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26 December 2008 @ 08:22 am
DW Xmas Special: 'The Next Doctor'  
Don't want to spoil anyone, so thoughts behind the cut.

I really liked this; I didn't love it, but I did really enjoy it. Morrissey was FABULOUS and he and Tennant really do have a great chemistry. Dervla Kirwan was marvelous as the big bad; excellent, excellent job.

Okay then, I've got three kids with me that I'm watching, so just some quick thoughts. (Two of whom -- the 4 and 6 year old boys watched it with me and thought, in the words of the 6-year old: "This is awesome!")

- Alas, the whole River/Morrissey's Doctor theory has been shot to hell. Ah well. ::Sigh:: I'll just go with the events of FotD made the future that was supposed to happen go bye-bye and will let no other explanation sway me. In fact, I'll go so far to say that the future events with River had already not happened in the timeline once Rose entered the Doctor's life, and all of River's memories were based on a different timeline of hers. What? It's timey-wimey, spacey-cracky "Who" -- works for me!

- I wasn't horribly impressed with the actress playing Rosita. She kinda did nothing and brought nothing to an admittedly small role, but a stronger actress could have made more of it. I did like when she punched Miss Hartigan, but mostly because of how the Doctor said so approvingly that he disapproved, LOL!

- Speaking of Rosita, I knew there was a reason that Rusty picked that name and I honestly think it was simply to give that small Doctor/Rose moment when he said the name (accenting the "Ros" in "Rosita") was nice. Of course, it was then either preceded or followed shortly thereafter by the Doctor using the phrase "timorous beastie" which brought "Tooth and Claw" to mind.

- I'm glad that the Doctor chose to have dinner with them. Good for you, Doctor.

- On the other hand ... yeah, some leave, some forget you, and some break your heart ... but you forgot that some are dropped off in an alternate universe by you yourself without their say-so for their own good -- in YOUR opinion. (I'm all fine and cool with JE, but come on, Doc, don't re-write what happened, dude.) If anyone's heart was broken by that departure, it was no one's fault but your own, buddy-boy!!!

- Still, I was glad that despite that upbeat beginning, we did still get the sense that the Doctor WAS affected by the loss of Rose and Donna; because regardless of whether time has passed or not, I think we needed to see that he was still grieving them even if it was just to a small degree, because many of us are still grieving somewhat too.

- Still, the introduction was hilarious, even if I'd already watched it a few times. Actually pretty much going all the way up until Jonathan Lake was shellshocked at the top of the stairs after the Doctor was trying to hold off the Cybermen with the sword was pretty dang funny, even with the darker moments scattered here and there.

- This one was sad a lot, but it had a mild tenor of anguish compared to recent episodes, so it didn't seem that sad.

- Okay, call me dumb, but I don't get how/why Miss Hartigan blew up along with the Cybermen at the end there? Huh? Still, more on her character, I did think it was kinda cool that she was stronger than the Cybermen control, and how the Doctor acknowledged that. Very interesting character, she was.

- Loved seeing all of the Doctors, especially my first: Nine. Oh, Eccleston, how I love you so!

- There were a few appropriately eye-rolling-worth moments that I loved. Can't have an Xmas special without 'em.

- Heh, tapping the screwdriver on the door -- "See, it makes a noise. Sonic." And the Doctor's expression. LOL!

- Also funny, funny, funny was the Doctor's "whistling." Especially when Lake asked him if he was whistling again, and how the Doctor responded that "Yes, yes, he was." ROTL!

- Oh, the TARDIS as an air balloon was hysterical! And, of course, the Doctor flew it. Of course.

- Which led me to my favorite part: I loved how Lake said that the Doctor's done this so many times, but had never been thanked and not this time. And then they all starting cheering and the Doctor realized it and rung the bell. It was wonderful (and so not cheesy and kinda, sorta lame as everyone saying his name in 'The Last of the Time Lords"). It was a beautiful moment.

ETA: Some have commented that the Doctor has been thanked before, but I think here it was meant in the face of a whole group of people saved by the Doctor's actions, as opposed to one or two. When the Doctor saves a massive group of people, most don't know in that massive group. This time, Lake was making sure the whole group knew AND was thanking the Doctor then and there.

All in all, not my favorite Christmas special, but DEFINITELY better than the last one, and pretty dang fabulous all around. YAY!!!!
 
 
 
blackcat_1 on December 26th, 2008 02:18 pm (UTC)
Speaking of Rosita, I knew there was a reason that Rusty picked that name and I honestly think it was simply to give that small Doctor/Rose moment when he said the name (accenting the "Ros" in "Rosita") was nice.

I know; I squeed! RTD just can't resist it, can he? And how we love him for it!


If anyone's heart was broken by that departure, it was no one's fault but your own, buddy-boy!!!

Yeah; whilst I must confess to a tear or two at that line, it was tinged with a little annoyance and exasperation. Don't blame Rose or Donna, Doctor - you made them break you heart!


Oh, Eccleston, how I love you so!

YAY!

It was wonderful (and so not cheesy and kinda, sorta lame as everyone saying his name in 'The Last of the Time Lords").

Yes, but as someone pointed out elsewhere; has really,/i> never been thanked before? Cos I think he probably has...
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on December 26th, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC)
I read that comment, but I think it was meant in the face of a whole group of people saved by the Doctor's actions, as opposed to one or two. When the Doctor saves a massive group of people, most don't know in that massive group. This time, Lake was making sure the whole group knew AND was thanking the Doctor then and there.
faith5by5_1013: Doctor Who: Ten/Rose: Squeefaith5by5_1013 on December 26th, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC)
I like your theory about River. I'm sad about the River/Morrissey Doctor theory being ruined though.

On the other hand ... yeah, some leave, some forget you, and some break your heart ... but you forgot that some are dropped off in an alternate universe by you yourself without their say-so for their own good -- in YOUR opinion. (I'm all fine and cool with JE, but come on, Doc, don't re-write what happened, dude.) If anyone's heart was broken by that departure, it was no one's fault but your own, buddy-boy!!!

That's exactly the thought I had when I was watching that part!

Loved seeing all of the Doctors, especially my first: Nine. Oh, Eccleston, how I love you so!

Even though I expected to see Nine after they started showing the previous Doctors, I still squeeed when they showed him. He's my favorite Doctor and my first.

Heh, tapping the screwdriver on the door -- "See, it makes a noise. Sonic." And the Doctor's expression. LOL!

I laughed so hard at that part.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Christmas Invasionarabian on December 26th, 2008 02:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm sad that River/MDoc is gone. Sigh. But, yeah, I simply can NOT accept that the Doctor we know and have known would actually be with River. Especially after all that has happened.

I knew that we were going to see Nine, but yeah, I squeed too!! LOL! I love Ten and Tennant, but yeah, Nine and Eccleston are my faves. I actually stopped watching Who for two years after "The Parting of the Ways," I was so heartbroken about Eccleston's departure.

The "sonic" screwdriver part CRACKED me up so much. Ooh, ooh and the "whistling." I must edit that into my first post.
faith5by5_1013: Doctor Who: Nine/Rosefaith5by5_1013 on December 26th, 2008 02:51 pm (UTC)
I can't accept it either.

I was pretty heartbroken too. The only reason I kept watching after The Parting of the Ways is my friend who recommended the show said that I had to at least try watching seasons 2-4. I barely forced myself to keep watching and I really didn't like Ten for most of season 2 just because I was so upset.

The whistling part made me crack up too.
Arabian: Christopher Eccleston_02arabian on December 26th, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure that I could have continued watching series two had I not had the two year break. I just don't think I could have accepted anyone after Eccleston without that distance.
faith5by5_1013: Doctor Who: Nine/Rosefaith5by5_1013 on December 26th, 2008 03:30 pm (UTC)
Understandable. I didn't accept Ten until The Satan Pit. When he said "I believe in her," I was crying really hard. And that kind of made me accept him.
logicisfailing: Out of this worldlogicisfailing on December 26th, 2008 02:54 pm (UTC)
Wow, I think I agree with pretty much all you said.

Morrissey rocked! I was soo happy when Jackson got his son back. It made me really wish the Doctor had a son (Rose/10.5's son breaks through the Void to travel with the Doctor - c'mon RTD! You know you want to :-)

"On the other hand ... yeah, some leave, some forget you, and some break your heart ... but you forgot that some are dropped off in an alternate universe by you yourself without their say-so for their own good -- in YOUR opinion. "
Ha ha, totally! I was tearing up a little but annoyed with him as well about that.

"Okay, call me dumb, but I don't get how/why Miss Hartigan blew up along with the Cybermen at the end there? Huh? Still, more on her character, I did think it was kinda cool that she was stronger than the Cybermen control, and how the Doctor acknowledged that."
Yeah, I thought it was cool that she was stronger than the Cybermen control - kind of put a different twist on the normal Cybermen episodes (which frankl, I was getting a little tired of). Lol, I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't get Mis Hartigan's demise. What exactly happened there? Did she destroy herself??
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on December 26th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I just don't get how she went ka-blooey! That made no sense to me. :( Still, overall, quite good.
Diana: New Day -- the Doctorbutterfly on December 26th, 2008 02:59 pm (UTC)
Alas, the whole River/Morrissey's Doctor theory has been shot to hell.

Also, I now like Jackson far too much to hook him up with River. I'd much rather he get together with Rosita (who can continue to school him about how awesome women are).

It was a very enjoyable episode, overall. Not my favorite, but quite fun.
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on December 26th, 2008 03:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, River doesn't deserve Jackson Lake. I concur.

It was a very enjoyable episode, overall. Not my favorite, but quite fun.

Pretty much my thought.
js_1245: While The Wavesjs_1245 on December 26th, 2008 04:22 pm (UTC)
- On the other hand ... yeah, some leave, some forget you, and some break your heart ... but you forgot that some are dropped off in an alternate universe by you yourself without their say-so for their own good -- in YOUR opinion. If anyone's heart was broken by that departure, it was no one's fault but your own, buddy-boy!!!

Oh, yes! I was thinking the same thing! *shakes head*

Alas, the whole River/Morrissey's Doctor theory has been shot to hell.

Too bad. In all honesty, I'm uncomfortable with the thought of River Song being with any Doctor that is after Rose. It just doesn't seem right. I quite like your "different timeline" theory. *sigh*

Speaking of Rosita, I knew there was a reason that Rusty picked that name and I honestly think it was simply to give that small Doctor/Rose moment when he said the name (accenting the "Ros" in "Rosita") was nice.

*squee* We still get bits of our Doctor/Rose here and there, then! I wonder how long that will last...

Opal: TND: Ten and MDocshinyopals on December 26th, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
I loved the Doctor being thanked. It's not the first time anyone's ever said "thank you", of course, but it was just a lovely thing for him, because he needs that. Too often he dwells on those that die and not on those he saves!

What you said at the end: will never be a fave, but I do rather like it! :D
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WeHo M.: DW - Does not bode wellafrocurl on December 26th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
You know I have no love for a certain companion, and to that end, I took the "they break my heart" as a nod more to Donna than Rose. But that could be me. *shrug*

However, I enjoyed this one, and I'm almost as excited to see what we get with a sort of lonely Doctor without a proper companion in a few of the specials.

Edited at 2008-12-26 06:50 pm (UTC)
Frances: DW - Ten - Doctor is in!goldy_dollar on December 26th, 2008 09:20 pm (UTC)
On the other hand ... yeah, some leave, some forget you, and some break your heart ... but you forgot that some are dropped off in an alternate universe by you yourself without their say-so for their own good -- in YOUR opinion.

Yeah, he's really wallowing in a self-pity that he's partially responsible for. *THWAPS* *but also HUGS*

Okay, call me dumb, but I don't get how/why Miss Hartigan blew up along with the Cybermen at the end there? Huh?

I didn't really understand MOST of what happened in the episode, to be honest. Why WAS she beyond their control? And why was she so interested in using them to take over? Then again, I've learned that it's safest to just not ask questions when it comes to DW.
madeelly: jennymadeelly on December 30th, 2008 12:05 pm (UTC)
Everyone's excited about seeing Nine, but I was just glad that Eight was finally made canon. <3 And I was glad to see One, my favorite, of course. =]

I definitely agree with everything said here, especially the last part. Not my favorite, but pretty awesome.
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on December 30th, 2008 12:19 pm (UTC)
See, I didn't know that Eight wasn't considered canon. I always figured he was by the simply fact that Nine was referred to as "The Ninth Doctor" in the credits of the first new Who episode back, thus being the BBC's way of saying, yeah, Eccleston's the Ninth, and the numbers wouldn't add up if McCann wasn't including canonically as the Eighth Doctor.

Not my favorite, but pretty awesome.

I'm glad you watched and liked it. And I'll just take credit that it was not response to your original post that got you to finally just sit down and watch it. Yup. So yay me! LOL!
madeellymadeelly on December 30th, 2008 12:23 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure RTD has always considered Eight canon, which is why Nine is referred to as The Ninth Doctor and Eight shows up in the Journal of Impossible Things. But there have been...skeptics (aka fanboys dissatisfied with almost anything since Classic Who was canceled). I figure that now Eight has been seen on screen that he counts in all eyes.

Haha, yay! =]

Edited at 2008-12-30 12:24 pm (UTC)
trustme1013: Awesotrustme1013 on April 9th, 2011 03:55 pm (UTC)
I watched TND so long ago that I don't remember much of it, thought whistling was funny, and I always appreciate when the Doctor recalls past companions.

I do recall Miss Hartigan being properly evil in the promos and not being disappointed with her performance as time went on.

Someday, I'll do a rewatch of S4 and the specials and it won't hurt so much. That day is coming. :)