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20 July 2009 @ 09:45 am
I hate Steven Moffat  
Not in the real person way, obviously, but in the, thanks for messing with my fandom way.

First, they are CLEARLY filming at Bad Wolf Bay. Second River Song is there with Eleven and Amy.

I just hate Moffat, spitting all over the Doctor/Rose story. I really do. It was bad enough that Eleven and new companion were going to bet here, but now he's bringing River there as well. I just, gah, I hope the show goes down in flames under his direction. I think I'm done looking at spoilers, reading stuff, etc. because it's too depressing. I'm just going to stay in my RTD-world of Who

And people wonder why I was so happy to find and jump into another fandom. I knew the pain that was coming with this one with Moffat taking over.
 
 
 
The Plucky Young Girl: devastatedpluckyyounggirl on July 20th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
Ugh.

For about five minutes, I was all "OH LOOK HOW CUTE THEY LOOK! Maybe it won't be so bad after all?" But guess what? OF COURSE IT WILL BE.
kaffyr: Sky of Nine and Rosekaffyr on July 20th, 2009 03:27 pm (UTC)
I'm not too worried. A 900+-year-old Time Lord is going to know how to keep the memories of beloved companions fresh and real. I choose to believe it's not going to be an either/or situation; the Eleventh Doctor having other, different, relationship of any type - platonic, amatic or erotic, take your pick - is never going to delegitimize an earlier or different relationship. I've loved more than one person in my life, and loved people in different ways - none of those relationships lessened each other. I'm curious to see how the story goes, and perhaps everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
Arabian: Dr Who (9) - BTarabian on July 20th, 2009 03:30 pm (UTC)
If it was anyone but Moffat, I'd bow down to your logic. But it's Moffat and he always seems to be seeking to replace Rose. Oh, for Paul Cornell. Why couldn't it have been Paul Cornell!?!?!?
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Diana: Laughter -- Jack/Rosebutterfly on July 20th, 2009 10:14 pm (UTC)
Honestly, it's making me laugh because it makes Moffat look pathetic, like he's trying to make Doctor/River happen on the coattails of the Doctor/Rose popularity.
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Arabian: I ♥ RTDarabian on July 21st, 2009 12:23 am (UTC)
I loved "The Empthy Child/The Doctor Dances" when I first watched them, on rewatch they were complete crap with plotholes the sizes of Mack trucks and Rose TERRIBLY out of character. Stand-alone from DW, "Girl in the Fireplace" is brilliant (if you ignore THOSE plot-holes), but within the DW arc, has absolutely no character consistency at all. "Blink" I've only watched once and loved it. I'm afraid to watch it again. "Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead" were crap from day one. Horrible plot holes, horrible character inconsistency, horrible story. Just bad, bad, bad. So yeah, NOT a Moffat fan.

And, well, I loved Rose from beginning to end. And I don't see how Rose lost her backbone when she helped create a dimension canon, and then fought bad-guys when she got to Earth, before being brave enough to handle being thrown a loop of a situation she never could have imagined, a 2nd Doctor. But then I'm an unabashed Rose, Doctor/Rose, Journey's End and RTD-fan.
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logicisfailing: thechairlogicisfailing on July 21st, 2009 12:57 am (UTC)
Uh, NO! I wasn't even a huge Moffat hater but I can't believe he would stomp all over Doctor/Rose so soon. *please don't let this end terribly* This Doctor may not have gotten to stay with Rose but please don't ruin anything they had together by immediately replacing her. :-Z

Go AWAY River!
faith5by5_1013: Doctor Who: Doctor/Rose: Foreverfaith5by5_1013 on July 21st, 2009 01:35 am (UTC)
Steven Moffat is evil. I can't believe that they're filming at Bad Wolf Bay. Well, I can, but just because Moffat has no respect for Doctor/Rose.

He is spitting all over their story. And bringing River there. I want to throw a brick at his head.

He's going to lose a lot of viewers. The thing about RTD's DW is that he got a lot of female viewers. And that's really rare with Sci-Fi shows. I'm hoping the BBC sees that they're losing an entire part of the audience and that they have to hire someone who respects women. I can't believe they'd hire someone so sexist in the first place.

I haven't found a new fandom to jump into like I jumped into the DW fandom. I found a few new fandoms, but they've either been canceled or it just doesn't make sense that they'd have another season. They'd have to replace all of the characters and do something completely different. Also, nothing even comes close to RTD's Doctor Who.
(Anonymous) on July 21st, 2009 03:41 am (UTC)
Oh *fantastic*

I have been forced to abandon Torchwood - strangely enough, it was RTD being a sadistic bastard there - and now it looks like I'm going to have to do the same for Who.

...I'll just go and watch classic DW to remind myself of better times. *Points at Ace* This is what companions should be like!
(Anonymous) on June 29th, 2010 09:27 am (UTC)
Okay so all of these comments were from ages ago - and I'm some random anonymous user incredibly bored who somehow managed to find this page. Don't ask me how XD And now I have to comment. Don't take me as coming off harsh, I'm not :)

Okay. I disagree with almost everything here. Moffat is not "spitting all over" "the Doctor/Rose story." He's not filming at Bad Wolf Bay, either (the actual filming location might be the same for all I know but it was not filmed to BE Bad Wolf Bay). And he wouldn't do that, anyway, because that would be taking it way too far to see Rose AGAIN. Rose was RTD's creation. Moffat is the writer now - this is his era, his doctor, and his characters. They are not seriously going to keep referring to Rose as "the one" for another x amount of years and regenerations the show goes on for.

Personally, I hate Rose. She was unintelligent, clingy, the damsel in distress and way too dependent on the Doctor. If anyone was spitting over someone, it would be Rose spitting over Mickey. She completely abandoned him, as he said, gave him a kiss and ran off with the Doctor. She didn't even love the Doctor back then (and if she did then that's just worse than the Twilight series). RTD kept trying to write them like they were the best romance in the world, and half the show was about them and not the adventure. Moffat writes for the show. His plot lines are amazing. I fail to understand why people hate the Library two-parter, I thought it was fantastic. All of my favourite episodes are by him! And how can anyone assume Amy is in love with Eleven after one episode? (You can see her wedding dress for God's sake!) I knew from the start that Moffat would not create another pathetic head-over-heels smitten character, and I was glad.

And I love River! She's not a young clingy pretty-girly-girl teenager (I'm assuming this is pretty much why people hate her), nor is she as mary-sue as Rose. She's a much more interesting character and the amount of speculation "who is she?" that is brought up by the fans is fantastic.

I like to think of it like this: each regeneration is a different person. Each one has different feelings, personality, appearance etc. Ten loved Rose. Eleven loves.. well, assuming in the future, River. And Matt Smith is not trying to be David Tennant, he's trying to be the character that Steven Moffat wrote for him - which was nothing like David Tennant's! They retain similarities, yes, just like Moffat pointed out they do in his mini episode Time Crash. Series 5 was the best series of the whole revived series (in my opinion), and the finale was fantastic. The only RTD finale I liked was series 3, probably because of the lack of daleks. And the Doomsday two-parter is possibly my least-favourite, most anti-climatic finale of them all.

/end of rant :)
Siedemnasty Doktor: [hp] i respect your opinionpitrah606 on September 15th, 2010 06:42 am (UTC)
Series 5 was the best series of the whole revived series (in my opinion)

Thanks God it just your opinion :P Most time (watching this crap aka series 5). I was just boring. Amy (which in Moffat vison) has to be more brilliant than Doctor and be on first plan was clearly rubbish. (it's DOCTOR who, not AMY who, yeah?). I don't know anything about this new Doctor. Okay, except he looks like professor and is ugly and thinks (about himself) he's so cool and really he's not. Like a superhero for very stupid commercial teenagers.
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magali29magali29 on December 27th, 2010 06:11 pm (UTC)
I don't consider myself as a DT fangirl. The guy has charisma but I don't think he is a sex bomb. But I loved Ten because he felt real, he felt human, he suffered like one, he fell in love like one, he had a best buddy like one. MS is okay but too alien and therefore not easy to relate to and care about. I cried, laughed and felt so much with Nine and Ten, as if they were real. 11 is more like a character in a show.

I'm not even going to talk about Amy. She'll be forgotten soon. People will only remember her because she was Rory's wife (Rory is the real revelation of series 5, for me, not Amy or River) and the rebound redhead companion, like "oh, that readhead, didn't she come after Donna?"
(Anonymous) on December 29th, 2010 04:48 am (UTC)
Problems with Steven Moffat
First, I'm a big Doctor/Rose shipper, so you know Moffat has made a practice of getting on my nerves in the past. Though I did love the Empty Child & Doctor Dances.

I hated Silence in the Library; I really didn't appreciate the smug River Song who comes out of nowhere and immediately is supposed to be more important than any companion the Doctor ever had. She doesn't even have to earn it. I thought that was really cheap, like he figured he couldn't actually create a character that important without forcing it on his audience up front.

Then we have the Girl in the Fireplace. I don't have anything to say that hasn't been said, just more of Steven insisting that the Doctor should be in love with someone with breeding and education such as Rose never had, even if that person is a long-dead hooker.

Anyway I still watch the show and I have no problem with Matt Smith, I like Rory very much, and Amy Pond grates my nerves most of the time, but what can you do? I just watched the Christmas Carol episode and I liked it, except for the part where Kazran hugged his previous self. I mean, come on, where were the big sky monsters swallowing up everything?? He just undid Father's Day without explanation.

Bottom line, I'm one of those female fans that never liked sci-fi and Davies roped me in by making me relate so much to one Rose Tyler and the bad ass yet lonely alien who saved her from a boring, listless existence. Moffat has yet to touch my heart in a similar way, and I don't appreciate him treating the series as if the Davies era never existed. Not cool, not respectful, and not a comfortable transition at all.
(Anonymous) on January 29th, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC)
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in disliking most of moffat's writing. I agree with those who pointed out the whole "I'm going to be the most important woman in your life" BS. River?! She's hideous! And I'm not just talking about her looks. She's a pain in the butt! She's so annoying even Ghandi would want to strangle her. And all of the plot-holes are beyond ridiculous! A 2-headed alien who wants to marry itself? A Black Queen Elizabeth the 10th? The ONLY way for the clamp on the Star Whale to be released is IF the Queen Abdicates? WTF?! And that's just the tip of the iceberg. And the girl in the fireplace was repulsive. The Dr falls in love with a woman who little more then a palace prostitute? And for series 6 that idiot has that disgusting River posing naked? Last time I checked this was suppose to primarily be a childrens show. He needs to go back to adult comedy. It's more his speed.
(Anonymous) on February 12th, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
I'm going to say that Moffat is a putz. He's as bad a Brannon Braga writing for Star Trek.

It's like he decided that he wanted to take staples of the show which had already been developed and had canon behind them, and add his own personal touch, destroying the canon aspects. Daleks that should come out as original as can be from that machine end up in bigger machines than the originals. The Weeping Angels no longer instantly transport you through time by touching you, now it was just because they wanted to. The Cybermen, the last of whom fell from the Void and were destroyed in "The Next Doctor" somehow come back, being able to operate while dismembered and carrying guns, all but not using their built in arm lasers, which is all they used before. Finally, the Void itself causing the Doctor to never exist because he went there. The Daleks and Cybermen were stuck in and crossed through it, the Doctor, Rose, Mickie and the rest passed through it, and now, suddenly when the Doctor goes to it he sudden never existed and all memory of him was erased.

Steven Moffat: Stop recycling old, in place material and changing/ruining it in the process. Stop stomping on what already is and make something new!!!!
(Anonymous) on June 1st, 2011 07:40 pm (UTC)
Steven Moffat hates Rose and I have no idea why. It's like he's trying to replace Russell T Davies characters (Rose) with his own (River). Steven Moffat's plot lines can be good sometimes but RTD had a great character depth.
romanforever on July 5th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
Moffat's writing is sloppy, overly contrived and cluttered. There are always these HUGE build-ups followed by these HUGE letdowns. Well for anyone with an actual working brain.
Maybe Mr Anonymous likes to turn his brain off so he can be surprised that River was the one inside the suit after all. Yeah, that was such a "huge" shock. Can anyone on here remember where you were when you found out river was the one inside the suit?! Sleeping most likely! lol
And Wow! What a shock! the gross vile pig from hades turned out to be Amy and rorys daughter from h*ll! And oh guess what?! The Tardis imbued her with Time Lord DNA. oh but WAIT! The ONLY DNA the Tardis would have access to is The Doctors! So that means that the Doctor and the bile River are Genetically Related which means their already gross relationship is now even more gross BY INCEST!
And this sociopathic puke of a character held the entire Universe hostage and River's psychotic fans are denying this reality and running around babbling out of their rear-ends that this farce of a relationship is some great love story! If that doesn't prove how insane they are, nothing does.
Oh and now cue the condescending morons to go on and on about how "angry" I am and other laughable crap! I hate a make-believe character and Moffat's crappy juvenile writing, NOT ALEX OR STEVEN!
and anyone (Especially NOW) saying she is a hero is either a troll or a complete and total nut-job!

Edited at 2012-07-05 11:40 pm (UTC)
Melissa GrimesMelissaG71 on October 18th, 2012 12:45 am (UTC)
I will always be a Doctor & Rose shipper and fan. Like many of you I can't stand what Moffat has done to the show. DT is my favorite Doctor so I'm really glad I don't have to see him have to pretend to be in love with River after all he and Rose have been through. I've tried to get into the newer seasons, and I've tried to like the new Doctor but I can't.
(Anonymous) on October 10th, 2013 01:03 am (UTC)
I was one of the original anons on this (idk? my post was on June 29 2010 arguing against the original lj post) and I have to say it is entertaining to find this page still in my old bookmarks, and to read all the replies over the past few years. All I have to say is that I have totally changed my viewpoint.

When I first wrote that (during or after series 5 aired, I don't remember) I was really excited by it, and I really liked Steven Moffat, but over series 6 and 7 my interest in the show has totally declined. What I really liked about Moffat was his ability for plot - all his episodes in the RTD era (Blink, Girl in the Fireplace, Silence in the Library etc) were always my favourite because the plot/settings were so exciting, but what I failed to realise was it was only because RTD's characters were already there. When you take those believable characters away, the plot doesn't matter anymore.

I really wanted to love Amy but truth be told I just gradually began to hate her because she had no depth and was constantly thrust upon the audience. River also seemed exciting at first (though I agree that she was also thrust upon the audience and we were expected to love her, which was bad), but she stayed at the same level of character depth the more the show went on. Characters are supposed to GROW, but every time she showed up it would be the same smugness and the same one-liners. The only character I enjoyed was Rory, because he was the only normal, human, relatable character of the lot. The point of companions is that they are supposed to be normal human beings, and THAT is why they are special, THAT'S why the Doctor chooses them and loves them, not because they are giant mysteries for him to solve. Look at Clara! How are any of us supposed to relate with the companions when we could never be put in their shoes, because we're not gifted and special enough? Though I still really like Matt Smith, I do realise he's a bit too alien/shallow to relate to. I used to think that was a good thing - the Doctor's MEANT to be an alien, right? - but he is lacking another layer of human depth underneath that Nine and Ten both had. I like some of the plot setups of Moffat's era and the improved, gothic-like cinematography but that's about it. I can't stand his shallow characters anymore - and don't even get me started on his sexism. I've literally watched almost every Moffat episode only once, and have no desire to rewatch them. I have watched RTD's episodes hundreds of times. I even had to actually google that there was a series 7 as well as 6 for this post - that's how forgettable it was.

I don't think Moffat actually hates Rose or specifically created River to undermine her, but I do think he's trying to recreate the same relationship and he has not done it well at all. I agree something like that has to be earned, not shoved in the spotlight and instantly be loved. However, the only thing I still really don't like is that people will immediately diss any sort of character presented in a romantic light and refuse to even think about it twice because they're not Rose. I don't mind Rose so much anymore, nor her relationship with the Doctor, but I don't think it's fair to expect that he, especially in another whole regeneration, can never love again.

I was really let down by what I hoped Moffat could make and I am so uninterested in the show now it's a joke. He has good ideas but they are poorly executed and his character development is horrible. I don't care about anything that happens to them. I still watch it and really try and force myself to get into it, but I can't. I've probably missed a few episodes out of disinterest, now that I think about it. I will just have to keep watching and hope that another writer will come along soon and bring it back to how it was.