissed about the promo, but to be fair, THEY set-up all expectations pretty big-time themselves.
Beccy: VD ~ Damon1epic_love on December 10th, 2010 02:26 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately ... I agree, so disappointing :(
Arabian: Damon01arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah. :sigh: I'm hoping a rewatch of all of s1 and the first 11 eps of s2 in a row (and without any high expectations for this ep) will help it play better. Hoping anyway.
eolivet on December 10th, 2010 02:58 pm (UTC)
I was so excited for this ep, because I'd heard all about those fabulous TVD cliffhangers. Though I have to disagree with you here:

Last week would have been a FABULOUS episode to break on before their hiatus.

Because nothing is more annoying than a cliffhanger with a lame ending. I'm much happier they aired this ep now, rather than January 27. I'd be darn near throwing things at the TV if they aired this ep in a month, after getting hyped up for a month with speculation, and then being all "That's IT?!"

Is intrigued? Feels a connection that she does not want to? Is hot for him? Has tender feelings that she refuses to acknowledge because of what it means? Sure to all of the above, but love? Hell to the no.

This. (And I haven't even finished all of S1 yet). That sort of annoyed me, as well, because it seems like it's supposed to be Words of Wisdom from Rose the Dying Vampire. The only thing I can possibly think of is maybe it plants a seed in Elena's head, forces her to confront her feelings even if they're not love. Eh, I'm reaching here.

Is it silly to say I'm glad you were as disappointed as I was? At least I have 1x19 today to (hopefully!) cheer me up. :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:22 pm (UTC)
I'd heard all about those fabulous TVD cliffhangers.

Yeah, forget what that person said on your journal. Last season's fall finale was awesome. Of course, we knew Elena wasn't going to die in the car, but she'd just found out about Katherine, there had been someone stalking her (not Stefan this time) and we had no clue what the guy would do with/to her. It wasn't whether she'd live or die, it was what follow-up would we get to that stuff. (And the follow-up was AWESOME! Can one say "Bloodlines?")

Well, I say last week would have been a fabulous ender, not knowing the lame follow-up. Yeah, knowing the follow-up, it would have been dreadful, but we all would have been freaking out/flailing going insane for the five weeks. And yeah, lame follow-up, but it would have been followed immediately by a batch of eps that would likely quickly make up for this ep.

seems like it's supposed to be Words of Wisdom from Rose the Dying Vampire.

I don't know if you go into the spoiler-marked posts, so I'll share this with you because it's not really spoilery. I'm feeling much better about the Rose aspect after this Kevin Williamson quote.
""Rose and Damon aren't meant to be together. She is a mirror into his humanity. She came in, helped him out, gave him some information and is now saying, we’ll never love each other because you’re in love with Elena. It’s all about Elena – the whole point of Rose is to throw up a mirror and let Damon see what he is. She’s so open about Damon loving Elena. Rose is just one more step in Damon’s journey."
So I can deal with that aspect now MUCH better.

Is it silly to say I'm glad you were as disappointed as I was?

Not at all.

At least I have 1x19 today to (hopefully!) cheer me up. :D

Oh, lucky you. I want a full long response from you about it. You can check out my post on it (my very first live TVD reaction post!) here and respond with all of your thoughts. I soooo want to read!

Edited at 2010-12-11 03:44 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - eolivet on December 11th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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torilane: stefan.torilane on December 10th, 2010 07:11 pm (UTC)
I agree with you. Especially because I really don't care about Rose either lol.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:12 pm (UTC)
The odd thing is that I do like Rose, but yeah, I don't care about her. I don't dislike or hate her or anything, and her uber-lameness amuses me at this point, but yeah, I just don't care if she lives or dies when there are so many awesome characters around her.
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tams71tams71 on December 11th, 2010 01:24 am (UTC)
OMG! I totally forgot to mention the awesomeness that is Dalaric. The bar scene was cheesy and so blatantly obvious, but damn are they hilarious. Best bromance EVER :)

Matt Davis is so underused. Thank God they have plans for him to shine coming up.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric01arabian on December 11th, 2010 03:13 pm (UTC)
Damon and Alaric are fantastic, but when we're still getting only bits and pieces eleven episodes in, I can't help but be disappointed. I want more. But I DID love Alaric being all concerned for Damon's safety ... and Damon listening to him. Awww!!!
crowandfogcrowandfog on December 11th, 2010 08:45 pm (UTC)
I agree with pretty much everything you said. The entire episode was a huge letdown, especially the scenes in the tomb. So much potential was wasted.

I didn't see you mention the scene between Damon, Elena, and Jeremy when Damon makes a joke, Elena throws a pillow at him, and Jeremy laughs hysterically. I thought that was pretty cute. It wasn't a Damon/Elena moment exactly, but I thought it went a long way toward showing that the Damon/Elena freeze-out was officially over. Plus, I think it's nice that all of these characters seemed to have formed a happy little dysfunctional family of sorts. I mean, Damon and Bonnie were working together!

Thought it was funny when Alaric asked where Mason was, Damon said he was rotting in the truck, and Alaric just rolled his eyes. He is soooo morally gray now! (Of course, you have to be though to be best friends with Damon Salvatore.) Also loved that Alaric was so obviously concerned for Damon's welfare. "Don't risk it! Go home, lock your doors, and we'll deal with it tomorrow." It warmed my heart even more than when Alaric called Damon "buddy" in "Memory Lane."
Arabian: Damon&Alaric03arabian on December 12th, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)
The entire episode was a huge letdown, especially the scenes in the tomb. So much potential was wasted.

Yup. It was a letdown. *sigh*

The DE scene with Jeremy, yeah, I was kinda including that whole bit with my "Vampire Barbie" comment in my mind. I didn't realize that I hadn't actually commented on it in my post, LOL! I did enjoy the scene, it was just so much less than we were led to believe we would get.

Also loved that Alaric was so obviously concerned for Damon's welfare. "Don't risk it! Go home, lock your doors, and we'll deal with it tomorrow."

I know I mentioned that part. LOVED IT! And that Damon listened to him. AWWW! So much love for that.
lacrimadraconis: TVD Damon Elena huglacrimadraconis on December 11th, 2010 11:27 pm (UTC)
Hm. I'm actually surprised that there are so many negative reactions concerning this episode. Personally, I really liked it.
It wasn't squeeworthy and OMGAWESOME, but not every episode can be, not even TVD can manage to keep that up. But I wasn't disappointed. Then again, I mabye focused on some other aspects, especially where Rose was concerned, so it didn't bother me at all.

And I'm sure the nearer January 27th will get, the more excited you'll be to finally see the show returning :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on December 12th, 2010 04:40 pm (UTC)
It wasn't squeeworthy and OMGAWESOME, but not every episode can be

As I said in my op (and it seems to be the underlying reason that many who generally adore the show were so negative), the reason for our disappointment is because while it's true that not every episode can be, we rather expected that the last episode before a five-week hiatus would be an episode that would be "squeeworthy and OMGAWESOME." Especially as those types of episodes are very much the rule rather than the exception when it comes to this show. Had we two or three more episodes after this, I have no doubt that the disappointment/negativity would be much lessened.

And I'm sure the nearer January 27th will get, the more excited you'll be to finally see the show returning :)

Oh, I have no doubt, I'll be excited. I'm excited now. As I said above, "other than my general love of the show." That still remains alive, strong and kicking. It's just that this specific episode has me wondering about absolutely nothing mostly because the only cliffhanger is 'will Rose die? Will they come up with a way to save a vampire from a werewolf bite?' And while I like Rose, I don't care enough about her to care whether she lives or dies. Had she never come back after running away in "The Sacrifice," I wouldn't have missed her presence at all. I wouldn't have said good riddance, but wouldn't have missed her either.

As for the second, that's been a question since the information about how a werewolf bite is fatal to a vampire was introduced in episode three, so it's nothing new. And since there's zero likelihood that either Damon or Stefan (and almost definitely Caroline) would actually die from a werewolf bite, it's not one that had me guessing. Of course, they'll find a way. Period.

Edited at 2010-12-12 04:42 pm (UTC)
Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau.: Grace that won who saw to wish her stayimp3ratrix on December 12th, 2010 12:47 am (UTC)
I'm loving the slow build up of Tyler/Caroline. I'm a little disappointed that Matt isn't getting as much love as he deserves, but their dynamic really engages the audience and their growing feelings too come across as genuine. I'm really interested to see where the writers take them.

Completely agree with you in regards to Luka. And I'm actually disappointed Bonnie isn't spending as much time with Jeremy.

Elijah. UTTER PERFECTION!
THIS. I love that man so much!
Arabian: Caroline02arabian on December 12th, 2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
I do think they're doing a good build-up of Tyler/Caroline. The writing is definitely there, alas, I don't think that Candice Accola and Michael Trevino have any great chemistry to write home about.

I'm actually disappointed Bonnie isn't spending as much time with Jeremy.

I KNOW! Color me shocked, but so true.

THIS. I love that man so much!

Sigh, Elijah. Love him.
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Damon/Elenabutterfly on January 2nd, 2011 05:12 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I can see how it would be disappointing that they didn't go to any of the places that "The Sacrifice" implied they might (and now that I'm watching real-time, I will get to see the 'joy' of waiting and possibly building up expectations. Ha).

I actually really liked the Rose/Damon thing because we basically know two big things about Rose:

a. She's powered by fear. She will run.
However,
b. She is loyal.

I will cop to being somewhat of a Rose fan. But I do think that she should die in 2x12. If they fix the danger of the wolf bite this quickly... what was the point of bringing it up? And, with three of the main cast being vampires, we need a threat to those vampires to be out there and existing.

When we only had one good vampire in the main cast (Stefan), he was being balanced out by having Damon on the other side. Once Damon shifted over to being more on Stefan and Elena's side, we had all these other threats showing up. And now we have Caroline, too. There really needs to be a powerful anti-vampire threat out there to balance things out, I think. So, I think that the werewolf bite should be fatal.

I really liked the Damon and Alaric friendship in this episode. It was nice to see him genuinely concerned about Damon's safety.

re: Damon/Elena

I'm glad she's gotten back to being willing to say that she cares about Damon. That's actually huge to me, considering what he did to Jeremy. I'm not so worried about them at the moment because it's such a slow-burn and building relationship. If their relationship stops progressing, then I will worry.

re: Stefan/Elena

It actually doesn't feel so overwhelming to me. I think that's because it's rarely anything close to being as intense as Damon/Elena. There are some moments, but it mostly seems like the sort of melodramatic high school romance that passes in time.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric01arabian on January 2nd, 2011 05:31 pm (UTC)
See, I don't dislike Rose/Damon, I just ... I wish the actress had more charisma. I think that's it. I do think that I could really like Rose, and the set-up of the Rose/Damon relationship, but the actress is just pretty durn bland. *sigh*

I'm thinking that we may have figured it out yesterday with that side -- if that's even part of a scene they're using, so yeah, 2.12 might be it for her.

Damon and Alaric are BFFS 4-EVA!!!

Damon/Elena are uber-adorable, and awesome, and hot, and sexy and funny.

Stefan and Elena? Well, yeah, you summed up my problem with them this season:

There are some moments, but it mostly seems like the sort of melodramatic high school romance that passes in time.

Yuppers. :)

Edited at 2011-01-02 05:31 pm (UTC)
Alisha: Dr. Who (Rose) Pink and Yellow Gleekalishaka on January 9th, 2011 12:21 am (UTC)
Rose has too badass of a name to be as lame as she is! That is why she gets to die...and I won't even care.
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on January 9th, 2011 12:32 am (UTC)
And that there was the problem with their cliffhanger.

I won't even care.

So few do.