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23 November 2008 @ 01:42 pm
Happily Ever After ... Rusty-style  
I've been meaning to write a post up about why I believe that Ten is happy now despite the devastating end to his arc in "Journey's End." I finally got around to doing so. (Note: I didn't touch on the events with Donna because I think that it simply boils down to the fact that while the Doctor misses her terribly, he's very happy that she's alive with that potential in her to be amazing still.)

I was quite happy with the conclusion of the Doctor/Rose arc in Journey's End as I wrote about right after it aired:
I love Russell T. Davies, I really do. And I AM thrilled that he found a way in the Doctor Who universe without breaking any unwritten rules of giving The Doctor and Rose a happy ending. I really, really, REALLY love that and so I really, really, REALLY love him. It wasn't perfect, but it was the closest thing that one could get for the Doctor and a companion on this show.
And almost five months later, I not only still feel that way, but I actually feel even more strongly about it.

I am genuinely confused by the ire and/or disappointment that some still feel towards RTD and how he brought the Doctor/Rose love story to its end. Based on the logistics of what he had to work with -- the Who universe itself, Billie Piper done -- I thought he did everything he could. He gave the Doctor/Rose shippers the ONLY possible outcome for a happy ending with Piper leaving the show by giving the Doctor and Rose the only possible non-death, happy outcome that he could possibly give them within the confines of the structure of the show and the logistics of the actors not staying beyond this series. Because a Rose who didn't die would NEVER have willingly left the Doctor ... unless, she had the Doctor (albeit, with a few changes, incidentally ones that will allow him to be with her fully in every way). THAT is what RTD gave us even within the logistics of actors' schedules and the structure of a long-running television show.

I know that much of that disappointment that is felt comes from the fact that while Rose and TenII have that happily-ever-after, what about Ten, traveling alone with no Rose, no Donna? Well, while I don't see him as happy as Rose and TenII, I still do see a much, much happier Doctor than we did in series three and four. I see this because I do believe that the Doctor loved Rose Tyler unconditionally and absolutely and of paramount importance to him was her happiness. He knew -- no matter how he tried to convince himself otherwise -- that without him, Rose would never be happy in the alternate universe. He knew that. And so whenever he thought of her, he knew that she was as miserable as he was, which then likely made him more miserable. Now, though, he can't not believe that she isn't happy. Despite how selfish he can be, he can also be incredibly selfless and he did mean that knowing that Rose is truly happy, he can now be content himself because he gave her an undreamed of happy ending with him. (And, yes, he would believe it fully because he's rather an arrogant one and I don't think he could possibly conceive of Rose NOT being happy with someone who looks like him, talks like him, basically is him.)

In my opinion, this goes back to threads that Davies laid out throughout the series, going back to series one episode, "Father's Day," the Doctor said to the about-to-be-married pair:
I've traveled to all sorts of places. Done things you couldn't even imagine, but... you two... street corner. Two in the morning. Getting a taxi home. I've never had a life like that.
And then to Rose in "Doomsday" ...
Living a life day after day. The one adventure I can never have.
And this is clearly an adventure he does want -- at least with Rose, it's possible he's felt the pull before, but I do believe that the tangible wanting of it never hit him until he fell in love with Rose -- and yet, as a Time Lord, it's one that he can never have.
The Doctor: I don't age. I regenerate. But humans decay. You wither and you die. Imagine watching that happen to someone who you --
Rose: What, Doctor?
The Doctor: You can spend the rest of your life with me. But I can't spend the rest of mine with you. I have to live on. Alone. That's the curse of the Time Lords.
He said it right there without actually saying it: He wants to spend the rest of his life with her, but he can't. But now, in a way, he can ...
The Doctor: I look like him and I think like him ... same memories, same thoughts, same everything. Except, I've only got one heart.
Rose: Which means?
Doctor: I'm part human. Specifically the aging part. I'll grow old and never regenerate. I've only got one life... Rose Tyler. I could spend it with you. If you want.
Rose: You'll grow -- grow old at the same time as me?
The Doctor: Together.
You know, I tried to continue this sentence pointing out that technically it was a different man, or technically it's TenII saying this and not the Doctor who said those things to her in "School Reunion," but neither sentence works because that's the beauty of it all. It *isn't* a different man, and it IS the same Doctor from "School Reunion." There are just two of the same man, one with the added bonus of being able to have that adventure, have that life. And that is why I do believe Ten (and not just TenII and Rose) will be happy.

True, Ten doesn't have Rose and that adventure, but that's the key to why I believe that he'll have a sense of happiness now that wasn't possible without Rose (or even with a Rose who would wither and decay before his eyes): The Doctor NEVER thought he'd truly be able to have Rose and that adventure, but now, through the miracle of the metacrisis at the perfect time, a part of him DOES have that, and even more importantly, ROSE has him and a full, complete life with him. If he truly loves her unconditionally (as I believe he does), how can he NOT be happy about that after the initial, understandable, self-pitying grief has worn off?

How I see it is that it wasn't about the Doctor continuing his cycle of guilt-stricken grief. He wasn't thinking that he didn't deserve Rose and happiness because of all of the blood on his hands. No, he didn't give her up to be miserable, he didn't just say 'oh well, life sucks and so do I for all I've caused, you go and live happily ever after with my copy now so I can wallow in self-pity.' Ten looked at the situation and saw that here was another him, with the ability to live a full, complete life with the woman they both desperately love (because they *are* the same man), without having to hold back for any reason (legitimate or not). Rose could be happy *truly happy* and thus he would be happy *truly happy* that she could have that. They could have that. So now, Ten can carry on with what he feels is his Time Lord responsibility with a clear heart knowing that he gave the love of his life the greatest gift that he could possibly have ever imagined giving her ... one that he never thought *was* possible.

Or as Russell T Davies said it himself, speaking for Ten, in the Journey's End commentary (thanks to butterfly for the transcript):
You're giving her the biggest present in the world. Because even if you did pop across from a different parallel universe, you're still nine hundred years old. So, it's never, ever, ever going to work. And you know that she would devote herself to you and leave her family and stay on the TARDIS and die of old age in front of you, so you did exactly the right thing here.
Now that he has that, there will be a contentedness, a quiet joy when he thinks of her with the perfect him (in his mind) for her. Yes, it will be paired with the inevitable sadness that that life is not his. However, he loves her so much that her happiness -- something he knew she did NOT have without any him there with her -- is paramount to his happiness. So now he'll always have that knowledge; he'll always know that there was a him who was able to love his Rose as fully and completely as possible.

And both "The Music of the Spheres" --


-- and the preview of "The Next Doctor" --


-- are proof of that, I think.

We have two instances of the Doctor clearly post-Journey's End (yes, I know that he's wearing the blue suit in the former, but I don't think that means it's TenII, just that the Doctor has multiple versions of the same outfit). And in both of these, he looks and acts happy. There is a serene contentment about him, and it matches perfectly with my own vision of how things fell into place in the best way they possibly could. Is he as happy as he was with Rose? No, but he found some happiness with Donna, and a joy in exploring the universe again a bit ... and he did that while mourning Rose and thinking neither one of them would ever have that true happiness. Now, he knows that she and a version of him will, so he can now experience a level of joy that wasn't possible before.

The way I see it, Russell T Davies gave the Doctor/Rose shippers an absolutely amazing gift. He came up with a beautifully romantic and wonderfully crack-tastic way of making our OTP canon and giving them a happy ending in a way that did not destroy the premise of the show (and allowed for the actors' schedules). Yes, the execution could have been better, but it was still pretty damn good and with time and money constraints? I'm thrilled with what we got. The Doctor and Rose actually got a happily-ever-after. And so did Ten because he knows that a part of himself now will experience that one adventure that he thought he could never have ... and wonder of wonders, he (sort of) is experiencing it with the love of his life.

How is that *NOT* the most awesome thing ever?
 
 
 
bubbles234bubbles234 on November 23rd, 2008 09:01 pm (UTC)
IAWTC

It's a shame we seem to be the minority, really. *Glomps RTD*
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I just don't get why more D/R fans aren't thrilled about what we got. I mean, Rusty gave us frickin' canon-happily-ever-after with the Doctor and a companion. ::LOVES::
Diana: New Day -- the Doctorbutterfly on November 23rd, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
Yes. This. He really and truly loves her. Her happiness means more to him than his own (and his arrogance assures that he will believe she's completely happy -- she wanted him and now she has him. How could she be otherwise?)

And what we've seen so far on screen has shown that. He acted to make the woman that he adores happy and fulfilled in every possible way (because there were things, as a pure Time Lord, that he felt like he couldn't give her, couldn't promise her, and even though she would have stayed with him and been content without those things... he wants to give her everything) and it has brought him peace.

Edited at 2008-11-23 09:22 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - One Heartarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)
Her happiness means more to him than his own (and his arrogance assures that he will believe she's completely happy -- she wanted him and now she has him. How could she be otherwise?)

Yes, yes, yes. He was so miserable because he knew that she had to be miserable, now that is gone, so now he can find a measure of true peace and happiness. And, totally, with the arrogance. You know that Ten totally thinks he's the shit.
Jenny: T/R: prettiest kiss in the worldfiery_twilight on November 23rd, 2008 09:24 pm (UTC)
YES. ALL OF THIS. JUST....YES.

When I first saw Journey's End, I really didn't like how things turned out for everyone. I was so, so, SO upset about Donna's ending, and I was angry with the Doctor and Rose's ending because the Doctor ended up alone...again. But as time went by, I came to terms with the ending and realized that this truly was the only way for things to end without someone dying. And I love RTD so much for his cracky brain that came up with two Tens! So, in the end, things really did turn out for the best and I feel much better about the ending we got. :)

Now, if only we could get a TenII/Rose special in the future! :D
Arabian: I ♥ RTDarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:12 pm (UTC)
I know I'm in the minority for being content with both the D/R conclusion AND Donna's tale, but both just made so much sense, character and logistics-wise.

And I love RTD so much for his cracky brain that came up with two Tens!

I know! ::Squishes Rusty::

Now, if only we could get a TenII/Rose special in the future! :D

From your keyboard to Rusty's brain to Rusty's keyboard to our screens.
helygenhelygen on November 23rd, 2008 10:34 pm (UTC)
Oh thank you so much for writing and sharing this!

My heart and mind have been edging towards this conclusion but I've always become stuck at the thought of Ten wallowing in grief, alone in the TARDIS. This post of yours has reminded me of his selflessness and his absolute unconditional love for Rose, and I feel much better about it.

I'm still a wee bit unsettled by how very jolly he seems to be in 'The Next Doctor' but I shall bear your thoughts in mind when I view it :)
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Christmas Invasionarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:14 pm (UTC)
My heart and mind have been edging towards this conclusion but I've always become stuck at the thought of Ten wallowing in grief, alone in the TARDIS. This post of yours has reminded me of his selflessness and his absolute unconditional love for Rose, and I feel much better about it.

Oh, I'm glad that I could help with that. I know how frustrating it can be when you want to love and accept something in your fandom fully, but there are pieces don't fit. I'm glad I could help make some of those pieces fit.

I'm still a wee bit unsettled by how very jolly he seems to be in 'The Next Doctor' but I shall bear your thoughts in mind when I view it :)

Thank you, but also, I recall that David (I think) mentioned somewhere that TND takes place quite a few years past the events of JE, so there's the passage of time as well to take into account.
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Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:17 pm (UTC)
Bravo! *applauds you*

Aww, I'm blushing.

it's wonderful to read there's others who share the same opinion as me

It's wonderful knowing that others feel the same as me too! :D

Ten2/Rose as it was left is the closest thing we're ever going to get to their, Ten/Rose's happily ever after

Yes, and that is why I simply can NOT fathom the upset and betrayal that I've read here and there. It just makes no sense.

Well, I don't have a problem with what happened with Donna either (I know, what's wrong with me? LOL) but that's all detailed in a different post. BUT, I get why people are upset by that, but not the Doctor/Rose stuff. That I just don't get.
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catsfiction: the best of timescatsfiction on November 23rd, 2008 10:42 pm (UTC)
That's a nicely argued post. I think the resolution with Rose would have come over so much better if Donna had been able to stick around. They'd have talked it over and she'd have helped him come to terms with it all, mainly by being exactly the non-sexual but loving partner he needed right then.

I love Rose, but I think there's a tenable argument that she didn't do original Ten any favours by coming back. He seemed genuinely happier and more at ease with Donna. She was so incredibly good for him and he was a much nicer person with her around.

Arabian: Dr Who (10) - One Heartarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:22 pm (UTC)
I think the resolution with Rose would have come over so much better if Donna had been able to stick around. They'd have talked it over and she'd have helped him come to terms with it all, mainly by being exactly the non-sexual but loving partner he needed right then.

Oh, I agree and I wish that it had been made clear between RTD and CT that she'd be willing to stay on through the specials at least, but alas, it wasn't. He thought she was done and so he had to work with the logistics of the actors' schedules. And sometimes, as much as I'd want something different, I can accept what I see on screen even if it's based on logistics when it makes sense and has been carried out well. And that's how I felt about Donna's arc.

I love Rose, but I think there's a tenable argument that she didn't do original Ten any favours by coming back.

Oh, I disagree with that completely. Sorry. She couldn't have possibly thought that he wouldn't want her back in his life and certainly never could have imagined that upon returning that he'd dump her back in the alternate universe. It's not her fault in any way, shape or form. And even taking that idea out of it, I still don't agree that she didn't do him any favors by coming back even with what did happen. Because while, yes, he was getting happier with Donna, he would still always be mourning that the love of his life was unhappy in an alternate universe and there was nothing he could do -- with all of time and space at his fingertips -- to help her. Her coming back, the events as they took place, him "dumping" her in the alternate universe with the half-human him allowed him not only (a) the knowledge that she would be happy now, but (b) that he had given her that precious, precious gift of happiness.
But you can call me Bowie: dr who 10 le petit princeisiscaughey on November 23rd, 2008 10:43 pm (UTC)
I was shocked at the huge amount of negative reaction JE got, too. I thought that though sad for the Doctor, the ending had a far more hopeful feel to it. He was reminded of how many people there are in the world who love him and will back him up, even if they aren't traveling with him, and just as you said, he has the satisfaction of knowing that a part of him is with Rose having that one adventure he couldn't have.

And as you pointed out, what so many people seem to neglect is the fact that RTD couldn't have given Rose & Ten a fairy tale happy ever after and stayed true to Doctor Who, reality, and the knowledge that the should would go on. I was pleased and rather amazed at the ending he did manage to get in.

Sure, it had its problems, but nobody is perfect. And I was so terrified he was going to kill Rose...
Arabian: Dr Who - Chris/Rusty/Billiearabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
I was shocked at the huge amount of negative reaction JE got, too.

Me too. I thought it was absolutely amazing what Rusty did for us.

I thought that though sad for the Doctor, the ending had a far more hopeful feel to it. He was reminded of how many people there are in the world who love him and will back him up, even if they aren't traveling with him, and just as you said, he has the satisfaction of knowing that a part of him is with Rose having that one adventure he couldn't have.

YES!!!! And not just satisfaction, but the *happiness* of it.

And as you pointed out, what so many people seem to neglect is the fact that RTD couldn't have given Rose & Ten a fairy tale happy ever after and stayed true to Doctor Who, reality, and the knowledge that the should would go on. I was pleased and rather amazed at the ending he did manage to get in.

Again, so much word. Yes. This.

Sure, it had its problems, but nobody is perfect. And I was so terrified he was going to kill Rose...

I had a brief thought or two about that, but I kept reminding myself that Rusty said he would never kill Rose (and then telling the voice in my head that kept reminding me that Rusty LIES to shut up!!)
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Rose Ten2 Meant to Beamberfocus on November 23rd, 2008 10:45 pm (UTC)
I was one who was not immediately happy with Journey's End, but as I wrote through it in fanfiction I came to accept it and actually got happier with that ending as I realized more and more exactly what you've said above here. Exploring all the nuances was what convinced me that it was the only way and sad as I am for Ten I am happy now for Rose and the Doctor she got to keep. It was a gift, a pretty remarkable one at that.

I also think a good deal of time may have passed for the Doctor. I'd like to think maybe 80 to 100 years or so, so that he's been out there living life and having some fun and getting on with things. I think it would be a very good idea if they did age him because it would be easier for those who did not accept Journey's End even with time, to think he was happy because enough time had passed for him to heal. Plus, I'd hate to think he'll have another regneration after only a few years have passed. But that's just me.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Saidarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm glad to know that it worked that way for you. For me, I tend to analyze stuff to death BEFORE it airs based on spoilers and stuff. And while I actually did a fabulous (for me) job keeping away from Who spoilers, I did get an inkling here and there that there *might* be a second/human Doctor for Rose. So, I was already mosying through the idea of it in my mind, working my way through the potential awesome of it and when he actually WENT THERE! I was blown away at the sheer joy of the fact that he actually gave us canon-happily-ever-after-Doctor/Rose!!!

I also think a good deal of time may have passed for the Doctor.

I think that David said that we are supposed to know that time has passed. And I'd love for that to be the case. For the idea that he's had time to work through his grief and moved into the joyous acceptance of the marvelous gift he gave the woman he loved, and also this ...

I'd hate to think he'll have another regneration after only a few years have passed. But that's just me.

Nope, not just you.
fishface44fishface44 on November 23rd, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
Well said!!! :)
Arabian: World of Squee!arabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you. :)

Hee, I love your icon!
glorious_clio: doctorglorious_clio on November 23rd, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, and three times, yes! Thank you for articulating everything I had in my head.
Arabian: I ♥ RTDarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
You're welcome; I'm glad that I've put into words what some people were feeling about this whole thing. I just see resentment still here and there and it's just mind-boggling. It was AWESOME what Rusty did. Just awesome!!!!
demented & sad, but social: hopepapilio_luna on November 23rd, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)
I completely concur.

I must admit that upon first watching JE my reaction to the BWB scene was "ZOMG KISSING!!!!" and I think I actually said, out loud, "YES!" and punched the air. I've since been made by general fandom to feel quite guilty about that reaction, but I can't help it. Every other scenario that I try out in my head for how it could all play out, starting out from Rose finding the Doctor again, ends in incredible sadness and it ends in the Doctor grieving and alone. It gets even worse if you add Ten II in to the mix (Rose/Ten/Ten II may be my fic OT3, but it's the saddest most angsty OT3 that ever was). There is no way to make the Doctor/Rose love story in to a happily ever after for everyone, and the creation of Ten II at least gives that end to 2/3 of them. And I am also with you on the Doctor at least being able to content himself with the knowledge that the love of his life is happy and safe. (edited to add, it just struck me, as John Smith in his dream of his normal life on his deathbed what is he most concerned with? That everyone is safe. It means so much to him, even being fobwatched couldn't make that not be the Doctor's primary concern)

I've been particularly bothered at various times at the venom tossed Rose's way over the choice that she made. Among general fandom there sure were way more uses of the term "slut" than I'm at all comfortable with. I do fault RTD for one thing in this story, and that is trying to cram in too many ancillary characters at the expensive of giving us a few more minutes with the Doctors and Rose to explore their motivations and give us a little insight in to their choices and decisions. That I think would have cleared a lot up. Especially because there are still people out there who are really misunderstanding who and what TenII is and do see him as "second best" and "not really the Doctor" even though for my money it was made absolutely clear on screen that Ten and TenII are the same man.

Anyway, I love TenII absolutely to bits and I love writing about his new adventure. And I don't buy that he wouldn't be happy with no TARDIS (I have some Fairly Strong Opinions about that deleted scene so I'm sticking with no coral and no TARDIS). I think the Doctor is the sort who will remain absolutely enchanted and amazed by all the tiny little everyday things. He doesn't need to see the rest of the universe anymore (he's had, after all, 900 years to do that already) because he's got a whole new dimension of reality to explore, one that is totally uncharted and new and amazing.

Edited at 2008-11-23 11:15 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - One Heartarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:40 pm (UTC)
I completely concur.

Cool.

I must admit that upon first watching JE my reaction to the BWB scene was "ZOMG KISSING!!!!" and I think I actually said, out loud, "YES!" and punched the air.

ME TOO! I was so frickin' happy! OMG!!!! Rose and the Doctor are K-I-S-S-I-N-G!!!!!!! Truly and well kissing. AHHHHH!!!

I've since been made by general fandom to feel quite guilty about that reaction, but I can't help it.

Don't feel guilty, glory in the joy!

Every other scenario that I try out in my head for how it could all play out, starting out from Rose finding the Doctor again, ends in incredible sadness and it ends in the Doctor grieving and alone. It gets even worse if you add Ten II in to the mix (Rose/Ten/Ten II may be my fic OT3, but it's the saddest most angsty OT3 that ever was). There is no way to make the Doctor/Rose love story in to a happily ever after for everyone, and the creation of Ten II at least gives that end to 2/3 of them. And I am also with you on the Doctor at least being able to content himself with the knowledge that the love of his life is happy and safe.

Yup. This was the ONLY way for there to be ANY happiness, and this way gave us a happily-ever-after for Rose and the Doctor, and the knowledge of that happily-ever-after for Ten because, as I said above, this was something that he NEVER could so would not imagine for himself. And now a part of him actually got it!!!!!

I've been particularly bothered at various times at the venom tossed Rose's way over the choice that she made. Among general fandom there sure were way more uses of the term "slut" than I'm at all comfortable with.

And that would be why I avoid general Who communities for the most part. I like staying in my insular Doctor/Rose-online-world. ::Pets my fandom::

I do fault RTD for one thing in this story, and that is trying to cram in too many ancillary characters at the expensive of giving us a few more minutes with the Doctors and Rose to explore their motivations and give us a little insight in to their choices and decisions.

Hah! I find this so funny because when writing this post, I was re-reading my original JE-post (in which, I wasn't thinking on Ten being happy ... that came after MotS) and I wrote this:
I know there was a lot to fit in this and some characters got short shrift (hello, Gwen and Ianto ... but, you have your show), but couldn't we have lost a few moments here and there
So, yeah, I totally agree.

That I think would have cleared a lot up. Especially because there are still people out there who are really misunderstanding who and what TenII is and do see him as "second best" and "not really the Doctor" even though for my money it was made absolutely clear on screen that Ten and TenII are the same man.

YUP!! I really wish we had had some Rose/TenII interaction (beyond the few seconds) BEFORE Bad Wolf Bay. That would have helped A LOT too.

Anyway, I love TenII absolutely to bits and I love writing about his new adventure. And I don't buy that he wouldn't be happy with no TARDIS (I have some Fairly Strong Opinions about that deleted scene so I'm sticking with no coral and no TARDIS). I think the Doctor is the sort who will remain absolutely enchanted and amazed by all the tiny little everyday things. He doesn't need to see the rest of the universe anymore (he's had, after all, 900 years to do that already) because he's got a whole new dimension of reality to explore, one that is totally uncharted and new and amazing.

Yup. Although, I'm okay and liked the deleted scene (other than the fact that the coral looked like a frickin' drumstick), but still, I too don't see why the Doctor wouldn't be okay too. He's a big boy with a BIG mind, he can find ways and things to excite and intrigue him.

Edited at 2008-11-23 11:56 pm (UTC)
Tina: Love Storythatlibrarylady on November 23rd, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC)
You've put this well. I wish that more people would see it this way. I'm so sick of suicidally unhappy Doctor. Yes, it would be nice if he could have Rose forever, but this wasn't realistically possible. This was the best ending their story could have. I think the Doctor can finally move on (not that he'll ever forget her).
Arabian: I ♥ RTDarabian on November 23rd, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
Right, he'll never forget her, but now instead of thinking on her with pain and regret and the sure knowledge that she never had true happiness again, he can think of her with the knowledge that she lived a full, happy life with, well, with him.

Indeed, "the best ending their story could have." Thank you, Mr. Davies.
turning pages over run away to nowheredebs7 on November 24th, 2008 12:15 am (UTC)
That just perfect and makes so much sense. Don't get me wrong - I adore Rose and TenII and I have from the start but I still felt initially somewhat jaded with Ten. I felt like he was doing everything he possibly could be be alone but now I can see that he did the only thing he really could have done.

Well done :)
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on November 24th, 2008 12:17 am (UTC)
Right, he was doing the only thing he could do and it was the best for all three of them. I'm glad I could help in making sense of it. Yay!
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Nicole: rose/ten canonnicole9514 on November 24th, 2008 12:26 am (UTC)
you summed up exactly how i feel :)

I was so grateful and happy with the ending we got, i couldn't believe all the negativity that went around, although i think it's gotten a bit better now :)

I am so with everyone who wants the rose/ten2 special :)

thanks for sharing :)
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on November 24th, 2008 02:21 am (UTC)
I do think it's gotten better now, but yeah, the negativity when it first hit just really surprised me.

Oh, and your icon? Exactly why I was so thrilled with JE. So freaking canon, indeed!
Marina: radiojavabreeze on November 24th, 2008 12:58 am (UTC)
Wow. I am floored by this post. It's utterly amazing and you've nailed everything I feel about Rose and Ten2 and the Doctor being able to be happy and move on because of it. *mems*
Arabian: TVarabian on November 24th, 2008 02:23 am (UTC)
Aww, thank you so much!!! I'm so glad that I accomplished what I wanted to with this post. Yay!!!