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27 May 2009 @ 02:37 am
New BtVS? Eh.  
Hmm, maybe because Buffy the Vampire Slayer was never QUITE as awesome after the first two seasons for me, or maybe because Nicholas Brendon (by FAR my favorite) was used less and less, and generally when used it was only as comic relief/loser boy. Or maybe because once Joss essentially handed the reins over to the evil in show-exec-producing that is Marni Nixon, she pretty much destroyed the show for me and, you know, Joss let her do it, I'm just not horrified, outraged, pick your verb of choice over the rumor that they're remaking BtVS without Joss or the television cast. Sure, I think it'll probably be sucky, but yeah, beyond a handful of amazing episodes, the show began losing me season three, and it was GONE TO OBLIVION after "Once More with Feeling."

So, yeah, I don't really care. I know, I know, I'm the only person on the planet who was at one time obsessed with Buffy the Vampire Slayer who feels this way.

I know.

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faith5by5_1013: Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Willowfaith5by5_1013 on May 27th, 2009 07:19 am (UTC)
Obviously I care. But some Buffy fans are saying they don't care and may see it. So you're not alone in not caring. It's just that the most vocal people who have been fans of Joss for a very long time are angry about it.
Arabian: Rose_Thinkingarabian on May 28th, 2009 02:45 am (UTC)
I know that others do care strongly, I just don't because, well, there was a Bufft before Joss and if he's cool with it, then I say why not? After all, J.J. Abrams completely rebooted Star Trek, had nothing to do with the original and yet he gave a respectful, inventive take, so anything's possible...
faith5by5_1013: Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Willowfaith5by5_1013 on May 28th, 2009 02:57 am (UTC)
Actually, Joss wrote the script for the original movie. They just decided to kind of destroyed it, in my opinion.
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on May 28th, 2009 04:29 am (UTC)
True, that's right he did write that. And, that's not just your opinion about them destroying it. I pretty much think that's most people's opinion, LOL!
faith5by5_1013: Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Willowfaith5by5_1013 on May 28th, 2009 04:32 am (UTC)
I actually saw someone at a comm saying it was the one BtVS thing they loved and that really surprised me. It was painful.
Arabianarabian on May 28th, 2009 09:51 am (UTC)
That? Is just sad. So very, very sad.
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Arabian: TVarabian on May 28th, 2009 02:46 am (UTC)
I'm withholding judgment simply because I think enough time has passed -- in that, they'd have to completely re-do the whole concept now were they to use the same actors, that re-boot (ala Star Trek) could turn out amazing. Could suck royally, but you never know. I'm sure that you won't be alone in having nothing to do with it, though. By a long shot.
marikenobi: Boomarikenobi on May 27th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
I used to love BTVS. I never missed it. But then it just began to suck. It wasn't fun anymore... so I stopped watching... and yeah they totally wasted NB. I heard the show had wayyy too many problems inside cast and crew and sometimes it showed...
Arabian: Veronica_Anime-Stylearabian on May 28th, 2009 02:47 am (UTC)
I just know that after season three, despite some great episodes, it started to fall off. Season four REALLY did and then Nixon lost me with the OOC, Fanfic-come-to-screen pairing of Buffy/Spike. Despite their chemistry, I still shudder at how that woman ruined my show with her Spike/James Marsters obsession.
marikenobimarikenobi on May 28th, 2009 04:42 am (UTC)
Spuffy was so wrong. So very wrong.
Arabianarabian on May 28th, 2009 09:53 am (UTC)
Yes. This. THIS A GAZILLION TIMES!!!!!!! If ever a show should ignore chemistry between actors, THIS was it!!! Playing it up in Willow's every comment comes true episode ("Something Blue?"), was fabulous, but actually hooking them up!?!? God no. And then, of course, when they tried to step back and show the reality of Spike -- coming this close to raping her -- all the Spike/Buffy fans hated it. So she pissed everyone off.
leosgreens: handsleosgreens on May 28th, 2009 04:41 pm (UTC)
Yes. We were punished horribly for our Spuffy love. Alas...
leosgreensleosgreens on May 28th, 2009 04:40 pm (UTC)
And how lovely it was. OOPS, I mean yeah, that totally reeked. :P
Timeladywitch: We are not amusedgothcat1969 on May 27th, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)
I CARE. It angers me. Unfortunately you missed several good season after you stopped watching esp. season 5,6,and 7. All were well written and dark and could be saddening. As far as Xander, he stopped being comic relief after season 3

So I freaking care and it pisses me off to no end.
Arabian: One Angry Loganarabian on May 28th, 2009 02:50 am (UTC)
I HATED the Buffy/Spike subplot to the core of my being. It was such a betrayal of the character of Buffy, nothing, simply nothing could justify that subplot for me. Nixon had a hard-on for Marsters and took advantage of the admitted Gellar/Marsters chemistry to essentially put fanfic onscreen. In the process, she destroyed the essence of Buffy, and thus the show, for me. No "great" episode could make up for that. And I followed enough to know that despite having a few strong episodes, Xander was still portrayed as the buffoon much more than not. It was only Brendon's incredible, and yet horribly underused, talent that made the character much more than what the writer's generally pigeon-holed him as. There were moments and scenes that showed him as more, but not enough. Not by a long shot.
Laurel: Scarlettcorusca on May 28th, 2009 05:25 am (UTC)
THANK YOU! Oh my god so very this. I loved Spike - as a villain. He was AWESOME as a villain. But making him a good guy destroyed his character, and making Buffy feel any affection for an unrepentant mass-murderer just destroyed the entire point of her character. Urrgghh.

Also, the fact that Willow somehow made a transformation from dweeby little computer girl (whom I totally identified with) to super cool, sexy lesbian witch over the course of about two years, while Xander....did nothing. He could have been completely taken out of the show and I doubt it would have changed more than half a dozen episodes over the last three seasons.

Grr.
Arabianarabian on May 28th, 2009 09:54 am (UTC)
So much word. SO. MUCH. FUCKING. WORD!
hiddeneloise: PamWTF?/The Officehiddeneloise on May 27th, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC)
Never claim to be the only person on the planet to do or feel anything. Chances are, you find at least one other person who feels the same, and it won't even be that far away on the planet. In fact, it'll be right on your Friends List. lol.

I admit, I'm curious to see what it would look like. I figure if Joss isn't outraged, why should I be? They'd obviously need his permission, right? Or he does he not own the rights to the thing?

I liked Xander, but I was never all that invested in him. I always felt he was more of a comic relief, and from the get-go. But I never saw anything wrong with that. The show this dark needed a good, endearing, heartfelt comic relief. My issues with the later seasons of Buffy were with other aspects.
Arabian: Logan_Hiarabian on May 28th, 2009 02:51 am (UTC)
I was reacting more to the reaction on my flist actually.

I ADORED Xander, he was my Logan/Jason Dohring before he came along. THAT'S how much I loved him.
Laurel: Kaylee and Inaracorusca on May 28th, 2009 05:16 am (UTC)
This is the only Joss icon I have, hah.

It doesn't make me mad or anything (like you, the show went steadily downhill in my estimation after season two), but it just seems totally unnecessary. The show has only been off the air for a few years, and was itself a 'darker reimagining' of the movie. Seriously...is there a point? Are there any more stories to be told about a teenage valley girl fighting vampires? I don't really think so.

Plus, I don't feel like listening to the internet bitching that will commence.
Arabian: dollhouse01arabian on May 28th, 2009 09:55 am (UTC)
I can understand both reasons why you're against it. Definitely valid points.

Okay, my only Joss-related icon.
aroniwen on May 28th, 2009 06:26 pm (UTC)
You know I never really got into BtVS, and I've never had a particularily good reason for it-- especially because everone else I knew watched it. I enjoyed the first season but it kind of just fell off the radar for me some time in season two. But still-- without the head writer or any of the same cast, that either sounds a bit rough or a whole lot like another sci-fi show I could think of.... ;)