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21 March 2009 @ 05:51 pm
My crack theory about the final episode of RTD's 'Who'  
I just had what I hope is a completely cracked out theory that has no chance of actually happening about the last Who special based on the latest spoiler, but ties into bunches of other rumors about what's to come ...

So shooting pictures just appeared of Jessica Hynes (who played Joan Redfern in Human Nature/Family of Blood, Series 3) doing booksignings of The Journal of Impossible Things, and I was just like, uhm, okay. But then, my brain jumped to this crack idea!!! What if ... EEK! What if we're going to find out in the last RTD episode that Jessica Hynes is playing a writer who thought the Doctor was an urban legend and decided to write a novel about him and his adventures. Which would make the Time War, Nine, Ten, Rose, Martha, Jack, Donna, etc. all be the figment of this person's imagination!!!! And then there's either no regeneration, or we see Eight regenerate into a whole new Nine. This would tie into (I think) ALL of the rumors we've heard.

- Paul McGann is supposed to make an appearance in one of the specials.
- Moffat doesn't want the Time War to have happened.
- The Time War not happening, thus Nine and Ten regenerations don't happen.
- A different-looking TARDIS.
- Rose showing up (despite the events of Journey's End).
- Donna showing up (despite the events of Journey's End).
- The Master showing up (despite the events of The Last of the Time Lords).

On one hand, it would be great knowing that this way Moffat COULD NEVER TOUCH anything that RTD created. It also means that any future River Song is completely nil and void since she was a figment of imagination too (or the result of indigestion, you pick). On the other hand, it means that Nine and Ten never existed. Rose and Donna never existed. The Doctor and Rose's great, beautiful love story never happened. And that Rose and TenII aren't happy, in love and together in the alternate universe because ... it never happened. Christopher Eccelston and David Tennant's Doctors would no longer exist in canon. Period.

WAH!!! As much as I don't want Moffat touching anything of RTD's vision, I doubt he'd go near much of any of it anyway. So, I don't want this, I want Rose and the Doctor to still have their separate, can't be touched, beautiful hopeful ending. And, and, and ... Eccleston and Tennant's briliant Doctor's still be canon!!! So, so, soooooooo saner, more-experienced Who fans talk me down!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
 
sensiblecat: book cornersensiblecat on March 21st, 2009 10:30 pm (UTC)
Nice idea but my reaction to it was much the same as yours. It even outdoes the notorious "only a dream" shower scene in "Dallas" (and wouldn't RTD love that?)

I think it's more likely that we'll get a shoutout back to Dalek Caan changing the Time War. I do think if all these guys are coming back - and I'd be very cautious about believing the Sun - it'd either be as flashbacks or perhaps in the context of the Doctor being given a choice - would he go back to being Eight if the cost was that he'd never known Rose, etc?

And I repeat, where is Jack in all this? I'm getting worried about the next TW story now. Really worried!
Arabianarabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:43 pm (UTC)
I think I'm the only only person who liked the shower scene in Dallas, but that's because they used that device because the last two seasons has been AWFUL!! There are some shows I wish would employ that device. Here, it would be awful though.
Sheryl: DW: Rosebeauty_within16 on March 21st, 2009 10:45 pm (UTC)
Nice theory but like you I don't want this to happen. I want my favorite characters to be canon.
Arabian: Rose_Thinkingarabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm being talked down so I'm thinking it's all just some crackpot theory in my head and I'm loony. That works for me. :D
Marina: wtf?javabreeze on March 21st, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)
Frankly, I would be rather insulted if the time lines were reset or "it was all just a dream" bullshit making RTD's Who non-canon.

Edited at 2009-03-21 11:07 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
Agreed, but I think I was totally completely wrong. I just needed to get it out there and utterly debunked!
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Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:45 pm (UTC)
I think I'm wrong, totally wrong. Losing Nine from canon would be wrong, so, so wrong.
Larissa: Skinny Boys in suits (Ten I)larissa_j on March 21st, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
While I'd be happy to have River Song written off as bad tuna fish, they'd never make David Tennant's Doctor a non-Doctor. He is far too popular. ;) Plus, I don't think fanboy David would be too happy about being a nonDoctor-Doctor.

I'm going to guess that Joan Redfern published the Journal of Impossible Things as a work of fiction and made a lot of money but that it all actually happened.
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)
That (or the book passed down through the generations theory) works as well.
trustme1013: Dalek!Kaantrustme1013 on March 22nd, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
I don't know if I see it as Moffat taking it away. I see it as having what we love preserved in a special bubble where in a Mulholland Drive sort of way, we have everything we ever wanted. ish.

Didn't RTD kind of do something like this when he said that the Doctor wasn't half-human, even though 8 said he was?

Also, I wanted you to know I dug this icon out just for this post. I waded through icon files for half an hour. Your post is very Dalek Kaan worthy. =)
Arabianarabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)
I think I'm totally wrong now, which is a good thing.
madeelly: abby facesmadeelly on March 22nd, 2009 03:47 am (UTC)
=/

I don't like this so much.

Go away, Moffat.
Arabian: Donna/Rose promoarabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:47 pm (UTC)
I'm being convinced I'm wrong by the logic of the responses. Phew!
sunnytyler001: Rose & Ten 2sunnytyler001 on March 22nd, 2009 08:51 am (UTC)
I think it will be just Joan's granddaughter or grandniece (remember Gwen & Gnyneth) writing a book based on her grandmother/aunt's secret and precious diary/souvenir from John Smith. Look at the pictures. Ten as we know him is there. He wouldn't if he was just a piece of her imagination, right?
Plus, this book allows everybody is be part of the episode, in a flashback from the Doctor's memories, as Verity will telling him about her book.
Who knows, maybe she'll tell him the BBC contacted her because they wanted to adapt her book as a TV series... Lol. That would be made of win!!!!
And don't worry. RTD's Who is safe and keeps on running in the Alt!World. Ten II & Rose have their own Tardis and are free to love each other officially. They're having adventures on earth and everywhere/ everywhen in the universe, out of reach of the evil wizard Moffat.
... or at least, I hope so!
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Saidarabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds more logical. Definitely.
Beck: DW - Doc10 & Rose Hug by mrv3000beck_liz on March 22nd, 2009 06:04 pm (UTC)
Yeahhhh, no. As much as I like the idea of making Nine, Ten, Rose & etc. Moffat-proof, Bobby-in-the-shower is never the way to go. Even if they aren't actually real, I at least want those characters to be real in the universe of the show. FWIW, I really doubt RTD would do that. I've been reading his book (I've got a ways to go yet), but it just doesn't seem like a him thing to do.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on March 22nd, 2009 06:48 pm (UTC)
FWIW, I really doubt RTD would do that. I've been reading his book (I've got a ways to go yet), but it just doesn't seem like a him thing to do.
That's the main reason why I knew this had to be some crazy, crackpot theory of mine that had no basis in reality and never would. Yeah, I think the granddaughter thing makes much more sense.
gowdie: Animated Kissgowdie on March 23rd, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
This is me showing up to talk you down. Wheee!

RTD loves the show. He loves his show. And he really, really loves Ten. And Tennant. And there is no way he would retcon Ten out of existence. Tennant is the most popular Doctor since Four - the fans would shit. Tennant himself, I suspect would hate it, and as we know, his opinion on some decisions does carry weight. But more than any of that - I don't think RTD would ever do this because of his own feelings.

I also think RTD will give Ten as big and emotional as send off as he can. He will want to do right by him. So I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to find some way to bring back as many of Ten's companions as he can.

Now - he already did the big fight together in Journey's End, so it probably won't be a retread of that idea. It actually surprises me how many people are worried Rose will actually come back to this universe. RTD's idea, since Tennant's first episode, was to send 10.5 off to Rose. Giving them a happy ending, and us the idea thta Ten is still out there somewhere. So I would be very surprised if he messed with that.

However, the journal would be a huge impetus for Ten to think back to the people he knows. Either in prior footage, or in flashbacks of events we didn't see. It will likely depend on who he can get. But the journal seems like an excellent way to bring people back, without necessarily bringing them back in Ten's current time-line. It could also be a way to bring in Donna. He has to be sure that the book disappears, because of what it could do to Donna.

Really - it connects to all three companions. Donna because of the danger it could be to her. Martha, because she was there, perhaps she is the one who alerts him. And Rose, because she is in it. So it's a very good device to use for bringing Ten's story all together.
Arabian: Dr Who (Nine)arabian on March 23rd, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
Good job talking me down.

Yeah, I thought it was crack, and couldn't imagine RTD going that route, but I figure by putting it out there, the lunacy could be laughed and poked completely until it became so ludicrous in my mind, so yay! Mission accomplished.

And slightly OT: but you got my reply about the rewatch-reviews in the other post, yes?
gowdie: Animated Kissgowdie on March 23rd, 2009 05:11 am (UTC)
Trust in RTD - just keep repeating that when you get shakey. He has done amazingly well by us so far. The fact he basically allowed Rose and the Doctor to walk off into the sunset still boggles me. He has to give the Doctor back to the BBC when he's done playing with him - but he did the best he could to also tell his romance the way he wanted.

And yes I did! I look forward to seeing the next post!

this girl's mostly fictionanti_social_ite on March 28th, 2009 11:05 am (UTC)
I know it's been ages since you've posted this, but I just had a thought, reading this post. I'm not sure if it backs your theory or not, but the thing about Joan Redfern's descendent (assumedly) appearing? It's not the first time a descendent of someone who has previously appeared on dw has appeared ... And considering RTD loves planting a stream of clues (see Bad Wolf, Harold Saxon etc)... it could maybe mean something?