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07 October 2010 @ 10:41 pm
2.05 - 'Kill or Be Killed' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So dead-tired, going to bed, so this actually will be short.

- Caroline wins as MVP of the show tonight. She was awesome. Honest, vulnerable, snarky here and there and utterly kick-ass. Go Caroline! Candice Accola is so bringing it.

- Damon, thank GOD!, was NOT pathetic in this episode. About damn time, show. I LOVE that he clearly isn't buying the whole "fight" thing between Stefan and Elena. Plus, Ian did a MARVELOUS spit-take (after the oh-so-adorable, "thank you, sweetie!"). And he had some great lines throughout the episode. Again, thank goodness!

- Speaking of Damon ... I adore that they didn't play fast and loose with Damon and Liz's relationship. She *was* genuinely shaken and hurt by the notion of him being a vampire, and the fact that she couldn't accept it, wanted to kill him, etc. was leavened considerably by the fact that she couldn't even accept it in her daughter. On the flip side, Damon never backed down from the belief that he and Liz were friends. Awwww. I think my favorite part was when he sincerely asked Caroline why she was being such a bitch to her mom because he thought that's why Liz was so shaken. (And once he compels her, yay!, we can get that relationship back. Woohoo! Okay, even if it's built on a huge lie, the emotion is real, damnit! And this episode proved that.)

- So when Damon knelt in front of Liz, I couldn't help but think: Damn, Ian Somerhalder really has chemistry with EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. ON. THE. PLANET. For reals!

- God, Elena is so stupid. Yes, it's in character, but GOD! First of all, it's not just her, it's Stefan too. They're in her house where not one, not two, but THREE vampires have been invited in and they're being all lovey-dovey, discussing their "deception." :rolls eyes: And then her first not happy with him wanting to drink people blood. Hello, Elena! Wake up and take a reality pill, please. Katherine can and will kill you all! Geez. I love her, but the Stefan-parts of this episode did her no favors. Of course, sigh, I just am so bored and eyes-rolled by Stefan and Elena at this point. The rest of the show is smart and funny and works so well, and those two are basically the Twilight faction of the show. They are such teenagers together. With Elena, Stefan completely loses his cool. With Stefan, Elena pretty much loses the functioning of her brain cells. Ugh.

- So, Mason is so not totally a good guy. He threatened to kill Elena! GEEZ!! (Go Caroline!)

- Jeremy!! I've missed you.

- Yay, no Bonnie! I haven't missed you. Ugh, preview Bonnie. Darn. It was nice while it lasted.

- NO ALARIC! GRRR!

- So I was NOT expecting the Mason/Katherine connection. Nice twist there.

- HOYAY! for all the Tyler/Jeremy scenes.

- Hmm, what's up with this Aimee character? Three episodes out of five already. I wonder what will happen with her....

- Boo! Hiss! No good Stefan/Caroline ... AGAIN! Grrr.

- I did like the one Damon/Elena moment, but it didn't quite gel. I mean, when Damon took the arrow for her, that was the Damon who was her friend. When Damon was honest and upfront with her at the car and on the porch, that was the Damon who was her friend. Eh, she's just softening and looking for excuses now. At least, that's what I'm telling myself. ;)

- So Elena fed Stefan her blood. I admit, I was a bit disappointed because they do bore me silly and I kinda want to see the beginning of the end continue to grow stronger. It's seemed that way since the premiere, but this one appeared to put them back on stronger footing. However, sarcasticcheese pointed out, on a show like this, things that start out good (ie, the blood-sharing scene being one of their more emotionally-charged scenes ever) tend to go South pretty durn quickly. :shrugs: We'll see.

Ooh, just remembered, Elena said she and Stefan are "always" again. That's so TV-speak for "the end is nigh" (unless it's the end of the series). So I'll cling to that for a bit then. :)

- Speaking of Stefan on human blood, I will be disappointed in the show if he has no side effects. He started out with a small dose last time, and it just overtook him. Why, how would this be different? If there's no real struggle, it will feel like the show is ignoring their own storytelling and I expect SOOOO much better from The Vampire Diaries.

Overall, despite my blah to Stefan and Elena, this was easily the best episode since the premiere in my opinion.

I lied; it's not short, but definitely shorter than my usual long-winded TVD posts, right?
 
 
 
vamplover85vamplover85 on October 8th, 2010 04:05 am (UTC)
lol. It was an awesome episode though I missed a few minutes of it at the beginning so I'll be watching it again. I LOVED Caroline. She rocked hard in that scene with Mason! Woo. Eh. I didn't like Stefan/Elena scene at the end. They do have 2 vampires in the house and Kathrine could have been listening in they were very selfish. And she wanted Stefan to stop with that but I don't get why she doing everything in her power to make him drink it again. He should be doing it a lone. But eh. I'm hoping we get to see more of Damon/Elena friendship grow a little bit more than it has already or her hatred dim down a bit because I'm tired of this Elena. I don't like her that much anymore. lol. Though yay for Jeremy!!! I love Tyler/Jeremy friendship. I adore them. <3 Jeremy is a sweetie and I love Tyler that he's not taking that step into becoming a werewolf! But seriously your right about Damon he was her friend when he was doing all those event's after the aftermath and really it's so selfish of her to think that way of him now. But Stefan with the blood I think they will put the side effects in really....it probably will what break up Elena/Stefan. I hope. <3 I love Stefan/Caroline!! I hope to see more scenes with them. <3
Arabian: Quinn01arabian on October 9th, 2010 01:07 pm (UTC)
Caroline was AMAZING in this episode. And I do hope this is the beginning of the end (at least for now) between Stefan and Elena. :sigh:
obstinate, headstrong girl!: TV » TVD » Carolinezombie_boogie on October 8th, 2010 12:17 pm (UTC)
I think the Stefan/Elena blood exchange will come back to bite them (pun not intended). If we're following the addiction metaphor, than Elena has just become Stefan's drug. Dragging her into his self-control issue in such an intrinsic way will certainly have consequences down the line.

I think Stefan/Elena are ten million times better than Bella/Edward (they may bore me but I do like that they agreed to be honest with each other and since then they've stuck to that promise). That said, they don't really think straight when they're together. I mean, it's not surprising because love = blindness, but I don't think they're a tag team of awesome planning.
Arabian: Caroline02arabian on October 8th, 2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm hoping that the blood-sharing is going to turn out to be baaaaad for them.

Re: Stefan/Elena, no they are nowhere as bad as Edward/Bella, but they are the closest to Twilight-esque this show gets. As for love, I still just see a teenage, puppy love between them. Which, of course, when at that age is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER, but while they can be cute and have moments where you see the depth of all that's going on around them and they respond well to that, I just don't get any depth with them. They're just SUCH teenagers with each other, and neither of them are like that pretty much ever with anyone else.
eolivet on October 8th, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)
It's funny...I forget they're supposed to be teenagers (well, most of them) on the show until the Stefan/Elena scenes. I mean, "The O.C." had more maturity in some of its relationships. ;p

(Though if the show thought that Elena offering her blood to Stefan was "subtle"...um, no. I saw that coming from a mile away [moreso than Mason/Katherine, though I knew Mason was Up To No Good!])

No new ep next week -- boo!!! :p
Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on October 9th, 2010 01:05 pm (UTC)
It's funny...I forget they're supposed to be teenagers (well, most of them) on the show until the Stefan/Elena scenes.

EXACTLY. They aren't bad at all, have their cute moments, Paul and Nina have chemistry (some anyway), but they are SUCH teenagers and it sticks out on a show, that even though it's supposedly a teen show, where every other moment has so much more depth than cookie-cutter teenage dramatic romance.

(Though if the show thought that Elena offering her blood to Stefan was "subtle"...um, no. I saw that coming from a mile away [moreso than Mason/Katherine, though I knew Mason was Up To No Good!])

See, earlier in the day I'd been speculating that Elena might have to give Damon some blood to save his life, so I was slightly devastated because of that happening with Stefan the VERY day I thought it might happen with Damon, LOL! I didn't see the Mason/Katherine stuff coming up, either. In my defense, I'm fighting an illness, was so tired and yeah, just not at my full brain functioning power, LOL!

No new ep next week -- boo!!! :p

This is actually not intended, I don't think. I think it took them 3 weeks to film ep 4 and it put them behind the schedule, and they knew they'd have to have a rerun in this first batch of episodes, so picked the one with a cliffhanger-y ending.

And, just a heads-up, they may do it a bit differently, but last year they didn't do a few episodes on, reruns, a few on, ever. It was 10 straight, two months of reruns (hello, Olympics!) four on, a month of reruns and then the last eight episodes. And episode 10 and 14 were major killer cliffhanger episodes. I don't think it will be 10/4/14 this time, but I think it will probably be 9/7/6 or something like that. But other than this one rerun (unplanned) next week, I think we'll have similar breaks types of things.
eolivet on October 9th, 2010 01:19 pm (UTC)
earlier in the day I'd been speculating that Elena might have to give Damon some blood to save his life

Aww, man -- that would've been awesome!! I'm hoping, in light of Damon's kindness towards Liz, that Elena might get off her high horse next week. "That's the Damon who was my friend" was kind of snooty. I love D/E but I do not want Buffy/Spike 2.0 with them either ("oh, you are so repulsive and I am so self-loathing that the fact that I like you is clearly an indication of my low self-esteem!" Blech.)

It was 10 straight, two months of reruns (hello, Olympics!) four on, a month of reruns and then the last eight episodes

Yikes! It's a real tribute to the show (and how good it was/is) that the long break didn't completely kill it. I mean, for a freshman series to do that and survive is awesome. Heck, LOST tried that and it didn't work!

(I wasn't surprised to see reruns -- though I wish it was a S1 ep, not the premiere we saw five weeks ago. ;p "Glee" has a rerun on 10/19 -- seems like shows do that so they can keep their "inventory" for November Sweeps. :)
Arabian: Elena02arabian on October 9th, 2010 01:31 pm (UTC)
Elena might get off her high horse next week.

See, I'm fine with her attitude toward him. Again, HE SNAPPD HER BROTHER'S NECK. I think she's being pretty awesome when one takes that into account, LOL!

"That's the Damon who was my friend" was kind of snooty.

Oh, I didn't read that as snooty at all. (How much of s1 have you watched at this point, by the way?) She was being completely genuine there. She saw how he treated Liz/Caroline and she liked it. She likes *that* Damon. When he's not being an evil, humanity-less vampire, she likes him. He makes her laugh, they get along really well. So it's not like BS at all. Prior to the neck-snapping, she genuinely liked him and was pretty much the ONLY person -- unless you count Liz who doesn't/didn't know he was a vampire -- who always treated him like someone she cared about without any harassing or insulting. She expects the better person in him because that's what he generally shows her. Honestly, they had a lot of happy, getting along moments together, they could be quite in sync.

Yikes! It's a real tribute to the show (and how good it was/is) that the long break didn't completely kill it. I mean, for a freshman series to do that and survive is awesome. Heck, LOST tried that and it didn't work!

I think it's because the two eps before breaks were basically normal TV show season-enders, they were that strong. They built up to these huge moments (and I don't want to spoil it because I don't know how much of s1 you've actually watched yet, LOL!) and there was pay-off and OHMYGOD! WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT!??!?! all rolled together that it kept people anxious and on their toes waiting. Essentially like viewers do during summer hiatus.

(I wasn't surprised to see reruns -- though I wish it was a S1 ep, not the premiere we saw five weeks ago. ;p "Glee" has a rerun on 10/19 -- seems like shows do that so they can keep their "inventory" for November Sweeps. :)

It was a HUGE surprise for us knowing their schedule from last year to see a rerun coming up. Julie Plec (one of the exec producers) even commented on the fact that they are having one because it really wasn't expected. Basically, the show seems to like to build to these OHMYGOD episodes and having reruns scattered in between rather dilutes that, so they go full-bore with a batch of them, have a crescendo, leave you breathless and wanting more, take a break and then come back and start it over again.

A s1 rerun would be nice ("Miss Mystic Falls" please -- that's my favorite episode), but I get why they went with the premiere. That really was such huge set-up for things to come and I think that the two-parter we're coming back with is going to be heavy Katherine episodes, so ....

Edited at 2010-10-09 01:35 pm (UTC)
bastetseyebastetseye on October 9th, 2010 01:25 am (UTC)
One thing that did interest me about the Elena/Damon talk was how much it reminded me of a similar conversation between Buffy and Spike in BTVS, which regardless of what people think of the ship, was the real turning point for her seeing him as someone capable of doing good for good sake.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on October 9th, 2010 01:06 pm (UTC)
I hope that bodes well; I was not a BS fan so don't know what scene you're talking about, stopped watching BtVS after "Once More with Feeling," but a turning point for Damon and Elena would be a good thing to start coming at this time.
bastetseyebastetseye on October 9th, 2010 06:47 pm (UTC)
It was in season five, he refused to reveal who Dawn was to a god who was torturing him. Buffy as she turned to walk away (similar to Elena) said that what he did was real and that she wouldn't forget it (as opposed to sleeping with a robot version of her).
Mitten: vampiresugarsyringe on October 10th, 2010 04:13 pm (UTC)
Hello new friend! :)

I loved this week's episode as well. It's a shame we'll have to wait an extra week for the next one because it looked awesome from the previews (with Elena maybe hugging Damon *gasps*)

Caroline owned the episode, I agree. She was clever, mature and strong and I loved to see her like that. Since she's turned into a vampire, they've given her character so much more depth.
I didn't miss Bonnie at all either. Too bad she's into the next episode, being as judgemental as ever XD!
I must admit that I was quite moved by the friendship story between Damon and the sheriff. When you think about it... as Elena still doesn't want to have anything to do with Damon, Liz is pretty much his only friend. I loved this episode for showing us more about her. However, I can't help but to feel pity for her, standing among so many vampires and creatures for so long and not noticing a single thing. Poor woman.

I don't know why but I hate Mason. At least we're getting closer from discovering what the moon stone thing is about! I also can't agree more about Stefan. He needs to destroy something or mess something up while on human blood, it just can't go as if nothing had happened!

I love long tvd posts! :D Yay thank you for that!
Arabian: Caroline02arabian on October 13th, 2010 06:24 pm (UTC)
Hello! (Sorry with my job it sometimes takes forever before I can respond, but I do love reading what you all have to say!)

(with Elena maybe hugging Damon *gasps*)

Alas, we know how it's Jeremy for sure. Ah well.

Caroline TOTALLY owned this episode. I'm absurdly proud of the fact that I've been a huge Caroline fan from the get-go, like I was there before the bandwagon started, you know? LOL!

I ADORE Damon and Liz soooo much. I pretty much always have, and I love how they played out that friendship in this episode. And you're right, now that Elena is mad at Damon (understandably), Liz is the only one who's his friend without reservation (well, as long as she doesn't know he's a vampire).

However, I can't help but to feel pity for her, standing among so many vampires and creatures for so long and not noticing a single thing. Poor woman.

Yuppers.

Aww, I don't hate Mason. In fact, last week's episode made me love him, but now? He's a bad guy. Grrr. And that does hurt him for me because he doesn't have the snappy charisma to make a bad guy fly (unlike Ian), so, oh well.

I also can't agree more about Stefan. He needs to destroy something or mess something up while on human blood, it just can't go as if nothing had happened!

I have faith that this show will not let us down; it's so good and has done so wonderfully so far, I think my faith is understandable.

I love long tvd posts! :D Yay thank you for that!

Hah! This was a short TVD post by my normal standards, LOL!

Mitten: Damonsugarsyringe on October 14th, 2010 12:28 am (UTC)
Yes, I wrote that comment before we had the confirmation at comicon that it's just Jeremy D:

Anyway, I'm almost a bit sad Damon had to erase Liz's memory. It might have been interesting if she'd instead managed to deal with it. In fact, then, Damon would have had one real friend who accepts him for what he is, completely. Afterall, Liz only got to see a self-made side of Damon, far away from the real one.

Damon with one real friend. That's probably asking for too much!

Let's have faith! (I need to know if you read spoilers, because I would have other things to say about that then...)
Arabian: Damon01arabian on October 14th, 2010 12:35 am (UTC)
I'm normally a spoiler-whore, but I trust this show so much that I'm trying to stay away from spoilers. I have caved and read a few things, but I'm trying to not know too much (although, I already know way more than I wanted). I actually wrote up a whole post on my not doing spoilers for this show.
Mitten: cupcakesugarsyringe on October 14th, 2010 12:43 am (UTC)
It's actually the opposite into my case.
I usually try to stay spoiler free but with TVD, I don't manage to. It's so thrilling and exciting I need to know what happens next!

But it's totally fine, I'll keep my mouth shut don't worry!