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20 July 2009 @ 09:45 am
I hate Steven Moffat  
Not in the real person way, obviously, but in the, thanks for messing with my fandom way.

First, they are CLEARLY filming at Bad Wolf Bay. Second River Song is there with Eleven and Amy.

I just hate Moffat, spitting all over the Doctor/Rose story. I really do. It was bad enough that Eleven and new companion were going to bet here, but now he's bringing River there as well. I just, gah, I hope the show goes down in flames under his direction. I think I'm done looking at spoilers, reading stuff, etc. because it's too depressing. I'm just going to stay in my RTD-world of Who

And people wonder why I was so happy to find and jump into another fandom. I knew the pain that was coming with this one with Moffat taking over.
 
 
 
The Plucky Young Girl: devastatedpluckyyounggirl on July 20th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
Ugh.

For about five minutes, I was all "OH LOOK HOW CUTE THEY LOOK! Maybe it won't be so bad after all?" But guess what? OF COURSE IT WILL BE.
kaffyr: Sky of Nine and Rosekaffyr on July 20th, 2009 03:27 pm (UTC)
I'm not too worried. A 900+-year-old Time Lord is going to know how to keep the memories of beloved companions fresh and real. I choose to believe it's not going to be an either/or situation; the Eleventh Doctor having other, different, relationship of any type - platonic, amatic or erotic, take your pick - is never going to delegitimize an earlier or different relationship. I've loved more than one person in my life, and loved people in different ways - none of those relationships lessened each other. I'm curious to see how the story goes, and perhaps everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
Arabian: Dr Who (9) - BTarabian on July 20th, 2009 03:30 pm (UTC)
If it was anyone but Moffat, I'd bow down to your logic. But it's Moffat and he always seems to be seeking to replace Rose. Oh, for Paul Cornell. Why couldn't it have been Paul Cornell!?!?!?
(Anonymous) on April 5th, 2010 04:32 pm (UTC)
I hate steven moffat! Just watched first episode of his new series, weak storyline. Hate how Matt Smith tries to be like David T and isn't. UGH! Plus is moffat trying to destroy all Doctor/Rose had together? Riversong. Amy Pond. (however Karen Gillan isn't a back actress, just her character is obviously in love with the Doctor)

PS (to arabian) this is random as I recently read your Doctor Rose page on squidoo and now I randomly type in 'i hate steven moffat' on google and here u are!!! xD
Arabianarabian on April 5th, 2010 08:11 pm (UTC)
LMAO! That's funny. You should check the rewatch-reviews on my lj if you liked my DR stuff on Squidoo. I don't think I transferred all of the mover. :)
Sarah: Doctor Who - Ten/Rose kisspie_is_good on July 20th, 2009 05:34 pm (UTC)
I agree with this. In any case, I think the way that the Doctor cares about Rose is rather uniquely Ten, especially regarding the way he treated her memory after they were separated. You don't see other Doctors visibly upset about the loss of older companions, and I think a lot of that comes from what Ten was reborn from -- the broken man who ended the Time War turned into someone very compassionate but still trying to heal. Of course he clung to Rose. I think if Eleven doesn't, which he won't because its Moffat, a good way to think about it is that he clearly cares about Rose, but it's not the way he is any more to continue to show it once they're no longer around each other.

At least that's how I will rectify it! Eleven can easily not act in accordance with this. :)

The BWB thing is annoying, but who knows. Maybe they need a good connection to one of the other universes for a story. We'll see.
Diana: Laughter -- Jack/Rosebutterfly on July 20th, 2009 10:14 pm (UTC)
Honestly, it's making me laugh because it makes Moffat look pathetic, like he's trying to make Doctor/River happen on the coattails of the Doctor/Rose popularity.
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Arabian: I ♥ RTDarabian on July 21st, 2009 12:23 am (UTC)
I loved "The Empthy Child/The Doctor Dances" when I first watched them, on rewatch they were complete crap with plotholes the sizes of Mack trucks and Rose TERRIBLY out of character. Stand-alone from DW, "Girl in the Fireplace" is brilliant (if you ignore THOSE plot-holes), but within the DW arc, has absolutely no character consistency at all. "Blink" I've only watched once and loved it. I'm afraid to watch it again. "Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead" were crap from day one. Horrible plot holes, horrible character inconsistency, horrible story. Just bad, bad, bad. So yeah, NOT a Moffat fan.

And, well, I loved Rose from beginning to end. And I don't see how Rose lost her backbone when she helped create a dimension canon, and then fought bad-guys when she got to Earth, before being brave enough to handle being thrown a loop of a situation she never could have imagined, a 2nd Doctor. But then I'm an unabashed Rose, Doctor/Rose, Journey's End and RTD-fan.
logicisfailing: thechairlogicisfailing on July 21st, 2009 01:10 am (UTC)
I didn't think Rose was quite so out of character in the Doctor Dances 2-parter but I never have loved it as much as some people. But GiTF, honestly Moffat! Did you even READ the previous script!? No, no you didn't!

Agreed, loved Blink.

Forest of the Dead 2-parter, had so much potential, but fell so flat (not to mention insulted both Rose's memory and Donna, his current companion by implying how OMG OMG important River was to the Doctor. Bleh.) I thought Donna was cute with her stuttering husband (what was it, Tom?). I know some people thought that it implied she had to be married to be happy but I disagree - the very first episode when we see Donna she is devasted when her fiance turns against her. I thought it was nice that she finally had a happy romance. Anyway...

"And, well, I loved Rose from beginning to end. And I don't see how Rose lost her backbone when she helped create a dimension canon"
Agreed! I don't understand that perception... Or when people say she was destroying the world with her dimension camon just so she could see the Doctor. Um hello, the dimension canon worked because of the holes, it didin't cause them! Once holes start appearing in between universes and stars start "going out" it's time to try some creative solutions and give the Doctor a ring.
Arabian: Bad Wolfarabian on July 21st, 2009 01:16 am (UTC)
Rose was better in TDD, but there were still moments and TEC was just awful.

Donna's husband's name was Lee; Tom was Martha's fiancee (hopefully hubby via Torchwood 3).
logicisfailinglogicisfailing on July 21st, 2009 02:13 am (UTC)
I guess I'll always be more neutral on that 2-parter - don't hate it as much as some people nor love it as much. Agreeded though, I thought TDD was better.

Ah, thanks for correcting me on Donna's husband's name. Lee. *tries to lock it into brain*
(Anonymous) on July 21st, 2009 01:39 am (UTC)
I have to say is that I think the Doctor/Rose relationship was cheapened by having her end up with Doctor 2 (or whatever you want to call him). He wasn't the Doctor she fell in love with. You can argue this and that about it but I would have preferred to have that unresolved love story, obviously that's just a personal preference.
The Doctor sacrificed himself at Canary Wharf by staying behind. He let her go because he loved her and knew she'd be well taken care of by her family.

I think the ghost of Rose ruined any chance that Martha or Donna had of becoming a true companion because he was always comparing them to her. Poor Martha had her heart crushed but I think was she was in love with was the idea of what the Doctor stood for, the getaway from her live, rather than he himself. If I'd had my way, there would have been no love story at all.
I also think RTD, though I know he loved Rose, was pushed into bringing Rose back because of the overwhelming fan support of that ship. Though maybe he wanted some resolution to it? I don't know cuz I didn't read anything after Journey's End or about the reintroduction of character because I was less than enthused about it.
If you don't like Moffat, you don't like Moffat and I can't say anything to change your mind. Perhaps what I liked about his stories is that they did direct attention away from Rose and it was more about the adventure that googly-eyed love.
As far as "Blink", I'd love to have seen Sally Sparrow as a companion. I'm sure I wouldn't have ended up disliking her. She was independant, headstrong and motivated from the get-go similar to Donna (after The Runaway Bride), not clingy like Rose ended up being.
However, we'll just have to agree to disagree :)
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logicisfailinglogicisfailing on July 21st, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
"I have to say is that I think the Doctor/Rose relationship was cheapened by having her end up with Doctor 2 (or whatever you want to call him). He wasn't the Doctor she fell in love with. You can argue this and that about it but I would have preferred to have that unresolved love story, obviously that's just a personal preference."

I sort of agree with this. While I hope Ten2 & Rose are happy that ending just bothered me so much. I would've prefered to leave it at the Doomsday ending rather than the way it happened in JE. I don't hate Ten2 by any means, I felt sorry for him, does what the Doctor couldn't do and then gets banished for it. So much rambling & ranting I could do on this subject both for & against but I think I better stop, lol.
(Anonymous) on July 21st, 2009 02:30 am (UTC)
So much rambling & ranting I could do on this subject both for & against but I think I better stop, lol.

me too! before i end up with my foot in my mouth. lol
i never disliked 10.2 or RTD, just if i had written the series, a lot of things would've been done differently. :)
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logicisfailinglogicisfailing on July 21st, 2009 02:44 am (UTC)
"i never disliked 10.2 or RTD, just if i had written the series, a lot of things would've been done differently. :)"

For sure!
Larissalarissa_j on July 21st, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
ruined any chance that Martha or Donna had of becoming a true companion because he was always comparing them to her. Poor Martha had her heart crushed but I think was she was in love with was the idea of what the Doctor stood for, the getaway from her live, rather than he himself. If I'd had my way, there would have been no love story at all.

But that was Martha's storyline. That was the story RTD had to tell with her character. Part of her growth was being able to walk out of the TARDIS and away from the Doctor in LotTL and know that she wasn't second best. Sometimes people have to know when to leave a relationship. Staying isn't the healthy decision. I wanted to bang my head against the wall for all the posts I saw saying she should have stayed and tried to make it work. Um no. That's what she had been doing and it wasn't working.

As for Donna, I don't believe Ten ever compared Donna to Rose. I think the quip in PiC where Donna said that Martha did him some good was supposed to indicate that she straightened him out a bit - as much as possible. Donna was his best friend and he suffered her loss when he had to take her memories.
Larissa: Unicorn-Wasp - HAHAHA - Donnalarissa_j on July 21st, 2009 05:23 am (UTC)
Perhaps what I liked about his stories is that they did direct attention away from Rose and it was more about the adventure that googly-eyed love.

Reinette in Girl in the Fireplace wasn't falling all over herself with Ten? Writing ridiculous, flowery letters for him to read after she died? I don't count that as action. Sure there were clock-robots but if he's all about the action, why include the love letter/romance bit at all?

Or River in SiL/FotD? I'm sorry but the Library two parter was so weak on plot that it was obviously a mechanism to introduce River Song. Unless you count invisible flying piranha fish and Scooby Doo ripoffs as action.
logicisfailing: thechairlogicisfailing on July 21st, 2009 12:57 am (UTC)
Uh, NO! I wasn't even a huge Moffat hater but I can't believe he would stomp all over Doctor/Rose so soon. *please don't let this end terribly* This Doctor may not have gotten to stay with Rose but please don't ruin anything they had together by immediately replacing her. :-Z

Go AWAY River!
faith5by5_1013: Doctor Who: Doctor/Rose: Foreverfaith5by5_1013 on July 21st, 2009 01:35 am (UTC)
Steven Moffat is evil. I can't believe that they're filming at Bad Wolf Bay. Well, I can, but just because Moffat has no respect for Doctor/Rose.

He is spitting all over their story. And bringing River there. I want to throw a brick at his head.

He's going to lose a lot of viewers. The thing about RTD's DW is that he got a lot of female viewers. And that's really rare with Sci-Fi shows. I'm hoping the BBC sees that they're losing an entire part of the audience and that they have to hire someone who respects women. I can't believe they'd hire someone so sexist in the first place.

I haven't found a new fandom to jump into like I jumped into the DW fandom. I found a few new fandoms, but they've either been canceled or it just doesn't make sense that they'd have another season. They'd have to replace all of the characters and do something completely different. Also, nothing even comes close to RTD's Doctor Who.
(Anonymous) on July 21st, 2009 03:41 am (UTC)
Oh *fantastic*

I have been forced to abandon Torchwood - strangely enough, it was RTD being a sadistic bastard there - and now it looks like I'm going to have to do the same for Who.

...I'll just go and watch classic DW to remind myself of better times. *Points at Ace* This is what companions should be like!
(Anonymous) on June 29th, 2010 09:27 am (UTC)
Okay so all of these comments were from ages ago - and I'm some random anonymous user incredibly bored who somehow managed to find this page. Don't ask me how XD And now I have to comment. Don't take me as coming off harsh, I'm not :)

Okay. I disagree with almost everything here. Moffat is not "spitting all over" "the Doctor/Rose story." He's not filming at Bad Wolf Bay, either (the actual filming location might be the same for all I know but it was not filmed to BE Bad Wolf Bay). And he wouldn't do that, anyway, because that would be taking it way too far to see Rose AGAIN. Rose was RTD's creation. Moffat is the writer now - this is his era, his doctor, and his characters. They are not seriously going to keep referring to Rose as "the one" for another x amount of years and regenerations the show goes on for.

Personally, I hate Rose. She was unintelligent, clingy, the damsel in distress and way too dependent on the Doctor. If anyone was spitting over someone, it would be Rose spitting over Mickey. She completely abandoned him, as he said, gave him a kiss and ran off with the Doctor. She didn't even love the Doctor back then (and if she did then that's just worse than the Twilight series). RTD kept trying to write them like they were the best romance in the world, and half the show was about them and not the adventure. Moffat writes for the show. His plot lines are amazing. I fail to understand why people hate the Library two-parter, I thought it was fantastic. All of my favourite episodes are by him! And how can anyone assume Amy is in love with Eleven after one episode? (You can see her wedding dress for God's sake!) I knew from the start that Moffat would not create another pathetic head-over-heels smitten character, and I was glad.

And I love River! She's not a young clingy pretty-girly-girl teenager (I'm assuming this is pretty much why people hate her), nor is she as mary-sue as Rose. She's a much more interesting character and the amount of speculation "who is she?" that is brought up by the fans is fantastic.

I like to think of it like this: each regeneration is a different person. Each one has different feelings, personality, appearance etc. Ten loved Rose. Eleven loves.. well, assuming in the future, River. And Matt Smith is not trying to be David Tennant, he's trying to be the character that Steven Moffat wrote for him - which was nothing like David Tennant's! They retain similarities, yes, just like Moffat pointed out they do in his mini episode Time Crash. Series 5 was the best series of the whole revived series (in my opinion), and the finale was fantastic. The only RTD finale I liked was series 3, probably because of the lack of daleks. And the Doomsday two-parter is possibly my least-favourite, most anti-climatic finale of them all.

/end of rant :)
Siedemnasty Doktor: [hp] i respect your opinionpitrah606 on September 15th, 2010 06:42 am (UTC)
Series 5 was the best series of the whole revived series (in my opinion)

Thanks God it just your opinion :P Most time (watching this crap aka series 5). I was just boring. Amy (which in Moffat vison) has to be more brilliant than Doctor and be on first plan was clearly rubbish. (it's DOCTOR who, not AMY who, yeah?). I don't know anything about this new Doctor. Okay, except he looks like professor and is ugly and thinks (about himself) he's so cool and really he's not. Like a superhero for very stupid commercial teenagers.
(Anonymous) on December 12th, 2010 12:12 pm (UTC)
Boring's just your opinion. Amy is definitely nowhere as intelligent or brilliant as the Doctor, but yes, she had her moments. I personally thought it was nice - none of the other companions really worked the problems out by themselves, and it was refreshing to actually see a companion have some input and be smart, not just a useless tag-a-long in the background who shuts up and goes along with whatever the doctor does. He may be incredibly smart, but that doesn't mean that they're dumb. It's great to see the doctor and his companion ACTUALLY work together.

Anyway, so, Matt Smith looks like a professor? Don't ALL the doctors, in one way or another? And ugly.. really? Since when does his appearance make him a better or worse doctor, or tell you anything about him, for that matter? Not judging you, but the 'matt smith is so ugly waaaaaa' thing usually comes from the half of David Tennant's fan-base who are just girls that think he's hot.

I don't think you've watched enough of Matt Smith if that's all you can draw from his personality. True, it may not be as deep or emotional as David Tennant, but for me, I was getting SO sick of always seeing his emo/dark side. It was good at first, but I think RTD played it up too much and every time DT would do his little 'MY LIFE SUCKS' moments I'd just groan and be like, HURRY UP. GET ON WITH IT. Then again perhaps this is just me; I've had a lot of problems in the past with friends, even myself, being all sappy, and I've learnt to move on and grow a spine. No good comes from dwelling on the past. None at all.

A superhero for very stupid commercial teenagers? Might I say the doctor /is/ a superhero, and RTD was the one who revived the show (to be much more commercial), and he also made it much more appealing to a wider audience of teenagers. Particularly girls.. (David Tennant fan-base point again).

Anyway, I have nothing against David Tennant. He was a very enjoyable doctor, I love him, and I completely understand the appeal. I'm just glad that his time has come and gone. He chose to leave. The doctor regenerates. The show goes on. Matt Smith will regenerate too, and then maybe there'll be some young hot teenager, and all the David Tennant fangirls will come back.
(Anonymous) on August 16th, 2011 07:16 am (UTC)
What?!
Watch the show much? Amy Pond is the most annoying companion since Peri! Doctor Who has become, "All about Amy and her imaginary friend." This is pure garbage. Never has a companion grabbed so much spot light.

"how can anyone assume Amy is in love with Eleven after one episode"

Ummm...how about Amy trying to jump the Doctor's bones at the end of Flesh & Stone! Yeah she's not interested in the Doctor *eye roll*

Moffat couldn't write his way out of a paper bag. Glaring plot hole in the Big Bang. But let's just hand wave that away.

What was interesting about Davies series is that he payed homage to past charcaters, like Sarah Jane Smith. That was incredible because like most new Doctor's they don't go back and remember previous companions. So that was interesting. Moffat isn't interested in that. Hell he'd prefer to obliterate everything Davies did.

Steven Moffat is the new John Nathan Turner. He will destroy Doctor Who.
(Anonymous) on November 29th, 2011 09:37 pm (UTC)
Doctor Amy? Doctor Rose? DOCTOR WHO?!
I think all the companions had their defining moments with the Doctor - clearly he's still the main character, yes, but Rose had hers with her constant sacrifice for the Doctor and healing him - loving him, with Martha walking the world for him, with Donna becoming one of the most important women in his life, who changed him into something he could be proud of.

Plenty of companions worked out problems on their own; Martha fixed her family issues and chose them over the Doctor (solving her self-esteem issue), Donna worked out her own issues constantly, and Rose got BACK to the Doctor all by herself. The thing about companions is that they do need the Doctor to help them solve their issues (that's the point); you can't fault them for being human and needing some help every once in a while.

I agree with you on the ugly thing - that means nothing in the Who!niverse.

The Doctor's life does suck. He lost his planet, the love of his life, all his friends, every person that's ever meant something to him. It sucks.

We needed that dark/'emo' Doctor in order to get to happy, goofball Doctor. That was a transition, the Doctor went from dark and brooding (9), to happy sometimes and depressed others (10), and now we can have the cheery son of a TARDIS that we love (11). The Doctor can't be vapid, he has to have more than just goofy (which Matt does brilliantly) so you can't fault the writers for some depth. It's why we love the Doctor.

I totally agree with you on the last one. Though I did adore David he chose to leave and I respect that.

Though I am TOTALLY in love with Rose Tyler. She just makes me happy :)
(Anonymous) on July 9th, 2011 05:15 pm (UTC)
The storyline with River went on way to long. And the big reveal wasn't even that exciting. So she's Amy and Rory's daughter? And if you think about it, that means that the Doctor ends up loving Amy and Rory's daughter...weird. That's way too much drama in the TARDIS. It's like a freaking soap opera.
(Anonymous) on December 25th, 2011 03:17 pm (UTC)
Rose's appeal was that she wasn't a superhero, or a Mary Sue character. She was normal, relatable and grounded. The most un-common thing about her was that she had the spine to say what few people would actually dare to say to someone like the Doctor. It almost made you believe, or painfully wish, that the Doctor would come and whisk you away to see great and terrifying alien worlds, or pivotal moments in the past. You'd brave an army of Daleks just to experience that. More than just that, her relationships with her mum Jackie and ex-boyfriend Mickey made her seem even more rooted in the real world. The series 2 finale at Bad Wolf Bay was heart-wrenching in its finality.

Martha didn't bring the same sort of relatability. She was too good at everything. Donna was a return to form for the role of companion, because she forged a different kind of friendship with the Doctor that was equally as heart-wrenching when and how it had to end. Of the two, only Donna seemed to be that much of a real person, due to her strong relationship with her grandfather (though I wish they hadn't brought him back).

River Song and Amy Pond, however, give the viewer nothing to invest in. Amy's past has been retconned shamelessly so many times, it's near impossible to tell what even she considers really happened to her growing up. She brings her goofy sidekick along with her, the utterly forgettable Rory, which prevents them from having to return to anything that would make the two seem as though they came from real lives. River is just a total mish-mash of ridiculous and unbelievable sci-fi garbage, and the final reveal that she's somehow really a half human/half Time Lord/Lady was just insipid.

I think Moffat is sour that he's tried so many times to create his own Rose, but can't make people like his one-dimensional characters. Worse, he doesn't understand why they're so unlikeable - you can't put yourselves in their shoes.
magali29magali29 on December 27th, 2010 06:11 pm (UTC)
I don't consider myself as a DT fangirl. The guy has charisma but I don't think he is a sex bomb. But I loved Ten because he felt real, he felt human, he suffered like one, he fell in love like one, he had a best buddy like one. MS is okay but too alien and therefore not easy to relate to and care about. I cried, laughed and felt so much with Nine and Ten, as if they were real. 11 is more like a character in a show.

I'm not even going to talk about Amy. She'll be forgotten soon. People will only remember her because she was Rory's wife (Rory is the real revelation of series 5, for me, not Amy or River) and the rebound redhead companion, like "oh, that readhead, didn't she come after Donna?"
(Anonymous) on December 29th, 2010 04:48 am (UTC)
Problems with Steven Moffat
First, I'm a big Doctor/Rose shipper, so you know Moffat has made a practice of getting on my nerves in the past. Though I did love the Empty Child & Doctor Dances.

I hated Silence in the Library; I really didn't appreciate the smug River Song who comes out of nowhere and immediately is supposed to be more important than any companion the Doctor ever had. She doesn't even have to earn it. I thought that was really cheap, like he figured he couldn't actually create a character that important without forcing it on his audience up front.

Then we have the Girl in the Fireplace. I don't have anything to say that hasn't been said, just more of Steven insisting that the Doctor should be in love with someone with breeding and education such as Rose never had, even if that person is a long-dead hooker.

Anyway I still watch the show and I have no problem with Matt Smith, I like Rory very much, and Amy Pond grates my nerves most of the time, but what can you do? I just watched the Christmas Carol episode and I liked it, except for the part where Kazran hugged his previous self. I mean, come on, where were the big sky monsters swallowing up everything?? He just undid Father's Day without explanation.

Bottom line, I'm one of those female fans that never liked sci-fi and Davies roped me in by making me relate so much to one Rose Tyler and the bad ass yet lonely alien who saved her from a boring, listless existence. Moffat has yet to touch my heart in a similar way, and I don't appreciate him treating the series as if the Davies era never existed. Not cool, not respectful, and not a comfortable transition at all.
(Anonymous) on January 29th, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC)
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in disliking most of moffat's writing. I agree with those who pointed out the whole "I'm going to be the most important woman in your life" BS. River?! She's hideous! And I'm not just talking about her looks. She's a pain in the butt! She's so annoying even Ghandi would want to strangle her. And all of the plot-holes are beyond ridiculous! A 2-headed alien who wants to marry itself? A Black Queen Elizabeth the 10th? The ONLY way for the clamp on the Star Whale to be released is IF the Queen Abdicates? WTF?! And that's just the tip of the iceberg. And the girl in the fireplace was repulsive. The Dr falls in love with a woman who little more then a palace prostitute? And for series 6 that idiot has that disgusting River posing naked? Last time I checked this was suppose to primarily be a childrens show. He needs to go back to adult comedy. It's more his speed.
(Anonymous) on February 12th, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
I'm going to say that Moffat is a putz. He's as bad a Brannon Braga writing for Star Trek.

It's like he decided that he wanted to take staples of the show which had already been developed and had canon behind them, and add his own personal touch, destroying the canon aspects. Daleks that should come out as original as can be from that machine end up in bigger machines than the originals. The Weeping Angels no longer instantly transport you through time by touching you, now it was just because they wanted to. The Cybermen, the last of whom fell from the Void and were destroyed in "The Next Doctor" somehow come back, being able to operate while dismembered and carrying guns, all but not using their built in arm lasers, which is all they used before. Finally, the Void itself causing the Doctor to never exist because he went there. The Daleks and Cybermen were stuck in and crossed through it, the Doctor, Rose, Mickie and the rest passed through it, and now, suddenly when the Doctor goes to it he sudden never existed and all memory of him was erased.

Steven Moffat: Stop recycling old, in place material and changing/ruining it in the process. Stop stomping on what already is and make something new!!!!
(Anonymous) on June 1st, 2011 07:40 pm (UTC)
Steven Moffat hates Rose and I have no idea why. It's like he's trying to replace Russell T Davies characters (Rose) with his own (River). Steven Moffat's plot lines can be good sometimes but RTD had a great character depth.
romanforever on July 5th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
Moffat's writing is sloppy, overly contrived and cluttered. There are always these HUGE build-ups followed by these HUGE letdowns. Well for anyone with an actual working brain.
Maybe Mr Anonymous likes to turn his brain off so he can be surprised that River was the one inside the suit after all. Yeah, that was such a "huge" shock. Can anyone on here remember where you were when you found out river was the one inside the suit?! Sleeping most likely! lol
And Wow! What a shock! the gross vile pig from hades turned out to be Amy and rorys daughter from h*ll! And oh guess what?! The Tardis imbued her with Time Lord DNA. oh but WAIT! The ONLY DNA the Tardis would have access to is The Doctors! So that means that the Doctor and the bile River are Genetically Related which means their already gross relationship is now even more gross BY INCEST!
And this sociopathic puke of a character held the entire Universe hostage and River's psychotic fans are denying this reality and running around babbling out of their rear-ends that this farce of a relationship is some great love story! If that doesn't prove how insane they are, nothing does.
Oh and now cue the condescending morons to go on and on about how "angry" I am and other laughable crap! I hate a make-believe character and Moffat's crappy juvenile writing, NOT ALEX OR STEVEN!
and anyone (Especially NOW) saying she is a hero is either a troll or a complete and total nut-job!

Edited at 2012-07-05 11:40 pm (UTC)
Melissa GrimesMelissaG71 on October 18th, 2012 12:45 am (UTC)
I will always be a Doctor & Rose shipper and fan. Like many of you I can't stand what Moffat has done to the show. DT is my favorite Doctor so I'm really glad I don't have to see him have to pretend to be in love with River after all he and Rose have been through. I've tried to get into the newer seasons, and I've tried to like the new Doctor but I can't.
(Anonymous) on October 10th, 2013 01:03 am (UTC)
I was one of the original anons on this (idk? my post was on June 29 2010 arguing against the original lj post) and I have to say it is entertaining to find this page still in my old bookmarks, and to read all the replies over the past few years. All I have to say is that I have totally changed my viewpoint.

When I first wrote that (during or after series 5 aired, I don't remember) I was really excited by it, and I really liked Steven Moffat, but over series 6 and 7 my interest in the show has totally declined. What I really liked about Moffat was his ability for plot - all his episodes in the RTD era (Blink, Girl in the Fireplace, Silence in the Library etc) were always my favourite because the plot/settings were so exciting, but what I failed to realise was it was only because RTD's characters were already there. When you take those believable characters away, the plot doesn't matter anymore.

I really wanted to love Amy but truth be told I just gradually began to hate her because she had no depth and was constantly thrust upon the audience. River also seemed exciting at first (though I agree that she was also thrust upon the audience and we were expected to love her, which was bad), but she stayed at the same level of character depth the more the show went on. Characters are supposed to GROW, but every time she showed up it would be the same smugness and the same one-liners. The only character I enjoyed was Rory, because he was the only normal, human, relatable character of the lot. The point of companions is that they are supposed to be normal human beings, and THAT is why they are special, THAT'S why the Doctor chooses them and loves them, not because they are giant mysteries for him to solve. Look at Clara! How are any of us supposed to relate with the companions when we could never be put in their shoes, because we're not gifted and special enough? Though I still really like Matt Smith, I do realise he's a bit too alien/shallow to relate to. I used to think that was a good thing - the Doctor's MEANT to be an alien, right? - but he is lacking another layer of human depth underneath that Nine and Ten both had. I like some of the plot setups of Moffat's era and the improved, gothic-like cinematography but that's about it. I can't stand his shallow characters anymore - and don't even get me started on his sexism. I've literally watched almost every Moffat episode only once, and have no desire to rewatch them. I have watched RTD's episodes hundreds of times. I even had to actually google that there was a series 7 as well as 6 for this post - that's how forgettable it was.

I don't think Moffat actually hates Rose or specifically created River to undermine her, but I do think he's trying to recreate the same relationship and he has not done it well at all. I agree something like that has to be earned, not shoved in the spotlight and instantly be loved. However, the only thing I still really don't like is that people will immediately diss any sort of character presented in a romantic light and refuse to even think about it twice because they're not Rose. I don't mind Rose so much anymore, nor her relationship with the Doctor, but I don't think it's fair to expect that he, especially in another whole regeneration, can never love again.

I was really let down by what I hoped Moffat could make and I am so uninterested in the show now it's a joke. He has good ideas but they are poorly executed and his character development is horrible. I don't care about anything that happens to them. I still watch it and really try and force myself to get into it, but I can't. I've probably missed a few episodes out of disinterest, now that I think about it. I will just have to keep watching and hope that another writer will come along soon and bring it back to how it was.