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11 July 2009 @ 02:32 am
Torchwood - Days One through Five  
Finally sat down and watched it all together. Woohoo!!

Okay, overall, DAYUM! This was a sucker-punch. I could not believe they killed off Ianto (sadly, I wasn't that effected as he never was a favorite), but still wow. I spent most of the last "day" crying. Seriously. It started with the Frobisher part and his family, and then when the kids were being taken, and then when Jack used Steven. And, gah! It was just so painful. Rusty sure knows how to rip your guts out and then stomp all over them in stiletto heels!! Depressing end (unless you're a Gwen/Rhys fan and you were happy to know that the PM is going DOWN!), but true to the show because it's always been laced with melancholy and sadness. Even more than Rusty's Who. Still, it was done in such a way that if they (likely, I think) there's a fourth series, it can easily be picked up with Jack returning, Gwen and Lois part of the team. Aww, I loved Lois. I also loved how they brought in the families of Jack and Ianto (especially Ianto -- I loved his family).

Speaking of Jack and Ianto; I did appreciate how Rusty actually gave them some depth as a couple, which, in my opinion, had been missing completely through the first two years. I also liked the explanation about Ianto and sexuality, because I always was 'huh?' with him and Jack because of Lisa and no signs of homosexuality before he and Jack started. So, Ianto's statement that it was just him, just Jack fit and filled that backstory nicely.

All in all, great acting (Barrowman actually did a great job!) and great story. Very powerful stuff. As horrible as Jack's decision was to give the original twelve and then sacrifice Steven; God, it was horrible, it did have to be done. I kept thinking of this chapter in Max Brooks' World War Z that dealt with the solution and how as horrific as some decisions are, for the greater good, they DO have to be done. Twelve lives versus twenty-five million? One life versus millions? It's terrible, so, so terrible, but, there it is.

Great job, great stuff and Eve Myles continues to be so very, very, very awesome. I would die with glee if somehow, someway, she, Billie, Catherine Tate and Naoko Mori did some project together. It would be THE most awesome female-cast EVER assembled.

Ah, Rusty, you didn't disappoint. Now let's bring some of that magic for the last two episodes of Who and less of the crapola you offered for "The Planet of the Dead," kay?

Quick random thoughts --

- Totally irrelevant but it was early on and made me squee!! Martha and (better-be) Tom on their honeymooon!!!!

- Andy!!!! Love him.

- Lois BETTER be part of the team in series four. And bring Andy on too, dangit!

- As nice as it was to know the PM was going down, I couldn't help but think that the lady who would be in charge was nearly as bad.

- I thought it was a blooper when Bridget Spears said that she had that discussion with Lois, but I went back and checked and we do have a break between her telling Lois: "I should get back to work" and then there's a cut to her leaving. So yeah, nice move there.
 
 
 
Sea Hag: Discworld-Catssyrenstar on July 11th, 2009 07:31 am (UTC)
Jack/Ianto needed more depth, out of no where they were a suddenly together. To me it felt like fanservice and not a real relationship, where was the build up, the emotional connection? I'm glad tptb changed that even if it was only to add more humph to the sucker punch.

Every time we cut to the government I mourned Harriett Jones all over again and cursed Ten and his high handed ways.

Lois was very Donna-esq imo, I'd love to have her back. I'm looking at your icon and all but two of them are dead ^_^
Arabian: Gwen Somberarabian on July 11th, 2009 07:45 am (UTC)
Jack/Ianto needed more depth, out of no where they were a suddenly together. To me it felt like fanservice and not a real relationship, where was the build up, the emotional connection?

Agreed completely; and then Rusty came and gave them some much, much-needed depth. Of course, you're right that it was for the sucker-punch, but at least it felt like an earned sucker punch because of the depth Rusty gave them.

Every time we cut to the government I mourned Harriett Jones all over again and cursed Ten and his high handed ways.

Oh, me too. Me too. Oh, Harriet! You were the bestest ever. At least tbey have her on Pete's World.

Lois was very Donna-esq imo, I'd love to have her back.

If the actress is available, I'm sure Rusty will try and include her. And you're right, she was Donna-esque.

I'm looking at your icon and all but two of them are dead ^_^

TOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kaffyr: Super Gwenkaffyr on July 11th, 2009 07:35 am (UTC)
Yeah, I thought it was brilliant. Not even depressing. It was profoundly sad, yes, but not depressing. As for Ianto's sexuality, I wish that line hadn't gotten in there, or at least that it had been written so that it didn't come off as "It's OK for him to be Jack's lover because it's just Jack's awesomeness he's in love with, and HE'S NOT REALLY TEH GAIIIIIAIIEEE!!" because it ends up doing the exact opposite of what I think Rusty wanted to do. He wanted, I think, to say that one falls in love with who one falls in love with, and physical attraction follows, and what damn business is it of yours, Mrs. Grundy - but it didn't impress me that way.

Gah, I'm tired and incoherent. I loved it, and I cried more in the final night than I did in any of the previous four nights. (I liked Ianto well enough, and he was awesome in CoE, but his fate didn't move me as it did a great deal of fans.)
Arabian: Gwen Somberarabian on July 11th, 2009 07:47 am (UTC)
But the thing is that with Ianto, it DID make sense because NOTHING before Jack kissed him indicated that Ianto was gay at all. In fact, we had the whole Lisa backstory, so by saying that it was Jack, just Jack, Jack transcended sexuality for Ianto, that made it actually make sense with the backstory.

He wanted, I think, to say that one falls in love with who one falls in love with, and physical attraction follows

Oh, but that's how I completely saw it. Ianto wouldn't have fallen in love with Jack because he was gay and Jack was hot; no, it was ABOUT Jack. Jack is who he loved, not that he was a hot man, not that he was gay .. it was Jack. Completely and 100% Jack.

I loved it, and I cried more in the final night than I did in any of the previous four nights. (I liked Ianto well enough, and he was awesome in CoE, but his fate didn't move me as it did a great deal of fans.)

This is me. Yup.
kaffyr: Super Gwenkaffyr on July 11th, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
I'm glad that the sentence hit you in that fashion. If you read it that way, then many more people probably did, and that's all to the good.

Edited at 2009-07-11 07:12 pm (UTC)
Giorgia: TW - jantotazza_di_jo on July 11th, 2009 07:50 am (UTC)
I'm... slowly coming to terms with it all. I did love Ianto, so that hit me hard, but I can accept it. Maybe. With time. And lots of fanfic.

What I'm having the most trouble with, is Jack using Steven. I agree that, however horrible, it needed to be done. But why did it have to be JACK'S CONSCIOUS CHOICE? They were in a building full of military people, Mr. Dekker clearly knew what they were talking about and could have handled the tech stuff. Couldn't they have played it with Jack refusing outright and having to be restrained and powerlessly watch like Alice... you know, have the IMPARTIAL PEOPLE make the decision. Jack would have blamed himself anyway, but at least he wouldn't have THIS on his conscience. For all of eternity. I have never been Jack's biggest fan (I find him likeable enough... but in small doses), but that... how could RTD do that to him? There's no coming back from that.
Arabian: Torchwoodarabian on July 11th, 2009 07:58 am (UTC)
That's been a theme throughout the Torchwood series, though. About Jack and his conscious choices. He's like the Doctor in that way. It's what I wrote specifically about with regards to him in "Small Worlds."

I was near tears at the end there. It was just sad and beautiful and poignant and I LOVED seeing Jack deal with the consequences and how his "companions" were unable to understand his choice. It was so awesome seeing a "human" point of view with what the Doctor does all the time. I know that people probably watch this without a Who background, but I really do think it's giving so much more depth to moments like Jack demanding of his crew what he should have done as they all walk past him, unable to look at him. Just so powerful.

Because of his association with the Doctor, and because of ALL that he's lived through, he knows that he has to and he knows HOW to make the hard choices, just like the Doctor.
JCAPPS, INCOGNITO.: (tw) gwenthistwilight on July 11th, 2009 03:28 pm (UTC)
Great job, great stuff and Eve Myles continues to be so very, very, very awesome. I would die with glee if somehow, someway, she, Billie, Catherine Tate and Naoko Mori did some project together. It would be THE most awesome female-cast EVER assembled.
HELL TO THE YES. I WANT THIS SO BAD NOW.


And yeah, Lois needs to be in the next series.
Arabian: Gwen Somberarabian on July 11th, 2009 04:32 pm (UTC)
Would it not be THE MOST AWESOME THING EVER!??!?!?!?!??!?!?

I really hope we see Lois in the next series; she was great.
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Arabian: Dr Who (Nine)arabian on July 11th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Gwen got a happy ending, at least. Overall, I thought this was very well done. I don't mind stuffs that's sad and makes me cry when it's earned ... and this was so earned. :)