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31 March 2009 @ 12:32 am
'The Big Bang Theory' & quick HIMYM  
Just quick on How I Met Your Mother, more on TBBT.

The Big Bang Theory -- I guess I'm in the minority on the S&P front with my fellow Moonpies. Most loved this episode and their interactions, not me. Sure, Sheldon wasn't taken in by Alicia, but he also was oblivious (more than normal) to Penny's upset and, also, Penny didn't seem like she liked Sheldon all that much which was really disappointing coming off of last week's episode. Plus, while the 'wow' mirrored Sheldon's 'oh my God' from "The Terminator DeCoupling," and Sheldon's "wow," from last week, it was still a little insulting and a shared moment with Leonard. Still, there was definitely some good stuff. Just overall, I was disappointed with the vibe of their scenes, when it's been a lot less, well, annoyed (from Penny's angle) and oblivious and annoying (from Sheldon's angle) lately. Oh well.

ETA: I will say that dresden_doll_01's picspam on this episode totally made me view it in a shippier light, so much, much appreciation to her! :)

Random things (including the S&P stuff I did like) ...

- The two single funniest moments in the episode to me were delivered separately by Jim Parsons and Kaley Cuoco, both due to their excellent delivery (although, Kaley's was non-vocal). Sheldon's "It's not." about change being good ... the delivery that Jim used was frickin' genius!!! Just the way he looked up, his voice softened like a child almost was hilarious. And then in the laundry room when Penny began to explain shields by using a Star Trek metaphor and then she stopped and looked away, her expression so agog ... man, it was perfect.

- The fact that Penny has figured out how to sorta deal with Sheldon's neurosis. The others coddle him and thus don't help. Penny deals with it, and then does something else. Notice how he stopped going on after she did her thing? Uh huh. Made for each other!

- Penny getting his order almost perfect and how they did it with him, quickly saying them, and her having them ready. See, made for each other.

- On the not so great end, I thought it was a over-the-top the way Penny was dressed in baggy pants/sweatshirt in the first scene as well. The hallway was fine because of the no laundry issue, but the first scene was overkill.

- Sorry, not trying to be catty, but not only was Penny WAY prettier and hotter (I don't float that way, but damn, Kaley Cuoco has a seriously awesome rack), but Alicia wasn't even really all that pretty, imo.

- Speaking of Alicia, you know it was really annoying when she was saying Penny was just like her because Penny NEVER uses the guys the way Alicia was, not even in the beginning. So I really liked how the show very simply showed (and not told) that Penny truly cares for the guys and isn't just using them. Good job.

- And this episode added yet more proof to my growing theory that the show has seen that L&P may not be the endgame after all (I think I'm going to write that post this weekend.) Seriously, Leonard acted pretty much exactly with Alicia as he had with Penny. EXACTLY!

- I love Jim Parsons and Sheldon, but that was a TERRIBLE! Admiral Ackbar impersonation. Just awful.

- "They're gone, Penny. They can't hear you." BWAH!

- OMG! Raj's "So I can take them both out with a number two pencil?" BWAH HAH!!!!

Overall good episode, not great, and again, I wasn't feeling the S&P vibe especially considering last week's episode and the number of scenes they shared tonight, but still ... it's The Big Bang Theory so it was still pretty dang awesome. LOVE. THIS. SHOW!

How I Met Your Mother -- Very funny episode tonight and the two-party voice message with Barney/Robin was deliciously couply. LOVED.

Damn, this block of CBS funny is so fantabulous!!!!
 
 
 
faith5by5_1013: How I Met Your Mother: Barney/Robinfaith5by5_1013 on March 31st, 2009 05:13 am (UTC)
I really loved the episode of The Big Bang Theory, but I still don't have a ship for the show. So I wasn't all upset by any shippy scenes or lack thereof.

in the laundry room when Penny began to explain shields by using a Star Trek metaphor and then she stopped and looked away, her expression so agog

I laughed so hard at that. Her expression was hilarious.

Kaley Cuoco isn't my type at all, but I agree that she's way hotter and prettier than Alicia.

Speaking of Alicia, you know it was really annoying when she was saying Penny was just like her because Penny NEVER uses the guys the way Alicia was, not even in the beginning. So I really liked how the show very simply showed (and not told) that Penny truly cares for the guys and isn't just using them. Good job.

Yeah, I loved that. That was one of the things I said in my post about the episode, but you described it much more coherently than me. I was all over the place... When I saw commercials for the show, I was horrified because I was sure it was going to be some pretty girl using geeky guys to get what she wants. And it's not that at all. Penny is awesome!

And this episode added yet more proof to my growing theory that the show has seen that L&P may not be the endgame after all (I think I'm going to write that post this weekend.)

I think I have to use VM to explain my philosophy on this. I don't know if Rob ever intended to put Logan and Veronica together (he might have, I don't know. But I'm pretty sure he didn't plan on them being the main couple), but the reason they were the endgame is because they were by far the most popular ship on the show (it doesn't hurt that Kristen Bell and Jason Dohring have amazing chemistry). So, basically, I think that The Big Bang Theory writers probably originally planned to have L&P be the endgame but, from what I've seen in my very short time in the fandom there seems to be way more S&P shippers than L&P shippers. So I think that the writers will probably go for what the majority of the fans want, you know? A lot of writers do that.

With How I Met Your Mother, I just loved seeing Barney and Robin together at all. And I agree about their couple-y voice message!
Arabian: Epicarabian on March 31st, 2009 05:24 am (UTC)
Yeah, I loved how they did the Penny/Alicia thing. Oh, how can you not see the awesome Parsons/Cuoco chemistry? I adore them!! They are my new squee couple with (::sobbsob::) Doctor/Rose locked away in an alternate universe. Ah well, I know, tastes vary. (But we have SO many other couples in common!!!)
I think I have to use VM to explain my philosophy on this. I don't know if Rob ever intended to put Logan and Veronica together (he might have, I don't know. But I'm pretty sure he didn't plan on them being the main couple), but the reason they were the endgame is because they were by far the most popular ship on the show (it doesn't hurt that Kristen Bell and Jason Dohring have amazing chemistry). So, basically, I think that The Big Bang Theory writers probably originally planned to have L&P be the endgame but, from what I've seen in my very short time in the fandom there seems to be way more S&P shippers than L&P shippers. So I think that the writers will probably go for what the majority of the fans want, you know? A lot of writers do that.
I've used that analogy a lot in the past. I know we weren't friends during VM, but I was pretty close to being one of the top peoples on the L/V front (I broke the spoiler of their first kiss to the interwebs, go me! and ran the Logan/Veronica message board). Rob DEFINITELY did not plan LoVe, instead wanted VD, and both he and Kristen Bell (who is a heinous bitch, sorry, but true -- I know too many H'wood people who've confirmed this time and again) desperately wanted VD and kept trying to push it so hard. That's why we got what we did in S2 -- Bell didn't want to work with Jason Dohring {whatever}.

When that didn't work -- the fans booed the Duncan/Veronica stuff ferociously at this VM viewing with the cast and Rob Thomas, and Bell said clearly to the people in the front row, "stupid fans." -- they went with Piz in s3. Even though, by now, Thomas finally accepted that LoVe was it, endgame, Bell hadn't. The reason LoVe broke up in S3 and that whole Piz angle happened is because Thomas was basically tired of fighting with Bell over it, and so kept them apart as much as he could while still pushing the LoVe story that the CW wanted him too. Ah, VM, how into that fandom I was was insane. LOL! At least, I got an ending I was happy with, absolute proof that Logan and Veronica were endgame forever and with the show's cancellation neither Thomas nor Bell can ever screw that up.

Edited at 2009-03-31 05:28 am (UTC)
faith5by5_1013: Veronica Mars: Logan/Veronica: Epicfaith5by5_1013 on March 31st, 2009 05:32 am (UTC)
I think most of the people I know who watch the show are Sheldon/Penny shippers. I just don't see the appeal.

We do have a lot of other ships in common.

Yeah, Rob said on the DVDs that they were the main ship of the show and (I hadn't heard that about Kristen, but he may have just been avoiding that topic) at some point, they would have ended up together. Just not on the show because it got canceled. But, yeah, he said that LoVe was endgame.
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on March 31st, 2009 05:39 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah, it was obvious by the s3 arc BEING the Logan/Veronica story that Rob had finally accepted that LoVe were it. Bell just never went onboard with that. Ugh. Yeah, I'm sure RT avoids the Bell topic whenever humanly possible.
faith5by5_1013: Veronica Mars: Logan/Veronica: Swayfaith5by5_1013 on March 31st, 2009 05:43 am (UTC)
I think it was obvious he accepted it at the end of season 2. With the whole epic scene and all.

Most people avoid discussing actor dramas on their shows. Like, I heard that SMG was a huge diva on the BtVS set. But I only heard it once because people are so reluctant to show the whole drama behind the scenes.
aroniwen on March 31st, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)
I am very purposly not reading this.... but you've got me completely hooked on BBT, and I am currently somewhere in season one. And it's brilliant, I love them all!
Arabian: Jim Parsons02arabian on March 31st, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm so glad you're enjoying it!! Do come back when you're caught up (shouldn't take long with the length of the episodes) and let me know what you think. Oh, I hope you ship Sheldon and Penny!!!!
aroniwen on March 31st, 2009 11:07 pm (UTC)
Quite frankly it's taking way to short of a time concidering my course load ;)

And I kind of vaguely ship Sheldon/Penny... in that I love Sheldon with a fiery burning passion (um....) and quite like their dynamic. I'm just not usually a shipper at all when I watch shows *shrugs*
Arabian: Sheldon & Penny - Two Heartsarabian on April 1st, 2009 12:16 am (UTC)
And I kind of vaguely ship Sheldon/Penny... in that I love Sheldon with a fiery burning passion (um....) and quite like their dynamic.
Ooh! This is actually promising because that's exactly where I was during season one. It didn't hit me until early season two, so there's hope for you yet, even if you don't normally swing that way.

Hee! Hitchhiker's guide ...
aroniwen on April 1st, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)
You know what? I just finished 2:7 (The Panty Pinata Polarization) I think it's possible that I now ship them. Just a bit.

They're AWESOME.

(and I think the boys would appreciate Hitchhiker's Guide)
Arabian: Sheldon & Penny - Two Heartsarabian on April 1st, 2009 08:16 pm (UTC)
2.3 (The Barbarian Sublimation) started it for me, and then it hit in 2.7. I wasn't major, major into them yet, though, but that was the beginning. And then it just grew, partly because I became the co-mod of the S&P lj comm and became so immersed and partly because once I saw *it* each episode that went by just reinforced it. SO. MUCH!!!!!

I'm sure the boys already have Hitchhiker's memorized, LOL!
hiddeneloise: Relative/Einsteinhiddeneloise on March 31st, 2009 10:47 pm (UTC)
Most loved this episode and their interactions, not me.

Yeah, I could have easily read that episode either way. If I'm a shipper coming in, I can, maybe, try and discern something shippy in Penny/Sheldon interactions. But objectively speaking, I didn't think it had that vibe. Not like in the previous episodes. It was all too broadly focused on the whole "Penny's envious" thing, and had squat to do with Sheldon. Or that's how it felt to me, anyway.

I'm also with you on the "dead hooker #2" not being all that pretty. There's this notion that if a girl is blond and slim, she is beautiful. But that one just wasn't. Also pretty charmless.

OMG! Raj's "So I can take them both out with a number two pencil?" BWAH HAH!!!!

Funniest line of the episode.
Arabian: Beauty & the Geekarabian on April 1st, 2009 12:20 am (UTC)
Question as a non-shipper, did it come across that Penny was specifically jealous of Alicia's interaction with Leonard, or the guys (minus Sheldon) as a whole? I didn't get any Leonard-specific vibe (other than the printer thing, but that was a specific point and would have made as much sense coming from Howard ... except, you know, that Howard totally skeeves Penny out, understandably.) Leonard/Penny shippers (the few out there, and there really are only a few) are all thrilled because Penny was so jealous of Alicia because of her feelings for Leonard. Did my S&P shipper bias completely blind me to that?
I'm also with you on the "dead hooker #2" not being all that pretty. There's this notion that if a girl is blond and slim, she is beautiful. But that one just wasn't. Also pretty charmless.
Thank you. I thought so in the brief promo, but didn't want to judge the actress on just that, but no, she was awful overall. Bad casting there.
OMG! Raj's "So I can take them both out with a number two pencil?" BWAH HAH!!!!
Funniest line of the episode.
I did like the Sheldon and Penny moment each I mentioned above, but those were all about the delivery. Hands-down, yes, funniest line. Loved it.

Edited at 2009-04-01 12:21 am (UTC)
hiddeneloise: Relative/Einsteinhiddeneloise on April 1st, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)
Did my S&P shipper bias completely blind me to that?

I don't think so. I might not have gotten significant S&P vibes this episode (and I have seen them in previous eps, to be sure), but I certainly didn't see any hints of Leonard/Penny. I took the whole jealousy thing to be directed at the situation rather than any guy in particular. Penny is used to being the female center of their world -- theirs, not just Leonard's. And she was also genuinely insulted by the blatant use of the guys by Alicia. But I honestly and truly did not think there was anything there that even remotely hinted at her having any kind of feelings for Leonard. :)

Bad casting there.

Especially so that it inadvertently made the guys look like complete idiots led entirely by their d***s. Like it didn't matter that the girl was nothing special. She was blond and skinny and that's all it took. Blah.