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15 November 2008 @ 02:25 pm
I could ship Morrisey's Doctor and River Song!  
Seriously.

shinyopals asked for an icon featuring River Song and Morrisey's Doctor from the upcoming Christmas special. ( ---> That's it, right there.)

Based on a few factors from the clip -- check it out!



I find it highly unlikely that Morrisey's Doctor is actually THE Doctor. He's a bit too much of a caricature, a bit too arrogant, his sonic screwdriver doesn't really seem all that sonic and most telling of all: Neither he nor Ten recognize themselves as The Doctor. So yeah, pretty likely not the Doctor. However, some people have come up with a deliciously, totally Rusty in all of it's cracktastic glory, theory that while this isn't the Doctor, it *is* a time traveler and is actually the Doctor that River Song knows. (I know, I know, logic pretty much says no because her dialogue implied that she knew the Doctor as our Ten, but hey, I said it was crack and au-crack at that!)

ETA: Hah, larissa_j actually had a way around that dialogue!
It's possible that Morrisey's Doctor used Tennant's Doctor as 'his' Tenth regeneration thus leading River to believe that she did 'meet' him or does know him. Since Tennant is leaving, River will never really meet him again, so this would fit with canon.

I'm in no way saying this is going to happen, just offering possible explanations :D I would love RTD to death if he did make this happen. It would also get Moffat out of the mess he's currently in with the River Song arc and David leaving.
The thing is that it makes SO MUCH SENSE. Morrisey's Doctor (from now on MDoc -- thanks, butterfly) in this little clip acts exactly how River Song describes the Doctor she knows. Ten snapping his fingers at the TARDIS? So not *our* Doctor. But MDoc snapping his fingers at the TARDIS? Totally, River's Doctor. And how many times have we read/heard about Moffat deliberately doing things he knew would (a) piss Rusty off and/or (b) mess with Rusty's timeline? Enough that it would crack me up if Rusty -- who has complete control over these specials -- did the same fun, little joke on Moffat. And honestly? Would this totally not be the kind of crack that Rusty would love? You know it is.

Being serious for a moment, if this crack theory actually had any basis in reality, I have to say that while I wouldn't wildly, obsessively ship River/MDoc as I do Nine/Ten and Rose, I could so see myself adoring and getting a huge kick out of them -- they'd be amusingly arrogant together. Yes, I know I found River abrasively arrogant when Moffat wrote her, but man, I bet that with Alex Kingston's undeniable charm and talent, Rusty would write her as amusingly arrogant as he did MDoc in this brief bit. Together and under Rusty's pen and vision, they'd be a hoot.

So, I've decided that even if it's a lonely fandom of two three (hi, shinyopals, and butterfly!), I can happily enjoy River/MDoc. And I don't feel like it interferes with my Doctor/Rose obsession either because Rose? Would be all like, Yeah, who the hell are you and where is the *real* Doctor? to this dude, but based on how River talked and acted about him, this one's right up her alley.
 
 
 
Opal: TND: M!Doc/River OTPshinyopals on November 15th, 2008 07:49 pm (UTC)
ship_manifesto here we come! XD

RTD should write a spin off now he's done with DW! :D
Arabian: River + Morrisey's Doctorarabian on November 15th, 2008 07:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, God, seriously? I would TOTALLY watch it. It would be HYSTERICAL!! And I know that Alex Kingston could totally bring the angst that would inevitably have to rear its head as well. (And I don't know about Morrisey -- I know, I know, how can I not? I will watch Blackpool someday, I swear!)

Admittedly, a small part of me would also love it simply for the fact that I would have an interal "Hah! Take that!" to a certain other writer every time I watched it, LOL!
(no subject) - shinyopals on November 15th, 2008 07:58 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on November 15th, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - shinyopals on November 15th, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - larissa_j on November 16th, 2008 12:13 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - shinyopals on November 16th, 2008 12:18 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - larissa_j on November 16th, 2008 12:35 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - shinyopals on November 16th, 2008 12:42 am (UTC) (Expand)
Diana: Laughter -- Jack/Rosebutterfly on November 15th, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
Hee. Fandom of three, totally. MDoc and River would be perfect together and if RTD were writing them, they would be hilarious.

ETA: Phonecall later today?

Edited at 2008-11-15 07:51 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on November 15th, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
LOL! Woohoo!! THREE WHOLE MEMBERS!! We're growing! :D

Yup, do you have a time in mind?
(no subject) - butterfly on November 15th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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(no subject) - butterfly on November 15th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on November 15th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Opal: JE: make hugs not shipwarsshinyopals on November 15th, 2008 08:00 pm (UTC)
Clearly we need to start writing fic! XD

And yesterday pluckyyounggirl implied she was rather enthusiastic, so we might even be FOUR in number!
(no subject) - arabian on November 15th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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the_lucky_stars on November 15th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
I could so see myself adoring and getting a huge kick out of them -- they'd be amusingly arrogant together.

Oh dear. I'm pining for the fic already! :D
Arabian: Rose_Thinkingarabian on November 15th, 2008 08:40 pm (UTC)
Someone's got to. Someone just has GOT to do.

Hmm, you know who writes really good light-hearted fic? Oh, shinyopals. What, she could get inspired! It could happen!
Opal: BT: smiling Roseshinyopals on November 15th, 2008 09:10 pm (UTC)
... I'm going to regret admitting this, but I tentatively have a fic idea. Not a long or serious one, but I have a scene in mind... XD

The problem is, I'm now worrying about whether or not I could write MDoc or River IC, having seen 30 seconds of the former and watched SitL/FotD ALL OF ONCE.

Maybe I am insane... XD
(no subject) - arabian on November 15th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Larissa: Hamlet - oh shiny!larissa_j on November 15th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
Well, RTD did say that he knew what Moffat had planned for S5 and planned to head in that direction with the specials. Maybe this was what he meant?

*snickers*
Arabian: Dr Who (Nine)arabian on November 15th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
Seriously? I literally snickered when I read this. No,s seriously. And now I'm just laughing.

Oh, I love the crack that Rusty brings to this fandom because it allows us to indulge our own crack.
(no subject) - larissa_j on November 15th, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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faith5by5_1013faith5by5_1013 on November 15th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
I love your crack theory! And I can see it working! While I hated River Song, I could imagine her working with Morrissey's Doctor. Especially with RTD writing. And it does make so much sense!

And I don't feel like it interferes with my Doctor/Rose obsession either because Rose? Would be all like, Yeah, who the hell are you and where is the *real* Doctor? to this dude, but based on how River talked and acted about him, this one's right up her alley.

I agree with you completely about that! I could see myself really enjoying that ship. Not on the level of Nine/Rose or Ten/Rose but way more than I ever imagined I could like any Doctor with River Song. Even though I don't think Morrissey's Doctor is really the Doctor.
Arabian: River + Morrisey's Doctorarabian on November 15th, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC)
That is what is SO awesome about this crack theory, as crack-y as Rusty is, and how Who works and with the behind-the-scenes stuffie, it totally COULD work. It could happen and COULD work and would be AWESOME!!!!
(no subject) - faith5by5_1013 on November 15th, 2008 09:28 pm (UTC) (Expand)
sunnytyler001sunnytyler001 on November 15th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
"Yeah, who the hell are you and where is the *real* Doctor?"
Oh hell, yes, totally! Somebody should write a fic about Rose meeting Morrissey!Doctor. That would be made of win!
And yes, you're right. He's just as River described "her" Doctor. Arrogant, snapping his fingers at the tardis... then, Ten did try at the end of the episode... And I sooo wanted Donna to slap him because of it.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - One Heartarabian on November 16th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
Yup, yup, yup all-around.
The Plucky Young Girl: a little bit foxypluckyyounggirl on November 15th, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)
I SAID SO RIGHT AWAY, DIDN'T I?

Morrissey!Doctor <3 River Song = ONE TWU WUV 4EVA.

(Like I said over in my journal, I maintain that River never actually knew Ten - from what I remember of her episodes, that is completely compliant with canon.)
Arabian: River + Morrisey's Doctorarabian on November 16th, 2008 03:11 am (UTC)
Absolutely. It totally, totally works.

- It explains the whole WTFuckery of the River Song arc without messing up the Doctor/Rose love story.

- It explains how River can have met the Doctor if David is gone.

- It explains the cracky-way that River described the Doctor in a way that was wholly unrecognizable to us.

- It doesn't actually contradict any canon.

- The little things CAN be explained away somehow ... like, oh, the Doctor's name I came up with one alternative in your entry: if MDoc says something that makes the Doctor realize he's the one who meets River, so he tells him his name with the punishment of the Oncoming Storm if he tells anyone but this one woman, because if RS doesn't know his name, all of the events -- including saving Donna, the universe, oh and giving Rose and a version of him a happy ever after!!! - wouldn't happen.)

It's brilliant! Oh, come on, Rusty do it!! (Or, erm have done it!!!)
(no subject) - pluckyyounggirl on November 16th, 2008 12:05 pm (UTC) (Expand)
killingfrost87killingfrost87 on November 16th, 2008 12:23 am (UTC)
I am SO in%2Pr
Rolling to the Oceanlittle_aphid on November 16th, 2008 01:42 am (UTC)
This is now my canon, OMG. This is the good kind of crack, and needs to happen, if not in canon, then at least in fic.
Arabian: River + Morrisey's Doctorarabian on November 16th, 2008 03:12 am (UTC)
Definitely in fic at least. It just absolutely fixes SitL/FotD perfectly!! :DDDD
Aislynn: Doctor Who - Rose howlsageless_aislynn on November 16th, 2008 06:09 am (UTC)
Oh, sign me up for this fandom, yeeeee-haw! *starts baking River/MDoc-shaped cookies to bring to the first big fandom meeting*

This is so my canon until they pry it away from my little desperately clinging fingers and even then it'll STILL be my canon! *sticks fingers in ears and la-la-lahs* ;) ♥!
Arabian: Rose_Thinkingarabian on November 16th, 2008 06:33 pm (UTC)
I know, it won't be canon, but I really, really want it to simply because it makes so much sense and makes SitL/FotD so bearable now!
eolivet on November 17th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, sigh...the clip is no longer available. :(

I am SO psyched for this Christmas special, because I adored David Morrissey not only in "Blackpool," but "State of Play." He's got such a presence -- I'm sure you've seen the "Blackpool" clip of he and DT singing "These Boots are Made for Walking." Hilarious!!!

Can't. Wait. :D
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on November 18th, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
Oh, sigh...the clip is no longer available. :(

Oh, that sucks! It was awesome. Hopefully, it will pop up again.

I am SO psyched for this Christmas special, because I adored David Morrissey not only in "Blackpool," but "State of Play." He's got such a presence -- I'm sure you've seen the "Blackpool" clip of he and DT singing "These Boots are Made for Walking." Hilarious!!!

No, I've only seen a few clips and I don't want to watch any more until I sit down and actually watch the whole series. I will one day, I swear. I have it all on my hard drive waiting to watch.

Can't. Wait. :D

I can't either; I do love this show, not just the Doctor/Rose love story. I'll miss it so much! :(
(no subject) - sammie28 on November 20th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Arabian: River + Morrisey's Doctorarabian on November 23rd, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
Just in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a new upload of it and I added it to this thread. Check it out, it's AWESOME!!!
(no subject) - eolivet on November 25th, 2008 05:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on November 28th, 2008 04:38 am (UTC) (Expand)
bubbles234bubbles234 on November 30th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
I don't know why I haven't seen this before :S I love it :D

"Would this totally not be the kind of crack that Rusty would love? You know it is.

He suggested killing off 10 by dropping a radioactive piano on his head, the man would adore this theory. Incedentally, so do I xD

Also, snagging the icon - will credit :D