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13 November 2010 @ 01:02 pm
2.09 - 'Katerina' (The Vampire Diaries)  
I've had a hellacious couple of days, so this will be fairly short (for me).



- I found it interesting the way Elena was with Damon in their one scene with just the two of them. Considering that the last interaction we saw between them -- that Elena is aware of -- Damon had just saved her and they'd shared the mouthed "you're welcome/thank you" moment. She just seemed oddly off? tense? I don't know, but it was something enough that it makes me wonder if we'll find out in a later episode that she was drinking vervain tea or something related and thus was not compelled to forget Damon's declaration.

- I don't know if it's because I'm much more into Damon/Elena or the non-stop OTT angst between Stefan and Elena, but I am officially, completely over them. I tend to think it's the latter, though, because I liked Stefan and Elena through all of season one, and by the time "Miss Mystic Falls" rolled around, I was so very hard on the Damon/Elena train ... yet that episode features one of my favorite Stefan/Elena moments (their version of the dance). I think it's just that last season there were a lot of other teenage stories going around so Stefan/Elena didn't stick out, but this season, there's so little teenage stuff that when they start in on it, I'm just done.

- "I'll be the safest, psychotic bitch in town." Seriously, I love Katherine so much. She's frickin' awesome! And, yay, for this episode proving I was right about her. (And about vampire-changes in general as specified by Stefan to Caroline in "Bad Moon Rising"). I wrote in my write-up of the entire first season after rewatching it a fourth time regarding Isobel's contention that human life means nothing to her.

So cold, such a perfect illustration of what a vampire with that humanity switch shut completely off is like, but one who's not inherently a cruel person. As I rather assume that Katherine is. Meaning that in life, she was probably a cold-hearted bitch and being a vampire just brought it to the fore. Because even while being cruel, you see strains of the good people they were in Isobel, Damon, Pearl, Anna and Stefan. Of all of the vampires we've met, I think that only Katherine and Frederic were nasty pieces of work in life as well as undeath.
And here we have it. Katherine was a selfish, vindictive slut even way back in the early 1400's. Sleeping around (Katherine's comment -- "My indiscretions were not tolerated at that time" -- rather pointed to more than one naughty occasion), using Trevor's love for her, setting up Rose and Trevor to take Klaus' vengeance. Yeah, that Katherine, ALWAYS a piece of work. AWESOME!

- YAY! My Bonnie is absolutely back. THIS is the character I fell in love with the first half of season one. Her return began a few episodes ago, and it's in full swing now. She was just sparkling and delightful, and dangit, I like her and Jeremy now. Show? DO NOT KILL BONNIE! And Bonnie? Jeremy is way hotter than Luka. (Although, his apparently evil daddy, on the other hand ... mmhmm, love me a man in glasses! Hot!) Speaking of, I was surprised when he popped up at the end of the episode with badder-than-bad-ass Elijah. I wasn't surprised at all that Slater was speaking for Elijah, his tone and all that, but that he was being compelled was a surprise. Oh, show, never change.

- Again, Elijah is so badder than bad-ass. I can't imagine someone topping him as Klaus supposedly is, but man, Elijah is just awesome. Not just taking the dude's coins, but replacing them with a 100-dollar bill from his neat stack of bills, so kind. Taking in the information he wanted and then whamm-o, throwing the coins at the window. So cool.

- I'm sorry, show, but if you keep on giving me such uber-adorably sparkling scenes between Stefan and Caroline where they are the definition of delightfullness and squee, I just have to continue to ship the hell out of them.

- Hmm, three for three. Yeah, something's up with all the Lexi mentions. Personally, I think Rose is going to turn against Damon and screw some plan up, or maybe even hurt Elena and/or Stefan deliberately to get back at Damon for killing Lexi. Remember, Rose said that Lexi was her friend, and being on the run with Trevor as she was, she probably didn't have many of those. So, yeah, that's my theory as to why the number of Lexi mentions.

- So, Stefan is still worried about Damon and Elena? Interesting. Katherine really pegged it when she showed him the two of them all couply as his worst fear. Interesting, indeed. And Caroline's "eww!" reaction shows how she'd react when it happens, LOL!

- Heh, I loved Damon's contention that he's very good at ripping hearts out. Hah!

- Shirtless, supposedly-naked Damon is always a good thing, so I'm not complaining about that, but, what? "You turn off your switch/You first" is vampire code for and then we'll have sex? I mean, really. They delivered those lines, and then bam, they're in each others faces and kissing (and, yeah, there was totally a spark of chemistry because this is Ian-HumanChemistryGenerator-Somerhalder we're talking about). And then they had sex. And it was just so meh. There had been nothing beforehand to suggest at an attraction, and there was certainly nothing afterward that suggested it either. It really came across as the show deciding that dagnabbit! there hadn't been enough naked Ian Somerhalder, so let's get on that. Ooh! New vampire girl. Sure, Damon can bang her, non-naked-Damon-issue solved.

- So, yeah, Rose. I'm sorry, I wanted to like her, but, man, she is, without a doubt, the wimpiest vampire we've yet seen. She's so lame. Seriously, though, think of characters introduced and the reaction -- Alaric, his first episode, people were loving him, or at least he made a pronounced splash. Ditto for Anna, Pearl, Katherine, Lucy, Grams, Elijah, etc. Rose is just meh. She is the lamest vampire ever. If she were the lead character of this show, it would be called The Wimpy Vampire Diaries. I mean, 500 years old, and she needs the big, strong man to rescue her from the sun, otherwise, she'd just lay there and burn to death? Slater, at about forty years old, got the heck outta dodge without having to be saved. She doesn't quip, she's not sparkly (like Caroline), she's not bad-ass, she's lame. Pearl, Anna, Isobel would kick her ass in a heartbeat. I do still like the accent.

- Oh, and speaking of accents ... and foreign tongues, GO NINA DOBREV! Seriously, it sucks royally that this girl is NOT getting more notice for the amazing job she's doing. If the Emmys actually meant something, her name should damn well be etched on one come September. I only realized today just how amazing she was in this episode because I didn't think of the fact that I was watching one actress play Elena, present-day Katherine in the tomb, 1490 human, birthin' Katherine, and 1492 human, scared and on the run, but still selfishly thinking on her feet Katherine, because all portrayals were so seamless, it didn't *feel* like the same actress at all. Nina is just kicking so much ass here, there are no words. And I got such a kick out of hearing her speak her native Bulgarian. Awe-some!

As is this show ... awe-some! I LOVE IT SO MUCH!
 
 
 
obstinate, headstrong girl!: TV » TVD » Katherinezombie_boogie on November 13th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
Katheriiiiiine. Be more awesome. I dare you. I do so love the continuity of a vampire's human characteristics being amplified after the change. I almost admire Katherine's unabashed selfishness. And of course her mad planning skills (I mean all of those elements to break the curse? Wow).

The only thing convincing me that they won't kill Bonnie, despite her Magical Pain and her status as love interest for Jeremy, is the fact that a) I don't think they'd kill the only woman of colour left on the show and b) I don't think she's really replaceable within the group, despite the fact that they introduced Lucy a few episodes back. Lucy wouldn't slide easily into the group as their token witch. I'm so glad that she's getting both legitimate romantic and character development plotlines this season. I'm really curious to see what the deal is with Luka and his dad.

Your Lexi theory is probably more realistic than the one I read about and immediately loved: that she's an Original and is therefore Maybe Not Quite Dead. I really miss that girl. I at least want a flashback!

I thought the fact that Stefan's immediate reaction to the fact that Elena might be off doing something dangerous was that she was with Damon was definitely telling.

I'm totally fine with Rose and Damon getting it on because a) Naked Ian! and b) even though there was chemistry, there was absolutely no feeling behind it. So, better to kind of have them be acquiantances-with-benefits than have her be a legit love interest. They'll probably use her to make Elena jealous or at least affected by seeing Damon with another woman.

Loved hearing Nina speak Bulgarian! It was... hot. Not gonna lie.
Arabian: Jeremy & Bonnie01arabian on November 13th, 2010 06:42 pm (UTC)
I just want to take your post and wrap it in a huge big fat hug of DITTO! Cuz I pretty much agree with every word (except, as you already know, why I don't buy the Lexi as an original theory). And funny, I think I was reading/responding to your post as you were reading/responding to mine, LOL!

Nina Dobrev is so hot. If I were gay, she'd totally be my type.

Re: Bonnie, a friend came up with a scary theory. They're making Bonnie likable again -- yay with the actual character/relationship development again, the token, angry witch was getting old, yo! -- all in order to shock and gut us in half when they kill her. But you are right, as much as it shouldn't be a factor (because, well, it shouldn't be a factor damnit, there should just be POC period casually and regularly), it is. She is the only POC on the show who's a regular cast member, and while it would open up a whole new vein of storytelling (see, what I did there? vein of storytelling, hehehe) to have a witch come in and have to work her way into the group, why? Bonnie is here, Bonnie is showing her awesome one again, and she and Jeremy are adorable together. So there, show. I forbid you to kill Bonnie. End of story. From me, possibly your biggest fan!
archangel_bloodarchangel_blood on November 13th, 2010 06:47 pm (UTC)
First time commenting here, but I always read your ep thoughts and, as usual, I agree with pretty much everything you said.

S/E seem more and more forced and bland to me with every subsequent episode and while I didn't mind them that much last season, they make me roll my eyes more than ever now. Their chemistry (limited in the first place), seems to have disappeared altogether and is somehow delving into the negative temperatures zone now.

S/C on the other hand, came out of left field for me. I thought they were cute together and all, but this last Thursday it was like BAM! and they had a new shipper in me. Stefan is actually sweet and funny and completely... bearable when he's with her. Who'd have thought lol

Katherine is... well, I'm beyond words. The woman is a narcissist, cold-hearted and a complete nut case and I absolutely love her. She saved the ep for me, her story had me engrossed and I suddenly found myself sympathizing with her, which is a new experience for me. Also, Nina speaking such perfect Bulgarian gave me warm fuzzies. Yeah, sue me, I love my language lol

Damon/Rose... it was hard to watch. Like I already mentioned somewhere, exchanging pain for pain is never going to help you feel better and it obviously didn't work out for Damon. He looked so desolate afterward that my heart broke a little. It's not her he wants and the heartache only gets worse if you try to soothe it with substitutes. Plus, I find Rose boring and somehow unappealing, which is weird because I loved her as Bella on Supernatural.

Oh, and that little D/E scene at the front door? There was something off. Why would Elena be so awkward around Damon? No reason, except the one she's supposed to have forgotten about.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline01arabian on November 13th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC)
they make me roll my eyes more than ever now

That's my reaction to S/E now. I just roll my eyes, because it seems like almost every single moment they share is all angsty. Even the light-hearted ones quickly turn to angst, and I'm just over it.

Aww, I've loved Stefan and Caroline from the second episode of this season. That bathroom scene between them just slayed me, and then the following episode was them at levels of uber-adorable. LOVE THEM!

I wasn't looking forward to the D/R stuff, but I was actually disappointed because it was so very lame. There was just nothing there between them, which, I do prefer with regards to my Damon/Elena-loving heart, but I expected there to be some believable lead up to the sexing ... and for me, there wasn't at all.

Oh, and that little D/E scene at the front door? There was something off. Why would Elena be so awkward around Damon? No reason, except the one she's supposed to have forgotten about.

EXACTLY!
leosgreensleosgreens on November 13th, 2010 10:31 pm (UTC)
Hey! Just because you like to get some does not make you a slut!
Arabian: Katherine03arabian on November 13th, 2010 11:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, but Katherine totally is. She was having sex in 1490, fooling around when that SOOOO was not the thing to do, that's a slut. She continued to do so (most likely in 1492, and throughout the centuries). She was having sex with two brothers during the same period in the 1800s, just because she could, not to mention the guard she was probably banging too. In present-day, she's claiming her love for Stefan, while trying to bang Damon, clearly wanting to bang Matt, and banging Mason. She's a slut. Katherine pretty much fits every definition of a slut. Is it a negative definition, yes, but it still applies to Katherine because she's not just sexually promiscuous, she's the very definition of negative sexual promiscuity, because she lies to, cheats on, leads on and uses people with her sexual promiscuity.

I understand that some people have an issue with the word being thrown around willy-nilly, but in Katherine's case, it really applies.

Edited at 2010-11-13 11:08 pm (UTC)
leosgreens: delenaleosgreens on November 14th, 2010 12:49 am (UTC)
I agree that Katherine is a dirty skank, but I take issue with the idea that because she was having sex in an era "when that was SOOOO not the thing to do", that it makes her a slut. Was Hester Prynne a slut? The generalization hurts my feelings, not the inclusion of Katherine. I'm sure she was probably getting it on with all the local goatherds and their dads, brothers, and cousins. That would make her one, not other people's disapproval or medieval mores.

I know, I like to quibble. :)
Arabian: Katherine01arabian on November 14th, 2010 12:56 am (UTC)
But in the 1400s it WAS completely the wrong thing to do. That's just a fact of the time. It was extremely negative to be a non-married sexually active female, period, so the term still fits. Whether you think so or not, the mores of the time *does* dictate how a person is perceived. In the 1400s, she fit that category. And knowing all we know about Katherine, she was probably doing brothers and the like back then too. The girl likes sex, yes, that doesn't necessarily make her a slut, but she played with sex in a time when it was very much frowned upon, and then has continued to do so throughout the centuries in a very negative way.

There's just no two ways about it. Katerina Petrova aka Katherine Pierce is a slut. And it's just one of the many things I love about her. She's completely unapologetic about that and every other nasty trait she has. GO KATHERINE!
(Anonymous) on November 14th, 2010 06:23 am (UTC)
I’m glad that you mentioned something about the way Elena acted towards Damon when she went to the Boarding House. It was definitely odd seeing as how the last time she saw him she was mouthing the words “Thank You’ to him and not sharing their usual verbal jabs. I wasn’t on board with the whole “did Elena have vervain in her system” deal, but her attitude and demeanor is completely off. Why give Damon the cold shoulder when he had just helped to save her life? Something is up.

I’m still on the Caroline/Tyler train, but I’m also on the Caroline/Stefan train as well. I loved the interaction with both, especially Stefan saying that Caroline reminds him of Lexi. It’s pretty funny. Stefan seems to have more fun with Caroline, when she’s pretending/not pretending to be ditzy and needy than he does with Elena like EVER. I was never really on the Stelena train, but any chemistry that I thought they had last year, especially at the beginning of the season has quickly faded away. All you get is gloom and doom with these two and I am over it!

After Damon, Katherine has the best lines on the show, and Caroline is running a close third in that department. She’s exactly right. When shit goes down and Klaus and his posse of crazy ass originals make their appearance, she’ll be the “safest psychotic bitch in town”, that is unless the TVD Scooby gang comes up with a plan to pronto. Katherine is just as badass as she was before she was turned; slutty, manipulative, a user to the nth degree, but I felt sorry for her when she had to give up her baby girl without getting a chance to hold her, when she found her family slaughtered, and that last scene of her caressing her mother’s picture. There are feelings there. They’re just buried deep inside her. I think I’d be a total bitch if all that crap had happened to me too.

Bonnie moves fast. Straight from flirting with Jeremy to flirting with Luka. Not cool girl! This whole warlock/witch connection is not going to bode well I believe, especially since Luka’s pops is working with Elijah. I had a feeling about him. Something just wasn’t right, which leads me to wonder if Luka knows his dad is a bad guy and is just toying with Bonnie or if he is oblivious to his dad’s evil ways and will wind up helping her in the end.

Elijah! Dude is the king of BAMF! I loved that even in the midst of his evilness he dropped a C note in that guitar case when he picked up the coins. You know he was raised to be a gentleman. Well a gentleman that decapitates people. Ha Ha.

What can I say about Rose? I know. I don’t like her. She is pointless, unless like you theorized, she turns against Damon when she learns he staked Lexi. There is no use for her except to move the Originals/Klaus plot point along. I wasn’t vibing on the Rose/Damon interaction myself, even though Ian could have chemistry with a paper bag. I know it was just about a sexual release and that no feelings were attached, but one minute she’s burning in the sun and crying about Klaus and the next she’s in a skimpy top and bumping uglies (well I'm sure Damon's junk isn;t ugly) with Damon. Uh I don’t think so. I hope she’s gone soon. Bye Rose!

Nina kicked ass the entire episode, from playing Katherine’s vulnerability,Elena's inquistiveness, to her mastery of her native language and the English accent. This girl deserves an Emmy! How many actresses can pull off acting off of themselves or a blue screen or an unseen stand in and make it seem like they've been doing it for years? She rocked it!
Arabian: NinaDobrev01arabian on November 14th, 2010 06:22 pm (UTC)
It was odd how she acted; I've watched it a few times now and she seemed ... wary, I think is the word I can come up with best.

Not really on the Tyler/Caroline train at all, because I'm pretty gung-ho Caroline/Stefan, but we'll see what happens with the next episode.

Well, I don't think Bonnie was really flirting with Jeremy, she's still caught between "Elena's baby brother/cute guy" and that's throwing her. I think any flirting that's happening is completely without thought, and then Luka came around and there was a less confusing guy situation, so I get it.

I agree, Elijah is the king of BAMF. EXACTLY!

I loved that even in the midst of his evilness he dropped a C note in that guitar case when he picked up the coins. You know he was raised to be a gentleman. Well a gentleman that decapitates people.

Hah, this!

Ditto on all you said about Damon, Katherine, Rose and Damon/Rose. And, obviously, a huge HELL YEAH! to Nina's performance.
redbrunja: tvd | playing a losing gameredbrunja on November 14th, 2010 08:22 am (UTC)
She just seemed oddly off? tense? I don't know, but it was something enough that it makes me wonder if we'll find out in a later episode that she was drinking vervain tea or something related and thus was not compelled to forget Damon's declaration.

That was my first thought too.
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on November 14th, 2010 06:23 pm (UTC)
I mentioned above that I rewatched that scene and what I think it is is that she was wary, but not in a scared wary way, but more in a tentative, I-don't-know-how-to-act way. And that, I guess, could work either way -- based on the last supposedly remembered interaction or the *actual* interaction. It just makes more sense if she DID remember, you know?

Edited at 2010-11-14 06:27 pm (UTC)
redbrunja: tvd | brave new worldredbrunja on November 17th, 2010 07:32 am (UTC)
It kind of does.
lacrimadraconis: TVD Damon Elena poollacrimadraconis on November 14th, 2010 04:35 pm (UTC)
I found it interesting the way Elena was with Damon in their one scene with just the two of them. Considering that the last interaction we saw between them -- that Elena is aware of -- Damon had just saved her and they'd shared the mouthed "you're welcome/thank you" moment. She just seemed oddly off? tense? I don't know, but it was something enough that it makes me wonder if we'll find out in a later episode that she was drinking vervain tea or something related and thus was not compelled to forget Damon's declaration.

I found this very interesting, too. I'm not sure if I'm really in on the tea cup theory, but her behaviors was a little off.
Arabian: Damon & Elena07arabian on November 14th, 2010 06:26 pm (UTC)
The thing is that the tea cup theory makes sense because why wouldn't they immediately come up with something to counteract having no vervain necklace? (They being Stefan and Elena.) The quickest, easiest and most readily available source would be vervain tea. And again, the way she acted. She was ... wary, but not in a scared wary way, but more in a tentative, I-don't-know-how-to-act way. That's the word I've come up with, which doesn't really track with the pre-confession interaction, but *does* track with remembering that confession but knowing she wasn't supposed to, you know?
lacrimadraconis: TVD Damon Elena dancelacrimadraconis on November 14th, 2010 07:37 pm (UTC)
why wouldn't they immediately come up with something to counteract having no vervain necklace?

Exactly this is what I thought about as well. Elena just got kidnapped and they leave her completely vervain free and therefore unprotected? I can't imagine them being this careless...
I'm just a little bit torn because I don't know if I want Elena to know right now or not. But either way, her behavior was a little suspicious *nods*

Jeez, I can't wait to find out. And I'm kind of hoping for the mid-season finale.
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on November 14th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
I'm trying to not get my hopes up, but yeah, I can't help but really hope we're gonna get something meaty and awesome DE-related come the mid-season finale.

I do want her to remember simply because I want Elena to witness that side of Damon. The only other time he really spilled like that was on the porch, and of course, that was Katherine. I also think it adds a nice angsty touch to their interaction.
lacrimadraconis: TVD Damon Elena huglacrimadraconis on November 14th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, I definitely want her to remember at one point, I just don't know if she could handle it right now because what he did and said there is basically the polar opposite of everything she thinks about him or sees in him at this moment.
I guess I just want her to figure some of her own feelings out before she knows. But then, what would have her thinking about him/this more than that incredible love declaration?
Wah, I dont know LOL.

If they go by the timeline of season 1 we should get something after the holiday hiatus at the latest. That was when "Bloodlines" aired and we got some major Damon/Elena bonding. So I'm hoping for this.
I don't think I ever shipped a couple like this before :)
eolivet on November 14th, 2010 06:44 pm (UTC)
I don't know if it's because I'm much more into Damon/Elena or the non-stop OTT angst between Stefan and Elena, but I am officially, completely over them.

Woo hoo!!! Mainly because when I started watching the show, I remember you said you didn't have a problem with Stefan/Elena, and I was like "Now what is she seeing that I am not, because all I am seeing is boring, boring, boring." Stefan is so...gah...whiny. I just contrast his sort of tentative "there, there, Elena, you'll be OK" assertions with Damon being like "yeah, I'm gonna save her -- wanna make something of it."

I think Rose is going to turn against Damon and screw some plan up, or maybe even hurt Elena and/or Stefan deliberately to get back at Damon for killing Lexi

I like this idea -- mainly because I feel like Rose is...trying too hard? Like, she keeps trying to get Damon to talk about his feelings, almost like she wants to take advantage of him. I wouldn't put it past her to hold a 500 year old grudge -- after all, if Stefan and Damon hadn't come to rescue Elena, Trevor wouldn't have died. :x

Oddly, I didn't see anything different in Elena's (brief) interaction with Damon. I thought it was par for the "ugh, I just barely tolerate him" vibes she's been giving off since the season premiere.

(I also thought it was funny they didn't mention that scene in the previouslies. Although it was the first previouslies where I didn't hear Stefan declare "but I have to know her." Blah.)

(You don't think...Luka's dad is Klaus? Or that we're supposed to think that...?)
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)01arabian on November 14th, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC)
M'dear, you HAVE GOT TO WATCH SEASON ONE! Stefan and Elena truly had touching, likable and downright adorable moments in season one. I swear. And this -- I thought it was par for the "ugh, I just barely tolerate him" vibes -- is so not Elena and Damon. The thing with Elena is that she was the ONLY person who genuinely seemed to like Damon and enjoy his company, and they had tons of squee-worthy, adorable moments. You're only getting the awesomely angsty stuff with them that makes your heart squeeze and break for them, and have gotten none of the squee, giddy, clap your hands and grin like a fool moments ... there are tons of those in season one.

As for the interaction, it just seemed more tentative than I would have expected had she not remembered the confession. And, again, about how she's been treating Damon ... he DID snap her brother's neck. Prior to that scene, she was telling him how much she did care about him, and trying to get through to him. All of her negativity towards him this season is very, very, VERY well justified. Oh, but there was such glorious stuff in season one.

YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH SEASON ONE!

I dunno if Rose is starting anything now because I don't think she knows about Lexi yet. (I won't spoil you to the details, but the Lexi stuff happened in season one.) And it wasn't Stefan and Damon's fault about Trevor; Elijah ripped his head off before the Salvatore brothers showed up.

I don't think we were supposed to think that Jonas was Klaus at all. I think Jonas is just working for Elijah. Klaus would have a much more awesome entrance, I'm sure.
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 12:10 am (UTC)
I always liked Rose and believe she, and her death are just as important to Damon's development in the second season as Elena.
Arabian: Elena06arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:30 pm (UTC)
I just do not agree with this. I don't know, maybe when I do my rewatch I'll feel differently. We'll see.